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Who was the better of two?
Discuss.....
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Who was the better of two?
Discuss.....
Vince did much better as a pro
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taylor
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Cormier was proof of what a lazy n***** gets when he has all the potential, but no real work ethic.... 8)
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Chris Cormier had a better physique imo
6 time asc runner up, shud of won it in 04
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arnold classic 1994
first out vince taylor
second out aaron baker
third out chris cormier
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Vince did much better as a pro
And was at least a dozen years older than Chris.
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who the fuck start threads like this seriously..
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who the fuck start threads like this seriously..
Insane eh? Wanting to get a discussion on a comparison between TWO PRO bodyuilders, on a bodybuilding forum. Who would have thought???? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Vince Taylor
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theoretically CC had better structure, so for me CC - but perhaps their contest records say otherwise
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as good as chris was at the 99 O, (probably his career best shape) Taylor was better.
better everything really. better calves, legs, way better arms, better abs, better back you name it.
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as good as chris was at the 99 O, (probably his career best shape) Taylor was better.
better everything really. better calves, legs, way better arms, better abs, better back you name it.
X2 I can agree this time
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theoretically CC had better structure, so for me CC - but perhaps their contest records say otherwise
how does he have a better structure thanvince taylor....?????
taylor by a country mile..
cormier is overated
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as good as chris was at the 99 O, (probably his career best shape) Taylor was better.
better everything really. better calves, legs, way better arms, better abs, better back you name it.
Vince always reminded me of a bulked up version of Robby Robinson.
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who the fuck start threads like this seriously..
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who gets rid of their tv so they can post all day on a "gay" bodybuilding forum seriously...
maybe some psychology books will help you figure that out, right?
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oh cormier is better
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how does he have a better structure thanvince taylor....?????
taylor by a country mile..
cormier is overated
Taylors legs were undersized and I don't think he ever held as much beef as CC. No CC has much better legs.
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the 99' Mr. O version of CC would have beaten anything that Taylor ever brought to the stage. still... both were lazy dudes.
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Taylors legs were undersized and I don't think he ever held as much beef as CC. No CC has much better legs.
and cormier arms are undersized
arms are the show pieceof bbing
cormiers didn't pop no roundness
I think chriss is very overated
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Vince. Especially with the pirate eye patch.
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his arms look fine here
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If they competed against each other at their best shapes, Chris would win it hands down. But he was never consistent unlike Vince who was.
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chris doesn't have the WOW factor. (great body nonetheless)
Vince got those great arms.
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not bad here either
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Vince did much better as a pro
How do you figure?
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I would have to go with Vince personally but I think Cormier had better results as a pro (not including the Masters O of course).
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How do you figure?
He's won more pro shows than any other pro bodybuilder, except Kevin Levrone and Ronnie, including the NOC and the Arnold Classic.
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He's won more pro shows than any other pro bodybuilder, except Kevin Levrone and Ronnie, including the NOC and the Arnold Classic.
I guess I just prefer Chris' physique...
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I guess I just prefer Chris' physique...
I was just clarifying your question addressed to ND, as to what he meant by saying Vince did better as a pro.
Peak Cormier would have too much size for Vince Taylor to handle and would beat him. Vince's quads and back were nothing special, while both were strong points for Cormier.
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CC had the type of physique that one could keep adding muscle to, he had the potential to be another Ronnie, but I think the 6 ASC 2nd place finishes really fucked up his head, because 2 of those (against Cutler, he outright won them), seriously he beat Cutler from the front and when they turned around, Cutler's severe lack of back detail was very noticable.
Cormier had a better structure, and he was still growing, he could have been 275 and looked great, he had Better abs than Taylor, better back, better legs (thigh rods were insane) arms were a draw, chest as well, they both had great calves.
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Chris never came in dry and shredded to the bone.
Venice Beach in the 90's killed a lot of bodybuilders chance of greatness.
Too much distraction
Dillet, Flex, Cormier......
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its a tie
since both are broke
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its a tie
since both are broke
I don't think Vince is broke, do you have any proof that he is.
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Aaron Baker was better than them both. One of the most underrated BB'er there ever was.......WBF screwed up any and all chances....
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I was just clarifying your question addressed to ND, as to what he meant by saying Vince did better as a pro.
Peak Cormier would have too much size for Vince Taylor to handle and would beat him. Vince's quads and back were nothing special, while both were strong points for Cormier.
vinice had very good quads but cormier's were better.. cormier had good calves for a black man but vinice had great calves for a black or a white man!!.. he had the best black calves i have ever seen after paul dillett's!!.. vinice had better biceps, triceps, and, shoulders and overall i prefer his physique but yes cormier at his best deserved to beat him because of his size and much better back..
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Cormier was proof of what a lazy n***** gets when he has all the potential, but no real work ethic.... 8)
Excuse me!! How exactly do you win 5 IronMan titles, 1 NOC, place 3rd at the O, twice, and place 2nd at the Arnold six times (and in the eyes of some, have a victory taken from you in 2004) by being lazy?
That doesn't even count the other IFBB shows he's won.
Check the poundages he used in his training (which would cripple the average IFBB pro)...That's really "lazy" for you.
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Excuse me!! How exactly do you win 5 IronMan titles, 1 NOC, place 3rd at the O, twice, and place 2nd at the Arnold six times (and in the eyes of some, have a victory taken from you in 2004) by being lazy?
That doesn't even count the other IFBB shows he's won.
Check the poundages he used in his training (which would cripple the average IFBB pro)...That's really "lazy" for you.
in the 90s chris was known as the strongest among all the pros!!..
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Cormier all day ... better shape and flow to physique
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I don't think Vince is broke, do you have any proof that he is.
read it here several times
Ida know....
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in the 90s chris was known as the strongest among all the pros!!..
I've seen him incline 455lbs like it was nothing for 8 reps.
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I've seen him incline 455lbs like it was nothing for 8 reps.
wow this breaks my record by 2 reps :o
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Chris owning Nasser in all pics. ;D Kiddin
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Cormier except Vince Taylor of 1995
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chris doesn't have the WOW factor. (great body nonetheless)
Vince got those great arms.
exactly vince taylor all day
the pics say it all
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I was just clarifying your question addressed to ND, as to what he meant by saying Vince did better as a pro.
Peak Cormier would have too much size for Vince Taylor to handle and would beat him. Vince's quads and back were nothing special, while both were strong points for Cormier.
Exactly ! and I think Chris would beat him Taylor competed at about 210 pounds around 5'8" if not less .
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and cormier arms are undersized
arms are the show pieceof bbing
cormiers didn't pop no roundness
I think chriss is very overated
If anything Chris is very underrated and I wish my arms were this ' undersized '
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i'd have to say the longevity of Vince might give him the edge, tho they were both phenominal. Vince was still one of the worlds best at 50.
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Select shots cormiers arms were so so flex Coleman kevin shawn most from the ninetes era had better arms and the whole
wish my arms were ? Latest getbig saying is redundant in comparision to vince and most pros of that era chis cormiers arms were weak fact end of
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Select shots cormiers arms were so so flex Coleman kevin shawn most from the ninetes era had better arms and the whole
wish my arms were ? Latest getbig saying is redundant in comparision to vince and most pros of that era chis cormiers arms were weak fact end of
LMFAO weak like most of your opinions besides being ignorant they based purely on preference
Chris owns Vince , Kevin and Shawn ALL combined in natural structure and balance so whatever imagined advantage is moot in the face of pure genetics , Shawn , Vince and Kevin were all more consistent professionals but that speaks more about Chris' work ethic and his motivation than his physique & potential
Vince was smaller and didn't have as good as a natural structure , Chris at his best is bigger has better balance & proportion as a whole so therefore Chris wins , when you type Chris is overrated what you're really saying is you don't know much about bodybuilding .
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If anything Chris is very underrated and I wish my arms were this ' undersized '
you?!!!.. who are you?!.. it's a comparison between two of the best bbs ever!.. sure you wish your arm were the same as the weakest arms ever of a pro. bb ::).. it's like when we talk about nasser's weak back or dorian's weak arm, they are weal for them but not for us..
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Exactly ! and I think Chris would beat him Taylor competed at about 210 pounds around 5'8" if not less .
He added size throughout the 90's, as did Chris. Vince did weigh less than 210 pounds in the late 80's/early 90's, but slowly gained size and was competing in his 230's by the mid 90's.
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LMFAO weak like most of your opinions besides being ignorant they based purely on preference
Chris owns Vince , Kevin and Shawn ALL combined in natural structure and balance so whatever imagined advantage is moot in the face of pure genetics , Shawn , Vince and Kevin were all more consistent professionals but that speaks more about Chris' work ethic and his motivation than his physique & potential
Vince was smaller and didn't have as good as a natural structure , Chris at his best is bigger has better balance & proportion as a whole so therefore Chris wins , when you type Chris is overrated what you're really saying is you don't know much about bodybuilding .
