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Title: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Royalty on November 11, 2009, 07:33:53 AM
I hear their advertisements on ESPN sports radio. I really dont know much about their company or products. Does Vizio compare well with Toshiba, Sony, Samsung ect....?
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Butterbean on November 11, 2009, 07:43:50 AM
I hear their advertisements on ESPN sports radio. I really dont know much about their company or products. Does Vizio compare well with Toshiba, Sony, Samsung ect....?

Our last TV we purchased is a Vizio.  So far..so good.

I'm not a fan of Samsung products as we had 2 DVD players that died early deaths (like months) and one Samsung TV we had stopped working correctly after one day!  We took it back and the replacement is doing fine but we have another Samsung TV that I really don't care for either.  

We had a Sony Wega awhile back(?) and it didn't seem to last very long (just a few years).

Vizio seems pretty decent.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: jpm101 on November 11, 2009, 07:59:17 AM
Have a Vizio and LG. The LG gets a clearer picture and sound. Both on the same cable network (Verizon FIO's). If any TV does not seem to be running at it's best, than you may want to have it calibrated. Just another way of tweaking it for best potential. Can read up and do it yourself or have a service guy do it for you. Not that expensive if you want higher quality.

Just to add, there is a difference between Dish and Cable. A lot may depends on the area where you live and (again) calibration.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: body88 on November 11, 2009, 08:04:01 AM
I have a 1080p Sony Bravia xp and I love it.  No idea about Vizio, but the Sony's are really nice!
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: JasonH on November 11, 2009, 08:18:59 AM
My new Samsung LED TV arrives tomorow - I'm off work specially for it!  8)
 
40inch UE7020 model to be exact.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: erokyrwrld on November 11, 2009, 08:57:54 AM
Because the industry is so competitive right now, you really do get what you pay for.  Vizio's are one of the cheapest lines of hdtvs, so what does that tell you?
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on November 11, 2009, 10:25:02 AM
its a mid range tv.  Good prices and average picture quality.  I looked at them but Toshiba and Sony had a better picture quality and sharper colors.  Not a bad tv but def not the best.  My sister and brother in law bought one a few years ago and they have had no problems with it.  Its all personal preference in what your looking for and what your willing to spend.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: funk51 on November 11, 2009, 12:50:51 PM
panasonic 50 inch plasma for 900 exellent price and picture
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: MRDUMPLING on November 11, 2009, 01:18:05 PM
I have a 42" Vizio.  RJ said it best, if you are on a budget then Vizio is the best mid range out there.(Even better that Sanyo and Samsung if you ask me), but there is better out there.  My next one will probably be a Sony or a Phillips. 

Vizio is a sister company to Sony so they are of great value for the money.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: myt1 on November 11, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
I bought a 52" mitsubishi lcd rear projection tv 4 years ago, and thank goodness i got the four year warranty from best buy.  I'm on my third bulb already and had to have the ballast(sp?) replaced too.  Luckily it was all covered.  Pic is pretty good, but on lcd's when there is a lot of outside light you can't see shit.

I wanted a tv for the bedroom, and ended up getting a vizio plasma about 18 months ago.  It's either 32 or 36" can't remember.  It's only a 720p and I actually like it better than my big screen picture wise.  Colors are bright and pic is very clear.  Very little pixilation compared to the lcd, and light does not wash out the picture at all.   Only paid $500 for it as well 8)
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: HICKSON on November 11, 2009, 01:34:24 PM
My new Samsung LED TV arrives tomorow - I'm off work specially for it!  8)
 
40inch UE7020 model to be exact.



I have the 55" UN55B8500XFXZA


The Samsung LED ARE the GetBig of all T.V's
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on November 11, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
I hear their advertisements on ESPN sports radio. I really dont know much about their company or products. Does Vizio compare well with Toshiba, Sony, Samsung ect....?

http://www.cnet.com/1770-5_1-0.html?query=vizio&tag=srch

start here  ;)
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: KevinP85 on November 11, 2009, 03:08:25 PM
Panasonic is good, but if you want the best Pioneers are the way to go, but unfortunately, I think they stopped making tvs.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: G o a t b o y on November 11, 2009, 05:29:30 PM


I have the 55" UN55B8500XFXZA


The Samsung LED ARE the GetBig of all T.V's


Me too.  Great TV.  The LED backlighting makes all the difference.  Vizios are low-end wal-mart specials.  They'll do the job if you don't currently have a big flat-screen, but if you're looking for high-end of even middle-of-the-road, they're not all that.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: The_Hammer on November 11, 2009, 05:31:24 PM
I'm one of the first people in the country to own a 60" OLED TV. Shits on anything you own. ;D
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: brad_74 on November 11, 2009, 07:17:34 PM
My Job is selling tvs for a living:

