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follow this thread, and lets start one here as well.
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=30707
if you have a FB or myspace, post this in your status box.
URGENT!!!
Please take a few minutes of your time and listen to show #453 on www.superhumanradio.com
and then TAKE ACTION!!!
go to www.LEF.ORG
The time is NOW to turn this around.
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they've been trying to do this since the days of bob hoffman, the washington lobbyist for the supp industry got it covered.
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The supplement industry is full of a bunch of low life crooks.. ripping people off with bullshit products that don’t work… or often times do not contain what the label claims. This is one industry that could use a little *regulation*.
Listen up - you do not need supplements, just eat a well balanced diet and save your cash.
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The supplement industry is full of a bunch of low life crooks.. ripping people off with bullshit products that don’t work… or often times do not contain what the label claims. This is one industry that could use a little *regulation*.
Listen up - you do not need supplements, just eat a well balanced diet and save your cash.
read the thread, digest the points I have made there. & listen to the fucking show before you speak.
YOU listen up JAMES. vitamins & naturopathic medicine/ supplements saved my life, more than once. along with many others. I take them in addition to a balanced diet...and if you arent careful the balanced diet will be gone as well. ~If you dont believe me, google MONSANTO.
if you are in favor of govt regulation and putting that in the hands of big pharma u then i have no words for you.
changed my status update, copy and paste in yours if u wish.
Do you want ease of access and affordability to vitamins and nutritional supplements? Stop FDA regulation NOW! Keep them out of the hands of the pharmacuetical industry. Please take some time out of your day, listen to show #453 on www.superhumanradio.com
and then TAKE ACTION!!! www.LEF.ORG
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YOU listen up JAMES. vitamins & naturopathic supplements saved my life, more than once.
Care to go into detail?
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Do you think they will try and include steroids?
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Care to go into detail?
no, not really! its NOYFB. quite frankly! :)
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no, not really! its NOYFB. quite frankly! :)
Well, I'll give the thread a read later.
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follow this thread, and lets start one here as well.
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=30707
if you have a FB or myspace, post this in your status box.
URGENT!!!
Please take a few minutes of your time and listen to show #453 on www.superhumanradio.com
and then TAKE ACTION!!!
go to www.LEF.ORG
The time is NOW to turn this around.
We should do a nude protest against this. Send me your pics first.
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We should do a nude protest against this. Send me your pics first.
Cant you guys take me seriously for ONCE goddamit!!! >:( >:( >:(
;D
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Cant you guys take me seriously for ONCE goddamit!!! >:( >:( >:(
;D
Your too fucking cute to take seriously. Honestly, let congress do what they want. They are a bunch of hacks who can't run anything.
If they regulate it, then maybe I can finally use my flexible spending account to buy supps and save some cash.
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Stop with the conspiracy theories already.
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Stop with the conspiracy theories already.
first, let me ask you. where do you live? are you even living in the US?
second.. its not about conspiracy theories. its about things that are coming into play & if we dont nip them in the bud, it could get ugly for us all.
third, Im tired of hearing everyone bitch and complain, day in and day out, the govt does this, the govt does that..they are killing us, etc etc. with a total defeatist & victim mentality. ~if you dont like something, get up off your fcking ass and do something about it! & quite frankly, im sick and tired of all these conspiracy theories with no real action to back them up!
all this talk and other nonsense, but what is anyone really DOING?
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great thread on rx rhonda
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first, let me ask you. where do you live? are you even living in the US?
second.. its not about conspiracy theories. its about things that are coming into play & if we dont nip them in the bud, it could get ugly for us all.
third, Im tired of hearing everyone bitch and complain, day in and day out, the govt does this, the govt does that..they are killing us, etc etc. with a total defeatist & victim mentality. ~if you dont like something, get up off your fcking ass and do something about it! & quite frankly, im sick and tired of all these conspiracy theories with no real action to back them up!
Haven't you figured out that getbiggers only care about "OWNING" people or posting porn pics.
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Your too fucking cute to take seriously. Honestly, let congress do what they want. They are a bunch of hacks who can't run anything.
If they regulate it, then maybe I can finally use my flexible spending account to buy supps and save some cash.
thank you on the cute part. i keep trying ;D
u speak in riddles, first you say let them do what they want, and in the same breath u say, 'They are a bunch of hacks who can't run anything.'
