Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Sir Humphrey on August 17, 2009, 09:01:09 AM
-
President's report: IFBB winning the battle against drugs
Flex, March, 2003 by Dean Brierly
FLEX magazine is proud to reprint in its entirety the annual President's Report, which was delivered by Ben Weider at the IFBB International Congress in Cairo, Egypt, on October 27, 2002.
In last year's report, I delivered a loud and clear message: Cheating, by using steroids and other drugs, is unacceptable in the IFBB and will not be tolerated. I am proud to report that we continue to make groundbreaking strides in that area. In response to recent policy changes by the International Olympic Committee and World Anti-Doping Agency, we have thoroughly updated the IFBB Doping Control Policy and Anti-Doping Program. This move to match the IOC's aggressive position will help ensure a level playing field for the vast majority of our bodybuilding athletes who practice sportsmanship and would never consider using drugs to gain an advantage.
And when I say a vast majority of the athletes competing under the IFBB umbrella are drug-free, that is not a notion, that is fact. Over the past five years [1996-2001], the number of positive test results at IFBB drug-tested contests has decreased 86%. That incredible decrease is testimony to the unwavering vigilance of the national federations and the commitments of our leaders, who strictly enforce our zero-tolerance policy against doping.
Continue reading at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_21/ai_98542724/ (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_21/ai_98542724/)
(Emphasis added)
****************************************************************************
Dear Bob,
The fans want to know: is the IFBB still winning the battle against drugs? Are the vast majority of the athletes competing under the IFBB umbrella still drug-free?
As athletes' rep, we hope you can set our mind at ease on this important matter. :P
-
Winning?
Zero tolerance policy?
hahahahahahahaha
-
r
-
........................ .....oh mercy me :-X :-X
-
Ben Weider is dead. The IFBB doesn't care about drugs anymore so this statement by Ben belongs in the trash can, it's no longer IFBB policy. Right Bob? :D
-
utterly stupid
-
Oh my does it get any funnier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
r
wow...this picture makes me happy I've never did the juice....All them drugs he took and his arms in that pic aren't any better than mine....
-
"IFBB winning the battle against drugs"
So is America.
Thanks, Obama!
-
"IFBB winning the battle against drugs"
So is America.
Thanks, Obama!
as long as it doesnt affect the 2010 incarnation of "muscle mansion", it has no foreseeable bearing on you................right tre?
-
Maybe his idea of winning is a bit different.
-
In a way though it could be true. Since the IFBB tests for diuretics mostly and not steroids. And you can't test for GH right? So, yes maybe they are winning the battle they see. What a bunch of fucking morons.
-
Ben Weider is dead. The IFBB doesn't care about drugs anymore so this statement by Ben belongs in the trash can, it's no longer IFBB policy. Right Bob? :D
anymore? they didn't care back then. They could have had truly drug free contests at any time if they wanted.
Right Bob? ? the article is about the amateur IFBB. Athletes for all international amateur contests in the IFBB are still suppose to be 3 years drug free. No one in the IFBB believes they are.
-
anymore? they didn't care back then. They could have had truly drug free contests at any time if they wanted.
Right Bob? ? the article is about the amateur IFBB. Athletes for all international amateur contests in the IFBB are still suppose to be 3 years drug free. No one in the IFBB believes they are.
only in Fairytales the constitution
-
anymore? they didn't care back then. They could have had truly drug free contests at any time if they wanted.
Right Bob? ? the article is about the amateur IFBB. Athletes for all international amateur contests in the IFBB are still suppose to be 3 years drug free. No one in the IFBB believes they are.
On paper they care. If any official is asked about drugs by mainstream media they certainly care. They care about the drugs even in the pro division. They are a scourge. Officially.
But in reality no one cares. It's all bullshit and window dressing.
But why not test? Bob thinks bodybuilding would be just as popular without the drugs.
-
anymore? they didn't care back then. They could have had truly drug free contests at any time if they wanted.
Right Bob? ? the article is about the amateur IFBB. Athletes for all international amateur contests in the IFBB are still suppose to be 3 years drug free. No one in the IFBB believes they are.
Why are you asking me? I couldn't care less what they do in the IFBB amateur
-
Why are you asking me? I couldn't care less what they do in the IFBB amateur
you're either quoting wrong, or reading wrong.
-
you're either quoting wrong, or reading wrong.
Unless you were referring to another Bob, why did you bring me up?
-
chick and timfogarty about to disagree on a major point. This is gonna get ugly!
-
Unless you were referring to another Bob, why did you bring me up?
I didn't, Van_Bilderass did. I was responding to his posting, basically making your point, that the article was about amateur IFBB, which with you have nothing to do.
-
Bwahahahaha.
Biggest load of horseshit ever.
PS... I think steroids are fine, but this is a straight up lie.
-
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/bodybuilding-discussion/11429d1194786662-phil-heath-heath1.jpg)
crazy 4 yr gains naturally. bbing 2 the real Olympia cs
-
I didn't, Van_Bilderass did. I was responding to his posting, basically making your point, that the article was about amateur IFBB, which with you have nothing to do.
Ahhh..gotcha.
Yes, to all concerned...this is intended for AMATEUR BB, not the IFBB Pro League
-
Ahhh..gotcha.