Bodybuilding is subjective u are entitled to ur opinion
but to me cormier is overated simple
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Bodybuilding is subjective u are entitled to ur opinion
but to me cormier is overated simple
Who do you think was better? Chris Cormier or Charles Clairmonte?
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you?!!!.. who are you?!.. it's a comparison between two of the best bbs ever!.. sure you wish your arm were the same as the weakest arms ever of a pro. bb ::).. it's like when we talk about nasser's weak back or dorian's weak arm, they are weal for them but not for us..
Back to parts ( shakes head ) when will you learn? :-\
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Bodybuilding is subjective u are entitled to ur opinion
but to me cormier is overated simple
chris was a very good bb but he lacked the "wow" factor.. his back was great but not dorian's and ronnie's level, he didnt have nasser's shoulders or kevin's triceps.. everything on him was good but just good, nothing outstanding, i can say the same about shawn ray.. but ray's over all balance and symmetry were better..
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He added size throughout the 90's, as did Chris. Vince did weigh less than 210 pounds in the late 80's/early 90's, but slowly gained size and was competing in his 230's by the mid 90's.
A lot of guys added size to the detriment of their physiques doesn't say much Chris was still bigger without suffering for it
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Back to parts ( shakes head ) when will you learn? :-\
you were the one who talked about "parts" when you wished your "arms" to be like cormier's!!.. :-X i am not an expert but i have a good eye to say at the first glance if this guy is a good bb or not, not like you who once said that fux was a mr. olympia material ::)
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taylor is amazing over 50 years old still large and in charge
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He added size throughout the 90's, as did Chris. Vince did weigh less than 210 pounds in the late 80's/early 90's, but slowly gained size and was competing in his 230's by the mid 90's.
I always thought Vince looked better at the lower bodyweights. Though smaller I thought the sharpness he had was awesome. What did he place in Helsinki? 3rd? CC is underrated or maybe just considered lazy but I think his build is up there for all-time. When he was on with his ridiculous structure and muscle shape he would wax Vince. His arms werent weak either just had flatter peaks on his bis thats all. Guess he should have pumped them up with synthol like all his boys were doin.
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you were the one who talked about "parts" when you wished your "arms" to be like cormier's!!.. :-X i am not an expert but i have a good eye to say at the first glance if this guy is a good bb or not, not like you who once said that fux was a mr. olympia material ::)
Please you don't have a good eye , you think Nasser is the best ;)
And if you don't think Fux had all the tools to be Mr Olympia then you have much to learn my friend
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I always thought Vince looked better at the lower bodyweights. Though smaller I thought the sharpness he had was awesome. What did he place in Helsinki? 3rd? CC is underrated or maybe just considered lazy but I think his build is up there for all-time. When he was on with his ridiculous structure and muscle shape he would wax Vince. His arms werent weak either just had flatter peaks on his bis thats all. Guess he should have pumped them up with synthol like all his boys were doin.
He was also very off in Helsinki. He was in a lot of pain throughout the competition. He had actually torn his cornea and hadn't slept, ate, or trained for days before the contest. If he had been completely ON, he was posed a SERIOUS threat to the overall title.
He also almost beat a very ON 1994 Kevin Levrone at the Arnold Classic and destroyed Chris that competition, who I think he actually outweighed.
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He was also very off in Helsinki. He was in a lot of pain throughout the competition. He had actually torn his cornea and hadn't slept, ate, or trained for days before the contest. If he had been completely ON, he was posed a SERIOUS threat to the overall title.
He also almost beat a very ON 1994 Kevin Levrone at the Arnold Classic and destroyed Chris that competition, who I think he actually outweighed.
He wasn't any threat what so ever to Yates and most guys don't train days before a contest and Dorian didn't train for weeks before the 94 Olympia , Vince's story sounded much like Flexes in 97
Vince wasn't going to touch a spot-on Levrone or Dorian
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I always thought Vince looked better at the lower bodyweights. Though smaller I thought the sharpness he had was awesome. What did he place in Helsinki? 3rd? CC is underrated or maybe just considered lazy but I think his build is up there for all-time. When he was on with his ridiculous structure and muscle shape he would wax Vince. His arms werent weak either just had flatter peaks on his bis thats all. Guess he should have pumped them up with synthol like all his boys were doin.
Smart man , I agree with everything you typed.
people underrate Chris because it was almost perfect and didn't have any standout parts not realizing his whole physique was a standout ' part ' he's like a 260 pound Bob Paris
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Please you don't have a good eye , you think Nasser is the best ;)
And if you don't think Fux had all the tools to be Mr Olympia then you have much to learn my friend
i never said nasser was the best!!.. he was the best and most complete from the front but sure his back affected his overall package..
so if fux was that great why he was never placed in the top 6 at the olympia ::) fux's wide waist and odd abs destoyed his shape.. also the rest of him was not any thing special aside of his great size of course.. his only outstanding pose was the rear lat spread, other than that nothing was special.. again i am not an expert!..
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He wasn't any threat what so ever to Yates and most guys don't train days before a contest and Dorian didn't train for weeks before the 94 Olympia , Vince's story sounded much like Flexes in 97
Vince wasn't going to touch a spot-on Levrone or Dorian
dorian didnt train weeks before mr. o. 94?! why?!.. may be you meant 97!!..
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If anything Chris is very underrated and I wish my arms were this ' undersized '
that picture looks morphed
Chris's arms were never that big on stage
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i never said nasser was the best!!.. he was the best and most complete from the front but sure his back affected his overall package..
so if fux was that great why he was never placed in the top 6 at the olympia ::) fux's wide waist and odd abs destoyed his shape.. also the rest of him was not any thing special aside of his great size of course.. his only outstanding pose was the rear lat spread, other than that nothing was special.. again i am not an expert!..
No kidding you're not an expert that's blatantly obvious from your posts Mr Sensitive ;D
Fux had a narrow waist FYI huge gut but like Ronnie a narrow waist and who cares if he never placed top six? this means what? Ronnie was 9th in 97 behind Fux BTW plenty of guys have/had the potential to become Mr Olympia but never capitalized on it , doesn't mean they didn't have all the tools
Fux had an outstanding structure , he was massive with super-wide clavicles and a narrow waist and a great back , pretty amazing balance , his shape wasn't as pleasing as Flex but that's semantics , neither was Dorians , he couldn't find the right balance , same with Cormier who Dorian said had the potential to beat Ronnie if everything was perfect however it didn't work out
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Vince wasn't going to touch a spot-on Levrone or Dorian
bullshit.
look how good vince looked in shitty condition at the 92 O:
at his best shape he would have pushed them both hard at that contest, if not won the whole damn thing:
he was a real favorite going in. he was coming off winning everything in sight that year. 92 ironman, 92 AC, bunch of GP shows etc etc.
don't rewrite history just to make tiny arms seem better than he was.. ::)
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Taylor.
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bullshit.
look how good vince looked in shitty condition at the 92 O:
at his best shape he would have pushed them both hard at that contest, if not won the whole damn thing:
he was a real favorite going in. he was coming off winning everything in sight that year. 92 ironman, 92 AC, bunch of GP shows etc etc.
don't rewrite history just to make tiny arms seem better than he was.. ::)
And you know what? ??? Vince wasn't a threat to Dorian , Haney or Kevin you think posting one select pic proves anything? Dorian pushed Haney to the limit something Vince never did , keep talking out your ass kid I'll keep correcting you
Kevin and Dorian were the odds on favorites in 92 with Vince being the dark horse
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No kidding you're not an expert that's blatantly obvious from your posts Mr Sensitive ;D
Fux had a narrow waist FYI huge gut but like Ronnie a narrow waist and who cares if he never placed top six? this means what? Ronnie was 9th in 97 behind Fux BTW plenty of guys have/had the potential to become Mr Olympia but never capitalized on it , doesn't mean they didn't have all the tools
Fux had an outstanding structure , he was massive with super-wide clavicles and a narrow waist and a great back , pretty amazing balance , his shape wasn't as pleasing as Flex but that's semantics , neither was Dorians , he couldn't find the right balance , same with Cormier who Dorian said had the potential to beat Ronnie if everything was perfect however it didn't work out
post a pic. of fux showing his narrow waist mr. expert ::) they guy had wide lats that give this feeling but actually his waist was big (bones)..
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Who do you think was better? Chris Cormier or Charles Clairmonte?
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I personally prefer clairemonts
he was balanced with good arms
chris tris are weak
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post a pic. of fux showing his narrow waist mr. expert ::) they guy had wide lats that give this feeling but actually his waist was big (bones)..
