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Title: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 03:48:20 AM
Starting up a 69 Charger with 440 Magnum


69 Charger---car so loud a woman covers her ears


68 Charger


Dayum-68 Charger
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 04:03:09 AM
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on December 05, 2009, 04:04:07 AM
One of the most amazing cars ever built.  A world of its own in all respects.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 04:20:19 AM
One of the most amazing cars ever built.  A world of its own in all respects.
Yep, and here is the most famous chase scene involving two of my favorites cars, the 68 Mustang 390 and the 68 Charger
Bullitt, the chase scene that began all chase scenes
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Magnus on December 05, 2009, 04:23:08 AM
Fixed.

Thread closed.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on December 05, 2009, 04:25:55 AM
Fixed.

Thread closed.

 ::)  Although a beautiful car it's a soup can on wheels compared to an anvil on a jet engine that is the Charger.  The Charger is embodies everything American in my opinion.  Freedom, power, respect.  The Ferrari embodies everything European......flimsy, dainty, beautiful, subdued, and refined. 
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Magnus on December 05, 2009, 04:44:31 AM
Sorry Muscle, no disrespect but...

 how many F1 Championships Dodge did win?
 How many Endurance World Championships Dodge did win?
 how many 24Hours of Les Mans Dodge did win?
 how many Gran Touring Championships Dodge did win?

Again no disrespect but an anvil will never be a Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece.

Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Tombo on December 05, 2009, 04:52:18 AM
::)  Although a beautiful car it's a soup can on wheels compared to an anvil on a jet engine that is the Charger.  The Charger is embodies everything American in my opinion.  Freedom, power, respect.  The Ferrari embodies everything European......flimsy, dainty, beautiful, subdued, and refined. 

U JOEK RITE

that car isn't the prettiest of Ferrari's but i think you forgot to put in "IN MY OPINION"
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Magnus on December 05, 2009, 04:54:30 AM
It was my fault, ya know, Ferrari is a deep proud for italians and sometimes we can get a little too rough on this!
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 05:07:13 AM
It was my fault, ya know, Ferrari is a deep proud for italians and sometimes we can get a little too rough on this!
And now, sadly Fiat owns the Viper Brand.  New car will be coming out in 2 yrs. And of course Fiat will make sure that it doesn't upstage it's other holding...Ferrari.

The Daytona was never a musclecar, it was a front engine GT, like the 550/575 Maranello, and the current 599 GTB. Two different things, 60's muscle car vs. 70's poster icon.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Magnus on December 05, 2009, 05:13:37 AM
...well Parker...I think that for the Getbig server it's better that we end it here... ;)

Ya know I live 10 km from Maranello, we live, breathe, drink cars...
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on December 05, 2009, 05:14:47 AM
Sorry Muscle, no disrespect but...

 how many F1 Championships Dodge did win?
 How many Endurance World Championships Dodge did win?
 how many 24Hours of Les Mans Dodge did win?
 how many Gran Touring Championships Dodge did win?

Again no disrespect but an anvil will never be a Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece.



Ferraris were built to tootle around a race track and look pretty......Chargers were built to power down a two lane highway with nowhere to go and all day to get there.  Hence the American muscle car mentality vs. the pretentious European Ferrari mentality.  Sorry :(  A vintage Ferrari can't hold a candle to a Vintage Charger.  

Ferrari = tin can on wheels
Vintage Dodge Charger = steel on wheels
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 05:18:39 AM
...well Parker...I think that for the Getbig server it's better that we end it here... ;)

Ya know I live 10 km from Maranello, we live, breathe, drink cars...
Yeah, so you probably know about the story of Enzo frustration of the Shelby Daytonas vs his 250 GTOs ;)

we'll end it here.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 05, 2009, 05:25:50 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: _bruce_ on December 05, 2009, 05:28:27 AM
Power
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:32:39 AM
Fixed.

Thread closed.

Not really , it's not a muscle car it's apples vs oranges and I'm Tifoso but there is no comparison
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:36:05 AM
Yeah, so you probably know about the story of Enzo frustration of the Shelby Daytonas vs his 250 GTOs ;)

we'll end it here.

Ouch  ;D
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: wes on December 05, 2009, 05:39:40 AM
Cars today are shit.....no comparison!
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:42:59 AM
This Dodge is faster around The Ring than ANY Ferrari and in fact any Italian sports car  ;D
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:45:27 AM
Cars today are shit.....no comparison!

Actually cars of today are much better I agree NO comparison , more fuel efficient , more power , safer , more reliable , better handling , more comfortable , etc

I love old muscle cars but facts are facts
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 05, 2009, 05:48:31 AM
The old Hemi engines were fast, Nascar outlawed them because they were running away from the competion.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: ironneck on December 05, 2009, 06:22:49 AM
german cars baby
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on December 05, 2009, 08:11:03 AM
Starting up a 69 Charger with 440 Magnum


69 Charger---car so loud a woman covers her ears


68 Charger


Dayum-68 Charger


fella  on GH,,, test MEGA DOSE DBOL deca T3.

