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He seems like he had a lot to lose and not much to gain.
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was for a movie... "the comeback" i think.
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his video "total rebuild" was the one of the most boring videos i have ever seen.
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it was pretty boring.
I wonder if the olympia was before "Conan" was released. Was he second guessing his future in films and he wanted to stay in the body building scene as a backup.
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because he knew the contest was fixed in his favor... :-X :P ;)
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his video "total rebuild" was the one of the most boring videos i have ever seen.
Hell. I must be the only one who really enjoyed it. :-\
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No oneknows for sure, but Frank Zane had won the Olympia in 79 and Arnold was doing the TV coverage/reporting. After Zane won Arnold asked him how it felt to have won the show for a third time in a row and Zane replied" Almost as good as when I beat you at the Universe". Zane said that this humiliated Arnold on national TV and that was his inspiration to compete in 1980.
BTW-the videos.... "The Comeback" was made by the shows promoter-and Arnolds best friend in Austraila Paul Graham. I is a well known fact Arnold was booed off the stage at this show-which is why the show was such a contraversy-and when Paul made the video he cut out the booes and replaced them with laughter. There is actually a guy here on getbig from down under that was at the 80 O, and he really had a lot to say on it-this was a while back though.
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I discussed this ( myself ) with Arnold. He told me that there were several factors which led to his stepping back on stage.
1) Dino DeLarentus ( the movies producer ) mentioned it would be good publicity for the up coming movie.
2) Mike Mentzer's public denouncing of Arnold and his training methods were a major factor. To quote Arnold " Mentzer needs to know his place."
3) The comments Frank made to Bob Beatty on ABC's Wide World of Sports after his 3rd Olympia victory rubbed Arnold the wrong way. It was then decided that Frank needed to be taught a lesson.
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I discussed this ( myself ) with Arnold. He told me that there were several factors which led to his stepping back on stage.
1) Dino DeLarentus ( the movies producer ) mentioned it would be good publicity for the up coming movie.
2) Mike Mentzer's public denouncing of Arnold and his training methods were a major factor. To quote Arnold " Mentzer needs to know his place."
3) The comments Frank made to Bob Beatty on ABC's Wide World of Sports after his 3rd Olympia victory rubbed Arnold the wrong way. It was then decided that Frank needed to be taught a lesson.
We are sure this was straight from Arnold's mouth-I can tell by the way you falsley stated Frank made comments to Bob Beatty-the comment was only one-and it was made to Arnold.
Since Conan debted over 2 years after the 1980 Olympia-there is NO way the publicity could have affected the movie anymore than the 1975 competition could have.
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I discussed this ( myself ) with Arnold. He told me that there were several factors which led to his stepping back on stage.
1) Dino DeLarentus ( the movies producer ) mentioned it would be good publicity for the up coming movie.
2) Mike Mentzer's public denouncing of Arnold and his training methods were a major factor. To quote Arnold " Mentzer needs to know his place."
3) The comments Frank made to Bob Beatty on ABC's Wide World of Sports after his 3rd Olympia victory rubbed Arnold the wrong way. It was then decided that Frank needed to be taught a lesson.
4 he KNEW the fix was in so he only needed to come in looking good enough to do a movie. ;) There is no way Ahnold shoulda won that show.
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619 they all know the damn truth. Mentzer looked superior that day; end of story
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We are sure this was straight from Arnold's mouth-I can tell by the way you falsley stated Frank made comments to Bob Beatty-the comment was only one-and it was made to Arnold.
Since Conan debted over 2 years after the 1980 Olympia-there is NO way the publicity could have affected the movie anymore than the 1975 competition could have.
First of all assclown, I'm talking about Arnold Fewer, my next door neighbor and training partner. And ( hey we all know your old school and the man ) I have a 1 1/14 inch ( first generation ) VCR tape from 1979 of Frank Zane on the Wide World of Sports airing of the 1979 Mr. Olympia contest making the comment. Bob interview Frank all three years the moment he walked through the curtains after his win. I have all three tapes. It was aired in November of that year ( never re-broadcast like the 77 & 78 Olympia ) and is some of the only video out there. Check GMV.
You saying it was made first hand, shows exactly how little we can now trust any " statement of fact " you make. With respect to when the film was released, that means FUUCK ALL, IT'S A FACT!
By the way, this system does have a spell check.
Your out of your league in this area, son.
The Beef Curtain.
And oh yeah if you want the particulars of these statements just PM me so you don't make a fool of yourself on the main board. FUUCKEN DICK!
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I can't fuucken believe that 619 is trying to come across as having first hand knowledge of a comment made between Frank and Arnold. It was aired on television.
You've been busted, you no longer cut ice. BITCH!
THE BEEF CURTAIN
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For publicity and because Arnold was being made out to be the "girly man" that he truly is by Mike Mentzer. Mike Mentzer may have been "put in his place" by the judges but anyone who looks at any video or pics of the 1980 Olympia knows who the REAL winner was.
Mike Mentzer RIP. We love ya buddy.
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He seems like he had a lot to lose and not much to gain.
He wanted to beat Yates.
YIP
Zack
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I can't fuucken believe that 619 is trying to come across as having first hand knowledge of a comment made between Frank and Arnold. It was aired on television.
You've been busted, you no longer cut ice. b***h!
THE BEEF CURTAIN
You are a stupid idiot. The comment Zane made was to ARNOLD-who was covering the 1979 Mr O as a TV color man-did you watch TV or not bozo?
Conan came out in>>> JUNE 1982...JUNE 1982....one more time bozo..JUNE 1982.....so your little fable about competing for movie publicity is just that-a figment of your imagination.
What-do you make this shit up as you go along or what?
You need to stop making up BS and get a clue. You have been busted BoZo-end of story.
Schools in ;D
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First of all assclown, I'm talking about Arnold Fewer, my next door neighbor and training partner. And ( hey we all know your old school and the man ) I have a 1 1/14 inch ( first generation ) VCR tape from 1979 of Frank Zane on the Wide World of Sports airing of the 1979 Mr. Olympia contest making the comment. Bob interview Frank all three years the moment he walked through the curtains after his win. I have all three tapes. It was aired in November of that year ( never re-broadcast like the 77 & 78 Olympia ) and is some of the only video out there. Check GMV.
You saying it was made first hand, shows exactly how little we can now trust any " statement of fact " you make. With respect to when the film was released, that means FUUCK ALL, IT'S A FACT!
By the way, this system does have a spell check.
Your out of your league in this area, son.
The Beef Curtain.
And oh yeah if you want the particulars of these statements just PM me so you don't make a fool of yourself on the main board. FUUCKEN DICK!
Ohhh....you wernt talking about Arnold S, but your next door neighbor( I guess that explains why you are such a bozo).