Narrow waist , big gut same contest BTW thanks for playing though
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And you know what? ??? Vince wasn't a threat to Dorian , Haney or Kevin you think posting one select pic proves anything? Dorian pushed Haney to the limit something Vince never did , keep talking out your ass kid I'll keep correcting you
Kevin and Dorian were the odds on favorites in 92 with Vince being the dark horse
how come to cal vince "the dark horse" while he was already 3rd in 91 and 89 ::).. kevin was the real dark horse at mr. o. 92, same can be said about nasser in 95 and jay in 2001!!.. till when i will keep correcting you :-X
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how come to cal vince "the dark horse" while he was already 3rd in 91 and 89 ::).. kevin was the real dark horse at mr. o. 92, same can be said about nasser in 95 and jay in 2001!!.. till when i will keep correcting you :-X
You haven't corrected anything , you don't even know how the game is played Mr Seven Mandatory poses ;) you keep typing that's about it
Kevin was very competitive as soon as he turned pro in 92 won the Night of the Champions in 92 a lot of buzz about him before the Olympia , Vince? ::) on paper you could call him a threat to win the Olympia but that's where it ended , he wasn't touching Dorian and as it turned out Kevin , he wasn't in Haney's league either and in the coming years Kevin proved who was the better of the two
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You haven't corrected anything , you don't even know how the game is played Mr Seven Mandatory poses ;) you keep typing that's about it
Kevin was very competitive as soon as he turned pro in 92 won the Night of the Champions in 92 a lot of buzz about him before the Olympia , Vince? ::) on paper you could call him a threat to win the Olympia but that's where it ended , he wasn't touching Dorian and as it turned out Kevin , he wasn't in Haney's league either and in the coming years Kevin proved who was the better of the two
:-\ :-\ :-\ i was just correcting you after you used "the dark horse" to descrive vince who was already a veteran bb before the show.. yes he was not a real threat to win the olympia..
as for kevin you can call him the dark horse on that day because it was his first time to face the top guys like dorian, shawn, labrada, and vice.. i hope you have understood the meaning of "the dark horse" now :P
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:-\ :-\ :-\ i was just correcting you after you used "the dark horse" to descrive vince who was already a veteran bb before the show.. yes he was not a real threat to win the olympia..
as for kevin you can call him the dark horse on that day because it was his first time to face the top guys like dorian, shawn, labrada, and vice.. i hope you have understood the meaning of "the dark horse" now :P
You're agreeing with me so how did you correct anything? ;) the magazines may have claimed Vince was a threat but the judges thought otherwise , NO Kevin was a legitimate threat regardless of previous placings as Dorian was in 91 and Flex in 93
Vince was never in serious contention for the title although he may have came close , same with Shawn and Labrada and Nasser ;) he needed a back to taken seriously
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Kevin and Dorian were the odds on favorites in 92 with Vince being the dark horse
you obviously weren't following the sport back then, were you? ::)
Vince won the 92 AC, 92 ironman and the 92 pittsburg pro.
he was a real favorite going into the olympia that year.
you obviously weren't reading the mags back then.
sigh.
yet again, more intelligent seasoned fans have to educate the flower boy as always.. :-\
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the magazines may have claimed Vince was a threat but the judges thought otherwise
had he not become injured and showed up at the olympia in his 92 AC shape, the judges would not have thought otherwise.
he probably would have beaten dorian in his 92 tiny armed shape.
he was that good.
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you obviously weren't following the sport back then, were you? ::)
Vince won the 92 AC, 92 ironman and the 92 pittsburg pro.
he was a real favorite going into the olympia that year.
you obviously weren't reading the mags back then.
sigh.
yet again, more intelligent seasoned fans have to educate the flower boy as always.. :-\
Hahahahaha WRONG as usual Mr Idiot , I have most of the magazines from 1992 with Vinces wins FYI I bought them in 1992 ;) I started reading Muscle & Fitness in 1986 ;) and still have those too
Vince was NEVER a threat to the Olympia title , he wasn't ever going to touch Haney or Yates and as history would prove me right Kevin either , Dorian was hands down the odds on favorite to win in 92 after to pushed Haney to the limit a feat Vince couldn't ever do
As usual you don't know what you're talking about and it's funny how far off the mark you always are and and intelligent and seasoned fans? you're the same moron who claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , you know what again? ;)
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had he not become injured and showed up at the olympia in his 92 AC shape, the judges would not have thought otherwise.
he probably would have beaten dorian in his 92 tiny armed shape.
he was that good.
LMFAO he couldn't touch Kevin and Kevin sure as fuck wasn't touching Dorian , keep trying to rewrite history kid , how did Vince fair after the injury compared to Dorian and Kevin? how many times did he beat Kevin? forget Dorian
as usual you make a dumb assessment and have nothing to offer up as proof or evidence , Vince wasn't in Haney's league or Dorians , Dorian outright beat Haney at his absolute best in the muscularity round did Vince ever do this when Haney wasn't his best? NO sorry
As usual Hulkster = NOTHING
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you're the same moron who claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time ,
no, I didn't claim it.
I proved it.
note the distinction.
and many many on this board agree :P.
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no, I didn't claim it.
I proved it.
note the distinction.
and many many on this board agree :P.
yeah I thought so ;)
argument ad populum
same old shit by stupid Hulkster
and the many , many idiots on this board don't judge contests FYI
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notice how vince is owning dorian in the comparion I posted.
note that it is a healthy Vince at the 92 ironman. not the injured soft shitty vince at the 92 olympia..
yet, ND claims I have "nothing" LOL
ND is just lucky that there are literally no pics on the web of the 92 AC.
othewise, he would be on suicide watch after comparing them to dorian 92 olympia shots.. ::)
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even in shitty shape in 92, vince's arms were so far ahead of dorian's it wasn't even funny. so were his quads, abs etc.
dorian can thank a poorly placed suitcase in an overhead compartment for his first olympia win LOL
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notice how vince is owning dorian in the comparion I posted.
note that it is a healthy Vince at the 92 ironman. not the injured soft shitty vince at the 92 olympia..
yet, ND claims I have "nothing" LOL
ND is just lucky that there are literally no pics on the web of the 92 AC.
othewise, he would be on suicide watch after comparing them to dorian 92 olympia shots.. ::)
Answer my question , how many times did Vince beat Dorian and Kevin after the 92 Olympia? ;)
Dorian was FIRST at the 92 Olympia where was Vince? ;)
You have your excuses as usual no proof , lots of excuses
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um. 92 was vince's career peak. he was getting older even by then.
he never again showed up looking like that, so you are comparing apples to oranges.
Vince 92 AC>>dorian 92 Olympia.
deal with it.
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Back calves conditioning Dorian
chest delts arms abs legs
everyone else wins
worssst arms on stage Dorian yates
how he won tho o titles I have no clue
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Back calves conditioning Dorian
chest delts arms abs legs
everyone else wins
worssst arms on stage Dorian yates
how he won tho o titles I have no clue
dorian's arms were good till 93 IMO.. great triceps and ok biceps.. it was just stupid to give him the title in 96 and 97, specially in 97 where his left arm was totally deformed.. a mr. olympia with one arm!!.. can you imagine!!..
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um. 92 was vince's career peak. he was getting older even by then.
he never again showed up looking like that, so you are comparing apples to oranges.
Vince 92 AC>>dorian 92 Olympia.
deal with it.
LMFAO 92 was Vince's peak he won more contests in 1991 FYI peak you say? he won more shows in 1995 oppsss
let me bitch slap you some more moron
How many times did Vince beat Kevin? Three.. how many times did Kevin beat Vince? TWENTY THREE opppssssss so much for Vince being better
Vince couldn't touch Haney and Dorian beat him in the muscularity round , Vince couldn't touch Haney or Kevin and Kevin sure as fuck couldn't touch Dorian
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dorian's arms were good till 93 IMO.. great triceps and ok biceps.. it was just stupid to give him the title in 96 and 97, specially in 97 where his left arm was totally deformed.. a mr. olympia with one arm!!.. can you imagine!!..
A Mr Olympia WITH no back what so ever imagine that?
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even in shitty shape in 92, vince's arms were so far ahead of dorian's it wasn't even funny. so were his quads, abs etc.
dorian can thank a poorly placed suitcase in an overhead compartment for his first olympia win LOL
Hahahahahaha NOT a parts contest dummy
much to learn stupid
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Back calves conditioning Dorian
chest delts arms abs legs
everyone else wins
worssst arms on stage Dorian yates
how he won tho o titles I have no clue
There is a LOT you don't have a clue about ;)
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A Mr Olympia WITH no back what so ever imagine that?
to correct you again, there is a differnce between a deformed part and a relativley weak part.. if you are referring to nasser's back, it lacked the details and hardness but still it wasn't deformed, the rest of him was good enough to make him win on that day..
i am about to leave so if you want me to correct anything else for you today plz ask quickly :P
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to correct you again, there is a differnce between a deformed part and a relativley weak part.. if you are referring to nasser's back, it lacked the details and hardness but still it wasn't deformed, the rest of him was good enough to make him win on that day..
i am about to leave so if you want me to correct anything else for you today plz ask quickly :P
It wasn't deformed because there was NOTHING there to deform , and it was relatively weak it was weak period not in relation to Dorian but for anyone who was his size & weight
in order to correct me Mr Sensitive you'd have to know how things go and thus far I've already proven you don't ;)
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according to mr. expert (
in licking dorian's balls) ND the left arm of the guy in the first pic. is not deformed and the guy in the second pic. had the tools to be mr. olympia :-\
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dont you think that nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way if not more than dorian was better than him from the back?!..