& then i dont follow you on the last part. ??? there are limits to what my mind can comprehend
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Haven't you figured out that getbiggers only care about "OWNING" people or posting porn pics.
there might be a shred of hope for some of you. but just a shred. ::) lol
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who cares? most supplements are collosal crap anyways
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first, let me ask you. where do you live? are you even living in the US?
second.. its not about conspiracy theories. its about things that are coming into play & if we dont nip them in the bud, it could get ugly for us all.
third, Im tired of hearing everyone bitch and complain, day in and day out, the govt does this, the govt does that..they are killing us, etc etc. with a total defeatist & victim mentality. ~if you dont like something, get up off your fcking ass and do something about it! & quite frankly, im sick and tired of all these conspiracy theories with no real action to back them up!
all this talk and other nonsense, but what is anyone really DOING?
Try reading the entire bill. There is nothing bad about it at all. How about this, show me what part of the bill, from the text of the bill, that specifically bothers you and why.
You will come to see your worrying is all for naught and that you have been misguided this whole time.
Also, to repeat what the others have said, Snake Oil doesn`t work.
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Try reading the entire bill. There is nothing bad about it at all. How about this, show me what part of the bill, from the text of the bill, that specifically bothers you and why.
You will come to see your worrying is all for naught and that you have been misguided this whole time.
Also, to repeat what the others have said, Snake Oil doesn`t work.
you didnt answer my question. but anyway..
vitamins dont work? ??? hmm, i guess protien powder doent work either then? you guys dont get it. you think im talking about bodybuilding supplements, but I am not. Im talking about BBing supps, and the vitamin & supplement industry as a whole. I tend to agree about most BBing supps being worthless..so I dont waste my money on em! BUT, there needs to be a choice. Each individual should decide what works for them.
heres an example,.. I recently overcame a very painful & debilitating carpal tunnel injury. both hands, wrists, and forearms. come to find out, it was vit B6 deficiancy related. nerve damage from B6 deficiancy, and carpal tunnel symptoms as a result. who knew ???
they were ready to operate. I was facing months of recovery time, missing gym, disability, etc, already not having the use of my hands, the ability to work, grip the steering wheel, write, brush my teeth, etc. i couldnt even ******! for weeks, i was a mess. I added a B supp to my regimen and now within a couple weeks I'm as good as new. it brought instant relief. 20 min after i took it I felt the ice leave my nerves, & from then on I got progressively better. I was in alot of pain. so dont tell ME what works.
Do you think my doctor said one word about possible vitamin deficiency? no. the only answer was surgery and pain medication, and a brace. thats just 'tough shit' for me, right? ..so i guess the 'taxpayers' ought to pay for my disability, rather than me having the ability to take my health and well being into my own hands???
what works and what doesnt is certainly up for debate, and there are many variables.., but you saying they dont work only means it didnt work for YOU. so, why dont you simply avoid them. I respectfully disagree, however, and would like the choice to use my 'snake oils' like vit B, colloidal silver, etc if I so desire, without having to get a prescription for it. you DO understand what big pharma is trying to do, no?
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oh my god i hope that evil man barack doennt ban all those wonderfull homeopathic supplements that saved Derrick and many others from teh aids. Homeopathic doses of GH were also used by palumbo to lead athletes to great success until that infamous FDA plot incarcerated him
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you didnt answer my question. but anyway..
vitamins dont work? ??? hmm, i guess protien powder doent work either then? you guys dont get it. you think im talking about bodybuilding supplements, but I am not. Im talking about BBing supps, and the vitamin & supplement industry as a whole. I tend to agree about most BBing supps being worthless..so I dont waste my money on em! BUT, there needs to be a choice.
heres an example,.. I recently overcame a severe debilitating carpal tunnel injury. both hands, wrists, and forearms. come to find out, it was vit B6 deficiancy related. nerve damage from B6 deficiancy, and carpal tunnel symptoms as a result. who knew ???
they were ready to operate. I was facing months of recovery time, missing gym, disability, etc, already not having the use of my hands, the ability to work, grip the steering wheel, write, brush my teeth, etc. i couldnt even ******! for weeks, i was a mess. I added a B supp to my regimen and now within a couple weeks I'm as good as new. it brought instant relief. 20 min after i took it I felt the ice leave my nerves, & from then on I got progressively better. I was in alot of pain. so dont tell ME what works.