>>>Bob interview Frank all three years<<<
Bob INTERVIEW FRANK????? WTF....
try proof reading assclown-it is INTERVIEWS>>>S<<<<<see the S there.....did you ever graduate from school? We do have spell check here on Getbig.
Oh Yeah-if you want more schooling just PM me so you don't make an even bigger ass of yourself (as you already have).
What about BS statement of Arnold competing for movie PUBLCITY-schooled you again-funny how you dance around that one-caught in another one of your lies......
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I can remember when the results of the 1980 Mr Olympia where announced on the news on tv. It was more like..............." Arnold Schwarzenegger has won the Mr Olympia title after unexpectingly entering the contest in blah blah blah.........." something like that.
I beleive he did enter to kick Mentzers ass which he did and would have done so with or with out the judges help, Mentzer could never beat Arnold in competition just would never happen, he did not have the genetics to win.
I also beleive he did it for self promotion for movies. I can remember well at this time all the talk of Arnold, this big austrian who was going to take over as the new action star in hollywood. I allready knew of him years before as a bodybuilder, I lived in California.THis win served many purposes for Arnold and was just one more way for him to get more recognition of name for the movies.
He did not need the money or have to "fall" back into compitition to survive. He was a self made millionaire before he was world famous as a movie star. I think he actually owned one half block of buildings in downtown Santa Monica at the time of the Olympia(that alone was worth millions) ;)
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Everyone knows that Boyer Coe should've won.
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Ohhh....you wernt talking about Arnold S, but your next door neighbor( I guess that explains why you are such a bozo).
>>>Bob interview Frank all three years<<<
Bob INTERVIEW FRANK????? WTF....
try proof reading assclown-it is INTERVIEWS>>>S<<<<<see the S there.....did you ever graduate from school? We do have spell check here on Getbig.
Oh Yeah-if you want more schooling just PM me so you don't make an even bigger ass of yourself (as you already have).
What about BS statement of Arnold competing for movie PUBLCITY-schooled you again-funny how you dance around that one-caught in another one of your lies......
Hey dick head, Bob Beatty was the color commentator for ABC's Wide World of Sports for years and did all of their bodybuilding coverage. He's the one in the pic interviewing Arnold after the 70 Mr. World ( I'll post it later for you, son .)
Each year the WWS covered the Olympia ( 77, 78, 79 ) just as Frank came off stage Beatty with Arnold by his side ( on camera ) interviewed Frank about his win. He did so in 79 and the comment was made. I HAVE IT ON TAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With respect to the Arnold reference in my initial post, it was done " in cheek. " It was making sport of those who cling to their 15 min by saying they saw this ( Podda setting fire to himself or I trained with this guy,. etc. ) How the fuuck would I know Schwarzenegger? I don't train with Danny Padilla in Rochester ( right, ~f~)
GROW UP SON AND ADMIT YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED.
THE BEEF CURTAIN.
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Hey dick head, Bob Beatty was the color commentator for ABC's Wide World of Sports for years and did all of their bodybuilding coverage. He's the one in the pic interviewing Arnold after the 70 Mr. World ( I'll post it later for you, son .)
Each year the WWS covered the Olympia ( 77, 78, 79 ) just as Frank came off stage Beatty with Arnold by his side ( on camera ) interviewed Frank about his win. He did so in 79 and the comment was made. I HAVE IT ON TAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With respect to the Arnold reference in my initial post, it was done " in cheek. " It was making sport of those who cling to their 15 min by saying they saw this ( Podda setting fire to himself or I trained with this guy,. etc. ) How the fuuck would I know Schwarzenegger? I don't train with Danny Padilla in Rochester ( right, ~f~)
GROW UP SON AND ADMIT YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED.
THE BEEF CURTAIN.
You have to be the biggest Dick Head idiot on here-really. I owned your sorry ass, but you don't seem to get it do you junior.
Arnold was a commentator for the 1979 O, and Arnold interviewed Zane-I dont give a shit who you have on tape-that is a fact Bozo! You bought some BS tape that might show some things-but if Arnold is not interviewing Zane then it is not the whole package dipshit. But-if you bought the GMV video then you know everything-NOT!
What happened to Arnold entering the O for Conan publicity-you seem to just forget about that on every post after I schooled you there too.
So JUNIOR, listen, I don't have all year to school your stupid ass-maybe you should stop doing things "in cheek"-like your boyfriend does you in your ass cheek JUNIOR.
NOW GROW UP ASSCLOWN/JUNIOR-YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED-AGAIN!
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hahaha, great post ;D
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mentzer had a good body, but come on idiots, his HIT was full o shit and he gay ass was wiped on the floor to prepare the stage for arnie. no one in that era could have touched arnold, except olivia. arnold could beat any bb . hit user: i grew 1/4 of an inch on my arms in 6 months! i grew 6 inches in my first 6 months, and i used arnies 20 set min per bodypart, 3 x a week.
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mentzer had a good body, but come on idiots, his HIT was full o shit and he gay ass was wiped on the floor to prepare the stage for arnie. no one in that era could have touched arnold, except olivia. arnold could beat any bb . hit user: i grew 1/4 of an inch on my arms in 6 months! i grew 6 inches in my first 6 months, and i used arnies 20 set min per bodypart, 3 x a week.
1. HIT is not and was not full of shit- Mentzer body proves it.
2. Mentzer was not gay.
3. Mentzer looked better than Arnold in 1980.
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mentzer isnt even in the same league
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u think mentzer could have been better if he used a few more sets. Listen to his lame ass comments: some bb took piss out of him for training so little: hey mentzer u train like a pussy! so mentzer says : " i need 1 set. it only took one sperm to impregnate ur mother. " mentzer then got his ass kicked.
the only person who even remotely uses his training was Yates, and we all know he used 10 warmup sets, ie he used high volume, not HIT
speak to any real bb, and they willl say the same, unless they full o synthol ,
cutler uses 46 sets!
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Below is what I read a while ago in an interview with Arnold in a 1981 Muscle and Fitness. It isn't word for word.
Arnold entered the 1980 O to teach Mike Mentzer a lesson for publicly dissrespecting his training methods.
When asked about HIT Arnold had always said that different methods work for different people even though he actually felt the way he trained and Oliva before him was the way to a champion physique.
Arnold went into the competition and set about knocking Mentzer down a peg or two. He told Mentzer he lost to zane because he had a fat stomach which infuriated him.
Arnold said that "not once did Mike think about what I was doing to him" "I was seeing how he'd react under pressure" "he blew up so big because he was in front of alot of people, he wouldn't have acted like that if he wasn't"
Arnold also said he wanted to teach Zane a lesson for " I tried to help him but received a slap in the face" (not literally) I can't remember the full story there.
Apparantly Boyer Coe got the wrong end of the stick and thought Arnold wanted to teach him a lesson, so there was some rivalry there also.
