Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used

[drkaje]

Everyone has a next level.  It's just some are not as impressive as others.

Sorry to disappoint but that just isn't true.

Can everyone tweak things to maximize their genetic potential? Sure. That's not the same as having a "next level" by any stretch of the imagination.

Someone who is lazy (diet or work ethic) just hasn't consistently done whatever work making and keeping real gains takes. This isn't me being a natural purist or some judgmental simply stating the simple fact that only a small percentage of people are genetically gifted. When you're talking average men/women only a small percentage have done enough work on their foundation before adding drugs to receive any lasting benefit.

There's no difference between twinks (skinny or fat) using steroids and fatasses abusing magical skinny pills instead of doing traditional shit like diet and exercise first.

The whole working out and dieting thing we do is a lifestyle choice and not just for show.

[Wiggs]

Sorry to disappoint but that just isn't true.

Can everyone tweak things to maximize their genetic potential? Sure. That's not the same as having a "next level" by any stretch of the imagination.

Someone who is lazy (diet or work ethic) just hasn't consistently done whatever work making and keeping real gains takes. This isn't me being a natural purist or some judgmental simply stating the simple fact that only a small percentage of people are genetically gifted. When you're talking average men/women only a small percentage have done enough work on their foundation before adding drugs to receive any lasting benefit.

There's no difference between twinks (skinny or fat) using steroids and fatasses abusing magical skinny pills instead of doing traditional shit like diet and exercise first.

The whole working out and dieting thing we do is a lifestyle choice and not just for show.

Are you saying assuming people have decent nutrition, go to the gym etc...that after say 5 or 6 cycles or just 2 or 3 long ones if they use GH, IGF and insulin they won't see any improvements?  This is what I mean by next level...maximizing your potential at one level before moving on to the next.  Next meaning more potent pharmaceuticals.

[drkaje]

Are you saying assuming people have decent nutrition, go to the gym etc...that after say 5 or 6 cycles or just 2 or 3 long ones if they use GH, IGF and insulin they won't see any improvements?  This is what I mean by next level...maximizing your potential at one level before moving on to the next.  Next meaning more potent pharmaceuticals.

People often confuse change with improvement. Besides, I'm not arguing/saying drugs don't affect physique or body composition, merely that very few people look much better for having taken them.

Aside from no side-effects, there's not much difference between someone taking drugs to look like Cutler and some balding, middle-aged guy buying a new set of Nike Irons to play like Woods or Axe bodywash to pick up bitches. It's all marketing taking advantage of mental weakness.

[Wiggs]

People often confuse change with improvement. Besides, I'm not arguing/saying drugs don't affect physique or body composition, merely that very few people look much better for having taken them.

Aside from no side-effects, there's not much difference between someone taking drugs to look like Cutler and some balding, middle-aged guy buying a new set of Nike Irons to play like Woods or Axe bodywash to pick up bitches. It's all marketing taking advantage of mental weakness.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.  I think given the perfect environment,if you take ANYONE and train them, feed and juice them up they won't look like Jay or Ronnie but that change induced by pharmaceuticals can be considered improvement. Body composition, lean body mass increase. etc...The science speaks for itself.  The level of change and improvement varies depending on the person. If done correctly i.e.  building a base naturally, then introducing a little test and deca and increasing the food and amount of drugs as lean body mass increases, then introducing the potent test, gh, slin and IGF cycle...you're gonna build a helluva body.  The drugs work they just work more or less for some people.

The drugs are great but you can look at 100 gym rats food, sleep and training and be able to change that and get improvements...Their solution....More drugs or peptides and insulin...

[Smokincrazy]

It's great to see all the drug reliant lifters on here melt, every time I keep it real.
 

It justs gets old hearing your anti-steroid crusade on a daily basis.  It's usually the same long winded shit

[uberman09]

We're going to have to agree to disagree.  I think given the perfect environment,if you take ANYONE and train them, feed and juice them up they won't look like Jay or Ronnie but that change induced by pharmaceuticals can be considered improvement. Body composition, lean body mass increase. etc...The science speaks for itself.  The level of change and improvement varies depending on the person. If done correctly i.e.  building a base naturally, then introducing a little test and deca and increasing the food and amount of drugs as lean body mass increases, then introducing the potent test, gh, slin and IGF cycle...you're gonna build a helluva body.  The drugs work they just work more or less for some people.

and as soon as you stop the chemicals, you get back to your natural status.

