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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: gmflex on January 18, 2010, 08:40:54 PM
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Strikeforce President Scott Coker recently put the MMA world on notice:
Fedor Emelianenko will return for his sophomore Strikeforce effort in April on their “Saturday Night Fights” primetime extravaganza on CBS.
His opponent with be exiled UFC fighter Fabrico Werdum. Werdum made his Strikeforce debut on the same fight card as Fedor, his antagonist on that November evening was the hard-hitting Antonio “Bigfoot” Siva.
Werdum’s showing was impressive in that he would go on to neutralize the acerbic striking of Silva and pull off the decision win. But it certainly wasn’t the kind of act which left anyone believing he can upend the greatest mixed martial artist of all time.
Since most fans will scoff at the suggestion that Werdum is a threat to Fedor’s supremacy,what interesting speculation can we attach to this fight?
How about the notion that Fedor Emelianenko can submit Fabrico Werdum.
To fully digest the statement, you have to appreciate the grappling prowess of both fighters.
Sixteen of Fedor’s thirty-one wins have come via submission. One only has to experience his fight with Kevin Randleman to gain an appreciation for this stoic Russian’s technique.
Werdum is no slouch on the ground himself; the Brazilian is a two-time Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion, a two-time ADCC world heavyweight champion and European Jiu-Jitsu champion.
It is safe to assume that if either of these two got into a street fight, their victim would be going home with their limb seperated from the rest of his body. Fedor might just put a hole in their face if he didn’t feel like dirtying up his favorite sweater (pictured above).
Back to the question at hand, could the baddest man on the planet do what no MMA fighter has done thus far and submit Fabrico Werdum?
Let’s go back in time and look for any incriminating evidence.
Exhibit A: Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira—only the second greatest MMA heavyweight in the sport next to you know who,also one of the greatest BJJ artists to boot.
Both Fedor and Fabrico locked horns with the legend; Fedor twice, with all three fights taking place under the PRIDE banner (Fedor actually fought Nogueira three times, but one ended in a no contest—accidental head butt). All three of those fights also ended in a no decision, with no man able to sink in a submission.
It is worth pointing out that Nogueira was in his prime when Fedor took him on; also Nogueira has not been submitted in 39 MMA fights. Werdum is up to 18 fights without a submission, it is unknown whether or not he is in his prime.
Exhibit B: Werdum’s BJJ — Werdum’s MMA resume is littered with submission victories but two jump out. His Arm Triangle Choke over Aleksander Emelianenko, Fedor’s brother, and his Kimura over current Strikeforce Champion Alistair Overeem.
Aleksander is a very good MMA fighter is his own right, with his only other submission loss coming to Josh Barnett and Overeem has only been submitted once in his 43 fight career, the Kimura loss to Werdum.
While this shows off Werdum’s BJJ offense more then his defense, it nonetheless shows off his superb skill set. If Fedor is to submit Werdum, it won't be early. It will have to be after battering him, since every punch to the face drops your belt level down a peg.
Exhibit C: Game plan— Beyond looking at past fights, from the game plan perspective, it is unlikely Fedor will want to engage Werdum in a grappling match. It is much more likely he will want to keep the fight standing and look for the dramatic knockout.
It would seem the only way this fight even finds its way to the ground, is if Werdum somehow pulls guard or Fedor floors his opponent with a strike, decides to be adventurous, and goes for the mount.
So while Fedor submitting Werdum is unlikely, it is something worth pondering to keep your interest levels elevated;or even more far-fetched, could Werdum submit Fedor?
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I will admit Werdum is improving his MMA game.
Is anyone really excited for this fight???
Either way, good for Fedor. He has one more UFC reject to add to his padded record.
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Werdum is as legit an opponent as anyone the UFC can offer Fedor except for Brock.
He beat Gonzaga, he beat Silva, he has fights against guys like Dos Santos and Arlovski-- he has a world class ground game and a legit track record.
Do I think he will win? No.
Will I watch anyway? Yes.
All this is leading to is a showdown between Fedor and Overeem sometime during the summer.
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Werdum is as legit an opponent as anyone the UFC can offer Fedor except for Brock.
He beat Gonzaga, he beat Silva, he has fights against guys like Dos Santos and Arlovski-- he has a world class ground game and a legit track record.
