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This article was written by a couple of other trainers I know very well........
By Alwyn Cosgrove and Jason Ferruggia For www.EliteFTS.com
Published courtesy of Jason Ferruggia and Alwyn Cosgrove
This article was written in response to a trend that both Jay and I experienced. We were getting approached by trainers asking us for business advice and how to "jump the ladder, get out of the trenches and avoid training clients for a long time".
We are all for helping motivated individuals fast-track their career, but the fact that a trainer is asking how to avoid training people, didn't sit well with us. We all get started in this industry through our desire to help people. If you don't want to be in the "trenches" helping people - maybe this industry is not for you. You know who you are.
In short - our advice to "fast tracking" your success as a trainer starts with being really good AS a trainer. Unfortunately this is the step most people seem to want to skip.
Over the past year, we have both received tons of emails and phone calls that go something like this: "I have listened to you for a while now and have purchased several products from you. I've watched you and your reputation grow."
Or like this: "What was the one thing you did or the one step you made that took you from being a 'personal trainer' to a more accomplished fitness expert? Basically, what got the ball rolling for you and got you that first break? How did you leap frog the competition? What advice would you give someone aspiring to do the same?"
Normally, we have no problem answering these questions, and we have helped many trainers with their businesses. Recently, however, there has been an alarming trend that we've both noticed. People seem to think that the "in the trenches" experience is a step they can skip.
AC: Prior to anyone in the field having "heard" of me through products, websites, or magazine articles, I had been financially successful as a trainer full-time for over 10-12 years. I had opened my own fully equipped gym with four full-time staff and saw close to 300 members 2-3 times per week. While I do make money from writing articles, etc., the bulk of my income comes from my gym. The current line of thinking seems to be that training people and getting results is unimportant and not really required to become a well-known trainer. However, it's the only thing that IS required.
JF: I didn't leap frog any competition, and I am far from an overnight success. People see my column in Men's Fitness or see me on the staff at EliteFTS.com, and they wonder what I did to get there and how they can do the same. The people asking me this question have usually trained three people and have been in this field for about a year.
Do you want to know how I became successful, got in the magazines, and got people to pay big money for my advice and buy my products? Do you want the simple formula for becoming a big success in this industry? Ok, I'll give it to you. Start training people when you are 19-years-old and going to college. Continue to do so until you're done with school. Read a book a week for the next 13 years, go to countless seminars, and do internships. Pay anyone you can find for advice; some of it will be good and some of it will be bad. Use every possible method and system of training you can find or invent one for yourself first and your clients second. Train literally hundreds and hundreds of clients for 6-12 hours per day for ten years. Get great results in your own training and with your clients CONSISTENTLY. When you have done that, you will have achieved your "overnight success." That's when you should start writing articles. Alwyn and I were both in the trenches for at least ten years before we ever wrote an article. We both believed that we had no business trying to spread our word to the masses until we had paid our dues and earned that right. For some reason, this is the only field where people don't seem to follow that same line of thinking. How long do you think Paul Tuttle of Orange County Choppers worked on bikes until he got a TV show? A year or two? Come on now, we all know better than that. How long do you think Chris Garver was tattooing before Miami Ink debuted on TV? Chris was recently quoted as saying, "It seems like anyone can become a tattoo artist these days, but it takes a very long time to become a good one." I agree 100 percent. I'll add that it seems like anyone can become a trainer, strength coach, or internet guru these days, but it takes a very long time to become a good one. In the shop where Chris Garver works, there is an apprentice named Yoshi. Before they will allow Yoshi to tattoo anyone, he must learn from the masters and pay his dues. This is how it should be in our industry. You shouldn't be able to get in the magazines or on the websites if you haven't paid your dues. It's that simple. If you're going to trust someone with your body, who do you want putting your tattoo on you--Chris Garver or some art school graduate who can talk a great game and even has a whole portfolio of Marvel Comics characters he drew to show you? By the same token, if you trust someone with your body in a different way (i.e. getting training advice from them), who are you going to listen to--someone who has spent the last 15 years in the gym and has amassed over 10,000 hours of working time with clients or the guy who just got into this field a year ago, has received 28 certifications in that time, and can quote everything Mel Siff ever wrote word for word? It's not the fact that we think you spend "years in the trenches" - we just think that you shouldn't want to skip that step - you should develop your skills to a high level. ---- Now don't get us wrong. We are all for helping everyone that we can. There are plenty of up and comers in this industry who will tell you that we're always willing to answer their questions and do whatever we can to be of assistance. We don't blame anyone for trying to make a living, and we love to see people succeed. It's just that if you're going to write about training people, you actually have to TRAIN PEOPLE!! And not just for a few years. That does not make an expert.
Get a successful training business up and running, put in the time and effort, and then you may be ready to speak to the masses. The problem is that we both came up the hard way, the old-fashioned way I guess. We spent thousands of hours in the trenches and experienced many ups and downs and hard times on our way to the top. It was never easy, and we struggled to make it many times. But, we persevered and earned our spots. The thing that pisses us off sometimes is the fact that nobody wants to do that anymore. People expect to come straight out of college, get in the magazines, write a few books, charge $400 an hour, and become a superstar. It's a little disrespectful to guys like CJ Murphy, who has busted his ass in the gym for close to 20 years working, learning, and getting unbeatable results. He is so busy that he barely has the time to even turn on the computer, never mind becoming an internet guru. Murph will never starve because he is doing things the right way and always has. If the magazines decide not to pay him anymore for his very limited time, he'll be fine. The guru's who have based their whole career in this industry on writing and selling products but haven't done time in the trenches will one day be exposed and left with no choice but to find a new career path. Like Ice Cube once said, "You better check yourself before you wreck yourself." So, more articles and more products do not necessarily equal more success. Just keep that in mind. Don't confuse "publicity" with being good at what you do. There are several well-known "trainers" out there. We were making good money actually training people FIRST. THEN, magazines started asking us about training and people asked about products. The articles and products came as a result of our reputation. They didn't help us get clients, or get good at our craft.
Good trainer first, marketing second.
AC: I mentioned this once to a "business adviser" in the fitness industry. I had commented that Trainer X literally had no clients. Not one. Yet, he was positioning himself as some sort of expert in the field, working harder to get magazine articles published and products released than he was getting clients and actually doing what he talked about. I thought it was a valuable point, but the "business adviser" disagreed. He said, "I think it's great. He has skipped all the bullshit and is making some money and a real name for himself."
But it's NOT great. It's deceitful.
What these people really do is journalism, not training. This is fine, but they're claiming more than just writing skills. The best journalists and magazine editors we know have never said they were trainers. If training people and mastering your craft is "bullshit," then I don't know what this industry will become. There seem to be several guys out there who are excited at having "skipped all the bullshit" (their words). They are now writing articles and selling products without having spent any time "in the trenches." Why are they proud of this? They should be ashamed of it.
How can you "skip" the "in the trenches" experience? That's not an option. It's also a key indicator or CLUE of their real intentions. We all got into this for the same reasons--because we have a huge passion and want to help people get better. The best way to do this is face to face, and it's also the best way to make a difference. If you skip this step, then what difference are you really trying to make? Why are you in the coaching business anyway? We know guys who have little to no real world experience training people, yet pride themselves on how many articles they have had published. And of course they list that on their website.
Are you kidding me? These guys with no experience are some of the biggest names in the field. You'd recognize their names if we published them. If you just won the lottery and needed to invest your money, would you go to a kid that is green in the business with zero money of his own? Or would you more likely trust the guy with a few million in the bank who has been helping clients for years? If you knew this, would your decision be based on experience or publicity? What if the new guy had all kinds of nice looking ads in the paper with a daily column? Would this influence your decision? Or would you go with your gut and seek the guy with the money and experience? It's almost as nuts as a guy who has never trained any tennis players or no more than a few high school kids EVER writing an article about training tennis players. Crazy, huh? Oh wait...that one was on the web last month. Honestly, we have more respect for some of the personal trainers who are working long hours at 24-hour fitness facilities and are actually getting people in shape. They are putting food on the table for their families based on their ability to get results, not just their marketing.
Now, we want to be clear that we don't think "paying your dues" means taking a shit job, or making shit money. But recently it seems that guys think putting your time in, actually getting good, and spending time on developing your skills in the real world is a step that can be missed. Unfortunately, becoming a high profile trainer has recently been marketed as if it were a separate issue from just being really good.
It's the equivalent of starting karate and saying, "I need to skip all the bullshit between yellow and blue belt and just tell people that I'm a black belt. If I skip all that, write some articles, and make some products, I'll be making black belt money!"
The problem is that you can buy the black belt, make a certificate, and "act as if" all you want. But when push comes to shove--and eventually it will--you're going to be exposed as a white belt.
In other words, you're a liar.
Before you even focus on trying to expand your business, or your profile, make sure that you're technically really good at what you do. Everyone thinks that they need business development, and this is true, but most of the trainers I've met need to get better at training first! You can't skip this step. Being really skilled at what you do is the only guaranteed way to improve your business. Marketing and business practices are very important but will only take you so far.
Great marketing and a great image will be exposed if you can't back it up by producing real results with real people. If you're just a good personal trainer, start educating yourself rapidly. The more you learn, the more you can earn. It's that simple. And it's important to understand your limitations. We all have limitations when it comes to experience. For example, we're not powerlifters. We don't train powerlifters, and as a result, you will never see us posting in the Q&A on EliteFTS.com in any areas we do not feel comfortable. We're not the strength experts. That's why we ended up seeking out Louie Simmons and Dave Tate and their educational material. It's ok to find someone to help you. We're not the diet, supplement, or drug experts either. We might not even know as much as you do. But, we definitely know someone who knows more than you, and all we have to do is call him.
We DO have years of experiencing training athletes and regular people. This is what we do, and what we love to do. This is what we know. If this step is something that people are looking to skip, then they are in the wrong field. So what do you do? Up until now, this has been little more than a rant. Well, that's not us. Here is our plan of attack to take your career up a notch. 1. Set benchmarks of success that you want to hit. If you work in a club, maybe you want to become the head trainer or the busiest trainer? Perhaps you just want to have a full client load or charge more money?
Maybe you want to go out on your own or open your own place? (Keep in mind that although it seems like a goal, opening your own place or even working for yourself is maybe not the way you want to go. There are some GREAT trainers who have made a name for themselves working for someone else. Martin Rooney and Stephen Holt come to mind.)
If you're just starting out, seek out a mentor to help you. Offer to assist them for free or even pay them for their time. It will put your experience and education on the fast track to a level far beyond any financial investment you may make.
2. Establish a level of excellence in everything that you do. How's your exercise technique? How's your client's exercise technique? What if you're not there? Your client's exercise form, without your supervision, is a window into your abilities. If you took a vacation and Dave Tate was supervising your AVERAGE clients' squat workout (not your star client!), would you be proud of their form, or would you have the excuses lined up?
3. Create a replicable system of program design. There has been a backlash against formal program design recently. The attitude has been "I don't know what I'm doing exactly until I get to the gym." This is acceptable when it comes from an experienced trainee, but in business, systems are everything. We should be able to write a program exactly as you do, without your input, by merely following your directions. This is the first step into hiring staff or increasing your business.
4. What are the results of your TYPICAL client? We all have the superstars that we can hold up and say "this is our work!" Well, guess what. ALL your clients are your work, even the "athletically challenged." It's easy to show us a picture of a pro athlete who you work with or a Men's Health cover model and take all the credit (even though these guys were pro athletes or models before they even met you). Your reputation is built on improving the average client, getting Johnny off the bench and into the game, getting 30 lbs of fat off of Suzy. Raise the standards of your results across the board.
5. Think about the type of clients you want. You may want to train baseball players exclusively but right now only 10 percent of your clients come from that niche. How can you target more in that market? Maybe it means offering your services to some local kids for free to build your reputation? And what kind of clients do you have? If you were to classify them as A, B, C, or D, with A being a highly motivated client in your target market, who trains hard, never cancels, is a great ad for your business, and refers other clients, and D being "you need the work to pay your bills," how would you classify them? (You can use any system of classification that you want but hopefully you get the picture.) Every three months, you should be able to "trim the & fat" and get rid of the bottom tier of clients. If this isn't the case, then it's doubtful that your skills are where they need to be. 6. Start studying the ancillaries of your profession. For example, if strength is your forte, then make sure you have a basic understanding of nutrition, mobility, energy system work, flexibility, and injury revention/rehabilitation. The goal is NOT to become an expert in all of these areas, but to build a basic level of competence so that you can communicate on the topic and establish who the experts are in these areas. You want to look for THE expert and also the LOCAL expert. This helps build a network for you to consult. It has basically been the impetus behind the Elite Fitness advisory team. To be quite honest, until you are good at what you do, no one cares about your ability to write about it or wants to view your new DVD on it!