God

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Dipadidu on December 05, 2009, 08:23:54 AM
This Dodge is faster around The Ring than ANY Ferrari and in fact any Italian sports car  ;D

in your dreams
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 08:49:38 AM
in your dreams

Show me one Ferrari or Italian sports car faster around the ring than the ACR and good luck  ;)
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 10:37:19 AM
Show me one Ferrari or Italian sports car faster around the ring than the ACR and good luck  ;)
There is none, in fact the Gumpert Apollo just did a 7.11.57 around the 'Ring. Freakin insane!
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 05, 2009, 10:43:04 AM
in your dreams
sorry bro.....its reality.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 05, 2009, 10:48:13 AM
There is none, in fact the Gumpert Apollo just did a 7.11.57 around the 'Ring. Freakin insane!
its amazing what you can do with torque huh?

Italians have no torque to properly exit the corners, or get off the line.

hell, the street/strip car i just finished dynoed at 1012 rwhp, and 1003 rwtq at 21 psi, and it still gets 20 mpg hwy on its street tune!!!

sometimes you gotta play with size and stroke to stay competitive.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: jesusbod on December 05, 2009, 10:54:37 AM
Fixed.

Thread closed.

Piece of shit car.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Smokincrazy on December 05, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
Sorry Muscle, no disrespect but...

 how many F1 Championships Dodge did win?
 How many Endurance World Championships Dodge did win?
 how many 24Hours of Les Mans Dodge did win?
 how many Gran Touring Championships Dodge did win?

Again no disrespect but an anvil will never be a Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece.


Oh brother   ::)   Who cares????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    It's an American muscle masterpiece
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 05, 2009, 11:01:46 AM
Sorry Muscle, no disrespect but...

 how many F1 Championships Dodge did win?
 How many Endurance World Championships Dodge did win?
 how many 24Hours of Les Mans Dodge did win?
 how many Gran Touring Championships Dodge did win?

Again no disrespect but an anvil will never be a Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece.


how many of these are factory cars?......exactly, not a damn one. you cant compare a tube chassis race care to their production line, hell if you can i have a 2004 cobra that can outrun half the shit on the internet...even though only thing ford under the hood is the windshield wiper motor.

factory vs factory....the viper whips its ass.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Smokincrazy on December 05, 2009, 11:07:30 AM
Bench post a pic of your Stang bro
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 05, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
Bench post a pic of your Stang bro
hell no, i am a police officer who street races. i don't need that attention ;D

the cobra only has around 830 rwhp, my 88 lx is the beast...to get emmision inspected ;D

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: americanbulldog on December 05, 2009, 11:45:46 AM
I'll take the Charger, with a Keith Black 528 Aluminum block Hemi..............

Add in a Tremec T6060 Viper Spec six speed, a new aluminum k member from XV motorsports with level 3 suspension and big baer brakes....

Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 11:48:56 AM
its amazing what you can do with torque huh?

Italians have no torque to properly exit the corners, or get off the line.

hell, the street/strip car i just finished dynoed at 1012 rwhp, and 1003 rwtq at 21 psi, and it still gets 20 mpg hwy on its street tune!!!

sometimes you gotta play with size and stroke to stay competitive.

bench
About 8 yrs ago, I was watch a ALMS race, and they showed pretty much a tutorial on torque vs high rev hp, the cars were a Panoz LMP race car with a 6+ liter V8 and a Audi R8 race car, which had a 3.5 liter turbocharged V8. In the corners the Panoz  caught up to the Audi, but when they hit the straight, the Adui was GONE! Just took off. Another example, is recently Autocar tested the Caddy CTS-V vs the M5, of course the Caddy won, but when it came to going past the 1/4, the M5 high rev engine had it iching back up and passing the Caddy.

But that Gumpert Apollo is insane. Insane looking, and I don't think that car is even street legal here.

Although to give Magnus credit, the upcoming Enzo replacement is rumored to have 900 hp and weigh about 2,200 pounds, rumored I said.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: BIG DUB on December 05, 2009, 11:58:45 AM
KING KONG. ;)

Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: noworries on December 05, 2009, 12:09:20 PM
Sorry Muscle, no disrespect but...

 how many F1 Championships Dodge did win?
 How many Endurance World Championships Dodge did win?
 how many 24Hours of Les Mans Dodge did win?
 how many Gran Touring Championships Dodge did win?

Again no disrespect but an anvil will never be a Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece.



