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Title: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
1.7 million-2 million is what Fox and other Right Wing blog sites initially claimed, even when shown that they were grossly wrong.

So why do you guys think they still kept the lie going even when provided with evidence?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 04:41:31 PM
(http://www.tampabay.com/universal/politifact/photos/Tea_party_photo.jpg)

Bloggers said this photo showed a gargantuan crowd at Saturday's "tea party" protest. But it apparently was taken in 1997 at a Promise Keepers rally.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 04:43:08 PM
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/14/tea-party-photo-shows-large-crowd-different-event/

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

"Tea party" photo shows huge crowd — at different event

Bloggers said this photo showed a gargantuan crowd at Saturday's "tea party" protest. But it apparently was taken in 1997 at a Promise Keepers rally.

In the competitive world of Washington protests, crowd size is often a matter of dispute. Organizers usually boast of huge crowds, while police and the news media offer much smaller estimates.

So supporters of Saturday’s “tea party” protests against President Barack Obama were quick to highlight their big turnout. To bolster countless claims on blogs and Facebook, many posted a photograph that showed a gargantuan crowd sprawling from Capitol Hill down the National Mall to the Washington Monument.

But it turns out the photo is more than 10 years old, apparently taken during a 1997 Promise Keepers rally.

On Saturday, estimates about the crowd spread quickly through the conservative blogosphere. Many writers, including author Michelle Malkin, pegged the number of people between 1 million and 2 million. Those reports were largely based on information from people in the crowd.

Malkin, for example, updated her blog at 12:34 p.m. noting that, “Police estimate 1.2 million in attendance. ABC News reporting crowd at 2 million,” and she cited a Twitter post from Tabitha Hale, writer of Pink Elephant Pundit, who was in Washington for the protest.

Many bloggers said the media was unfairly reporting much smaller numbers, and many included the photo.

“I have no doubt that Washington Democrats are well aware of how many people turned out, even as their media outlets try to downplay the event,” said Power Line, a conservative blog that linked to the photograph from Say Anything, another conservative Web site.

“ 'Media’ estimates range from 60,000 to 500,000 to around 2 million (yes, 2,000,000),” wrote John G. Winder for the conservative blog Cypress Times. “Those estimates, the language employed, and the visuals chosen for use in reporting the rally and representing the people gathered, vary greatly based solely on bias.”

In the mainstream media, crowd estimates varied.

The New York Times reported that “thousands” of protesters “filled the west lawn of the Capitol and spilled onto the National Mall,” while Fox News wrote that “tens of thousands” marched on Washington. CNN said “reporters at the scene described the massive crowd as reaching the tens of thousands.”

Pete Piringer, public affairs officer for the D.C. Fire and Emergency Department, said the local government no longer provides official crowd estimates because they can become politicized. But the day of the rally, Piringer unofficially told one reporter that he thought between 60,000 and 75,000 people had shown up.

“It was in no way an official estimate,” he said.

We asked Piringer whether there were enough protesters to fill the National Mall, as depicted in the photograph.

“It was an impressive crowd,” he said. But after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, the crowd “only filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street,” he said.

Yet the photograph so widely posted showed the crowd sprawling all the way to the Washington Monument, which is bordered by 15th and and 17th Streets.

There’s another problem with the photograph: It doesn’t include the National Museum of the American Indian, a building located at the corner of Fourth Street and Independence Avenue that opened on Sept. 14, 2004. (Looking at the photograph, the building should be in the upper right hand corner of the National Mall, next to the Air and Space Museum.) That means the picture was taken before the museum opened exactly five years ago. So clearly the photo doesn’t show the “tea party” crowd from the Sept. 12 protest.

Also worth noting are the cranes in front of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History. According to Randall Kremer, the museum’s director of public affairs, “The last time cranes were in front was in the 1990s when the IMAX theater was being built.”

It appears that the photo was actually taken in 1997 at a rally for Promise Keepers, a group for Christian men. According to the group’s Web site, nearly 1 million people attended the event. Photos of the Oct. 4, 1997, event that were posted on various Web sites in 2003, 2008 and earlier this year show either the same picture or a similar photo that has identical tents and what appear to be TV screens in the same locations.

Conservative bloggers who originally posted the picture have backed down.

Malkin, like some of her conservative cohorts, retracted the number she had attributed to ABC when the network chastised FreedomWorks president Matt Kibbe, whose organization arranged the event, for inaccurately telling the crowd that the news organization had reported the crowd at 1 million to 1.5 million people.

Malkin linked to the ABC story on her site, and changed her blog post headline to “Celebrating the 9/12 rallies; Turnout estimated at 2 million; Update: How many?; FreedomWorks in error.”

Say Anything updated its original post to say that the picture was “of the wrong rally.” An accurate photo “clearly shows that (the rally) didn’t take place on the mall nearly as extensively as the image I mistakenly posted does.” Power Line took the picture down all together.

But because mistakes can still live forever on the Internet and many people who saw the photo on Facebook were unaware it was found to be the wrong picture, we decided to still rate it on the Truth-O-Meter. And Pants on Fire it is.

UPDATED: We updated this item with new details about the Promise Keepers photos.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: tonymctones on September 15, 2009, 04:45:44 PM
Actually fox reported 10's of thousands

So why is it do you think you lied?

Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
Actually fox reported 10's of thousands

So why is it do you think you lied?



lol
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: headhuntersix on September 15, 2009, 04:58:40 PM
Um the cops said 1-2 million...and Malkin ran with that. ABC said the same thing based on what the cops said. It was about 70K pretty friggen big for a Conservative rally. Ur guy is failing miserably...no more hand outs.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Actually fox reported 10's of thousands

So why is it do you think you lied?


Orly.

Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 15, 2009, 05:03:25 PM
Um the cops said 1-2 million...and Malkin ran with that. ABC said the same thing based on what the cops said. It was about 70K pretty friggen big for a Conservative rally. Ur guy is failing miserably...no more hand outs.
actually the biggest lie came from freedomworks and blamed on ABC which was a lie, pure and simple.  Fox saying the mall was full when at no point was the mall completely full is a lie.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
Um the cops said 1-2 million...and Malkin ran with that. ABC said the same thing based on what the cops said. It was about 70K pretty friggen big for a Conservative rally. Ur guy is failing miserably...no more hand outs.
70,000 is pretty small actually if this was to be considered the eye of the hurricane of Conservative organization.  :-\

Me thinks it was even less than 70,000 and that is a high estimate.  I believe more people would turn out to see Miley Cyrus on a rainy school night in an outdoor venue in Omaha than march to an incoherent and discordant message of who knows what in Washington DC.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2009, 05:05:46 PM
Um the cops said 1-2 million...

Link?  I thought DC police said 60k.  Malkin said the event organizer was wrong, not the DC popo.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Purge_WTF on September 15, 2009, 05:13:07 PM
  I'm a Conservative, and Aunty Thomasina exaggerated the numbers to inflate what they realized was a lower-than-expected turnout. She needs to find a coma.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 05:20:48 PM
  I'm a Conservative, and Aunty Thomasina exaggerated the numbers to inflate what they realized was a lower-than-expected turnout. She needs to find a coma.
Do you think the majority of the Conservatives realize the gross exaggeration or, like some on here, even when given facts, still choose to believe in their own version or vision of reality?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Purge_WTF on September 15, 2009, 05:23:51 PM
Do you think the majority of the Conservatives realize the gross exaggeration or, like some on here, even when given facts, still choose to believe in their own version or vision of reality?

  I don't think they really cared. They concentrated on what was/is a good cause.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
  I don't think they really cared. They concentrated on what was/is a good cause.
If one blatantly disregards fact and willfully eschews evidence, than how can one know what is or what is not a valid or viable cause?

Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 15, 2009, 05:31:13 PM
1.7 million-2 million is what Fox and other Right Wing blog sites initially claimed, even when shown that they were grossly wrong.

So why do you guys think they still kept the lie going even when provided with evidence?