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i wonder how big Doz's left arm is in that shot?
Looks 16-17 inches to me
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at least nasser was better than dorian in all parts from the front while dorian was better than him from the rear in the back and calves (slightly) only, nasser's arms, shoulders, hams were all better from the rear..
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dont you think that nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way if not more than dorian was better than him from the back?!..
I've already answer this question a dozens times YES Nasser was better than Dorian from the front in 1997 , better ab-thigh ( very lose could go either way but for the sake of argument lets give it to Nasser ) better front double biceps and standing relaxed , Dorian was better from the sides and the back BY FAR hence a win and you fail anyway by thinking it would mean anything if he did win against a career worse Yates
Dorian at his best leaves Nasser for dead at his best so you're right back to square one , no where
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I've already answer this question a dozens times YES Nasser was better than Dorian from the front in 1997 , better ab-thigh ( very lose could go either way but for the sake of argument lets give it to Nasser ) better front double biceps and standing relaxed , Dorian was better from the sides and the back BY FAR hence a win and you fail anyway by thinking it would mean anything if he did win against a career worse Yates
Dorian at his best leaves Nasser for dead at his best so you're right back to square one , no where
if dorian's right tricep was injured 3 weeks before mr. olympia 97 instead of his left, do you think he was going to win?..
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There is a LOT you don't have a clue about ;)
that may be true and I say the same of you
but
arms chest legs shoulders dorain was pwned on by 90 of his peers let's just say he is licks back is the prized bodypart or he would have even been top 10
I'm bodybuilding was judged properly where the trophy was Biden to the guy with the higest total of best bodypart and symetry and flow Dorian would be even be mentioned in this convo THAT I do know
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according to mr. expert (in licking dorian's balls) ND the left arm of the guy in the first pic. is not deformed and the guy in the second pic. had the tools to be mr. olympia :-\
Hahahahahaha getting sensitive again huh? Mr Liar please show me where I ever typed his arm wasn't deformed , please do and I'll be waiting ;)
getting frustrated huh Hulkster? nice hand selected pic BTW try a back shot that shames Nasser ;)
should I post the comments from Flex magazine from his contemporaries on when he first burst onto the scene and they were all raving how he could be Mr Olympia? should I embarrass you some more?
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that may be true and I say the same of you
but
arms chest legs shoulders dorain was pwned on by 90 of his peers let's just say he is licks back is the prized bodypart or he would have even been top 10
I'm bodybuilding was judged properly where the trophy was Biden to the guy with the higest total of best bodypart and symetry and flow Dorian would be even be mentioned in this convo THAT I do know
Which goes to show you bodybuilding contests are NOT based on parts only poses , please commit this to memory
you're not a judge you don't know how the game is played which is exactly why you think Dorian was just a back & calves
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if dorian's right tricep was injured 3 weeks before mr. olympia 97 instead of his left, do you think he was going to win?..
Who knows , If Nasser had a back a real back , one that belonged to a 270 pound bodybuilder you'd be working with something but that's neither here nor there
he didn't Dorian beat him every time , keep crying it's all you have left
Dorian was in a league all his own even at his worse he was still better than everyone's hero , that shows how great he was at his best
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Hahahahahaha getting sensitive again huh? Mr Liar please show me where I ever typed his arm wasn't deformed , please do and I'll be waiting ;)
getting frustrated huh Hulkster? nice hand selected pic BTW try a back shot that shames Nasser ;)
should I post the comments from Flex magazine from his contemporaries on when he first burst onto the scene and they were all raving how he could be Mr Olympia? should I embarrass you some more?
i have that issue by the way (june 1996) right??.. and it came in the review of AC 96 :P but i dont take flex mag. for granted, sorry i am not a parrot like you :P
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i have that issue by the way (june 1996) right??.. and it came in the review of AC 96 :P but i dont take flex mag. for granted, sorry i am not a parrot like you :P
No you only like to quote Flex when it says Nasser was great ::) when it doesn't suit your purposes it's not good and how ironic you were begging me to scan the Flex magazines for any Nasser footage ;)
Nasser El SonBaty Mr Olympia .................from the front ;D to bad not how it works
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Select shots cormiers arms were so so flex Coleman kevin shawn most from the ninetes era had better arms and the whole
wish my arms were ? Latest getbig saying is redundant in comparision to vince and most pros of that era chis cormiers arms were weak fact end of
There is a shot of Cormier on a exercise bike in blue shirt and he had cornrows, he has one arm up, and you can clearly see he had great detail. I think it was prior to one of his Aussie shows he won. ND, do you have that pic, or know what I'm talking about.
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LMFAO 92 was Vince's peak he won more contests in 1991 FYI peak you say? he won more shows in 1995 oppsss
LOL look at this idiot
now he is basing when Vince's best ever shape was simply based on the year he won more contests rather than what his actual physique looked like at his best LOL
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hint flower boy: its his physique and physique only that decides what his best is. not how many contests happen to win in a particular year.
you know, its really damn annoying having a complete novice like ND trying to add to a discussion with retarded shit like this.. :-\
ND, if you can't add something useful to the debate, stay away from it.
your clueless novice bullshit is annoying.
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There is a shot of Cormier on a exercise bike in blue shirt and he had cornrows, he has one arm up, and you can clearly see he had great detail. I think it was prior to one of his Aussie shows he won. ND, do you have that pic, or know what I'm talking about.
I already posted it
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No you only like to quote Flex when it says Nasser was great ::) when it doesn't suit your purposes it's not good and how ironic you were begging me to scan the Flex magazines for any Nasser footage ;)
Nasser El SonBaty Mr Olympia .................from the front ;D to bad not how it works
no kid i never begged you, i just asked you to make me a favour just to add stuff to the facebook page i made about nasser ;D.. also i was kidding because i knew you would never do it..
i never take what is/was in flex for granted and i made a lot of old threads showing thier contradictions or wrong opinions.. still i refer to it when it says something i agree with!.. after all flex mag. is not one person and each writer in it has his own mind!..
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LOL look at this idiot
now he is basing when Vince's best ever shape was simply based on the year he won more contests rather than what his actual physique looked like at his best LOL
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hint flower boy: its his physique and physique only that decides what his best is. not how many contests happen to win in a particular year.
you know, its really damn annoying having a complete novice like ND trying to add to a discussion with retarded shit like this.. :-\
ND, if you can't add something useful to the debate, stay away from it.
your clueless novice bullshit is annoying.
typical Hulkster post NO content , personal attacks no proof as usual
Vince couldn't touch Levrone and Kevin wasn't in Dorian's league end of story
you're the same dummy who thinks Vince would beat Dorian HAHAHAHAHAHA Vince was left for dead by Haney & Yates in 91 and Dorian trampled beat Haney in the muscularity round , how many times did Vince do that? and that wasn't even Dorian 1992 and Haney wasn't at his best , as usual you have nothing
keep up with the personal attacks you prove me right all the time
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no kid i never begged you, i just asked you to make me a favour just to add stuff to the facebook page i made about nasser ;D.. also i was kidding because i knew you would never do it..
i never take what is/was in flex for granted and i made a lot of old threads showing thier contradictions or wrong opinions.. still i refer to it when it says something i agree with!.. after all flex mag. is not one person and each writer in it has his own mind!..
Kid? I'm older than you boy ;)
the magazines aren't the end all be all , the judges are and what did they have to say about Nasser Vs Dorian? ;)
Nasser wasn't as good you think he was face the facts kid
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typical Hulkster post NO content ,
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what the fuck do you mean no content? ::)
you obviously missed the part where I explained that you can't determine someone's best ever shape simply by seeing what year they won the most contests.. ::)
jesus man you always amaze everyone with how little you know about the sport given how long you have supposedly been following it.. :-\
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::)
what the fuck do you mean no content? ::)
you obviously missed the part where I explained that you can't determine someone's best ever shape simply by seeing what year they won the most contests.. ::)
jesus man you always amaze everyone with how little you know about the sport given how long you have supposedly been following it.. :-\
NO content typical Hulkster
YOU claimed 1992 was his best prove it ! back up a fucking claim for once in your life
Vince wasn't and isn't in Dorian's league or Kevins I proved this
now we've gone from Dorian's the most ovrerated ever to Vince would beat him , you're like all the other loser fan-boys full of excuses that contradict reality
and how little I know? Dorian's the most overrated of all time? ;) Vince would beat him ? Ronnie's calves are better detailed? hahahahahahaha go away troll
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YOU claimed 1992 was his best prove it ! back up a fucking claim for once in your life
well genius, here is a pic from the 92 ironman: ::)
for starters.