1)Sony is the best, but you must get the right one. The V series and below are junk. The W and Z series are great. All XBR's are the best LCD's  on the market

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644628896&N=4294955667

2)Samsung would be second to Sony. DO NOT buy one of the LED Samsungs as they are only side lit LED's. Therefore the LED's must be too bright to light the whole TV. The effect is everything looks Fluorescent. Instead spend less $$ and buy a series 700 LCD

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=tv&type=tv&subtype=lcd&model_cd=LN52B750U1FXZA

3)LG would be third. Best looking LED's on the market(thinnest) and they are not side lit, they are fully back lit therefore not as bright and unrealistic(Samsungs LED). The reason they are cheaper than others is that they manufacture EVERYTHING that goes into the TV. From the paint to the panels to the processing chip. All the other companies buy supplies from the other manufactures(Sony buys all the panels from Samsung). When they manufacture everything they eliminate the middle man, therefore having lower productions costs. But because they manufacture everything they don't have top of the line everything.

http://www.lge.com/us/sl80/index.jsp

4) Sharp would be forth. They have fallen a lot. Very average TVs

5) Toshiba- Best for gaming. Average for everything else

6) Vizio, just plain suck

With every LCD manufacturer they come standard with a 60 hertz speed. The higher end models have 120 HZ. The highest end models come with 240 HZ. DONT buy a 60 HZ TV as they all look like shit. If you can afford it get a 240 HZ(best for high motion Example: sports action movies). If the TV you are looking at doesnt tell you the HZ, that means it is a 60 HZ. Again make sure you get at least 120 HZ.

Pioneer had the best PLASMA TV on the market with the KURO technology, but unfortunately couldn't afford to keep making TV's(fucking recession). They sold all of their KURO technology to Panasonic. A Panasonic Z series TV is basically a Pioneer.

Hope that help

Last get 1080P instead of 720P, the cost differential is worth the extra pixels.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: kiwiol on November 11, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
My Job is selling tvs for a living:
1)Sony is the best, but you must get the right one. The V series and below are junk. The W and Z series are great. All XBR's are the best LCD's  on the market
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644628896&N=4294955667

2)Samsung would be second to Sony. DO NOT buy one of the LED Samsungs as they are only side lit LED's. Therefore the LED's must be too bright to light the whole TV. The effect is everything looks Fluorescent. Instead spend less $$ and buy a series 700 LCD
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=tv&type=tv&subtype=lcd&model_cd=LN52B750U1FXZA

3)LG would be third. Best looking LED's on the market(thinnest) and they are not side lit, they are fully back lit therefore not as bright and unrealistic(Samsungs LED). The reason they are cheaper than others is that they manufacture EVERYTHING that goes into the TV. From the paint to the panels to the processing chip. All the other companies buy supplies from the other manufactures(Sony buys all the panels from Samsung). When they manufacture everything they eliminate the middle man, therefore having lower productions costs. But because they manufacture everything they don't have top of the line everything.
http://www.lge.com/us/sl80/index.jsp

4)Sharp would be forth. They have fallen a lot. Very average TVs

5) Toshiba- Best for gaming. Average for everything else

6) Vizio, just plain suck

With every LCD manufacturer they come standard with a 60 hertz speed. The higher end models have 120 HZ. The highest end models come with 240 HZ. DONT buy a 60 HZ TV as they all look like shit. If you can afford it get a 240 HZ(best for high motion Example: sports action movies).
If the TV you are looking at doesnt tell you the HZ, that means it is a 60 HZ. Again make sure you get at least 120 HZ.

Pioneer had the best PLASMA TV on the market with the KURO technology, but unfortunately couldn't afford to keep making TV's(fucking recession). They sold all of their KURO technology to Panasonic. A Panasonic Z series TV is basically a Pioneer.

Hope that help

Last get 1080P instead of 720P, the cost differential is worth the extra pixels.

Good stuff, man. Can you explain why Toshiba is good for gaming and average for everything else? Thanks.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: flexingtonsteele on November 11, 2009, 07:35:14 PM
i got a 42 inch samsung and i love it...........

dont know much about vizio, but ill tell u this whenever i go to costco there is almost always a vizio box in the return pile.....
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: tom joad on November 11, 2009, 07:50:08 PM
My Job is selling tvs for a living: . . .

