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I've always thought it was fun to research and find what theory is bogus and what theory has merit. I also enjoy coming up with my own theories. I think this is just basic human nature, seeking the truth. Yes I do know that there are a lot of conspiracy theories that are complete bullshit, but there are also some that are on to something legit. Sure there are some nuts willing to pass on and accept every theory put out. Why are people so persistent in accepting the given story and so unwilling to entertain other possible courses? I really think if the major attitude of society is to accept the given story and anybody who questions it is nuts, it's a free pass for wrongdoing on the highest levels. Why don't people just take it serious and say, wait, let's do some research and see if there is something here? Instead there is a great number of people that become instantly hostile the moment you cross the official story... Really? I mean, Really? It upsets you so much that someone dares question? What gives?
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1) Many ppl will look at which political party is behind a CT, or hurt by it, before subscribing or giving it any merit. When they say "Sure, I think Bush flooded new orleans!" or some other silly shit, it's because they don't like Bush. These ppl suck.
2) Others believe the whole world is out to get them, and that some men in suits in some mountain lair are plotting on a world takeover. Everything from the price of eggs to the shape of clouds is because some evil dude planned it that way. These people are loons.
3) Some people believe everything FOX news or msn tells them, and feel that profit would never come before human life in the real world. These folks are naive and just plain stupid.
4) Some people know there is some shady shit that will always go on, and they are fascinated by it but don't let it ruin their day. You made a quote recently that spoke volumes - what was it? For a couple hundred dollars, some people will kill a person. For a couple thousand... etc etc?
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4) Some people know there is some shady shit that will always go on, and they are fascinated by it but don't let it ruin their day. You made a quote recently that spoke volumes - what was it? For a couple hundred dollars, some people will kill a person. For a couple thousand... etc etc?
cool, I'm quote worthy :D
"People kill for lousy hundreds of dollars, some engage in conspiracy for thousands of dollars and we all know the lengths some go to for millions of dollars, even their own family is not off limits then. I'm supposed to look the other way when billions are on the line?"--Hugo Chavez :D
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"People kill for lousy hundreds of dollars, some engage in conspiracy for thousands of dollars and we all know the lengths some go to for millions of dollars, even their own family is not off limits then. I'm supposed to look the other way when billions are on the line?"--Hugo Chavez :D
yeah, that's some true stuff right there.
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You guys are right. Most people base it on which party/politician/belief they have as to whether or not it's acceptable.
I usually base a lot of mine on the scale of it. Covering something up when it would take hundreds, or thousands, of co-conspirators, without any credible leaks is extremely hard to do. Not saying it could never happen, but the more people involved it would take to pull it off, the odds go way down.
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You guys are right. Most people base it on which party/politician/belief they have as to whether or not it's acceptable.
I usually base a lot of mine on the scale of it. Covering something up when it would take hundreds, or thousands, of co-conspirators, without any credible leaks is extremely hard to do. Not saying it could never happen, but the more people involved it would take to pull it off, the odds go way down.
I think the obvious things that are right in our faces every day are far far worse than any CT's I have heard lately.
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Good thread Hugo.
My problem with the Truth movement is that it is very similar to a religious sect.
Anything that would undermine their own version of the "truth" is blatantly disregarded.
But to the actual question. Why do some people, myself included, feel threatened by the conspiracy theorists?
Well Hugo.
Because it's just like back in Germany in the 30's, or when religious mad men tries to take control over education in school.
In all those cases, beliefs would dictate facts.
Hugo, imagine yourself how it would be with a congress filled with people who believe some Jewish family (Rothschilds) is plotting to control the world.
Or a president. ???
"Mr CIA Director, I want you to investigate the options for how to take care of the Rothschild problem" ::)
Yeah. That would be real brilliant.
Or in the state of the union speech:
"I pledge to the US people that we will get to the bottom of this Illuminati thing. We will go after them at any cost. Anyone protecting them is considered an enemy of the USA"
So yeah. I think conspiracy theorists are potentially dangerous.
They're potentially anti-democratic.
I think you can see the pattern of extremism in these groups, be it right-wing or left-wing.
But I think it's also important to discuss why these types of groups occur.
I believe it is due to a lack of faith in the current political establishment.
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I think the obvious things that are right in our faces every day are far far worse than any CT's I have heard lately.
Very true. I think people get excited about the "big" CT's.....but it's the everyday stuff that has a much larger impact on their lives. Yet, they don't want to bother with those.