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mentzer isnt even in the same league
Dodster-those pics of big Arnold are not from 1980-that is why there is a big bruhaha about the 1980 O-Arnold was wy off top form and MM was at peak condition.
In any event-this debate will never end-so dont post telling me how great Arnold was in 1980.........
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C'mon, while Mike can't touch Arnold's competitive accomplishments, saying Mike isn't in Arnold's league is a stretch.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m53.jpg) (http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/mi67.jpg)
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And IMHO, Mike was the more intelligent looking athlete
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/gallery3/fg68.jpg) (http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m38.jpg)
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And IMHO, Mike was the more intelligent looking athlete
yeah....B.C's really make people look more intelligent
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After the contest, Arnold had this to say to Mike:
(http://www.harwoodperformance.bizland.com/1941buick/NoWhining.jpg)
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For publicity and because Arnold was being made out to be the "girly man" that he truly is by Mike Mentzer. Mike Mentzer may have been "put in his place" by the judges but anyone who looks at any video or pics of the 1980 Olympia knows who the REAL winner was.
Mike Mentzer RIP. We love ya buddy.
I don't remember seeing Mike in the "Comeback" movie. I believe this was intentional. I really wanted to see the difference too.
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I don't remember seeing Mike in the "Comeback" movie. I believe this was intentional. I really wanted to see the difference too.
Yeah-the "Comeback" is a f**king joke. Paul Graham (show promoter) made it a tribute to Arnold-since he was very, very good friends with not only Arnold, but also Franco.
The weird thing about the 1980 show is that Paul Graham was the promoter and not Arnold- Arnold had promoted the 76,77,78 and 79 Olympia with his partner Jim Lorimer (of Columbus Ohio). If Arnold had promoted the show he could not have entered. Arnold also promoted the Pro Universe (now=AKA Arnold S. Classic) a few weeks after the 1980 Olympia, and many of the guys in the 1980 Olympa were going to go into that show-but dropped out after the Austraila mess (except Tom Platz).
After the 1980 Olympia the shows promoters could no longer pick the judges for the show as they had in all previous years (because of the public perception that 1980 had been fixed-real or perceived). The IFBB started picking all the judges starting in 1981 so people could not claim the fix was in (although that rule did not help Franco's reputation in 81...lol..)
Ricky Wayne has some really good information about the 1980 Mr Olympia in his book "Muscle Wars". That will give everyone a good idea of what happened from first hand sources.
BTW, Ricky Wayne had the biggest arms-in relation to height-of any pro BBer in that era......they were huge for a guy 5'6/190 lbs (21 inches).
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mentzer had a good body, but come on idiots, his HIT was full o shit and he gay ass was wiped on the floor to prepare the stage for arnie. no one in that era could have touched arnold, except olivia. arnold could beat any bb . hit user: i grew 1/4 of an inch on my arms in 6 months! i grew 6 inches in my first 6 months, and i used arnies 20 set min per bodypart, 3 x a week.
mentzer HIT was all shit, he doesnt think heaps of warmup set at 50 60 and 70 % of 1 rm count as sets, even yates did like 10 so called warmup sets.
Althought i do beleive there was some merit in the HIT as in that people did not need to train for 3 hours but could get good result from limiting the sets and increaseing intensity but not to the extent of only doing one set.
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mentzer HIT was all shit, he doesnt think heaps of warmup set at 50 60 and 70 % of 1 rm count as sets, even yates did like 10 so called warmup sets.
Althought i do beleive there was some merit in the HIT as in that people did not need to train for 3 hours but could get good result from limiting the sets and increaseing intensity but not to the extent of only doing one set.
You're just an ignorant dude. IŽd like to see your pics with an explanation how you build your incredible physique.
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You have to be the biggest Dick Head idiot on here-really. I owned your sorry ass, but you don't seem to get it do you junior.
Arnold was a commentator for the 1979 O, and Arnold interviewed Zane-I dont give a shit who you have on tape-that is a fact Bozo! You bought some BS tape that might show some things-but if Arnold is not interviewing Zane then it is not the whole package dipshit. But-if you bought the GMV video then you know everything-NOT!
What happened to Arnold entering the O for Conan publicity-you seem to just forget about that on every post after I schooled you there too.
So JUNIOR, listen, I don't have all year to school your stupid ass-maybe you should stop doing things "in cheek"-like your boyfriend does you in your ass cheek JUNIOR.
NOW GROW UP ASSCLOWN/JUNIOR-YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED-AGAIN!
My advice to you pops is to shut your piss flaps.
Arnold was the color man for WWS in Nimes, France for the 77 Universe where KAL beat Mike for the heavyweight crown.
Arnold ALWAYS stood by Bob Beatty ( at least in 77, 78 & 79 ) and it was Bob who was the primary color man and Arnold made selected comments. Arnold promoted the show in 79 assface. Get you facts stright, honey and stop posting while your on the rag, b***h.
With respect to " schooling " me on anything ( let alone Aronld's motives relative the 80 Olympia and the Conan movie ) just sit there on your loose cumhole and wonder what happened to your abs ( if you ever had em, fatboy.) I made no further comment on the 80 OLympia because I did not want to prolong your rape on this board.
And son, if you think Rick ( a great bodybuilder ) ever had 21' arms, your more f**ked than I think you are.
THE BELL HAS RANG AND CLASS IS OUT!
THE BEEF CURTAIN
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No oneknows for sure, but Frank Zane had won the Olympia in 79 and Arnold was doing the TV coverage/reporting. After Zane won Arnold asked him how it felt to have won the show for a third time in a row and Zane replied" Almost as good as when I beat you at the Universe". Zane said that this humiliated Arnold on national TV and that was his inspiration to compete in 1980.
Classic! Ultimate diss! Arnold can take it, we all know he surely can dish it out.
Close second.....
in 1980 Mentzer nearly went ballistic after Arnold told him backstage that the only thing bigger than his belly was his mouth (Muscle Wars by Rick Wayne)
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Just to keep the facts straight in this little arguement but Kal beat Mike in Nimes in 1977,and not 1979.
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C'mon, while Mike can't touch Arnold's competitive accomplishments, saying Mike isn't in Arnold's league is a stretch.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m53.jpg) (http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/mi67.jpg)
posting one Pic next to the other is one thing, put Mike next to Arnold on stage and things change a little bit.
wooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Thanks for pointing out the type-o Crownshep.
Now if the Old School has a vice principle, it you. You know your shit. Have you read this thread and if so, where do you weigh in? On my side or the side of that old fat bald ( incorrect ) looser?
TBC
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Thanks for the compliment Paxil,actually i think both of you are about 95% right.This is scanned from the Oct 81 M+F,an article by Rick Wayne about the 80 Olympia.Sorry about some of the edges being blurred,but its hard to get the spine of the magazine into the scanner without letting a bit of light in.