Do you think my doctor said one word about possible vitamin deficiency? no. the only answer was surgery and pain medication, and a brace. thats just 'tough shit' for me, right? ..so i guess the 'taxpayers' ought to pay for my disability, rather than me having the ability to take my health and well being into my own hands???
what works and what doesnt is certainly up for debate, and there are many variables.., but you saying they dont work only means it didnt work for YOU. so, why dont you simply avoid them. I respectfully disagree, however, and would like the choice to use my 'snake oils' like vit B, colloidal silver, etc if I so desire, without having to get a prescription for it. you DO understand what big pharma is trying to do, no?
look i am not here to disregard your sufering, but carpal tunnel injury is the result of compression of the median nerve passing through a canal in the wrist (the carpal tunnel,) and is usually the result of noxious repetitive activity. Unless you fell flat on both ur hands or some weird stuff like that there is no way you would get it in both arms at the same time since they are subject to different stresses. So whatever u had that was not it. Obviously the symptoms and fast cure flag psycho-somatic illness but saying so without more info would be to unfairly dismiss your real complaints. The issue is: if a placebo can cure you, then great but let’s make sure it is a harmless one
Now we already have a huge bunch of big pharma placebos, so we can afford to ban the harmful alternative crap out there. This way u can go to an alternative practitioner and get the happy feeling they specialise on, which is essential for a great placebo effect and not jeopardize your health
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Point is, whether you think vitamins and supplements are worth a damn or not let people decide for themselves. Aren't people getting sick of this nanny government telling you what they think is good for you or not?
It's one thing to imploy moral persuasion to do things that are good for you (like exercise/good diet) or to avoid things that are bad for you (smoking/riding without a helmet) but it's quite another to pass laws, using the power of government, to force you to do what they deem is best for you.
Leave us alone already.
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Point is, whether you think vitamins and supplements are worth a damn or not let people decide for themselves. Aren't people getting sick of this nanny government telling you what they think is good for you or not?
It's one thing to imploy moral persuasion to do things that are good for you (like exercise/good diet) or to avoid things that are bad for you (smoking/riding without a helmet) but it's quite another to pass laws, using the power of government, to force you to do what they deem is best for you.
Leave us alone already.
Thats just it, the bill is not outlawing or keeping anyone from doing anything.
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I personally believe all Drugs should legal to do in the privacy of your own home.
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Point is, whether you think vitamins and supplements are worth a damn or not let people decide for themselves. Aren't people getting sick of this nanny government telling you what they think is good for you or not?
It's one thing to imploy moral persuasion to do things that are good for you (like exercise/good diet) or to avoid things that are bad for you (smoking/riding without a helmet) but it's quite another to pass laws, using the power of government, to force you to do what they deem is best for you.
Leave us alone already.
exactly.
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exactly.
You are barking up the wrong tree then. Reread the actual text of the bill. You are being misguided as the bill does not read what you THINK it does.
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Thats just it, the bill is not outlawing or keeping anyone from doing anything.
There's already regulations governing the industry. As I understand it for the industry to get government approval will be cost prohibitive and essentially destroy the industy. What do you think this bill will do and why is it necessary?
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I personally believe all Drugs should legal to do in the privacy of your own home.
The government is suppose to protect you from what you do to others not what you do to yourself. So, of course, when talking about adults (children do not have the same rights), what you do to your own body is your business. Your body is YOUR body. You own it. No one else.
The point to me is not whether something is good or bad for you but who should decide.
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There's already regulations governing the industry. As I understand it for the industry to get government approval will be cost prohibitive and essentially destroy the industy. What do you think this bill will do and why is it necessary?
he is too busy playing devil's advocate to answer any questions.
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There's already regulations governing the industry. As I understand it for the industry to get government approval will be cost prohibitive and essentially destroy the industy. What do you think this bill will do and why is it necessary?
Prevent fly-by night "companies" from selling proprietary blends of snake oil by being held accountable for the efficacy of their product as all other businesses do.
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There's already regulations governing the industry.
I’m pretty clueless about this stuff.. what type of regulations are in place now?
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he is too busy playing devil's advocate to answer any questions.
