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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: nolotil on December 16, 2009, 09:31:40 AM
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the 1997 olympia is what i call the 'nassergate' incident, this year Mr El sonbaty obviously should have won the mr o.
here is an nasser training article from 1995:
Pec Up the Pace - Build Big Pecs / Chest
To build a champion's chest, every season must be a growing season.
Contrary to what we like to believe, progress is really an evolution toward greater simplicity rather than complexity, and this has been especially evident in bodybuilding during the past few years.
Not too long ago, we were obsessed with details, with off season vs. pre contest training, with precision training regimens, with keeping computerized records so detailed that we collapsed into bed at night exhausted more from mental than physical fatigue. Lately, however, we've discovered that such detail work does more to stifle our growth than enhance it. Quite simply, by obeying all those rules, we are not giving ourselves room to stretch our physical boundaries.
I got in on the tail end of that complicated style of bodybuilding and gradually but modestly improved. As soon as I started training the way I really wanted to, however, I seemed to grow visibly by the day. It was as if I had been set free.
NO SUCH THING AS OFF-SEASON
Perhaps the best example of these liberating changes can be seen in my chest training. In the past, I never would have thought of letting my off-season training creep over into my pre-contest period by even one day. There was off-sea on and the was pre-contest, and never did the two meet.
Now, there is no such thing as off-season and pre contest chest training for me. There's only chest training, and that means lifting as heavy as I can every time I enter the gym. I train this way right up to a show. During pre-contest, the only difference I make is adding a couple more cable movements in the hope that they will accelerate my definition. Still, my philosophy is: Where there was once a season for growing and a season for getting cut, there is no only one season that lasts for 12 months, and that season is for growth. Period.
While before I carefully mapped out high-and low-repetition cycles, now I think only in terms of low reps. Those are the only ones that do any good, so summer, winter autumn, whoever, I keep my reps at six.
I don't even work my muscle-groups in a set order anymore, although I do train each body part only once a week, except for calves and abs, which I hit three times weekly. Other than that, it doesn't' matter which muscle group I trained the previous day. My training, as well as my body, is organic, I give it room to progress naturally.
CHEST COMES FIRST
Usually I find myself training chest with various other muscle groups for a number of reasons. Often, I do chest with shoulders, because these two body parts are complimentary. But for precisely the opposite reason, you will sometimes find me training chest with biceps and forearms, because they do not affect each other. Likewise, I train chest with hamstrings and calves, because neither detracts from the other. Whichever combinations I use, I always hit chest first in the workout, because it should be allocated all the power and energy I can give it.
Instead of isolating my pectorals, I do just the opposite. Building barrel-like chest mass is a function of three different muscle-groups; pectorals, deltoids and triceps. The pecs are the specific muscles I want to grow, but they cannot do so without extensively involving the delts and triceps. Therefore, my chest workout always begins with cable crossovers to warm up my pecs, dumbbell laterals to warm up my shoulders and cable pushdowns to warm up my triceps -- all for three or four sets of 15-20 reps.
These days, I'm trying to improve my upper chest, so I do incline barbell presses first in my chest routine. Nothing strict here; in fact, quite the opposite. I bring the weight down slowly, tightening as I go, then power it back to the top with a controlled explosion. My sets pyramid upward through as many as I feel necessary to get to my heaviest weight, where I then do three sets of six reps, just as I do with inclines.
Then it's back to another pushing movement, either flat dumbbell presses or dips, for three sets of eight. Often, I alternate these each workout.
For every muscle group, I like to finish with a cable movement for three sets of 15 reps. Up to this point, my entire workout has utilized heavy basic power movements, which consequently can affect my control over my chest muscles toward the end of my routine. Cables allow me to regain that control and work the muscles with continuous tension though the full range of motion.
Not only do cable movements during the off season help me maintain some level of cuts for a future contest, but they also allow me to leave the gym with the sensation of having my chest flushed with blood. I like that.
Other than that one cable movement, I prefer to face the torture of brutal training. I'm in the gym by 4:30 every morning, sometimes by 4, not because I want to, but because it tests my character. That, I think, is absolutely necessary. You can't take the easy way and be successful. You have to do more than anyone else is willing to do. You must make yourself go that extra distance.
I have no choice. I'm not so genetically gifted that I can attain success through casual effort. If I want to be exceptional, I need to push myself to be exceptional. I can take pride in myself when I do that.
Sometimes I feel as though I'm a slave to my psyche, in the sense that I'm always trying to satisfy my hunger for hard training. For instance, I always have to train heavy. If I don't -- even if I train very hard but sue moderate weights -- I feel as though I'm shrinking. In fact, I'm convinced I actually do shrink. Scientifically, it makes sense. At my degree of mass and density, the margin for hardness is more critical In other words I may lose my hardness faster than someone who is smaller.
Let's face it: a person can reach his maximum size only by using free weights, so it makes sense that if he stops using them, he will shrink back to the size he would have been without having used them.
Many bodybuilders claim it's not necessary to use free weights and train heavy; that if you do, you will hurt yourself, or at least experience pain. I think the real reason people train with machines rather than free weights is not because machines are better but because they are less painful to use.
Sorry, but I know I have to train till it hurts. If you want to be successful, you must cross the pain threshold, and free weights mean pain. No one likes pain, and I try to avoid it in my life, but only when it comes to bodybuilding.
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more nasser chest building tips:
"The secret to Nasser's chest workout? Alternating pressing exercises with flye movements, which he says is the best way to stimulate the deep muscle fibers. Still, you probably won't end up with an op-art chest like Nasser's, but you will be implementing yet another technique to pen your own pecs when you head to the gym.
"Use incline presses rather than flat-bench ones developing the upper-pec region is always harder, and most recreational bodybuilders share that flaw.
When doing dips - a seldom-used but effective way to develop chest thickness- Nasser suggests leaning forward and keeping your elbows wide, which targets the pecs more and lessens the muscular stress on the shoulders and triceps.