Hope that help

Thanks for the lowdown on TVs.  I'm also gonna be buying one soon and, yes, your insight helps.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: grab an umbrella on November 11, 2009, 08:00:16 PM
Why would you want a tv that has a refresh rate of 240hz when 95% of what you watch is 24fps???  You a big fan of frame interpolation?  Fuck LCD, plasma is still better.  KURO PLASMA.


Also for everyone else here you do not own and LED tv, you own an LED BACKLIGHT lcd tv.  
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: brad_74 on November 11, 2009, 11:10:03 PM

I actually saw a Demo done by a Toshiba rep. It showed a Toshiba beside, a sony. When gaming the Sony TV actually doesn't have a proper aspect ratio and cuts off about 2%of the screen. Toshiba does not do this. They showed a demo playing Halo and you could not see where the person was sniping from on a Sony TV. On the Toshiba you could see exactly where the sniper was shooting from(due to the extra 2%). Also when gaming Toshiba realized colors are a lot different than real life colors, therefore making vids look great on your Toshiba hdtv
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: brad_74 on November 11, 2009, 11:28:53 PM
Most cable comes in 24 fps,

Plasma(I agree Kuro is the best TV on the market) has each frame flash much much faster than 24fps. Each frame fades to black very quickly(fools the eye), providing for the smoothest picture. Plasma TVS although different technology equate to 600 HZ

Unfortunately LCD flicks from frame to frame. When watching a 60 HZ TV your eyes will see quite a bit of blur or "Jitter"(think when you are watching a streaming video on the internet). 120 HZ ads an extra frame in between each frame providing for a smoother picture. 240 HZ(although can be hard to see a difference between 120 and 240) adds 3 frames in between each frame providing for the smoothest picture.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer plasma(deeper blacks, reds) fastest TV on the market, but they wanted to talk LCD's.

And yes you are 100% correct about owning a LED back lit LCD TV. LED has LCD technology, but just lit differently(think strands of x-mas lights instead of 3 fluorescent tubes)

I have no need to lie here? Just trying to help.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: JasonH on November 12, 2009, 12:32:52 AM

For everyone else here you do not own an LED tv, you own an LED BACKLIGHT lcd tv. 

I'm quite aware of that.

But it still beats normal LCD and plasma hands down and is worth paying extra for.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: oldman on November 12, 2009, 04:37:12 AM
nutrition, bodybuilding, and now consumer electronics experts...what next ::)
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: myt1 on November 12, 2009, 05:56:08 AM

Most cable comes in 24 fps,
Plasma(I agree Kuro is the best TV on the market) has each frame flash much much faster than 24fps. Each frame fades to black very quickly(fools the eye), providing for the smoothest picture. Plasma TVS although different technology equate to 600 HZ

Unfortunately LCD flicks from frame to frame. When watching a 60 HZ TV your eyes will see quite a bit of blur or "Jitter"(think when you are watching a streaming video on the internet). 120 HZ ads an extra frame in between each frame providing for a smoother picture. 240 HZ(although can be hard to see a difference between 120 and 240) adds 3 frames in between each frame providing for the smoothest picture.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer plasma(deeper blacks, reds) fastest TV on the market, but they wanted to talk LCD's.

And yes you are 100% correct about owning a LED back lit LCD TV. LED has LCD technology, but just lit differently(think strands of x-mas lights instead of 3 fluorescent tubes)

I have no need to lie here? Just trying to help.

If you can understand and remember all this shit you should go to med school.  Seriously, where the fuck does anyone even go to learn all this crap, and why bother?
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: HICKSON on November 12, 2009, 08:52:53 AM
If you can understand and remember all this shit you should go to med school.  Seriously, where the fuck does anyone even go to learn all this crap, and why bother?

Dude I was the smartest man alive.......




Then I logged onto GetBig.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: myt1 on November 12, 2009, 12:13:49 PM
Dude I was the smartest man alive.......



Then I logged onto GetBig.


LMFAO!  Well played ;D
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2009, 01:38:59 PM

On a serious note - which television would be best - for simple viewing and for Wii gaming...  from Costco... want to get one very soon for the kids...

1) Toshiba 46" 1080P Full HD LCD HDTV w/ ClearFrame 120Hz - Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Gaming Mode, DynaLight™ & Energy Star Rated

2) Vizio XVT Series 47" 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV Resolution: 1920 x 1080

3) Sony Bravia 40" 1080p Motionflow™ 120Hz LCD HDTV - Resolution: 1920 x 1080



Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 14, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
On a serious note - which television would be best - for simple viewing and for Wii gaming...  from Costco... want to get one very soon for the kids...