You're just pissed because your boy's approval ratings are below 50%. Get over it and just accept the fact we told you so.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Purge_WTF on September 15, 2009, 05:33:54 PM
If one blatantly disregards fact and willfully eschews evidence, than how can one know what is or what is not a valid or viable cause?



  Well, I think most people would agree that spending and deficit growth has been through the roof.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 05:38:41 PM
You're just pissed because your boy's approval ratings are below 50%. Get over it and just accept the fact we told you so.
I couldn`t care less what any rating reads as I do believe the majority of Americans are mentally inept.  Most even believe in an imaginary sky-god who has a zombie son that holds the key to survival once you are dead.  I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Skip8282 on September 15, 2009, 05:56:44 PM
I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Hope this helps.


Don't hold back, TA.  Tell us how you really feel.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Could you possibly be any more arrogant?  (Rhetorical question)
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:09:15 PM
Could you possibly be any more arrogant?  (Rhetorical question)
Just continuing the school of thought that the Founders had in mind, particularly Adams and Jefferson.  :D
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2009, 06:12:56 PM
Just continuing the school of thought that the Founders had in mind, particularly Adams and Jefferson.  :D

So you don't walk around thinking you're smarter than everyone else and/or that most people are stupid?  
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: George Whorewell on September 15, 2009, 06:22:59 PM
Most shut ins that spend 100+ hours a week on line and have no lives, social status, jobs or compainsonship with members of the opposite sex tend to have delusions of grandeur and are deeply disturbed narcissists. TA fits this profile like a glove. The trouble is that in most threads he ends up looking like a totally brain dead jack ass. Once his ignorance is exposed he disappears from the political board for a day or so, then returns with another dumb ass posting jam-packed with imaginary statistics, hundred page articles from liberal blogs and out of date you tube videos.

I think that the Conservative media purposely lied about the number of attendees just to see how the worlds richest, most educated, and strongest deadlifting socialist would react on GetBig.com.

Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:29:40 PM
So you don't walk around thinking you're smarter than everyone else and/or that most people are stupid?  
Obviously you don`t know too much about John Adams and his view of the Natural Aristocracy of men and how he and Jefferson discussed it at length.


Hope this helps.



http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s62.html
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:32:05 PM
http://www.greatbooks.org/index.php?id=301

The Natural Aristocracy by Thomas Jefferson
To John Adams

Monticello, October 28, 1813



I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents. Formerly, bodily powers gave place among the aristoi [aristocrats]. But since the invention of gunpowder has armed the weak as well as the strong with missile death, bodily strength, like beauty, good humor, politeness, and other accomplishments, has become but an auxiliary ground for distinction. There is also an artificial aristocracy, founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature, for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed, it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of the society. May we not even say, that that form of government is the best, which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent its ascendency.…I think the best remedy is exactly that provided by all our constitutions, to leave to the citizens the free election and separation of the aristoi from the pseudo-aristoi [pseudoaristocrats], of the wheat from the chaff. In general they will elect the really good and wise. In some instances, wealth may corrupt, and birth blind them, but not in sufficient degree to endanger the society.

…At the first session of our legislature after the Declaration of Independence, we passed a law abolishing entails [limitations on the inheritance of property to a specified succession of heirs]. And this was followed by one abolishing the privilege of primogeniture [the eldest child’s exclusive right of inheritance], and dividing the lands of intestates equally among all their children, or other representatives. These laws, drawn by myself, laid the ax to the foot of pseudoaristocracy. And had another which I prepared been adopted by the legislature, our work would have been complete. It was a bill for the more general diffusion of learning. This proposed to divide every county into wards of five or six miles square, like your townships; to establish in each ward a free school for reading, writing, and common arithmetic; to provide for the annual selection of the best subjects from these schools, who might receive, at the public expense, a higher degree of education at a district school; and from these district schools to select a certain number of the most promising subjects, to be completed at a university, where all the useful sciences should be taught. Worth and genius would thus have been sought out from every condition of life, and completely prepared by education for defeating the competition of wealth and birth for public trusts….

With respect to aristocracy, we should further consider, that before the establishment of the American States, nothing was known to history but the man of the old world, crowded within limits either small or overcharged, and steeped in the vices which that situation generates. A government adapted to such men would be one thing, but a very different one, that for the man of these States. Here every one may have land to labor for himself, if he chooses; or, preferring the exercise of any other industry, may exact for it such compensation as not only to afford a comfortable subsistence, but wherewith to provide for a cessation from labor in old age. Every one, by his property, or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs, and a degree of freedom, which, in the hands of the canaille [the masses] of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private. The history of the last twenty-five years of France, and of the last forty years in America, nay of its last two hundred years, proves the truth of both parts of this observation.

But even in Europe a change has sensibly taken place in the mind of man. Science had liberated the ideas of those who read and reflect, and the American example had kindled feelings of right in the people. An insurrection has consequently begun, of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth, which have fallen into contempt. It has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe. Science is progressive, and talents and enterprise on the alert. Resort may be had to the people of the country, a more governable power from their principles and subordination; and rank, and birth, and tinsel-aristocracy will finally shrink into insignificance, even there. This, however, we have no right to meddle with. It suffices for us, if the moral and physical condition of our own citizens qualifies them to select the able and good for the direction of their government, with a recurrence of elections at such short periods as will enable them to displace an unfaithful servant, before the mischief he meditates may be irremediable.

…A constitution has been acquired, which, though neither of us thinks perfect, yet both consider as competent to render our fellow citizens the happiest and the securest on whom the sun has ever shone. If we do not think exactly alike as to its imperfections, it matters little to our country, which, after devoting to it long lives of disinterested labor, we have delivered over to our successors in life, who will be able to take care of it and of themselves.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: headhuntersix on September 15, 2009, 06:33:52 PM
TA.....ur in the minority...ur supposed intellectual superiority is all in ur delusional fantasies. U can't make a single argument without some bullshit cut and paste job. Guys like straw, Hugo and Decker easily hold their own and make thier points without capitalizing some wiki article. When called out u disappear, all the while feverishly looking up data to support ur position. Obama is failing and ur worried about the exact count at a march against ur douchebag messiah. Barry's numbers after the speech are the back to what they just were before. He lost his magical feel good enema campaign speeches. Ur dimwit country want facts, Barry doesn't have em. And while he's worried about shit canning America...we're loosing ground in Latin America and Afghanistan. He's a looser, his own party won't back him in Afghanistan, and if he really wants to stay, he has to deal with his only support...Republicans. His admin is a joke. Hil is eyeing a run for Gov in New York...and this is a Clinton...she'll do what she can to undermine Ol Barry as she goes. But u keep worrying about Fox news.


Oh look another cut and paste job...neither did u before u cut this......ur a fucking joke.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2009, 06:37:14 PM
Obviously you don`t know too much about John Adams and his view of the Natural Aristocracy of men and how he and Jefferson discussed it at length.


Hope this helps.



http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s62.html

No, it doesn't help.  I don't care what John Adams thought two centuries ago about this subject.  I was asking about whether YOU believe you're smarter than most everyone you meet and whether YOU believe most of your fellow citizens are stupid. 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2009, 06:38:48 PM
You're just pissed because your boy's approval ratings are below 50%. Get over it and just accept the fact we told you so.

53% by gallup, a bit below 50 on some of the newer polls.

I gotat say, for 9 months of total lib moves, having HALF the nation still say "Obama rocks!" and approving him... repubs should be scared!  Obama SHULD be at 30% approval right now.  He's alienated all the moderates with him moves - but half of them still dig him.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
TA.....ur in the minority...ur supposed intellectual superiority is all in ur delusional fantasies. U can't make a single argument without some bullshit cut and paste job. Guys like straw, Hugo and Decker easily hold their own and make thier points without capitalizing some wiki article. When called out u disappear, all the while feverishly looking up data to support ur position. Obama is failing and ur worried about the exact count at a march against ur douchebag messiah. Barry's numbers after the speech are the back to what they just were before. He lost his magical feel good enema campaign speeches. Ur dimwit country want facts, Barry doesn't have em. And while he's worried about shit canning America...we're loosing ground in Latin America and Afghanistan. He's a looser, his own party won't back him in Afghanistan, and if he really wants to stay, he has to deal with his only support...Republicans. His admin is a joke. Hil is eyeing a run for Gov in New York...and this is a Clinton...she'll do what she can to undermine Ol Barry as she goes. But u keep worrying about Fox news.