With a standing cable crossover, Nasser varies his hand position at the bottom of the movement. "Sometimes I do it like I'm hitting a most-muscular pose; on another set I'll do it right fist over left at about shoulder height. The important thing is to bring blood into the muscle and train the entire pectoral."
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"NasserGate", lol!
I agree he could have (or even maybe should have won) but that people still argue about it (and with valid points on both sides) says a lot about how uncertain the issue of that O edition was in reality.
And the fact is that Nasser didn't show up that fantastic that year, he was better in both '95 and '96 with less mass but better conditioning (specially from his problematic back).
But he never could have beaten a '95 Dorian....and even a '96 Dorian.
Bad timing.
He did have a good front upper body to show though.
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"NasserGate", lol!
I agree he could have (or even maybe should have won) but that people still argue about it (and with valid points on both sides) says a lot about how uncertain the issue of that O edition was in reality.
And the fact is that Nasser didn't show up that fantastic that year, he was better in both '95 and '96 with less mass but better conditioning (specially from his problematic back).
He did have a good front upper body to show though.
yes i think the nassergate incident is one of the big injustices in bodybuilding, sadly there has been many many strange decisions through the years, yes bodybuilding is subjective but alot of it has to do with politics too. in the end the fans will always cast the final verdict.
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ITS 2009 WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE 90S >:(
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nasser on bench pressing:
"When asked how much he benched (one nassers fav questions);
"... that is a popular question many ask and I must tell you I have no idea. I do many exercises with fairly heavy wts that are better for chest development than benching, which I think is overrated. If one is really interested in bench pressing power they should go to bench and power meets. To me bodybuilding is all about useing wts as tools , not see how much you can lift 1 time. While it is true that you will lift more wt as you gain size, it is not the end all goal. Getting BIG muscles is the goal."
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ITS 2009 WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE 90S >:(
i do, this is why i discuss it ;)
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i do, this is why i discuss it ;)
OK THEN ;D
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Trying to rewrite history (and Bodybuilding history for a matter of fact-I'll just let you imagine how important that is) on a internet forum day in day out.....c'mon, admit it, you need to reconsider your goals in life.
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Trying to rewrite history (and Bodybuilding history for a matter of fact-I'll just let you imagine how important that is) on a internet forum day in day out.....c'mon, admit it, you need to reconsider your goals in life.
i think you are being overdramatic, im a big nasser fan but posting on getbig doesnt effect my goals in life whatsoever ;)
also it fuels my own workouts. other people take pre workout drinks me..i save my money and drink cholocale milk and a sandwich and discuss bodybuilding for my own inspiration
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I used to like Nasser until all the "Nassholes" on the board kept posting about him non stop 10 years after the fact.
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I used to like Nasser until all the "Nassholes" on the board kept posting about him non stop 10 years after the fact.
how so? alot of bodybuilders are being discussed on this site..not only nasser. there is something for everyone :D
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You obviously have`nt been around here long enough to understand.
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Trying to rewrite history (and Bodybuilding history for a matter of fact-I'll just let you imagine how important that is) on a internet forum day in day out.....c'mon, admit it, you need to reconsider your goals in life.
So all the random-BS-non-bodybuilding posts people make day in and day out on getbig suggests their goals in life are fine, but when you start posting about Nasser on a bodybuilding forum or past contests then you need to "reconsider your goals in life" ::)
Otherwise, great thread nolotil! I remember this article, it had cool pictures in it too, I think of one of Nasser doing heavy flyes with 100+ lbs, the stack on cable crossovers, and 405 lb incline barbell presses.
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I used to like Nasser until all the "Nassholes" on the board kept posting about him non stop 10 years after the fact.
There are many topics here that are discussed lots - like the Dorian Yates camp, the Ronnie Coleman camp, even non-bodybuilding topics like Johnny Falcon starting numerous threads for years on olive oil and OJ, yet I haven't seen you complain about those?
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nasser on bench pressing:
"When asked how much he benched (one nassers fav questions);
"... that is a popular question many ask and I must tell you I have no idea. I do many exercises with fairly heavy wts that are better for chest development than benching, which I think is overrated. If one is really interested in bench pressing power they should go to bench and power meets. To me bodybuilding is all about useing wts as tools , not see how much you can lift 1 time. While it is true that you will lift more wt as you gain size, it is not the end all goal. Getting BIG muscles is the goal."
Epic 315 max hahahahahahaha.
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"NasserGate", lol!
I agree he could have (or even maybe should have won) but that people still argue about it (and with valid points on both sides) says a lot about how uncertain the issue of that O edition was in reality.
And the fact is that Nasser didn't show up that fantastic that year, he was better in both '95 and '96 with less mass but better conditioning (specially from his problematic back).
But he never could have beaten a '95 Dorian....and even a '96 Dorian.
Bad timing.
He did have a good front upper body to show though.
i agree that nasser was better in 95 and especially 96 than 97 but you are wrong to say he carried more mass in 97 than 96!!.. in 96 he was more than 280 pounds while in 97 he was 270!!..
and what about his front lowerbody? ::) his quads were clearly better than dorian's from the front and also from the side.. his hams too were bigger and more separated.. beside back dorian had him only in calves, both had great calves but imo dorian's can be considered the best calves ever!..
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yes i should have mentioned that nasser def also won in 96...he was in very good conditioned and totally blew dorian out of the water in all muscle groups except back and calves (both have great calves)
so maybe more correct to call 97 nassergate chapter 2 (or even 3)
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yes i should have mentioned that nasser def also won in 96...he was in very good conditioned and totally blew dorian out of the water in all muscle groups except back and calves (both have great calves)
so maybe more correct to call 97 nassergate chapter 2 (or even 3)
have you checked the facebook page i made about nasser? ;D
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have you checked the facebook page i made about nasser? ;D
yes, not all of it yet tho ;)..also researching old posts of team nasser on getbig!
other research object is reading posts by a charchter called gh15...i really like his posts. he knows bodybuilding inside and out. tip top knowledge
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more nasser chest building tips:
"The secret to Nasser's chest workout? Alternating pressing exercises with flye movements, which he says is the best way to stimulate the deep muscle fibers. Still, you probably won't end up with an op-art chest like Nasser's, but you will be implementing yet another technique to pen your own pecs when you head to the gym.