How many Daytona 500's has a Ferrari won
How many Brickyard 500's has a Ferrari won
How many Nascar Races has Ferrari won

And I love Ferrari's and Porsche's and used to drive one everyday, but your analogy was all wrong.  And I have had 2 66' Mustangs an 86' 5.0 convertible and a 67' Firebird convertible and 77' Trans Am Limited and a 69' Nova so I love American.  If I was to get another fast american car it would be another 67 Firebird or a new Chrysler 300 SRT.  I need more room and a bit more luxury now.  
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: ManBearPig... on December 05, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
i have an 06 Charger RT.  I cum in my pants every time to this day when i start it.  Sadly, the wife's driving it now cuz her shit box is fucked up so it's filled with purses and water bottles.   :'(
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 05, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
i have an 06 Charger RT.  I cum in my pants every time to this day when i start it.  Sadly, the wife's driving it now cuz her shit box is fucked up so it's filled with purses and water bottles.   :'(
Watch out a woman will ruin a nice Charger RT does it have the hemi engine?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: YoungBlood on December 05, 2009, 03:29:44 PM



Quote
Yep, and here is the most famous chase scene involving two of my favorites cars, the 68 Mustang 390 and the 68 Charger
Bullitt, the chase scene that began all chase scenes


Filmed around SF and it's surrounding cities.
Look at how many hubcaps the VW Beetle loses, or how many times they pass that same car in various angles. Lots of funny little trivia from that one scene alone...

...and as much as I love that Mustang (I have a 67 Fastback), that Charger would get up, run and hide, chase the Mustang back down and run circles around it taunting it. The 390 Mustang (never officially known as that however) was far too front heavy with that motor in it, and it didn't breathe worth shit.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
There is none, in fact the Gumpert Apollo just did a 7.11.57 around the 'Ring. Freakin insane!

Exactly . That Gumpert is insane looks just like a pure GT car you see it on Top gear?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: body88 on December 05, 2009, 03:34:27 PM
Sorry Muscle, no disrespect but...

 how many F1 Championships Dodge did win?
 How many Endurance World Championships Dodge did win?
 how many 24Hours of Les Mans Dodge did win?
 how many Gran Touring Championships Dodge did win?

Again no disrespect but an anvil will never be a Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece.



Learn how to speak English, first.  American muscle cars are not meant to handle. It's not what they are about.  The parameters that you speak of mean nothing to a muscle car fan, just as what makes muscle cars special means nothing to someone like you.  American muscle cars are meant to cruise, be fast in a straight line and are inexpensive compared to a Ferrari.  

I drive a European car, so I have no axe to grind.  I know of an american muscle car that eats Ferraris from breakfast and always has, the gt40.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: body88 on December 05, 2009, 03:35:08 PM
in your dreams

No, it's true....it has the track record.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: BodyProSite on December 05, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
American v8,  fastest accelerating combustion engine on earth,  nhra top fuel !!!!   enough said
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 05, 2009, 03:57:55 PM
Exactly . That Gumpert is insane looks just like a pure GT car you see it on Top gear?
No, I didn't see it on Topgear, but I did see Michael Schumacher in the Ferrari Fxx in blitz the record, just to have it taken down.

Youngblood, yeah I failed to mention the situation with the Mustang and the Charger, how the Mustang had to have it's suspension redone just for the chase scene, but it still couldn't hold up, yet the Charger's did. To me, the Charger's true
contemporary competitor would have been a 67-68 or 65 Impala SS, big bodied like the Charger and Big Engined as well.

Body88, agreed. Although the Gt40, came into being because
Henry Ford II wanted Ferrari all to himself, Ferrari wanted to keep the racing side, since that was all he was really about. Had
 Henry not been a typically American for the time, Ferrari might have been part of Ford, and the GT40 may not have existed. And the Mustang may have in terms of development and evolution, at this time been the equivalent of the M3.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 04:04:39 PM
No, I didn't see it on Topgear, but I did see Michael Schumacher in the Ferrari Fxx in blitz the record, just to have it taken down.

Youngblood, yeah I failed to mention the situation with the Mustang and the Charger, how the Mustang had to have it's suspension redone just for the chase scene, but it still couldn't hold up, yet the Charger's did. To me, the Charger's true
contemporary competitor would have been a 67-68 or 65 Impala SS, big bodied like the Charger and Big Engined as well.

Body88, agreed. Although the Gt40, came into being because
Henry Ford II wanted Ferrari all to himself, Ferrari wanted to keep the racing side, since that was all he was really about. Had
 Henry not been a typically American for the time, Ferrari might have been part of Ford, and the GT40 may not have existed. And the Mustang may have in terms of development and evolution, at this time been the equivalent of the M3.

FXX was on slicks  :-X
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: YoungBlood on December 05, 2009, 04:06:19 PM


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Youngblood, yeah I failed to mention the situation with the Mustang and the Charger, how the Mustang had to have it's suspension redone just for the chase scene, but it still couldn't hold up, yet the Charger's did. To me, the Charger's true
contemporary competitor would have been a 67-68 or 65 Impala SS, big bodied like the Charger and Big Engined as well.