1) Toshiba 46" 1080P Full HD LCD HDTV w/ ClearFrame 120Hz - Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Gaming Mode, DynaLight™ & Energy Star Rated

2) Vizio XVT Series 47" 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV Resolution: 1920 x 1080

3) Sony Bravia 40" 1080p Motionflow™ 120Hz LCD HDTV - Resolution: 1920 x 1080





1080 is nice only if using a PS3 or blu ray.  Most people watching TV at home can get along fine with a cheapo 720p.  720 and 1080i have their pluses and minuses.

Here's a hint.  Only two or three factories worldwide actually make the LCD screens and most of the parts.  So all of these vendors buy their shit from the same place. 
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2009, 02:25:42 PM

But want to seriously know which one is the best for the value.  I need the 1080p because out here, we actually have HD programming for about 15 channels via Time Warner at 1080.

Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: mass 04 on December 14, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
I would go with the Sony. Sony makes the best panel by far and is going to give you the brightest picture and realistic flesh tones. Sony gives you a lot more in terms of connectivity and has a built in surround system and gives you the best sound of the 3 as well as a PC input and usb drive. Toshiba is the worst of the 3 IMO
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: polychronopolous on December 14, 2009, 03:01:55 PM
On a serious note - which television would be best - for simple viewing and for Wii gaming...  from Costco... want to get one very soon for the kids...

1) Toshiba 46" 1080P Full HD LCD HDTV w/ ClearFrame 120Hz - Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Gaming Mode, DynaLight™ & Energy Star Rated

2) Vizio XVT Series 47" 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV Resolution: 1920 x 1080

3) Sony Bravia 40" 1080p Motionflow™ 120Hz LCD HDTV - Resolution: 1920 x 1080





Damn kids have it so much better these days. My first television was a little 13 inch black and white with the turn knobs for channels and volume....
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: uberman09 on December 14, 2009, 03:06:18 PM
Damn kids have it so much better these days. My first television was a little 13 inch black and white with the turn knobs for channels and volume....
yeah but they re stupider and cant do shit with their own hands.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: polychronopolous on December 14, 2009, 03:12:41 PM
yeah but they re stupider and cant do shit with their own hands.

Yep.

My little cousin has been using GPS navigator since he first started driving 2 years ago at the age of 16...he moved in his current neighborhood about 2 years ago also.

He doesn't even know how to get home from a few blocks away from his usual route without his GPS, on top of that he can barely even read a standard Mapsco map.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Croatch on December 14, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
BRAD 74:

I "rented", bought/returned a 40" Samsung LED, 600 series, I believe. After going back to my plasma, it was obvious how much smoother the picture was. The downside with plasma...BURN IN. They tell you all kinds of great things, pixel shifting technology, screen wipe, etc.

In short, if you leave your plasma tv on a pause menu for 30 minutes or so, consider your tv shot. I love the plasma picture and nothing beats it, but it's a terrible way to watch tv.  I never leave the room with it the tv on pause.  You'll play a video game for a bit, the next day, you'll see the health bars, clear as day, over time, they usually go away (image retention).

I'm sure most people burn in their plasmas, but are unaware of what they're seeing.  Probably just figure the picture is somewhat muddy.

So, Brad 74, what is your take on burn in and how prevalent is it in plasmas today? My buddy just got one and said his wife has the screen on pause all the time...I said, "I give it a month before it's fried."
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: mass 04 on December 14, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
Plasmas are superior IMO.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 14, 2009, 03:54:22 PM
But want to seriously know which one is the best for the value.  I need the 1080p because out here, we actually have HD programming for about 15 channels via Time Warner at 1080.



1080i, which is interlaced and some would argue that 720p is just as nice.  1080p is not broadcasted in television and only can be seen via blu ray players.

1090p was an accidental discovery but isn't really a true standard.

1080i means that it shows you 540 lines interlaced at a time where 720p shows you 720 total lines at once without possible flicker that people see.

ABC, TNT and such broadcast at 1080i.

Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 14, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
BRAD 74:
I "rented", bought/returned a 40" Samsung LED, 600 series, I believe.
After going back to my plasma, it was obvious how much smoother the picture was.
The downside with plasma...BURN IN.
They tell you all kinds of great things, pixel shifting technology, screen wipe, etc.