Oh look another cut and paste job...neither did u before u cut this......ur a fucking joke.
Oh I see,
Because quoting Thomas Jefferson and John Adams is somehow disingenuous to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

I am truly sorry you do not value first hand sources, direct evidence and undeniable fact.  I find it amusing that you`d rather have me make something up rather than depict accurately whatever the discussion entails.

Your rose colored glasses are so thick, that you cannot discern when a fact is relevant to the argument, let alone whatever opinions I hold. (and I do of course hold a plethora of them)

I apologize if I don`t know how to lower myself to "stupid" in order for you to understand.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:40:56 PM
No, it doesn't help.  I don't care what John Adams thought two centuries ago about this subject.  I was asking about whether YOU believe you're smarter than most everyone you meet and whether YOU believe most of your fellow citizens are stupid.  
I do and yes, the majority is by far below my level of intelligence.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: headhuntersix on September 15, 2009, 06:45:01 PM
Wow..no dipshit....I don't think u undersstand at all. Ur not quoting Adams to back up ur own argument, ur allowing some article to do it for u....as if u and Adams are intellectual equals. U don't add a quote here or there...u cut and paste the whole friggen thing. Ur not intelligent, ur an idiot. Cutting and paste is not debate....my friggen Golden could do that and he doesn't have thumbs. Instead of telling us how smart u are...followed by some article from whatever source came up first in google...try making ur own points....with some original thought. U must have been a plagerism monster in school.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:48:37 PM
Wow..no dipshit....I don't think u undersstand at all. Ur not quoting Adams to back up ur own argument, ur allowing some article to do it for u....as if u and Adams are intellectual equals. U don't add a quote here or there...u cut and paste the whole friggen thing. Ur not intelligent, ur an idiot. Cutting and paste is not debate....my friggen Golden could do that and he doesn't have thumbs. Instead of telling us how smart u are...followed by some article from whatever source came up first in google...try making ur own points....with some original thought. U must have been a plagerism monster in school.
Uh, those are letters of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.


Are you saying that I must present the ACTUAL physical 200 year old letter and only then it is valid? 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: gcb on September 15, 2009, 06:48:52 PM
Personally I think this whole thing about lying about millions of people protesting Obama is to make people think there is a false consensus and opposition to Obama. Maybe conservatives are hoping where sheep go other sheep will follow. The bigger the number the more convincing the argument "Why aren't I with these people?"
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:50:44 PM
Wow..no dipshit....I don't think u undersstand at all. Ur not quoting Adams to back up ur own argument, ur allowing some article to do it for u....as if u and Adams are intellectual equals. U don't add a quote here or there...u cut and paste the whole friggen thing. Ur not intelligent, ur an idiot. Cutting and paste is not debate....my friggen Golden could do that and he doesn't have thumbs. Instead of telling us how smart u are...followed by some article from whatever source came up first in google...try making ur own points....with some original thought. U must have been a plagerism monster in school.
Ask me anything you`d like to hear my views on and I will respond.  I usually like to give facts and evidence to show why or how I arrived at my particular stance.

However, you can ask what my favorite Poem is, or movie or song, etc....Ask away.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: headhuntersix on September 15, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
Uh, those are letters of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.


Are you saying that I must present the ACTUAL physical 200 year old letter and only then it is valid? 

Ur mildly retarded..right!Make ur own argument...not a cut and paste job. Orginal thought...ideas...articu lated clearly. Not an article..and some snarky comment.

TA..I don;t want to date u...I don't care what ur favorite movie is...or poem...ok this gay!
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 06:54:20 PM
Ur mildly retarded..right!Make ur own argument...not a cut and paste job. Orginal thought...ideas...articu lated clearly. Not an article..and some snarky comment.

TA..I don;t want to date u...I don't care what ur favorite movie is...or poem...ok this gay!
So I have to make an argument that does not contain any facts or evidence or sources and solely based on a gut feeling?

I don`t understand how that is rational in any way whatsoever.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: headhuntersix on September 15, 2009, 06:57:53 PM
Ah..u cut and paste an article..declare how smart u are and how Adams or Jefferson agree with u...like u matter....and then run away when somebody challenges u. U don't debate the points...u don't defend anything with orginal ideas supported by the article...u just paste another article. As 3 says..u have no life experience to draw upon. Most of the time ur points don't even mesh with the threads.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
Ah..u cut and paste an article..declare how smart u are and how Adams or Jefferson agree with u...like u matter....and then run away when somebody challenges u. U don't debate the points...u don't defend anything with orginal ideas supported by the article...u just paste another article. As 3 says..u have no life experience to draw upon. Most of the time ur points don't even mesh with the threads.
I offered you to ask me anything, however I remain just a bit fuzzy on your ground rules of fashioning a fact less and evidence free argument based in amorphous ambiguity.

I am willing to give it a whirl and wish for you to ask me what you will to your hearts content.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 07:15:06 PM
Ah..u cut and paste an article..declare how smart u are and how Adams or Jefferson agree with u...like u matter....and then run away when somebody challenges u. U don't debate the points...u don't defend anything with orginal ideas supported by the article...u just paste another article. As 3 says..u have no life experience to draw upon. Most of the time ur points don't even mesh with the threads.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but the only thing that constitutes "life-experience" is being alive.  Everyone`s "experience" is never the same and will vary greatly even if it be short with a young death or long with aged life.  The whole premise is therefore even undefinable, yet you pretend to know the entire perimeter when no such boundary could ever exist.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Kazan on September 15, 2009, 07:18:51 PM
TA, your the reason I don't like liberals. You "think" you are smarter than everyone else, when in reality all you can do is regurgitate what someone else thought/wrote. Then have the audacity to call free thinking people  stupid.
Personally you make me want to vomit you pseudo intellectual piece of crap.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2009, 07:38:36 PM
TA, your the reason I don't like liberals. You "think" you are smarter than everyone else, when in reality all you can do is regurgitate what someone else thought/wrote. Then have the audacity to call free thinking people  stupid.
Personally you make me want to vomit you pseudo intellectual piece of crap.
What do you make of my previous post and how it relates to your untrue contention?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 15, 2009, 07:38:56 PM
I couldn`t care less what any rating reads as I do believe the majority of Americans are mentally inept.  Most even believe in an imaginary sky-god who has a zombie son that holds the key to survival once you are dead.  I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Hope this helps.

Was that your David Axelrod imitation?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 15, 2009, 07:44:01 PM
53% by gallup, a bit below 50 on some of the newer polls.

I gotat say, for 9 months of total lib moves, having HALF the nation still say "Obama rocks!" and approving him... repubs should be scared!  Obama SHULD be at 30% approval right now.  He's alienated all the moderates with him moves - but half of them still dig him.

Ok, fine. He had the quickest approval rating drop in the history of the presidency, he started high (as expected) but has been steadly dropping every since with no rebound in sight as of now.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The Luke on September 15, 2009, 07:44:49 PM
Actually fox reported 10's of thousands

So why is it do you think you lied?

Orly.

...now this, ladies and gentlemen, is what scientists define as a "PWNING EVENT"!

tonymctones, go sit in the corner... you have been PWN3D.



The rest of this thread is equally hilarious... TA brutalising delusional right-wingers by contrasting their FOX News manufactured worldview with actual reality.

Obama's approval rating is still above 50%... despite the bailout; despite the recession/depression; despite 17% unemployment; despite the trillion dollar deficit... and most importantly, despite the very best efforts of the corporate bought-and-paid-for right wing mainstream media.