You also didn't mention how the Charger slammed into a parked car just prior to the camera changing angles.
The Mustang also took out a camera stand around one turn, injuring the camera man on top of it. That turned proved to be quite difficult for many people. I think they tried three different drivers, and only after numerous takes did Mcqueen finally get the car around the corner successfully.
You'll also notice after one of the hill jumps, that he 'Stang comes down too hard, and you see a plume of black smoke for a brief second. This is the car bottoming out and smashing it's oil pan- which had to be rewelded while still on the car and warm from the scenes, because they were under a shooting deadline.
You can see a crane pull a fake Charger through the gas station after the car "crashed" and caused flames to erupt. DVD's made this part far easier to see than VHS!
Steve Mcqueen also tried to buy that very Mustang (one of two used for the scene) but when he went back to the studio the car was gone, reported to be on it's way to be a beer can :( . The car was never found...unless you count the bouncer at the door of a bar I used to play that claims the car is still in SF ::)
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Bobby on December 05, 2009, 04:24:02 PM
Fantastic cars, they don't make em like that anymore, the new one just aren't the same...

This Dodge is faster around The Ring than ANY Ferrari and in fact any Italian sports car  ;D

That car is pretty crazy, though they didn't like it on fifth gear and said the Corvette Z06 was better, which probably is the best American muscle car ever...it can do it all, power in a straight line, hang with European cars on a track and it's relatively cheap

When it comes to the ring, does the Dodge beat a Nissan GTR or a Porsche 911 GT3 ?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 05, 2009, 04:36:12 PM
About 8 yrs ago, I was watch a ALMS race, and they showed pretty much a tutorial on torque vs high rev hp, the cars were a Panoz LMP race car with a 6+ liter V8 and a Audi R8 race car, which had a 3.5 liter turbocharged V8. In the corners the Panoz  caught up to the Audi, but when they hit the straight, the Adui was GONE! Just took off. Another example, is recently Autocar tested the Caddy CTS-V vs the M5, of course the Caddy won, but when it came to going past the 1/4, the M5 high rev engine had it iching back up and passing the Caddy.

But that Gumpert Apollo is insane. Insane looking, and I don't think that car is even street legal here.

Although to give Magnus credit, the upcoming Enzo replacement is rumored to have 900 hp and weigh about 2,200 pounds, rumored I said.
ok, but the panoz is naturally aspirated, and the Audi isnt. the longer the audi stays "in it" the more horsepower and torque its going to make due to the fact that turbos work with high RPM's.

throw a turbo, and forged internals on the panoz and see what happens ;)

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
Fantastic cars, they don't make em like that anymore, the new one just aren't the same...

That car is pretty crazy, though they didn't like it on fifth gear and said the Corvette Z06 was better, which probably is the best American muscle car ever...it can do it all, power in a straight line, hang with European cars on a track and it's relatively cheap

When it comes to the ring, does the Dodge beat a Nissan GTR or a Porsche 911 GT3 ?

Oh yeah the Viper ACR beats them easily 7:22.1 for the Viper
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Bobby on December 05, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
Oh yeah the Viper ACR beats them easily 7:22.1 for the Viper

it's the fastest around the ring then, right?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:28:30 PM
it's the fastest around the ring then, right?

Compared to them yes , but the Gumpert is way faster
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 05, 2009, 05:30:28 PM
Compared to them yes , but the Gumpert is way faster
You got any specs on the Gumpert ND?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Bobby on December 05, 2009, 05:34:10 PM
Compared to them yes , but the Gumpert is way faster

what's that? not a production car?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:36:44 PM
You got any specs on the Gumpert ND?



Three different versions 2400lbs 750BHP 4.2 liter twin-turbo V8 made in Germany and yes it's a production car.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 05, 2009, 05:39:40 PM
Damn ND fine auto for sure even Hulkster couldnt argue with that. ;D
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
Damn ND fine auto for sure even Hulkster couldnt argue with that. ;D

What the fuck would he know? he drives a Ford Escape  ::)
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Tombo on December 05, 2009, 05:45:10 PM
while all the cars in this thread wouldn't be taken for granted if driven/owned/were within purchase ranges for us all .. i do believe that in elitist terms the dodge viper handles like a piece of shit although im not sure what the ACR kit/mods do for it and i certainly cbf - regardless of this it is a very nice looking car.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 05, 2009, 05:47:32 PM
while all the cars in this thread wouldn't be taken for granted if driven/owned/were within purchase ranges for us all .. i do believe that in elitist terms the dodge viper handles like a piece of shit although im not sure what the ACR kit/mods do for it and i certainly cbf - regardless of this it is a very nice looking car.

The Ring is a track that taxes the limits of a cars handling if it handled like shit it wouldn't be that fast around one of the most grueling race tracks ever devised.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Tombo on December 05, 2009, 05:52:21 PM
The Ring is a track that taxes the limits of a cars handling if it handled like shit it wouldn't be that fast around one of the most grueling race tracks ever devised.

i'm not 100% but when talking about standards/extremes im somewhat certain that the nurburgring is the only one to quote when talking about prestige performance

but ill check it out Bru
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Bobby on December 05, 2009, 05:53:18 PM


Three different versions 2400lbs 750BHP 4.2 liter twin-turbo V8 made in Germany and yes it's a production car.