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Very true. I think people get excited about the "big" CT's.....but it's the everyday stuff that has a much larger impact on their lives. Yet, they don't want to bother with those.
Serious, I post things about some of the bills coming down the pike and a few posters get the reality of it.
However, someone, who I will not name, posts about Palins' baby,. and all of a sudden its a feeding frenzy of axctivity.
I post about how legislation will mandate you retro-fit your home at your own cost, and nothing.
I post about GS and how it will make hundreds of billions on a new derivative market literally created out of thin air where we will all get fucked, and nothing.
Its incredible.
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Serious, I post things about some of the bills coming down the pike and a few posters get the reality of it.
However, someone, who I will not name, posts about Palins' baby,. and all of a sudden its a feeding frenzy of axctivity.
I post about how legislation will mandate you retro-fit your home at your own cost, and nothing.
I post about GS and how it will make hundreds of billions on a new derivative market literally created out of thin air where we will all get fucked, and nothing.
Its incredible.
You know what?
If you would spin it with some theory about how there is a secret society trying to push an agenda, I'm sure you would have more luck in getting responses.
Instead of just pointing out that there is corruption and greed in general.
I'm serious.
Eg, nano technology science and breakthroughs in that area can be spinned into government "potentially" injecting controlling chips at birth.
Or when there is an actual breakout of the swine flu in Ukraine, the "Truthers" will disregard any information that points in that direction, but instead speculate that it all was planted there - by some corporation. Or government. Or whatever.
And sure. That's much more interesting to discuss than actual political issues.
Such as bank bailouts, unemployment rates, et al.
Some guys take the time to address the truth movement. David Aaronovitch of the Times in UK, eg.
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No kidding Hedge. I post things from mostly very reputable sources. Sometimes I post things from wacky sources, but not most of the times.
The things I see happening right out in the open are shocking to anyone with a clue. Sadly, most people are clueless and buy into the MSM nonsense.
As far as the 9/11 stuff goes, i have no doubt that some might weant to do it etc, but at least present some credible facts and theories that at least hold up to an ounce of scrutiny and common sense.
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Amazing Hedge, I've been called a lot of things for believing a few theories but this is a first being compared to a Nazi. go check out the abovetopsecret forum. you'll see many threads were both skeptic and theorist debate in a civilized way. People that saw problems with my own material on JFK were actually very helpfull and i along with others DO listen to skeptics. I'm thrilled as hell when skeptics take you serious enough to talk it out without resorting to sarcastic condemnation.
Hedge, you know how Nazis point to what some Jews do and paint it as a universal truth of all Jews? yea... ;)
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I dont think ppl are threatened by CT's but alot of CTers think there ct is the truth...this is what gets me, you have idiots running around thinking bush planned 9/11, aliens are running around willy nilly abducting ppl etc etc...
its fine to be open to new different ideas and ish but dont go posting some idiotic shit off youtube and saying its truth.
not to pick on 240 but his nat enq and dailykos bs with palin and her baby is a prime example... ::)
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I dont think ppl are threatened by CT's but alot of CTers think there ct is the truth...this is what gets me, you have idiots running around thinking bush planned 9/11, aliens are running around willy nilly abducting ppl etc etc...
its fine to be open to new different ideas and ish but dont go posting some idiotic shit off youtube and saying its truth.
not to pick on 240 but his nat enq and dailykos bs with palin and her baby is a prime example... ::)
As far as the 9/11 CT's go, all I have asked is that the proponents put forth the best evidence they have and lets look at it.
All i have seen circular questions, disjointed theories with no logical or relaistic cohesion, and speculation.
Give and provide fact and we can discuss it. Until then, its pure nonsense.
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I don’t think anyone is “threatened” by conspiracy theories. Which is probably because most of them are laughably stupid. Just look at how the CT’s work on this forum. You have the same four retards making threads about how everything that happens in this world is a conspiracy by the NWO or some shadowy cult aiming for world dominance. You put your left sock on first this morning? Illuminati ploy!!!
There is zero factual backing of 99% of the crap posted on here. It’s always opinion devoid of science or reason. I must have missed where Youtube became a legitimate source of information. Anyone with a computer can upload a video (as evidence by most of the CT garbage posted on there) and is the video equivalent of wikipedia. You disprove a point of their argument or ask for a study and how do most CTers react? They thump their chest while avoiding your points and instead link another shady website with nothing but unsubstantiated opinions, or like in Hugo’s case, delete the post.