"Use incline presses rather than flat-bench ones developing the upper-pec region is always harder, and most recreational bodybuilders share that flaw.
When doing dips - a seldom-used but effective way to develop chest thickness- Nasser suggests leaning forward and keeping your elbows wide, which targets the pecs more and lessens the muscular stress on the shoulders and triceps.
With a standing cable crossover, Nasser varies his hand position at the bottom of the movement. "Sometimes I do it like I'm hitting a most-muscular pose; on another set I'll do it right fist over left at about shoulder height. The important thing is to bring blood into the muscle and train the entire pectoral."
Yeah I remember that article and I have done that ever since training chest. Seems like a small detail but I think it makes a difference
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ITS 2009 WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE 90S >:(
i give a shit and some pee too :-X
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There are many topics here that are discussed lots - like the Dorian Yates camp, the Ronnie Coleman camp, even non-bodybuilding topics like Johnny Falcon starting numerous threads for years on olive oil and OJ, yet I haven't seen you complain about those?
hahahhahahahahahaaaaa... also that guy disturba who makes a new thread about any tiny detail in his life, when he scratches he ass he makes a thread to let ppl know ::)
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great article from one of the best with one of the best chest developments in the history of BB
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i agree that nasser was better in 95 and especially 96 than 97 but you are wrong to say he carried more mass in 97 than 96!!.. in 96 he was more than 280 pounds while in 97 he was 270!!..
and what about his front lowerbody? ::) his quads were clearly better than dorian's from the front and also from the side.. his hams too were bigger and more separated.. beside back dorian had him only in calves, both had great calves but imo dorian's can be considered the best calves ever!..
I believe you on the weight difference between '96 and '97, you seem to know your shit. He was bigger overall than Dorian and had good detail on his quads and hams too but separation is not the only thing: as Nasser got bigger he lost a part of his conditioning mainly the density on which Dorian had him everytime. That also comes into this equation. And that translated clearly on all back poses where he actually even lost separation. And you know it, since Hany, back wins Os.
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I believe you on the weight difference between '96 and '97, you seem to know your shit. He was bigger overall than Dorian and had good detail on his quads and hams too but separation is not the only thing: as Nasser got bigger he lost a part of his conditioning mainly the density on which Dorian had him everytime. That also comes into this equation. And that translated clearly on all back poses where he actually even lost separation. And you know it, since Hany, back wins Os.
yes, but thats not right in my opinion...and should change. specially as nasser had a plenty big back. i often see that kind of argumentation, 'thats how it is'...my answer they should change how it is. if the best bodybuilder on stage isnt allowed to win then they should change the criteria, because they are flawed.
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some official nassergate music
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yes, but thats not right in my opinion...and should change. specially as nasser had a plenty big back. i often see that kind of argumentation, 'thats how it is'...my answer they should change how it is. if the best bodybuilder on stage isnt allowed to win then they should change the criteria, because they are flawed.
So you think that they should't be judged on their muscular quality but only quantity? Considering that Pro Bbers use tons of ergogenics off all sorts, it's not that hard for them to put on mass and to get ripped even. What stays as the only valid criteria of some sort of effort in fact is the muscular density which is not obtainable without a certain training intensity. So I actually think that that criterai should prevail. And that's why Yates preaviled so many times. He LIFTED weights, pushed himself to the limit and it showed at the end of the day.
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I believe you on the weight difference between '96 and '97, you seem to know your shit. He was bigger overall than Dorian and had good detail on his quads and hams too but separation is not the only thing: as Nasser got bigger he lost a part of his conditioning mainly the density on which Dorian had him everytime. That also comes into this equation. And that translated clearly on all back poses where he actually even lost separation. And you know it, since Hany, back wins Os.
yes always soft and brown ;D
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Too much information, my friend, way too much. Nasser might give you some diet advices maybe.
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nassergate 4ever in our hearts and in our minds
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Nassar=legend
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Great article from the uncrowned (3x at least) Mr. Olympia.
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How long does it take Nasser to write a book? Is he having trouble with typing?
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I believe NAsser and co author david robson have both been working very hard on the book.
there is a TONNE of material and it is, i believve, near the finsihing stages.
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Does nasser visit Titus on a regular base?
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I believe NAsser and co author david robson have both been working very hard on the book.
there is a TONNE of material and it is, i believve, near the finsihing stages.
It's been at the finishing stage for almost 3 years.
Nasser probably has a hard time focusing with one eye wobbling all over.
If he actually showed consistency he would have won more than just 6 competitions throughout his career.
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nassergate 4ever in our hearts and in our minds
yes ;D
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Nassergate!? Linking a now disgruntled BBer with one of the most egregious events in US politics!? Good work Team Nasser.
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Nassergate!? Linking a now disgruntled BBer with one of the most egregious events in US politics!? Good work Team Nasser.
Word is Yates planted mics at Nasser's place to get training infos. Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman didn't get enough conclusive evidence this time but I hear they still can't sleep at night because of this.
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great thread by an impressive new getbigger nolotil.
nolotil you have impressed me greatly since your arrival at getbig. Short though your stay has been i predict a great getbig future. You're are a thinker - i like that.
don't know about that name though ;D it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue :)
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great thread by an impressive new getbigger nolotil.
nolotil you have impressed me greatly since your arrival at getbig. Short though your stay has been i predict a great getbig future. You're are a thinker - i like that.
don't know about that name though ;D it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue :)
Give it time, FP. Give it time. I'm sure you'll be a pro in no time.