Yes, to all concerned...this is intended for AMATEUR BB, not the IFBB Pro League
so the IFBB allows the use of steroids and other drugs in the IFBB Pro League?
-
so the IFBB allows the use of steroids and other drugs in the IFBB Pro League?
The IFBB reserves the right to drug test, so far, no test has been given in 2009
-
The IFBB reserves the right to drug test, so far, no test has been given in 2009
Thanks for answering, Bob. I hope the IFBB continues to win its war against drugs and that the majority of its athletes stay drug-free as Mr. Weider intended. :P
-
PED!!!
-
They cant drug test ANY pro show!!! Not one athlete would pass.Who is a natural pro???? There might be a dozen but they are all 130-140lb guys who turned pro at Nationals, yet have no use for the IFBB pro card.Even at The 202lb class the lightweights would get smashed, lol.The 202 lb weight class is 210lb guys who are totally depleted, and use diuretics, then carb back up to 210 lbs by the time they hit the stage.Why do you think David Henry was off at the NY Pro.He filled up to much and spilled over.
The 22lb class is actually more like 210lbs class, lol.Just like fighters, when they step in the ring they are always 10-12 lbs heavier.
-
The IFBB reserves the right to drug test, so far, no test has been given in 2009
Can you imagine the IFBB Drug testers (do they exsist?) turning up at a pro show.It would be a similar scene to that national show in Belgium the other month when they had to close it down because all the Bodybuilders ran like fuck out of the door.
The rush to get out from backstage from the O if the testers turned up would be like the start of the New York marathon. :D
-
Why are you asking me? I couldn't care less what they do in the IFBB amateur
WOW...couldn't care less - you say?
It is IFBB - you know...Our Federation...and all of us were at one point amateurs...so IF you could care less WTF are you still in position of the athletes rep?
These same people you could care less for right now - will sooner or later be professionals...Oh, I see...you could care less about status of the athlete - amateur or professional...you are just in position to do what you are told...
What a shame...
-
Ahhh..gotcha.
Yes, to all concerned...this is intended for AMATEUR BB, not the IFBB Pro League
Oh, yeah, like every competitor in the NPC isn't a juice-monkey. ::)
Ben was either deluded or a bold-face liar. My money is on the latter, since he'd have to be utterly stupid to not realize bodybuilding does not exist without gear.
That said, I'm going to go inject some test cyp. :D
-
Oh, yeah, like every competitor in the NPC isn't a juice-monkey. ::)
Ben was either deluded or a bold-face liar. My money is on the latter, since he'd have to be utterly stupid to not realize bodybuilding does not exist without gear.
That said, I'm going to go inject some test cyp. :D
For all your hatred of Men In Thongs: (I.E. Bodybuilders).. You sure act like one... :D.
-
For all your hatred of Men In Thongs: (I.E. Bodybuilders).. You sure act like one... :D.
You'll never catch me in a thong... I'm just smart enough to realize if you're over 30 and want a good physique without killing yourself, nature needs a little help.
-
You'll never catch me in a thong... I'm just smart enough to realize if you're over 30 and want a good physique without killing yourself, nature needs a little help.
Are you saying that you are following in the footsteps of our great fearless leder, (the mighty RON), and you are *gasp* lazy? :-[
M!
-
WOW...couldn't care less - you say?
It is IFBB - you know...Our Federation...and all of us were at one point amateurs...so IF you could care less WTF are you still in position of the athletes rep?
These same people you could care less for right now - will sooner or later be professionals...Oh, I see...you could care less about status of the athlete - amateur or professional...you are just in position to do what you are told...
What a shame...
WoW... Milos hit it out of the park with that one.good post.
-
Are you saying that you are following in the footsteps of our great fearless leder, (the mighty RON), and you are *gasp* lazy? :-[
M!
Not at all. I lift 4x/wk, and do my cardio, but beyond a certain age you won't get the same results without some amount of gear.
-
Not at all. I lift 4x/wk, and do my cardio, but beyond a certain age you won't get the same results without some amount of gear.
Hmm...so what are your rough stats right now...height, weight, bodyfat percentage, etc?
-
WOW...couldn't care less - you say?
It is IFBB - you know...Our Federation...and all of us were at one point amateurs...so IF you could care less WTF are you still in position of the athletes rep?
These same people you could care less for right now - will sooner or later be professionals...Oh, I see...you could care less about status of the athlete - amateur or professional...you are just in position to do what you are told...
What a shame...
First, It's not "our" federation, as last I checked YOU werent a part of it...
We all were amateurs, but here in the USA, you're a part of the NPC, not the IFBB amateur as you were...so I'm sure you hold a special place in your heart for them, as I do the NPC....
Many of these athletes will NOT be professionals sooner, or later...thats just the way it goes
No, I dont care about their status...until they get to the pro league...thats when they fall under my jurisdiction and my efforts effect them directly.
The rest of your drivel is just that....useless drivel. Since you insist on trying to convince everyone that I simply do what I'm told...why dont you bring it up to Manion?...you know, the guy you claim to be replacing? The guy whos job you say youll be taking?
-
WOW...couldn't care less - you say?
It is IFBB - you know...Our Federation...and all of us were at one point amateurs...so IF you could care less WTF are you still in position of the athletes rep?
These same people you could care less for right now - will sooner or later be professionals...Oh, I see...you could care less about status of the athlete - amateur or professional...you are just in position to do what you are told...