In short, if you leave your plasma tv on a pause menu for 30 minutes or so, consider your tv shot.
I love the plasma picture and nothing beats it, but it's a terrible way to watch tv.  I never leave the room with it the tv on pause.  You'll play a video game for a bit, the next day, you'll see the health bars, clear as day, over time, they usually go away (image retention).
I'm sure most people burn in their plasmas, but are unaware of what they're seeing.  Probably just figure the picture is somewhat muddy.

So, Brad 74, what is your take on burn in and how prevalent is it in plasmas today?
My buddy just got one and said his wife has the screen on pause all the time...I said, "I give it a month before it's fried."


Plasma is a horrible set for game play.  You can download DVDs that must be run for 24 hours or more that cycle through solid screen colors that help "wear in" the screen to help reduce the chance of burn in.

Lots of people complained at why stations like to have the static symbol at the bottom or score bars at the top.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Ron on December 14, 2009, 04:52:24 PM

Forget about Plasma televisions in California - California just passed a law on bigger television sets that must be energy compliant, thus LCD's are the way to go, especially since plasma does have that burn on various older sets.

Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: oldman on December 14, 2009, 05:42:59 PM
I have a 42" Vizio.  RJ said it best, if you are on a budget then Vizio is the best mid range out there.(Even better that Sanyo and Samsung if you ask me), but there is better out there.  My next one will probably be a Sony or a Phillips. 

Vizio is a sister company to Sony so they are of great value for the money.

Vizio, a sister company to Sony, prove it.  Sony dont play games like that.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on December 14, 2009, 05:53:30 PM
I got a 74" Samsung LCD, amazing tv... got it at Costco, it's literally half the wall.. and in the bedroom a 56" toshiba LCD, both 1080p/1080i, Samsung has 3 HDMI in's, Toshiba has 2...

I recommend the Samsung, everyone seems to have them (everywhere I go) the one with the big blue power button in the midle.. I see them in doctor's offices, waiting rooms, hospitals, etc.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on December 14, 2009, 06:04:01 PM
 I'm playing MW2 on my PS3 connected to a 52" Sony bravia XBR 1080p.
 Sony rules.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: ARMZ on December 14, 2009, 06:10:26 PM
I bought a polaroid 'cause it had the word roid in it.. Do NOT buy this TV.. I filled a gym with these and every single one broke in less than 1 year..  No joke..
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Ex Coelis on December 14, 2009, 07:08:54 PM
I got a 74" Samsung LCD, amazing tv...


how much did that set you back?
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Croatch on December 14, 2009, 07:52:06 PM
Plasma is a horrible set for game play.  You can download DVDs that must be run for 24 hours or more that cycle through solid screen colors that help "wear in" the screen to help reduce the chance of burn in.

Lots of people complained at why stations like to have the static symbol at the bottom or score bars at the top.
I probably have over 1000 hours viewed on my plasma now, so hopefully, video game burn in won't occur.
The first 200 hours, the phosphors burn the brightest, so that's where I saw a lot of screen retention.
Still, a silly way to watch a pristine picture.

Any LCD, LED, or plasma always look good alone.  Watch a LCD for a week, then watch a plasma...you'll notice the difference.  Much smoother, more life like picture, deeper blacks, better color.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Grape Ape on December 14, 2009, 07:59:06 PM
I'm playing MW2 on my PS3 connected to a 52" Sony bravia XBR 1080p.
 Sony rules.

Too bad it's on the PS network.  MW2 has more players playing online at any given time on XBox Live! than there were copies sold on the PS3.

But, I may be playing some PS3 soon.  After waiting over a year for a decent price drop on the Samsung LN52A650, the TV has become rare, and a tech favorite, so the price never really dropped.

Took advantage of the Boom deal and got a 52" Sony Bravia Z5100 , and they threw in a PS3 slim (no backwards compatibility  :'(), Little Big Planet, and a shitty blu-ray movie..  Was planning on using the PS3 just for a blu-ray player, but the media streaming capabilities on that thing seem awesome.  Still hate the controller though.  And seriously, how the fuck can Sony sell their next-gen HD system and give you fucking standard video cables instead of an HDMI cable?   WTF?

I'm still figuring out the best settings, but the picture looks very good.

I just need to get some HDMI cables from my cable company to compare them to the $100 monster cable that BB insisted I needed.  From everything I've read, you don't need it -it's a digital signal that gets there or doesn't.   If the cable shows a difference, I'll still return it and buy one from monoprice.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Flex 215 on December 14, 2009, 09:08:46 PM

I just need to get some HDMI cables from my cable company to compare them to the $100 monster cable that BB insisted I needed.  From everything I've read, you don't need it -it's a digital signal that gets there or doesn't.   If the cable shows a difference, I'll still return it and buy one from monoprice.