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1992 AC or Ironman Vince Taylor >> dorian in his 242 pound 92 olympia shape.
and ND is melting down about it. lol
not even sure what year this is, and it STILL blows dorian 92 off the map!:
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Who was the better of two?
Discuss.....
Hard to say both were good but neither were great. Yet Vince DID win the ASC 2ce!!!!!
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dont you think that nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way if not more than dorian was better than him from the back?!..
Nasser DID look better than Dorian from the front, but Nasser also looks VERY soft. He lacks the DRY look and the deep cuts. He was a MASS MONSTER with good shape, but it wasn't quality muscle like Coleman exhibited.
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One was Haney's good friend the other was Flex's.
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1992 AC or Ironman Vince Taylor >> dorian in his 242 pound 92 olympia shape.
and ND is melting down about it. lol
not even sure what year this is, and it STILL blows dorian 92 off the map!:
Doesnt blow any Dorian away with those tiny legs. (For a pro)
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too bad 92 dorian had tiny arms..
dorian gets owned:
I find it kind of ironic that ND claims vince was never a threat, yet he was the whole reason why dorian over dieted for 92 in the first place.
there is an interview from one of the mags with dorian talking about 92 and how he went for condition because he figured Vince and Labrada (or shawn I can't remember) neither of whom would weigh more than 215 pounds.
he overdieted and came in too light.
so much for vince not being a threat LOL ::)
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Its not so ironic, Vince NEVER was a contender when it mattered. He made the top 3 but was never ever a contender like Shawn, Flex, Kevin , and Nasser. I was a big Vince fan but the Olympia was never his show like the ASC and Ironman shows.
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vince and chris were 2 of the greats.
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Vince willl always be known for "The Terminator" routine in 91.
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Kid? I'm older than you boy ;)
the magazines aren't the end all be all , the judges are and what did they have to say about Nasser Vs Dorian? ;)
Nasser wasn't as good you think he was face the facts kid
sorry if you are MANY years older than me but i am not sorry if the difference is less than 5 years :P
now will you scan the magazines for me ;D
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chris
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ive never seen dorian look good in a front double bi shot besides the '93 black and whites.
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too bad 92 dorian had tiny arms..
dorian gets owned:
I find it kind of ironic that ND claims vince was never a threat, yet he was the whole reason why dorian over dieted for 92 in the first place.
there is an interview from one of the mags with dorian talking about 92 and how he went for condition because he figured Vince and Labrada (or shawn I can't remember) neither of whom would weigh more than 215 pounds.
he overdieted and came in too light.
so much for vince not being a threat LOL ::)
I have the magazine and no where does he say or it say Vince is the whole reason he over-dieted . more blatant lies by you , he did say he over-dieted because of guys like Labrada & Ray because he thought the judges would be going for condition, however he was still the biggest guy on-stage at 242lbs and drier & harder at that weight than ANYONE
facts prove me right , Vince was never a threat to Haney he never beat him in the muscularity round like Dorian did , Vince wasn't a treat to Kevin either another proven fact Vince beat him 3 times and Kevin beat him 23 times NO threat , Vince wasn't close to Kevin and Kevin sure wasn't close to Dorian so as usual you have nothing
Just another tread for you to claim this one could have beaten Dorian , should have beaten Dorian FACT is moron only two people ever did and Vince , Chris , Kevin , Shawn and Ronnie weren't either of them
Dorian is the most dominating bodybuilder in the IFBB and that's a FACT
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well genius, here is a pic from the 92 ironman: ::)
for starters.
Hahahahah typical post and say ' see ' ::) I asked for proof not a single pic
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sorry if you are MANY years older than me but i am not sorry if the difference is less than 5 years :P
now will you scan the magazines for me ;D
I'm older than you by 5 years
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I'm older than you by 5 years
this answers half my post!!..
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and cormier arms are undersized
arms are the show pieceof bbing
cormiers didn't pop no roundness
I think chriss is very overated
i agree completely. i see sinewy legs, sub par back, poor calves..good arms and high pecs and good delts.
and a crap (and annoying) front double bi.
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SCHMOEDOWN!!!!!!
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Its not so ironic, Vince NEVER was a contender when it mattered. He made the top 3 but was never ever a contender like Shawn, Flex, Kevin , and Nasser. I was a big Vince fan but the Olympia was never his show like the ASC and Ironman shows.
what drugs are you on?
he beat shawn, and was no doubt better than him. Flex doesnt count as he is way over rated and used implants. Kevin, ok maybe..he was good. But Nasser- are you serious?...you honestly think that nasser was superior to vince?
fuck this place shits me some times.
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Hulkster- some advice. ND owns youj big time...in every thread you argue.
you come off looking like a real tool so i would recommend not going head to head with him as eventually everyone's going to think you are a moron.
the more you comment, the more ND smacks you.
stop now before all cred is gone.
hope this helps.
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I'm older than you by 5 years
then why do you display the bb knowledge of a 3 year old who just discovered the sport? ???
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Hulkster- some advice. ND owns youj big time...in every thread you argue.
you come off looking like a real tool so i would recommend not going head to head with him as eventually everyone's going to think you are a moron.
the more you comment, the more ND smacks you.
stop now before all cred is gone.
hope this helps.
hahaha
the flower worker owns nothing. he just runs away from me, (see the truce thread)
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When you talk about Vinces "injury" in 92,i`m assuming you mean the eye patch he wore at the Olympia.But if you watch the video of that year you see Vince walk out the airport perfectly normal and he gives a "number 1" salute to the camera,but according to him he had the accident on the plane.I know that a week later when the pro`s trained at my gym i asked all of them about Vinces "accident",and not one of them saw it happen.And have any of you actually been to a pro show in the 90s when Dorian was winning,because if you had you would have seen for yourself why he beat Vince,Kevin,Nasser,Ronnie etc.Its no good just posting a random pic of Vinces arms,and saying his arms look better than Dorians so he deserves to win,when i saw Dorian onstage side by side against any of these guys he was a clear winner.
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When you talk about Vinces "injury" in 92,i`m assuming you mean the eye patch he wore at the Olympia.But if you watch the video of that year you see Vince walk out the airport perfectly normal and he gives a "number 1" salute to the camera,but according to him he had the accident on the plane.I know that a week later when the pro`s trained at my gym i asked all of them about Vinces "accident",and not one of them saw it happen.And have any of you actually been to a pro show in the 90s when Dorian was winning,because if you had you would have seen for yourself why he beat Vince,Kevin,Nasser,Ronnie etc.Its no good just posting a random pic of Vinces arms,and saying his arms look better than Dorians so he deserves to win,when i saw Dorian onstage side by side against any of these guys he was a clear winner.
even in 1997?
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I wasn`t there to see them (i`m assuming you mean Nasser) in 97,but i did see Dorian and Nasser at the grand prix in 96,and admittedly from the front they were well matched,but when they turned round the contest was all Dorians.
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did dorian beat
flex shawn kevin dillet vince cormier from the front too?
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face it those days of judgieng was a farce who decided back was what a contest shoule be won on how can someone win the mr o on ONE bodypart?
fortunate for dorian... judging was biased to back...
my logial way of thinking would be.... the guy with the biggest most cut bodypart..and the the most number of great bodyparts THAt flow together should win .. not just the guy with the biggest BACK.... RuBBISH
in the whole of the top 10 during dorians reign
95% of the guys has better arms....? dorian has one standout bodypart ONE when other guys have 4 or 5 great bodyparts with better flow and a narrower waist
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yeah I thought so ;)
argument ad populum
same old shit by stupid Hulkster
and the many , many idiots on this board don't judge contests FYI
Argumentum ad populum ;D
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I wasn`t there to see them (i`m assuming you mean Nasser) in 97,but i did see Dorian and Nasser at the grand prix in 96,and admittedly from the front they were well matched,but when they turned round the contest was all Dorians.
no not only nasser, even if nasser didnt compete at mr. olympia 97, it was still ridiculous to give the title to dorian with his missing arm!!.. what is more ridiculous is that non of the judges noticed his freshly torn triceps, they knew about it from the magazines later on!!..