50% approval rating... despite being smeared with everything the right could ever possibly throw at him.


So even if they held another election tomorrow, Obama would still win.


And recent polls show 80% of doctors support healthcare reform, alongside 77% of regular Americans.

What if those 77% of Americans marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 230 million people fill?

What if just the uninsured marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 50 million people fill?



Face facts people... the GOP is finished... the Christian right is finished... all this noise is just the death throws of fear-bases resentment politics.

You will all have to accept reality eventually.


The Luke
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 15, 2009, 07:47:17 PM
I couldn`t care less what any rating reads as I do believe the majority of Americans are mentally inept.  Most even believe in an imaginary sky-god who has a zombie son that holds the key to survival once you are dead.  I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Hope this helps.

In order for his rating to drop so dramatically, the people who originally voted for him have to be included in that drop. So first when they voted for him they were right, now all of the sudden they're inept? They all can't be wrong!
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2009, 07:49:47 PM
Ok, fine. He had the quickest approval rating drop in the history of the presidency, he started high (as expected) but has been steadly dropping every since with no rebound in sight as of now.

He's still at 50.  I mean, really... half of america loves the guy still.  What does he have to do to drop below 50%?  LOL...

Repubs shuld be WAy ahead right now.  If Obama goes moderate, declares win in afghanistan, kills bin laden, or gets an economic recovery (or something else we cannot predict), he'll move up.  I mean, imagine bin laden's dead body on the front page of the NY Times, with Obama detailing how his rampup in Afghan troops was the cause.  You know he'd jump 10 points overnight.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: George Whorewell on September 15, 2009, 08:16:40 PM
 ::)

Dude Bin Laden is probably dead already or if he's not Obama and his half ass tactics and unwillingness to go the extra mile like the Bush Admin did to get information ensure that he wont capture or kill him.

You have a poll @ 50% now... That does not mean that 50% love him at all. It means that 25% of that 50% is willing to give Obama some more time to prove himself.

If 8 months in, he only has a 50% approval rating, the war in Afghanistan is disaster, the economy is still shit, he has gone on a tax and spend rampage that most if not all of the independents that elected him detest, and the debate on healthcare makes him look less credible by the nanosecond and you have a recipe for disaster. And, the cherry on top is the fact that Congressional democrats ( you know, the ones that really control Obama) are almost certainly on the brink of losing control of both houses during the next election cycle. As I have been saying for months, he needs to toss a no-hitter from here on out. It's never been done before, but maybe the messiah will prove me wrong

Oh and PS- this acorn mess ( 7 Congressional democrats voted to continue giving Acorn tax payer money versus everyone in both parties voting no) does not make Obama or the democratic party look good at all.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 15, 2009, 08:21:20 PM
He's still at 50.  I mean, really... half of america loves the guy still.  What does he have to do to drop below 50%?  LOL...

Repubs shuld be WAy ahead right now.  If Obama goes moderate, declares win in afghanistan, kills bin laden, or gets an economic recovery (or something else we cannot predict), he'll move up.  I mean, imagine bin laden's dead body on the front page of the NY Times, with Obama detailing how his rampup in Afghan troops was the cause.  You know he'd jump 10 points overnight.

You do realize that 50% is horrible don't you?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2009, 08:27:14 PM
You do realize that 50% is horrible don't you?

Bush was just below 50 for the 2004 election, and won.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

Sure it sucks, but maybe he's unloading all the lib shit in year 1 before going moderate.

Im' not saying I agree with much of what he's doing.  Only that he's still way higher than he should be.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2009, 08:28:49 PM
You do realize that 50% is horrible don't you?

Actually, it looks like Bush as at 50 for at least half of his presidency.   It's not a popularity contest.  You have to do unpopular shit to make changes.  it's gonna alienate people, ever move you make.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: tonymctones on September 15, 2009, 08:31:50 PM
LOL TA ive shown you for a fool numerous times and even you cant deny that...

to think you think your smarter then most is extremely laughable education doesnt create intelligence TA even though youre educated your a moron and of average intelligence at best.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: The Luke on September 15, 2009, 08:35:36 PM
LOL TA ive shown you for a fool numerous times and even you cant deny that...

...maybe, but in this thread he made you look like a retard. See my above post.


The Luke
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: tonymctones on September 15, 2009, 08:43:25 PM
...maybe, but in this thread he made you look like a retard. See my above post.


The Luke
actually beck was citing someone else not claiming it he was saying that such and such claimed it

and this is coming from the person who doesnt understand why children of workers get provided healthcare?  ::)

get the fuck off this board jack ass theres enough ignorance spewing from TA, 240, lurker, and mons we dont need another idiot...
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: The Luke on September 15, 2009, 10:03:08 PM
actually beck was citing someone else not claiming it he was saying that such and such claimed it

...and which university did this amazingly accurate crowd estimate?


Face it, Beck and the other FOX Newsers were caught sourcing their info where they always source it... from the fevered imaginations of some right-wing pressue group.



The Lue
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: tonymctones on September 15, 2009, 10:45:32 PM
...and which university did this amazingly accurate crowd estimate?


Face it, Beck and the other FOX Newsers were caught sourcing their info where they always source it... from the fevered imaginations of some right-wing pressue group.



The Lue
LOL I guess msnbc is in on it too? They showed the same pics so why do you think they lied?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 15, 2009, 10:46:53 PM
...now this, ladies and gentlemen, is what scientists define as a "PWNING EVENT"!

tonymctones, go sit in the corner... you have been PWN3D.



The rest of this thread is equally hilarious... TA brutalising delusional right-wingers by contrasting their FOX News manufactured worldview with actual reality.

Obama's approval rating is still above 50%... despite the bailout; despite the recession/depression; despite 17% unemployment; despite the trillion dollar deficit... and most importantly, despite the very best efforts of the corporate bought-and-paid-for right wing mainstream media.

50% approval rating... despite being smeared with everything the right could ever possibly throw at him.


So even if they held another election tomorrow, Obama would still win.


And recent polls show 80% of doctors support healthcare reform, alongside 77% of regular Americans.

What if those 77% of Americans marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 230 million people fill?

What if just the uninsured marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 50 million people fill?



Face facts people... the GOP is finished... the Christian right is finished... all this noise is just the death throws of fear-bases resentment politics.

You will all have to accept reality eventually.


The Luke


Your answer makes no sense when you consider that in  TA's own words he suggests that  the majority of the public is mentally inept and are dimwits. So if the majority of "dimwits' approve of something, that's suppose to be a victory of some kind or prove a point?  
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 15, 2009, 10:47:09 PM
msn played a clip of glen beck on fox news, listing how he believes there were 1.7 milion there.  he detailed the 'body count' he uses to reach this number, dividing block by block.

So yeah dude, FOX did repeat the 1+ mil number
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 15, 2009, 11:13:04 PM
Mmmmm, and to think if it wasn't for Fox you would have never heard a peep about the whole Acorn fiasco especially about what's been exposed in the last few days. BTW, those arnt Becks number and who care if they were, wasn't it Axeldummy who estimated about 60K when there were much much more??
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: bigdumbbell on September 16, 2009, 04:27:12 AM
Um the cops said 1-2 million...and Malkin ran with that. ABC said the same thing based on what the cops said. It was about 70K pretty friggen big for a Conservative rally. Ur guy is failing miserably...no more hand outs.
all insurance company secretarys and clerical employees...what a joke. 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: BM OUT on September 16, 2009, 06:27:26 AM
Id love for some of these pussies to call someone teabagger to their face.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2009, 06:44:46 AM
Mmmmm, and to think if it wasn't for Fox you would have never heard a peep about the whole Acorn fiasco especially about what's been exposed in the last few days. BTW, those arnt Becks number and who care if they were

Olbermann, last night, played the clip from Beck where he did the math and determined there were 1.7 million people there.

On FOX.  He was on the air and said 1.7 million, which is more than showed up for the obama inauguration.  Photos show this to be wrong, as do most experts. 