What a shame...
Doesn't Chic hold the record for being an amatuer the longest till finally becoming a pro. What was it like 16 years.
-
Almost as dumb as Bush's MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
-
Thank goodness for honest IFBB officials like Bob Chick who strive and struggle to keep steroid users and cheaters out of the pro ranks. :P
-
The IFBB reserves the right to drug test, so far, no test has been given in 2009
There has been none this century. CHic post the list of drugs the IFBB tests for.
-
They cant drug test ANY pro show!!! Not one athlete would pass.Who is a natural pro???? There might be a dozen but they are all 130-140lb guys who turned pro at Nationals, yet have no use for the IFBB pro card.Even at The 202lb class the lightweights would get smashed, lol.The 202 lb weight class is 210lb guys who are totally depleted, and use diuretics, then carb back up to 210 lbs by the time they hit the stage.Why do you think David Henry was off at the NY Pro.He filled up to much and spilled over.
The 22lb class is actually more like 210lbs class, lol.Just like fighters, when they step in the ring they are always 10-12 lbs heavier.
do you think its only 10-12? i know guys for powerlifting that drop almost 30, then go back up that and some. Dont know how this would transfer to bodybuilding though.
-
do you think its only 10-12? i know guys for powerlifting that drop almost 30, then go back up that and some. Dont know how this would transfer to bodybuilding though.
Powerlifters take out diuretics to piss out water? Why do they need that? I believe that 10-12 lbs is mostly water and fluids.
-
Its the biggest joke i ever heard.
P.S. I hate to say but The mad crazy Milos is light this time.
-
Milos--when you take over Manion's job, what will be your first order of business?
-
We all were amateurs, but here in the USA, you're a part of the NPC, not the IFBB amateur as you were...
throughout the world, athletes belong to their country's chapter of the IFBB. The NPC is the USA's IFBB chapter. By your logic, the IFBB has no individual amateur members.
-
throughout the world, athletes belong to their country's chapter of the IFBB. The NPC is the USA's IFBB chapter. By your logic, the IFBB has no individual amateur members.
BY my logic....if you compete in the amateurs here in the US...you're a mamber of the NPC, as the IFBB amateur doesn't put on amateur shows here (with the exception of the ASC amateur, in which the US athletes are STILL a part of the NPC, not IFBB amateur)
-
so the IFBB allows the use of steroids and other drugs in the IFBB Pro League?
The IFBB reserves the right to drug test, so far, no test has been given in 2009
The IFBB Pro rules are very clear concerning the use of banned substances and methods:
Rule 1 – Introduction
1.3 Code of Ethics:
The Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules, is a set of
beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all
Members, be they Athletes, Judges or Officials, should strive to conduct
themselves as Members of the Pro League.
APPENDIX 1
CODE OF ETHICS
Athletes:
We, the Pro League Athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good
name of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and realizing the
responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
15. To oppose the use of banned substances and methods.
Rule 3 – Athlete Participation Procedures
3.5 Conditions:
All competitors must agree to the following conditions and must accept that the
failure to abide by them may result in disciplinary action in accordance with the
Pro Rules:
4. To abide by the Pro Rules in the conduct of the competition.
Rule 6 – Medical
6.1 General:
The Pro League advocates a clean, healthy and fit lifestyle, with regular exercise
and proper nutrition. The Pro League encourages its members to engage in
health-promoting activities and not to engage in practices which may endanger
their health.
6.3 Medical Committee:
The Medical Committee has authority over medical issues, to include drug
testing matters. The committee will assist its Members with any questions they
may have regarding issues of a medical or drug testing nature. The Pro League
regularly provides relevant information on health, nutrition, training and doping
control. :D
Rule 8 – Drug Testing
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Rule 9 – Discipline
9.1 General:
Athletes, Judges, and Officials join the Pro League of their own free will and, in
so doing, agree to abide by the Pro Rules.
9.10 Code of Ethics:
Disciplinary action may be taken against any Member who contravenes the Code
of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules. ( Notice the use of 'may be' :D )
-
The IFBB Pro rules are very clear concerning the use of banned substances and methods:
Rule 1 – Introduction
1.3 Code of Ethics:
The Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules, is a set of
beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all
Members, be they Athletes, Judges or Officials, should strive to conduct
themselves as Members of the Pro League.
APPENDIX 1
CODE OF ETHICS
Athletes:
We, the Pro League Athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good
name of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and realizing the
responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
15. To oppose the use of banned substances and methods.
Rule 3 – Athlete Participation Procedures
3.5 Conditions:
All competitors must agree to the following conditions and must accept that the
failure to abide by them may result in disciplinary action in accordance with the
Pro Rules:
4. To abide by the Pro Rules in the conduct of the competition.
Rule 6 – Medical
6.1 General:
The Pro League advocates a clean, healthy and fit lifestyle, with regular exercise
and proper nutrition. The Pro League encourages its members to engage in
health-promoting activities and not to engage in practices which may endanger
their health.
6.3 Medical Committee:
The Medical Committee has authority over medical issues, to include drug
testing matters. The committee will assist its Members with any questions they
may have regarding issues of a medical or drug testing nature. The Pro League
regularly provides relevant information on health, nutrition, training and doping
control. :D
Rule 8 – Drug Testing
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
Rule 9 – Discipline
9.1 General:
Athletes, Judges, and Officials join the Pro League of their own free will and, in
so doing, agree to abide by the Pro Rules.