I have to confess, and I rarely do this, that I'm commenting on a thread that I didn't read straight through.
So are you accusing me of agreeing with TA? I may have to rethink my position.
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The government is suppose to protect you from what you do to others not what you do to yourself. So, of course, when talking about adults (children do not have the same rights), what you do to your own body is your business. Your body is YOUR body. You own it. No one else.
The point to me is not whether something is good or bad for you but who should decide.
Again, this bill is not limiting what you can put into your body.
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Prevent fly-by night "companies" from selling proprietary blends of snake oil by being held accountable for the efficacy of their product as all other businesses do.
But we already have that. Nutritional companies are constantly being sued for outlandish claims. And it hasn't stopped it from other industries. What about that claim that if you eat 3 bowls of oatmeal you will lower your cholesteral? I read where blue berries is suppose to make you smarter. I remember I got taken for 5 bucks as a kid when I order a course that would teach me the secrets of Dim Mak where I could kill a man with a single strike.
You live and learn, brah. Unless you're a retard (no offense Palin) you're not going to go through your whole life being a sucker. We all have to grow up. I don't need or want the government's nose in every part of my life "looking out" for me.
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Again, this bill is not limiting what you can put into your body.
As far as I understand it it will make it much more costly for the supplement industry to stay in business. America has survived without another law. Why is this one so necessary? Why is the supplement industry against it?
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But we already have that. Nutritional companies are constantly being sued for outlandish claims. And it hasn't stopped it from other industries. What about that claim that if you eat 3 bowls of oatmeal you will lower your cholesteral? I read where blue berries is suppose to make you smarter. I remember I got taken for 5 bucks as a kid when I order a course that would teach me the secrets of Dim Mak where I could kill a man with a single strike.
You live and learn, brah. Unless you're a retard (no offense Palin) you're not going to go through your whole life being a sucker. We all have to grow up. I don't need or want the government's nose in every part of my life "looking out" for me.
yep. and not everyone looks good in hotpants, even if the clothing industry tries to convince you of such. ppl *could* get hurt, or even killed! if a fat person wears them. traffic accidents, broken cameras, BLINDNESS, etc. ;D
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If this bill passes, the costs of producing and selling even the most basic nutritional supplements is going to be much higher than it is now, to the point where the industry would pretty much shut down and be taken over by big pharma. Ron would be out of a job.
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Point is, whether you think vitamins and supplements are worth a damn or not let people decide for themselves. Aren't people getting sick of this nanny government telling you what they think is good for you or not?
It's one thing to imploy moral persuasion to do things that are good for you (like exercise/good diet) or to avoid things that are bad for you (smoking/riding without a helmet) but it's quite another to pass laws, using the power of government, to force you to do what they deem is best for you.
Leave us alone already.
that is an often repeated but obvious fallacy. No man is an island. Why does the law say u need to wear a seat belt? Well it is not because of the possibility your thick head may kill someone. First why are there laws at all, I mean u could just say why am I subject to other men laws. Well it has been found that for their own protection most people demand their communities to be ruled by laws from which other people cannot opt out. So if you believe in the rule of law u are already abdicating some of ur freedom. Assuming u believe in laws then u can say, but why should I obey those laws that concern only me. Well because there is no real “only me”. Many people (who make the laws) believe that what you do with your life concerns them because life is sacred (god etc) or they owe u a duty of care. If u say fuck that, then think that when u die or get ill there are consequences to many other people. You take a shit drug and get chronically ill. In the end someone will end up paying ur bills. So what about their rights. U say fuck that- well then u don’t give a shit about other people so why would they care about ur opinion
end of lesson
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thank you on the cute part. i keep trying ;D
I should have banged you when i had the chance ;D ;D
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As far as I understand it it will make it much more costly for the supplement industry to stay in business. America has survived without another law. Why is this one so necessary? Why is the supplement industry against it?
TA never answers any questions. only makes blanket statements. Anyway, you all fight amongst yourselves for a while. Im gonna go get my LEG workout on! whew!!
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yep. and not everyone looks good in hotpants, even if the clothing industry tries to convince you of such. ppl *could* get hurt, or even killed! if a fat person wears them. traffic accidents, broken cameras etc. ;D
There was a guy I knew in LA that had his tongue spilt to look like a lizard and had spikes punched in his skull. Not really my thing and I'm sure you can get hurt getting that procedure but it was his choice and other than having to look at him, it doesn't effect me and is none of my, or anybody elses, business.