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Give it time, FP. Give it time. I'm sure you'll be a pro in no time.
i believe you that you are really bothered with nasser threads and this is why we dont see you a lot in them ::)
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i believe you that you are really bothered with nasser threads and this is why we dont see you a lot in them ::)
Have you cleaned the roof gym lately? Last I saw plates and such needed picking up. ;D
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great thread by an impressive new getbigger nolotil.
nolotil you have impressed me greatly since your arrival at getbig. Short though your stay has been i predict a great getbig future. You're are a thinker - i like that.
don't know about that name though ;D it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue :)
thank you panda ;)
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Of all the wannabe-neverwere-doesntevenmatteranymores, why would you choose Nasser upon which to hoist your homosexual desires? I mean, why not...I dunno, Tom Platz?
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The important thing to remember is Nasser is a cock
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Have you cleaned the roof gym lately? Last I saw plates and such needed picking up. ;D
seriously i am thinking to enlarge it to be 30 m2 instead of 15 m2.. your grandpa is so huge and needs more space to move in ;D
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seriously i am thinking to enlarge it to be 30 m2 instead of 15 m2.. your grandpa is so huge and needs more space to move in ;D
You going to add equipment? If so what kind?
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You going to add equipment? If so what kind?
this piece only!!.. i dont need any machines, i prefer free weights!!..
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this piece only!!.. i dont need any machines, i prefer free weights!!..
yes nasser always liked dips for both chest and triceps
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this piece only!!.. i dont need any machines, i prefer free weights!!..
Nice how much is that?
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i always thought nasshole was a bit flat in the chest relative to his huge size....
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Nice how much is that?
i know a gym owner who produces this machine in his workshop and supplys it to sports shops.. i can buy one from him at about usd 150!!..
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i know a gym owner who produces this machine in his workshop and supplys it to sports shops.. i can buy one from him at about usd 150!!..
Good price! I need one as well can you send me one? 8)
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Good price! I need one as well can you send me one? 8)
ok i will send it with your grandpa to give it to you in the christmas ;D..
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ok i will send it with your grandpa to give it to you in the christmas ;D..
:D Seriously I need to look for one here in USA...maybe Vince Goodrum can give me a good price :D...what did nasser do for abs for his main excercise? he had good abs
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Sherif,,,Milos did alot of hanging ab work seems that machine would be good for abs
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Good pics Nol
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more nasser
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:D Seriously I need to look for one here in USA...maybe Vince Goodrum can give me a good price :D...what did nasser do for abs for his main excercise? he had good abs
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Good pics Nol
thank you mr nobody. are you also a team NASSER member?
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nasser always liked roman chair sit ups also seated leg raises on a bench (often with extra weight...=small dumbbell)..but he did do cable crunches and reverse crunches too...also seen him do machine crunches so he would do alot of different exercises
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pharao of muscle
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thank you mr nobody. are you also a team NASSER member?
No not team Nasser, but he had a good physique he got ripped off a couple of times I think..
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No not team Nasser, but he had a good physique he got ripped off a couple of times I think..
def won mr olympia in 96-97 and also was robbed in grand prix a afew times
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:D Seriously I need to look for one here in USA...maybe Vince Goodrum can give me a good price :D...what did nasser do for abs for his main excercise? he had good abs
yes nasser's abs may be the best among all mass monsters.. if you have a naturally good abs you dont need to do much to have it look great, just a proper diet and normal training.. i have ''abs wheel'' in my roof gym, very strong exercise!!..
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def won mr olympia in 96-97 and also was robbed in grand prix a afew times
thx for these great shots nolo :)
yes nasser imo deserved to win the 6 GP of 1996..
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yes nasser's abs may be the best among all mass monsters.. if you have a naturally good abs you dont need to do much to have it look great, just a proper diet and normal training.. i have ''abs wheel'' in my roof gym, very strong exercise!!..
ab wheel is excellt exercise..its different type of exercise compared to crunch variation but studies have showed its maybe the best ab stimulator there is.
its a good idea to do...ab wheel+ some form of weighted crunches...+some kind of leg raise. this is perfect combination for abs.
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thx for these great shots nolo :)
yes nasser imo deserved to win the 6 GP of 1996..
thank you :)
will hopefully deliver more!
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"Upper rectus abdominis muscle normalized electromyographic (EMG) activity (mean ± SD) among exercises. MVIC=maximum voluntary isometric contraction, deg=degrees, Ab Rev=Ab Revolutionizer, Wts=weights"
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Lower rectus abdominis muscle normalized electromyographic (EMG) activity (mean ± SD) among exercises. MVIC=maximum voluntary isometric contraction, deg=degrees, Ab Rev=Ab Revolutionizer, Wts=weights.
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ab wheel is excellt exercise..its different type of exercise compared to crunch variation but studies have showed its maybe the best ab stimulator there is.
its a good idea to do...ab wheel+ some form of weighted crunches...+some kind of leg raise. this is perfect combination for abs.
actually i cant do full reps of abs wheel (from standing position), when i do it which is a very rare thing i do half reps and it's still very effective!!.. yes sure the best way is to combine both crunches and leg raises.. i sometimes also do complex sets of leg raises (any variety) + frog crunch!..
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actually i cant do full reps of abs wheel (from standing position), when i do it which is a very rare thing i do half reps and it's still very effective!!.. yes sure the best way is to combine both crunches and leg raises.. i sometimes also do complex sets of leg raises (any variety) + frog crunch!..
yes first time i did ab wheels i feel on my stomach and hard to do them kneeling ;)
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source for above graphs
http://www.physicaltherapyonline.org/cgi/content/full/86/5/656
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There are many topics here that are discussed lots - like the Dorian Yates camp, the Ronnie Coleman camp, even non-bodybuilding topics like Johnny Falcon starting numerous threads for years on olive oil and OJ, yet I haven't seen you complain about those?
big guy?
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yes nasser's abs may be the best among all mass monsters.. if you have a naturally good abs you dont need to do much to have it look great, just a proper diet and normal training.. i have ''abs wheel'' in my roof gym, very strong exercise!!..