But yes, instead of just saying "yeah, we dont know what the numbers were", or "Sure, 1.5 or 2 mil might have been pushing it", Beck ran with the lie and tried to prove it.


beck has some very good points.  He sholdn't cheapen himself by defending the fibbing organizer.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2009, 06:46:52 AM
Id love for some of these pussies to call someone teabagger to their face.

ooh, so they could punch them in the mouth and prove what, exactly?

Teabaggers, stop whining about how tough you are, how you want to kick someone's ass.

it's YOUR OWN FAULT Obama is in.  You let bush get away with anything for 8 years, and majority of Americans had enough.  maybe next time, you'll think twice about closing a blind eye to all the abuses of a repub and letting anti-repub sentiment grow to a point where you lose white house and both houses.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 16, 2009, 06:56:17 AM
Um the cops said 1-2 million...

They most certainly did not.

Get the facts straight first so you don't wind up looking more stupid than usual.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2009, 06:57:39 AM
Um the cops said 1-2 million...and Malkin ran with that. ABC said the same thing based on what the cops said. It was about 70K pretty friggen big for a Conservative rally. Ur guy is failing miserably...no more hand outs.

no dude.

Malkin said the organizer was 'in error'.

ABC NEVER printed 2 milion estimate.  It's been 4 days and nobody from the right can find the article.  It was a lie by an event organizer trying hard to sell his event as the biggest march in DC history, which it certainly was not.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 16, 2009, 07:00:11 AM
no dude.

Malkin said the organizer was 'in error'.

ABC NEVER printed 2 milion estimate.  It's been 4 days and nobody from the right can find the article.  It was a lie by an event organizer trying hard to sell his event as the biggest march in DC history, which it certainly was not.

Who cares about the actual number?

The point is this was a very succesful rally either way since the libs are irate, in a fit, and hyperventilating over it. 

That is my barometer of success for these things - the more the left hyperventilates over something like this, the more succesful we all know it is ans was. 

BTW - this will be even bigger next year.   
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2009, 07:05:02 AM
Who cares about the actual number?

All the people that gloated about it.

Organizer, Beck, Malkin, and you.

I didn't start a thread about how many people showed up - you did.  YOU made it a big bragging point.  THAT was your barometer for success.  Your title wasn't "awesome message spreads in DC".  Your thread title was "TWO MILLION PROTESTERS..."

That's why you're taking all the heat here.  if it was a legit 2 mil, we'd be hearing you talk for 2 weeks about how Beck got more ppl to show up than Obama, etc etc.

Instead, you're suddenly saying "Who cares about the actual number?"
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 16, 2009, 07:07:19 AM
I dont know the real number - but either way it was succesfull. 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 16, 2009, 07:07:33 AM
Who cares about the actual number?

The point is this was a very succesful rally either way since the libs are irate, in a fit, and hyperventilating over it. 

That is my barometer of success for these things - the more the left hyperventilates over something like this, the more succesful we all know it is ans was. 

BTW - this will be even bigger next year.   


YOU CARE!  Well you did until you found out your boasts were in the la-la land of typical conservative reality.  Now suddenly the numbers don't matter?  HAHAAHHAAAAAA  yeah.... right.  Whatever.

If the left is hyperventilating over the numbers it is due to laughter.  Nothing else.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2009, 07:12:06 AM
I dont know the real number - but either way it was succesfull. 

i agree it was successful.  I agree it shoud be bigger next year.

Hopefully, Beck will show up at his own event next time.  Hopefully, some people running for office will show up for the next one.  imagine a pawlenty or huntsman walking thru the park in DC with a million people chanting "Obama's gotta go", etc.

Still, I hope they get a better organizer next year who won't lie about the numbers.  that was an embarassment, and the only black eye on an otherwise very good event.  The left had nothing to play 'gotcha' with, until the organizer gift-wrapped a dumb-ass moment.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 16, 2009, 07:15:53 AM
i agree it was successful.  I agree it shoud be bigger next year.

Hopefully, Beck will show up at his own event next time.  Hopefully, some people running for office will show up for the next one.  imagine a pawlenty or huntsman walking thru the park in DC with a million people chanting "Obama's gotta go", etc.

Still, I hope they get a better organizer next year who won't lie about the numbers.  that was an embarassment, and the only black eye on an otherwise very good event.  The left had nothing to play 'gotcha' with, until the organizer gift-wrapped a dumb-ass moment.

240 - the right has never done this before and does not do rent-a-mob like the left does.

The left are pros at protests, this is only in its infancy for the right.   
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 16, 2009, 07:27:24 AM
The same numbers can be seen at Gay Prides and Million Man Marches.  So how successful are those events?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: BM OUT on September 16, 2009, 07:28:51 AM

YOU CARE!  Well you did until you found out your boasts were in the la-la land of typical conservative reality.  Now suddenly the numbers don't matter?  HAHAAHHAAAAAA  yeah.... right.  Whatever.

If the left is hyperventilating over the numbers it is due to laughter.  Nothing else.

The left is too busy hyperventilating over Obamas falling numbers and crying racism to worry about a march.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 16, 2009, 07:35:28 AM
The left is too busy hyperventilating over Obamas falling numbers and crying racism to worry about a march.

If that is the case then there would be no need to lie about the numbers would there?

Too bad it isn't so.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Kazan on September 16, 2009, 07:45:12 AM
What do you make of my previous post and how it relates to your untrue contention?


Look Gollum, you are the king of cut and paste, your not fooling anyone.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2009, 10:59:08 AM
I do and yes, the majority is by far below my level of intelligence.

Wow.  You think too highly of yourself.  Really smart people don't have to tell people how smart they are, or how dumb they think everyone else is. 

Also, I'd recommend you read Daniel Goleman's "Emotional Intelligence."   
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Butterbean on September 16, 2009, 12:22:42 PM
Ask me anything you`d like to hear my views on and I will respond.  I usually like to give facts and evidence to show why or how I arrived at my particular stance.






Do you think a Socialist Society is preferable to a Capitalist one for small business owners?  Why or why not?

Do you own your own business?


Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 16, 2009, 05:12:32 PM


Yes I do with a Socialist tax structure set up via a National Sales tax and the abolishment of the current tax code and income tax.

I also do have a side business with a little over in 120,000 in sales a year.  I deal in high end luxury goods of all kinds, including classic automobiles. 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 16, 2009, 05:13:48 PM
Wow.  You think too highly of yourself.  Really smart people don't have to tell people how smart they are, or how dumb they think everyone else is. 

Also, I'd recommend you read Daniel Goleman's "Emotional Intelligence."   
You should try this book.

(http://www.charlespierce.com/images/uploads//Covers/idiotamerica.jpg)
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2009, 05:41:53 PM
You should try this book.

(http://www.charlespierce.com/images/uploads//Covers/idiotamerica.jpg)

Nah.  I'll pass.  I have too much experience with people from all walks of life, from all around the country, to believe that most Americans are stupid. 

Sounds like you need to broaden your horizons. 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 16, 2009, 06:04:25 PM
Nah.  I'll pass.  I have too much experience with people from all walks of life, from all around the country, to believe that most Americans are stupid. 

Sounds like you need to broaden your horizons. 
Broaden in what manner?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2009, 06:38:49 PM
Broaden in what manner?

Interact with people.  At least more than you do now.  That could possibly cure the extreme level of arrogance you suffer from.   :) 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: garebear on September 16, 2009, 06:42:09 PM
I couldn`t care less what any rating reads as I do believe the majority of Americans are mentally inept.  Most even believe in an imaginary sky-god who has a zombie son that holds the key to survival once you are dead.  I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Hope this helps.

Great post.

Give 'em hell.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: garebear on September 16, 2009, 06:53:32 PM
You should try this book.