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The supplement industry is full of a bunch of low life crooks.. ripping people off with bullshit products that don’t work… or often times do not contain what the label claims. This is one industry that could use a little *regulation*.
Listen up - you do not need supplements, just eat a well balanced diet and save your cash.
My thoughts exactly..
It's all scam products and none if it is necessary.
We would not have ingredients on any of our food products if not for FDA regulation.
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that is an often repeated but obvious fallacy. No man is an island. Why does the law say u need to wear a seat belt? Well it is not because of the possibility your thick head may kill someone. First why are there laws at all, I mean u could just say why am I subject to other men laws. Well it has been found that for their own protection most people demand their communities to be ruled by laws from which other people cannot opt out. So if you believe in the rule of law u are already abdicating some of ur freedom. Assuming u believe in laws then u can say, but why should I obey those laws that concern only me. Well because there is no real “only me”. Many people (who make the laws) believe that what you do with your life concerns them because life is sacred (god etc) or they owe u a duty of care. If u say fuck that, then think that when u die or get ill there are consequences to many other people. You take a shit drug and get chronically ill. In the end someone will end up paying ur bills. So what about their rights. U say fuck that- well then u don’t give a shit about other people so why would they care about ur opinion
end of lesson
i think we can all agree that there should be 'basic' laws. thats not what this arguement is about
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There was a guy I knew in LA that had his tongue spilt to look like a lizard and had spikes punched in his skull. Not really my thing and I'm sure you can get hurt getting that procedure but it was his choice and other than having to look at him, it doesn't effect me and is none of my, or anybody elses, business.
i keep AGREEING with you, but for some reason you dont think I am!!! lol ..anyway,
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bypass all this government regulation and do steroids
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http://altmedicine.about.com/od/carpaltunnelsyndrome/a/carpal_tunnel.htm
What is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome?
Carpal tunnel syndrome is a condition that causes pain, numbness, and tingling in the fingers or hands, particularly the thumb, index, middle, or ring fingers. Loss of sensation in the fingers and weakness in the hands can also occur.
Carpal tunnel syndrome is caused by repetitive finger and hand use (especially with improper positioning). A nerve called the median nerve becomes compressed as it passes through the carpal tunnel, the narrow passageway of bones and ligaments on the underside of the wrist.
Conditions such as obesity, pregnancy, hypothyroidism, arthritis, and diabetes can also cause carpal tunnel syndrome.
Natural Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Treatments
Here are eight natural remedies that are used for carpal tunnel syndrome relief.
1) Acupuncture
Acupuncturists insert thin needles into specifics point on the body. Traditional theory holds blockages along energy pathways in the body, called meridians, can cause pain. Acupuncture releases these blockages and improves the flow of energy along meridians.
A scientific explanation is that acupuncture may release natural pain-relieving chemicals into the body, promote circulation in body, and balance the nervous system.
What is a treatment like? For carpal tunnel syndrome, acupuncture points are generally on the wrist, arm, thumb, and hands, as well as other parts of the body such as the upper back, neck, and leg.
The number of acupuncture sessions depends on various factors such as how long you've had the symptoms, symptom intensity, how much you use your arms and hands, and your overall health.
Laser acupuncture, which uses a handheld laser instead of acupuncture needles, is also used for carpal tunnel syndrome. One study looked at 36 people with a median pain duration of 24 months. Fourteen had one to 2 surgical release procedures with no results. After three laser acupuncture sessions a week for 4 to 5 weeks, 33 people had no pain or their pain was reduced by more than 50%. All of the people who had failed surgery had a noticeable improvement. Acupuncture wasn't a quick-fix-the follow-up after 1-2 years found that pain returned for only 2 people out of 23 people, and they were successfully treated within several weeks.
Find an acupuncturist
More about acupuncture
2) Acupressure
Acupressure is based on the same principles as acupuncture. Instead of applying needles to acupuncture points, pressure is applied, which is thought to stimulate blood flow to the wrists and hands and ease numbness and swelling in the area.
Acupressure points for carpal tunnel syndrome are typically on the wrists, forearms and hands.
Here how to do acupressure for carpal tunnel syndrome.