Take the chemtrails for example. “I grew up in Colorado and I CAN TELL FOR 100% FACT (!!!!) that these are dangerous chemicals being sprayed on us.” Despite the fact that there are zero studies showing chemtrails to be dangerous, these people know with 100% certainty that they are, even though they personally haven’t been affected nor had any major health changes in their lives.
The Bilderberg junk is another good example. Some guy makes a website where he claims that he was an insider on the meeting and has a copy of everything said in the meeting. Some organization that is supposed to so secretive that you can't even get near them during the meeting is going to let some random guy who lives in his mother's basement get a copy of their agenda for their yearly meeting? I didn't think people were stupid enough to actually believe that junk.
How can people expect to be taken seriously when they believe aliens blew up a meteor with a laser beam as a warning to Earth? It’s just dumb.
I chalk it up to the morons like Hugo who have a hard-on for losers like Alex Jones. I also expect this post to be deleted by the dork.
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As far as the 9/11 stuff goes, i have no doubt that some might weant to do it etc, but at least present some credible facts and theories that at least hold up to an ounce of scrutiny and common sense.
at the VERY least...
we know that someone in the USA bet on those airlines' stock to drop the day before 911. They knew something. They were never investigated because "they werent al-quida" from the 911 report.
That's a load of shit right there.
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I love CT's. I agree, i don't anyone who is "threatened" by them. I think it's a phenomena that seemingly intelligent people can fall for the wildest CT's.
I think a CT forum should be started.
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at the VERY least...
we know that someone in the USA bet on those airlines' stock to drop the day before 911. They knew something. They were never investigated because "they werent al-quida" from the 911 report.
That's a load of shit right there.
240,
Who exactly bet on those stocks to drop?
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at the VERY least...
we know that someone in the USA bet on those airlines' stock to drop the day before 911. They knew something. They were never investigated because "they werent al-quida" from the 911 report.
That's a load of shit right there.
Ok 240 - Like I said, lets get facts on the table and discuss them, not in a vacumm, but in full consideration of everything else. If the theory holds up, lets look at it.
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240,
Who exactly bet on those stocks to drop?
we dunno. it wasn't investigated because it wasn't 19 arabs.
but we know it was something like 10 and 20x higher than normal, and only on those 2 airlines.
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we dunno. it wasn't investigated because it wasn't 19 arabs.
but we know it was something like 10 and 20x higher than normal, and only on those 2 airlines.
How do we know it was 10 or 20X higher on those 2 airlines and no one can find out who it was?
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Ok 240 - Like I said, lets get facts on the table and discuss them, not in a vacumm, but in full consideration of everything else. If the theory holds up, lets look at it.
I disagree.
Instead of saying "There was either a vast conspiracy, or it was just 19 guys"...
Instead of that, you should investigate the ppl who made $ off trades before 911 (and by the way - they never collected the money!!!)
Don't make it a case of all or nothing. Maybe more than 19 guys knew. Maybe 30. maybe 40. If some white guys in ties were planning on making $ off the trades - then you should lock their asses up, right? Wall street ended up getting closed, and the story breaking about the stocks scared them out of collecting, right?
So yeah, you don't try to prove some grand plan. You prove 5 or 10 guys knew (in addition to those 19). Then you go from there.
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How do we know it was 10 or 20X higher on those 2 airlines and no one can find out who it was?
www.google.com
It's also in the 911 report, and I think it's in that 911 commission/ommission, distortion book you read.
It was never investigated because they weren't al-Q.
And that's just weird man.
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You disprove a point of their argument or ask for a study and how do most CTers react? They thump their chest while avoiding your points and instead link another shady website with nothing but unsubstantiated opinions, or like in Hugo’s case, delete the post.
It seems to me to be the direct opposite of the thread title. Like BF notes, question the CT'r and THEY get bent out of shape.
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I disagree.
Instead of saying "There was either a vast conspiracy, or it was just 19 guys"...
Instead of that, you should investigate the ppl who made $ off trades before 911 (and by the way - they never collected the money!!!)
Don't make it a case of all or nothing. Maybe more than 19 guys knew. Maybe 30. maybe 40. If some white guys in ties were planning on making $ off the trades - then you should lock their asses up, right? Wall street ended up getting closed, and the story breaking about the stocks scared them out of collecting, right?
So yeah, you don't try to prove some grand plan. You prove 5 or 10 guys knew (in addition to those 19). Then you go from there.
