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I have been a fan of MMA since the first UFC back in 1993. I have watched pretty much every relevant fight from all fighting organizations since.
Of all the fights I've ever see, this one was the greatest. It happened in PRIDE FC in 2005, for the heavyweight title, between Fedor and Crocop. This was also Fedor's toughest fight ever. He walked all over Nog twice, but he had to sweat and lose blood to defeat Mirko. He is, after all, the greatest leg striker ever and easily one of the top 5 hand striker as well. I remember that I bought the event on pay-per-view with one month left to the fight day, and it was worth every penny.
Here is the introduction: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R22RBq66LU&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R22RBq66LU&feature=fvsr)
And here is the fight: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdEMOrKB6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdEMOrKB6M)
PS . Fedor has the coolest intro song ever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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scale any cliffs one-handed recently, Gorilla monsoon?
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This isn't the greatest fight ever
great hype but not a great fight
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I wonder if 380 lbs special forces martial artist/cliff-scaler extraordinaire SUCKMYMUSCLE would have any trouble demolishing Fedor in under a minute?
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This isn't the greatest fight ever
great hype but not a great fight
X2. Cro Cop couldn't do shit
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This isn't the greatest fight ever
great hype but not a great fight
You are a moron. Nothing further to add to this comment.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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X2. Cro Cop couldn't do shit
Lol, you can't compare the washed up Crocop that fights today in the UFC with prime Crocop. Mirko is shit compared to what he used to be. A prime Crocop would easily defeat all of the current UFC heavyweights with the possible exception of Brock.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You are a moron. Nothing further to add to this comment.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
listen, I'm a huge CroCop fan but he was on his bicycle during a good majority of that fight
the greatest fight I ever saw was sakuraba vs newton in PRIDE 5 (I'm not sure it was 5 but it was a early PRIDE)
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Wrong, this is the greatest fight ever, its never shown due to Mcclellan getting brain damage from it, Benn the Super Middle weight champ and British, vs the biggest puncher in boxing and the amercan middleweight champ mclellan, mccellan collapses in the ring at the end of the fight.
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WTF is with the ref butting in all the time? I think McClellan works for RJ Jr now
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WTF is with the ref butting in all the time? I think McClellan works for RJ Jr now
Mcclellan is a vegetable now, deaf and blind, in a wheelchair with limited functions.
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fedor vs crocop was epic.
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Mcclellan now
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Mcclellan now
holy shit :o
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Man, that made me want 2 cry. Poor guy but im sure it was what he loved doing.
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Mcclellan now
That sucks...but I hope it was worth it.
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That sucks...but I hope it was worth it.
Yeah, I'm sort of at a loss for words. I would think that prior to his fight had he known this would be the result, he probably would say it would be worth it? But now, it's sad to see the guy can't even remember the past 30secs of his life. :(
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(http://www.freespiritart.com/images/german-shepherd-art-print.jpg)
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Yeah, I'm sort of at a loss for words. I would think that prior to his fight had he known this would be the result, he probably would say it would be worth it? But now, it's sad to see the guy can't even remember the past 30secs of his life. :(
Thing is, I've been a fight fan (mostly in the past), and I would be alright if there were no more "fighting" sports. Why? Because of shit like this. I wonder if these guys really give any thought to what they are doing to themselves and each other. Is it worth it?
Shit, some make some insane amounts of money, while other are fortunate to get ANYTHING. I wouldn't risk my brains and health over money. My health is my biggest asset. What's the point of having wealth, if you're not healthy?
Now how is this guy financially? Is he okay, did he do alright when he was in his prime? He's gotta be taken care of 24 hours a day.
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Thing is, I've been a fight fan (mostly in the past), and I would be alright if there were no more "fighting" sports. Why? Because of shit like this. I wonder if these guys really give any thought to what they are doing to themselves and each other. Is it worth it?
Shit, some make some insane amounts of money, while other are fortunate to get ANYTHING. I wouldn't risk my brains and health over money. My health is my biggest asset. What's the point of having wealth, if you're not healthy?
Now how is this guy financially? Is he okay, did he do alright when he was in his prime? He's gotta be taken care of 24 hours a day.
He's broke. RJ was doing something for him, which was I thought he was working for RJ
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He's broke. RJ was doing something for him, which was I thought he was working for RJ
Wow...even worse. Fucking shame.
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Nigel Benn v Chris Eubank in 1993 was one of the greatest fights ever IMO - those guys were slugging each other non stop for 12 rounds right from the get-go. I think Eubank won on points in the end.
