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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on December 03, 2009, 03:31:49 PM
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This might go a little long but stay with me...
I was thinking about why we don't see the quality physiques in the NPC as we did 15 years ago. In addition, why do you have some guys that look the same their whole career and some guys that blow up.
Since I started working out, I've always been told was important to build a base before hitting the sauce. Reason being, you want to take your body as close as you can to it's natural genetic limit, then you will be to become even larger on the the sauce. I guess I can agree with that in that if you took two cloned humans and have one weight train for 5 years and the other natural for those five years then you use juice for two years after, who is going to be bigger and better? The clone that trained naturally or the clone that didn't train at all? The answer is obvious...
Next up is GH, IGF and insulin. Many bodybuilders from the 70s and even in the 80s didn't use any of these and were able to obtain incredible physiques. Yet you have people who have cycles 2 or 3 times that are talking the peptides, slin mega doses of test and everything else you can think. They might end up building a decent physique but they could have built a much better one had they stayed with a reasonable amount of juice and increased the food for a couple more years (I understand this is the "I want it right now American Culture")These are the guys that were able to make it to the pros but won't do anything because they really are tapped out in terms of size or their bodies are just tired because of the mega doses of everything. It goes to beg the question, how important is GH, IGF and Slin? Answer = very important. BUT if you can't win a local show without it, you probably won't fare too well in the pros. The guys that go on to be successful pros are guys that aren't just young but fresh (no homo). Fresh meaning they haven't used everything but the kitchen sink...This means they still have much room to grow and improve in the pro ranks to compete with the greats. example as of recently: Phil Heath and Kai Greene. It is alleged that Kai was natural when he turned pro winning the team universe and that phil used a very low amount around 750mg of test and some other stuff (ALLEGEDLY). Obviously everyone won't be able to respond the way Phil does or follow the path Kai took (assuming all this is true). But these guys that are hyper responders will always be at the top of the pack. When these guys start using in the amounts (and what they use ((GH, IGF and slin)) other guys are using you get the huge jumps in weight. Example (Ronnie and Kai).
Will bodybuilders ever take less drugs than a previous generation? Probably not until there is gene replacement therapy or something else that comes along. We are the more is better culture and unfortunatly bodybuilding is one of the best examples of this. Guys that look great naturally and look incredible using (by bodbuilders standards) "a little" will always be ahead of the pack. The guys megadosers will always be trying to catch up to make up for their bodybuilding genetic inferiority.
Obviously it's much more complicated then drugs and genetics.........LOL. No it's not ;D
Bottom line...Save your money on the GH, IGF and Slin unless you look like you can step on a national stage.
*unless you're using the GH for the many other usefull reasons.
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I still like your black ass though
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Weegas, what's your opinion on Falcon's stool quality?
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BB drug usage is disgusting and most have no place taking them.
The end.
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don't tell me what to do
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BB drug usage is disgusting and most have no place taking them.
The end.
ACCORDING TO WHO?
WHY IS IT DISGUSTING?
go fuck yourself
bodybuilding is a steroid culture
always was always will be
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ACCORDING TO WHO?
WHY IS IT DISGUSTING?
go fuck yourself
bodybuilding is a steroid culture
always was always will be
Meltdown
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ACCORDING TO WHO?
WHY IS IT DISGUSTING?
go fuck yourself
bodybuilding is a steroid culture
always was always will be
According to many outside the getbig community. Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum. It's laughed at by most. Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics. No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis. The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".
It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains. There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
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According to many outside the getbig community. Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum. It's laughed at by most. Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics. No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis. The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".
It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains. There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
meltdown
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According to many outside the getbig community. Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum. It's laughed at by most. Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics. No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis. The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".
It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains. There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
ur a pussy if you take PEDs??
correct me if I;m wrong
[/no homo]
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ur a pussy if you take PEDs??
correct me if I;m wrong
[/no homo]
Rumor has it, you're a pussy if you use the phrase "no homo".
Just sayin.
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Rumor has it, you're a pussy if you use the phrase "no homo".
Just sayin.
haha
I got it from swede so its totally not gay er not homo err no homo ;D
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Bottom line...Save your money on the GH, IGF and Slin unless you look like you can step on a national stage.
disagree.