OMG!! that was just ridiculous!! what a car!!!
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 05, 2009, 05:58:04 PM
What the fuck would he know? he drives a Ford Escape  ::)
A weak auto for sure
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: HTexan on December 05, 2009, 11:43:56 PM
muscle cars kick ass
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 06, 2009, 02:23:03 AM
Damn ND fine auto for sure even Hulkster couldnt argue with that. ;D
Gumpert was started by Roland Gumpert who was part of the original Audi WRC program, responsible for the Quattro coupes in Rallying. And also Roland Mayer, who is a Audi tuner. That 4.2 liter V8 is the same that is in the R8 and the same that was in the RS4.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Magnus on December 06, 2009, 02:58:51 AM
Learn how to speak English, first.  

Thanks for your kindness my dear american friend
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on December 06, 2009, 06:57:25 AM
http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/taurus/trim/?trim=sho

I'm no fan of Fords or American cars in general nowadays but this Taurus looks kind of interesting.  They compare it above the Audi. 
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: ironneck on December 06, 2009, 10:26:58 AM
american cars will never be as greats as german masterpieces
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 06, 2009, 11:48:11 AM
american cars will never be as greats as german masterpieces
because their purpose is different.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: ironneck on December 06, 2009, 11:54:23 AM
because their purpose is different.

bench

agreed

but i would always prefer a perfect m3 over a mustang or whatever
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 06, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
agreed

but i would always prefer a perfect m3 over a mustang or whatever
or so you think. i have owned, driven, or raced damn near anything you can think of, and some shit would suprise the hell out of you.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: ironneck on December 06, 2009, 12:00:13 PM
or so you think. i have owned, driven, or raced damn near anything you can think of, and some shit would suprise the hell out of you.

bench

i'm not rich and i don't have the opportunity to drive many cars
hopefully one day....
right now i drive a 116i,hope to get a 525d in 2 years


tell me a bit
you drove an m3=?

Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: ironneck on December 06, 2009, 12:03:48 PM
don't get me wrong guys,there are great american cars
i even like the look of the new musclecars but too much plastic in the car for my taste
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 06, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
don't get me wrong guys,there are great american cars
i even like the look of the new musclecars but too much plastic in the car for my taste
Agreed german cars are great, I have a bmw great engine and chassis. But what the fuck is with the rest of the car all the lights are continuing to be replaced, I have 3 windows that will not come back up if rolled down...just accessory stuff is shit in my book on the bmw
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 06, 2009, 12:35:49 PM
american cars will never be as greats as german masterpieces
Corvette Z06 and ZR1 and the Viper Acr surprised the hell out the Euros. Plus the Viper had been winning it's class in Le Mans the Gt2 class from the 90's to the early 2000's. Then the Corvette GTRs took over, beating and besting Lambo's RGT, the Aston Martin DBSRs, Ferrari 550/575 GTRs, Saleens. So the Americans can make sports Cars, but there is a love affair with the muscle car.

One of the main reasons why American really lacks exceptional
 sports cars is because in he 50's the marques had banned sports car racing or racing altogether, don't know why. But the Ford T-bird was spanking the hell out of the first gen Corvettes. In 1958 Ford made the T-bird a 4 place car, stating that there was no future for 2 seat sports cars. Well, they sealed the T-bird's fate. The Corvette went on to evolve into a world beater and the T-bird no longer exists. And there is the other reason why America's sports cars don't do so well, piss poor upper management who have no forethought, or are only interested in the bottom line.
Funny thing is, the Fords in Europe handle far better and are of a better quality than their counterparts here. Ford of Europe has better or higher standards. And so does GM's Euro arm, Opel.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 06, 2009, 02:45:46 PM
i'm not rich and i don't have the opportunity to drive many cars
hopefully one day....
right now i drive a 116i,hope to get a 525d in 2 years


tell me a bit
you drove an m3=?


if it's a bmw and has "m" on it...i have driven it. i have competed in scca since i have been able to drive. a lot of people have let me borrow their keys before.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 06, 2009, 04:24:02 PM
if it's a bmw and has "m" on it...i have driven it. i have competed in scca since i have been able to drive. a lot of people have let me borrow their keys before.

bench
You had said before, that the Supra was a Dyno queen, care to elaborate.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 06, 2009, 06:50:17 PM
You had said before, that the Supra was a Dyno queen, care to elaborate.
i love the supra dont get me wrong, i have one in my garage right now.

but it's all peak horsepower with a supra. the power curve is usually shit.

for top end runs they are great. if i am racing from a 60-70mph roll....a supra is my weapon of choice (after my bikes)

they are a high reving turbo car, thus low end/low RPM power leaves to be desired.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: ManBearPig... on December 06, 2009, 07:54:48 PM
Watch out a woman will ruin a nice Charger RT does it have the hemi engine?

well, it's an RT, so yes.