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Nigel Benn v Chris Eubank in 1993 was one of the greatest fights ever IMO - those guys were slugging each other non stop for 12 rounds right from the get-go. I think Eubank won on points in the end.
Eubank stopped him in round 9.
Good book about Benn v McClellen:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Baby-Violence-Kevin-Mitchell/dp/0224060724/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255338059&sr=8-5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Baby-Violence-Kevin-Mitchell/dp/0224060724/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255338059&sr=8-5)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Yw4OcjDKL._SS500_.jpg)
Does paint McClellen as a bit of a cunt, though.
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Eubank stopped him in round 9.
Good book about Benn v McClellen:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Baby-Violence-Kevin-Mitchell/dp/0224060724/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255338059&sr=8-5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Baby-Violence-Kevin-Mitchell/dp/0224060724/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255338059&sr=8-5)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Yw4OcjDKL._SS500_.jpg)
Does paint McClellen as a bit of a cunt, though.
You have time to read? thought you would be busy making sure the lads got their exercise
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You have time to read? thought you would be busy making sure the lads got their exercise
What can I say? I just take a very active interest in the health of the youth of today.
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Greatest MMA fight ever: Big Nog vs. Bob Sapp
Favorite Boxing fight for me: Morales vs. Barrerra I
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Mirko was a broken man afterwards. . Right after the fight ended he was caught on tape (while walking out of the arena ) telling one of his entourage that something is broken-mentally.
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X2. Cro Cop couldn't do shit
??? ???
Crop cop was an AMAZING fighter On roids though.
CAnt do shit in the ufc of them.
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??? ???
Crop cop was an AMAZING fighter On roids though.
CAnt do shit in the ufc of them.
Cro Cop couldnt do shit in the Fedor fight
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??? ???
Crop cop was an AMAZING fighter On roids though.
CAnt do shit in the ufc of them.
It is a lot more than the gear.
The brain, the knees, the training and recovery methods.
Look at CCs footwork and movement, his bodycomposition
upperbody is bigger than his juicing days, legs are half the size.
Waste of time explaining it in detail on GB thou.
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Cro Cop couldnt do shit in the Fedor fight
NO ONE can do shit vs fedor you retard
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NO ONE can do shit vs fedor you retard
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Thanks for the insight, hobbit
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It is a lot more than the gear.
The brain, the knees, the training and recovery methods.
Look at CCs footwork and movement, his bodycomposition
upperbody is bigger than his juicing days, legs are half the size.
Waste of time explaining it in detail on GB thou.
Yes., Hes Not the same crocop, aas plays a big role probably also. Probably more due to recovery time etc
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Mcclellan is a vegetable now, deaf and blind, in a wheelchair with limited functions.
Yeah they had a programme where Benn went to visit the guy who's life he basically ended. It was interesting as Benn got a lot of flack at the time for continuing to celebrate even after they knew McClellan may not ever wake up properly.
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Wrong, this is the greatest fight ever, its never shown due to Mcclellan getting brain damage from it, Benn the Super Middle weight champ and British, vs the biggest puncher in boxing and the amercan middleweight champ mclellan, mccellan collapses in the ring at the end of the fight.
This is why I don't watch boxing. Boxing, by it's very rules, compeles the fighters to strike each other in the head. Boxing, in fact, is about seeing which fighter can shock the other fighter's brain the most and induce a coma. This is what KO is. Horrendous sport. I prefer MMA because it;s more interesting to watch as the fighters can use their entire bodies in the fight and fight both standing and on the ground. The other reason, of course, is that because they have so many options to defeat the opponent, there are far less direct strikes to the head. Most MMA fights start with a few minutes of punches and kicks thrown to the head and body fllowed by a leverage fight on the ground. And most KO in MMA are not KO at all, because the judge interrups the fight after it's clear that one of the fighters won't fight back due to the opponent being far superior. The reason why I rate the Fedor vs crocop fight as the best ever is due to the enormous amoung of striking and cunter striking from both sides as well as the awesome ground game of Fedor. This is it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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fedor just got too much feul in the tank and i dont mean roids, that dude look like he can eat guy household
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I have been a fan of MMA since the first UFC back in 1993. I have watched pretty much every relevant fight from all fighting organizations since.
Of all the fights I've ever see, this one was the greatest. It happened in PRIDE FC in 2005, for the heavyweight title, between Fedor and Crocop. This was also Fedor's toughest fight ever. He walked all over Nog twice, but he had to sweat and lose blood to defeat Mirko. He is, after all, the greatest leg striker ever and easily one of the top 5 hand striker as well. I remember that I bought the event on pay-per-view with one month left to the fight day, and it was worth every penny.