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You can hardly see the second part,so i`ve scanned it again in smaller portions.
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That looks a little bit better.
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Next parts.
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Last bit of the evidence that i put before you,now let the jury decide. ;D
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Thanks Crownshep thats the article I remember reading.
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My advice to you pops is to shut your piss flaps.
Arnold was the color man for WWS in Nimes, France for the 77 Universe where KAL beat Mike for the heavyweight crown.
Arnold ALWAYS stood by Bob Beatty ( at least in 77, 78 & 79 ) and it was Bob who was the primary color man and Arnold made selected comments. Arnold promoted the show in 79 assface. Get you facts stright, honey and stop posting while your on the rag, b***h.
With respect to " schooling " me on anything ( let alone Aronld's motives relative the 80 Olympia and the Conan movie ) just sit there on your loose cumhole and wonder what happened to your abs ( if you ever had em, fatboy.) I made no further comment on the 80 OLympia because I did not want to prolong your rape on this board.
And son, if you think Rick ( a great bodybuilder ) ever had 21' arms, your more f**ked than I think you are.
THE BELL HAS RANG AND CLASS IS OUT!
THE BEEF CURTAIN
My advice to you Mr Knows nothing-not even jack shit, is to shut your stupid piss flaps.
You have no knowledge of the 1980 mr O, you have bought some GMV tapes of the 1979 O and think b/c you have watched them you know what happened-which as I have pointed out on numerous times already that you have no CLUE-just a dumb ass wanna be.
I guess you are just pissed because I KEEP SCHOOLING YOUR SORRY ASS ALL OVER GETBIG! Schools in again ASSCLOWN.Yeah-the "Comeback" is a f**king joke. Paul Graham (show promoter) made it a tribute to Arnold-since he was very, very good friends with not only Arnold, but also Franco.
The weird thing about the 1980 show is that Paul Graham was the promoter and not Arnold- Arnold had promoted the 76,77,78 and 79 Olympia with his partner Jim Lorimer (of Columbus Ohio).
Lets see, I said Arnold promoted the O in 76,77,78 and 79-so you copy what I said and say I am wrong-what an ASSCLOWN you are-you have to be the stupidest member of GETBIG. You must have air in your head instead of a BRAIN. You are most likely a pencil neck pussie who gets his ass handed to him on a daily basis-just like I am tearing you a new one right now........So once again I have to set the dipshit who knows nothing straight....
SCHOOLS IN AGAIN DICKHEAD ;D
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Oh wait...I almost forgot...donkey dick said that Arnold went into the O to promote CONAN-but Conan did not get released until 2 years later...............righ t assclown...funny how you always seem to leave out the shit I have previously schooled you on.........
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Arnold was the color man for WWS in Nimes, France for the 77 Universe where KAL beat Mike for the heavyweight crown.
THE BEEF guy-MMMM........DOES COCK TASTE GOOD!
OK....here we go again...time to get your ass raped one more time......
Just to keep the facts straight in this little arguement but Kal beat Mike in Nimes in 1977,and not 1979.
The BEFF guy gets schooled yet again..........
Thanks for pointing out the that I am an IDIOT Crownshep.
The BEFF guy
Thats right pussie...you know who's right...and who talks bullshit on here...SCHOOL IS IN!
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Last bit of the evidence that i put before you,now let the jury decide. ;D
Hey BEFF guy..did you read this page.....see in there where ARNOLD said ZANE on television that he felt that winning the 1979 Olympia "was almost as good as beating you [Arnold]".............and that was a reason for entering the 1980 O....wow....looks like I spanked YOUR ASS AGAIN.......ka-ching ;D ;D
Wow, I hate being right all the time.....so ass clown-schools STILL IN!
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Thanks for posting that article crownshep, that is a VERY intertaining read, and illustrates how Arnolds actions at the 80 O were in fact a reaction to others actions of disrespect.
Back then, it sounds like a few people were trying to discredit Arnolds track record, or at least lessen it in some way. That was back before he married a Kennedy, became a Hollywood icon, and went on to become guvnor.
His detractors may have had the ability to question his greatness in 1980, but today those same comments would clearly appear to most as pure jealousy and nothing else. Sounds to me like a lot of men of large physical stature with very fragile egos. Arnold got that observation right as well! 8)
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Hey BEFF guy..did you read this page.....see in there where ARNOLD said ZANE on television that he felt that winning the 1979 Olympia "was almost as good as beating you [Arnold]".............and that was a reason for entering the 1980 O....wow....looks like I spanked YOUR ASS AGAIN.......ka-ching ;D ;D
Wow, I hate being right all the time.....so ass clown-schools STILL IN!
I wonder if you have a picture of your Mother . . . I f**ked most of the whores up and down the west coast, you might want to refresh my memory. I could be your Dad. Short of that do not call me son.
Are you for real? Did you read that article? Can you read that article?
Humpty, listen . . . You did have a few things right, you called me donkey dick and I am in fact hung like a horse. You have Arnolds name spelled correctly ( thank God for spell check.) But, beyond that your wrong.
The 80 Olympia was in the fall and Conan opened in the spring on the year ( was it 82, I don't know.) but the time frame between makes little difference. Just Google it, b***h and read away. Look at the article . . . it confirms when Frank and Arnold had the interview/discussion.
My tape is not GMV. It is the feed ( original ) from WWS. IT IS ON TAPE FOOL. IT IS ON TAPE!
Just admit you missed the boat on this one and break out the excersise ball for some old age streaching.
YOU FAILED MY CLASS
I'M DONE WITH YOU.
TBC
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The 1980 Mr Olympia was controversial. Yes, people booed when Arnold won but perhaps half the audience cheered him. He is very popular in Australia. I was there for both the prejuding and contest and took several hundred photos, some of which have been published in Ironman and other magazines. I sold my negatives to Robert Nailon and he has sent many in to magazines such as Musclemag.
I wrote a story about the contest and judging but no one would publish that story. I finally gave the story to Mike Mentzer when I talked to him in 1991 in Golds Venice. He wouldn't have been impressed by my account. The favourite with most Australian fans was Chris Dickerson. After viewing my images it was clear to me that any of the top guys could have won that day. However, in my opinion, Arnold had an edge because of his superior chest and arms. Besides, he was personal friends with all of the judges. He did write in the Education of a Bodybuilder that he befriends only those who will benefit him in his career or in other ways.
I met Arnold on the victory harbour cruise after the Olympia. Zane, Coe, Mentzer and a few others declined to board the boat. That was a fun time. The day after the contest Arnold came to my gym in Sydney with Franco to be with Franco who was giving a so-called seminar that day.