"it's a hemee" - joe dirt
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: 3Dkiller on December 06, 2009, 08:25:17 PM
Sorry Muscle, no disrespect but...

 how many F1 Championships Dodge did win?
 How many Endurance World Championships Dodge did win?
 how many 24Hours of Les Mans Dodge did win?
 how many Gran Touring Championships Dodge did win?

Again no disrespect but an anvil will never be a Leonardo da Vinci masterpiece.



thats Right :) lemme guess 0 :)  American muscle failure
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Bobby on December 07, 2009, 04:35:06 AM
thats Right :) lemme guess 0 :)  American muscle failure

that's true American car generally don't handle well...however if you look at how incredibly powerful and fast a charger is on the quarter mile and look at how cheap it is to get all that power, it's incredible how many expensive cars it beats. they're made for one purpose affordable power.

American cars = low end TORQUE (fast in a straight line, does not rev much more than 2.500-3.000)

Japanese cars = High reving horsepower (usually small engines with a turbo, lack of power in low revs)

European cars = somewhere in between, especially BMW it has some low end torque and some high rev HP, but doesn't like to rev more than 5.500
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: L00n on December 07, 2009, 04:56:43 AM
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6065/kola.jpg)

what kind of model is this car?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: BodyProSite on December 07, 2009, 05:17:09 AM
if you have never drivin a pro mod and went from 0 to 190 in the 1/8 mile, in 3.90 to 4.10 range you dont know what your missing
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 07, 2009, 07:46:40 AM
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6065/kola.jpg)

what kind of model is this car?
Cougar. It was meant to be a lux version of the Mustang.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: L00n on December 07, 2009, 12:50:34 PM
thanks Parker.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: funk51 on December 07, 2009, 12:51:40 PM
Starting up a 69 Charger with 440 Magnum


69 Charger---car so loud a woman covers her ears


68 Charger


Dayum-68 Charger

                                                      buy a muffler for that thing said by a former owner of a dodge polaris 383,  4 barrel vroooom vroooom.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2009, 12:56:05 PM
You had said before, that the Supra was a Dyno queen, care to elaborate.


The old saying is what's the difference between a 500hp Supra and a 900hp Supra? nothing they both do 12.7 in the 1/4 lol

Supposedly a lot of Supras make a LOT of horsepower on the dyno but when push comes to shove that doesn't translate on the track .
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 07, 2009, 01:13:59 PM

The old saying is what's the difference between a 500hp Supra and a 900hp Supra? nothing they both do 12.7 in the 1/4 lol

Supposedly a lot of Supras make a LOT of horsepower on the dyno but when push comes to shove that doesn't translate on the track .
Here is the thing, and bench can answer as well. The veyron has 365 rears ( for the Grand Sport), that are specially made, it has 987 hp, 923 pound feet of torque and all wheel drive. I sincerely doubt that a 1200 hp Supra or Gallardo or Mustang, has rears, that are made specifically for the street mind you, to handle all that hp and torque. So why invest all that time and effort to not put all that down to the ground?I saw one YouTube vid where the dude had a 1400 hp (claimed) Supra, he was accelerating on the street at night, and he was bragging about leaving 30 ft of rubber, that means his tires were spinning, and he wasn't putting it down, correct?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
Here is the thing, and bench can answer as well. The veyron has 365 rears ( for the Grand Sport), that are specially made, it has 987 hp, 923 pound feet of torque and all wheel drive. I sincerely doubt that a 1200 hp Supra or Gallardo or Mustang, has rears, that are made specifically for the street mind you, to handle all that hp and torque. So why invest all that time and effort to not put all that down to the ground?I saw one YouTube vid where the dude had a 1400 hp (claimed) Supra, he was accelerating on the street at night, and he was bragging about leaving 30 ft of rubber, that means his tires were spinning, and he wasn't putting it down, correct?

Exactly horsepower means dick without traction . hooking up on the street on street tries opposed to a sticky treated track after warming your slicks is another. you ever seen the vid of the Veyron just talking off from a stand still? about 2 feet of chirping from the tires and it was gone they got it right , four wheel drive , traction control etc
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2009, 01:37:47 PM
Cougar. It was meant to be a lux version of the Mustang.

Like in From Dusk Till Dawn  ;D

I knew someone who had a 68 Cougar tubbed , 351 Cleveland worked , sharp car something different

Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 07, 2009, 02:09:27 PM
Like in From Dusk Till Dawn  ;D

I knew someone who had a 68 Cougar tubbed , 351 Cleveland worked , sharp car something different


A guy across the street had a cougar, sittingin the garage. It was a convertible, I think he was leaving or wanted to fix it up for his son. Was not to be, he sold it. His son was a expert in Crash em Up Bang em Up, so no Cougar for him.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
A guy across the street had a cougar, sittingin the garage. It was a convertible, I think he was leaving or wanted to fix it up for his son. Was not to be, he sold it. His son was a expert in Crash em Up Bang em Up, so no Cougar for him.