Here is the introduction: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R22RBq66LU&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R22RBq66LU&feature=fvsr)
And here is the fight: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdEMOrKB6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdEMOrKB6M)
PS . Fedor has the coolest intro song ever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
NEITHER could touch this guy ;D
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NEITHER could touch this guy ;D
Yes, a gorilla would rip Fedor's head of, take a dump down his throat and then use Fedor's skin to wipe it's ass.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, a gorilla would rip Fedor's head of, take a dump down his throat and then use Fedor's skin to wipe it's ass.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That's a sick ass pic no?
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That's a sick ass pic no?
Yes a gorilla could clean and jerk 5,600 lbs according to experts.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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NEITHER could touch this guy ;D
Bullshit. Suckmymuscle broke a German Shepherd's back with his bare hands. He should be able to last a round or two with a gorilla.
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Bullshit. Suckmymuscle broke a German Shepherd's back with his bare hands. He should be able to last a round or two with a gorilla.
Ralph Gracie choked a pitt-bull out ;)
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Also one of the best fights ever due to the INSANE intensity and Insane "ko" recovery from guida
I cant fucking understand how he got up from the face kick lol.
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Brock Lesnar will crush these punks
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Wrong, this is the greatest fight ever, its never shown due to Mcclellan getting brain damage from it, Benn the Super Middle weight champ and British, vs the biggest puncher in boxing and the amercan middleweight champ mclellan, mccellan collapses in the ring at the end of the fight.
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wrong....there was so much home cooking in this fight. please. not even close to greatest fight ever.
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Brock Lesnar will crush these punks
HELL YES
Come November 21 hes gonna KILL Carwin.
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HELL YES
Come November 21 hes gonna KILL Carwin.
X3.1
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Mmmmm. Hard to say.
Fighter without ground technic...... :-\
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Mmmmm. Hard to say.
Fighter without ground technic...... :-\
Define "technic".
He doesnt have great BJJ because he hasn't trained BJJ, But be OWNED a BJJ black belt. And you dont do that without "technic".
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Define "technic".
He doesnt have great BJJ because he hasn't trained BJJ, But be OWNED a BJJ black belt. And you dont do that without "technic".
How big is that BJJ guy?
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How big is that BJJ guy?
6"1 250
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6"1 250
How do you think about that BBJ against Fedor?
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How do you think about that BBJ against Fedor?
very good question, Fedor has owned bjj black belts before though, and is better then mir standing, so I would say fedor.
and its BJJ not BBJ kyomu san ;D ;D
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very good question, Fedor has owned bjj black belts before though, and is better then mir standing, so I would say fedor.
and its BJJ not BBJ kyomu san ;D ;D
Haha,Brazilian JiuJitsu :)
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very good question, Fedor has owned bjj black belts before though, and is better then mir standing, so I would say fedor.
and its BJJ not BBJ kyomu san ;D ;D
How do you think about Minotauro?
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How do you think about Minotauro?
Now days he wouldnt stand a chance..
Minotauro has lasted all three rounds the two times they fought though =)
Mostly because nog can take soooo much punishment lol
you should love nog though? heart of a LION.
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Brock Lesnar will crush these punks
Yes, Lesnar with his impressive 4-1 record vs Fedor's 31-1. Seriously, Brock would win if he survived the first minute or two of the fight and Fedor failed to take him to the ground. Fedor has the power to knock Brock out, but if he doesen't do it in the first minutes Brock will KO him. If Fedor takes the fight to the ground, Brock is defeated. Fedor's submissions are too much for anyone, especially for a guy like Brock. In his first fight with Mir, he lost to a knee lock. But yeah, if Fedor doesen't KO Brock in the frist minutes or takes him to the ground, Brock will win. Brock is simply too strong and powerful for anyone. There is no way that Fedor would be able to win a protracted striking match with Brock because his punches are just as powerful as Fedor's except that Brock gives those punches much faster than Fedor. Fedor is not a very good striker. In the fight against Arlovski, he was losing until he put him to sleep by hitting Arlovski in the chin. He has great power, but he's not a great striker.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, Lesnar with his impressive 4-1 record vs Fedor's 31-1. Seriously, Brock would win if he survived the first minute or two of the fight and Fedor failed to take him to the ground. Fedor has the power to knock Brock out, but if he doesen't do it in the first minutes Brock will KO him. If Fedor takes the fight to the ground, Brock is defeated. Fedor's submissions are too much for anyone, especially for a guy like Brock. In his first fight with Mir, he lost to a knee lock. But yeah, if Fedor doesen't KO Brock in the frist minutes or takes him to the ground, Brock will win. Brock is simply too strong and powerful for anyone. There is no way that Fedor would be able to win a protracted striking match with Brock because his punches are just as powerful as Fedor's except that Brock gives those punches much faster than Fedor. Fedor is not a very good striker. In the fight against Arlovski, he was losing until he put him to sleep by hitting Arlovski in the chin. He has great power, but he's not a great striker.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Or Brock just takes him down, smothers him and just neutralizes his ground game with his pure mass and strenght like he did with Mir.