[jaejonna]

croatch is secretly on like three cylces from Tbombz advice.

[Wiggs]

and as soon as you stop the chemicals, you get back to your natural status.

Correct. You're point?

[uberman09]

Correct. Your point?

there's no point in using steroids, it's inconceivably Vain.

It's a trademark evidence you dont understand anything about why you're alive.

[Wiggs]

there's no point in using steroids, it's inconceivably Vain.

It's a trademark evidence you dont understand anything about why you're alive.

So is any form of plastic surgery or being a natural gym rat.
I can't name enough things people do out of vanity.  Using steroids is just another one of them.

[oldtimer1]

You speak the truth. Most steroid users won't tell people they look like crap off the drugs.  They just want a pat on the back for their physique they wouldn't have without the juice.  I want to hear one roid guy say when receiving a compliment on their body that they use steroids.  It's almost 100% denial when these guys are asked if they are users. They deny because they are rationalize to themself that they deserve the praise not the drugs.

The majority of guys that get into bodybuilding is because of insecurities.  Take some steroids and suddenly you have a good physique and new found degree of aggression/confidence.  How many have gone from zero to hero in three months of use.  Then when completely off the juice for 6 months look like they never trained in their life?

I love the iron sports but bodybuilding is in a severe decline.  Insecure men that use to bodybuild are flocking to MMA training and real bodybuilding is going down hill. At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.

Train naturally then any gains will be yours.  Bodybuilding could be the sounding board for health and fitness but it's become a laughing stock for the public to sneer at.  Have you even seen a bodybuilding contest on ESPN?  I can find billiards but not bodybuilding.  Something is wrong with that.  The thing that is wrong is that today this is a sport based on drug use.  No drugs/no sport. 

According to many outside the getbig community.  Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum.  It's laughed at by most.  Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics.  No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis.  The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".

It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains.  There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.

[drkaje]

You speak the truth. Most steroid users won't tell people they look like crap off the drugs.  They just want a pat on the back for their physique they wouldn't have without the juice.  I want to hear one roid guy say when receiving a compliment on their body that they use steroids.  It's almost 100% denial when these guys are asked if they are users. They deny because they are rationalize to themself that they deserve the praise not the drugs.

The majority of guys that get into bodybuilding is because of insecurities.  Take some steroids and suddenly you have a good physique and new found degree of aggression/confidence.  How many have gone from zero to hero in three months of use.  Then when completely off the juice for 6 months look like they never trained in their life?

I love the iron sports but bodybuilding is in a severe decline.  Insecure men that use to bodybuild are flocking to MMA training and real bodybuilding is going down hill. At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.

Train naturally then any gains will be yours.  Bodybuilding could be the sounding board for health and fitness but it's become a laughing stock for the public to sneer at.  Have you even seen a bodybuilding contest on ESPN?  I can find billiards but not bodybuilding.  Something is wrong with that.  The thing that is wrong is that today this is a sport based on drug use.  No drugs/no sport. 

They even have darts on ESPN!!

[Nasty Nate]

It's the bodybuilders on steroids that motivated you to get big in the first place... not the small natural guys.

[oldtimer1]

Look at your face in the mirror and say that.  I bet you call yourself a liar.

It's the bodybuilders on steroids that motivated you to get big in the first place... not the small natural guys.

[Nasty Nate]

Look at your face in the mirror and say that.  I bet you call yourself a liar.

When I was a kid I wanted to look like Stallone and Schwarzenegger... both steroid users. Just fuck off to some natural bodybuilding forum old man.

[drkaje]

When I was a kid I wanted to look like Stallone and Schwarzenegger... both steroid users. Just fuck off to some natural bodybuilding forum old man.

Hero worship is probably why many people do drugs.

[APE907]

The most despicable among the bodybuilding "community" are the self righteous naturals like this douchewad Crotch who has been sobbing on this site for years about everyone being on the sauce and how he is so f*cking holier-than-thou for staying small and clean.