Ouch that sucks lol
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 07, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
Here is the thing, and bench can answer as well. The veyron has 365 rears ( for the Grand Sport), that are specially made, it has 987 hp, 923 pound feet of torque and all wheel drive. I sincerely doubt that a 1200 hp Supra or Gallardo or Mustang, has rears, that are made specifically for the street mind you, to handle all that hp and torque. So why invest all that time and effort to not put all that down to the ground?I saw one YouTube vid where the dude had a 1400 hp (claimed) Supra, he was accelerating on the street at night, and he was bragging about leaving 30 ft of rubber, that means his tires were spinning, and he wasn't putting it down, correct?
they do have tires for that...but even though they are street tires they are still purpose intent ie:street/drag-street/road course. so you are correct.

the veyron however has a lot less horsepower to the wheels than advertised due to the all wheel drive, and special tires.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 07, 2009, 04:13:48 PM

The old saying is what's the difference between a 500hp Supra and a 900hp Supra? nothing they both do 12.7 in the 1/4 lol

Supposedly a lot of Supras make a LOT of horsepower on the dyno but when push comes to shove that doesn't translate on the track .
at one point i had a 700 rwhp supra and it ran a 9.9 at 136 in the 1/4...my buddy had a 1000+ hp supra and it ran a 9.7 at 140 in the 1/4. we both had 712-740 rwtq.

so when it comes to racing a supra or anything else it all goes back to my original statement.....gotta have torque!!!

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 07, 2009, 05:57:07 PM
at one point i had a 700 rwhp supra and it ran a 9.9 at 136 in the 1/4...my buddy had a 1000+ hp supra and it ran a 9.7 at 140 in the 1/4. we both had 712-740 rwtq.

so when it comes to racing a supra or anything else it all goes back to my original statement.....gotta have torque!!!

bench
What type of turbo set up did you and him have? I'm guessing single big boy Garret? Did you stroke the engine out?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: benchmstr on December 07, 2009, 06:14:58 PM
What type of turbo set up did you and him have? I'm guessing single big boy Garret? Did you stroke the engine out?
i had a single garret 88mm turbo. i made all the piping and ported the head myself. all tuning was done by me with a FAST stand alone unit.

the engine was not strocked or anything. the enternals were replaced with forged pistons, crank, and billet rods. i sold it for cheap as hell too.

i am not sure about his car. he still has it so i will find out later.

i just recently got a 1998 supra for $2000, it is a theft salvage. they took all the speakers/radio, the entire intake system(air filter to the manifold),the exhaust, the seats, and cut most of the wires in the process. since i have the ability to cut and weld the piping i can make the intake, and exhaust. i have enough wiring components lying around to get this thing running. i also have a spare garret 96mm turbo and spearco three core intercooler. all i have to buy is a intake manifold, muffler, seat brackets (already ordered 2 sparcos) and forged pistons/crank, and billet rods.

the owner of the car gave me the fuel system he was going to use, and i personally think it will handle the kinda power i plan on making.

bench
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: americanbulldog on December 08, 2009, 12:28:23 AM

The old saying is what's the difference between a 500hp Supra and a 900hp Supra? nothing they both do 12.7 in the 1/4 lol

Supposedly a lot of Supras make a LOT of horsepower on the dyno but when push comes to shove that doesn't translate on the track .

Aint that the truth.  I've seen a lot of impressive numbers from Supras.  Not sooo much on the track. 
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: KevinP85 on December 08, 2009, 01:42:23 AM
Aint that the truth.  I've seen a lot of impressive numbers from Supras.  Not sooo much on the track. 


Ahhhh, there are a lot in the 9's, 10's, 11's, 8's, and as one poster already commented. Comes down to traction, and driver.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: KevinP85 on December 08, 2009, 01:49:47 AM
I live pretty close to RUF tuning here in Dallas, seen some very impressive cars like the RT12's, Yellowbird, GT3RS's, etc.... :o

American cars are starting to get good again, but the general perception of them has already been tarnished, most americans will NEVER buy an american car. Just take a look at what is on the streets, hondas, toyotas, hyundais, kias, nissan, etc... There are more imports then ever, that is not including the euro cars.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 08, 2009, 03:29:21 AM
I live pretty close to RUF tuning here in Dallas, seen some very impressive cars like the RT12's, Yellowbird, GT3RS's, etc.... :o

American cars are starting to get good again, but the general perception of them has already been tarnished, most americans will NEVER buy an american car. Just take a look at what is on the streets, hondas, toyotas, hyundais, kias, nissan, etc... There are more imports then ever, that is not including the euro cars.

Dayum, you must have a ball. But as far as the American cars go, did you hear of Bob Lutz's challenge. He challanged anybody with a production 4 door, showroom stock to beat the Caddy CTS-V, which has the 4 door production car record on the 'Ring. No one could beat it on the track. Including M5's, E63s, Evos, Jags.