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Or Brock just takes him down, smothers him and just neutralizes his ground game with his pure mass and strenght like he did with Mir.
Wow!!! Sweede you really love to suck Caucasian c*ck.
First was Wolf, Wolf will do this, Wolf will do that. He did sh*t.
Now Lesnar, lets wait and see what happens.
And just because someone has a black belt, that doesn't meant sh*t.
Black belt you can have one in couple of months, pay and that's it.
You will be a shitty black belt, but you will have one.
Come to Brazil and you will see blue belts submitting Brown and black belts.
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Or Brock just takes him down, smothers him and just neutralizes his ground game with his pure mass and strenght like he did with Mir.
Now you're just breing a delusional fanboy. Brock wouldn't last on the ground against Fedor. Watch his first fight with Mir and it ended in minutes with Brock tapping out to a knee lock. And you can't compare Mir to Fedor. Mir is a third-tier fighter at best, whilst Fedor is a three time PRIDE FC heavyweight champion and so far has crushed not one, not two, not even three, but seven former UFC heavyweight champions, most of them by submissions. The problem with equating Mir's defeat to Lesnar on the ground and extrapoling that Fedor would be defeated for the same reasons Mir was is twofold:
1. Fedor is much stronger than Mir.
2. Fedor is much, much better at submissions than Mir.
In reality apples and oranges. Brock Lesnar is very beatable on the ground, where his power is mostly neutralized and leverage comes into play. Now, if Fedor doesen't take Brock to the ground or KO him in the first minute or so like he did to Arlovski, then Brock will KO Fedor or win by points. Brock is ridiculously strong. No fighter, not even Fedor, would survive a protracted striking match against him. Fedor has the power to knock Brock out, but he has to do it fast or Brocks's punches are going to crush him. Fedor is not a good striker. What he has is great power. In the figt against Arlovski he was taking a beating until he put Arlovski to sleep with a punch to the chin. The fact he struggled against Arlovski suggests he wouldn't last against Brock Lesnar standing up because Lesnar is just as fast in delivering punches as Arlovski and his strikes are much more powerful. Fedor needs to finish it fast or take him to the ground.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I disagree with peoples assessment of Lesnar/ Fedor completely.
Lesnar doesnt have enough of a body of work, or enough of a resume to accurately calculate how a fight with Fedor would go. Really, Lesnar has not been tested yet at all. Nobody has really pushed the pace with Lesnar and tested his conditioning. Nobody has really traded with Lesnar and tested his chin. And after 5 fights, ( 2 of them which came against Frank Mir) it is impossible to predict how a fight with Fedor might go.
Thats what makes the fight with Carwin so compelling. Another big guy with great power, a good chin, good wrestling and a legit record. If Lesnar beats Carwin ( and depending on how) I think we might be able to have a serious discussion about him being able to beat Fedor. Until then, its like comparing a rookie pitcher who wins his first Cy young against Bob Gibson or Tom Seaver.
Striking, Fedor is much better. Lesnar is slower, less coordinated and so far his punching power has been utilized against Frank Mir and a washed up Texas Crazy Horse ( I dont mean ground and pound, I mean standing and striking.).
On the ground, its not even worth waisting the time to debate. Fedor has the best submissions out of any heavyweight in MMA history, except for Minotauro imo.
Experience, heart, intelligence in the ring, versatility= Fedor, Fedor, Fedor, Fedor.
Lesnar has two distinct advantages= Size/ Strength and pure wrestling. Thats it.
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Wow!!! Sweede you really love to suck Caucasian c*ck.
First was Wolf, Wolf will do this, Wolf will do that. He did sh*t.
Now Lesnar, lets wait and see what happens.
And just because someone has a black belt, that doesn't meant sh*t.
Black belt you can have one in couple of months, pay and that's it.
You will be a shitty black belt, but you will have one.
Come to Brazil and you will see blue belts submitting Brown and black belts.
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Well, you got to admit that Lesnar makes BJJ irrelevant with his strength and wrestling skills. You can't give a submission if your opponent holds your arms down whilst laying on top of you.
SUCMYMUSCLE
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Out of curiosity how do you know Fedor is much stronger than Mir? :-\