7. Now it's time to study business. Magazine writing and product development all hinge on your abilities as a trainer. Getting good is not a step you should want to skip. If you want to get away from training and coaching, then maybe this field is not for you. Coaching is why we all do this. Don't be in a hurry to get past that stage.
8. If you want to write, STUDY writing. Some of the top journalists in this field, such as Sean Hyson, Adam Campbell, and Lou Schuler, have spoken to more top trainers than anyone else. These guys know a great deal but NEVER pass themselves off as trainers. Don't be disrespectful to these guys and think you know how to write. Learn your craft.
9. Business book number one has to be The E Myth by Michael Gerber. Your goal should be to read this book ASAP. A good goal is to read a business book a week, alongside studying training. The second book to read is Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. It has about 15 chapters. Keep reading this book. Read a chapter a day every day so that you basically read it twice a month.
10. While we're on the subject of reading, a competent trainer should be reading Entrepreneur magazine, Fortune Small Business, Inc, Fast Company, etc. You should also be reading all the fitness magazines and websites. You can make fun of the fitness magazines all you want, but it's what your clients are reading and you should know what's out there. And face it, there's not a single trainer out there who wouldn't love to have a column or article in a national magazine.
Read the magazines.
(I once read some criticism on an internet forum that said, "Do you think Alwyn Cosgrove will hurt his reputation with his recent book deal and Men's Fitness column?" Yeah, right. Every trainer on the planet would hate a mainstream book deal and a column in a national magazine because it might hurt their reputation on a forum.)
11. Attend any and all seminars in your area. You're not that good that you can afford not to attend. We've never got dumber from attending any educational event. In fact, the networking alone is worth more than the seminar fee. And don't limit yourself to only training events. You want your butt in all the business seminars in your area also. So overall, getting to the next level takes time. There aren't any steps you can skip or moves you can make to leapfrog the competition. You just need to have a methodical plan to improve your skills and therefore your business, and do everything in your power to execute that plan. Alwyn Cosgrove is a Tae kwon do international champion. He has utilized his personal experience as an athlete and combined it with the advanced theories of European sports science and the principles of modern strength and conditioning systems.
Alwyn Cosgrove has worked with a wide range of clientele including several Olympic and national level athletes and five world champions. He has also worked with professionals in a multitude of sports such as boxing, martial arts, soccer, ice skating, football, fencing, triathlon, rugby, bodybuilding, dance, and fitness competition. www.AlwynCosgrove.com.
Jason Ferruggia is a nationally recognized, highly sought after performance enhancement specialist. The owner of his private athletic training company, Renegade Strength & Conditioning, Jason has worked with hundreds of athletes from over twenty different sports over the last ten years. Jason is renowned for his ability to rapidly increase speed, strength, and size in all of his clients. www.J1Strength.com
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Look, I know this is a long article, but try and focus your ADD and read it!
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In short, it focuses on "trainers" who come off as experts and want to bypass the "in the trenches" training it takes to become an "expert". People who would rather write articles about training to try to get a name for themselves and capitalize on the industry instead of actually training.
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In short, it focuses on "trainers" who come off as experts and want to bypass the "in the trenches" training it takes to become an "expert". People who would rather write articles about training to try to get a name for themselves and capitalize on the industry instead of actually training.
but he's a Certified Master Trainer ::) ::) ::)
and I'm a pilot too
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I didn't get past the "avoid training clients for a long time" part.
That is me.
Obviously this is not what the long-winded bullshit article is about.
Fuckin bitches wanna trainer for the rest of their lives. I can write an article about that, no problem.
Bye.
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I didn't get past the "avoid training clients for a long time" part.
That is me.
Obviously this is not what the long-winded bullshit article is about.
Fuckin bitches wanna trainer for the rest of their lives. I can write an article about that, no problem.
Bye.
Like the article basically said, you do for the money without really giving a shit exept for a check. This is what gives trainers a bad name.
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and you train for free?
just do it for charity right? not that you ever made any real money anyway
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and you train for free?
just do it for charity right? not that you ever made any real money anyway
No, but I don't use gimmicks or make myself out to be something I'm not just to rip people off to better my bottom line. As for not making any real money, well, just think before you speak. What do you consider "real money"?
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Coach, I didn't read any of your letter. But why did you say Goodrum. he is not a personal trainer.
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Good "advices" in that article.
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Look, I know this is a long article, but try and focus your ADD and read it!
could nt be bothered reading
regards
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In short, it focuses on "trainers" who come off as experts and want to bypass the "in the trenches" training it takes to become an "expert". People who would rather write articles about training to try to get a name for themselves and capitalize on the industry instead of actually training.
QFT
its called 'there are no free lunches in this world'.....
nothing worthwhile comes without effort....
build a business in a day or two and lose it just as quick....
whats with these personal trainers trying to make a quick buck?.....NFI
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but he's a Certified Master Trainer ::) ::) ::)
and I'm a pilot too
Well, I'll have a Collegiate Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth University in a few months soon followed by a Bachelor's in Health next year. Even though I've been in the business for a while, I'm always studying new things because I'm serious about my craft. You have to keep up with new innovations in fitness and exercise and that's how you do it
As far as Coach is concerned along with the article, I find that article of paying dues a bad case of whine and moan. He's mad because he had to sweat and toil for 10 years and get 28 certification before they stuck their head up and looked at him while people like me were quickly successful in the PT business with minor accolades.
Fact is that personal training is a business and regardless of what you know or what you have done, if you do not have the marketing savvy, a smart business plan, or money management skills then you'll still be a complete failure. In addition to that, no personal trainer is the same. My key to success was keeping my training and nutritional protocol to my client in CLEAR ENGLISH and keep the exercises easy to do instead of having my clients flipping tires or jumping up and down on boxes doing burpees or tossing around Atlas Stones like Coach does. By using that method, I don't alienate my clients and that allows them to be more confident in staying consistent with their fitness goals. I don't believe in "torturing my clients and putting them on the rack like some of these veteran trainers do".
Some people struggle in the PT business and others don't. That's life and Alwyn Cosgrove and Jason Ferruggia shouldn't chastise folks like me for not having to go through all that sweat and toil and shouldn't expect me to feel sorry for all of their heartache and struggle.
Its personal training but its also a business. You have to not only have the knowledge and skill to train people but you also have to have the business know-how as well and branch off into other avenues like I did which is why I don't really have to train as much as others to stay in business.
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Well, I'll have a Collegiate Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth University in a few months soon followed by a Bachelor's in Health next year.
Even though I've been in the business for a while, I'm always studying new things because I'm serious about my craft. You have to keep up with new innovations in fitness and exercise and that's how you do it
You might want to throw in some tire flipping Vince as Coach and chaos do, I'm sure there are some truck drivers around the woods of NC.
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Well, I'll have a Collegiate Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth University in a few months soon followed by a Bachelor's in Health next year.
Even though I've been in the business for a while, I'm always studying new things because I'm serious about my craft. You have to keep up with new innovations in fitness and exercise and that's how you do it
*Unsnaps holster*
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*Unsnaps holster*
:D
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One other thing, Coach. Ditch the front page you designed and redirect your site back to what 240 built for you because it looks like utter crap. You don't need 2 web blogs and the Neochrome Wordpress Blog in the middle of the front page is downright ugly.
People like you complain about struggling in the business and this is one of the reasons why....poor marketing strategies.
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In short, it focuses on "trainers" who come off as experts and want to bypass the "in the trenches" training it takes to become an "expert". People who would rather write articles about training to try to get a name for themselves and capitalize on the industry instead of actually training.
Aren't people who need an actual expert a minority compared to those who want a certain image? Sure, a lot of those trainers are bullshitters but most people only want someone to count reps and keep them entertained.
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You might want to throw in some tire flipping Vince as Coach and chaos do, I'm sure there are some truck drivers around the woods of NC.
Waste of time and Coach's training is going to get Tito Ortize's ass kicked in the ring. If I was training him, he would be on a Total Gym machine or some dumbell doing minimal weight training for 45 minutes so that he can spend the bulk of his time on what will really help him in his fight which is more boxing, more grappling, and more cardiovascular endurance training. He's an MMA fighter and should be training for a UFC Fight instead of Met-RX World's Strongest Man.
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I complain about struggling in business?? And did I read that correctly when you said you would put fighters on a "Total gym machine"? When you study your craft, what craft would that be? Because it sure as hell isn't training. Now you know why this was directed at you and "trainers" like you.
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I complain about struggling in business?? And did I read that correctly when you said you would put fighters on a "Total gym machine"? When you study your craft, what craft would that be? Because it sure as hell isn't training. Now you know why this was directed at you and "trainers" like you.
You called me out and posted this whine and bitch article and you got your answer. I obviously wouldn't know whether you're struggling in business or not but honestly I'm sick and tired of these so call "veteran trainers" complaining how us "young bucks" are taking all of their clients and being successful in a short time. Truth is that it wasn't that easy but I didn't have to toil for years because I had a business plan right from the start and I consulted not only with successful trainer but also advisers on running a successful business in general. Being a good personal trainer will only get you so far, you also have to learn time, money management, advertising, and marketing and the sooner you get that right the less time trainers will be "sweating and toiling".
Now as far as Tito is concerned, I wasn't going to say anything but since you decided to insult my training business, I will tell you that you're going to get his ass kicked with your routines. Yes I would put his ass on a Total Gym 26000 machine and have him do rapid punch chest presses to give him more knockout power and speed up his jab and plenty of core exercises to strengthen his abdominals so that he can absorb more punishment when he gets hit in the lower region. In addition, I would literally put his ass to the wall in cardio training so his legs won't turn to rubber as the match wears on and I'd make him do it with a mouthpiece so he can do it with the same amount of oxygen capacity as he would have in a match as I noticed that when he was flipping tires, he didn't have one in his mouth.
My time with Tito would only be about 45 minutes and then I would refer him to his boxing and grappling coaches for the remainer of the day. He not going to be pushing cars or flipping tires in the ring, he's going to be fighting so his time and energy should be focused on a regimen specifically on fighting not training to be a strongman. I train a fighter to be a fighter, not anything else
If he actually manages to win the fight which I doubt at this point, it won't be from doing farmer's walks or lifting Atlas Stones.
But to conclude, don't call me out Joe because you don't know jack shit about me. And yes, I would put a fighter on a Total Gym because it does work. Go tell Kenny Florian his routine is a joke. He's been using that machine himself and for his Jujitsu studio with spectacular results. Don't knock my methods and I won't knock yours Coach. Show some respect for other personal trainers
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This should get interesting.
money talks... bullshhit runs the marathon (walks).
Which one of you made more money last year? I remember vince mentioning it was a slow year, and that he earned $6k for his 2008 efforts. Not a bad number for a part-time trainer in that area of the country, with a lower standard of living. I'm in Cali like JME, and I know things cost way more here. About how much did you pull last year, Marino? You dont gotta be specific, but what range? Did you make $6,000 like Goodrum, or a lot more?
The numbers will do the talking.
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*Unsnaps holster*
Dr.,
Are you thinking Vince should harness clients to his trailer as a pulling exercise?
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This should get interesting.
money talks... bullshhit runs the marathon (walks).
Which one of you made more money last year? I remember vince mentioning it was a slow year, and that he earned $6k for his 2008 efforts. Not a bad number for a part-time trainer in that area of the country, with a lower standard of living. I'm in Cali like JME, and I know things cost way more here. About how much did you pull last year, Marino? You dont gotta be specific, but what range? Did you make $6,000 like Goodrum, or a lot more?
The numbers will do the talking.
2008 was actually a net loss so I didn't earn anything at all. I only pulled out the money I needed for my personal expenses which was about 6,800 and I had about 4k in savings that I used. It didn't have anything to do with revenue I made because I did a lot but with Ebay more or less changing the terms and screwing a lot of people over in advertising expenses. Same thing happenned to Guy Grundy but even worse to the point where he ran of money to ship items and ended up with an grade of F from the Better Business Bureau with FitNetUSA.
This past year was much better and I was able to take more a decent chunk of money but even then I'm investing into other venture.
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This should get interesting.
money talks... bullshhit runs the marathon (walks).
Which one of you made more money last year? I remember vince mentioning it was a slow year, and that he earned $6k for his 2008 efforts. Not a bad number for a part-time trainer in that area of the country, with a lower standard of living. I'm in Cali like JME, and I know things cost way more here. About how much did you pull last year, Marino? You dont gotta be specific, but what range? Did you make $6,000 like Goodrum, or a lot more?
The numbers will do the talking.
Lets just say I fall into the category that Obama is going to tax the shit out of.
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Lets just say I fall into the category that Obama is going to tax the shit out of.
That's another thing, what is your deal on being obsessed with politics??? Who cares about McCain, Obama, and etc. You're going to get taxed more regardless, it just depends on where they take the money from. They lower you tax in one area and raise them in another area. That's how its always worked whether Demo or Repub
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Dr.,
Are you thinking Vince should harness clients to his trailer as a pulling exercise?
LOL. It's an idea. Might get him to the weigh-in on time.