            I have read that unless the cable is 20ft or more, a $6 HDMI cable is as good as $100+ Monster HDMI. 
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: body88 on December 14, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
Ron, get the Sony...I have the 1080p Bravia and I love it.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on December 14, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
how much did that set you back?

$2800 CAD, so around 2300-2400 USD I guess... worth every damn penny... my friends make that tv a point of conversation when introducing me...they say 'you won't believe how big this guy's tv is...'

lol

I have a ps3 and modded xbox 360 hooked up to it...harman kardon surround....magnificent.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Kwon on December 15, 2009, 12:16:16 AM
Plasma may be superior, but LCD all the way.

Hate that frickin' BURN IN crap!
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on December 15, 2009, 01:28:48 AM
Plasma may be superior, but LCD all the way.

Hate that frickin' BURN IN crap!

That's why I didn't bother with the plasma, as soon as you get burn in/dead pixels... it's ruined
it's one thing if it happens on the outer perimeter of the display, but if it happens somewhere around the centre. You're fucked.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/12/12-23-07-stuck-pixel.jpg)
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: oldman on December 15, 2009, 03:44:09 AM
            I have read that unless the cable is 20ft or more, a $6 HDMI cable is as good as $100+ Monster HDMI. 

please look at the throughput, all cables are no equal.  bad info.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Kwon on December 15, 2009, 04:28:05 AM
That's why I didn't bother with the plasma, as soon as you get burn in/dead pixels... it's ruined
it's one thing if it happens on the outer perimeter of the display, but if it happens somewhere around the centre. You're fucked.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/12/12-23-07-stuck-pixel.jpg)

True that Cap!

I never even bother checking for new Plasmas, always LCD!
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 15, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
please look at the throughput, all cables are no equal.  bad info.

A digital signal requires very little throughput.  At monoprice you can get the best cables for 90% cheaper than anywhere else.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Grape Ape on December 15, 2009, 09:32:14 AM
A digital signal requires very little throughput.  At monoprice you can get the best cables for 90% cheaper than anywhere else.

That's exactly what I'm thinking.  Do you have any you suggest?

I was surprised by how different the picture was from component to HDMI.  Huge on my TV.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 15, 2009, 01:21:50 PM
That's exactly what I'm thinking.  Do you have any you suggest?

I was surprised by how different the picture was from component to HDMI.  Huge on my TV.

At monoprice you can get hdmi's that are certified high speed and gold plated for less than $10.  I use them on all my sets and they rock.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Grape Ape on December 15, 2009, 01:34:38 PM
At monoprice you can get hdmi's that are certified high speed and gold plated for less than $10.  I use them on all my sets and they rock.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240

Thanks, dude.  I actually ordered two this morning, one for the TV and one for the PS3.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on December 15, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
please look at the throughput, all cables are no equal.  bad info.

In a home situation you won't see the difference, unless you're working in television or media and are broadcasting, you don't need high end super duper oxygen free cables,  monster cable is the biggest ripoff on the planet
there's NO difference in quality for home users, even in professional use the reason people get higher end cables is because they last longer and are more durable (when you have to constantly move shit around on studio/set)
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 15, 2009, 04:07:18 PM
Thanks, dude.  I actually ordered two this morning, one for the TV and one for the PS3.

I ordered two tv mounts for $20 each.  These things were $50 at walmart and $80 at best buy.  It is the best site I've seen for electronic accessories.  Plus their Tech chat feature is awesome if you ever have questions for them.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Grape Ape on December 15, 2009, 06:26:09 PM
I ordered two tv mounts for $20 each.  These things were $50 at walmart and $80 at best buy.  It is the best site I've seen for electronic accessories.  Plus their Tech chat feature is awesome if you ever have questions for them.

Yes, although I've heard about them a lot, I never had a need to go there.  It was great.  I have a ton of CAT-5 cables running through my house, and they end in a mess in my basement.  I'm thinking monoprice might have some nice solutions for that.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: G o a t b o y on December 15, 2009, 06:37:50 PM
This argument still going on?

Okay, seriously, last time....