Do I think he will win? No.
Will I watch anyway? Yes.
All this is leading to is a showdown between Fedor and Overeem sometime during the summer.
Overeem and Feor would be a decent fight. The UFC has multiple people that would be a 'more exciting' and 'intriguing' match-up.
Not trying to start a war...but this is exactly why Fedor needs to get to the UFC. He deserves better than Werdum.
Not saying the UFC necessarily has better talent, but a lot more entertaining match-ups.
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I will admit Werdum is improving his MMA game.
Is anyone really excited for this fight???
Either way, good for Fedor. He has one more UFC reject to add to his padded record.
Verdum is yet one more can for Fedor. You're right, he is a UFC reject...
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Fedor fans please enlighten me...how does this fight defend his #1 status?
How does this record deserve a title shot against "the #1HW in the world."
Here are his recent Fights. He even lost to Dos Santos and Arvloski. The only win on here that is decent is Gonzaga. Who by the
way got demolished by Couture.
Win Antonio Silva Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 3 5:00
Win Mike Kyle Submission (Guillotine Choke) Strikeforce - Carano vs. Cyborg 8/15/2009 1 1:24
Loss Junior dos Santos TKO (Punches) UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote 10/25/2008 1 1:21
Win Brandon Vera TKO (Punches) UFC 85 - Bedlam 6/7/2008 1 4:40
Win Gabriel Gonzaga TKO (Punches) UFC 80 - Rapid Fire 1/19/2008 2 4:34
Loss Andrei Arlovski Decision (Unanimous) UFC 70 - Nations Collide 4/21/2007 3 5:00
Win Aleksander Emelianenko Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke) 2H2H - Pride & Honor 11/12/2006 1 3:24
Loss Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Critical Countdown Absolute 7/1/2006 3 5:00
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Fedor fans please enlighten me...how does this fight defend his #1 status?
How does this record deserve a title shot against "the #1HW in the world."
Here are his recent Fights. He even lost to Dos Santos and Arvloski. The only win on here that is decent is Gonzaga. Who by the
way got demolished by Couture.
Win Antonio Silva Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 3 5:00
Win Mike Kyle Submission (Guillotine Choke) Strikeforce - Carano vs. Cyborg 8/15/2009 1 1:24
Loss Junior dos Santos TKO (Punches) UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote 10/25/2008 1 1:21
Win Brandon Vera TKO (Punches) UFC 85 - Bedlam 6/7/2008 1 4:40
Win Gabriel Gonzaga TKO (Punches) UFC 80 - Rapid Fire 1/19/2008 2 4:34
Loss Andrei Arlovski Decision (Unanimous) UFC 70 - Nations Collide 4/21/2007 3 5:00
Win Aleksander Emelianenko Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke) 2H2H - Pride & Honor 11/12/2006 1 3:24
Loss Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Critical Countdown Absolute 7/1/2006 3 5:00
lol. they're silence is deafening :D
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It's not meant to defend his number one status you dolt-- It's a build up for a showdown with Overeem, StrikeForces HW champion, which will occur during the summer.
He has victories over Gonzaga, Vera, Silva, Fedors brother and the three losses you posted there are to Dos Santos, Arlovski and Nogueirra when he was in pride.
Who in the UFC outside of Brock Lesnar deserves more of a shot or has a dramatically more impressive resume than this guy?
Nog-- Who Fedor has beaten twice and probably nobody else. Oh wait, the invincible Frank Mir should also recieve a shot-- actually, Fedor would be lucky just to have a shot against him ::)
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It's not meant to defend his number one status you dolt-- It's a build up for a showdown with Overeem, StrikeForces HW champion, which will occur during the summer.
He has victories over Gonzaga, Vera, Silva, Fedors brother and the three losses you posted there are to Dos Santos, Arlovski and Nogueirra when he was in pride.
Who in the UFC outside of Brock Lesnar deserves more of a shot or has a dramatically more impressive resume than this guy?
Nog-- Who Fedor has beaten twice and probably nobody else. Oh wait, the invincible Frank Mir should also recieve a shot-- actually, Fedor would be lucky just to have a shot against him ::)
To be honest with you....most of the UFC's HW division would be better suited than Werdum. Not a UFC guy, I just want exciting fights! Werdum does not fit the bill. I also want to see Fedor fight top talent to maintain his #1 status.