It's just whenever I hear that phrase 'master my craft' I think of someone like Stella Adler, or Marc Chagall or E. L. Doctorow -ie. people who have actually mastered a craft. Nowadays, you hear people on reality tv shows averring such a notion, let alone our very own triple V!?
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Vince, post ONE example of a client of yours. Just one who will vouch for you being a trainer.
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Vince, post ONE example of a client of yours. Just one who will vouch for you being a trainer.
He can't. I guarantee you he has not one client. If he had ever a client they quit after the first session. No way in hell would anyone have this moron train them. NO WAY!. Her can't ever prove he has trained anyone. If he had anyopne who liked him as a trainer he could get them to type something up and sign it and post it with a photo. But he can't. He may train Chris the Queer Vissy though. A couple good rams in the ass and Goodrum has done his job. And I alway love the fact he list his bogus creditenials. He can't afford nor get accepted into any REAL university so his claim to fame is getting an online certification. He is dangerous as a trainer cause he has NO experience. NONE! He does not weight train. How can you show someone how to train with weights if you have never done it. He reads so he thinks he can be a trainer. He is dangerous in the gym and I know he does not train anyone. No real gym would allow him too. Is Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Arnold, Kazmaier, or many other bodybuilders or powerlifters certified personal trainers. Some of them are I know that, but most are not. Would you rather get your training advice from one of these type of guys or a guy who gets all his experience from reading books. Goodrum is moron and a menace. Again, as I have said many times before, he should ONLY give advice on what he knows. That is sucking pale white cock and taking it up the ass a few times a day. That is the only thing he has experience at
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He can't. I guarantee you he has not one client. If he had ever a client they quit after the first session. No way in hell would anyone have this moron train them. NO WAY!. Her can't ever prove he has trained anyone. If he had anyopne who liked him as a trainer he could get them to type something up and sign it and post it with a photo. But he can't. He may train Chris the Queer Vissy though. A couple good rams in the ass and Goodrum has done his job. And I alway love the fact he list his bogus creditenials. He can't afford nor get accepted into any REAL university so his claim to fame is getting an online certification. He is dangerous as a trainer cause he has NO experience. NONE! He does not weight train. How can you show someone how to train with weights if you have never done it. He reads so he thinks he can be a trainer. He is dangerous in the gym and I know he does not train anyone. No real gym would allow him too. Is Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Arnold, Kazmaier, or many other bodybuilders or powerlifters certified personal trainers. Some of them are I know that, but most are not. Would you rather get your training advice from one of these type of guys or a guy who gets all his experience from reading books. Goodrum is moron and a menace. Again, as I have said many times before, he should ONLY give advice on what he knows. That is sucking pale white cock and taking it up the ass a few times a day. That is the only thing he has experience at
lol brutal truth right there
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http://www.melvingoodrum.com/services.htm
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Services
Personal Training: $30.00 dollars per session (Jackson County Residents Only). Please call to schedule an appointment as available times are limited. All sessions will be conducted at the Jackson County Recreation Center.
Online Personal Training: $15.00 a month. Includes customized training routine, nutritional meal plan, and journal software.
Business Seminars: Are you having trouble marketing a nutritional supplement for your network marketing business. If so then pick up the phone and give me a call. My group seminars will give you and the members of your organization all the information and instruction to sucessfully market your nutritional supplements and ultimately build your downline.
Fee: $3000.00 USD
Note: A 1000.00 non-refundable retainer is required to reserve your date. If your location is more than 50 miles away from Sylva, NC then additional travel expenses are required, either .20 per business mile or round trip business class airfare from Atlanta GA. Hotel and food expenses are also required if an overnight stay is nessesary. I am also available for travel to Dubai and other international countries.
Only 3 grand plus expenses to get a real, live Melvin seminar!
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That's another thing, what is your deal on being obsessed with politics??? Who cares about McCain, Obama, and etc. You're going to get taxed more regardless, it just depends on where they take the money from. They lower you tax in one area and raise them in another area. That's how its always worked whether Demo or Repub
It's not a political statement, it's a fact. I'm not going to turn this into a political thread either. Again, before you consider getting into any other facet in the fitness industry you need to train (for along time) the people you are selling your other services too.
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http://www.melvingoodrum.com/services.htm
(http://www.melvingoodrum.com/picts/ScreenHunter_06%20Sep.%2025%2011.57.gif)
Services
Personal Training: $30.00 dollars per session (Jackson County Residents Only). Please call to schedule an appointment as available times are limited. All sessions will be conducted at the Jackson County Recreation Center.
Online Personal Training: $15.00 a month. Includes customized training routine, nutritional meal plan, and journal software.
Business Seminars: Are you having trouble marketing a nutritional supplement for your network marketing business. If so then pick up the phone and give me a call. My group seminars will give you and the members of your organization all the information and instruction to sucessfully market your nutritional supplements and ultimately build your downline.
Fee: $3000.00 USD
Note: A 1000.00 non-refundable retainer is required to reserve your date. If your location is more than 50 miles away from Sylva, NC then additional travel expenses are required, either .20 per business mile or round trip business class airfare from Atlanta GA. Hotel and food expenses are also required if an overnight stay is nessesary. I am also available for travel to Dubai and other international countries.
Only 3 grand plus expenses to get a real, live Melvin seminar!
How many clients do you actually have Vince? and since you said you only made 6K last year how can you call yourself or position yourself an expert in business by offering seminars?
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How many clients do you actually have Vince? and since you said you only made 6K last year how can you call yourself or position yourself an expert in business by offering seminars?
HE CAN'T AND HE HAS NONE!! This is why I pick on him so much. Nothing pisses me off more than fucking moron like Goodrum who goes around thinking he knows everything about everything yet he knows NOTHING. If he kept it to himself and didn't try to peddle shit off to others then it would be okay but he actually tries to get people to believe in his shit and take their money. He is dangerous. I would never ever ever let him train anyone in a gym. He is in his own delusional world but he tries to get others into it. Like I said he is only an expert in cocking sucking and taking it in the ass. THAT'S IT! Case closed. He can call me fat or whatever but I guarantee you I know volumes of lifting experience more than he will ever know. I even know how to diet but it is something I am far from practicing. I would rather train harder to lose the weight than have to diet. Even though I have cut out quite a bit of junk food, just not all of it,
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Goodrum knows everything about nothing and not too much about that
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lol at people arguing over "knowledge" and how it relates to personal training
NEWSFLASH- PERSONAL TRAINING IS A SALES JOB
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lol at people arguing over "knowledge" and how it relates to personal training
NEWSFLASH- PERSONAL TRAINING IS A SALES JOB
Thank you johnnynoname, finally someone around here gets it. If any folks like you Coach understood "the big picture" then you would realize that your sweat and toil was a waste of your time and lives relative to actually learning how to run a business.
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HE CAN'T AND HE HAS NONE!! This is why I pick on him so much. Nothing pisses me off more than fucking moron like Goodrum who goes around thinking he knows everything about everything yet he knows NOTHING. If he kept it to himself and didn't try to peddle shit off to others then it would be okay but he actually tries to get people to believe in his shit and take their money. He is dangerous. I would never ever ever let him train anyone in a gym. He is in his own delusional world but he tries to get others into it. Like I said he is only an expert in cocking sucking and taking it in the ass. THAT'S IT! Case closed. He can call me fat or whatever but I guarantee you I know volumes of lifting experience more than he will ever know. I even know how to diet but it is something I am far from practicing. I would rather train harder to lose the weight than have to diet. Even though I have cut out quite a bit of junk food, just not all of it,
You NEED a personal trainer. The last thing you should be doing is criticizing one.
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It's not a political statement, it's a fact. I'm not going to turn this into a political thread either. Again, before you consider getting into any other facet in the fitness industry you need to train (for along time) the people you are selling your other services too.
Politics has no place in business and it only serves to interfere with obtaining new clients. Your thread is garbage and its unprofessional to openly attack someone with no provacation. I don't think I've said much of anything to you negatively ever and quite frankly I don't see any point in entertainment your childish behavior any further.
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You NEED a personal trainer. The last thing you should be doing is criticizing one.
hahahaha by the way you are NO personal trainer. Answer the questions. Show us one just one client.
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Thank you johnnynoname, finally someone around here gets it. If any folks like you Coach understood "the big picture" then you would realize that your sweat and toil was a waste of your time and lives relative to actually learning how to run a business.
Perfect example of that article.
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Thank you johnnynoname, finally someone around here gets it. If any folks like you Coach understood "the big picture" then you would realize that your sweat and toil was a waste of your time and lives relative to actually learning how to run a business.
whoa whoa
lets get something straight
YOU NEED TO BE CERTIFED by a legitmate certifying board (ACSM,NASM (ugh))
however, in order to be make money and be successful, you need to be a good salesman-
once you pass your certifying exam and get your CPR/AED/First Aid certs THEN you concentrate on sales
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Perfect example of that article.
Exactly. It is sad when a person who has absolutely no experience in personal training other than reading a book can go out and market himself as someone who is an expert and take away clients from people who are actually versed in training and everything else that goes along with it. Sure marketing yourself is a big part of it, but at least have some experience. You can't beat actual experience. Still waiting for Goodrum to post up a client. He is struggling to find some obscure photos on the internet to say they are his.
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Exactly. It is sad when a person who has absolutely no experience in personal training other than reading a book can go out and market himself as someone who is an expert and take away clients from people who are actually versed in training and everything else that goes along with it. Sure marketing yourself is a big part of it, but at least have some experience. You can't beat actual experience. Still waiting for Goodrum to post up a client. He is struggling to find some obscure photos on the internet to say they are his.
exactly
remember, yes, personal training IS SALES BUT.....you need to be CERTIFIED FIRST
i have my certification from a VERY good certifying board (ACSM)
however, my certification isn't what will make me money- it will get me a job at a gym as a "Staff trainer".
To be honest, you could always lie about your certification if you are a independent trainer...or not even have a certification
i don't know what Vince has (certification wise, that is)
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whoa whoa
lets get something straight
YOU NEED TO BE CERTIFED by a legitmate certifying board (ACSM,NASM (ugh))
however, in order to be make money and be successful, you need to be a good salesman-
once you pass your certifying exam and get your CPR/AED/First Aid certs THEN you concentrate on sales
You have to have those, but just to be clear, all of the certs or degree's in the world still doesn't make people trainers or at least good one's.
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You have to have those, but just to be clear, all of the certs or degree's in the world still doesn't make people trainers or at least good one's.
qft
i'm not gonna argue with you one bit on that point
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exactly
remember, yes, personal training IS SALES BUT.....you need to be CERTIFIED FIRST
i have my certification from a VERY good certifying board (ACSM)
however, my certification isn't what will make me money- it will get me a job at a gym as a "Staff trainer".
To be honest, you could always lie about your certification if you are a independent trainer...or not even have a certification
i don't know what Vince has (certification wise, that is)
I'm got my PT certification and sports nutrition certification from The American Muscle & Fitness Institute (AMFPT) in 2002 and their Master Fitness Trainer certification in 2005. I'm finishing up on a Diploma in Fitness and Exercise for Ashworth University which will be completed by April and I'm also working towards a B.S in Health. I'm only late in the game because my original job field was engineering until subsequent layoffs so I had to start all over for the most part.
However my biggest certification comes from working with normal everyday people, that's where the real experience comes from. Quite frankly I'm moving away from the PT field and into other areas of health & fitness but I'm a competent personal trainer and I get results. Otherwise I would have done something else a long time ago.
Coach, you have lots of people on this board talking trash about you and your business yet instead you decide to go after my business for no apparent reason without ever meeting me or watching me train a client. In addition, who made you or anyone else king of the training industry???
Sounds to me like the economy is beating up your tire flipping business and you're lashing out at folks like me for no reason. I don't tell you how to run your business and neither should you likewise
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I'm got my PT certification and sports nutrition certification from The American Muscle & Fitness Institute (AMFPT) in 2002 and their Master Fitness Trainer certification in 2005. I'm finishing up on a Diploma in Fitness and Exercise for Ashworth University which will be completed by April and I'm also working towards a B.S in Health. I'm only late in the game because my original job field was engineering until subsequent layoffs so I had to start all over for the most part.
However my biggest certification comes from working with normal everyday people, that's where the real experience comes from. Quite frankly I'm moving away from the PT field and into other areas of health & fitness but I'm a competent personal trainer and I get results. Otherwise I would have done something else a long time ago.
You are moving away from PT cause you had NO clients and not making a dime at it cause NO one would hire you. Pure and simple, so quit trying to sugar-coat it. And you are NOT competent in anything but the obvious, cock-sucking/licking and butt-fucking. Get that straight and you may become an all-time great at it.
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I'm got my PT certification and sports nutrition certification from The American Muscle & Fitness Institute (AMFPT) in 2002 and their Master Fitness Trainer certification in 2005. I'm finishing up on a Diploma in Fitness and Exercise for Ashworth University which will be completed by April and I'm also working towards a B.S in Health. I'm only late in the game because my original job field was engineering until subsequent layoffs so I had to start all over for the most part.