Vizio = Cheap ass, bottom-of-the-line Wal Mart special


Buy a Sony or Samsung.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: jtsunami on December 15, 2009, 06:48:43 PM
I hear their advertisements on ESPN sports radio. I really dont know much about their company or products. Does Vizio compare well with Toshiba, Sony, Samsung ect....?

go pray about it and maybe god will give you your answer, after all he talks to you right????
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: G o a t b o y on December 15, 2009, 06:56:27 PM
go pray about it and maybe god will give you your answer, after all he talks to you right????


God told me he's sending Royalty to Hell for excessive masturbation.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: tendonitis on December 15, 2009, 07:10:25 PM

God told me he's sending Royalty to Hell for excessive masturbation.

you can go to hell for that?



uh oh
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Grape Ape on December 15, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
This argument still going on?

Okay, seriously, last time....



Vizio = Cheap ass, bottom-of-the-line Wal Mart special


Buy a Sony or Samsung.

Yeah, but wasn't Ron talking about the Wii being a primary use of it?   Wii is what, 480 I or P?  You don't need anything good, except the lack of a lame refresh rate.  Vizio is fine for that.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: NeoSeminole on December 15, 2009, 11:20:12 PM
I have a 1080p Sony Bravia xp and I love it.  No idea about Vizio, but the Sony's are really nice!

xp?? You mean XBR? I have a Sony 46" Bravia Z 240 Hz, and the picture quality is unreal.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: NeoSeminole on December 15, 2009, 11:24:10 PM
please look at the throughput, all cables are no equal.  bad info.

Category 2 certified (highest rating possible) HDMI cables for $10. Don't always believe the hype of more expensive brands.

http://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-Ultra-Version-Category-Certified/dp/B0019EHU8G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1260948132&sr=8-2
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Ron on December 17, 2009, 04:03:33 PM


Thanks - ordered these cables
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: mossel on December 17, 2009, 11:56:38 PM
(http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/images/Philips-Cinema-21x9-lifesty.jpg)

(http://www.techau.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/image27.png)
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: travisma on December 18, 2009, 02:02:50 AM
If your job is selling televisions for a living it seems you dont know much about them at all....


My Job is selling tvs for a living:

1)Sony is the best, but you must get the right one. The V series and below are junk. The W and Z series are great. All XBR's are the best LCD's  on the market - Interesting to say sony considering that they dont produce their own panels at all. In fact they purchase from about three different OEM manufacturers in China such as TPV, Hisense and some Haier. They do produce their own motion technology but also keep in mind that depending on their screen size they also buy panels from Sharp and Samsung.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644628896&N=4294955667

2)Samsung would be second to Sony. DO NOT buy one of the LED Samsungs as they are only side lit LED's. Therefore the LED's must be too bright to light the whole TV. The effect is everything looks Fluorescent. Instead spend less $$ and buy a series 700 LCD  Once again you should explain the whole picture if this is your job. Really what matters with LED technology is whether or not it is a scanning backlight via LED, not really whether it is side lit. This makes the difference in LED. Also if you want to get complicated it also depends on the colour rendering of the LED chip itself.

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=tv&type=tv&subtype=lcd&model_cd=LN52B750U1FXZA

3)LG would be third. Best looking LED's on the market(thinnest) and they are not side lit, they are fully back lit therefore not as bright and unrealistic(Samsungs LED). The reason they are cheaper than others is that they manufacture EVERYTHING that goes into the TV. From the paint to the panels to the processing chip. All the other companies buy supplies from the other manufactures(Sony buys all the panels from Samsung). When they manufacture everything they eliminate the middle man, therefore having lower productions costs. But because they manufacture everything they don't have top of the line everything.They manufacturer everything themselves? Really so when Philips owned a 50% share in their LCD factories and provided the motion technology for their panels they still made it all themselves?? Really?? They are the worst made panels in the market, hence the reason why they could not gain marketshare in the states when they were called Goldstar but had to rename the brand to LG. Crap and always will be crap.

http://www.lge.com/us/sl80/index.jsp

4) Sharp would be forth. They have fallen a lot. Very average TVsAgain wrong. Sharp actually produce more better quality grade "A" Panels than any other player in the market, While they are not the prettiest design they have the best colour rendering and possible picture, motion is a bit off but they are better than LG and Samsung.

5) Toshiba- Best for gaming. Average for everything else They dont even make their own panels or products, complete OEM products from China.