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I've already answer this question a dozens times YES Nasser was better than Dorian from the front in 1997 , better ab-thigh ( very lose could go either way but for the sake of argument lets give it to Nasser ) better front double biceps and standing relaxed , Dorian was better from the sides and the back BY FAR hence a win and you fail anyway by thinking it would mean anything if he did win against a career worse Yates
Dorian at his best leaves Nasser for dead at his best so you're right back to square one , no where
I wonder if Nasser's already fake biceps had anything to do with the decision ??? Always wondered about that, since a few years later he would start getting crucified for his synthol use, but retrospectively he is clearly made of bicep and possibly calf oil by '97. Slightly scary how bad Dorian's arms looked by then, but he did have better back and maybe sides. Interesting comp though as it seemed to say that lower back is more important than quads, hams, arms, midsection etc. Dorian's delts and lats were crazy big by then which i think really helped, but lower body was lagging behind mass-wise, not sure if it should have been a perfect score for Doz but I guess the judges felt it was.
That's the one thing I don't get about Jay Cutler's success, is his lower back always looks so fuzzy and he has no Christmas tree ??? In this sense I think Dexter lookes a whole load better from the back this year.
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hahaha
the flower worker owns nothing. he just runs away from me, (see the truce thread)
Yet here I am in another thread making you look ignorant and stupid , I never ran from you that's your spin everyone on here knows I don't run from you even people who agree with you
I own you and your little pea brain which is exactly why you try so hard , keep typing stupid shit you keep proving me right
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then why do you display the bb knowledge of a 3 year old who just discovered the sport? ???
You're the moron who's claiming Vince Taylor would beat Dorian , and Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole prejudging , and Ronnie has more detailed calves and Ronnie was grainier than Dorian ever was and Shawn Ray beats Dorian in a latspread , Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex .. I mean I could fill up pages with how ignorant you are
You don't know the first thing about competitive bodybuilding like 99% of the guys on here , I may not know everything but I sure as fuck know more than you
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Fux was the most muscular guy who ever step on stage after Momo.
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Hulkster- some advice. ND owns youj big time...in every thread you argue.
you come off looking like a real tool so i would recommend not going head to head with him as eventually everyone's going to think you are a moron.
the more you comment, the more ND smacks you.
stop now before all cred is gone.
hope this helps.
Great post ! this idiot only wishes I ran from him because of how fucking stupid I make him look in any thread , he can't touch one thing I type all he can do personal attacks because he has no content
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When you talk about Vinces "injury" in 92,i`m assuming you mean the eye patch he wore at the Olympia.But if you watch the video of that year you see Vince walk out the airport perfectly normal and he gives a "number 1" salute to the camera,but according to him he had the accident on the plane.I know that a week later when the pro`s trained at my gym i asked all of them about Vinces "accident",and not one of them saw it happen.And have any of you actually been to a pro show in the 90s when Dorian was winning,because if you had you would have seen for yourself why he beat Vince,Kevin,Nasser,Ronnie etc.Its no good just posting a random pic of Vinces arms,and saying his arms look better than Dorians so he deserves to win,when i saw Dorian onstage side by side against any of these guys he was a clear winner.
Great post ! thank you for explaining to these fucking idiots that reality trumps a couple of pictures
And that's why I referred to Vince's patch in the same breathe as Flex's Ninja story of 97
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You're the moron who's claiming Vince Taylor would beat Dorian
given the shape Taylor looked like at the AC and the ironman that year, yes, it could have happened.
but, he looked like crap at the olympia.
whether the eye injury is real or not, doesn't change the softness that vince displayed at the O.
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i can see this being the new dorian/ronnie thread
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Does anyone actually want to look like Dorian compared to say Ronnie, Flex, Kevin, or even Wolf???
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no, dorian had an ugly overrated physique.
Hi Flowerboy! :P
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given the shape Taylor looked like at the AC and the ironman that year, yes, it could have happened.
but, he looked like crap at the olympia.
whether the eye injury is real or not, doesn't change the softness that vince displayed at the O.
yawn sure he would in the magical place know and your empty skull lots of fanciful things take place like Ronnie having more detailed calves than Dorian
we operate in reality and reality has proven Dorian was the most dominate bodybuilder in the history of the IFBB
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what drugs are you on?
he beat shawn, and was no doubt better than him. Flex doesnt count as he is way over rated and used implants. Kevin, ok maybe..he was good. But Nasser- are you serious?...you honestly think that nasser was superior to vince?
fuck this place shits me some times.
No disrespect to Vinve but like I SAID he was NEVER an Olympia contender like Shawn, Kevin and Flex where. Matter of fact those 3 are tied for being THE UNCROWNED MR O!!!!! Just because Vince has beaten them at times means nothing it just means one of those 3 f'd up. Those 3 were an inch from winning the Sandow. Vince never had a chance. He was never a runner up!!! So I stand by what I said. Better than Shawn????? You must be the one on crack...he's beaten Shawn but he was not BETTER ....as for Nasser .......Nasser WAS a runner up !!!!!! So what's your point.
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no, dorian had an ugly overrated physique.
Hi Flowerboy! :P
Hi troll , pumpster's gone good job taking his place as number 1 troll
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Does anyone actually want to look like Dorian compared to say Ronnie, Flex, Kevin, or even Wolf???
Has nothing to do with if he would beat them .
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given the shape Taylor looked like at the AC and the ironman that year, yes, it could have happened.
but, he looked like crap at the olympia.
whether the eye injury is real or not, doesn't change the softness that vince displayed at the O.
The Olympia was never Vince's game. Much like Darrem Charles and Silvio. Those 3 could sweep all the Spring and Summer shows but the Fall was never their season.
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Has nothing to do with if he would beat them .
I wouldn't mind looking like him in any show. Its a winning physique no doubt. Unless Lee Haney showed up.
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no, dorian had an ugly overrated physique.
Hi Flowerboy! :P
Its all good.
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I wouldn't mind looking like him in any show. Its a winning physique no doubt. Unless Lee Haney showed up.
By 1993 Dorian would beat ANY version of Haney
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Its not so ironic, Vince NEVER was a contender when it mattered. He made the top 3 but was never ever a contender like Shawn, Flex, Kevin , and Nasser. I was a big Vince fan but the Olympia was never his show like the ASC and Ironman shows.
It's because of his age. People were scared to promote a man in his late 30's. At THAT time that was unheard of, seeing all his competitors were still in their 20's.
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this magazine cover pic is for ND who claims vince was never considered a threat to dorian:
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what a fucking tool. :-\
whats your excuse going to be now, loser? ::)
here is is in black and white: the 92 olympia was a two man show going in. dorian and vince.
its so easy to own an idiot like ND who has no clue about the sport, back then or now..
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this magazine cover pic is for ND who claims vince was never considered a threat to dorian:
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what a fucking tool. :-\
whats your excuse going to be now, loser? ::)
here is is in black and white: the 92 olympia was a two man show going in. dorian and vince.
its so easy to own an idiot like ND who has no clue about the sport, back then or now..
As if I don't have that fucking magazine ;) you're so fucking desperate to try and get me back for kicking your ass senseless you'll cling to anything ;D
Who won? how many times did Vince beat Dorian? how many times did he beat Kevin? did Vince make ANY headway on either of them? history proves me right , Vince no threat to Haney or Yates and none to Levrone it's a fact and as usual you find yourself contradicting them
Was Jay & Gunther were hyped up Flex leading up to the 2003 but I'm sure you agree with them that they were both going to beat Ronnie even though they came much closer to Ronnie than Vince ever did to Dorian
Flex said Lou Ferrigno was a legit threat in 92 as well I'm sure they were right to ::) magazine hype doesn't equate truth
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It's because of his age. People were scared to promote a man in his late 30's. At THAT time that was unheard of, seeing all his competitors were still in their 20's.
He's told me that (bs) also. But his physique just wasn't Mr. O material. The first physique (before 94) and the one later. But no one posed like him.
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this magazine cover pic is for ND who claims vince was never considered a threat to dorian:
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what a fucking tool. :-\
whats your excuse going to be now, loser? ::)
here is is in black and white: the 92 olympia was a two man show going in. dorian and vince.
its so easy to own an idiot like ND who has no clue about the sport, back then or now..
ND is a right...physiquewise VT was NEVER a threat to Big D.
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ND is a right...physiquewise VT was NEVER a threat to Big D.
The kids an idiot , he just can't grasp it ...Vince was an outstanding bodybuilder but Mr Olympia nope , he just can't look past his own hate towards Dorian to see that , Vince wasn't going to beat Haney whenever he faced Kevin he lost 95% of the time
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Hulkster is so pathetic that it is beyond comprehension. Notice there hasn't been much Dorian/Ronnie discussion lately, so here he is in a Vince Taylor vs. C. Cormier thread blasting Dorian.
It is more obvious than ever that Dorian absolutely owns Hulkster's --the Master Troll's--mind.
BTW, imo Vince Taylor >> Chris Cormier, but it is close and a great comparison. Chris was thicker, but Taylor had better shape. Could go either way though.
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my vote goes to vince taylor
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Hulkster is so fucking pathetic that it is beyond comprehension. Notice there hasn't been much Dorian/Ronnie discussion lately, so here he is in a Vince Taylor vs. C. Cormier thread blasting Dorian.