Make sure Grandpa gets on the ab wheel, he tends to get lazy at 100 yrs old ;D
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Another Nasser fag gimmick
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Another Nasser fag gimmick
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3 Times Mr Olympia and a 3 times Mr .......... ummmmmmm
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The left arm looks a bit larger than the right ;)
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yes nasser always had very strong shoulders. and he is doing heavy db presses after a heavy chest workout.
nasser often liked to do chest+shoulders
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The left arm looks a bit larger than the right ;)
Scar tissue, bro. Scar tissue. Oh, and stop by and check out my Ebay offering. A steal at any price, I assure you.
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Scar tissue, bro. Scar tissue. Oh, and stop by and check out my Ebay offering. A steal at any price, I assure you.
ha ha ha good one :D
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the 1997 olympia is what i call the 'nassergate' incident, this year Mr El sonbaty obviously should have won the mr o.
here is an nasser training article from 1995:
Pec Up the Pace - Build Big Pecs / Chest
To build a champion's chest, every season must be a growing season.
Contrary to what we like to believe, progress is really an evolution toward greater simplicity rather than complexity, and this has been especially evident in bodybuilding during the past few years.
Not too long ago, we were obsessed with details, with off season vs. pre contest training, with precision training regimens, with keeping computerized records so detailed that we collapsed into bed at night exhausted more from mental than physical fatigue. Lately, however, we've discovered that such detail work does more to stifle our growth than enhance it. Quite simply, by obeying all those rules, we are not giving ourselves room to stretch our physical boundaries.
I got in on the tail end of that complicated style of bodybuilding and gradually but modestly improved. As soon as I started training the way I really wanted to, however, I seemed to grow visibly by the day. It was as if I had been set free.
NO SUCH THING AS OFF-SEASON
Perhaps the best example of these liberating changes can be seen in my chest training. In the past, I never would have thought of letting my off-season training creep over into my pre-contest period by even one day. There was off-sea on and the was pre-contest, and never did the two meet.
Now, there is no such thing as off-season and pre contest chest training for me. There's only chest training, and that means lifting as heavy as I can every time I enter the gym. I train this way right up to a show. During pre-contest, the only difference I make is adding a couple more cable movements in the hope that they will accelerate my definition. Still, my philosophy is: Where there was once a season for growing and a season for getting cut, there is no only one season that lasts for 12 months, and that season is for growth. Period.
While before I carefully mapped out high-and low-repetition cycles, now I think only in terms of low reps. Those are the only ones that do any good, so summer, winter autumn, whoever, I keep my reps at six.
I don't even work my muscle-groups in a set order anymore, although I do train each body part only once a week, except for calves and abs, which I hit three times weekly. Other than that, it doesn't' matter which muscle group I trained the previous day. My training, as well as my body, is organic, I give it room to progress naturally.
CHEST COMES FIRST
Usually I find myself training chest with various other muscle groups for a number of reasons. Often, I do chest with shoulders, because these two body parts are complimentary. But for precisely the opposite reason, you will sometimes find me training chest with biceps and forearms, because they do not affect each other. Likewise, I train chest with hamstrings and calves, because neither detracts from the other. Whichever combinations I use, I always hit chest first in the workout, because it should be allocated all the power and energy I can give it.
Instead of isolating my pectorals, I do just the opposite. Building barrel-like chest mass is a function of three different muscle-groups; pectorals, deltoids and triceps. The pecs are the specific muscles I want to grow, but they cannot do so without extensively involving the delts and triceps. Therefore, my chest workout always begins with cable crossovers to warm up my pecs, dumbbell laterals to warm up my shoulders and cable pushdowns to warm up my triceps -- all for three or four sets of 15-20 reps.
These days, I'm trying to improve my upper chest, so I do incline barbell presses first in my chest routine. Nothing strict here; in fact, quite the opposite. I bring the weight down slowly, tightening as I go, then power it back to the top with a controlled explosion. My sets pyramid upward through as many as I feel necessary to get to my heaviest weight, where I then do three sets of six reps, just as I do with inclines.
Then it's back to another pushing movement, either flat dumbbell presses or dips, for three sets of eight. Often, I alternate these each workout.
For every muscle group, I like to finish with a cable movement for three sets of 15 reps. Up to this point, my entire workout has utilized heavy basic power movements, which consequently can affect my control over my chest muscles toward the end of my routine. Cables allow me to regain that control and work the muscles with continuous tension though the full range of motion.
Not only do cable movements during the off season help me maintain some level of cuts for a future contest, but they also allow me to leave the gym with the sensation of having my chest flushed with blood. I like that.
Other than that one cable movement, I prefer to face the torture of brutal training. I'm in the gym by 4:30 every morning, sometimes by 4, not because I want to, but because it tests my character. That, I think, is absolutely necessary. You can't take the easy way and be successful. You have to do more than anyone else is willing to do. You must make yourself go that extra distance.
I have no choice. I'm not so genetically gifted that I can attain success through casual effort. If I want to be exceptional, I need to push myself to be exceptional. I can take pride in myself when I do that.
Sometimes I feel as though I'm a slave to my psyche, in the sense that I'm always trying to satisfy my hunger for hard training. For instance, I always have to train heavy. If I don't -- even if I train very hard but sue moderate weights -- I feel as though I'm shrinking. In fact, I'm convinced I actually do shrink. Scientifically, it makes sense. At my degree of mass and density, the margin for hardness is more critical In other words I may lose my hardness faster than someone who is smaller.
Let's face it: a person can reach his maximum size only by using free weights, so it makes sense that if he stops using them, he will shrink back to the size he would have been without having used them.
Many bodybuilders claim it's not necessary to use free weights and train heavy; that if you do, you will hurt yourself, or at least experience pain. I think the real reason people train with machines rather than free weights is not because machines are better but because they are less painful to use.
Sorry, but I know I have to train till it hurts. If you want to be successful, you must cross the pain threshold, and free weights mean pain. No one likes pain, and I try to avoid it in my life, but only when it comes to bodybuilding.
You're averaging 27 posts/day NEWB. What are you trying to prove???