(http://www.charlespierce.com/images/uploads//Covers/idiotamerica.jpg)

Just ordered it.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: tonymctones on September 16, 2009, 10:00:00 PM
Interact with people.  At least more than you do now.  That could possibly cure the extreme level of arrogance you suffer from.   :) 
TA thinks that his education makes him more intelligent then others

he views those who hold opposing views as himself to be dumb and unintelligent...

again Ive said it before and im sure ill say it again TA comes on here with his arrogance only to show his ignorance...
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 16, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
TA thinks that his education makes him more intelligent then others

he views those who hold opposing views as himself to be dumb and unintelligent...

again Ive said it before and im sure ill say it again TA comes on here with his arrogance only to show his ignorance...
I do not think those who have opposing views to my own to be automatically dumb by default.  That is hardly the case.  I do however think someone is totally insane and ignorant after they are presented with undeniable fact and evidence, yet still cling to a belief or notion which is diametrically in opposition to everything clearly verifiable and indisputable with no basis or foothold to stand ground upon.

THIS is true ignorance and THAT is what the majority of Americans suffer from, choosing to be willfully complicit and ignorant in erring on everything except fact, evidence and reason.

Americans wouldn`t know what a primary source was even if they were talking to it.  8)
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 16, 2009, 10:44:30 PM
may be a lot of dumb fucks out there, no doubt.  but there's something extra sorry about the guy who's happy to proclaim they're smarter than most everyone else. 

bow down to the self proclaimed board geniuses:  Jag, BF and TA
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 16, 2009, 11:15:38 PM
may be a lot of dumb fucks out there, no doubt.  but there's something extra sorry about the guy who's happy to proclaim they're smarter than most everyone else. 

bow down to the self proclaimed board geniuses:  Jag, BF and TA
I disagree.  Why should intelligence be treated any different or as the elephant in the room when a multitude of other traits are freely held to comparative scrutiny.  Why do you think intelligence should not be held as a comparative trait, such as physical appearance or physical strength, singing ability, memory etc...

I do understand that intelligence is broad and elusive if we are trying to pin it down with a single set definition.  However, there are simple constants we can narrow down and certain aspects of knowledge that we SHOULD all posses by simply being alive and aware to which we can use as a measuring stick to somewhat order the collective intelligence of our brethren.

Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 16, 2009, 11:18:00 PM
may be a lot of dumb fucks out there, no doubt.  but there's something extra sorry about the guy who's happy to proclaim they're smarter than most everyone else. 

bow down to the self proclaimed board geniuses:  Jag, BF and TA
Are you more intelligent than the lot of, how did you put it, "dumbfucks out there" or do you consider yourself amongst them and no greater?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 16, 2009, 11:18:40 PM
I disagree.  Why should intelligence be treated any different or as the elephant in the room when a multitude of other traits are freely held to comparative scrutiny.  Why do you think intelligence should not be held as a comparative trait, such as physical appearance or physical strength, singing ability, memory etc...

I do understand that intelligence is broad and elusive if we are trying to pin it down with a single set definition.  However, there are simple constants we can narrow down and certain aspects of knowledge that we SHOULD all posses by simply being alive and aware to which we can use as a measuring stick to somewhat order the collective intelligence of our brethren.


there's nothing to disagree with.  nobody likes the guy who thinks he's the smartest in the room and lets everyone know it.  just a fact of life there TA...
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: garebear on September 16, 2009, 11:24:53 PM
TA thinks that his education makes him more intelligent then  others

he views those who hold opposing views as himself to be dumb and unintelligent...

again Ive said it before and im sure ill say it again TA comes on here with his arrogance only to show his ignorance...
well...maybe some.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 17, 2009, 06:40:38 AM
TA:

Since you are so quick to look down on others, why dont you give us a copy of your resume or list of accomplishments that you believe justify your high opinion of yourself?

What was your SAT score?
Have you completed Grad school?
What papaers or articles have you authored? 
What businesses have you run or started?
What awards have you been given?


Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The Luke on September 17, 2009, 06:54:52 AM
TA:

Since you are so quick to look down on others, why dont you give us a copy of your resume or list of accomplishments that you believe justify your high opinion of yourself?

What was your SAT score?
Have you completed Grad school?
What papaers or articles have you authored?  
What businesses have you run or started?
What awards have you been given?


...isn't it enough that he has put forward cogent logical arguments that you fools counter with nonsensical delusional parroted propoganda?

Reading this thread has conviced me he's certainly smarter than his detractors, who are now resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Can't counter the argument?



The Luke
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 17, 2009, 06:56:07 AM

...isn't it enough that he has put forward cogent logical arguments that you fools counter with nonsensical delusional parroted propoganda?

Reading this thread has conviced me he's certainly smarter than his detractors, who are now resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Can't couter the argument?



The Luke


No.  He cut and pastes everything. 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: George Whorewell on September 17, 2009, 07:01:17 AM
TA:

Since you are so quick to look down on others, why dont you give us a copy of your resume or list of accomplishments that you believe justify your high opinion of yourself?

What was your SAT score? TA was homeschooled- he taught himself how to read, write, do math and he single handedly mastered economics and the scientific method.
Have you completed Grad school? Yes-- But he was homeschooled, so the only college and grad school he could get into was the University of Phoenix
What papaers or articles have you authored?  Every week TA authors masterful manifesto's on the economy, socialism and how to lure 8 year olds into his tinted unmarked van with promises of ice cream. Unfortunetly, he ghostwrites these articles and he wants to keep his moniker secret.
What businesses have you run or started? He is currently in the process of selling his brilliant diet and training advice to weight watchers, and is pitching his version of the deep fryer to George Foreman-- He hopes to make his fryer on par with the same brand name recognition recieved by the George Foreman grill.
What awards have you been given? He placed at the Mr. Get Big bodybuilding competition a few years back.



Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: tonymctones on September 17, 2009, 07:08:53 AM
well...maybe some.
wooooowwwww you got me i mixed up then and than....ill go sit in the corner now  :-[

this is slightly different than  ;) TA coming on here with his ignorant ass assumptions and theories and then running off when proven wrong...
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 08:45:17 AM
wooooowwwww you got me i mixed up then and than....ill go sit in the corner now  :-[

this is slightly different than  ;) TA coming on here with his ignorant ass assumptions and theories and then running off when proven wrong...
When was I proven wrong and what was the topic at hand?  May I have a link please.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: tonymctones on September 17, 2009, 09:11:55 AM
When was I proven wrong and what was the topic at hand?  May I have a link please.
off the top of my head your theory that family values have only been around for 50 yrs or so...

im not going go dig it up you do it if you want to
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 10:19:43 AM
off the top of my head your theory that family values have only been around for 50 yrs or so...

im not going go dig it up you do it if you want to
Complete lie.  I have stated there is no clear definition of what constitutes family values time and time again.  Why do you want to misappropriate and even outright lie regarding what I write?  Perhaps you just failed to comprehend what I wrote.  I think you have demonstrated rather tersely why "idiot America" is idiot America.  You make something up, fool yourself into believing it is true, run with it and then spread it all the while NEVER bother checking with any source, fact or evidence.

You have to do better than this to shake off the stigma of being complicit and part of "Idiot America".
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 10:21:25 AM
Furthermore, what are known as "family values" are dictated by the zeitgeist in its time and NEVER have been constant throughout history.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 17, 2009, 10:35:09 AM
I do not think those who have opposing views to my own to be automatically dumb by default.  That is hardly the case.  I do however think someone is totally insane and ignorant after they are presented with undeniable fact and evidence, yet still cling to a belief or notion which is diametrically in opposition to everything clearly verifiable and indisputable with no basis or foothold to stand ground upon.

THIS is true ignorance and THAT is what the majority of Americans suffer from, choosing to be willfully complicit and ignorant in erring on everything except fact, evidence and reason.

Americans wouldn`t know what a primary source was even if they were talking to it.  8)

Ridiculous.  You don't think those with opposing views are dumb by default, but anyone who disagrees with what you consider "undeniable fact [sic] and evidence," is "totally insane and ignorant."  If you were as smart as you claim, you'd see the irreconcilable contradiction in that statement. 