Again, Werdum does not fit the bill.
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To be honest with you....most of the UFC's HW division would be better suited than Werdum. Not a UFC guy, I just want exciting fights! Werdum does not fit the bill. I also want to see Fedor fight top talent to maintain his #1 status.
Again, Werdum does not fit the bill.
Once again you're proving that you are indeed a UFC guy and that you have no idea what you're talking about. If I didn't know any better I would say that you're a Mindspin gimmick.
The UFC HW division is beyond awful right now. It's an embarrassment. The best HW competition currently resides outside the UFC. ;)
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Once again you're proving that you are indeed a UFC guy and that you have no idea what you're talking about. If I didn't know any better I would say that you're a Mindspin gimmick.
The UFC HW division is beyond awful right now. It's an embarrassment. The best HW competition currently resides outside the UFC. ;)
So tell me what is wrong if I am a 'UFC guy'? I do think they have the best org. What's wrong with that?
I am not arguing orgs anyways. I watch them all.
I am just proving once again...Fedor is not defending his #1 status or fighting the best.
One thing we can agree on, Werdum is NOT the next best challenger, now who exactly IS we can debate about :)
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According to your logic weightpshr, bj penn, gsp, and anderson silva should leave the ufc. None of their fights recently have "proven" their number one status. The opponents they have faced recently don't belong in the ring with them.
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According to your logic weightpshr, bj penn, gsp, and anderson silva should leave the ufc. None of their fights recently have "proven" their number one status. The opponents they have faced recently don't belong in the ring with them.
BJ, GSP and Silva have been fighting TOP guys. They are proving how good they are continually with fighting contenders that have
earned their shot. Although blowouts, they are still fighting TOP contenders.
Don't be silly and tell me that Werdum has earned his shot at the "#1" HW in the world.
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According to your logic weightpshr, bj penn, gsp, and anderson silva should leave the ufc. None of their fights recently have "proven" their number one status. The opponents they have faced recently don't belong in the ring with them.
What nonsense is this? All three guys have cleaned out their divisions. I can name 3-4 top heavyweights that Fedor is avoiding by refusing to fight in the UFC. Please name 1-2 top fighters that either BJ, GSP or Andersen are avoiding by fighting in the UFC?
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gotta love the ufc nuthuggers..
The UFC does not have the Best Heavyweights
;D
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gotta love the ufc nuthuggers..
The UFC does not have the Best Heavyweights
;D
Doesn't matter who has the best. That is all opinion.
FACT is that Werdum vs Fedor is a joke.
Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?
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i want too see fedor overeem over any other fight brock included
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Doesn't matter who has the best. That is all opinion.
FACT is that Werdum vs Fedor is a joke.
Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?
I think this is a good fight & Werdum matches up well with Fedor.
I know Fedor will win by decision. Wanna sig bet?
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I think this is a good fight & Werdum matches up well with Fedor.
I know Fedor will win by decision. Wanna sig bet?
Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?
Do you think that Werdum is a real contender that is testing Fedor's #1 status?
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Werdum is not even ranked in the top ten by the MMA Concensus Ranking which complies rankings by all organizations. The top 5, excluding Fedor are all in the UFC. The only non-UFC fighters in the top ten are Barnett (7), Rogers (9) and Overeem (10). I don't see Barnett or Overeem happening anytime soon, as both are having steroid issues. He already beat Rogers. All that is left is in the UFC...
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Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?
Do you think that Werdum is a real contender that is testing Fedor's #1 status?
He lossed to Nog by decision (watch the fight he put on a good bout with a seasoned guy in his prime)
He lossed to Arvk (heavyweight champ currently) in his first debut fight coming from pride. Oh and loss by decision.
He lossed to Dos by a lucky punch (he got caught, everyone gets caught) Plus he tried tio bluk up for that fight & it hurt him.
So by that he has only lossed one fight by his opponent, not the judges.
By that and watch him fight I say he's a great match-up.
Have you seen his fights?
He's not an exciting fighter I know but he is very sound.
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He lossed to Nog by decision (watch the fight he put on a good bout with a seasoned guy in his prime)
He lossed to Arvk (heavyweight champ currently) in his first debut fight coming from pride. Oh and loss by decision.