9.10 Code of Ethics:
Disciplinary action may be taken against any Member who contravenes the Code
of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules. ( Notice the use of 'may be' :D )
You do realize that what you posted is from the code of ethics, right?
-
You do realize that what you posted is from the code of ethics, right?
You do realize that you have to read the whole segment and that the code of ethics is an integral part of the IFBB Pro Rules ?
-
You do realize that what you posted is from the code of ethics, right?
are you saying its ok to ignore ethics?
-
They are BELIEFS and SUGGESTIONS, that may or may not be shared by those competing...
Whats your point?
-
are you saying its ok to ignore ethics?
I'm saying they're debatable....which is why they are seperated from the rules.
-
They are BELIEFS and SUGGESTIONS, that may or may not be shared by those competing...
Whats your point?
I quoted the exact rules from the IFBB Pro Rules including the Code of Ethics which is an integral part of the IFBB Pro Rules.
What exactly is your position in the IFBB and to which rules do you have to answer ? The Rules speak about Athletes, Officials and Judges, where do you come in ?
-
I quoted the exact rules from the IFBB Pro Rules including the Code of Ethics which is an integral part of the IFBB Pro Rules.
What exactly is your position in the IFBB and to which rules do you have to answer ? The Rules speak about Athletes, Officials and Judges, where do you come in ?
Sill looking for your point of posting this?
-
Sill looking for your point of posting this?
This is a messageboard, please answer the question Chic.
-
This is a messageboard, please answer the question Chic.
So, your position is that because its a message board, that you decided to post the code of ethics and the IFBB stance on drugs?
To answer your question, my position is that of IFBB athletes representative
-
So, your position is that because its a message board, that you decided to post the code of ethics and the IFBB stance on drugs?
To answer your question, my position is that of IFBB athletes representative
Your position of IFBB athletes representative is clear, however the IFBB Pro Rules mention 3 different identities to which the rules apply to: Athletes, Officials and Judges.
What identity are you part of ?
And to answer your first question reread my first reply and the posts I quoted.
-
Your position of IFBB athletes representative is clear, however the IFBB Pro Rules mention 3 different identities to which the rules apply to: Athletes, Officials and Judges.
What identity are you part of ?
And to answer your first question reread my first reply and the posts I quoted.
Your first post references what the IFBB stance is, and my reply which was that there hasn't been any test given in 2009.....you, had no stance or point other than posting the code of ethics....which is why I asked wht your point was....and still cant get a response
I'm obviously one of the athletes, as I'm not an official or judge
-
Your first post references what the IFBB stance is, and my reply which was that there hasn't been any test given in 2009.....you, had no stance or point other than posting the code of ethics....which is why I asked wht your point was....and still cant get a response
I'm obviously one of the athletes, as I'm not an official or judge
Here's what happened;
Tom Joad askes a question about the IFBB's drug policy
so the IFBB allows the use of steroids and other drugs in the IFBB Pro League?
As usual you avoid the subject and start spouting irrelevant information
The IFBB reserves the right to drug test, so far, no test has been given in 2009
I decide to post the IFBB Pro Rules and a small part of the Code of Ethics to clarify the stance of the IFBB Pro League.
And then you start self owning yourself as usual by answering questions with questions.
-
Are you stoned?
-
Your first post references what the IFBB stance is, and my reply which was that there hasn't been any test given in 2009.....you, had no stance or point other than posting the code of ethics....which is why I asked wht your point was....and still cant get a response
I'm obviously one of the athletes, as I'm not an official or judge
We'll need to check with Milos he will give us the truth I'm sure
-
They are BELIEFS and SUGGESTIONS, that may or may not be shared by those competing...
Whats your point?
Um...NO. They are EXPECTATIONS and VALUES. Since you have no INTEGRITY I dont expect you to understand this.
-
Um...NO. They are EXPECTATIONS and VALUES. Since you have no INTEGRITY I dont expect you to understand this.
Let me correct you, he's a retard with no integrity.
From the IFBB Pro Rules, I highlighted the interesting bits
Rule 1 – Introduction
1.3 Code of Ethics:
The Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules, is a set of
beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all
Members, be they Athletes, Judges or Officials, should strive to conduct
themselves as Members of the Pro League.
APPENDIX 1
CODE OF ETHICS
Athletes:
We, the Pro League Athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good
name of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and realizing the
responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
1. To fulfill our responsibility to society, to other Athletes, Judges and
Officials of the Pro League.
2. To honour, dignify, and support the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure
by competing in the best condition and to the best of our ability, and by
being in top shape when giving an exhibition or a seminar.
3. To respect our opponents on equal terms in the spirit of friendly rivalry and
good sportsmanship.
4. To respect the Constitution and Pro Rules as well as the rules of
competition and to observe them honestly in cooperation with other
Athletes, Judges and Officials.
5. To accept the decisions of the Judges and Officials in the spirit of good
sportsmanship without descending to selfish recriminations, realizing that
these decisions have been made honestly, fairly, and objectively.
6. To assist the Pro League in the promotion of bodybuilding, fitness and
figure by acting as a goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport
in a positive manner, and protecting the good image and integrity of the
sport and the Pro League.