GH has the ability to take your physique to levels that steroids alone will never accomplish.
you can look at the physiques pre GH/ insulin and say they were great physiques without those compounds, but sadly many of those same physiques wouldn't place top 3 in a national level show. i'd be surprised if arnold in his prime could place at the Nats today.
so, you should change the above statement to 'save your money on GH unless you want to step on the national stage or build a physique capable of being there.'
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According to many outside the getbig community. Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum. It's laughed at by most. Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics. No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis. The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".
It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains. There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
hahahahhahahhaahahahahhhaahhahahahahahahahhhahahahahha!
every bodybuilder worth giving a second look is a steroid user
fuck you
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According to many outside the getbig community. Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum. It's laughed at by most. Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics. No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis. The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".
It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains. There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
whats it like being so insecure?
what does it matter to you what others do, unless it makes you insecure.
i'd be willing to bet you can't keep a woman long as a girlfriend. most girls hate insecure boys like you.
the little man in the corner hating all the 'big guys' cause they get all the attention.
wlecome to reality, bitch.
ahahahahahahahaha
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I still like your black ass though
bwhahaha Thats gold. Funniest music video ever.
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It's great to see all the drug reliant lifters on here melt, every time I keep it real.
:D
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whats it like being so insecure?
what does it matter to you what others do, unless it makes you insecure.
i'd be willing to bet you can't keep a woman long as a girlfriend. most girls hate insecure boys like you.
the little man in the corner hating all the 'big guys' cause they get all the attention.
wlecome to reality, bitch.
ahahahahahahahaha
QFT..The problem with Crotch though is he juices also but doesnt look much better than a natural with semi decent genes so champions his natural status what ever chance he gets so as to make him look somthing he is not...Just like the guys that do the "natural" shows that are gassed to the gills but because they dont have great genetics they claim natural while being on more "support" than your average nat competitor..
Fact!!
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It's great to see all the drug reliant lifters on here melt, every time I keep it real.
:D
youre one insecure little whining bitch. :D ::)
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All drugs
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BB drug usage is disgusting and most have no place taking them.
The end.
Most users are wasting money/health with drugs.
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"Drugs are just the icing of the cake"
"you cant turn a chihuahua in to a pirbull by using roids"
"Everybody wants to be a bb,.but nobody wants to do it drug free"
"I dont knock on doors, I knock them over"
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disagree.
GH has the ability to take your physique to levels that steroids alone will never accomplish.
you can look at the physiques pre GH/ insulin and say they were great physiques without those compounds, but sadly many of those same physiques wouldn't place top 3 in a national level show. i'd be surprised if arnold in his prime could place at the Nats today.
so, you should change the above statement to 'save your money on GH unless you want to step on the national stage or build a physique capable of being there.'
Go back and read my thread...I never said it was useless. I said it shouldn't be taken until you have plenty of cycles under your belt and your body is ready to go to the next level...Not to many people on the board can say this.
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Go back and read my thread...I never said it was useless. I said it shouldn't be taken until you have plenty of cycles under your belt and your body is ready to go to the next level...Not to many people on the board can say this.
Wiggs,
The person with average (or worse genetics) does do not have a "next level" and no magic number of cycles under their belt is going to change that.
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Wiggs,
The person with average (or worse genetics) does do not have a "next level" and no magic number of cycles under their belt is going to change that.
Everyone has a next level. It's just some are not as impressive as others.
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Everyone has a next level. It's just some are not as impressive as others.
Sorry to disappoint but that just isn't true.
Can everyone tweak things to maximize their genetic potential? Sure. That's not the same as having a "next level" by any stretch of the imagination.
Someone who is lazy (diet or work ethic) just hasn't consistently done whatever work making and keeping real gains takes. This isn't me being a natural purist or some judgmental simply stating the simple fact that only a small percentage of people are genetically gifted. When you're talking average men/women only a small percentage have done enough work on their foundation before adding drugs to receive any lasting benefit.
There's no difference between twinks (skinny or fat) using steroids and fatasses abusing magical skinny pills instead of doing traditional shit like diet and exercise first.
The whole working out and dieting thing we do is a lifestyle choice and not just for show.
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Sorry to disappoint but that just isn't true.
Can everyone tweak things to maximize their genetic potential? Sure. That's not the same as having a "next level" by any stretch of the imagination.