He lossed to Dos by a lucky punch (he got caught, everyone gets caught) Plus he tried tio bluk up for that fight & it hurt him.
So by that he has only lossed one fight by his opponent, not the judges.
By that and watch him fight I say he's a great match-up.
Have you seen his fights?
He's not an exciting fighter I know but he is very sound.
So why do you think Werdum is not currently in the top 10 then?
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Werdum is not even ranked in the top ten by the MMA Concensus Ranking which complies rankings by all organizations. The top 5, excluding Fedor are all in the UFC. The only non-UFC fighters in the top ten are Barnett (7), Rogers (9) and Overeem (10). I don't see Barnett or Overeem happening anytime soon, as both are having steroid issues. He already beat Rogers. All that is left is in the UFC...
Dude be reasonable. I could look @ 20 different MMA sites and each one has a different top 10/15 listed.
Oh and your "MMA consensus ranking" blurb" is B.S.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings)
Jesus dude do you think that none but you on GetBig has access to the web?
Your point is as worthless as the T.P. I used to wipe my ass.
As a business owner I expect a little more attention to detail in spelling also.
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So why do you think Werdum is not currently in the top 10 then?
Are you that blind to how MMA is viewed/ranked?
Hes 11th (so what) which can change month to month depending who gets beat.
Ask the fighters to rank the current top 10 for each division in the world and then do a ranking of submited info & you will see a true top 10 ranking.
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Are you that blind to how MMA is viewed/ranked?
Hes 11th (so what) which can change month to month depending who gets beat.
Ask the fighters to rank the current top 10 for each division in the world and then do a ranking of submited info & you will see a true top 10 ranking.
Do you think that someone that is not on ANYONE'S top 5 HW list should be fighting against the "#1 in the world?"
Hopefully Werdum does knock Fedor out....Then we can finally have someone at #1 that isn't afraid to fight the best.
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Do you think that someone that is not on ANYONE'S top 5 HW list should be fighting against the "#1 in the world?"
Hopefully Werdum does knock Fedor out....Then we can finally have someone at #1 that isn't afraid to fight the best.
No I don't.
But it is what it is & thats what Strikeforce has to deal with in their thin stable.
What if Fedor runs through Werdum?
Is he going to get a little more respect?
Nope! Same shit different thread.
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I think most people are missing that this is a fight to set up a showdown with Fedor vs Overeem....however.....t hat being said just because someone isn't ranked in the top 10 doesn't mean they suck or there a can....werdum has fought alot of top level competition...He's fought gonzaga twice,Alistair overeem,Nog,aleksander Emelianenko,Andrei arlovski,brandon Vera,junior dos Santos,and big foot Silva.....that is an excellent list of opponents....A scrub fighter would not have that many fights against top 10 compition.....
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No I don't.
But it is what it is & thats what Strikeforce has to deal with in their thin stable.
What if Fedor runs through Werdum?
Is he going to get a little more respect?
Nope! Same shit different thread.
we all know he is fighting Werdum because there is really no one else to put him up against outside of the UFC. You really have to ask yourself why he is avoiding it. Better competition, more exposure and more money. My guess is he is afraid, dumb or both.
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I think most people are missing that this is a fight to set up a showdown with Fedor vs Overeem....however.....t hat being said just because someone isn't ranked in the top 10 doesn't mean they suck or there a can....werdum has fought alot of top level competition...He's fought gonzaga twice,Alistair overeem,Nog,aleksander Emelianenko,Andrei arlovski,brandon Vera,junior dos Santos,and big foot Silva.....that is an excellent list of opponents....A scrub fighter would not have that many fights against top 10 compition.....
Why do they need to set up a showdown for Fedor/Overeem ??? One is the #1 ranked heavyweight and the other is holding the Strike Farce belt ::)
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I think most people are missing that this is a fight to set up a showdown with Fedor vs Overeem....however.....t hat being said just because someone isn't ranked in the top 10 doesn't mean they suck or there a can....werdum has fought alot of top level competition...He's fought gonzaga twice,Alistair overeem,Nog,aleksander Emelianenko,Andrei arlovski,brandon Vera,junior dos Santos,and big foot Silva.....that is an excellent list of opponents....A scrub fighter would not have that many fights against top 10 compition.....