6) Vizio, just plain suck

With every LCD manufacturer they come standard with a 60 hertz speed. The higher end models have 120 HZ. The highest end models come with 240 HZ. DONT buy a 60 HZ TV as they all look like shit. If you can afford it get a 240 HZ(best for high motion Example: sports action movies). If the TV you are looking at doesnt tell you the HZ, that means it is a 60 HZ. Again make sure you get at least 120 HZ.
Ok what is the real difference between the hertz speed here?? Do you actually know?? Probably not by the sound of it. Maybe you should ask one of the manufacturers reps whether or not the actually panel is 120hz or even 240hz?? Or is it really just the processor??


Pioneer had the best PLASMA TV on the market with the KURO technology, but unfortunately couldn't afford to keep making TV's(fucking recession). They sold all of their KURO technology to Panasonic. A Panasonic Z series TV is basically a Pioneer.
Pioneer by far is the best picture, the reason why they exited the market is quite simple, they invested too much money into Plasma factories and it became a recession, also didnt help that the koreans also are subsidised by the governments to keep going and drive the price down
Hope that help

Last get 1080P instead of 720P, the cost differential is worth the extra pixels.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: jesusbod on December 18, 2009, 06:39:16 AM
Because the industry is so competitive right now, you really do get what you pay for.  Vizio's are one of the cheapest lines of hdtvs, so what does that tell you?


That is not always a correct statement..

I have two Vizio TV's and they both ROCK! They are affordable, not cheap.... I Sony LCD HD flatscreen, paid a shitload of money for it and it sucked ass...

I have a 47 inch 1080P Vizio in my bedroom and a 55 inch 1080pm 120hz Vizio in my Living room. They both are best TV's I've had so far..
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: NeoSeminole on December 18, 2009, 08:35:15 AM
my $.02 for those who are interested in buying HD TVs

for the economical consumer, Vizio's deliver the most bang for your buck. You might be able to find better deals on other brands if you wait around for the holiday's. For example, I got my Sony 46" Bravia Z 240 Hz for $1,165 (normally cost over $1,600) during Black Friday.

the top of the line Sharp LCD probably had the best picture quality out of all the LCD TVs I looked at, but are very expensive and seemed to come with some problems after doing research online.

LED is like watching real life. It's almost too good (if there's such a thing). Made the robots look fake when I was watching Transformers, which is suppose to have some of the best CGI to date. It's kinda hard to explain but if you saw it in person, you would know what I mean.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: tendonitis on December 18, 2009, 08:38:40 AM
If your job is selling televisions for a living it seems you dont know much about them at all....



Which televisions do you recommend? 
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: MRDUMPLING on December 18, 2009, 11:55:50 AM
This argument still going on?

Okay, seriously, last time....



Vizio = Cheap ass, bottom-of-the-line Wal Mart special


Buy a Sony or Samsung.

That is pure opinion.

Just like my opinion is that Vizio is the best bang for your buck on the market. 

Are they as high end as Sony, LG, or Sharp?  No, but for the casual gamer or home TV person these TVs are great. 

I think the brands people should stay away from are the really cheap brands like Emerson, Sanyo, etc.

I love my 42" Vizio, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.  I'm actually looking for either a 47" or 50" TV, if I find a great deal on a Sony or LG then I will get those, but I have my eye on a 47" Vizio at the moment.
Title: Re: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: travisma on December 18, 2009, 06:23:48 PM
Which televisions do you recommend? 
Good Question, Considering that in May most brands will be releasing their new 400hz LED displays with Scanning backlight I personally would buy either Philips (Even though they use a OEM, TPV but design their own processor) or maybe the new Sony coming.
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: Lundgren on September 25, 2010, 06:41:51 PM

God told me he's sending Royalty to Hell for excessive masturbation.
You too. :-[
Title: Re: Televisions: When it comes to HD LCD Tv, how is Vizio?
Post by: BIG ACH on September 25, 2010, 06:54:40 PM
I just purchased an LCD TV this month (I got a 46" Samsung, model LN46B650 - 1080p, 120 Hz Auto Motion Plus, with internet capabilities - youtube, twitter facebook etc.)


I spent a lot of time doing research on TV's and I came to the conclusion that the TOP 2 brands are Samsung and Sony... and they are priced EXACTLY the same to the cent!  Samsung has a tad bit of a nicer pic...

Then there is everyone else, everyone else with different qualities and different prices...  I would put Vizio in the upper middle of the everyone else group.. Prices are good and picture is good in my opinion, espeically the newer Vizio models... plus their LED (if you wanna go that route) is well priced!  Vizio has come a long way from when they first came out!!

Also if you are looking at the budget LCD's, dont discount Best Buy's Insignia line - they're not bad!