No, because that plays the burden of proof on the person trying to debunk the theory.
If you put forth a CT, you need to be prepared with fact, logic, motive, opportunity, and ability to carry it out.
I have never said i dont believe any CT, only that every one i have ever seen never holds up to even the most basic scrutiny or logic.
240 - you always say I know about economics, but not this. Fine. Give me your best evidence of a 9/11 CT and what you have to back it up.
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www.google.com
It's also in the 911 report, and I think it's in that 911 commission/ommission, distortion book you read.
It was never investigated because they weren't al-Q.
And that's just weird man.
www.deflection.com
Just tell me you can't answer the question.
You mean to tell with all these truthers running around, alex jones, loose change etc... they haven't found out?
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sorry, this argument got old for me 4 years ago. I have to make some $ tonight lol... and football is on! I start this discussion and suddenly it's 11 pm and I'm still going at it, and we're on page 8 of this thread.
my opinion is that others knew, maybe didn't act, and they got rich off it, and they sure got away with it.
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www.deflection.com
Just tell me you can't answer the question.
i'll go re-read that book and give you the exact line of the official report where they state that the put options weren't investigated because no ties to al-Q.
Or no, i wont. that's better. no time man. read and believe what you want.
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i'll go re-read that book and give you the exact line of the official report where they state that the put options weren't investigated because no ties to al-Q.
Or no, i wont. that's better. no time man. read and believe what you want.
I don't doubt people had forehand knowledge. 19 guys didn't do this all by themselves. But with all the Truthers, alex jones, loose change etc... no one can find out?
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sorry if you feel condemned Hugo. Wasn't my intent.
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I don't doubt people had forehand knowledge. 19 guys didn't do this all by themselves.
we're on the same page.
i dont subscribe to anything other than that.
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we're on the same page.
i dont subscribe to anything other than that.
240 - What is your "best evidence" of a CT other than the 19 hijackers?
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Some people have become so used to a way of being/a mindset/an appearance of life, that to pull back the cutains, remove the blinders, reveal the truth is too much for them to accept; so they fight tooth and nail to keep the truth from being revealed or at the very least to keep the reality far removed from themeselves.
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Some people have become so used to a way of being/a mindset/an appearance of life, that to pull back the cutains, remove the blinders, reveal the truth is too much for them to accept; so they fight tooth and nail to keep the truth from being revealed or at the very least to keep the reality far removed from themeselves.
holy shit ! a good post by samson :D
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I don't doubt people had forehand knowledge. 19 guys didn't do this all by themselves. But with all the Truthers, alex jones, loose change etc... no one can find out?
Im on a whole nother level of crazy ... you have truth movements that have been infiltrated and individuals like AJ knowingly or unknowingly planting information to steer discussions off course. your point is a good example of what I mean.
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It seems to me to be the direct opposite of the thread title. Like BF notes, question the CT'r and THEY get bent out of shape.
It's a common tactic. I think it has to do with the fact that most of the CTs amount to nothing more than gut feelings and when confronted with facts or evidence they'll act like an animal backed into a corner and lash out.
Samson123 (Hugo Chavez's gimmick) is a perfect example of this. Ask for a scientific study or any sort of evidence and he goes right off the deep end.
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http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762/ (http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762/)
Four reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories
By Andrew Nusca | Sep 10, 2009 |
Did NASA really land on the moon?
Did the government cover-up involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks?
Is Elvis still alive and kicking? What about Michael Jackson?
Was John F. Kennedy assassinated at the hands of multiple shooters?
Do the Freemasons control the United States?
A small but fervent group of people believe there was more than included in historical record about the aforementioned events. Conspiracies, they call them. And every generation has its own.
Some of them turn about to be true, after all: Pearl Harbor was a Japanese conspiracy and Nixon’s Watergate break-in was a coverup.
But with so few that turn out to be true, why do people believe in conspiracies?
A new article in Scientific American tries to figure that out. Michael Shermer outlines in his “Skeptic” column four traits of those who believe:
* patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise;
* agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agent;
* confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory evidence for what we already believe;
* hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened.
A conspiracy theory takes flight when all of these are concocted into a heady mix of conviction. It’s called “conspiratorial cognition,” and it’s the fuel driving belief in Bigfoot, Area 51’s UFOs and the paranormal.
But research has been thin on precisely why some have a conspiratorial dispensation.