7. To work for the Pro League, not against it, in promoting its values, morals
and ethics.
8. To exercise our right of protest in a courteous, respectful manner, following
the proper chain of command.
9. To refrain from malicious gossip and rumour-mongering.
10. To refrain from personal attacks against the Pro League or any Member of
the Pro League, or against the IFBB or any member of the IFBB.
11. To continue striving for bodily perfection and correct moral principles.
12. To honour the special trust conferred upon us by our participation in, and by
our representation of, the Pro League and our country, at international
events, and to adhere to the standards of personal conduct expected of us.
13. To recognize the value of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and to promote
its future by serving as an example to inspire other people to participate.
14. To cooperate with our Officials in the development of high standards, both
moral and physical, for the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and in
the progressive furtherance of the objects of the Pro League.
15. To oppose the use of banned substances and methods.
16. To refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial.
17. To conduct ourselves at all times in a manner that reflects positively upon
the image of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and the Pro
League and IFBB.
And here are Chic's views on the Code of Ethics, integral part of the IFBB Pro Rules
They are BELIEFS and SUGGESTIONS, that may or may not be shared by those competing...
-
Thank you for the correction...they are in fact far more then just Expectations and Values, (though those terms fit as well), they are AN INTREGAL PART OF THE RULES!
What say you Chick?
M!
-
Thank you for the correction...they are in fact far more then just Expectations and Values, (though those terms fit as well), they are AN INTREGAL PART OF THE RULES!
What say you Chick?
M!
Bob: "rules is rules! >:(" (unless, of course, a particular rule is arbitrarily ignored by the powers-that-be, in which case that's a-ok with Bob!)
-
Bob: "rules is rules! >:(" (unless, of course, a particular rule is arbitrarily ignored by the powers-that-be, in which case that's a-ok with Bob!)
Remember Goat...Bob is not a liar...he is merely a hypocrite. :D
M!
-
Bob: "rules is rules! >:(" (unless, of course, a particular rule is arbitrarily ignored by the powers-that-be, in which case that's a-ok with Bob!)
Bob = Puppet
-
Thank you for the correction...they are in fact far more then just Expectations and Values, (though those terms fit as well), they are AN INTREGAL PART OF THE RULES!
What say you Chick?
M!
I say the onus is on the federation to enforce them...as I stated with my original response in the thread.
Call them whatever you wish....semantics don't change the facts
-
"IFBB winning the battle against drugs"
So is America.
Thanks, Obama!
Hey that's my prez man :'( and when you say that it aint fair man :'( :'(
-
Bob Chick is a major stalwart in the IFBB's ongoing war against drugs and illegal hormones. He has led many efforts to encourage his fellow IFBB pros to maintain their natural, drug-free status. :P
-
Bob Chick is a major stalwart in the IFBB's ongoing war against drugs and illegal hormones. He has led many efforts to encourage his fellow IFBB pros to maintain their natural, drug-free status. :P
When the athletes start complaining that they're not being tested, I'll be sure to address the issue on their behalf
-
Ethic # 18
Let me correct you, he's a retard with no integrity.
From the IFBB Pro Rules, I highlighted the interesting bits
Rule 1 – Introduction
1.3 Code of Ethics:
The Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules, is a set of
beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all
Members, be they Athletes, Judges or Officials, should strive to conduct
themselves as Members of the Pro League.
APPENDIX 1
CODE OF ETHICS
Athletes:
We, the Pro League Athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good
name of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and realizing the
responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
1. To fulfill our responsibility to society, to other Athletes, Judges and
Officials of the Pro League.
2. To honour, dignify, and support the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure
by competing in the best condition and to the best of our ability, and by
being in top shape when giving an exhibition or a seminar.
3. To respect our opponents on equal terms in the spirit of friendly rivalry and
good sportsmanship.
4. To respect the Constitution and Pro Rules as well as the rules of
competition and to observe them honestly in cooperation with other
Athletes, Judges and Officials.
5. To accept the decisions of the Judges and Officials in the spirit of good
sportsmanship without descending to selfish recriminations, realizing that
these decisions have been made honestly, fairly, and objectively.
6. To assist the Pro League in the promotion of bodybuilding, fitness and
figure by acting as a goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport
in a positive manner, and protecting the good image and integrity of the
sport and the Pro League.
7. To work for the Pro League, not against it, in promoting its values, morals
and ethics.
8. To exercise our right of protest in a courteous, respectful manner, following
the proper chain of command.
9. To refrain from malicious gossip and rumour-mongering.
10. To refrain from personal attacks against the Pro League or any Member of
the Pro League, or against the IFBB or any member of the IFBB.
11. To continue striving for bodily perfection and correct moral principles.
12. To honour the special trust conferred upon us by our participation in, and by
our representation of, the Pro League and our country, at international
events, and to adhere to the standards of personal conduct expected of us.
13. To recognize the value of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and to promote
its future by serving as an example to inspire other people to participate.
14. To cooperate with our Officials in the development of high standards, both
moral and physical, for the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and in
the progressive furtherance of the objects of the Pro League.
15. To oppose the use of banned substances and methods.
16. To refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial.
17. To conduct ourselves at all times in a manner that reflects positively upon
the image of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and the Pro
League and IFBB.