Someone who is lazy (diet or work ethic) just hasn't consistently done whatever work making and keeping real gains takes. This isn't me being a natural purist or some judgmental simply stating the simple fact that only a small percentage of people are genetically gifted. When you're talking average men/women only a small percentage have done enough work on their foundation before adding drugs to receive any lasting benefit.
There's no difference between twinks (skinny or fat) using steroids and fatasses abusing magical skinny pills instead of doing traditional shit like diet and exercise first.
The whole working out and dieting thing we do is a lifestyle choice and not just for show.
Are you saying assuming people have decent nutrition, go to the gym etc...that after say 5 or 6 cycles or just 2 or 3 long ones if they use GH, IGF and insulin they won't see any improvements? This is what I mean by next level...maximizing your potential at one level before moving on to the next. Next meaning more potent pharmaceuticals.
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Are you saying assuming people have decent nutrition, go to the gym etc...that after say 5 or 6 cycles or just 2 or 3 long ones if they use GH, IGF and insulin they won't see any improvements? This is what I mean by next level...maximizing your potential at one level before moving on to the next. Next meaning more potent pharmaceuticals.
People often confuse change with improvement. Besides, I'm not arguing/saying drugs don't affect physique or body composition, merely that very few people look much better for having taken them.
Aside from no side-effects, there's not much difference between someone taking drugs to look like Cutler and some balding, middle-aged guy buying a new set of Nike Irons to play like Woods or Axe bodywash to pick up bitches. It's all marketing taking advantage of mental weakness.
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People often confuse change with improvement. Besides, I'm not arguing/saying drugs don't affect physique or body composition, merely that very few people look much better for having taken them.
Aside from no side-effects, there's not much difference between someone taking drugs to look like Cutler and some balding, middle-aged guy buying a new set of Nike Irons to play like Woods or Axe bodywash to pick up bitches. It's all marketing taking advantage of mental weakness.
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I think given the perfect environment,if you take ANYONE and train them, feed and juice them up they won't look like Jay or Ronnie but that change induced by pharmaceuticals can be considered improvement. Body composition, lean body mass increase. etc...The science speaks for itself. The level of change and improvement varies depending on the person. If done correctly i.e. building a base naturally, then introducing a little test and deca and increasing the food and amount of drugs as lean body mass increases, then introducing the potent test, gh, slin and IGF cycle...you're gonna build a helluva body. The drugs work they just work more or less for some people.
The drugs are great but you can look at 100 gym rats food, sleep and training and be able to change that and get improvements...Their solution....More drugs or peptides and insulin...
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It's great to see all the drug reliant lifters on here melt, every time I keep it real.
:D
It justs gets old hearing your anti-steroid crusade on a daily basis. It's usually the same long winded shit
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We're going to have to agree to disagree. I think given the perfect environment,if you take ANYONE and train them, feed and juice them up they won't look like Jay or Ronnie but that change induced by pharmaceuticals can be considered improvement. Body composition, lean body mass increase. etc...The science speaks for itself. The level of change and improvement varies depending on the person. If done correctly i.e. building a base naturally, then introducing a little test and deca and increasing the food and amount of drugs as lean body mass increases, then introducing the potent test, gh, slin and IGF cycle...you're gonna build a helluva body. The drugs work they just work more or less for some people.
and as soon as you stop the chemicals, you get back to your natural status.
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croatch is secretly on like three cylces from Tbombz advice.
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and as soon as you stop the chemicals, you get back to your natural status.
Correct. You're point? ;D
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Correct. Your point? ;D
there's no point in using steroids, it's inconceivably Vain.
It's a trademark evidence you dont understand anything about why you're alive.
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there's no point in using steroids, it's inconceivably Vain.
It's a trademark evidence you dont understand anything about why you're alive.
So is any form of plastic surgery or being a natural gym rat.
I can't name enough things people do out of vanity. Using steroids is just another one of them.
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You speak the truth. Most steroid users won't tell people they look like crap off the drugs. They just want a pat on the back for their physique they wouldn't have without the juice. I want to hear one roid guy say when receiving a compliment on their body that they use steroids. It's almost 100% denial when these guys are asked if they are users. They deny because they are rationalize to themself that they deserve the praise not the drugs.