Back in 2007, Patrick Leman wrote in the New Scientist that belief in conspiracy theories is on the rise thanks to the distribution power of the Internet.
Take the JFK conspiracy, for example: In 1968, two of every 10 Americans believed it to be true. In 1990, nine of 10 Americans believed it to be true.
Leman writes:
Conspiracy theories can have a valuable role in society. We need people to think “outside the box”, even if there is usually more sense to be found inside the box.
Take the Iran-Contra affair, a massive political scandal of the late 1980s. When claims first surfaced that the US government had sold arms to its enemy Iran to raise funds for pro-American rebel forces in Nicaragua and to help secure the release of US hostages taken by Iran, it certainly sounded like yet another convoluted conspiracy theory. Several question marks remain over the affair, but President Ronald Reagan admitted that his administration had indeed sold arms to Iran.
On the other hand, distrust contributed to an inflation of the East-West fears during the Cold War, as well as continued belief by some that HIV (which causes AIDS) was created in a lab and distributed by the U.S. government to limit the growth of the African-American population.
Some points from his article:
* People who believe in one theory are more likely to believe in others.
* There is a strong association between income and belief levels: the better-off are less likely to believe in conspiracy theories. (Perhaps this can be chalked up to education.)
* Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; people prefer to imagine living in a predictable, safe world. Some conspiracy theories offer accounts that feel “safe” or “predictable.”
* Conspiracy theories often mutate over time in light of new or contradicting evidence.
* Conspiracies usually require a big newsworthy event on which to peg it.
But it’s Shermer who drives the point home. He writes:
“The more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.”
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240 - What is your "best evidence" of a CT other than the 19 hijackers?
The brave military, FDNY, NYPD who have come fwd with concerns on the official story.
Also, the commissioners who wrote the 911 reports have since called it inadequate and said we need another to fill in all the holes. They're upset about info that never made it to them.
If the 2 co-chairs say we need another investigation (as agrees ozmo), why would I claim to know more than them?
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http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762/ (http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762/)
Four reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories
By Andrew Nusca | Sep 10, 2009 |
Did NASA really land on the moon?
Did the government cover-up involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks?
Is Elvis still alive and kicking? What about Michael Jackson?
Was John F. Kennedy assassinated at the hands of multiple shooters?
Do the Freemasons control the United States?
A small but fervent group of people believe there was more than included in historical record about the aforementioned events. Conspiracies, they call them. And every generation has its own.
Some of them turn about to be true, after all: Pearl Harbor was a Japanese conspiracy and Nixon’s Watergate break-in was a coverup.
But with so few that turn out to be true, why do people believe in conspiracies?
A new article in Scientific American tries to figure that out. Michael Shermer outlines in his “Skeptic” column four traits of those who believe:
* patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise;
* agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agent;
* confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory evidence for what we already believe;
* hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened.
A conspiracy theory takes flight when all of these are concocted into a heady mix of conviction. It’s called “conspiratorial cognition,” and it’s the fuel driving belief in Bigfoot, Area 51’s UFOs and the paranormal.
But research has been thin on precisely why some have a conspiratorial dispensation.
Back in 2007, Patrick Leman wrote in the New Scientist that belief in conspiracy theories is on the rise thanks to the distribution power of the Internet.
Take the JFK conspiracy, for example: In 1968, two of every 10 Americans believed it to be true. In 1990, nine of 10 Americans believed it to be true.
Leman writes:
Conspiracy theories can have a valuable role in society. We need people to think “outside the box”, even if there is usually more sense to be found inside the box.
Take the Iran-Contra affair, a massive political scandal of the late 1980s. When claims first surfaced that the US government had sold arms to its enemy Iran to raise funds for pro-American rebel forces in Nicaragua and to help secure the release of US hostages taken by Iran, it certainly sounded like yet another convoluted conspiracy theory. Several question marks remain over the affair, but President Ronald Reagan admitted that his administration had indeed sold arms to Iran.
On the other hand, distrust contributed to an inflation of the East-West fears during the Cold War, as well as continued belief by some that HIV (which causes AIDS) was created in a lab and distributed by the U.S. government to limit the growth of the African-American population.
Some points from his article:
* People who believe in one theory are more likely to believe in others.
* There is a strong association between income and belief levels: the better-off are less likely to believe in conspiracy theories. (Perhaps this can be chalked up to education.)
* Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; people prefer to imagine living in a predictable, safe world. Some conspiracy theories offer accounts that feel “safe” or “predictable.”
* Conspiracy theories often mutate over time in light of new or contradicting evidence.
* Conspiracies usually require a big newsworthy event on which to peg it.
But it’s Shermer who drives the point home. He writes:
“The more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.”
Who would have thunk that. Hahahahaha!!
Agenticity seems to be the CT trait of choice among Getdumb's finest.
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The brave military, FDNY, NYPD who have come fwd with concerns on the official story.
Also, the commissioners who wrote the 911 reports have since called it inadequate and said we need another to fill in all the holes. They're upset about info that never made it to them.
If the 2 co-chairs say we need another investigation (as agrees ozmo), why would I claim to know more than them?
That's the best evidence?
(you still got about 2 hours before kick off. ;D)
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I think a CT forum should be started.
:o very funny...
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sorry if you feel condemned Hugo. Wasn't my intent.
WHAT? You basically say we're zealots and nazis and then say, sorry no offense intended? uh, yea.... sure... ::)
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:o very funny...
I remember you had a thread on it. I wasn't sure then. But i think now it would be a good idea. I'll be the skeptic mod ;D
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Nice find Ozmo. That article not only brings up all the negatives of the CT's, but also the few positives.
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so ok, now add Ozmo saying we're broke and uneducated. So we're extremist nazis without jobs and with little to no education. why stop there fellas, keep going. Oh I forgot, hedge also said we are anti-democratic and dangerous. Anything else? Gotta be something out there to show we're mentally ill pedophiles or something...
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LOL
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so ok, now add Ozmo saying we're broke and uneducated. So we're extremist nazis without jobs and with little to no education. why stop there fellas, keep going. Oh I forgot, hedge also said we are anti-democratic and dangerous. Anything else? Gotta be something out there to show we're mentally ill pedophiles or something...
They make a good point. Most CT'ers ARE uneducated, clueless morons. You and the rest of Getdumb's finest CT nutjobs fit the bill. Alex Jones isn't college educated, either. :D
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so ok, now add Ozmo saying we're broke and uneducated. So we're extremist nazis without jobs and with little to no education. why stop there fellas, keep going. Oh I forgot, hedge also said we were anti-democratic and dangerous. Anything else? Gotta be something out there to show we're mentally ill pedophiles or something...
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Hold your horses there padre!
I didn't say that. Lehman did! It was part of the article i posted as part of this discussion.
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Hold your horses there padre!
I didn't say that. Lehman did! It was part of the article i posted as part of this discussion.
They hit the nail on the head.
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Hold your horses there padre!
I didn't say that. Lehman did! It was part of the article i posted as part of this discussion.
so you don't believe it? clearly BF does so I'll keep it listed in that post. Keep going guys, I want to get a clear picture of just how pathetic I and other CTrs are. You brought the article, keep going, this is getting good.
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so you don't believe it? clearly BF does so I'll keep it listed in that post. Keep going guys, I want to get a clear picture of just how pathetic I and other CTrs are. You brought the article, keep going, this is getting good.
What are you trying to accomplish with this? You think people are supposed to respect you losers? You guys see conspiracies in everything. It's laughably pathetic. And I'll agree 100% with the notion that most CTers are uneducated, impoverished losers.
Proof below. A beacon of educated success? I doubt it.
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so you don't believe it? clearly BF does so I'll keep it listed in that post. Keep going guys, I want to get a clear picture of just how pathetic I and other CTrs are. You brought the article, keep going, this is getting good.
I father is highly educated, Masters, top 2% of earners etc.. and he believes in the JFK conspiracy.
The key word in the article is "LESS LIKELY"
I may not agree with you Hugo, and or may not believe the same things you do. But you are not an uneducated person. Neither is 240.
You not really a CT'er in my book anyway. You don't usually make the accusation and then work back words to prove it. You usually discuss the questions.
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Looks like the guy in the photo is now officially a skeptic of chemtrails:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=16269626&blogId=511078162
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=304225.0;attach=345886;image)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........ .
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So he loses the green goatee and looks more distinguished when he becomes a skeptic of chemtrails. Guess CTer and stupidity DO go hand in hand. Don't worry Hugo, I'd consider you one of Getdumb's finest regardless of whether or not you believe in CTs. You go above and beyond in that regard.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........ .....