And here are Chic's views on the Code of Ethics, integral part of the IFBB Pro Rules
Code #18. Ignore Code of Ethics #1 thru 17. do what you want (i.e. take drugs, kill people, fuck fruit, etc) As long as you as an IFBB member pays their dues on time. Do not expect anything in return except a good time when you visit the front office
-
When the athletes start complaining that they're not being tested, I'll be sure to address the issue on their behalf
LMFAO :D
-
While I agree that the IFBB stance on drugs is hypocritical, you can't expect Bob to do anything about it. Think of Bob as the head of the players' union in the MLB. Would you expect the players' union to petition Bud Selig to get tougher with steriod testing? No, because their job is to represent the athletes.
-
After Haney looked like Kareem in 1990, the IFBB will never drug test the Olympia again.
-
While I agree that the IFBB stance on drugs is hypocritical, you can't expect Bob to do anything about it. Think of Bob as the head of the players' union in the MLB. Would you expect the players' union to petition Bud Selig to get tougher with steriod testing? No, because their job is to represent the athletes.
Exactly.
-
When the athletes start complaining that they're not being tested, I'll be sure to address the issue on their behalf
:P
Good one!
-
They cant drug test ANY pro show!!! Not one athlete would pass.Who is a natural pro????
better yet whos a NATURAL amateur IFBB Pro champ?
I dont see any giving the RIGHT example on the cover of FLEX or in adds selling supps telling "you can do it NATURALLY too"...
What a Joke that IFBB LEAGUE is sounds more fake than the Justice league...and Bob given his way of thinking on the matter.....perfect tool for the job.
-
While I agree that the IFBB stance on drugs is hypocritical, you can't expect Bob to do anything about it. Think of Bob as the head of the players' union in the MLB. Would you expect the players' union to petition Bud Selig to get tougher with steriod testing? No, because their job is to represent the athletes.
Dont go there ball players are getting caught and being punished.
-
better yet whos a NATURAL amateur IFBB Pro champ?
I dont see any giving the RIGHT example on the cover of FLEX or in adds selling supps tellig you can do it NATURALLY too...
What a Joke that IFBB LEAGUE is sounds more fake than the Justice league...and Bob given his way of thinking on the matter.....perfect tool for the job.
So, you figure I should lobby AGAINST the athletes and insist they start drug testing??
-
Dont go there ball players are getting caught and being punished.
You missed my point :(
-
Dont go there ball players are getting caught and being punished.
Besides who wants to see Branch on stage looking like Agassi. Thats what drug testing will get ya. Not sat saying Branch ain't natural but ::)
-
So, you figure I should lobby AGAINST the athletes and insist they start drug testing??
Dude, you should never have posted in this thread :(
-
Dude, you should never have posted in this thread :(
why?
-
why?
I've just read through it and it seems you've been put in a really awkward position, almost lose-lose, that's all
-
I've just read through it and it seems you've been put in a really awkward position, almost lose-lose, that's all
Not at all....it's not my job to enforce the IFBB and their position to test/ not test.....it's their choice.
-
Not at all....it's not my job to enforce the IFBB and their position to test/ not test.....it's their choice.
Fair enough, I just thought that it seemed you were sticking up for them but at the same time being left in an awkward position is all
-
Powerlifters take out diuretics to piss out water? Why do they need that? I believe that 10-12 lbs is mostly water and fluids.
Some do use diuretics.
-
So, you figure I should lobby AGAINST the athletes and insist they start drug testing??
No, But If youre going to make a comment about The IFFBB and the drug use at least be honest or just ignore the whole damn topic you Know its a joke any way you look at that pathetic Weider's report ....why try to defend it? and then run away with "Im just in favor of the athletes" BS.
-
No, But If youre going to make a comment about The IFFBB and the drug use at least be honest or just ignore the whole damn topic you Know its a joke any way you look at that pathetic Weider's report ....why try to defend it? and then run away with "Im just in favor of the athletes" BS.
The report is about IFBB AMATEUR....which I have nothing to do with and have made no comments about
I deal only with the PRO league, which I said has the onus on THEIR part to test if they see fit...
What the hell are you talking about?
-
You missed my point :(
I know ...but at least they (MLB) keep saying theyre against Drugs (wich is also BS) however to their favor you see heads falling when someone test positive.
IFBB is against drugs? really? show me the Consequences "examples".
-
Some do use diuretics.
Why do powerlifters use diuretics? Do they need striated glutes as well? :P
-
The report is about IFBB AMATEUR....which I have nothing to do with and have made no comments about
I deal only with the PRO league, which I said has the onus on THEIR part to test if they see fit...
What the hell are you talking about?
Okay one is winning the drug battle (in the IFBB amateur league)
While the other has been working for dacades to get bodybuilding in to the Olympics ....
In your opinion not as an athlete rep but as an Individual capable of emitting a judgment wich one is more delusional ?
-
Not at all....it's not my job to enforce the IFBB and their position to test/ not test.....it's their choice.
Is not our job either, yet we can recognize BS when we see it.
-
Is not our job either, yet we can recognize BS when we see it.
And what BS is that?
What is it you're looking for?
-
And what BS is that?
What is it you're looking for?
This:
President's report: IFBB winning the battle against drugs
Flex, March, 2003 by Dean Brierly
FLEX magazine is proud to reprint in its entirety the annual President's Report, which was delivered by Ben Weider at the IFBB International Congress in Cairo, Egypt, on October 27, 2002.