It is more obvious than ever that Dorian absolutely owns Hulkster's --the Master Troll's--mind.
BTW, imo Vince Taylor >> Chris Cormier, but it is close and a great comparison. Chris was thicker, but Taylor had better shape. Could go either way though.
Hulkster is a fucking tool-bag kid is lacking a lot in his life my guess is he's taking a lot of beatings in real life and when he comes on here he just gets more and he reverts to that douche who was stuffed in lockers
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The kids an idiot , he just can't grasp it ...Vince was an outstanding bodybuilder but Mr Olympia nope , he just can't look past his own hate towards Dorian to see that , Vince wasn't going to beat Haney whenever he faced Kevin he lost 95% of the time
I remember Vince taking a verbal stab at THE MIGHTY BRIT after a 91 Euro Grand Prix event but Dorian was never scared of Vince. He knew once Haney left, the title was all his. I doubt the eye injury made much of a difference. Vince was way too slim. Remember the 91, when its down to the 3rd place award? He's standing between Haney and Dorian listening out for the 3rd place check amount knowing it was his.
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No disrespect to Vinve but like I SAID he was NEVER an Olympia contender like Shawn, Kevin and Flex where. Matter of fact those 3 are tied for being THE UNCROWNED MR O!!!!! Just because Vince has beaten them at times means nothing it just means one of those 3 f'd up. Those 3 were an inch from winning the Sandow. Vince never had a chance. He was never a runner up!!! So I stand by what I said. Better than Shawn????? You must be the one on crack...he's beaten Shawn but he was not BETTER ....as for Nasser .......Nasser WAS a runner up !!!!!! So what's your point.
he's beaten shawn but was not better?...lol..
so what does "better" mean then?....oh i get it, in your eyes.
1989 vince smoked ray, and even in 91 when he was considerably off he smoked him. No doubt that Taylor was better than Ray. You just need to look at them both and its a no brainer. the only time shawn beat vince at an o was when vince was an old man and on his retirement year.
Also, when they actually competed against each other, shawn was in all time best shape. he didnt fuck it up. the year vince fucked it up , he still beat an in shape ray. Vince was superior to Ray.
To put nasser in for comparison is to have shit in your eyes. i wont even comment. this uncrowned mr o stuff is ridiculous. Now, as far as comparing who's better by different years placings is stupid also. You can only compare them when they were against each other- and , as you're clearly stating, at a mr.o. Which i have done..and vince wins.
so using your own argument, your "facts" are actually wrong.
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Hulkster,answer me this simple question.....have you ever competed yourself.
The reason i ask is because if you haven`t,then you don`t realise how other guys can look great in some contests,but not close to their best come olympia time.The physcological factor of knowing Dorian was competing was the one thing stopping them from coming into the olympia in great shape.You ask anyone who has competed and they`ll tell you how great they looked the morning of a show,but when you get backstage and see other guys in great shape,you start to get stressed out and smooth out.Thats why its pointless comparing pics of Vince,Ronnie,Nasser etc from different years,and different contests,to pics of Dorian.
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no, you say its pointless because dorian gets owned half the time in the front shots.
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no, you say its pointless because dorian gets owned half the time in the front shots.
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Troll meltdown , calm down internet-fan-boy ;)
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he's beaten shawn but was not better?...lol..
so what does "better" mean then?....oh i get it, in your eyes.
1989 vince smoked ray, and even in 91 when he was considerably off he smoked him. No doubt that Taylor was better than Ray. You just need to look at them both and its a no brainer. the only time shawn beat vince at an o was when vince was an old man and on his retirement year.
Also, when they actually competed against each other, shawn was in all time best shape. he didnt fuck it up. the year vince fucked it up , he still beat an in shape ray. Vince was superior to Ray.
To put nasser in for comparison is to have shit in your eyes. i wont even comment. this uncrowned mr o stuff is ridiculous. Now, as far as comparing who's better by different years placings is stupid also. You can only compare them when they were against each other- and , as you're clearly stating, at a mr.o. Which i have done..and vince wins.
so using your own argument, your "facts" are actually wrong.
And yet (like I said) Shawn is the uncrowned Mr. O!!!! A title Vinve never recieved.
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Hulkster is a fucking tool-bag kid is lacking a lot in his life my guess is he's taking a lot of beatings in real life and when he comes on here he just gets more and he reverts to that douche who was stuffed in lockers
Whoa, you don't post any less on here do you?
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Whoa, you don't post any less on here do you?
It's not quantity it's quality and most of his posts are spam and trolling , all he knows is the shit
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yeah. all I know is shit. ::)
yet I own ND regularly with pics like this that thoroughly debunk everything he writes: ::)
I feel bad for people that read ND's posts and don't realize that most of what he says about the sport is wrong.
like his gem that vince was never a threat to dorian or a threat to the olympia ::).
well, guess what ND? your attempt to rewrite history has failed: and Flex tells the real story like it was back then.
not your bullshit attempt to pretend like you have a clue what was going on at the time.. ::)
thankfully, many of us were following the sport back then and can call you on your bullshit.
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yeah. all I know is shit. ::)
yet I own ND regularly with pics like this that thoroughly debunk everything he writes: ::)
I feel bad for people that read ND's posts and don't realize that most of what he says about the sport is wrong.
like his gem that vince was never a threat to dorian or a threat to the olympia ::).
well, guess what ND? your attempt to rewrite history has failed: and Flex tells the real story like it was back then.
not your bullshit attempt to pretend like you have a clue what was going on at the time.. ::)
thankfully, many of us were following the sport back then and can call you on your bullshit.
troll meltdown
and yeah all you know is shit which is why Bob Chick corrected your shit , Kevin Horton corrected your shit , almost everyone who seen Yates live and in person corrected your shit , Ronnie Coleman himself doesn't agree with your shit
you know nothing it's a fact and everyone calls you on being a ignorant troll
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ND melting down because I embarassed and exposed his bullshit attempt to rewrite history.. ::)
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he's beaten shawn but was not better?...lol..
so what does "better" mean then?....oh i get it, in your eyes.
1989 vince smoked ray, and even in 91 when he was considerably off he smoked him. No doubt that Taylor was better than Ray. You just need to look at them both and its a no brainer. the only time shawn beat vince at an o was when vince was an old man and on his retirement year.
Also, when they actually competed against each other, shawn was in all time best shape. he didnt fuck it up. the year vince fucked it up , he still beat an in shape ray. Vince was superior to Ray.
To put nasser in for comparison is to have shit in your eyes. i wont even comment. this uncrowned mr o stuff is ridiculous. Now, as far as comparing who's better by different years placings is stupid also. You can only compare them when they were against each other- and , as you're clearly stating, at a mr.o. Which i have done..and vince wins.
so using your own argument, your "facts" are actually wrong.
Look I liked Vince more than those others but, how many times has he placed 2nd in the O? Nuff said!!!!
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how many pro shows has shawn won?
Vince has won 22, holding the record for a long time.
Shawn has won...2.
thats it.
dont get me wrong. I think shawn at his best would beat vince.
but we can't simple use contest records as a means of comparing physiques.
thats what ND tries and it fails miserably. you have to compare physique to physique.
not who placed where in which contest at which year..
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how many pro shows has shawn won?
Vince has won 22, holding the record for a long time.
Shawn has won...2.
thats it.
dont get me wrong. I think shawn at his best would beat vince.
but we can't simple use contest records as a means of comparing physiques.
thats what ND tries and it fails miserably. you have to compare physique to physique.
not who placed where in which contest at which year..
Shawn's goal was to win the Olympia and nothing else. He never wanted to be a Grand Prix'er. When one show is your goal, your really not going to win a lot of shows.
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ND melting down because I embarassed and exposed his bullshit attempt to rewrite history.. ::)
Rewrite history? I'm using history to outright prove you dead wrong as usual. Vince was NOT threat to Dorian history proves this
first time Dorian faced Vince was at the 1991 Mr Olympia Dorian beat him , second time they met 1991 Grand Prix of England Dorian beat him again. third time they met 1992 Mr Olympia Dorian beat him again . fourth time they met 1995 Mr Olympia Dorian beat him again , fifth time they met 1996 Grand Prix England Dorian beat him again . sixth time they met 1996 Grand Prix Germany Dorian beat him again , seventh time they met 1996 Grand Prix Spain Dorian beat him yet again
Every single time Vince Taylor met Dorian onstage he failed , therefore moron he was NO FUCKING THREAT to Dorian Yates this is history and as usual you can't counter the facts only deny them as usual
I will continue to expose you for the ignorant troll you are , keep posting and I will keep battering you into the ground with facts & history ;)
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thats what ND tries and it fails miserably. you have to compare physique to physique.
not who placed where in which contest at which year..