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So he loses the green goatee and looks more distinguished when he becomes a skeptic of chemtrails. Guess CTer and stupidity DO go hand in hand. Don't worry Hugo, I'd consider you one of Getdumb's finest regardless of whether or not you believe in CTs. You go above and beyond in that regard.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........ .....
What the fuck, you always make shit up. Look at his myspace page. He's a musician and there's a shitload of pics with strange hair dyes. dude is a hippie, doesn't look like he changed that.
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To be clear, you guys are grouping the tinfoil hat-wearing CTers who believe aliens caused Katrina.... with those who believe any govt leader lied about anything in history.
A "CT" is what... a belief in something other than the official govt story on an event?
So, if you believe that any white house ever lied about ANYTHING, then yes, you are a conspiracy theorist.
That's what makes you guys look like douches. When you group them all together. The loons and those who believe soemtimes people will lie for power or money.
If you think Clinton lied about this or that - and your belief goes against what was the official govt line at the time - then you're a CTer. Suck on that.
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I "believe" there is intelligent life int he galaxy with the ability to travel and visit our planet.
our govt denies it. You are a conspiracy theorist.
And that puts you on the same level as 911 'troofers', birthers, and people who believe all other nonsense.
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240, I am a big fan of John Pilger. He mapped out how tony Blair was in bed with Rupert Murdoch (Fox).
I had no trouble believing it, because every claim had sources and the book didn't carry some wild theory either.
It was all just pretty much hard facts.
Very good read despite the lack of claims that Murdoch is a member of some secret society or similar nonsense.
I consider both you and Hugo to be bright and educated blokes. Also think this topic start is an interesting one.
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our govt denies it. You are a conspiracy theorist.
And that puts you on the same level as 911 'troofers', birthers, and people who believe all other nonsense.
And? Is that supposed to goad in me into some sort of defense? I don't care.
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And? Is that supposed to goad in me into some sort of defense? I don't care.
So can you split up the conspiracy theorists?
Or are they all just lumped into one crazy loon bunch?
We are in agreement there is probably "something" out there - the list of astronauts and presidents and world leaders that agree is pretty telling, as is the number of sightings and those nasa videos.
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I've never asked this but I've been curious ... had a few ... is the only reason why I am asking ... am I in the kook crew? :D
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I've never asked this but I've been curious ... had a few ... is the only reason why I am asking ... am I in the kook crew? :D
I think Getbig's new CT board should address this.
Any accusation on the main politics board - where the posted says Obama or any leader is lying - should immediately be moved to the Conspiracy theory board.
If you defy the official govt storyline on anything, from 911 to Obama's stance on anything, then you are subscribing to alternative beliefs which lie outside the official govt narrative.
This is why a CT board is risky. Who gets to decide what is a CT?
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I've never asked this but I've been curious ... had a few ... is the only reason why I am asking ... am I in the kook crew? :D
mb, you don't post enough of your opinion to be labeled anything. You just drop questions and see how other people answer. mixed in with calling this or that a distraction. But you rarely make a case for anything.
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WHAT? You basically say we're zealots and nazis and then say, sorry no offense intended? uh, yea.... sure... ::)
I don't think the typical Truther is interested in a differing opinion. Or that they care much for facts that hurts their theories.
that's what they got in common with extremists.
But you are not a truther IMO.Eg, you don't discard info just because it goes against your beliefs.
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I don't think the typical Truther is interested in a differing opinion. Or that they care much for facts that hurts their theories.
that's what they got in common with extremists.
But you are not a truther IMO.Eg, you don't discard info just because it goes against your beliefs.
Yes he does.
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I think Getbig's new CT board should address this.
Any accusation on the main politics board - where the posted says Obama or any leader is lying - should immediately be moved to the Conspiracy theory board.
If you defy the official govt storyline on anything, from 911 to Obama's stance on anything, then you are subscribing to alternative beliefs which lie outside the official govt narrative.
This is why a CT board is risky. Who gets to decide what is a CT?
what about a nothing gets moved policy. If you want to post on the CT board, fine, if you don't, fine. I doubt we will get a CT board but just saying. That would work and wouldn't piss off anybody.
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mb, you don't post enough of your opinion to be labeled anything. You just drop questions and see how other people answer. mixed in with calling this or that a distraction. But you rarely make a case for anything.
Ha, yes I agree, cause I like other people to form their own opinions than me telling them what I think. This is why I post the way I do. :D
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So can you split up the conspiracy theorists?
Or are they all just lumped into one crazy loon bunch?