I had all the judges sheets so know exactly who voted for whom. Perhaps I should rewrite that story and publish it here on Getbig? The main problem resulted from judges awarding too many 20 out of 20 scores during the rounds. The effect was that several men received 20 scores in most rounds. Thus it turned out that only those judges who separated the men actually made a difference. There was a problem because the Australian judge selected couldn't judge because he missed the judges' meeting. I was standing there with Peter McCarthy before the judging and he was unaware that he should have been at the meeting. He was the most respected bodybuilder in Australia in those days and has his vote counted instead of young Brendan Ryan's then Arnold would have come second to Chris Dickerson. I believe Frank was third and Mike fourth. I don't think Mike deserved to win that day.
Gosh, what a lot of interesting theories there are in the minds of bodybuilding fans. Too bad there is so much distortion and misinformation included.
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Did Arnold trick the Australian judge into missing the mandatory meeting? hhmmm.
Please rewrite the story.
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I wonder if you have a picture of your Mother . . . I f**ked most of the whores up and down the west coast, you might want to refresh my memory. I could be your Dad. Short of that do not call me son.
Are you for real? Did you read that article? Can you read that article?
Humpty, listen . . . You did have a few things right, you called me donkey dick and I am in fact hung like a horse. You have Arnolds name spelled correctly ( thank God for spell check.) But, beyond that your wrong.
The 80 Olympia was in the fall and Conan opened in the spring on the year ( was it 82, I don't know.) but the time frame between makes little difference. Just Google it, b***h and read away. Look at the article . . . it confirms when Frank and Arnold had the interview/discussion.
My tape is not GMV. It is the feed ( original ) from WWS. IT IS ON TAPE FOOL. IT IS ON TAPE!
Just admit you missed the boat on this one and break out the excersise ball for some old age streaching.
YOU FAILED MY CLASS
The BEEFCOCKSUCKER is schooled yet AGAIN.......
Beefcocksucker states that the 1980 O was for "publicity" for Conan....yet when it is clearly pointed out to BEEF guy that Conan did not get released until 1982-more than 2 years after the 1980 O, BEFFCOCKSUCKER says that those 2 years do not make a difference.....emmmmm... ...OK.....DIPSHIT....sch ooled again!..........thats like saying I am going to be doing publicity for a show being filmed in 2015, since the time frame does not matter----you are such a dumbfuck.....
For the record, you are a DONKEY DICK because you are as stupid as an ASS, and that is petty hard.......so BEEF guy.....if you read the article Crownshep posted-if you can read- you would see I am right and you are wrong-as usual..... nothing new there.
Now I am done with your schooling for today......
Please, check back in again in a day or two if youi need more instruction-OK guy.
School out.
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Vince, I respectfully disagree with your statement about the audience response. The booing went on for a long time - loud and angry. I didn't hear any cheers. If the audience reaction had been 50/50 surely I would've heard some cheering? I happened to be sitting right next to that camera that appears in so many pictures(just behind Joe Weider) As a gesture of proof - at Franco's seminar he got an Aussie bb to come out the front and then did some chiropractic magic on his back. Franco said 'no cameras'. Remember? My friend had his movie camera and got some shots with Franco's head missing. Just an aside but that same camera man is in Larry Scott's Loaded Guns photo taken in your gym. Woulda been in it too but decided to go home early(Newcastle boys.....now old men)
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Vince, I respectfully disagree with your statement about the audience response. The booing went on for a long time - loud and angry. I didn't hear any cheers. If the audience reaction had been 50/50 surely I would've heard some cheering? I happened to be sitting right next to that camera that appears in so many pictures(just behind Joe Weider) As a gesture of proof - at Franco's seminar he got an Aussie bb to come out the front and then did some chiropractic magic on his back. Franco said 'no cameras'. Remember? My friend had his movie camera and got some shots with Franco's head missing. Just an aside but that same camera man is in Larry Scott's Loaded Guns photo taken in your gym. Woulda been in it too but decided to go home early(Newcastle boys.....now old men)
This is exaclty what Ricky Wayne said in his book Muscle Wars-and this is what was widely reported in all the magazines at the time-that Arnold was booed off of the stage.
This is why I think it is so funny when people say that after watching the "Comeback" they only heard cheering and no booing. Then you have to tell them that the shows promoter, and Arnold and Franco's very close friend, Paul Graham, made the "Comeback" and editied out all the booing and replaced them with cheers.
Folks, this topic has been beaten dead-
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When Arnold appeared on stage at the judging and in the evening he always was cheered loudly. As I recall it 3 people got loud cheers that night. Arnold, local hero Roger Walker, and perhaps loudest of all for local champion Bev Francis. I was sitting in the middle of the audience and even got a seat next to me for John Balik so he could get the best position for photos. He eagerly traded positions with a fellow from my gym who took his place near the stage.
Anyway, Arnold was initally booed when it was announced that he won. But lots of people cheered, too. I mean, the Aussie audiences are not that rude. Many would have felt Arnold deserved to win. I personally was surprised to hear that so many bodybuilders were supporting Chris Dickerson. Truth be told it was a very close contest. Arnold's reputation and size helped him win. Plus his relationships with all the judges. Arnold was Bendan Ryan's hero. Arnold knew Mits Kowashima well in Hawaii, and so on. Arnold did seminars and guest posing for most of the judges. In those days the IFBB selected judges from the loyal Weider agents around the world. Not what I would call fair. Matter of fact the IFBB has been a closed organization since Ben Weider appointed himself life president. The bodybuilders all kissed butt of whoever was in charge because they all wanted to win the titles. Those who did not bow down to the IFBB were usually banned and when they returned they got placed 8th. I have never understood how Bev Fancis and Sergio could be placed 8th in the lineups they were in.
About Franco's seminar. Well, I was about as impressed as how they award "Doctor" titles to chiropractors. That seminar was lacking in any valuable information. You can always tell which bodybuilders have some education. Those lacking resort to answering questions and call that a seminar. People who did that at my gym and in Sydney were Sergio, Franco, Paul Dillette. The best two seminars were given by Ray Mentzer and Larry Scott.
There was a photo taken outside my gym with Franco, Arnold, and Bev in it.
Many might not know that about 6 of the top competitors in that Olympia "boycotted" the following Olympia and Franco won in a condition that has to be the poorest of any champion. Let us face it so many great bodybuilders were "cheated" by the Olympia that it has become a rather controversial event instead of a celebration of the best in the world.
Did Arnold deserve to win in 1980. Yes, in my considered opinion, especially judging from the 400 or so images that I took and inspected. 2nd place could have gone to any of the top men. Even Danny Padilla, who never was compared, looked the best all-round in the photos. Dennis Tinerino looked in superb condition. Boyer Coe had the most impressive posing display. Chris Dickerson presented a beautiful body. Frank Zane looked a bit small compared to some of the others. Roger Walker was as big as anyone there. Others were overlooked but had supporters in the audience. Casey Viator, Samir Bannout and Roy Callender come to mind.