The majority of guys that get into bodybuilding is because of insecurities. Take some steroids and suddenly you have a good physique and new found degree of aggression/confidence. How many have gone from zero to hero in three months of use. Then when completely off the juice for 6 months look like they never trained in their life?
I love the iron sports but bodybuilding is in a severe decline. Insecure men that use to bodybuild are flocking to MMA training and real bodybuilding is going down hill. At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.
Train naturally then any gains will be yours. Bodybuilding could be the sounding board for health and fitness but it's become a laughing stock for the public to sneer at. Have you even seen a bodybuilding contest on ESPN? I can find billiards but not bodybuilding. Something is wrong with that. The thing that is wrong is that today this is a sport based on drug use. No drugs/no sport.
According to many outside the getbig community. Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum. It's laughed at by most. Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics. No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis. The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".
It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains. There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
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You speak the truth. Most steroid users won't tell people they look like crap off the drugs. They just want a pat on the back for their physique they wouldn't have without the juice. I want to hear one roid guy say when receiving a compliment on their body that they use steroids. It's almost 100% denial when these guys are asked if they are users. They deny because they are rationalize to themself that they deserve the praise not the drugs.
The majority of guys that get into bodybuilding is because of insecurities. Take some steroids and suddenly you have a good physique and new found degree of aggression/confidence. How many have gone from zero to hero in three months of use. Then when completely off the juice for 6 months look like they never trained in their life?
I love the iron sports but bodybuilding is in a severe decline. Insecure men that use to bodybuild are flocking to MMA training and real bodybuilding is going down hill. At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.
Train naturally then any gains will be yours. Bodybuilding could be the sounding board for health and fitness but it's become a laughing stock for the public to sneer at. Have you even seen a bodybuilding contest on ESPN? I can find billiards but not bodybuilding. Something is wrong with that. The thing that is wrong is that today this is a sport based on drug use. No drugs/no sport.
They even have darts on ESPN!!
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It's the bodybuilders on steroids that motivated you to get big in the first place... not the small natural guys.
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Look at your face in the mirror and say that. I bet you call yourself a liar.
It's the bodybuilders on steroids that motivated you to get big in the first place... not the small natural guys.
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Look at your face in the mirror and say that. I bet you call yourself a liar.
When I was a kid I wanted to look like Stallone and Schwarzenegger... both steroid users. Just fuck off to some natural bodybuilding forum old man.
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When I was a kid I wanted to look like Stallone and Schwarzenegger... both steroid users. Just fuck off to some natural bodybuilding forum old man.
Hero worship is probably why many people do drugs.
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The most despicable among the bodybuilding "community" are the self righteous naturals like this douchewad Crotch who has been sobbing on this site for years about everyone being on the sauce and how he is so f*cking holier-than-thou for staying small and clean.
If steroids were legal I would f*cking tell anyone who cared I used them - there is no shame in it....it is a personal decision on my behalf and no concern to the runt naturals who are consumed with finger pointing.
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It's a good thing hormones don't cause mood swings. ::)
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disagree.
GH has the ability to take your physique to levels that steroids alone will never accomplish.
you can look at the physiques pre GH/ insulin and say they were great physiques without those compounds, but sadly many of those same physiques wouldn't place top 3 in a national level show. i'd be surprised if arnold in his prime could place at the Nats today.
so, you should change the above statement to 'save your money on GH unless you want to step on the national stage or build a physique capable of being there.'
Most people especially femals agree that the physiques of the 70's look better than those of bodybuilders today. So Steroids alone will get you the physique more people admire. Who do you care more about impressing with your physique, girls or other bodybuilders?
Even if Arnold couldnt place in the nationals he still has a better physique than bodybuilders today according to 99% of the population.
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The most despicable among the bodybuilding "community" are the self righteous naturals like this douchewad Crotch who has been sobbing on this site for years about everyone being on the sauce and how he is so f*cking holier-than-thou for staying small and clean.
If steroids were legal I would f*cking tell anyone who cared I used them - there is no shame in it....it is a personal decision on my behalf and no concern to the runt naturals who are consumed with finger pointing.
A "personal" decision, now that is epic. I don't know of any decisions in life that are personal ones.