However my biggest certification comes from working with normal everyday people, that's where the real experience comes from. Quite frankly I'm moving away from the PT field and into other areas of health & fitness but I'm a competent personal trainer and I get results. Otherwise I would have done something else a long time ago.
Coach, you have lots of people on this board talking trash about you and your business yet instead you decide to go after my business for no apparent reason without ever meeting me or watching me train a client. In addition, who made you or anyone else king of the training industry???
Sounds to me like the economy is beating up your tire flipping business and you're lashing out at folks like me for no reason. I don't tell you how to run your business and neither should you likewise
Vince, I pointed out you because of another thread I believe you started. It's just not aimed at you but other trainers who fall into this category of using an industry to try to capitalize on without actually being in position to talk about it. I'm saying before you come off as an expert in a particular industry you have to prove yourself FIRST. If people are talking trash about my my training protocols, business knowledge or whatever, fine because I KNOW I CAN BACK IT UP. Am I going to open my financial's on here to anyone who should ask? Hell no. But do I make more than $6k in a year...yes, as a matter of fact thats around what my house payment is per month if that is any indication.
Let me ask you Vince, what do you research more, training methods and protocols or business? Don't get me wrong, business is business, I most certainly get it.
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LOL. It's an idea. Might get him to the weigh-in on time.
It's just whenever I hear that phrase 'master my craft' I think of someone like Stella Adler, or Marc Chagall or E. L. Doctorow -ie. people who have actually mastered a craft. Nowadays, you hear people on reality tv shows averring such a notion, let alone our very own triple V!?
Maybe his craft is baiting. :)
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Vince, I pointed out you because of another thread I believe you started. It's just not aimed at you but other trainers who fall into this category of using an industry to try to capitalize on without actually being in position to talk about it. I'm saying before you come off as an expert in a particular industry you have to prove yourself FIRST. If people are talking trash about my my training protocols, business knowledge or whatever, fine because I KNOW I CAN BACK IT UP. Am I going to open my financial's on here to anyone who should ask? Hell no. But do I make more than $6k in a year...yes, as a matter of fact thats around what my house payment is per month if that is any indication.
Let me ask you Vince, what do you research more, training methods and protocols or business? Don't get me wrong, business is business, I most certainly get it.
If you have a question about my research, training methods, protocols, or business you could just send a PM to me instead of just creating an thread directly at me. Of course, with saying that you are not the authority on deciding who is a fitness expert in the industry and who isn't.
Fact is I'm not concerned about being the fitness expert but rather being a successful fitness professional who can pay their bills from doing something I love to do which is training people and helping them achieve their goals which is what I've been doing for 9 years, Marino. I only care what my clients say and not a bunch of Getbig or internet trolls. I'm well respected in the community I live in, I do a good job and that's it.
However I will tell you something, out of the 3 active personal trainers in Sylva, NC I'm not the top dog. The person around here who has the most clients is a guy who doesn't even train in a gym. He drives around town in a old beige church van and he has a bowflex machine in the rear. He goes to people's houses wheels in that bowflex and his clients work out on it and he's done that for over 20 years. Most trainers like you would laugh and ridicule this guy but he bought his house and put his kids through school with that old faded paint tan church van and bowflex machine. He has no website, no office, and doesn't advertise...just word of mouth and he's still rocking along in that van and bowflex although he finally decided to paint it white.
How do you think he was so successful and had so many customers and clients?? His method of training was simple, his clients got results and he has good business skills.
If you got a question, Coach, ask first before coming to your own conclusions and disrespecting someone's business. If you were any type of fitness professional you would have contacted me directly
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I dont usually defend Vince but he is just trying to make a living. I think Johnny Noname said it, PT is sales. If the customer isnt satisfied they can move hence no money for the PT.
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I dont usually defend Vince but he is just trying to make a living. I think Johnny Noname said it, PT is sales. If the customer isnt satisfied they can move hence no money for the PT.
I understand that. But with us, it's not if the client is satisfied with us, it's if we are satisfied with them. They are reflection of US and if they can't conform to our criteria we simply send them on their way.
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I understand that. But with us, it's not if the client is satisfied with us, it's if we are satisfied with them. They are reflection of US and if they can't conform to our criteria we simply send them on their way.
Surely you can appreciate the difference between training athletes and fat housewives. :)
Elite athletes aren't going to take advice from someone with no track record and a weekend certification course or two. Also, they have budgets and professional reasons for training.
Recently JNN made a post about leaving cheerleading and rep counting personal training. He basically blamed black men because they will definitely hit a chubby white chick, LOL! Crass as he was considering the economy and fact that black dude are way more forgiving when it comes to a few extra pounds most of his clientele really couldn't find a reason to afford trainers.
Another aspect of these fatties... they change gyms pretty often depending upon whoever is running a special. Typically they eat like shit, train with little effort, go the cheapest gym possible and use any money saved for more junk food. A little time passes and they think a new trainer, gym or fad diet is going to help them lose weight. It's a fickle demographic. :)
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I understand that. But with us, it's not if the client is satisfied with us, it's if we are satisfied with them. They are reflection of US and if they can't conform to our criteria we simply send them on their way.
First off, I don't give up on any clients of mine and secondly I would never have the arrogant attitude of only training people I'm satisfied with and that's bad to have folks like you in the industry that have that mentality.
People come to personal trainers for help in dieting and exercise. Obviously, all of them are going to have trouble being consistent...otherwise they would not be that position. You have to go the extra mile and convince them that they need to exercise and eat right for their own health and well-being and be compassionate and forgiving when they fall off the bandwagon and put them right back on it. Real fitness professionals don't give up on their clients or think that their clients has to measure up to their standards.
Its obvious Coach that you don't spend more time training normal, everyday working class people rather than athletes and bodybuilders all the time.
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We make athletes realize their potential.........
60" jumps
Jumps like that produce 4.45 and 4.5 40's in high school athletes 8)
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We make athletes realize their potential.........
60" jumps
Jumps like that produce 4.45 and 4.5 40's in high school athletes 8)
Please tell me I didn't see a child jumping on a tractor tire. What kind of reckless sh@# is that??
Imagine if that kid's feet hit the side of the tire....he falls forward face first to the pavement. Better yet, what if you slipped and feel backwards??? The back of his head goes again into the pavement.
Lawsuit waiting to happen is what it is and no signed waiver will prevent it. Any judicial system will see that as reckless endangerment. I'd suggest you take the AFPA's certification course on child fitness.
Unbelievable....is this how you train kids???..... ::)
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First off, I don't give up on any clients of mine and secondly I would never have the arrogant attitude of only training people I'm satisfied with and that's bad to have folks like you in the industry that have that mentality.
People come to personal trainers for help in dieting and exercise. Obviously, all of them are going to have trouble being consistent...otherwise they would not be that position. You have to go the extra mile and convince them that they need to exercise and eat right for their own health and well-being and be compassionate and forgiving when they fall off the bandwagon and put them right back on it. Real fitness professionals don't give up on their clients or think that their clients has to measure up to their standards.
Its obvious Coach that you don't spend more time training normal, everyday working class people rather than athletes and bodybuilders all the time.
I don't train bodybuilders. Yes, we train "normal people" as well but they sign a contract when they start so they no what they are getting into. Training, any kind of training should be hard not easy, I'm not saying kill your client but make them realize what they can do and tell them IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY, if you give the anything less than the truth then you're just flat out lying to them. Lying to the client and making them think it's easy and leading them on, is just stealing their money and making YOU look bad. I'm not a cheerleader, if they don't have the commitment and tenacity I can't help them, but if the are serious and getting into shape and I see that, I'm there for them 1000%. I don't like whining, I hate complaining about every little thing and if thats the case, I will either pass them off to another of my trainers or fire them, they only make ME and MY company look bad. I'm to the point to where I don't need to take everyone who comes through the door.
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Please tell me I didn't see a child jumping on a tractor tire. What kind of reckless sh@# is that??
Imagine if that kid's feet hit the side of the tire....he falls forward face first to the pavement. Better yet, what if you slipped and feel backwards??? The back of his head goes again into the pavement.
Lawsuit waiting to happen is what it is and no signed waiver will prevent it. Any judicial system will see that as reckless endangerment. I'd suggest you take the AFPA's certification course on child fitness.
Unbelievable....is this how you train kids???..... ::)
Yes, imagine....it would hurt like hell! They are not children you idiot, they're 16 and 17 year old high school football players. 2 of those "children" have offers from damn near every D1 college in the country!!
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Look Vince, some more child abuse...this kid is 17 and has a offers for full rides to Duke, LMU and Chapman for Lacrosse
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Yes, imagine....it would hurt like hell! They are not children you idiot, they're 16 and 17 year old high school football players. 2 of those "children" have offers from damn near every D1 college in the country!!
That's correct and they are under the age of 18 which means you would be held liable by their parents because you're using non-standard equipment. Why aren't you using standard jump boxes.
Also you have an 11 year old kid pushing an SUV. Care to explain that???
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That's correct and they are under the age of 18 which means you would be held liable by their parents because you're using non-standard equipment. Why aren't you using standard jump boxes.
Also you have an 11 year old kid pushing an SUV. Care to explain that???
Yeah, it's my kid. Would you REALLY like to have a debate with me about training kids?
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I don't train bodybuilders. Yes, we train "normal people" as well but they sign a contract when they start so they no what they are getting into. Training, any kind of training should be hard not easy, I'm not saying kill your client but make them realize what they can do and tell them IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY, if you give the anything less than the truth then you're just flat out lying to them. Lying to the client and making them think it's easy and leading them on, is just stealing their money and making YOU look bad. I'm not a cheerleader, if they don't have the commitment and tenacity I can't help them, but if the are serious and getting into shape and I see that, I'm there for them 1000%. I don't like whining, I hate complaining about every little thing and if thats the case, I will either pass them off to another of my trainers or fire them, they only make ME and MY company look bad. I'm to the point to where I don't need to take everyone who comes through the door.
I have the opposite approach which is respect for the individual and going the extra mile to help those who struggle. Your job isn't to make your company look good, you're suppose to make your client look good and kicking them out the door actually makes you look bad because you gave up on them.
Some are going to give up because that's the odds of the game. Simply wish them well if they do but don't give them a foot in the ass. You may have a lot of clients now but you never know what the future holds
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Look Vince, some more child abuse...this kid is 17 and has a offers for full rides to Duke, LMU and Chapman for Lacrosse
Why would I take issue with that. That's a person working on standardized fitness equipment.
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Yeah, it's my kid. Would you REALLY like to have a debate with me about training kids?
If that's your kid, fine. Don't make someone elses kid push your truck around
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I have the opposite approach which is respect for the individual and going the extra mile to help those who struggle. Your job isn't to make your company look good, you're suppose to make your client look good and kicking them out the door actually makes you look bad because you gave up on them.
Some are going to give up because that's the odds of the game. Simply wish them well if they do but don't give them a foot in the ass. You may have a lot of clients now but you never know what the future holds
Sorry Vince but we're going to have to agree to disagree. Your clients are walking billboards for your business and that's how word of mouth advertising works in this business. This is a RESULTS related business and if you can't produce results and if the clients are stopping you from producing results by not doing what you ask OUTSIDE the gym as well as inside then whats the point? It's bad business to keep letting the client think he or she is doing a great job when no results are produced. It's a waste of my time and makes me look bad on the outside.
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If that's your kid, fine. Don't make someone elses kid push your truck around
I make all of kids push my truck. Using resistance jump bands is not standardized equipment.
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Sorry Vince but we're going to have to agree to disagree. Your clients are walking billboards for your business and that's how word of mouth advertising works in this business. This is a RESULTS related business and if you can't produce results and if the clients are stopping you from producing results by not doing what you ask OUTSIDE the gym as well as inside then whats the point? It's bad business to keep letting the client think he or she is doing a great job when no results are produced. It's a waste of my time and makes me look bad on the outside.
No true commitment to results hurts clients and trainers.
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Sorry Vince but we're going to have to agree to disagree. Your clients are walking billboards for your business and that's how word of mouth advertising works in this business. This is a RESULTS related business and if you can't produce results and if the clients are stopping you from producing results by not doing what you ask OUTSIDE the gym as well as inside then whats the point? It's bad business to keep letting the client think he or she is doing a great job when no results are produced. It's a waste of my time and makes me look bad on the outside.
Who says to tell them they are doing a great job when they are not??? When that's occurs, I give positive reinforcement to them to do better. However I don't believe in being critical of my clientele or throwing them out the door. Some are going to struggle and some will give up and if they do, then that's really on that person, its not a reflection of my training because I did my job.
Of course, my general routines may not use barbells and dumbells but they will know from the start that they are getting a workout and their money's worth that's for sure. This summer I'll be using my new little tools, the Lebert Buddy Straps and Adjustable Kettlebells. Believe me Joe, I know how to get people results and I do it my way.