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yes first time i did ab wheels i feel on my stomach and hard to do them kneeling ;)
With ab wheel, on the last rep it feels like your abs are gonna rip apart. :o Effective? No shit. ;D
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With ab wheel, on the last rep it feels like your abs are gonna rip apart. :o Effective? No shit. ;D
yes first time i did them , it was an humbling experience. but very good exercise..you can also use a bar and roll on the floor. very good exercise
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You're averaging 27 posts/day NEWB. What are you trying to prove???
prove? nothing, just discuss bodybuilding. ;D
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prove? nothing, just discuss bodybuilding. ;D
OPS you have come here to discuss bb only!!.. you are in the wrong place my friend!.. this place is full of gays and assholes who like to discuss any shit but not bb ::)
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What a Son of A Baty !
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Corrected for accuracy ;D
this place is infiltrated by of gays and assholes like shitty Sha-labia who are here to cry about nassers misfortunes not bb ::)
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Nolotil = greatest new poster on getbig. 8)
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Nolotil = greatest new poster on getbig. 8)
X2.. 8)
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You're averaging 27 posts/day NEWB. What are you trying to prove???
Just making sure he has accumulated enough posts before beginning the nasser posts. He even staged a mini argument with a 'teamster" just to show they don't agree on all issues ;D
After all you need someone "new" ;D to restart the anti yates/racist judges/multiple excuse lines along with the usual nasser spam. :D
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sorry nolotil since you are a nasser fan your shoes must step from time to time on that piece of shit known as tyr ::).. i know it's a disgusting thing but you have to deal with it!!..
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Corrected for accuracy
sorry "nolotil" since you are a nasser gimmick - your shoes must step from time to time alongside that Egyptian shitty sha-labia. i know it's a disgusting thing . no one can stand his pathetic whining!!..
Ha ha ha
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thank you guys ;)
tyr; im not a nasser gimmick,, just a big fan of nasser and he has inspired my training thru the years. my saying is this: motivation has to come from within you, inspiration can come from outside.
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thank you guys ;)
tyr; im not a nasser gimmick,, just a big fan of nasser and he has inspired my training thru the years. my saying is this: motivation has to come from within you, inspiration can come from outside.
Of course he did ;)
I'll bet your cousin (or was it uncle) abdul basit has even trained with nasser. It helps to build a background story
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thank you guys ;)
tyr; im not a nasser gimmick,, just a big fan of nasser and he has inspired my training thru the years. my saying is this: motivation has to come from within you, inspiration can come from outside.
Sure. Wait'll Fatpanda gives you your initiatory Team Nasser rimjob and you'll posting like a regular gimmick champ.
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It seems the first training session with Nasser starts with the following: "Bend over, relax your sphincter, breath deeply,...."
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Of course he did ;)
I'll bet your cousin (or was it uncle) abdul basit has even trained with nasser. It helps to build a background story
yeah my uncle is into bodybuilding but has never worked out with nasser. so do you ever make any positive posts or just negative? :)
i can see from the above posts some people dont like team nasser. which just inspires me to post more information from the Nasser Chronicles. ;D
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Nolotil = greatest new poster on getbig. 8)
x3
chimps is jealous of your overwhelmingly outstanding introduction to getbig :P
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''I'm gonna set straight this watergate"
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Funny how some people believe nolotil is a gimmick even though probably only 10% of his posts are about Nasser. They find it that hard to believe that the most popular bodybuilder in the mid-to-late 90's (according to Flex mag he was the fan fav from I believe 96 to 99) will have several supporting posters including some new ones from time to time.
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maybe, but his support here has definitely dwindled. What are planning on doing about it?
What's your stategy bigbobs?
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maybe, but his support here has definitely dwindled. What are planning on doing about it?
What's your stategy bigbobs?
There is no "strategy." This is just a messageboard. I post here when I want, sometimes for fun other times in serious discussions. Same with Sherief and others.
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There is no "strategy." This is just a messageboard. I post here when I want, sometimes for fun other times in serious discussions. Same with Sherief and others.
shh dont tell him about the High Council of Team Nasser (HCOTN) ;D
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shh dont tell him about the High Council of Team Nasser (HCOTN) ;D
LOL, or the MMA thread where we disagreed a while back simply to try to make it appear that we don't know each other ::)
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There is no "strategy." This is just a messageboard. I post here when I want, sometimes for fun other times in serious discussions. Same with Sherief and others.
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Some humorous words emailed two years ago suggests that nowdays there is a "strategy" ::) Nolotil and Sherief weren't even around back then.
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Some humorous words emailed two years ago suggests that nowdays there is a "strategy" ::) Nolotil and Sherief weren't even around back then.
Humorous is right , Nolotil was around back then under his other account ;) he's averaging 24 posts a day I know of only one other guy who did that and ironically he was a Nasser guy too
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hahah, "we have to change our tactics and strategy now"
At least admit it bigbobs, you have a strategy either of your own making or it is Nasser's.
Honestly I think you should step down, and let another Nasser fan give it a try. Under your watch Nasser's popularity has dwindled.
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Humorous is right , Nolotil was around back then under his other account ;) he's averaging 24 posts a day I know of only one other guy who did that and ironically he was a Nasser guy too
like i said before i do not have gimmick accounts and i havent posted here before so you are wrong :).
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like i said before i do not have gimmick accounts and i havent posted here before so you are wrong :).
Maybe ..wouldn't be the first time I was wrong or last , then again maybe not.
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Humorous is right , Nolotil was around back then under his other account ;) he's averaging 24 posts a day I know of only one other guy who did that and ironically he was a Nasser guy too
And who was that? Honest question, I want to hear this. ;D Also, are nolotil's other approx. 90% non-Nasser related posts on similar topics as this other guy you have in mind and do they even have similar posting style?
No offence, but didn't you also hypothesize that Sherief was a gimmick even though he's the last account that screams gimmick? So your gimmick theories dont exactly hold much weight.
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hahah, "we have to change our tactics and strategy now"
At least admit it bigbobs, you have a strategy either of your own making or it is Nasser's.