Do you have a 160 IQ like Jag?   :) 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 10:37:50 AM
Ridiculous.  You don't think those with opposing views are dumb by default, but anyone who disagrees with what you consider "undeniable fact [sic] and evidence," is "totally insane and ignorant."  If you were as smart as you claim, you'd see the irreconcilable contradiction in that statement. 

Do you have a 160 IQ like Jag?   :) 
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 17, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

TA:

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Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Dos Equis on September 17, 2009, 10:42:05 AM
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that your contention makes no sense.  Everyone who disagrees with you is dumb by default.  

Maybe you should move to a country were most of the people aren't so stupid.  lol . . .  
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 10:43:50 AM
Which has nothing to do with the fact that your contention makes no sense.  Everyone who disagrees with you is dumb by default.  

Maybe you should move to a country were most of the people aren't so stupid.  lol . . .  
Shootfighter disagrees with me a lot, I have NEVER called him dumb or think of him in that way.  I don`t think you are dumb some of the time.   8)
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 10:44:59 AM
TA:

Chef
Economist
Chemist
Musician
Bodybuilder
Race Car Driver
Business Tycoon
Mathmetician
Biologist
Ethicist
Historian

________________________ ____

TA - is there anything you cant do? ? ?   
I can`t paint as well as my girlfriend or really at all.   :-\
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Buffgeek on September 17, 2009, 02:49:39 PM
...now this, ladies and gentlemen, is what scientists define as a "PWNING EVENT"!

tonymctones, go sit in the corner... you have been PWN3D.



The rest of this thread is equally hilarious... TA brutalising delusional right-wingers by contrasting their FOX News manufactured worldview with actual reality.

Obama's approval rating is still above 50%... despite the bailout; despite the recession/depression; despite 17% unemployment; despite the trillion dollar deficit... and most importantly, despite the very best efforts of the corporate bought-and-paid-for right wing mainstream media.

50% approval rating... despite being smeared with everything the right could ever possibly throw at him.


So even if they held another election tomorrow, Obama would still win.


And recent polls show 80% of doctors support healthcare reform, alongside 77% of regular Americans.

What if those 77% of Americans marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 230 million people fill?

What if just the uninsured marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 50 million people fill?



Face facts people... the GOP is finished... the Christian right is finished... all this noise is just the death throws of fear-bases resentment politics.

You will all have to accept reality eventually.


The Luke

So Obama barely won the election with 53% of the vote and his approval rating is down from 68%(ish) to 50-51% and you are saying he would still win today? Those numbers dont seem to add up.

And here is the beautiful statistical lie you guys love to spew....

I work in healthcare and I can confirm that 80% (or more) of doctors would like healthcare reform. Key word here is Healthcare Reform  80% of Doctors and 77% of Americans DONT want a goverment run Healthcare system or another bankrupt entitlement program, they want Reform. They want solutions to rising healthcare insurance costs.

Also of the 45 million uninsured about 10 million are here illegally putting the number at 35 million. Of that 35 million how many opt out of health insurance, but could pay for and just dont want it? 17 Million of the 35 million make over 50k a year or more...

"The National Center for Policy Analysis estimates that uninsured people get about $1,500 of free health care per year, or $6,000 per family of four. "


Also  AWESOME unprovoked jab at christians.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: The Luke on September 17, 2009, 03:42:57 PM
Buffgeek,


If you really do work in healthcare, then give us the inside scoop:

Who do the doctors and hospitals prefer dealing with, HMOs or Medicare?



The Luke
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Buffgeek on September 17, 2009, 04:46:11 PM
Buffgeek,


If you really do work in healthcare, then give us the inside scoop:

Who do the doctors and hospitals prefer dealing with, HMOs or Medicare?



The Luke


The providers I work with are primarily large private practices run by partnerships of the providers themselves.  Most of these practices lose money or break even with Medicare and several don't even accept medicare. The difference between a Medicare and say a Regence is that with Regence there is some negotiating room pricewise on the fee schedule. With Medicare they set the price and most often it doesnt cover the actual cost of the visit. Several doctors I know of in the area will accept a few medicare patients at a loss just to serve the community.

What drives up the cost on healthcare in speaking with the docs is the rediculous insurance they themselves have to pay just to practice medicine. The threat of getting sued for 300 million for screwing up. Most of the Doctors in this state stop delivering babies just for that reason. Tort reform is something very high most providers wishlist that I have talked to.

I can't speak on HMO's relating to providers as I don't work with them at all.

At one point my wife had that type of insurance and what I learned quickly is that HMO's are an insurance ran cookie cutter assembly line medical service designed to cut the costs for the insurance carrier. The theory bieng poor people still need healthcare too and the service can suck because their patients can't afford to go elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: headhuntersix on September 17, 2009, 04:55:17 PM
TA...take a lesson from this last post...thats what I'm talking about...an original post based on life experience. No cut and paste...actual paragraphs worth of information.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
TA...take a lesson from this last post...thats what I'm talking about...an original post based on life experience. No cut and paste...actual paragraphs worth of information.
Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Skip8282 on September 17, 2009, 05:19:43 PM
Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.

You mean a man of your amazingly high intellectual prowess and cultured sophistication stooped as low as working amongst us dimwits?  Was it for a sociology project?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 17, 2009, 05:40:54 PM
TA:

Chef
Economist
Chemist
Musician
Bodybuilder
Race Car Driver
Business Tycoon
Mathmetician
Biologist
Ethicist
Historian

________________________ ____

TA - is there anything you cant do? ? ?   


Yeah, be modest.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 17, 2009, 05:42:52 PM
Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.

Was that before or after you were a "demolition machine handler".
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 17, 2009, 05:49:09 PM
I have a question for you TA.

 Do you ever get confused running a window for getbig, a window for a Thesaurus.com, one for Dictionary.com and also Wikipedia all at the same time?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: The Luke on September 17, 2009, 06:10:11 PM
What drives up the cost on healthcare in speaking with the docs is the rediculous insurance they themselves have to pay just to practice medicine. The threat of getting sued for 300 million for screwing up. Most of the Doctors in this state stop delivering babies just for that reason. Tort reform is something very high most providers wishlist that I have talked to.

...over here doctors are allowed to group together to form a single body with which to purchase malpractice insurance. That keeps insurance costs extremely low for the doctors... but if it's good for doctors, it's equally valid for patients.

Medicare patients would be profitable if doctors didn't have to pay huge insurance overheads in order to practice (I believe malpractice insurance can be somewhere in the region of 40% to 60% of a doctors gross income depending on the state?).


But what you miss here is that the ONLY ones doing well under this system are the insurance companies.

They screw the patients, screw the doctors (malpractice), screw the taxpayer and profit from screwing the system.


Your post is actually making my point for me... you're just locked into the mindset of thinking INSIDE the system: we need reform; we need to tweak this; we need to fix that.

Fuck reform, fuck legislative provisions: eliminate the parasites feeding on the system (and I don't mean illegals).

What America needs to do is outlaw these insurance companies altogether.

They provide NO SERVICE.

All they do is step between patients and doctors and skim off the top on every transaction.


But they have you all so misinformed and terrified that you all react with predictable knee-jerk adversarial aggression. Everyone afraid to lose what little they have, each side attacking the other... nobody looking behind the curtain.

The Fench system WORKS... STEAL IT!

Most European systems WORK... STEAL ONE OF THOSE!

Even the Canadian system WORKS... STEAL THAT!


At the rate this situation is exacerbating, in another twenty years you'll all be paying half of your salaries to insurance companies (I use HMO as a catch-all term) just to be included in a yearly lottery wherein one lucky American wins a visit to a witch doctor.


The Luke
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 17, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
...over here doctors are allowed to group together to form a single body with which to purchase malpractice insurance. That keeps insurance costs extremely low for the doctors... but if it's good for doctors, it's equally valid for patients.

Medicare patients would be profitable if doctors didn't have to pay huge insurance overheads in order to practice (I believe malpractice insurance can be somewhere in the region of 40% to 60% of a doctors gross income depending on the state?).