When it was all said and done Arnold was a legend in bodybuilding and that day he had just enough of his size and shape to be a bit better than the rest. Especially his arms and chest. I mean, as much as Chris was a sight to see he was dwarfed beside Arnold. Ditto for Frank Zane. Mike seemed to be carrying a slightly bloated midsection. However, that said I did take a superb photo of Mike that Ironman put on the cover and in that photo you could argue that he looked the best. However, unless you were at the prejudging and show you were not able to see and know everything that occurred. From where I sat I wasn't impressed with Mike. I know he was devastated after the contest but goodness me if you compete you have to know you can lose. Arnold often said that the losers always claim the contests were "fixed". I asked him at my home if that contest he lost to Zane was fixed since he lost? "Yes, it was!" he replied. So I guess he was getting even with Frank and Mike.
I knew from Paul Graham that Arnold was competing. I even told some of the competitors who were waiting at Bondi Beach for a bus to take them to the opera house. No one believed me. Ah, how surprised everyone was. Arnold stayed at the Hilton in town. Others joined him there when the hotel at Bondi had cockroaches or something! There are some stories to tell about that contest. Someone even went to Frank's room after the contest. That person told me he thought he heard someone crying inside. Anyway, Christine told the visitor that Frank didn't want to see anyone. Several of the placegetters smashed their trophies back stage. That was the last year that place getters received trophies. For some incomprehensible reason no competitor has ever ripped up a cheque! :)
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Many might not know that about 6 of the top competitors in that Olympia "boycotted" the following Olympia and Franco won in a condition that has to be the poorest of any champion. Let us face it so many great bodybuilders were "cheated" by the Olympia that it has become a rather controversial event instead of a celebration of the best in the world.
That is an amazing fact. Who skipped the next year?
Can you imagine the top 6 skipping a modern-day Olympia? I guess I can see why people still talk about it. I guess it would be similar to Coleman retiring, and Cutler being given a gift win over a better Dex for all his years of runner up status.
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Went to a Franco seminar the day after he won in 81. He was a complete dick! ASSHOLE!!! OK, I feel better now. :)
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Vince-
You and Ausvet were both there-and you both have a slightly different version of what happened-you said you heard boos and cheers, Ausvet said he only heard boos. Whatever the case, you know from first hand experience what happened.
As for the following O, Arnold was promoting that show-just as he had in 76,77,78 and 79-with Jim Lorimer in Columbus Ohio. Boyer Coe and Mike Mentzer both said they would not do the show b/c Arnold was promoting it. Zane said he was not going t do it, but only b/c he wanted to train with a full year off-not b/c of Arnold.
Thats funny that Franco was as dumb as a door knob. As for getting a "Doctor" title from chiropractic school in he USA, well it is a bit of a stretch because you need very little prepatory work to go to chiropractic school, not even a bachelors degree.
BTW-are you buddies with Paul Graham, or do you know him? Do you own a gym in Sydney? Have you seen or know what Roger Walker is up to? That article they did on him in Ironman (1981?) was pretty cool.
Thanks for the first hand version!
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Nope, not buddies with Paul Graham. He gave me 25 out of 100 at the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Arnold also judged and put me down causing me to place last in my class. I warned the promoter that Paul was going to do this but nothing was done about it. Ah, the jerks in bodybuilding. Paul and Arnold lived together in 1968 in LA. Paul got nabbed soon after for sending stolen cars back to Australia. He spent a couple of years locked up in the states while Arnold continued with his career. The dopes in Australia elected Paul head of the IFBB here in 1972. No one could get rid of him after that because he had a deal with the Weiders and merely changed the name of his organization but kept the official affiliation with the IFBB. I see Paul now and then. He owns a gym in Sydney and runs contests. He has done okay over the years and owns a couple of expensives homes here. At least he did last time I talked to him.
Franco wasn't a dope. It seemed like a nice guy. No one learned anything except a bit about chiropractic adjustments!
I had a friend take a video of the contest and I am sure I will find people clapping loudly when Arnold won. The movie of the contest recorded that cheering. What the filmmakers did was cut out the booing. Arnold was not booed off the stage. That is a lie. I agree that a lot of people were upset at the result and said the contest was fixed. No, it wasn't fixed but it was close.
We had a meeting at my gym in Sydney a few days after the Olympia for bodybuilders to discuss the contest and so on. I won a big trophy from Paul for selling the most tickets to the contest. 200 at $35 each, which was a lot of money in those days. Paul did not make a profit from that contest. Anyway, the bodybuilders there decided the Olympia sucked and we sent Chris Dickerson the trophy our gym won. It was a huge trophy. It was inscribed: "Chris Dickerson, Mr Olympia 1980, from the bodybuilders of Australia." He never publicized that he received that trophy so he was a good sport.
Yes, what is the test of facts from the past? Is opinion and reputation sufficient. I think that I could get plenty of people who were there who would support my statement that Arnold got a lot of cheers when he won the title that year. I am afraid the standard of discourse on this board is rather insulting at times.
I have co-owned a large gym in Sydney since 1971. I taught high school for 10 years over here. I have a DipEd, BA, and a MEd from different universities. I design and build my own gym equipment and won the ancient 1970 Mr Canada contest. I never BS about the truth or reality of bodybuilding.
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Vince, your gonna do yhat your gonna do, but posting with that fat fuck is a lost cause. He read ( I should say had read to him ) RicK Wayne's muscle wars ( written when Rick was pissed at Joe, Arnold and bodybuilding ) and thinks he has a complete view of things.
619 is a douchebag ( period )
THE BEEF CURTAIN.
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Vince, your gonna do yhat your gonna do, but posting with that fat f**k is a lost cause. He read ( I should say had read to him ) RicK Wayne's muscle wars ( written when Rick was pissed at Joe, Arnold and bodybuilding ) and thinks he has a complete view of things.
619 is a douchebag ( period )
THE BEEF CURTAIN.
Thanks Vince-
Paxil Sucks His Dick Rose is such a stupid homo that he still has his dick up Arnold's ass and does not know which way is up.
You just have to igonore the pussie. He tghinks b/c the "Comeback" had Arnold getting lots of cheers that there is no such thing as sound edititng. Plus the guy only has a grade school education.
Now that we are finished with the BEEF guy.
Now, last question-what happened to Roger Walker?
One more-what is the name of your gym in Sydney? ;D ;D
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I am afraid the standard of discourse on this board is rather insulting at times.
Vince, it is refreshing to see someone who was actually there, post something of substantial substance, and I agree with your observation. I hope you continue to post here on GB as it helps tremendously to tip the scales in the opposite direction. 8)
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I agree with your observation.
Well gee whiz.....*Dutch* agrees, as if Dutch were there in person and has some sort of authourity to agree-Dutch you and BEEF BOY need to get together and make *Observations* together.