Honestly I think you should step down, and let another Nasser fan give it a try. Under your watch Nasser's popularity has dwindled.
Give another fan a try at what? Am I stopping anyone from making certain posts? No. Like I said, I post when I want (usually weekdays and not so often on weekends) and usually for fun and sometimes in serious discussions.
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And who was that? Honest question, I want to hear this. ;D Also, are nolotil's other approx. 90% non-Nasser related posts on similar topics as this other guy you have in mind and do they even have similar posting style?
No offence, but didn't you also hypothesize that Sherief was a gimmick even though he's the last account that screams gimmick? So your gimmick theories dont exactly hold much weight.
He has one thing going for him , Nasser isn't the only thing he posts about , the rest of Team Nasser should follow suit
And it's not like you didn't have a gimmick ::) And Sharma wasn't a gimmick ::)
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Maybe ..wouldn't be the first time I was wrong or last , then again maybe not.
im not lying, but obviously if you dont wanna believe me then there is nothing i can do. ;)
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He has one thing going for him , Nasser isn't the only thing he posts about , the rest of Team Nasser should follow suit
And it's not like you didn't have a gimmick ::) And Sharma wasn't a gimmick ::)
I do like to post on non-Nasser topics too but every time I log on there are usually so many new Nasser-threads (often created by others, sometimes you) that I get involved in those. Rarely do I actually start Nasser threads.
I used a second account for a short period only because a few guys were spamming my personal info on the board every time I posted with bigbobs, if they didn't stoop to that level I would have never used another account. This is much different than creating more than one account just for the purpose of pushing one's agenda which some others on the board do, not me.
Anyway I think you're trying to suggest that nolotil is Squadfather which is a very laughable "accusation" just like your previous one that Shereif is a gimmick.
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im not lying, but obviously if you dont wanna believe me then there is nothing i can do. ;)
I don't care that much because in the end you're just another guy trying to rewrite bodybuilding history ;)
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Give another fan a try at what? Am I stopping anyone from making certain posts? No. Like I said, I post when I want (usually weekdays and not so often on weekends) and usually for fun and sometimes in serious discussions.
well obvioulsy Nasser encourages your posting here to keep him current at getbig, which by Blockheads reports, is still the most visited bodybuilding board in the industry. He has a book coming out and he wants to keep his name current. He has either asked you or you have taken it upon yourself to be the point person to do this for him.
I am suggesting someone else do it, because although you have managed to keep a thread about him on the first page for many months now, it has not necessarily increased his popularity.
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well obvioulsy Nasser encourages your posting here to keep him current at getbig, which by Blockheads reports, is still the most visited bodybuilding board in the industry. He has a book coming out and he wants to keep his name current. He has either asked you or you have taken it upon yourself to be the point person to do this for him.
I am suggesting someone else do it, because although you have managed to keep a thread about him on the first page for many months now, it has not necessarily increased his popularity.
Keep making up conspiracy theories. Nasser wouldn't care even if I stopped posting here completely.
If there really was a conscious effort to keep people talking about Nasser it would simply take a request on his facebook page to get people to join here and even if 1% of the members joined that would be 16 new accounts.
Also if this were the case why dont I and others post on other forums too, especially ones that are not so negative?
Like I said, I just post when I want, so do the others. There's no agenda. As nolotil said if you dont want to believe me that's up to you.
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Keep making up conspiracy theories. Nasser wouldn't care even if I stopped posting here completely.
If there really was a conscious effort to keep people talking about Nasser it would simply take a request on his facebook page to get people to join here and even if 1% of the members joined that would be 16 new accounts.
Also if this were the case why dont I and others post on other forums too, especially ones that are not so negative?
Like I said, I just post when I want, so do the others. There's no agenda. As nolotil said if you dont want to believe me that's up to you.
I never said conspiracy, I said strategy and I stand by it.
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Keep making up conspiracy theories. Nasser wouldn't care even if I stopped posting here completely.
If there really was a conscious effort to keep people talking about Nasser it would simply take a request on his facebook page to get people to join here and even if 1% of the members joined that would be 16 new accounts.
Also if this were the case why dont I and others post on other forums too, especially ones that are not so negative?
Like I said, I just post when I want, so do the others. There's no agenda. As nolotil said if you dont want to believe me that's up to you.
No agenda , my ass
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I never said conspiracy, I said strategy and I stand by it.
That is the conspiracy theory ;)
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No agenda , my ass
Keep clinging to a two year old message and ignoring the other examples I gave as to what we would be doing if there really was an "agenda" ::)
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That is the conspiracy theory ;)
:)
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If there really was a conscious effort to keep people talking about Nasser it would simply take a request on his facebook page to get people to join here and even if 1% of the members joined that would be 16 new accounts.
Monday December 21, 2009 = gayness on the internet reaches an all-time high.
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I don't care that much because in the end you're just another guy trying to rewrite bodybuilding history ;)
you care enough to post about it ;)
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you care enough to post about it ;)
Which doesn't say much ;)
I do enjoy correcting Team Nasser they just give me so many opportunities
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Which doesn't say much ;)
I do enjoy correcting Team Nasser they just give me so many opportunities
im happy you are enjoying yourself. I think its a good bodybuilding board, very different from other bodybuilding forums. lots of cool old threads i love reading, been almost laughing non stop since i joined ;D
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im happy you are enjoying yourself. I think its a good bodybuilding board, very different from other bodybuilding forums. lots of cool old threads i love reading, been almost laughing non stop since i joined ;D
To bad most of the laughing is directed at you Nasser. :D
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To bad most of the laughing is directed at you Nasser. :D
im not nasser. further, nasser selling stuff on his site is called capitalism. if someone wants to buy..why not sell it. its only clothes. ;)
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im happy you are enjoying yourself. I think its a good bodybuilding board, very different from other bodybuilding forums. lots of cool old threads i love reading, been almost laughing non stop since i joined ;D
Wow how do you find time to read old threads when you're averaging almost 26 posts a day?