But what you miss here is that the ONLY ones doing well under this system are the insurance companies.

They screw the patients, screw the doctors (malpractice), screw the taxpayer and profit from screwing the system.


Your post is actually making my point for me... you're just locked into the mindset of thinking INSIDE the system: we need reform; we need to tweak this; we need to fix that.

Fuck reform, fuck legislative provisions: eliminate the parasites feeding on the system (and I don't mean illegals).

What America needs to do is outlaw these insurance companies altogether.

They provide NO SERVICE.

All they do is step between patients and doctors and skim off the top on every transaction.


But they have you all so misinformed and terrified that you all react with predictable knee-jerk adversarial aggression. Everyone afraid to lose what little they have, each side attacking the other... nobody looking behind the curtain.

The Fench system WORKS... STEAL IT!

Most European systems WORK... STEAL ONE OF THOSE!

Even the Canadian system WORKS... STEAL THAT!


At the rate this situation is exacerbating, in another twenty years you'll all be paying half of your salaries to insurance companies (I use HMO as a catch-all term) just to be included in a yearly lottery wherein one lucky American wins a visit to a witch doctor.


The Luke

Tone it down a bit buddy. Take a Valium.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: garebear on September 17, 2009, 08:07:30 PM
Tone it down a bit buddy. Take a Valium.
Right. We don't want coherent and logical argument getting in our way.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: garebear on September 17, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
Uh,
I worked for United Health Insurance.

What's your take on 911?

Inside job, Bush let it happen, Al Qaeda just got through, etc.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: tonymctones on September 17, 2009, 08:37:03 PM
You mean a man of your amazingly high intellectual prowess and cultured sophistication stooped as low as working amongst us dimwits?  Was it for a sociology project?
hahahah just wanted to point out the humor that everyone looked over  ;D
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 17, 2009, 09:13:27 PM
Right. We don't want coherent and logical argument getting in our way.

Don't you have some sandbags to fill?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 09:17:17 PM
You mean a man of your amazingly high intellectual prowess and cultured sophistication stooped as low as working amongst us dimwits?  Was it for a sociology project?
Summer job while in school.  My friend`s father was head of HR and we both used to screw off there while denying people coverage.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 17, 2009, 09:23:19 PM
What's your take on 911?

Inside job, Bush let it happen, Al Qaeda just got through, etc.
Isolated incident that could have been perpetrated by anyone so inclined to carry it out.  Security was lax and somewhat of a joke in airports in 2001 and could have been easily pulled off by anyone daring enough to do so.

Al-Quadea is a joke and Bush was caught with his pants down when he should have been paying attention to memos, specifically ones that highlight an attack with an airliner into a building.  Bush surely is not to blame though at all for the actual attack.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 17, 2009, 09:29:52 PM
When was I proven wrong and what was the topic at hand?  May I have a link please.
proven you are wrong and admitting you are wrong are not the same thing.  You've probably never admitted to being wrong Mr. Junk Food is Good For You... lol...
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: tonymctones on September 17, 2009, 10:08:19 PM
proven you are wrong and admitting you are wrong are not the same thing.  You've probably never admitted to being wrong Mr. Junk Food is Good For You... lol...
100 rep set deadlift  ;D
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: The True Adonis on September 18, 2009, 12:37:47 AM
proven you are wrong and admitting you are wrong are not the same thing.  You've probably never admitted to being wrong Mr. Junk Food is Good For You... lol...
There is no such thing as junk food.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 18, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
There is no such thing as junk food.
::)  I rest my case...
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2009, 05:16:29 AM
There is no such thing as junk food.

I forgot to add to my list TA: 

Dietician
Nutritionist
Doctor
Inventor

___________________

TA: is there anything you are NOT an expert in? 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Butterbean on September 18, 2009, 07:24:39 AM
Yes I do with a Socialist tax structure set up via a National Sales tax and the abolishment of the current tax code and income tax.

I also do have a side business with a little over in 120,000 in sales a year.  I deal in high end luxury goods of all kinds, including classic automobiles.  

Thanks for the answers TA.

What percentage would the National Sales Tax be?

What kind of profit did you make on your side business?  Is that the ebay business?
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 18, 2009, 07:25:38 AM
Thanks for the answers TA.

What percentage would the National Sales Tax be?

What kind of profit did you make on your side business?  Is that the ebay business?

TA is the ultimate Renaissance Man! 
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbe
Post by: tonymctones on September 18, 2009, 08:13:10 AM
TA is the ultimate Renaissance Man! 
lol jack of all trades but an ace of none...
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: Buffgeek on September 18, 2009, 09:27:10 AM
...over here doctors are allowed to group together to form a single body with which to purchase malpractice insurance. That keeps insurance costs extremely low for the doctors... but if it's good for doctors, it's equally valid for patients.

Medicare patients would be profitable if doctors didn't have to pay huge insurance overheads in order to practice (I believe malpractice insurance can be somewhere in the region of 40% to 60% of a doctors gross income depending on the state?).


But what you miss here is that the ONLY ones doing well under this system are the insurance companies.

They screw the patients, screw the doctors (malpractice), screw the taxpayer and profit from screwing the system.


Your post is actually making my point for me... you're just locked into the mindset of thinking INSIDE the system: we need reform; we need to tweak this; we need to fix that.

Fuck reform, fuck legislative provisions: eliminate the parasites feeding on the system (and I don't mean illegals).

What America needs to do is outlaw these insurance companies altogether.

They provide NO SERVICE.

All they do is step between patients and doctors and skim off the top on every transaction.


But they have you all so misinformed and terrified that you all react with predictable knee-jerk adversarial aggression. Everyone afraid to lose what little they have, each side attacking the other... nobody looking behind the curtain.

The Fench system WORKS... STEAL IT!

Most European systems WORK... STEAL ONE OF THOSE!

Even the Canadian system WORKS... STEAL THAT!


At the rate this situation is exacerbating, in another twenty years you'll all be paying half of your salaries to insurance companies (I use HMO as a catch-all term) just to be included in a yearly lottery wherein one lucky American wins a visit to a witch doctor.


The Luke

See here is the thing. I think we have one of the best healthcare systems in the world, and I dont want that to change and I am sure the vast majorityof people in this country would not be happy with an HMO type system as well.

My wife belongs to several "mommy boards" and she hears numerous complaints from women all over the world about problems with their healthcare systems. Several of them have flown to the states to have procedures done.

I agree that the Insurance companies are making out like bandits, but what is the cause of this? Would malpractice insurance be so high if someone couldnt sue for 30 million because their little toe got cut? Obviously their are Valid cases such as wrongful death and other serious injuries, but there is no limit to how much can be given in such cases and that is like insuring a crab fisherman.

One of the things my state has done, but has not expanded upon is a program called Simple Care. Simplecare is a program that allows you to directly pay your medical provider at a reduced rate and avoid going through insurance. Why cant we expand upon that?

Also why not make insurance companies more competative with one another? Allow insurance across state lines? Its just like any business, the more competition there is, the better the consumer makes out. Any monopoly allows complete control of a product, its quality and its pricing.
Title: Re: Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?
Post by: garebear on September 24, 2009, 08:29:42 PM
Back when Beck was simply a coked-out zoo-style morning talk jock on a Kentucky station — rather than a national political philosopher — he regularly mimicked African-American speech patterns for fun. "He used to do a funny 'black guy' character, really over the top," recalls one of his former colleagues, quoted by biographer Alexander Zaitchik in a fascinating Salon.com profile.

Beck also became a devotee of the Mormon crank author and conspiracy theorist W. Cleon Skousen, whose writings he enthusiastically promotes to this day. Among Skousen's pet theories was that Southern slave owners were actually the victims of the plantation system, which according to him favored the lazy and pampered slaves, whose children he called "pickaninnies." Like his ultra-right friends in the John Birch Society and kindred groups, Skousen was a dedicated foe of civil rights legislation.