I'll break it down for you...there is nothing accomplished taking drugs to make it to a gym, most can't do much on their own, you're probably one of them. Feel better knowing you're in the majority. I recommend continuing your drug use. If you stop, your size will be lost, and you probably don't have the heart to do it any other way.
True story.
You speak the truth. Most steroid users won't tell people they look like crap off the drugs. They just want a pat on the back for their physique they wouldn't have without the juice. I want to hear one roid guy say when receiving a compliment on their body that they use steroids. It's almost 100% denial when these guys are asked if they are users. They deny because they are rationalize to themself that they deserve the praise not the drugs.
The majority of guys that get into bodybuilding is because of insecurities. Take some steroids and suddenly you have a good physique and new found degree of aggression/confidence. How many have gone from zero to hero in three months of use. Then when completely off the juice for 6 months look like they never trained in their life?
I love the iron sports but bodybuilding is in a severe decline. Insecure men that use to bodybuild are flocking to MMA training and real bodybuilding is going down hill. At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.
Train naturally then any gains will be yours. Bodybuilding could be the sounding board for health and fitness but it's become a laughing stock for the public to sneer at. Have you even seen a bodybuilding contest on ESPN? I can find billiards but not bodybuilding. Something is wrong with that. The thing that is wrong is that today this is a sport based on drug use. No drugs/no sport.
Well said. Only on a internet forum do you here these steroid warriors talk about how great their cycle is going and they have no shame in it. Ask any one of these guys outside a gym about their drug use amongst strangers, see how forthcoming they'd be talking about their dirty little habit.
It's the same bs with all these guys. What I do is my business, etc....great, but how sad is it for a middle age guy continuously lying about the only thing he probably gets recognition for?
"Hey, you're looking bigger man...what are you doing?"
"Uhhh, I've been eating more red meat and changed my training regminent."
haha
It's pathetic.
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At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.
You sure missed the boat with that one. MMA guys use roids as almost as much as bodybuilders, just not the same dosages.
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Croatch < a juiced guy
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Crotch = Don Quixote of "Natural" Bodybuildng
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cROTCH JUICED AND NATURAL
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The most despicable among the bodybuilding "community" are the self righteous naturals like this douchewad Crotch who has been sobbing on this site for years about everyone being on the sauce and how he is so f*cking holier-than-thou for staying small and clean.
If steroids were legal I would f*cking tell anyone who cared I used them - there is no shame in it....it is a personal decision on my behalf and no concern to the runt naturals who are consumed with finger pointing.
X2 totally agree
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epic meltdown-esque thread :D
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Most of the getbig community=FAIL BB on their own
True story.
;) :D
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A "personal" decision, now that is epic. I don't know of any decisions in life that are personal ones.
I'll break it down for you...there is nothing accomplished taking drugs to make it to a gym, most can't do much on their own, you're probably one of them. Feel better knowing you're in the majority. I recommend continuing your drug use. If you stop, your size will be lost, and you probably don't have the heart to do it any other way.
True story.Well said. Only on a internet forum do you here these steroid warriors talk about how great their cycle is going and they have no shame in it. Ask any one of these guys outside a gym about their drug use amongst strangers, see how forthcoming they'd be talking about their dirty little habit.
It's the same bs with all these guys. What I do is my business, etc....great, but how sad is it for a middle age guy continuously lying about the only thing he probably gets recognition for?
"Hey, you're looking bigger man...what are you doing?"
"Uhhh, I've been eating more red meat and changed my training regminent."
haha
It's pathetic.
made me lol literally hahaha
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You're an angry fella crotch...Why get so upset over others actions that don't affect you?
Go on being an angry natural and let the juicers be happy juicers.
You're not one of these fellas that get pissed cause an ugly fella dates a hot chick are you?
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You're an angry fella crotch...Why get so upset over others actions that don't affect you?
Go on being an angry natural and let the juicers be happy juicers.
You're not one of these fellas that get pissed cause an ugly fella dates a hot chick are you?
Not angry Wiggs, just letting fools know what's up. I'm sure there are plenty of bb pretenders on the site. When they read my post, it's like an intervention for the weak.
I may be back in Vegas. You train on Stephanie at all? Plenty of pretenders there too. Sometimes I struggle to get through a workout, without busting up laughing at these clowns.
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Sometimes I struggle to get through a workout, without busting up laughing at these clowns.