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Wow how do you find time to read old threads when you're averaging almost 26 posts a day?
maybe i type fast..or read fast or maybe both ;D
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maybe i type fast..or read fast or maybe both ;D
Touche'
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nasser pics
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Nasshole pays you undies to post on getbig about great he is.
what an awesome life you have.
Keep making up conspiracy theories. Nasser wouldn't care even if I stopped posting here completely.
If there really was a conscious effort to keep people talking about Nasser it would simply take a request on his facebook page to get people to join here and even if 1% of the members joined that would be 16 new accounts.
Also if this were the case why dont I and others post on other forums too, especially ones that are not so negative?
Like I said, I just post when I want, so do the others. There's no agenda. As nolotil said if you dont want to believe me that's up to you.
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what is JT Barnum who said there is no such thing as bad publicity?
Nasser obviously still gets alot of interest - whether from fans or haters.
either way it can only mean more publicity, and if one was releasing a book then any publicity is a good thing imo!
face it, the roach /loser/pumpkin heads/wannabe's hating on Nasser just add fuel to the fire ;D
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Whether it's Arnold, Franco or Nasser, the all-time TOP bodybuilders of the world will continue to have a fan base.
Just imagine what BB would be without these Champions (http://hugenasser.com)...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=311166.0;attach=352251;image)
Insane MM pose!
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Reminds of the time when "team" nasser was denying that nasser even read the board - until that secret Pm emerged.
Then there were the periods that they spent denying nasser sold his worn thongs - that little denial was broken down as well.
Clearly nasser is having bobs run his little wargames on getbig. Bobs doesn't want to spam the board with nasser after his true identity got exposed so he relied on sharma - shalabia to do all the incendiary posting.
Looks like "nogotil" will be used to spam more pics on behalf of bobs+nasser.
Entertainment for all :D
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Humorous is right , Nolotil was around back then under his other account ;) he's averaging 24 posts a day I know of only one other guy who did that and ironically he was a Nasser guy too
funny to hear this from mr. +30000 posts, more than 75% of them are pure argument with hulkster to defend dorian against ronnie ::)
let's say it takes in average one minute with ND to write a post (sure some take less and some take more) and let's assume that 75% of his posts are about dorian vs. ronnie (i am sure it's more than 75%) so the guy spent more than 15 whole days arguing to defend dorian against ronnie ::).. oh ya but you have to believe him when he tells you he is not obsessed with dorian :-X
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i believe there needs to be a thread regarding team Nasser in which any person/people with real and legitimate questions/problems can ask/tell us and we can answer them.
it should not consist of baseless attacks of any kind.
everyone that complains about team Nasser must have a real reason to complain.
this would be their opportunity to get things off their chest.
i believe this is needed as many here seem to have issues with individuals rather than Nasser or the team as a whole.
what do you all think ?
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funny to hear this from mr. +30000 posts, more than 75% of them are pure argument with hulkster to defend dorian against ronnie ::)
let's say it takes in average one minute with ND to write a post (sure some take less and some take more) and let's assume that 75% of his posts are about dorian vs. ronnie (i am sure it's more than 75%) so the guy spent more than 15 whole days arguing to defend dorian against ronnie ::).. oh ya but you have to believe him when he tells you he is not obsessed with dorian :-X
We like to fluff up that number don't we? I said about 50% are spent correcting Hulkster 25% are spent correcting team Nasser and the other 25% are posts about bodybuilding
And again when I post emails from Dorian , when I tell you I just got off the phone with Dorian , when I tell you I bought Dorian's used posing trunks and I bought Dorian's supplements , and when I spent time with Dorian , and I have a Facebook account dedicated to Dorian then you could say I'm obsessed with Dorian until then keep falling flat on your face like your funny pics ;)
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Nasser's 32 foot yacht
(http://www.bsac14.org.uk/photo/gen_int/yacht38don.jpg)
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Nasser's 32 foot yacht
(http://www.bsac14.org.uk/photo/gen_int/yacht38don.jpg)
lmfao that's Team Nasser's powering it
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We like to fluff up that number don't we? I said about 50% are spent correcting Hulkster 25% are spent correcting team Nasser and the other 25% are posts about bodybuilding
And again when I post emails from Dorian , when I tell you I just got off the phone with Dorian , when I tell you I bought Dorian's used posing trunks and I bought Dorian's supplements , and when I spent time with Dorian , and I have a Facebook account dedicated to Dorian then you could say I'm obsessed with Dorian until then keep falling flat on your face like your funny pics ;)
no way your arguments with team nasser are 7500 posts!!.. not even close to this number..
let me break it down again, 75% arguing with hulkster, 5% (at most) arguing with team nasser, then 20% arguing with someone else ::) good for you :-\
what is wrong with my funny pics??. you yourself liked some of them before ;D
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no way your arguments with team nasser are 7500 posts!!.. not even close to this number..
let me break it down again, 75% arguing with hulkster, 5% (at most) arguing with team nasser, then 20% arguing with someone else ::) good for you :-\
what is wrong with my funny pics??. you yourself liked some of them before ;D
They're not funny - they're stupid...just like you. :D
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wake up shaaly-shabibi......you're on step behind the actual topic of converstation......
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They're not funny - they're stupid...just like you. :D
but you have to admit that some of them were really funny and REAL :-X
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but you have to admit that some of them were really funny and REAL :-X
There was one funny with Dorian as Nassers office boy, u still got that?
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There was one funny with Dorian as Nassers office boy, u still got that?
sure man you will find all of them on the facebook page i made about nasser ;D
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sure man you will find all of them on the facebook page i made about nasser ;D
Link?
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Link?
You have to admit that Team Nasser is a fiercely loyal bunch and stick together like no other. Nasser fan or not, when push comes to suicide bombings I'd definitely want those guys on my side.
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Link?
sure:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Nasser-El-Sonbaty/48163666888?ref=ts
you will find them in an album called ''nasser plays with dorian'' ;D