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no offense to vince or johnny or any other personal trainer, But i think the diference is JME is old school compared to you guys, i get the feeling that he would be driving a busted old chevette living in the back of his gym doing this for little to no money where i see a lot of other trainers who wouldnt be doing it if they didnt think they where going to be getting rich from it.
But really its apples and oranges JME trains athelets which i dont really think clasifys as "personal trainer" and more as a strength coach. where as if yoru training houswives and bankers you are a personal trainer.
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Just to add Vince, I would NEVER have any of athletes attemt anything I didn't they capable of doing.
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WTF is a collegiate diploma??
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WTF is a collegiate diploma??
HAHAHAHA :D :o
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WTF is a collegiate diploma??
There are no personal training certifications accredited however the Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth College is which is why I've been taking the courses since Feb 2009 and I took up the program. It gives my credentials more weight and its good to have the additional knowledge of other health subjects on my way to doing my degree.
And a collegiate diploma is a diploma from a college...just like a high school diploma is from a high school... ::)
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Just to add Vince, I would NEVER have any of athletes attemt anything I didn't they capable of doing.
Its more of a legal issue, Joe and you need to change your methods slightly. An attorney can't find you liable if you were using standard jump boxes but tractor tires and pushing cars are another thing as they could easily make it out as you being reckless. That kid may not sue but those parents might for whatever reason if they even scrape their knee
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I work with agents for my pros that are attornys, I have to carry no less than $5mil in liability.
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First off, I don't give up on any clients of mine and secondly I would never have the arrogant attitude of only training people I'm satisfied with and that's bad to have folks like you in the industry that have that mentality.
People come to personal trainers for help in dieting and exercise. Obviously, all of them are going to have trouble being consistent...otherwise they would not be that position. You have to go the extra mile and convince them that they need to exercise and eat right for their own health and well-being and be compassionate and forgiving when they fall off the bandwagon and put them right back on it. Real fitness professionals don't give up on their clients or think that their clients has to measure up to their standards.
Its obvious Coach that you don't spend more time training normal, everyday working class people rather than athletes and bodybuilders all the time.
hahahahaaha nice comeback dummy. You have NO clients. Who do you think you are kidding. There is no way in hell anyone would hire you except someone who is as stupid as you are. Someone who actually believes the shit coming out of you cum hole. Dude you would never ever make it as a PT in a real gym. Like I said you are dangerous.
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Who says to tell them they are doing a great job when they are not??? When that's occurs, I give positive reinforcement to them to do better. However I don't believe in being critical of my clientele or throwing them out the door. Some are going to struggle and some will give up and if they do, then that's really on that person, its not a reflection of my training because I did my job.
Of course, my general routines may not use barbells and dumbells but they will know from the start that they are getting a workout and their money's worth that's for sure. This summer I'll be using my new little tools, the Lebert Buddy Straps and Adjustable Kettlebells. Believe me Joe, I know how to get people results and I do it my way.
We already know you don't lift weights or use dumbbells or barbells. I gotta give you this, you can shit with the best of them. To bad most of the people on here are quite a bit smarter than the neighbors you push your shit too. Again, post up just pone client who can prove they are clients and would vouch for just one positive thing you do for them.
The only thing you can do is stand in front of someone while they are lifting and repeatedly say "keep going or you are going to look like me". That would be enough motivation
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You take that chance with anyone, that's what the insurance is for. But when ther kid gets full ride scholarships or my college athletes get invite for NLF combines (that I will be going to this month) the idea of lawsuits goes away REAL quick!! Will I change my training methods? Don't know, I do one hell of a lot of research on training, if I feel something might work, I will try it especially if commonsense is involved. Vince, you even realize the reason why I have these guys push trucks, pull sleds jump 60" boxes or tires translates to performance wise?
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You take that chance with anyone, that's what the insurance is for. But when ther kid gets full ride scholarships or my college athletes get invite for NLF combines (that I will be going to this month) the idea of lawsuits goes away REAL quick!! Will I change my training methods? Don't know, I do one hell of a lot of research on training, if I feel something might work, I will try it especially if commonsense is involved. Vince, you even realize the reason why I have these guys push trucks, pull sleds jump 60" boxes or tires translates to performance wise?
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This thread should only be posted in by seasoned trainers.
By the time I have trained a woman for two or three years, she basically knows everything I know. She could start her own business and do quite well.
The point for me is, once I am not instructing you or educating you farther, I am only cheerleading and holding you accountable for the appointment.
Fuck that, yeah, I'll take you money, but its out of apathy. Attrition also comes to mind. It's not that I don't care anymore, there are just others that can fill those slots that have not yet graduated to the "I need a rep-counting-cheerleade" status. New blood is always more exciting than the old blood. The new stuff has an open mind. I want clients who are serious. I want clients who improve.
I'm out in a different part of the ballpark here. I don't want lifetime clients that can't go away. They have to be weaned off the titty.
Those are the ones I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with "not caring"
As far as "knowing it all"... been there, studied that, applied this, empirical data counted that... I still have a shitload to learn. Once I "know everything" the fun will be gone. I know more than enough to get people in the shape they want to be in.
ALl they have to do is be serious, listen, and apply. It aint rocket science. Its a committment, and THAT my friendies, is something very few people understand.
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"Well, I'll have a Collegiate Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth University in a few months soon followed by a Bachelor's in Health next year. "
A "collegiate diploma" is obviously not a College Degree, which is why I asked what it is. Whatever it is, it probably isn't worth much more than toilet paper, especially from a "university" like that.
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"Well, I'll have a Collegiate Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth University in a few months soon followed by a Bachelor's in Health next year. "
A "collegiate diploma" is obviously not a College Degree, which is why I asked what it is. Whatever it is, it probably isn't worth much more than toilet paper, especially from a "university" like that.
Unlike my current PT certifications and the other ones out there, this one is recognized by the US Dept of Education and regionally accredited. No its not a degree as I'm still working on it but its a valuable boost to my credentials. Considering that I had to switch careers paths a few years ago, I'm not doing too bad
Of course it isn't a degree...otherwise I would have SAID IT... ::)
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You take that chance with anyone, that's what the insurance is for. But when ther kid gets full ride scholarships or my college athletes get invite for NLF combines (that I will be going to this month) the idea of lawsuits goes away REAL quick!! Will I change my training methods? Don't know, I do one hell of a lot of research on training, if I feel something might work, I will try it especially if commonsense is involved. Vince, you even realize the reason why I have these guys push trucks, pull sleds jump 60" boxes or tires translates to performance wise?
That's what you're doing and one person can ruin your whole business and a lawyer would have a field day in court when you explain to them as to why you had under-aged children jumping tractor tires. However, they can't say anything if you were using jump boxes and if you have that equipment already then there's need for the latter.
The only thing I'm saying is to use standardized equipment. Push a weighed sled...not a car. Use
jump boxes, not tractor tires. When they turn 18, then do what you please but with the economy these days and people losing their homes, a lot of parents would jump at the opportunity to sue regardless to whether it would ruin their kids chances of getting in school
And yes I understand plyometric exercises which is what jumping on tires are doing to increase agility and vertical but I don't use any type of non-standard equipment.
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Melvin, if you are not a qualified PE teacher what makes you qualified to offer advice here?
Ashworth College is an on line college where you can get degrees, diplomas, etc. I am not impressed by this standard. Can't you find a legitimate college or university and actually get proper qualifications?
http://www.ashworthcollege.edu/programs/career-diploma/fitness-exercise/
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Melvin, if you are not a qualified PE teacher what makes you qualified to offer advice here?
Ashworth College is an on line college where you can get degrees, diplomas, etc. I am not impressed by this standard. Can't you find a legitimate college or university and actually get proper qualifications?
http://www.ashworthcollege.edu/programs/career-diploma/fitness-exercise/
While I work on my degree, I can pick up a few other things along the way. This diploma is recognized by the US Dept of Education which goes a lot longer way than any personal trainer certification out there which is why I took the course, Basile. BTW, the US Dept of Education IS THE STANDARD..... ::)
I also didn't take the course to IMPRESS you. If I wanted to do that then I would mail you a copy of Disney's Oliver Twist since you like to see kids dancing around in the street.
In addition, there's no difference between doing coursework from home and doing it at a college except that you have to be self motivated and capable of doing work independently as I am.
And as far as the PE teacher comment is concerned, when is the last time you've seen a PE teacher make kids jumped on a set of stacked tractor tires?? The principal would fire that person on the spot if he saw that happening at his school.
There's no additional benefit in using tractor tires over a jump box however its much more dangerous since its not a flat surface and there's a hole in the middle
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someone put this thread out of its misery...what a bunch of fucking nonsense...
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Melvin, spare us the bullshit. You haven't studied exercise science at a genuine university so what would you know? What does the US Dept of Ed know about certifying personal trainers? I see them all the time at my gym and most don't know much at all.
Why not take a course that would impress an exercise scientist?
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Melvin, spare us the bullshit. You haven't studied exercise science at a genuine university so what would you know? What does the US Dept of Ed know about certifying personal trainers? I see them all the time at my gym and most don't know much at all.
Why not take a course that would impress an exercise scientist?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education
Now stop pestering me about qualifications. Fact is that I'm already a certified personal trainer and I've been certified since 2002 but I have to remain competitive in this economy and this will bolster my resume more than any PT certification will ever do
And again, I'm not taking courses to IMPRESS anyone. Simply, I'm learning new stuff to grow my business, bolster my resume, and move forward with other ventures. Its affordable, accredited, and the coursework is challenging.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education
Now stop pestering me about qualifications. Fact is that I'm already a certified personal trainer and I've been certified since 2002 but I have to remain competitive in this economy and this will bolster my resume more than any PT certification will ever do
Vince..anyone willing to drop 3k on your expertise is crazier than you are...where is the proof of your expertise regarding online business?
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Vince..anyone willing to drop 3k on your expertise is crazier than you are...where is the proof of your expertise regarding online business?
If you are referring to the business seminars, its for folks in network marketing that want to build their business up in a area but don't know how to do it. I come down there and host their business meeting in a hotel using a flash point presentation and explain not only the product but also the business opportunity of network marketing for others to sign up become an IBO.
For the amount of work and the return that person can get off of my business presentations warrants the amount of money I charge.
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If you are referring to the business seminars, its for folks in network marketing that want to build their business up in a area but don't know how to do it. I come down there and host their business meeting in a hotel using a flash point presentation and explain not only the product but also the business opportunity of network marketing for others to sign up become an IBO.
For the amount of work and the return that person can get off of my business presentations warrants the amount of money I charge.
exactly what i am talking about....what area of expertise are you offering? how to setup a online business? or how to setup a successful online business...i would hope if i am dropping 3k on someone they can at least show me a track record of successful business operations...Can you do that?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education
Now stop pestering me about qualifications. Fact is that I'm already a certified personal trainer and I've been certified since 2002 but I have to remain competitive in this economy and this will bolster my resume more than any PT certification will ever do
And again, I'm not taking courses to IMPRESS anyone. Simply, I'm learning new stuff to grow my business, bolster my resume, and move forward with other ventures. Its affordable, accredited, and the coursework is challenging.
I see the full-of-shit Goodrum is already posting crap early in the morning. Why can't you figure it out that you are worthless and no matter how much shit comes out of your cum-hole it will NOT change the fact you are full of shit. Again, show us just one client that will step forward in your defense. JUST ONE! You can't you stupid fuck. Peddle your bullshit on another board. EVERYONE on Getbig knows you are full of shit. Not one person supports anything you say on here. Why do you come back for more beatings. Are you really that stupid. Opps sorry I know you are that stupid, dumb question question on my part. Go suck off Vissy. You are truly not qualified to post anything regarding health, fitness, personal training, working out, bodybuilding, or anything else. Just cocking sucking and butt fucking you are qualified for. Start some threads on the Porno Board.
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exactly what i am talking about....what area of expertise are you offering? how to setup a online business? or how to setup a successful online business...i would hope if i am dropping 3k on someone they can at least show me a track record of successful business operations...Can you do that?
NO he cannot. her has NEVER ever done a seminar where anyone has paid him. He should just put $100,000. He would get the same amount of takers. He could not get 2 people (including his lover Vissy) to come to a seminar for free. Now if he did it on "how to be a loser and put bullshit letters after your name" he may be able to sell it out.
Hey I think I am going to charge $5,000 on seminars about being skinny and get abs. I would get the same amount of takers as he has. Shit I would probably get more ;D
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NO he cannot. her has NEVER ever done a seminar where anyone has paid him. He should just put $100,000. He would get the same amount of takers. He could not get 2 people (including his lover Vissy) to come to a seminar for free. Now if he did it on "how to be a loser and put bullshit letters after your name" he may be able to sell it out.