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Well gee whiz.....*Dutch* agrees, as if Dutch were there in person and has some sort of authourity to agree-Dutch you and BEEF BOY need to get together and make *Observations* together.
haha you just owned them fella's
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If I read Dutch's reply he agrees with my observation about this forum being filled with insulting anonymous individuals.
I would prefer to know who I am talking to. I have never posted on the net anonymously. I don't throw the weights down in gyms either!
Roger Walker was a giant here in Australia. He was a musician in a military band in Richmond, NSW, outside Sydney for many years. He opened a basic gym with another bodybuilder but that didn't last very long. I saw Roger a few years ago and he seemed to be doing rather well working for some sporting goods company in an important position as a buyer or something. Roger is very candid and says what is on his mind. I recall the very first time I saw him in Melbourne after he was the guest poser. A young English bodybuilder from Sydney drove down to Melbourne to see the contest and Roger pose. He came up to Roger afterwards and announced that he, too, was from England. Roger said, "I can't help that!" and instantly removed one fan from his club! I must say that lots of people believe quite extraordinary things about others. I have to wonder where most of us get our information from. Sometimes two of us can see the same phenomenon but have distinctly different impressions of what happened. That surely applies to subjective observations such as bodybuilding contests.
If you merely say, "In my opinion so and so was the best" then no one can refute that that is your opinion. However, if you declare that "so and so should have won" you are making a statement that others can disagree with. Talk about what you like and think but do not assume that everyone else has to agree with you or should agree with you.
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If I read Dutch's reply he agrees with my observation about this forum being filled with insulting anonymous individuals.
Vince, that is precisely what I was referring to. It seems that some of these anonymous individuals are so full of rage, that it affects their comprehension skills tremendously! ::)
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Vince, that is precisely what I was referring to. It seems that some of these anonymous individuals are so full of rage, that it affects their comprehension skills tremendously! ::)
Ge serious *Dutch*...you talk more shit here than most.
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If I recall ( and I do ) Roger had no respect for Arnold what so ever. I recall seeing him in 76 in Montreal at the Universe and he was a monster. In 80 he was the most massive man on stage ( his gyno ) was a little off putting, but he set the bench mark for a strong massive physique at the time.
He always looked a little pissed off.
THE BEEF CURTAIN.
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Vince-
You and Ausvet were both there-and you both have a slightly different version of what happened-you said you heard boos and cheers, Ausvet said he only heard boos. Whatever the case, you know from first hand experience what happened.
As for the following O, Arnold was promoting that show-just as he had in 76,77,78 and 79-with Jim Lorimer in Columbus Ohio. Boyer Coe and Mike Mentzer both said they would not do the show b/c Arnold was promoting it. Zane said he was not going t do it, but only b/c he wanted to train with a full year off-not b/c of Arnold.
Thats funny that Franco was as dumb as a door knob. As for getting a "Doctor" title from chiropractic school in he USA, well it is a bit of a stretch because you need very little prepatory work to go to chiropractic school, not even a bachelors degree.
BTW-are you buddies with Paul Graham, or do you know him? Do you own a gym in Sydney? Have you seen or know what Roger Walker is up to? That article they did on him in Ironman (1981?) was pretty cool.
Thanks for the first hand version!
I don't know about Chiropractors having an easy ride to getting their certification.
http://www.adjustbacktohealth.com/articles/aa70.htm
Seems almost as hard as med school. Law school's easier ;D
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I saw an interveiw with Arnold and I remember Arnold mentioning that when he was getting in shape for Conan Franco commented on how great he looked and that maybe he should enter the Olympia. People have to remember that filming a movie takes up to a year some time and then you have to secure a release date. Conan was easily close to two years old when it was released. I mean the actual filming started close to two years before the release date.
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He seems like he had a lot to lose and not much to gain.
6 wins wasn't enough. He had to proce who was THE BEST.... EVER! ;D
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar114.jpg)
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Vince,
Hope you get a kick out of this, I posted the following on the "Arnold owning the competition at the 1980 O" thread.
I can't vouch for validity of this rumour, but it is what I was told by someone heavily involved in the Iron scene in the late 70's/early 80's....
Enjoy:
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Politics might play a bigger part in this than we realise...
Aside from the obvious economic reasons and downplaying the conspiracy theories, Joe and Ben Weider (and the IFBB officials) might well have had reservations about giving Mike Mentzer the win because of something else, something potentially more damaging/embarrassing to bodybuilding as a whole.
They were happy to give Mike second place the year before ('79) against an immaculate Frank Zane, in '80 he was much improved: better conditioning; better posing; better presence and more mass. Whereas Zane was slightly off his '79 condition (he was slightly sunburned, blurred and a little reddened) so why didn't Mike at least beat Zane (3rd) in the 1980 Olympia?
So many questions???
Why did Arnold even enter?
Why on such short notice?
Why did TV execs refuse to air the finished footage shot by the camera crew (that were following Arnold around everywhere) on the grounds that "an obviously fixed show doesn't count as SPORT"?
I've heard it whispered by a former high level IFBB judge that leading up to the Olympia the Weiders discovered that Mike Mentzer was addicted to amphetamines. They weren't willing to risk giving the Olympia crown and thereby the ambassadorship of the sport to a man who might well spiral out of control at any time (which subsequently happened).
They did what they did in an attempt to protect the newly burgeoning popularity of bodybuilding from a major scandal. And no doubt they wished to re-exert their control/ownership of bodybuilding and the bodybuilding market.
Apparently, they were under the impression that Mike "would get the message and clean himself up" (apparently Joe's exact words). It seems Ben and Joe really felt that Mike had much more potential to go mainstream (movies, TV etc) than even Arnold (better looking, more articulate and more intelligent) and were confident that he could be groomed for greatness as a Weider Athlete. They could easily afford to offer him several times the income he was making from his mail order courses (advertised in Weider magazines) and thought he would be a better long term investment than Arnold's arrogant bully routine.
They knew Arnold was training hard (juicing) for Conan and had apparently already decided that should Arnold enter the O (always a possibility with a publicity hungry Arnold) that a tie-breaker decision in favour of Arnold over Mentzer would set them up for the mother of all Olympias in '81, which would go to Mike (presumably in another sensational tie breaker), with Arnold conceding defeat in a gentlemanly manner and endorsing Mike as his successor. (in exchange for a controling percentage of the IFBB pro contest promotion business)
About eight weeks out they found out about Mike's addiction... (which apparently wasn't much of an issue for an unhindered Mentzer) and voila! Arnold is in to do the O albeit as a dark horse last minute entry, the camera crew follow him and Platz as they prepare for the show (footage which later became Arnold's Comeback video when the TV stations refused it).