Intelligent post!!! Thank you! ;)
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Intelligent post!!! Thank you! ;)
no problem man :)...there kinda hard to come by on here lately regarding MMA...I find myself wondering why I even bother posting on Getbig as far as MMA goes...Especially since I post on other MMA forums were theres people who actually know what there talking about & can debate and back up there statements with facts....most on Getbig just resort to elementary style arguments & are so biased by certain fighters they lack the ability of rational thought....
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no problem man :)...there kinda hard to come by on here lately regarding MMA...I find myself wondering why I even bother posting on Getbig as far as MMA goes...Especially since I post on other MMA forums were theres people who actually know what there talking about & can debate and back up there statements with facts....most on Getbig just resort to elementary style arguments & are so biased by certain fighters they lack the ability of rational thought....
QFT!! 8)
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Why do they need to set up a showdown for Fedor/Overeem ??? One is the #1 ranked heavyweight and the other is holding the Strike Farce belt ::)
because overeem is already committed & signed to fight in march & fedor doesn't want to remain idle waiting on him.....
man why do I even bother :-\
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No I don't.
But it is what it is & thats what Strikeforce has to deal with in their thin stable.
What if Fedor runs through Werdum?
Is he going to get a little more respect?
Nope! Same shit different thread.
He won't get respect because he is 1. fighting Werdum 2. he is fighting in a small organization that has limited talent.
You keep forgetting, I don't dislike Fedor or Strikeforce. I dislike that he is fighting FAR below his talent level.
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no problem man :)...there kinda hard to come by on here lately regarding MMA...I find myself wondering why I even bother posting on Getbig as far as MMA goes...Especially since I post on other MMA forums were theres people who actually know what there talking about & can debate and back up there statements with facts....most on Getbig just resort to elementary style arguments & are so biased by certain fighters they lack the ability of rational thought....
I can tell you I like all MMA and am not biased towards anyone. Can you honestly say that Fedor wouldn't have more entertaining fights in the UFC?
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I can tell you I like all MMA and am not biased towards anyone. Can you honestly say that Fedor wouldn't have more entertaining fights in the UFC?
No I can't but you people have to understand that he is a businessman/owner. And who in their right mind would give all that up just to satisify Billy Blowjob in cornfed Iowa on some website fourm talking shit.
Bill gates didn't conform, did he?
People, the control UFC has over its fighter is crazy in this day & age.
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Okay - let me break this down for you dipshits once and for all. How do MMA fighters make money from the sport? By earning prize money, endorsement deals and in some cases a cut of the PPV.
Currently, Fedor is fighting with M1 & Strike Force. As a result, he is limiting how much he can earn per fight (UFC pays more), how much he can earn on PPV (UFC gets higher ratings and does more shows) and more importantly, he is limiting his exposure, which directly affects how much third party companies are willing to pay him. And, this third is one is HUGE. I'll give you an example. I work with a nutrition company that pays Rashas Evans $100,000 per fight to wear their logo on televised events...$100k just for wearing a t-shirt or hat. Then, he gets an additional $10k ever time that the logo is shown in a rebroadcast. In Rashad's case, they've shown this logo almost every time UFC Unleashed is on, every time TUF is on and every time they show footage in building up a fight of his. It's translated to another $500,000 for Rashad in 2009 (from just one sponsor). That same company also sponsors a few of Strike Farce top fighters. When they wear the logo they get $10,000 and each time it gets rebroadcasted they get $1,000. Since there is hardly any rebroadcasting, it doesn't really generate any money for the Strike Farce guys.
In Fedor's case, he would be able to command upwards of $250,000 to show a logo in a fight, plus $25,000 per rebroadcast. And that is just for one sponsor. He could have 3-4 that would be willing to pay this. He's not coming anywhere near that in Strike Farce.
He would also get a cut of the PPV, just as Lesnar, Couture, GSP and other top draws. That's a lot more money in the UFC than any other org.
I know Fedor owns 10% of M1, but that means nothing. He gets 10% of M1's 50% per fight. Since he is fighting in a subpar organization, this ads up to almost nothing.