I'm really impressed by the production CTS coupe as well, if they have a V version, I just may take a very serious look.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: noworries on December 08, 2009, 07:15:38 AM
Not many cars out there could beat my friends Porsche in looks and speed. 
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Magnus on December 08, 2009, 07:36:14 AM
Hi Keith, how are you? Your leg?
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: noworries on December 08, 2009, 07:44:41 AM
I am actually pretty good.  My leg I think might be all better.  I have had only one episode this year where my leg swelled up really bad.  The color is good and doesn't hurt at all and even has softened up.  I have had two bouts of Gout.  One was really bad in my right ankle.  But, the doctor gave me medicine and now it doesn't happen anymore. I get it when I eat pork.  So I have watch that.  Other than that I am feeling really good and business is awesome right now for me.  Still working on getting back in shape.  And I know the haters will feast on this post but I would expect nothing less.  But all in all I am doing really good.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: KevinP85 on December 08, 2009, 01:30:55 PM
Dayum, you must have a ball. But as far as the American cars go, did you hear of Bob Lutz's challenge. He challanged anybody with a production 4 door, showroom stock to beat the Caddy CTS-V, which has the 4 door production car record on the 'Ring. No one could beat it on the track. Including M5's, E63s, Evos, Jags.

I'm really impressed by the production CTS coupe as well, if they have a V version, I just may take a very serious look.


Yeah, I heard, and I agree. One of the guys at Classic BMW dealership here that I met while looking at cars had both CTS-V and the ZR-1 parked and he took me for a spin in the CTS-V. This guy also had an M5 and Gallardo as well, but anyways, the Caddy is very impressive, for what, 65-70K, build quality is exceptional, and looks, imo, is very aggressive and good. Prior to that I have only seen one at the car show.

Now if only I could have rode or driven that ZR-1, haha.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Magnus on December 09, 2009, 02:15:21 AM
I am actually pretty good.  My leg I think might be all better.  I have had only one episode this year where my leg swelled up really bad.  The color is good and doesn't hurt at all and even has softened up.  I have had two bouts of Gout.  One was really bad in my right ankle.  But, the doctor gave me medicine and now it doesn't happen anymore. I get it when I eat pork.  So I have watch that.  Other than that I am feeling really good and business is awesome right now for me.  Still working on getting back in shape.  And I know the haters will feast on this post but I would expect nothing less.  But all in all I am doing really good.

I'm happy to know that things are going well. Always loved your stories!
Take care and...don't fuck with bears!
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 09, 2009, 02:24:18 AM

Yeah, I heard, and I agree. One of the guys at Classic BMW dealership here that I met while looking at cars had both CTS-V and the ZR-1 parked and he took me for a spin in the CTS-V. This guy also had an M5 and Gallardo as well, but anyways, the Caddy is very impressive, for what, 65-70K, build quality is exceptional, and looks, imo, is very aggressive and good. Prior to that I have only seen one at the car show.

Now if only I could have rode or driven that ZR-1, haha.
Yeah. Would like to know have you seen the Gallardo 550-2 Valentino Balboni
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 09, 2009, 05:02:17 PM
Yeah. Would like to know have you seen the Gallardo 550-2 Valentino Balboni


He's a funny guy I was reading about him and one time he fliped a Countach and the only way out was booting the windshield out if I recall correctly it's not like you're opening a door


you ever see this vid?  ;D


Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 09, 2009, 05:08:08 PM
Bugatti who? 254.76mph  ;D
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: KevinP85 on December 10, 2009, 01:22:03 AM
Yeah. Would like to know have you seen the Gallardo 550-2 Valentino Balboni



Funny I went to the Audi dealership yesterday and the Lambo dealer is connected to it, (at the moment until they build a new Lambo of dallas) and there was a white and black one, side by side, then I heard one of the customers who just bought a R8 5.2 and started the engine up and I was like Oh SHIT!!! LOL!

I went to the dealer to check out a daily driver for myself possibly a A4 quattro.
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 10, 2009, 01:49:17 AM

Funny I went to the Audi dealership yesterday and the Lambo dealer is connected to it, (at the moment until they build a new Lambo of dallas) and there was a white and black one, side by side, then I heard one of the customers who just bought a R8 5.2 and started the engine up and I was like Oh SHIT!!! LOL!

I went to the dealer to check out a daily driver for myself possibly a A4 quattro.
Great, I aslo like the Audi S5 as well. One of my friends in college would go to Ferrari of Washington, DC often and he had video of a F40 and F50 being serviced, the sound of the engines was awesome. Ihave also like the Dauer Porsche 962's and one of my favorites was the Callaway C7 Corvette, that became obsolete due to rule changes in GT1
 
Title: Re: Real Muscle...69 and 68 Dodge Charger
Post by: Parker on December 10, 2009, 02:01:01 AM
Corvette C6R vs. Aston Martin DBR9 in 2006