How is believing there is life on other planets capable of visiting earth make me a conspiracy theorist? Did i say the government is hiding it from us?
We are in agreement there is probably "something" out there - the list of astronauts and presidents and world leaders that agree is pretty telling, as is the number of sightings and those nasa videos.
So by your previous assertion the president is on the same level as truthers? Or were you just trying to put on the defensive by lumping into the LOONEY CT'er category?
And i can split up CT'ers. Looney, Nuts, Whack Jobs, and plausible.
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I think Getbig's new CT board should address this.
Any accusation on the main politics board - where the posted says Obama or any leader is lying - should immediately be moved to the Conspiracy theory board.
If you defy the official govt storyline on anything, from 911 to Obama's stance on anything, then you are subscribing to alternative beliefs which lie outside the official govt narrative.
This is why a CT board is risky. Who gets to decide what is a CT?
No, that's stupid.
The board should focus on established CT's. Reptilian Diana, Moon bots, JFK, Aids, etc...
Based on "lying in politics" would force us to change the name of the politics board to CT! ;D
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How is believing there is life on other planets capable of visiting earth make me a conspiracy theorist? Did i say the government is hiding it from us?
So by your previous assertion the president is on the same level as truthers? Or were you just trying to put on the defensive by lumping into the LOONEY CT'er category?
And i can split up CT'ers. Looney, Nuts, Whack Jobs, and plausible.
plausible is your highest possible rating? doesn't give much room for hope with the person you're debating lol...
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And i can split up CT'ers. Looney, Nuts, Whack Jobs, and plausible.
where's an orange color-coded system when you need one?
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plausible is your highest possible rating? doesn't give much room for hope with the person you're debating lol...
There many plausible conspiracy theories. JFK is one.
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where's an orange color-coded system when you need one?
Why does it have to be orange?
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There many plausible conspiracy theories. JFK is one.
How do you feel about the Illuminati and Reptilian overlords?
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How do you feel about the Illuminati and Reptilian overlords?
What are their conspiracy theories?
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What are their conspiracy theories?
he's talking about david ike...
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he's talking about david ike...
Kris Kristofferson is a reptile? HEHEHEHEHEHE
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Kris Kristofferson is a reptile? HEHEHEHEHEHE
yea, lots of people are. they're everywhere!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm more interested in social engineering, media disinfo, consumerism, privacy, corruption. off the top of my head.
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I'm more interested in social engineering, media disinfo, consumerism, privacy, corruption. off the top of my head.
more than reptilians? :o
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more than reptilians? :o
never 8)
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stuff like this
The Power Of Nightmares
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-95803440573545735
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6267641837432449268
yea that's an awesome documentary. One of my favorites. And a huge conspiracy theory. It basically says the whole war on terror is bogus, manufactured and our governments use these mythical demons to control us with fear.
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yea that's an awesome documentary. One of my favorites. And a huge conspiracy theory. It basically says the whole war on terror is bogus, manufactured and our governments use these mythical demons to control us with fear.
thats the kind of stuff I like .. if you want to call me a ct'er go ahead.
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The Century Of The Self
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6111922724894802811 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6111922724894802811)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1122532358497501036 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1122532358497501036)
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thats the kind of stuff I like .. if you want to call me a ct'er go ahead.
No fear MB, post on the stuff that interests you and you think others should know about. screw em if they don't like it.
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good read ...
Is The 'Truth Movement' A Trap?
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175 (http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175)
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for the record i was kidding about the reptilian shit. I don't believe that. David Icke seems like a really good fella and all. I've listened to him several times for the hell of it and I think there is a lot of truth to a lot of what he says, but where he gets the reptilian stuff is beyond me. I'm not sure if he really believes it or it's a gimmick. There's a lot i'm not sure about with that guy. I am actually shocked at how many people really believe there are reptilians on earth.
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for the record i was kidding about the reptilian shit. I don't believe that. David Icke seems like a really good fella and all. I've listened to him several times for the hell of it and I think there is a lot of truth to a lot of what he says, but where he gets the reptilian stuff is beyond me. I'm not sure if he really believes it or it's a gimmick. There's a lot i'm not sure about with that guy. I am actually shocked at how many people really believe there are reptilians on earth.
You want to laugh Hugo - I picked up a David Icke book for like a $1 not knowing who he was and it was all about the reptilians and shit like that. It was like one rambling CT and shift shaping and some wierd shit like that.