Bottom line, Fedor makes more...MUCH more with the UFC. He should do a simple three fight deal, prove he is the best and if he wants to, go back to fighting cans when he is done. What's stopping him ???
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You must be right "Mind Spin."
Clearly you know what Fedors finances are, and as evinced by your last posting, he obviously is taking less money because he is scared of fighting the top notch HW's the UFC has to offer.
Thanks for clearing that up for us!
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You must be right "Mind Spin."
Clearly you know what Fedors finances are, and as evinced by your last posting, he obviously is taking less money because he is scared of fighting the top notch HW's the UFC has to offer.
Thanks for clearing that up for us!
Finally!
QFT!
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if the fights is on cbs then more people will watch because its free...
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if the fights is on cbs then more people will watch because its free...
Which = tons more money in Fedors pocket. This is something "Spin" can't wrap his lil nad around.
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there was a interview posted a while back on youtube after the cancellation of his fight against Barnett where Fedor clearly stated that its not about money
or his legacy...
So for all the UFC nuthuggers... ;D
Fedor doesn't care what people think...
He is happy with his current contract and his 10% ownership in M-1 global...
Regardless of his ownership in M-1 global ; his contract expires sometime at the end of 2010 or when his 3 fight deal is over with strikeforce.. whatever comes first... he has stated that he has enough money to retire if he wants too...
so there you go...
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so who the fuk is fedor meant to fight to keep the ufc nut huggers happy?
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All he needs to do is to clean out he "weak" UFC heavyweight division, starting with Brock.
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so who the fuk is fedor meant to fight to keep the ufc nut huggers happy?
yea man whats wrong with you....He has to beat a fighter with five fights then he will be shown respect :-\
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yea man whats wrong with you....He has to beat a fighter with five fights then he will be shown respect :-\
Dude, in the last couple of years, he's fought a lightweight, a middle weight and freakshows like Hong Man Choi. Are you telling he's too good to fight the current UFC title holder and #2 ranked fighter ???
Come on. You guys all know it. He would get devoured in the UFC...
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His real challenge is fighting a guy with a 4-1 record whose only worthwhile wins have been against fighters who are 5+ years past their prime. The UFC HW division ROCKS! It's so loaded with talent that Frank Mir is already in line for another title shot in the next year!
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His real challenge is fighting a guy with a 4-1 record whose only worthwhile wins have been against fighters who are 5+ years past their prime. The UFC HW division ROCKS! It's so loaded with talent that Frank Mir is already in line for another title shot in the next year!
Are you actually trying to make the point that Hong Man Choi (record 2-3-0 and one of those wins to Jose Canseco...lol)), Matt Linland (middle weight) and Shiya Aoki (lightweight), are better competition than Lesnar, Mir, Velasques, Carwin & Dosantos ??? Damn you're pathetic :D
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Are you actually trying to make the point that Hong Man Choi (record 2-3-0 and one of those wins to Jose Canseco...lol)), Matt Linland (middle weight) and Shiya Aoki (lightweight), are better competition than Lesnar, Mir, Velasques, Carwin & Dosantos ??? Damn you're pathetic :D
who the fuk are Lesnar, Mir, Velasques, Carwin & Dosantos? are they meant to be some world class fighters.
they are all shitter than each other and not one of them could defeat big nogs (yes i know mir tko'd nogs but that dont mean shit because he had staph infection and double vision. when nogs gets his rematch he will rip mir a new asshole)
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who the fuk are Lesnar, Mir, Velasques, Carwin & Dosantos? are they meant to be some world class fighters.
they are all shitter than each other and not one of them could defeat big nogs (yes i know mir tko'd nogs but that dont mean shit because he had staph infection and double vision. when nogs gets his rematch he will rip mir a new asshole)
not to mention mindspin is so conveniently leaving out Tim Sylvia,Andrei arlvoski,& Brett rogers which are three guys that could come in and clear out 90% of the UFC heavys by themselves....then throw in fedor and overeem and they would clear out the rest.....