In last year's report, I delivered a loud and clear message: Cheating, by using steroids and other drugs, is unacceptable in the IFBB and will not be tolerated. I am proud to report that we continue to make groundbreaking strides in that area. In response to recent policy changes by the International Olympic Committee and World Anti-Doping Agency, we have thoroughly updated the IFBB Doping Control Policy and Anti-Doping Program. This move to match the IOC's aggressive position will help ensure a level playing field for the vast majority of our bodybuilding athletes who practice sportsmanship and would never consider using drugs to gain an advantage.
-
Let me correct you, he's a retard with no integrity.
From the IFBB Pro Rules, I highlighted the interesting bits
Rule 1 – Introduction
1.3 Code of Ethics:
The Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules, is a set of
beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all
Members, be they Athletes, Judges or Officials, should strive to conduct
themselves as Members of the Pro League.
APPENDIX 1
CODE OF ETHICS
Athletes:
We, the Pro League Athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good
name of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and realizing the
responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
1. To fulfill our responsibility to society, to other Athletes, Judges and
Officials of the Pro League.
2. To honour, dignify, and support the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure
by competing in the best condition and to the best of our ability, and by
being in top shape when giving an exhibition or a seminar.
3. To respect our opponents on equal terms in the spirit of friendly rivalry and
good sportsmanship.
4. To respect the Constitution and Pro Rules as well as the rules of
competition and to observe them honestly in cooperation with other
Athletes, Judges and Officials.
5. To accept the decisions of the Judges and Officials in the spirit of good
sportsmanship without descending to selfish recriminations, realizing that
these decisions have been made honestly, fairly, and objectively.
6. To assist the Pro League in the promotion of bodybuilding, fitness and
figure by acting as a goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport
in a positive manner, and protecting the good image and integrity of the
sport and the Pro League.
7. To work for the Pro League, not against it, in promoting its values, morals
and ethics.
8. To exercise our right of protest in a courteous, respectful manner, following
the proper chain of command.
9. To refrain from malicious gossip and rumour-mongering.
10. To refrain from personal attacks against the Pro League or any Member of
the Pro League, or against the IFBB or any member of the IFBB.
11. To continue striving for bodily perfection and correct moral principles.
12. To honour the special trust conferred upon us by our participation in, and by
our representation of, the Pro League and our country, at international
events, and to adhere to the standards of personal conduct expected of us.
13. To recognize the value of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and to promote
its future by serving as an example to inspire other people to participate.
14. To cooperate with our Officials in the development of high standards, both
moral and physical, for the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and in
the progressive furtherance of the objects of the Pro League.
15. To oppose the use of banned substances and methods.
16. To refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial.
17. To conduct ourselves at all times in a manner that reflects positively upon
the image of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and the Pro
League and IFBB.
And here are Chic's views on the Code of Ethics, integral part of the IFBB Pro Rules
SOUNDS good
-
This:
Again...I'm at a loss.
The IFBB amateur has reported that they are making strides to mirror the testing of the IOC, etc.....so whats your point?
-
While I agree that the IFBB stance on drugs is hypocritical, you can't expect Bob to do anything about it. Think of Bob as the head of the players' union in the MLB. Would you expect the players' union to petition Bud Selig to get tougher with steriod testing? No, because their job is to represent the athletes.
However Chick doesn't represent the athletes, he chodles union balls.
-
Can you imagine the IFBB Drug testers (do they exsist?) turning up at a pro show.It would be a similar scene to that national show in Belgium the other month when they had to close it down because all the Bodybuilders ran like fuck out of the door.
The rush to get out from backstage from the O if the testers turned up would be like the start of the New York marathon. :D
Not far from that, vice president Joe Biden said he would take down any activity steroid related that can mislead our youth one by one...
Imagine the night of the Mr.O all bbers running away from the back door and Bob with his flamboyan shirt leading the pack running for his life when someone screams The FEDS !!!!
-
Again...I'm at a loss.
The IFBB amateur has reported that they are making strides to mirror the testing of the IOC, etc.....so whats your point?
My point is that we recognize the BS in such report and you cant.
-
My point is that we recognize the BS in such report and you cant.
I've never made a single comment regarding the amateur fed stance on drugs, testing, etc....so on what basis do you profess to know what I recognize and what I don't?
Do you have any idea of what you're talking about?
-
Do you have any idea of what you're talking about?
The conversation is about what an absolute failure you are as "athletes" rep, get with the program, shorty.
-
I've never made a single comment regarding the amateur fed stance on drugs, testing, etc....so on what basis do you profess to know what I recognize and what I don't?
Do you have any idea of what you're talking about?
This was the very first question to you in this thread:
Dear Bob,
The fans want to know: is the IFBB still winning the battle against drugs? Are the vast majority of the athletes competing under the IFBB umbrella still drug-free?
A simple YES or NO would have saved you a 5 pages long of nonsense.
-
The conversation is about what an absolute failure you are as "athletes" rep, get with the program, shorty.
Bob's view on IFBB pros when they get suspended (usually unfairly): "well, since he has been suspended, he's no longer an IFBB athlete. Since I am only responsible for representing IFBB athetes, he's no longer my problem."
-
A simple YES or NO would have save you a 5 pages long of nonsense.