Hey I think I am going to charge $5,000 on seminars about being skinny and get abs. I would get the same amount of takers as he has. Shit I would probably get more ;D
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Goodrum you obviously have nothing going on in your life as you are always on here or other forums posting rubbish ::)
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Whats funny Goodrum is I was fat as hell there. And I sat there and had a constant flow of old friends coming up to me seeing how I was doing and wishing me luck and talking about the old days. Had people constantly in our booth and had a team of guys in there helping us out including the former owner of the largest gym chain in the world, a former top BB, owner of one of the largest home gym equipment companies in the world, a former world karate champion and actor. See they did that cause they know that I have experience, knowledge and know this industry no matter how fat I was. See that is something you could never ever do. You could not get one person to support you ever. I highly doubt you could get anyone to work with you even if you paid them. You have NO respect from anyone in this industry. NONE! Pure and simple you are a huge joke to everyone. See I talk about my past cause my past gets me things you can only bullshit to people about. I think I would rather look like me and get the respect I get from the people who matter in this industry than be anything like you. You are the epitome of a failure and a loser. the ONLY thing you are good for is to make fun of because you are so easy. So keep it coming. I am having a blast.
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Whats funny Goodrum is I was fat as hell there. And I sat there and had a constant flow of old friends coming up to me seeing how I was doing and wishing me luck and talking about the old days. Had people constantly in our booth and had a team of guys in there helping us out including the former owner of the largest gym chain in the world, a former top BB, owner of one of the largest home gym equipment companies in the world, a former world karate champion and actor. See they did that cause they know that I have experience, knowledge and know this industry no matter how fat I was. See that is something you could never ever do. You could not get one person to support you ever. I highly doubt you could get anyone to work with you even if you paid them. You have NO respect from anyone in this industry. NONE! Pure and simple you are a huge joke to everyone. See I talk about my past cause my past gets me things you can only bullshit to people about. I think I would rather look like me and get the respect I get from the people who matter in this industry than be anything like you. You are the epitome of a failure and a loser. the ONLY thing you are good for is to make fun of because you are so easy. So keep it coming. I am having a blast.
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You do realize that I can and am getting back into shape no matter how long it takes. You on the pothner hand can no way ever be in any kind of shape that would get any kind of respect or admiration. NEVER! you were born a loser, grew up a loser, currently is a loser and will end up being a loser. That is your destiny. You are the only person who can consider being made fun of constantly, be spit on, made a fool, and still think they like you and admire you. Once trailer trash always trailer trash.
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You do realize that I can and am getting back into shape no matter how long it takes. You on the pothner hand can no way ever be in any kind of shape that would get any kind of respect or admiration. NEVER! you were born a loser, grew up a loser, currently is a loser and will end up being a loser. That is your destiny. You are the only person who can consider being made fun of constantly, be spit on, made a fool, and still think they like you and admire you. Once trailer trash always trailer trash.
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Vince you could have a hundred degrees and you still wont be a trainer
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Vince you could have a hundred degrees and you still wont be a trainer
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I fail to see the relevance of this post Vince.
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Not quite following the logic train either.
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In short, it focuses on "trainers" who come off as experts and want to bypass the "in the trenches" training it takes to become an "expert". People who would rather write articles about training to try to get a name for themselves and capitalize on the industry instead of actually training.
Hey Coach what college degree/s do u hold?
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I fail to see the relevance of this post Vince.
Look a bit closer and you'll see ;D
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Hey Coach what college degree/s do u hold?
Gone over this many times on here but will go over it again. I came up about 6-8 months short from a BS in kinesiology, physiology and exercise science I quit because I got married (wife #1 ;D) and regret it. Life took over and never went back to complete it. That being said, having a college degree will never translate into practical knowledge. Over the years and every year, I spend thousands going to training seminars, symposiums, mentorship programs and conventions to learn what ever I can from the best in athletic strength and performance. If you don't learn from the best you will never be the best no matter how many degrees, certs or whatever you have. Results is what counts in the end!
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Hey Vince I actually make money training
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Gone over this many times on here but will go over it again. I came up about 6-8 months short from a BS in kinesiology, physiology and exercise science I quit because I got married (wife #1 ;D) and regret it. Life took over and never went back to complete it. That being said, having a college degree will never translate into practical knowledge. Over the years and every year, I spend thousands going to training seminars, symposiums, mentorship programs and conventions to learn what ever I can from the best in athletic strength and performance. If you don't learn from the best you will never be the best no matter how many degrees, certs or whatever you have. Results is what counts in the end!
Well, it looks like we have something in common I was 6 months out from a degree in Engineering. This is where I'm getting my degree from. Accredited by the US Dept of Education and your credits should transfer over so you don't have to take English, Math, etc again
http://thomasedison.edu/
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Well, it looks like we have something in common I was 6 months out from a degree in Engineering. This is where I'm getting my degree from. Accredited by the US Dept of Education and your credits should transfer over so you don't have to take English, Math, etc again
http://thomasedison.edu/
Vince are you going to enter any BB contests this year?
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Vince are you going to enter any BB contests this year?
I'm doing the NGA Night of Champions again
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Gone over this many times on here but will go over it again. I came up about 6-8 months short from a BS in kinesiology, physiology and exercise science I quit because I got married (wife #1 ;D) and regret it. Life took over and never went back to complete it. That being said, having a college degree will never translate into practical knowledge. Over the years and every year, I spend thousands going to training seminars, symposiums, mentorship programs and conventions to learn what ever I can from the best in athletic strength and performance. If you don't learn from the best you will never be the best no matter how many degrees, certs or whatever you have. Results is what counts in the end!
Reasonable answer. Ever tempted to finish being so close?
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Reasonable answer. Ever tempted to finish being so close?
Yes, I'm always tempted and even a little jealous at those who have completed their degree especially when I walk on the campus at USC or when I go to the University of Kentucky, BU or Long Beach St. and think I wish I could have experienced the college life. My wife is the degree holder in our family with a BS in Biology from UK and just finished received her teaching credentials. (had her degree for 10 years but decided 2 years ago she might want to teach)
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Vince, your college isn't accredited. Your college credit is worth ZERO.
http://thomasedison.edu/6566.php
You made $6k last year. That's $125 a WEEK. How can a grown man live like that? I can only imagine the "house" you live in.
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Yes, I'm always tempted and even a little jealous at those who have completed their degree especially when I walk on the campus at USC or when I go to the University of Kentucky, BU or Long Beach St. and think I wish I could have experienced the college life. My wife is the degree holder in our family with a BS in Biology from UK and just finished received her teaching credentials. (had her degree for 10 years but decided 2 years ago she might want to teach)
You're still a young guy. Recently saw a 90 yo graduating from college on the news.
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You're still a young guy. Recently saw a 90 yo graduating from college on the news.
Joe Namath did it and he was what....65
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Well, it looks like we have something in common I was 6 months out from a degree in Engineering. This is where I'm getting my degree from. Accredited by the US Dept of Education and your credits should transfer over so you don't have to take English, Math, etc again
http://thomasedison.edu/
Hey ignorant asshole. You have nothing in common with anyone on here. you have nothing! you can try as hard as you can to justify your stupidity but in the end you have NOTHING! By the way I took a shit this morning and I swear I thought I heard you say something to me as I flushed you down the toilet.
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Hey ignorant asshole. You have nothing in common with anyone on here. you have nothing! you can try as hard as you can to justify your stupidity but in the end you have NOTHING! By the way I took a shit this morning and I swear I thought I heard you say something to me as I flushed you down the toilet.
That is just wrong! ;D :D :o
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Vince, your college isn't accredited. Your college credit is worth ZERO.
http://thomasedison.edu/6566.php
You made $6k last year. That's $125 a WEEK. How can a grown man live like that? I can only imagine the "house" you live in.
Its regionally accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools which is recognized by the US Dept of Education since 1977. What you are reading is an accreditation for a specific teaching degree..... ::)
Just for the people out there who never went to college, they are either nationally or regionally accredited and not all credits are inter-changeable with each other but you're usually not going to get both. The schools you have to watch out for are the ones that accredit themselves or not approved by the US Dept of Education
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Hey ignorant asshole. You have nothing in common with anyone on here. you have nothing! you can try as hard as you can to justify your stupidity but in the end you have NOTHING! By the way I took a shit this morning and I swear I thought I heard you say something to me as I flushed you down the toilet.
By toilet, I'm assuming you're referring to the Pacific Ocean because we all know you can't fit on the seat...... ;D
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Its regionally accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools which is recognized by the US Dept of Education since 1977. What you are reading is an accreditation for a specific teaching degree..... ::)
Just for the people out there who never went to college, they are either nationally or regionally accredited and not all credits are inter-changeable with each other but you're usually not going to get both. The schools you have to watch out for are the ones that accredit themselves or not approved by the US Dept of Education
Well you can add to the colleges to look out for, the ones that would give you anything. those schools need to be looked in to because all they do is hand out useless pieces of paper to people like you who have no business in the industry.
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Its regionally accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools which is recognized by the US Dept of Education since 1977. What you are reading is an accreditation for a specific teaching degree..... ::)
Just for the people out there who never went to college, they are either nationally or regionally accredited and not all credits are inter-changeable with each other but you're usually not going to get both. The schools you have to watch out for are the ones that accredit themselves or not approved by the US Dept of Education
The problem is with this is Vince (and schools like this), if you ever wanted to transfer to an actual University the credits you earned with this school will not be recognized and you will more than likely have to start over.
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Damn, this thread got boring as hell. Can't believe it's a five pager.
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The problem is with this is Vince (and schools like this), if you ever wanted to transfer to an actual University the credits you earned with this school will not be recognized and you will more than likely have to start over.
You'll have that trouble anyway as colleges for the most part are private institutions and every one has different little groups. My Mars Hill College credit didn't transfer anywhere and only some of my ITT credits can be transferred. You just have to figure out how far you want to go in education and then you can draw a path to it.
As far as Edison is concerned, it is accredited but if you plan to proceed to a Masters then check with Edison and then check with the college you will go to afterwards as to whether your credits will transfer. That's just the way colleges are. They play the credit game with you so you'll stay within their network of school and keep the money there with them
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You'll have that trouble anyway as colleges for the most part are private institutions and every one has different little groups. My Mars Hill College credit didn't transfer anywhere and only some of my ITT credits can be transferred. You just have to figure out how far you want to go in education and then you can draw a path to it.
As far as Edison is concerned, it is accredited but if you plan to proceed to a Masters then check with Edison and then check with the college you will go to afterwards as to whether your credits will transfer. That's just the way colleges are. They play the credit game with you so you'll stay within their network of school and keep the money there with them
Is ITT tech a real college? I always see those commercials and feel very sorry for the people that supposedly attend "that place".
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ITT is for people that cant pass the third grade, jesus christ you just went from pathetic to helpless.
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ITT is for people that cant pass the third grade, jesus christ you just went from pathetic to helpless.
I figured that but i have never known anyone to attend ITT.
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you know, i've been reading vince's posts for quite sometime now and i notice that not once has he mentioned anything about being attracted to a girl
he is kinda non-sexual
it's like all this time he spends on the interweb talking about his shitty certs and he never thinks about women- what kinda existence is that?
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you know, i've been reading vince's posts for quite sometime now and i notice that not once has he mentioned anything about being attracted to a girl
he is kinda non-sexual
it's like all this time he spends on the interweb talking about his shitty certs and he never thinks about women- what kinda existence is that?
It would have to be a very lonely one!! I just cracked one off to the Jamie Eason thread. :D
Just imagine Eason and Munn naked in the same room! :o
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It would have to be a very lonely one!! I just cracked one off to the Jamie Eason thread. :D
Just imagine Eason and Munn naked in the same room! :o
i admire your vision
that is like having a pizza topped with ice cream
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i admire your vision
that is like having a pizza topped with ice cream
Then i start to think about the Fox News women naked also. :D
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I admit that's one of reasons I watch FOX news:))
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you know, i've been reading vince's posts for quite sometime now and i notice that not once has he mentioned anything about being attracted to a girl
he is kinda non-sexual
it's like all this time he spends on the interweb talking about his shitty certs and he never thinks about women- what kinda existence is that?
I exposed him last year. he is gay. His lover is a pale white twink named Queer Vissy.
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Is ITT tech a real college? I always see those commercials and feel very sorry for the people that supposedly attend "that place".
Lockheed Martin thinks so. I got a job there while I was still attending. Then I worked as an engineer and Ikon and then Alltel came calling a few years later. Needless to say, was laid off from all three of the places which is why I'm running my fitness business solely.
ITT is a real college but the fact is that companies look more for raw talent and the ability to perform the job well which is what I had.
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I exposed him last year. he is gay. His lover is a pale white twink named Queer Vissy.
No you didn't, fatso... ::)
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Lockheed Martin thinks so. I got a job there while I was still attending. Then I worked as an engineer and Ikon and then Alltel came calling a few years later. Needless to say, was laid off from all three of the places which is why I'm running my fitness business solely.