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i know its different orginizations but imo brock and carwin are the only guys that have the style to dethrone fedor, imo to beat fedor a guy needs to be a great wrestler with a good knowledge of submission defense and have some quick and powerful hands, oh yeah, a decent chin wouldnt hurt either. brock and carwin seem to fit that mold for the most part imo, i was gonna say cain also before but cains punching power aint where it needs to be for a hw imo. brock or carwin can put you to sleep with one shot where cain hasnt shown that ability yet, dont get me wrong,werdum is a worthy opponant as well as afew of the other hw's also but im just stating who id like to see clash with fedor
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most people agree with you gracie bjj, but unfortunately we're not likely to see Fedor fight any of the top ten ranked heavyweights anytime soon.
Question for you - have you done any bjj tournaments? Now that I have a good/convenient place to train, I've been focusing more on my BJJ and I would like to compete sometime this year...
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not to mention mindspin is so conveniently leaving out Tim Sylvia,Andrei arlvoski,& Brett rogers which are three guys that could come in and clear out 90% of the UFC heavys by themselves....then throw in fedor and overeem and they would clear out the rest.....
I'm not conveniently leaving those guys out ::) Tim, Andre AND Nog are past their prime and not the fighters they once were. Actually, I never thought much of Andre or Tim even when they were in the UFC. Neither one of them could get past the lower tier fighters in the UFC today. Brett Rogers? Have you seen his record? Other than catching a washed up Arlovski, he has not fought anyone. The guy has never been tested.
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Brett Rogers? Have you seen his record? Other than catching a washed up Arlovski, he has not fought anyone. The guy has never been tested.
same could be said for carwin....yet he gets his props....
we will have to agree to disagree....besides I'm an MMA fan not a UFC or stikeforce fan....you obviously have an unhealthy obsession for all things UFC to the point were you come off quite immature and unable to look at things from an unbiased point of view....
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I beg to differ. I too am an MMA fan and watch nearly all events regardless of the org. However, as I've said before, I am a proponent of having one dominant organization, so that we can avoid the same pitfalls boxing fell into. I want undisputed champions and uniform rules. Whether it's the UFC, Strikeforce or some other org doesn't matter.
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same could be said for carwin....yet he gets his props....
we will have to agree to disagree....besides I'm an MMA fan not a UFC or stikeforce fan....you obviously have an unhealthy obsession for all things UFC to the point were you come off quite immature and unable to look at things from an unbiased point of view....
What you all seem to forget is that when Spin signed his UFC gym contract he is held to place Danas' / UFCs' balls in his mouth and no other organization/male is allowed to grace his chin. (while under contract)
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What you all seem to forget is that when Spin signed his UFC gym contract he is held to place Danas' / UFCs' balls in his mouth and no other organization/male is allowed to grace his chin. (while under contract)
Not only that but he seems to have an extremely over the top unhealthy obsession with all things Fedor....Look at his post history Fedor dominates his mind & sole....I mean damn...seriously...Fedor would have to personally do something negative to me or my family to show him even half as much hate & attention as spin shows him on a daily basis...I mean I love MMA but at the end of a day it's just entertainment & a sport....It's not that serious....
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Not only that but he seems to have an extremely over the top unhealthy obsession with all things Fedor....Look at his post history Fedor dominates his mind & sole....I mean damn...seriously...Fedor would have to personally do something negative to me or my family to show him even half as much hate & attention as spin shows him on a daily basis...I mean I love MMA but at the end of a day it's just entertainment & a sport....It's not that serious....
I can't speak for Mindspin, but Fedor is a sore subject for TRUE MMA fans. It is very frustrating to see a #1 ranked HW not fight the most entertaining match-ups. Like you said...MMA is entertainment first and foremost. Even though talent may or may not be better in Strikeforce, who wouldn't want to see Fedor smash OR get destroyed by the top HW's in the UFC?
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Brett Rogers? Have you seen his record? Other than catching a washed up Arlovski, he has not fought anyone. The guy has never been tested.
Yeah, and Brock has been tested by a tomato can and an old man past his prime who is 40 lbs lighter than him. Get real. At least Rogers is a genuine 270 lbs and won all of his previous 10 fights before the one with Fedor by KO, including a KO over a guy who was once the number 2 in the UFC - go watch UFC 62 when he fought Sylvia, who was the champ, for the heavyweight title. So Fedor has beat both number 1 and 2 in the UFC heavyweight division and also the guy who knocked out number 2.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Regarding Overeem, I don't know how he passes drug tests. Have you seen him lately?