You have to compare physique against physique in the SAME CONTEST.Not random studio shots taken over a period of years,and then compare them to the worst possible pic of Dorian you can find.And you still haven`t answered my question,have you ever competed.?
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how many pro shows has shawn won?
Vince has won 22, holding the record for a long time.
Shawn has won...2.
thats it.
dont get me wrong. I think shawn at his best would beat vince.
but we can't simple use contest records as a means of comparing physiques.
thats what ND tries and it fails miserably. you have to compare physique to physique.
not who placed where in which contest at which year..
More stupidity by our resident dummy , we can't use contest records as a means a comparing physiques? why would we do that ::) why would we use the results from contests that directly compared physiques to physiques ::)
How did Vince's physique compare to Dorians every single time they met? he lost therefore stupid he was NO threat to Dorian , like Ronnie was no threat , like Kevin was no threat
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it's funny that this thread was meant to be between chris cormier and vince taylor but was converted for a while by nd and shalaby to be nasser vs. cormier then has been converted recently by hulkster and nd to be dorian vs. vince ;D
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it's funny that this thread was meant to be between chris cormier and vince taylor but was converted for a while by nd and shalaby to be nasser vs. cormier then has been converted recently by hulkster and nd to be dorian vs. vince ;D
As usual you guys like to switch gears to Yates it's mostly all you know ;)
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OK guys, I'll tell you the truth, both Yates and Coleman are gay and have been having an affair since 2001 - they wish ND and Hulkster would share their love for each other and end this destructive conflict.
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OK guys, I'll tell you the truth, both Yates and Coleman are gay and have been having an affair since 2001 - they wish ND and Hulkster would share their love for each other and end this destructive conflict.
There is no conflict , there are disgruntled fan-boys who's heros got their assess handed to them by Dorian so now they have to try and prove their heros were better in every thread that has absolutely nothing to do with them .
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There is no conflict , there are disgruntled fan-boys who's heros got their assess handed to them by Dorian so now they have to try and prove their heros were better in every thread that has absolutely nothing to do with them .
Come on, you both feed of it.
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Come on, you both feed of it.
It's not the only topic I post on it's the only topic they eat
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Seems like there's an equal amount of trolling from both parties. Acting all classy and mature on an internet bodybuilding forum seems false somehow anyway.
P.S. Do you really have to beat someone at a show to count as a threat? I mean Levrone was a threat to Ronnie several times at the O but he never beat him after 98. I suppose Dorian was rarely beaten, but it's not like in '92 he was already Dorian Yates 6XMr O, back then he was still Dorian Yates no times Mr O, so I find it believable that even if he was the favourite, he hadn't actually won it yet and other people were still in the running, and you never know until the show and all that.
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Seems like there's an equal amount of trolling from both parties.
Not at all. ND is always rational and sticks to discussing the issue logically. Hulkster is all about personal attacks and disrespecting Dorian every chance he gets, even in threads that have nothing to do with the guy.
Plus, ND posts in all kinds of threads, but Hulkster only posts about Ronnie and Dorian, with one post out of every 1000 or so talking about bush (not the president) ;D
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Seems like there's an equal amount of trolling from both parties. Acting all classy and mature on an internet bodybuilding forum seems false somehow anyway.
P.S. Do you really have to beat someone at a show to count as a threat? I mean Levrone was a threat to Ronnie several times at the O but he never beat him after 98. I suppose Dorian was rarely beaten, but it's not like in '92 he was already Dorian Yates 6XMr O, back then he was still Dorian Yates no times Mr O, so I find it believable that even if he was the favourite, he hadn't actually won it yet and other people were still in the running, and you never know until the show and all that.
wrong as usual . I don't feel the need to post in every single Ronnie or Yates thread , Hulkster does .
and Yates was already sending shock waves through the bodybuilding community before he won the title in his very first Mr Olympia he outright beat an all-time best Lee Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10 pounds lighter , no one did this to Haney before . Yates was the hands down odds-on favorite to win the Olympia in 92 with Kevin ranking pretty high up as well despite his rookie status
You're just another typical guy who ' just doesn't get it ' when it comes to Yates and constantly undermine his greatness . his record speaks for it's self never placed below second in a pro contest and only lost twice as a pro that speaks volumes of how dominating he was
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Not at all. ND is always rational and sticks to discussing the issue logically. Hulkster is all about personal attacks and disrespecting Dorian every chance he gets, even in threads that have nothing to do with the guy.
Plus, ND posts in all kinds of threads, but Hulkster only posts about Ronnie and Dorian, with one post out of every 1000 or so talking about bush (not the president) ;D
I thank you sir ! spot-on as usual.
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I thought this thread was about Vince Taylor and Chris Cormier, a great comparison. Oh wait, the Dorian-obsessed Hulkster hijacked it. It's just sad, F**king sad how much Dorian occupies his every thought. Let it go Hulkster, you'll be better for it. :)
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I thought this thread was about Vince Taylor and Chris Cormier, a great comparison. Oh wait, the Dorian-obsessed Hulkster hijacked it. It's just sad, F**king sad how much Dorian occupies his every thought. Let it go Hulkster, you'll be better for it. :)
Great post !
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Just speaking the truth. He gets more and more pathetic -- he runs out of things to do when there are no ongoing Dorian/Ronnie threads, so he brings his biased bullshit into threads that are completely unrelated. Oh well, enough about him; he will continue to live in his little Dorian-bashing-Ronnie-crazed fantasy bubble wherein he posts the same shots that we have seen for years now.
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Just speaking the truth. He gets more and more pathetic -- he runs out of things to do when there are no ongoing Dorian/Ronnie threads, so he brings his biased bullshit into threads that are completely unrelated. Oh well, enough about him; he will continue to live in his little Dorian-bashing-Ronnie-crazed fantasy bubble wherein he posts the same shots that we have seen for years now.
Don't forget he knows more than the judges and everyone else about who should've placed where - all from just a handful of pics from MuscleTime.com ;D
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vince taylor won the nationals at 188 lbs at i think 32/33 yrs old,competed at 208 at 1st few olympia's,had some of the best arm/delt tie in and was by 91/92 one of the best bbers going.as the nineties went on he was competing at 230/240 he's 5'8 ,and still had good look without getting a bigger waist,props
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Don't forget he knows more than the judges and everyone else about who should've placed where - all from just a handful of pics from MuscleTime.com ;D
yeah exactly , he figured it all out ::)
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vince taylor won the nationals at 188 lbs at i think 32/33 yrs old,competed at 208 at 1st few olympia's,had some of the best arm/delt tie in and was by 91/92 one of the best bbers going.as the nineties went on he was competing at 230/240 he's 5'8 ,and still had good look without getting a bigger waist,props
Right on the money baby.
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You have to compare physique against physique in the SAME CONTEST.Not random studio shots taken over a period of years,and then compare them to the worst possible pic of Dorian you can find.And you still haven`t answered my question,have you ever competed.?
no I have not competed. neither has Flowerboy and most of this board.
you don't need to have to competed to know how to assess a physique properly based on IFBB judging standards..so don't even go there.
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with one post out of every 1000 or so talking about bush (not the president)
thats because I love bush. not the president. 8)
unlike ND who loves the man sausage. especially the english kind.. :-X
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no I have not competed. neither has Flowerboy and most of this board.
you don't need to have to competed to know how to assess a physique properly based on IFBB judging standards..so don't even go there.
That's the problem you don't even know what the IFBB judging criteria is , I told you , you never once explained to me how contests work ...you were asking how Dorian could win a symmetry round with a torn bicep and Bob Chick had to explain it to you and you still don't get it , Kevin Horton had to tell you pics are worthless unless you were there ..lots of professionals correcting your bullshit
and besides not knowing what the criteria even is you don't even know how to assess a physique , recall Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian? Dorian lost the 93 Olympia to Flex , 2001 Ronnie dominated , you're the complete fucking idiot who said you're just as qualified to judge a contest sitting at home on the internet as the IFBB judges were live and in person , your opinion is shit
I will continue to show everyone on this board how fucking stupid you are , I've been doing for a long time now so it's nothing new
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thats because I love bush. not the president. 8)
unlike ND who loves the man sausage. especially the english kind.. :-X
Hahahahaha which is why Kevin Horton had to constantly remind you Ronnie was happily married ;)
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Just speaking the truth. He gets more and more pathetic -- he runs out of things to do when there are no ongoing Dorian/Ronnie threads, so he brings his biased bullshit into threads that are completely unrelated. Oh well, enough about him; he will continue to live in his little Dorian-bashing-Ronnie-crazed fantasy bubble wherein he posts the same shots that we have seen for years now.
Great post ! especially about the pathetic part ;D
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Think VT's back can fit in that comparison?
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Think VT's back can fit in that comparison?
Dont think so
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Dont think so
Yet some say Vince was a bigger contender to the title than Shawn, Flex and Kevin (3 who had better back development!!!!).