If steroids were legal I would f*cking tell anyone who cared I used them - there is no shame in it....it is a personal decision on my behalf and no concern to the runt naturals who are consumed with finger pointing.

[drkaje]

It's a good thing hormones don't cause mood swings.

[Mussolini]

disagree.

GH has the ability to take your physique to levels that steroids alone will never accomplish.

you can look at the physiques pre GH/ insulin and say they were great physiques without those compounds, but sadly many of those same physiques wouldn't place top 3 in a national level show. i'd be surprised if arnold in his prime could place at the Nats today.

so, you should change the above statement to 'save your money on GH unless you want to step on the national stage or build a physique capable of being there.'

Most people especially femals agree that the physiques of the 70's look better than those of bodybuilders today. So Steroids alone will get you the physique more people admire. Who do you care more about impressing with your physique, girls or other bodybuilders?

Even if Arnold couldnt place in the nationals he still has a better physique than bodybuilders today according to 99% of the population.

[Croatch]

The most despicable among the bodybuilding "community" are the self righteous naturals like this douchewad Crotch who has been sobbing on this site for years about everyone being on the sauce and how he is so f*cking holier-than-thou for staying small and clean.

If steroids were legal I would f*cking tell anyone who cared I used them - there is no shame in it....it is a personal decision on my behalf and no concern to the runt naturals who are consumed with finger pointing.

A "personal" decision, now that is epic.  I don't know of any decisions in life that are personal ones.
I'll break it down for you...there is nothing accomplished taking drugs to make it to a gym, most can't do much on their own, you're probably one of them.  Feel better knowing you're in the majority.  I recommend continuing your drug use.  If you stop, your size will be lost, and you probably don't have the heart to do it any other way.
True story.

You speak the truth. Most steroid users won't tell people they look like crap off the drugs.  They just want a pat on the back for their physique they wouldn't have without the juice.  I want to hear one roid guy say when receiving a compliment on their body that they use steroids.  It's almost 100% denial when these guys are asked if they are users. They deny because they are rationalize to themself that they deserve the praise not the drugs.

The majority of guys that get into bodybuilding is because of insecurities.  Take some steroids and suddenly you have a good physique and new found degree of aggression/confidence.  How many have gone from zero to hero in three months of use.  Then when completely off the juice for 6 months look like they never trained in their life?

I love the iron sports but bodybuilding is in a severe decline.  Insecure men that use to bodybuild are flocking to MMA training and real bodybuilding is going down hill. At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.

Train naturally then any gains will be yours.  Bodybuilding could be the sounding board for health and fitness but it's become a laughing stock for the public to sneer at.  Have you even seen a bodybuilding contest on ESPN?  I can find billiards but not bodybuilding.  Something is wrong with that.  The thing that is wrong is that today this is a sport based on drug use.  No drugs/no sport.

Well said.  Only on a internet forum do you here these steroid warriors talk about how great their cycle is going and they have no shame in it.  Ask any one of these guys outside a gym about their drug use amongst strangers, see how forthcoming they'd be talking about their dirty little habit.
It's the same bs with all these guys.  What I do is my business, etc....great, but how sad is it for a middle age guy continuously lying about the only thing he probably gets recognition for?
"Hey, you're looking bigger man...what are you doing?"
"Uhhh, I've been eating more red meat and changed my training regminent."
haha
It's pathetic.

[BigNickMarshall]

At least the guys going to their local strip mall MMA dojo aren't looking to buy syringes and vials out of a shady guy's trunk in some dark parking lot.

You sure missed the boat with that one.  MMA guys use roids as almost as much as bodybuilders, just not the same dosages.

[Immortal_Technique]

Croatch < a juiced guy

[APE907]

Crotch = Don Quixote of "Natural" Bodybuildng

[WillGrant]

cROTCH JUICED AND NATURAL

[Smokincrazy]

The most despicable among the bodybuilding "community" are the self righteous naturals like this douchewad Crotch who has been sobbing on this site for years about everyone being on the sauce and how he is so f*cking holier-than-thou for staying small and clean.

If steroids were legal I would f*cking tell anyone who cared I used them - there is no shame in it....it is a personal decision on my behalf and no concern to the runt naturals who are consumed with finger pointing.

X2 totally agree