ITT is a real college but the fact is that companies look more for raw talent and the ability to perform the job well which is what I had.
bullshit , more like job at waffle house, gay negroid
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Melvin enters a contest and claims he is a bodybuilder. He enrols in some on line college and considers himself educated. A short while ago he announced he had obtained a PhD degree in metaphysics and was working on another PhD as well. This guy lives in a trailer and dreams up scheme after scheme where he tries to get something for nothing. He is always telling us what he is GONNA do and clearly he never completed college or won a bodybuilding title.
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Lockheed Martin thinks so. I got a job there while I was still attending. Then I worked as an engineer and Ikon and then Alltel came calling a few years later. Needless to say, was laid off from all three of the places which is why I'm running my fitness business solely.
ITT is a real college but the fact is that companies look more for raw talent and the ability to perform the job well which is what I had.
What the hell were you engineering?
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Yeah, the high tech companies were 'calling' on Melvin's services. I think someone suggested he did security work or was the janitor there. Probably not the latter because he wouldn't be capable of getting a ticket to maintain machines, etc.
I think Melvin lost all credibility when he stepped on stage looking like an untrained buffoon when just a week before he was claiming he had Muntzer-like conditioning. What a joke. Now if he was just pulling our legs then the laugh is on us. He is trying way too hard to regain some respect and just misses by a whisker!
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Yeah, the high tech companies were 'calling' on Melvin's services. I think someone suggested he did security work or was the janitor there. Probably not the latter because he wouldn't be capable of getting a ticket to maintain machines, etc.
I think Melvin lost all credibility when he stepped on stage looking like an untrained buffoon when just a week before he was claiming he had Muntzer-like conditioning. What a joke. Now if he was just pulling our legs then the laugh is on us. He is trying way too hard to regain some respect and just misses by a whisker!
maybe when he spoke of muntzer-like conditioning he meant when muntzer was in his casket.
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What the hell were you engineering?
Mainly computer and electronic systems. Obviously, I can't discuss anything I did at Lockheed however at Ikon, I worked Oce Copiers, Printers, Scanners and later on I worked on Canon Brand before I was laid off. Alltel was nothing but cell phones, internet cards so it was a breeze. I ran Caliber Fitness as a side gig but I was able to go full speed with it because I got a nice severance package from Alltel and I sold all of my stocks I invested as I was putting 15% of my paycheck into the stock purchase plan.
I'm pretty good at computers and etc and I would actually rather be doing that than running a fitness business but that's the way things are and I made the best of it. Its nice to a steady business, I control my own hourse and I don't worry about being laid off or etc. Its just the cards are dealt
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Melvin enters a contest and claims he is a bodybuilder. He enrols in some on line college and considers himself educated. A short while ago he announced he had obtained a PhD degree in metaphysics and was working on another PhD as well. This guy lives in a trailer and dreams up scheme after scheme where he tries to get something for nothing. He is always telling us what he is GONNA do and clearly he never completed college or won a bodybuilding title.
You're bitter because you never made it big in bodybuilding. Your greatest accomplishment was the 1970 Mr Canada but then you were dead last at the Australian Pro which you claimed was fixed by Arnold Schwartznegger and never turned pro.
All you have left is your chubby girlfriend, your pink and purple gym, and your internet friendships with Getbig Trolls and other washed up people like Onlyme....... ;D
That's some real stuff for you to consider, grandpa.....
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Mainly computer and electronic systems. Obviously, I can't discuss anything I did at Lockheed however at Ikon, I worked Oce Copiers, Printers, Scanners and later on I worked on Canon Brand before I was laid off. Alltel was nothing but cell phones, internet cards so it was a breeze. I ran Caliber Fitness as a side gig but I was able to go full speed with it because I got a nice severance package from Alltel and I sold all of my stocks I invested as I was putting 15% of my paycheck into the stock purchase plan.
I'm pretty good at computers and etc and I would actually rather be doing that than running a fitness business but that's the way things are and I made the best of it. Its nice to a steady business, I control my own hourse and I don't worry about being laid off or etc. Its just the cards are dealt
why did you leave lockheed? that sounds like a pretty good gig as compared to IKON...IKON got gobbled up by RICOH and their crap machines...
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why did you leave lockheed? that sounds like a pretty good gig as compared to IKON...IKON got gobbled up by RICOH and their crap machines...
Lockheed was a great gig but I was laid off but I wasn't surprised because they do that all the time and they tell you that before you even get there. But I got to see some pretty cool shit while I was there that some people would kill to see.
Ikon had slow sales so they laid off me a about 9 other engineers and closed up their repair facility in Piedmont where I worked. Now all they do sell those piece of shit Ricoh machines. They are easy as fuck to fix but they do break down easily. A Canon machine would go for years at a time before something happened to it and usually it was be the fuser lamp coils or dirty mirrors which took me only an hour to repair.
Alltel was bought out by Verizon but to look more profitable they closed down 2 of their regional offices at which I was unfortunate to work at the one in Greenville. That one I would say was the worst because it was broadcasted on the news and there were a bunch of news cameras and shit outside filming all of us leaving out the door for the last time. Over 300 people including myself got the the shaft rather than the elevator that day.
Its prob worse than it was before but I don't have to worry about it anymore
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I am interested in getting a degree in metaphysics...
Does Aleister Crowley teach the class?
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you know, i've been reading vince's posts for quite sometime now and i notice that not once has he mentioned anything about being attracted to a girl.
What would be the point?
Making 6k a year at a job with no benefits is not exactly an aphrodisiac to women.
This thread confirms what I've been saying, here, for years: Personal Training is not a career. It's something to do for awhile until you can figure out a better way to make a living.
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Lockheed Martin thinks so. I got a job there while I was still attending. Then I worked as an engineer and Ikon and then Alltel came calling a few years later. Needless to say, was laid off from all three of the places which is why I'm running my fitness business solely.
ITT is a real college but the fact is that companies look more for raw talent and the ability to perform the job well which is what I had.
hahahaha more bullshit from our resident delusionalite. You fucking moron got getting fired for laid-off. Yea right you were an engineer. It is called "clean the fucking toilets engineering" You know how many jobs you have told us you have had. You are only 31 years old and been fired from every job you ever had. Even normal people out there hate you. Please kill yourself
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Vince, I noticed you only charge $30.00 per session, you can turn that $30.00 into $90.00 if you did triples. I don't know how many you train people you train per day, but $90hr is a hell of a lot better than $30.
Services
Personal Training: $30.00 dollars per session (Jackson County Residents Only). Please call to schedule an appointment as available times are limited. All sessions will be conducted at the Jackson County Recreation Center.
Online Personal Training: $15.00 a month. Includes customized training routine, nutritional meal plan, and journal software.
Business Seminars: Are you having trouble marketing a nutritional supplement for your network marketing business. If so then pick up the phone and give me a call. My group seminars will give you and the members of your organization all the information and instruction to sucessfully market your nutritional supplements and ultimately build your downline.
Fee: $3000.00 USD
Note: A 1000.00 non-refundable retainer is required to reserve your date. If your location is more than 50 miles away from Sylva, NC then additional travel expenses are required, either .20 per business mile or round trip business class airfare from Atlanta GA. Hotel and food expenses are also required if an overnight stay is nessesary. I am also available for travel to Dubai and other international countries.
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Vince why cant you talk about mopping up toilets at Lockeed?
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maybe when he spoke of muntzer-like conditioning he meant when muntzer was in his casket.
Because of Goodrum's uneducated sounding voice, inner tube sized lips and back-hills inbreeding it sounded like he said Munzer-like Conditioning. But in reality he said Munster-like Conditioning. So he did acheive that
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Lockheed was a great gig but I was laid off but I wasn't surprised because they do that all the time and they tell you that before you even get there. But I got to see some pretty cool shit while I was there that some people would kill to see.
Ikon had slow sales so they laid off me a about 9 other engineers and closed up their repair facility in Piedmont where I worked. Now all they do sell those piece of shit Ricoh machines. They are easy as fuck to fix but they do break down easily. A Canon machine would go for years at a time before something happened to it and usually it was be the fuser lamp coils or dirty mirrors which took me only an hour to repair.
Alltel was bought out by Verizon but to look more profitable they closed down 2 of their regional offices at which I was unfortunate to work at the one in Greenville. That one I would say was the worst because it was broadcasted on the news and there were a bunch of news cameras and shit outside filming all of us leaving out the door for the last time. Over 300 people including myself got the the shaft rather than the elevator that day.
Its prob worse than it was before but I don't have to worry about it anymore
Holy shit! It just flows from your cum-hole doesn't it. You got FIRED cause you knew nothing and couldn't even clean the toilets good. And you might think people would kill to see what you saw but not all of us is into seeing dried shit on the ring of a toilet bowl. No thanks. I bet you got the shaft alright. How shafts did you get that day. jeez Goodrum it is nice you include all of us in your fairly tales but it is getting out of hand.
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Vince, I noticed you only charge $30.00 per session, you can turn that $30.00 into $90.00 if you did triples. I don't know how many you train people you train per day, but $90hr is a hell of a lot better than $30.
Services
Personal Training: $30.00 dollars per session (Jackson County Residents Only). Please call to schedule an appointment as available times are limited. All sessions will be conducted at the Jackson County Recreation Center.
Online Personal Training: $15.00 a month. Includes customized training routine, nutritional meal plan, and journal software.
Business Seminars: Are you having trouble marketing a nutritional supplement for your network marketing business. If so then pick up the phone and give me a call. My group seminars will give you and the members of your organization all the information and instruction to sucessfully market your nutritional supplements and ultimately build your downline.
Fee: $3000.00 USD
Note: A 1000.00 non-refundable retainer is required to reserve your date. If your location is more than 50 miles away from Sylva, NC then additional travel expenses are required, either .20 per business mile or round trip business class airfare from Atlanta GA. Hotel and food expenses are also required if an overnight stay is nessesary. I am also available for travel to Dubai and other international countries.
Holy fuck Coach what the hell are you doing. You are feeding the fire that is Goodrum. Don't give him any ideas. Now he is going to come back with some non-witty response why he is fair and doesn't like to take advantage or something like that. He might have " offed" himself today till you gave him another idea.
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Holy fuck Coach what the hell are you doing. You are feeding the fire that is Goodrum. Don't give him any ideas. Now he is going to come back with some non-witty response why he is fair and doesn't like to take advantage or something like that. He might have " offed" himself today till you gave him another idea.
LOL.....sorry!
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Vince, I noticed you only charge $30.00 per session, you can turn that $30.00 into $90.00 if you did triples. I don't know how many you train people you train per day, but $90hr is a hell of a lot better than $30.
Services
Personal Training: $30.00 dollars per session (Jackson County Residents Only). Please call to schedule an appointment as available times are limited. All sessions will be conducted at the Jackson County Recreation Center.
Online Personal Training: $15.00 a month. Includes customized training routine, nutritional meal plan, and journal software.
Business Seminars: Are you having trouble marketing a nutritional supplement for your network marketing business. If so then pick up the phone and give me a call. My group seminars will give you and the members of your organization all the information and instruction to sucessfully market your nutritional supplements and ultimately build your downline.
Fee: $3000.00 USD
Note: A 1000.00 non-refundable retainer is required to reserve your date. If your location is more than 50 miles away from Sylva, NC then additional travel expenses are required, either .20 per business mile or round trip business class airfare from Atlanta GA. Hotel and food expenses are also required if an overnight stay is nessesary. I am also available for travel to Dubai and other international countries.
Yeah, it sucks ass but the rates are set by Jackson County so I don't have any control over the rates for training people there. I am however thinking about doing group training using the Lebert Bars and changing 5 dollars a head to see how that goes. My fees for home personal training is $100 dollars a session with discounts on package deals however I won't be doing any home training until spring which is why I don't have that listed.
As far as online training, I use the same thing you use, Coach which is Fitness Generator. Its a great service and easy to maintain
Just to let you folks know, my primary income is from my fitness stores and my affiliate sites and forums I run. There's really not enough business in Sylva to make a living doing personal training.
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Holy shit! It just flows from your cum-hole doesn't it. You got FIRED cause you knew nothing and couldn't even clean the toilets good. And you might think people would kill to see what you saw but not all of us is into seeing dried shit on the ring of a toilet bowl. No thanks. I bet you got the shaft alright. How shafts did you get that day. jeez Goodrum it is nice you include all of us in your fairly tales but it is getting out of hand.
Tell us how you REALLY FEEL........ ;D
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Vince why cant you talk about mopping up toilets at Lockeed?
Janitorial services were outsourced by another company. Food was brought by a guy in a solar powered truck who drove around the base all day. There were more contractors than actual workers at Lockheed.
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Melvin, can you state what your job title was at those engineering companies? Please don't say assistant to the manager!
There is a Curves in Sylva and Smokey Mtns Gym. Surely there are enough people there for a certified trainer such as yourself? Have you advertised in the local papers? Just curious about why you don't do home training until the spring.