Arnold goes on to endorse Platz as his successor, the bodybuilding ideal: mens sana in corpore sano, Mike Mentzer is lost to the mists of obscurity.
Just another viewpoint to ponder, enjoy guys...
The Luke
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For publicity and because Arnold was being made out to be the "girly man" that he truly is by Mike Mentzer. Mike Mentzer may have been "put in his place" by the judges but anyone who looks at any video or pics of the 1980 Olympia knows who the REAL winner was.
Mike Mentzer RIP. We love ya buddy.
Having muscles in your chest is required to wint the mr.O.
Wooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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AFTER 4 PAGES(!)....All talk and no proof from anyone. Here is the 1980 line up. Mentzer wins hands down. All the Arnold types...stop thinking with your heart and make the comparison rationally. Its Menzer without question.
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AFTER 4 PAGES(!)....All talk and no proof from anyone. Here is the 1980 line up. Mentzer wins hands down. All the Arnold types...stop thinking with your heart and make the comparison rationally. Its Menzer without question.
Good picture....
without chest, how could mike even place in the top 6 ??
Woooooshhhhhhhhhhhh
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bump for old shht
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MIKE AND ARNIE 1980..... ???
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ARNIE WAS CRITICISED FOR BEING SMALLER AND THUS NOT WORTHY OF MR O
1980 , BUT THE LOGICAL FACT IS ARNIE WAS NOT AS BIG AS WHEN HE DEFEATED THE
HULK AND OTHERS IN 73-75, HE NEEDED THAT SIZE TO DEFEAT BIG GUYS,SO IN
1980 MENTZER WAS SMALLER AND HAD BEEN DEFEATED BY ZANE IN 79 ...,BUT
ARNIE HAS DEFEATED ZANE TOO , THUS ARNIE'S 1980 SIZE,BODY HEIGHT,BODY
FRAME AND ABOVE ALL THE SHAPE OF ARNIE'S MUSCLES ,WHICH ARNIE NEVER
LOST WAS IN FACT MORE THAN ENOUGH TO DEFEAT MENTZER IN 1980 ... !
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Not this thread again ::)
Arnold won this easily, it's not even debatable.
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1. HIT is not and was not full of shit- Mentzer body proves it.
2. Mentzer was not gay.
3. Mentzer looked better than Arnold in 1980.
Mentzers chest was flat, see the pics as proof. Arnold had slabs of beef everywhere.
And another fact is Arnie and Yates never got on coz of the Yates/Mentzer link.
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Great comparisons, ARNIE.
Arnold smokes Mentzer from every angle, yet it was much closer between Arnold and Chris Dickerson.
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This is nearing perfection sans the forearms
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29765.0;attach=27006;image)
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When Arnold appeared on stage at the judging and in the evening he always was cheered loudly. As I recall it 3 people got loud cheers that night. Arnold, local hero Roger Walker, and perhaps loudest of all for local champion Bev Francis. I was sitting in the middle of the audience and even got a seat next to me for John Balik so he could get the best position for photos. He eagerly traded positions with a fellow from my gym who took his place near the stage.
Anyway, Arnold was initally booed when it was announced that he won. But lots of people cheered, too. I mean, the Aussie audiences are not that rude. Many would have felt Arnold deserved to win. I personally was surprised to hear that so many bodybuilders were supporting Chris Dickerson. Truth be told it was a very close contest. Arnold's reputation and size helped him win. Plus his relationships with all the judges. Arnold was Bendan Ryan's hero. Arnold knew Mits Kowashima well in Hawaii, and so on. Arnold did seminars and guest posing for most of the judges. In those days the IFBB selected judges from the loyal Weider agents around the world. Not what I would call fair. Matter of fact the IFBB has been a closed organization since Ben Weider appointed himself life president. The bodybuilders all kissed butt of whoever was in charge because they all wanted to win the titles. Those who did not bow down to the IFBB were usually banned and when they returned they got placed 8th. I have never understood how Bev Fancis and Sergio could be placed 8th in the lineups they were in.
About Franco's seminar. Well, I was about as impressed as how they award "Doctor" titles to chiropractors. That seminar was lacking in any valuable information. You can always tell which bodybuilders have some education. Those lacking resort to answering questions and call that a seminar. People who did that at my gym and in Sydney were Sergio, Franco, Paul Dillette. The best two seminars were given by Ray Mentzer and Larry Scott.
There was a photo taken outside my gym with Franco, Arnold, and Bev in it.
Many might not know that about 6 of the top competitors in that Olympia "boycotted" the following Olympia and Franco won in a condition that has to be the poorest of any champion. Let us face it so many great bodybuilders were "cheated" by the Olympia that it has become a rather controversial event instead of a celebration of the best in the world.
Did Arnold deserve to win in 1980. Yes, in my considered opinion, especially judging from the 400 or so images that I took and inspected. 2nd place could have gone to any of the top men. Even Danny Padilla, who never was compared, looked the best all-round in the photos. Dennis Tinerino looked in superb condition. Boyer Coe had the most impressive posing display. Chris Dickerson presented a beautiful body. Frank Zane looked a bit small compared to some of the others. Roger Walker was as big as anyone there. Others were overlooked but had supporters in the audience. Casey Viator, Samir Bannout and Roy Callender come to mind.
When it was all said and done Arnold was a legend in bodybuilding and that day he had just enough of his size and shape to be a bit better than the rest. Especially his arms and chest. I mean, as much as Chris was a sight to see he was dwarfed beside Arnold. Ditto for Frank Zane. Mike seemed to be carrying a slightly bloated midsection. However, that said I did take a superb photo of Mike that Ironman put on the cover and in that photo you could argue that he looked the best. However, unless you were at the prejudging and show you were not able to see and know everything that occurred. From where I sat I wasn't impressed with Mike. I know he was devastated after the contest but goodness me if you compete you have to know you can lose. Arnold often said that the losers always claim the contests were "fixed". I asked him at my home if that contest he lost to Zane was fixed since he lost? "Yes, it was!" he replied. So I guess he was getting even with Frank and Mike.Probably true-in Ed Of BB when he lost to Zane he cried that it was a trick, a dirty, typical American trick...But He;d show them...!"
I knew from Paul Graham that Arnold was competing. I even told some of the competitors who were waiting at Bondi Beach for a bus to take them to the opera house. No one believed me. Ah, how surprised everyone was. Arnold stayed at the Hilton in town. Others joined him there when the hotel at Bondi had cockroaches or something! There are some stories to tell about that contest. Someone even went to Frank's room after the contest. That person told me he thought he heard someone crying inside. Anyway, Christine told the visitor that Frank didn't want to see anyone. Several of the placegetters smashed their trophies back stage. That was the last year that place getters received trophies. For some incomprehensible reason no competitor has ever ripped up a cheque! :)
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arnold regret today this contest . it took him 30 years ... to say