Agreed...
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
- Matthew 5:37 (KJV)
-
Bob's view on IFBB pros when they get suspended (usually unfairly): "well, since he has been suspended, he's no longer an IFBB athlete. Since I am only responsible for representing IFBB athetes, he's no longer my problem."
QFT
-
Bob would you agree to a random steroid test? Anytime any place? How about a lie detector test regarding lifts in your shoes and hair plugs?
-
Bob's view on IFBB pros when they get suspended (usually unfairly): "well, since he has been suspended, he's no longer an IFBB athlete. Since I am only responsible for representing IFBB athetes, he's no longer my problem."
you can see Bob is really passionate about his job ;D
-
THe report didn't say amateur IFBB, it said IFBB.
so are you still winning the war on drugs?
btw - how much does 1g of test go for these days?
Why are you asking me? I couldn't care less what they do in the IFBB amateur
-
so the IFBB arbirtarily applies its rules?
The IFBB reserves the right to drug test, so far, no test has been given in 2009
-
so you are saying that your federations has no ethics or integrity as they cannot simply follow their own standards?
I say the onus is on the federation to enforce them...as I stated with my original response in the thread.
Call them whatever you wish....semantics don't change the facts
-
no, you should man up (unlikely) and call it like it is. your federation contrdicts itself
So, you figure I should lobby AGAINST the athletes and insist they start drug testing??
-
last I checked We all are felons and anything else
is uselesss drivel
except you being a do as your told felon
-
you can see Bob is really passionate about his job ;D
Bob is passionate about enforcing the late Ben Weider's vision of a drug-free IFBB full of hard-working natural athletes. :P
-
Why are you asking me? I couldn't care less what they do in the IFBB amateur
disingenuous statement on your part
-
Okay one is winning the drug battle (in the IFBB amateur league)
While the other has been working for dacades to get bodybuilding in to the Olympics ....
In your opinion not as an athlete rep but as an Individual capable of emitting a judgment wich one is more delusional ?
Still no answer .........
-
Karu laying the smackdown on Chic!!! It really is sad how ignorant Chic is. His ignorance is heightened with his obvious sidestepping of questions. He is the perfect
stooge man scapegoat sucker puppet lapdog Bodybuilder for the IFBB to use to do this job. No wonder no one else wants his job. No one else could lower themselves so low as to make look so pathetic. I bet somewhere in those hilarious Code of Ethics of the IFBB there is a hidden code that says "you cannot have any dignity or integrity to be part of the IFBB team" Very sad
-
THe report didn't say amateur IFBB, it said IFBB.
"the annual President's Report, which was delivered by Ben Weider at the IFBB International Congress in Cairo, Egypt, on October 27, 2002."
the IFBB International Congress regards only amateur bodybuilding.
btw - how much does 1g of test go for these days?
At CVS Pharmacy, a 10 ml 200 mg/ml bottle of testosterone cypionate goes for $86, so the answer to your question is $43
-
The speech did not state the "amateur" IFBB. It referenced the IFBB.
What is Bob's rate from his dealer? I am confident he could match or beat CVS
"the annual President's Report, which was delivered by Ben Weider at the IFBB International Congress in Cairo, Egypt, on October 27, 2002."
the IFBB International Congress regards only amateur bodybuilding.
At CVS Pharmacy, a 10 ml 200 mg/ml bottle of testosterone cypionate goes for $86, so the answer to your question is $43
-
The speech did not state the "amateur" IFBB. It referenced the IFBB.
What is Bob's rate from his dealer? I am confident he could match or beat CVS
Not our fault you're ignorant to how the IFBB is structured, or what you're reading...
-
Stand tall Bob, don't let these clowns get the best of you.
-
It is neither my fault that you are a pathetic ass kisser who can't see the hypocrisy and inconsistency in the IFBB.
Your existence and livelihood is inextricably linked with kissing Manions ass. What a life.
Not our fault you're ignorant to how the IFBB is structured, or what you're reading...
-
But Chick says nobody cares about drugs and bodybuilding ::)
-
It is neither my fault that you are a pathetic ass kisser who can't see the hypocrisy and inconsistency in the IFBB.
I'm sure he see's it. Its just business.
-
I didn't bother reading this thread... but the thread title is so silly.
-
As Bob pointed out earlier in this thread, the IFBB Amateur organization runs the Arnold Amateur contest, and as the late Mr. Weider said in the speech quoted in the first post, the IFBB has a strict no-nonsense policy against steroids-users and cheaters who want to gain an unfair advantage over their fellow drug-free competitors.
Cheating, by using steroids and other drugs, is unacceptable in the IFBB and will not be tolerated.
the vast majority of our bodybuilding athletes who practice sportsmanship and would never consider using drugs to gain an advantage.
And when I say a vast majority of the athletes competing under the IFBB umbrella are drug-free, that is not a notion, that is fact.
[We] strictly enforce our zero-tolerance policy against doping.
In honour of the IFBB Amateur's valiant and brave efforts to "enforce our zero-tolerance policy against doping," I am posting in this thread these pictures of the male and female bodybuilding champions from the Arnold Amateur, two spectacular drug-free athletes who are strongly committed to the late Mr. Weider's vision.
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_4585.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_4567.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_4577.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_5412.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_5427.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_5414.jpg)