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Melvin, can you state what your job title was at those engineering companies? Please don't say assistant to the manager!
There is a Curves in Sylva and Smokey Mtns Gym. Surely there are enough people there for a certified trainer such as yourself? Have you advertised in the local papers? Just curious about why you don't do home training until the spring.
There is no Curves in Sylva anymore and Smokey Mtn Gym is where I used to train people but its about to close down. I use Craigslist to advertise and I'm not training people at home right now because I'm too busy to travel to Asheville where the majority of business is from.
By the way, my job title was...well......"systems engineer"..... ::)
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Maybe you should buy that Smokey Mtn Gym and turn it around with your marketing skills? How big is it and what kind of facilities and equipment do they have? It is probably a poorly equipped regional gym that is in every small town.
What systems were you engineering? Is that a fancy name for cleaner?
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Vince seriously how would you get people to hire you?
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Vince, did you work at Lockheed off of Terminal Road??
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Vince, did you work at Lockheed off of Terminal Road??
That would be the one.
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What was your title?
Lockheed Martin doesn't hire engineers without degrees from decent schools. Obviously if you were doing ITT sh*t that's a different story, but that is not the same thing as being an engineer.
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Most guys who make gym equipment call themselves engineers. So that term can have a wide application. I don't call myself an engineer because I respect those who have gone to university. In Goodrum's case he isn't covered by any wide, popular meaning of the word 'engineer', so another pipedream from him. Maybe he saw the Wizard of Oz and really, truly believed if he had a diploma he would be intelligent!
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Can't someone who has a business over there try to get a report from Lockheed about Goodrum? You know, tell them he has applied for a job as an engineer! Should be enlightening.
http://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/
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What was your title?
Lockheed Martin doesn't hire engineers without degrees from decent schools. Obviously if you were doing ITT sh*t that's a different story, but that is not the same thing as being an engineer.
I am pretty sure Goodrum got a model train for his birthday from Vissy so now he calls himself an engineer.
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There seems to be two games being played out in Goodrum threads. Hapless Melvin tries every means to establish some credibility on muscle forums to no avail. No matter where or when he posts he gets called a bullshitter and a guy who exaggerates all day long. The guy clearly has done very little in bodybuilding or via making a living. That he is content living in a trailer in the backwoods of North Carolina is the stuff of legends and or desperate people who can't cope in normal society.
No matter what Goodrum posts the threads end up lampooning him like the buffoon with no shame deserves. Why he has to pretend he is someone he is not is a mystery but he doesn't fool anyone on Getbig.
The second game is the good citizens who try to sort Melvin out and point out the bullshit that he is posting. Keith and others do this on a regular basis and it has no effect on the hide of Goodrum because he has no shame at all. All of the bagging Goodrum receives merely motivates him to one day show everyone how wrong we are. In other words, you can knock forever on the door of the deaf man and clearly Goodrum is deaf.
If people repeat the same behaviour over and over expecting a different result then that can indicate a lack of intelligence or a personality disorder. Goodrum doesn't seem to be intellectually challenged but he is no candidate for Mensa, either. Keith and I are flogging a dead horse! I guess it is just a way to have some fun. Getbig is pretty boring without the likes of wannabes like Goodrum and other self-styled heroes who will never amount to anything in bodybuilding. I swear I have given away more trophies than Goodrum will ever win!
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Can't believe Lockheed let people sleep in their cars within the premises.
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Can't believe Lockheed let people sleep in their cars within the premises.
Kiwi , Are you saying the only work Vince did at Lockheed other than mop the floors was "work the carpark" :D
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You would think that after advertising as a personal trainer and not getting clients the guy would go back to lockeed, i'm being serious in asking him how he could expect anyone to hire him. He cant be the only trainer in town.
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Well, this thread has seriously gone South of the Border. I don't have to lie about my work history because it just the plain truth. I had the opportunity to work with some great people and see the future of aviation that you people will have to wait many years to see.
And Cavalier, you are a complete dumb-ass for suggesting that Lockheed doesn't hire people without degrees. Did I not say that I was hired while I was in school. Put 2 and 2 together...oh wait.
http://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/college_internships.asp
I was successful in the field of engineering and I'm now successful in the field of health & fitness. So I'll just shake you haters off with one finger. 8)
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all magic negro
lest we forget he is one of the RARE individuals
who can do the suckinadick vacuum pose
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Kiwi , Are you saying the only work Vince did at Lockheed other than mop the floors was "work the carpark" :D
He was a engineer parking attendant. ;D
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Damn, you guys are brutal!
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Damn, you guys are brutal!
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while joe marino has defeated the odds and made it in the fitness world as a 5'4" mexican, vince goodrum is yet to do so. i like vince as a gimmick because he's too perfect at it.
also, i will give credit to onlyme for his efforts here. while he may be melting, the stuff he types is the work of legends. "inner tube lips", lol.
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2008 was actually a net loss so I didn't earn anything at all.
Seriously, Vince, have you ever entertained the idea that Personal Training isn't your thing?
You've been at it for years. Have tons of certifications and credentials; yet, you make no money.
I, myself, was a trainer for about 2 years in 1988-89. I had gotten laid off from a corporate job and didn't feel like going back to a cubicle. So, I walked into a large health club in Manhattan, applied for and got a job as an instructor. Within a few months, I became a trainer and was making 400-500 a week, which was pretty good back then.
This was with no certifications or degrees. I certainly was not a training prodigy, just a guy with a pretty good physique who could talk the talk.
So, what's the problem, Vince?
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Seriously, Vince, have you ever entertained the idea that Personal Training isn't your thing?
You've been at it for years. Have tons of certifications and credentials; yet, you make no money.
I, myself, was a trainer for about 2 years in 1988-89. I had gotten laid off from a corporate job and didn't feel like going back to a cubicle. So, I walked into a large health club in Manhattan, applied for and got a job as an instructor. Within a few months, I became a trainer and was making 400-500 a week, which was pretty good back then.
This was with no certifications or degrees. I certainly was not a training prodigy, just a guy with a pretty good physique who could talk the talk.
So, what's the problem, Vince?
You have seen his pics , how can you take him seriously.
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I guess everyone in Sylva knows Melvin Goodrum. I wonder what the gym owner thinks about him? No doubt Vince G is the fitness expert in the small town. Seems to me Melvin made a bad decision moving to such a small town. It might be cheap in his trailer with his partner but his opportunities are almost zero to find any suitable employment there. He did say that he now has an office in town. Here we go again, more claims that might be bs. Where is your office, Mr Goodrum?
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I guess everyone in Sylva knows Melvin Goodrum. I wonder what the gym owner thinks about him? No doubt Vince G is the fitness expert in the small town. Seems to me Melvin made a bad decision moving to such a small town. It might be cheap in his trailer with his partner but his opportunities are almost zero to find any suitable employment there. He did say that he now has an office in town. Here we go again, more claims that might be bs. Where is your office, Mr Goodrum?
His office is Vissy's ass. it is open 24 hours a day.
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Well, this thread has seriously gone South of the Border. I don't have to lie about my work history because it just the plain truth. I had the opportunity to work with some great people and see the future of aviation that you people will have to wait many years to see.
And Cavalier, you are a complete dumb-ass for suggesting that Lockheed doesn't hire people without degrees. Did I not say that I was hired while I was in school. Put 2 and 2 together...oh wait.
http://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/college_internships.asp
I was successful in the field of engineering and I'm now successful in the field of health & fitness. So I'll just shake you haters off with one finger. 8)
Well Goodrum yes you do have to lie. It is what you do. You are 31 years old. You say you had a successful career at Lockheed. you didn't even work there for 6 months. You got NO benefits or anything. you got fired. You work as a janitor. And you still think you are successful. Just like you BB career. you are successful? You are a world class loser who tgakes last place in everything you do and still think you are a success. And you are right, no degrees are needed for the job you had.
And you want us to believe you had a security clearance where you saw stuff we won't for years. Hey you fucking moron. you are full of shit again.
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Well Goodrum yes you do have to lie. It is what you do. You are 31 years old. You say you had a successful career at Lockheed. you didn't even work there for 6 months. You got NO benefits or anything. you got fired. You work as a janitor. And you still think you are successful. Just like you BB career. you are successful? You are a world class loser who tgakes last place in everything you do and still think you are a success. And you are right, no degrees are needed for the job you had.
And you want us to believe you had a security clearance where you saw stuff we won't for years. Hey you fucking moron. you are full of shit again.
Keith, what would you do if you met Melvin IRL?
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Yeah, it sucks ass but the rates are set by Jackson County so I don't have any control over the rates for training people there.
You got to be fucking kidding me! You're telling me that the government is telling you how much you can charge and how much someone should be willing to pay? Do they also tell you how much you can sell your equipment for?
Please don't tell me you vote Democrat.
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I guess everyone in Sylva knows Melvin Goodrum. I wonder what the gym owner thinks about him? No doubt Vince G is the fitness expert in the small town. Seems to me Melvin made a bad decision moving to such a small town. It might be cheap in his trailer with his partner but his opportunities are almost zero to find any suitable employment there. He did say that he now has an office in town. Here we go again, more claims that might be bs. Where is your office, Mr Goodrum?
Gee Vince, I hate to admit it but when you're gone for a while I actually start to miss you (no homo). Is your tolerance for flotsam starting to diminish with advancing age?
I finally got booted from IronAge so GetBig is all we have. I think you'd be happy to know that I've dropped my protein intake and increased my carbs. I'm sure my protein is still high for your taste but going from 300g/day to 200g/ day is nothing to sneeze at. I think my calorie intake is about the same but I'm up to a massive 188lbs instead of the twinkish 183lbs. I think it's mostly water weight but in my case that's a good thing because I seem fuller and not as drawn and shriveled.
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Keith, what would you do if you met Melvin IRL?
Well I guess a couple years ago when he was at the Olympia I saw him at the Orleans cafe. I was sitting with about 8 or so other people including Peter Putnum, Pete G, a couple of other BB's and a couple of TV producers we were doing business with. I looked over cause Lonnie Teper was a few tables away and I saw him talking to a black guy. I asked one of the people at the table if that was Goodrum and he said he didn't think so. I wasn't sure. He had glasses on and was not as big as he appears in the photos on Getbig. Well I guess it was him and I missed a chance to meet him. In all honesty he is very fragile looking in person. I have never gone up to anyone to start any kind of fight. I am usually a guy who finishes something after it is started. I wouldn't start a fight with him as much as I would love too. The reason being is that he is a known scumbag who definitely would do something like sue me or something. I have shit to lose he has nothing. The ideal thing would be if he saw me and came up to me and said something I didn't like or touch me in any way. Then I would love to just grab him and beat the shit out of him.
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Well I guess a couple years ago when he was at the Olympia I saw him at the Orleans cafe. I was sitting with about 8 or so other people including Peter Putnum, Pete G, a couple of other BB's and a couple of TV producers we were doing business with. I looked over cause Lonnie Teper was a few tables away and I saw him talking to a black guy. I asked one of the people at the table if that was Goodrum and he said he didn't think so. I wasn't sure. He had glasses on and was not as big as he appears in the photos on Getbig. Well I guess it was him and I missed a chance to meet him. In all honesty he is very fragile looking in person. I have never gone up to anyone to start any kind of fight. I am usually a guy who finishes something after it is started. I wouldn't start a fight with him as much as I would love too. The reason being is that he is a known scumbag who definitely would do something like sue me or something. I have shit to lose he has nothing. The ideal thing would be if he saw me and came up to me and said something I didn't like or touch me in any way. Then I would love to just grab him and beat the shit out of him.
LMAO! Wonder if he bullshits in person as much as he does in the forums, lol.
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100 grams of protein a day is sufficient for most intermediate bodybuilders. Too many of the flotsam waste money on supplements and expensive protein. 50 grams might be sufficient for most people.
Keith missed buffoon Goodrum posing at the Olympia on a tabletop. Where was he and the fart machine? What an opportunity wasted. At least some pizzas were sent to his hotel room at one show. Goodrum wouldn't do shit if confronted by Keith. He would think about calling him fatty and running his ass off escaping Keith's rage! Come on guys, this is just fun lampooning self-styled internet hero, Vince G CSN MFT PHD.
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A photo speaks volumes about Goodrum. Who else would get up and pose looking like this? What a nincompoop!
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100 grams of protein a day is sufficient for most intermediate bodybuilders. Too many of the flotsam waste money on supplements and expensive protein. 50 grams might be sufficient for most people.
Keith missed buffoon Goodrum posing at the Olympia on a tabletop. Where was he and the fart machine? What an opportunity wasted. At least some pizzas were sent to his hotel room at one show. Goodrum wouldn't do shit if confronted by Keith. He would think about calling him fatty and running his ass off escaping Keith's rage! Come on guys, this is just fun lampooning self-styled internet hero, Vince G CSN MFT PHD.
Quite the impressive arm there on Keith!