Why do you stop yourself?
Laughter is the best medicine.
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croatch is secretly on like three cylces from Tbombz advice.
HIs last cycle was 20 weeks of 250mg test+100mg tren every day along with 5iu gh and 20 units humalog with every meal + 75 units lantus in the morning and 75mcg cytomel everyday
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Not angry Wiggs, just letting fools know what's up. I'm sure there are plenty of bb pretenders on the site. When they read my post, it's like an intervention for the weak.
I may be back in Vegas. You train on Stephanie at all? Plenty of pretenders there too. Sometimes I struggle to get through a workout, without busting up laughing at these clowns.
I used to work out pretty often with a guy who used. Nice dude, strong as fuck and never got tired while on. Off the shit he literally didn't have any emotional intensity, was useless and stopped lifting until a new source was available. Had a smoking hot GF but I found out later on tons of guys were pounding her pussy because of erectile issues.
Haven't seen him in years. Life choices aside, he was good to work out with on cycle; always on time and didn't talk too much.
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This might go a little long but stay with me...
I was thinking about why we don't see the quality physiques in the NPC as we did 15 years ago. In addition, why do you have some guys that look the same their whole career and some guys that blow up.
Since I started working out, I've always been told was important to build a base before hitting the sauce. Reason being, you want to take your body as close as you can to it's natural genetic limit, then you will be to become even larger on the the sauce. I guess I can agree with that in that if you took two cloned humans and have one weight train for 5 years and the other natural for those five years then you use juice for two years after, who is going to be bigger and better? The clone that trained naturally or the clone that didn't train at all? The answer is obvious...
Next up is GH, IGF and insulin. Many bodybuilders from the 70s and even in the 80s didn't use any of these and were able to obtain incredible physiques. Yet you have people who have cycles 2 or 3 times that are talking the peptides, slin mega doses of test and everything else you can think. They might end up building a decent physique but they could have built a much better one had they stayed with a reasonable amount of juice and increased the food for a couple more years (I understand this is the "I want it right now American Culture")These are the guys that were able to make it to the pros but won't do anything because they really are tapped out in terms of size or their bodies are just tired because of the mega doses of everything. It goes to beg the question, how important is GH, IGF and Slin? Answer = very important. BUT if you can't win a local show without it, you probably won't fare too well in the pros. The guys that go on to be successful pros are guys that aren't just young but fresh (no homo). Fresh meaning they haven't used everything but the kitchen sink...This means they still have much room to grow and improve in the pro ranks to compete with the greats. example as of recently: Phil Heath and Kai Greene. It is alleged that Kai was natural when he turned pro winning the team universe and that phil used a very low amount around 750mg of test and some other stuff (ALLEGEDLY). Obviously everyone won't be able to respond the way Phil does or follow the path Kai took (assuming all this is true). But these guys that are hyper responders will always be at the top of the pack. When these guys start using in the amounts (and what they use ((GH, IGF and slin)) other guys are using you get the huge jumps in weight. Example (Ronnie and Kai).
Will bodybuilders ever take less drugs than a previous generation? Probably not until there is gene replacement therapy or something else that comes along. We are the more is better culture and unfortunately bodybuilding is one of the best examples of this. Guys that look great naturally and look incredible using (by bodbuilders standards) "a little" will always be ahead of the pack. The guys megadosers will always be trying to catch up to make up for their bodybuilding genetic inferiority.
Obviously it's much more complicated then drugs and genetics.........LOL. No it's not ;D
Bottom line...Save your money on the GH, IGF and Slin unless you look like you can step on a national stage.
*unless you're using the GH for the many other usefull reasons.
i agree wiggs, although i do not think gh or igf makes much difference, judging from how its rampant use has been accompanied by rampant decline in quality physiques. not to mention how gh has very little impact on muscle growth in studies.
BB drug usage is disgusting and most have no place taking them.
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why have YOU used them then ?
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Why did he go off?
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Not a huge difference, except conditioning.
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Why did he go off?
HEALTH ISSUES
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hes not off in the second picture, he just isnt going insane with his doseages and number of drugs.
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hes not off in the second picture, he just isnt going insane with his doseages and number of drugs.
Agree , do you think he could of taken in to much thyroid med in the supposed off pic?