3) Vitamin B6
In several research studies, vitamin B6 deficiency has been associated with carpal tunnel syndrome. A study by the Portland Hand Surgery and Rehabilitation Center in Oregon examined 441 people and found that higher levels of vitamin B6 were associated with fewer carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms. Researchers also found that higher levels of vitamin C relative to lower vitamin B6 levels were associated with a higher prevalence and greater frequency of carpal tunnel symptoms.
A Japanese study of 174 university students found that students with lower levels of vitamin B6 showed symptoms of carpal tunnel syndrome.
Food Sources of vitamin B6 include sweet potatoes, avocados, brown rice, sunflower seeds, chick peas, salmon, pork, chicken, turkey, potatoes, bok choy, barley, bananas, and mangoes.
Risk factors for vitamin B6 deficiency:
diet lacking in vitamin B6
use of oral contraceptives or HRT
consumption of foods containing yellow dye #5, such as some types of macaroni and cheese and pickles
stress
A typical dose of vitamin B6 for carpal tunnel syndrome is 50 mg 2 to 3 times a day. Side effects may include increased urination. It can take up to 6 weeks to notice an improvement. The maximum intake from all sources should be less than 200 mg a day, unless otherwise recommended by your doctor.
4) Herbal Medicine, Vitamins, and Supplements
Enzyme supplements such as bromelain or combination enzyme products (e.g. Wobenzym) may help to reduce tissue swelling associated with carpal tunnel syndrome. It can take several weeks to notice results. The main food source of bromelain is pineapple.
Arnica - a double blind randomized study by the Department of Plastic Surgery of Queen Victoria Hospital in West Sussex, England examined whether arnica can speed up the recovery of hand surgery compared to placebo. People who took homeopathic arnica tablets and arnica ointment had a significant reduction in pain after two weeks. There was no difference in grip strength or swelling between the two groups.
Vitamin B12 - a study looked at the effectiveness of vitamin B12 for people with carpal tunnel syndrome due to overuse of the nonparalyzed arm after stroke. For two years, 67 people in the study received 1500 mcg of vitamin B12 a day, and the remaining 68 did not. After two years, there was significant improvement in the group taking vitamin B12 compared to the untreated group.
More natural carpal tunnel syndrome treatments on the next page...
so what , do you think anyone is going to ban vitamins. that is not the issue here. And by the way note what i told u , carpal tunnel in both arms at the same time is very hard to imagine. just like developing cancer in both lungs simultaneously due to smoking
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that is an often repeated but obvious fallacy. No man is an island. Why does the law say u need to wear a seat belt? Well it is not because of the possibility your thick head may kill someone. First why are there laws at all, I mean u could just say why am I subject to other men laws. Well it has been found that for their own protection most people demand their communities to be ruled by laws from which other people cannot opt out. So if you believe in the rule of law u are already abdicating some of ur freedom. Assuming u believe in laws then u can say, but why should I obey those laws that concern only me. Well because there is no real “only me”. Many people (who make the laws) believe that what you do with your life concerns them because life is sacred (god etc) or they owe u a duty of care. If u say fuck that, then think that when u die or get ill there are consequences to many other people. You take a shit drug and get chronically ill. In the end someone will end up paying ur bills. So what about their rights. U say fuck that- well then u don’t give a shit about other people so why would they care about ur opinion
end of lesson
No, what you do to yourself is one thing. What you do to another is something else entirely.
Having someone else have to pay for your irresponsible behavior is a problem of socialism not freedom.
If you are going to give lessons you need to write better and more coherently.
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so what , do you think anyone is going to ban vitamins. that is not the issue here. And by the way note what i told u , carpal tunnel in both arms at the same time is very hard to imagine. just like developing cancer in both lungs simultaneously due to smoking
was the SYPTOMS of carpal tunnel caused by the B deficiency. and YES! banning vitamins IS what this is about. the supp company and big pharm being in CONTROL of natural substances, so they can patent them and make $$$,, again, more govt CONTROL! bc u wont be able to get w/o a presciption. hello!!!! do some of you even bother to read the RX thread or listen to Carls show? I provided the links to both.
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My thoughts exactly..
It's all scam products and none if it is necessary.
We would not have ingredients on any of our food products if not for FDA regulation.
Nobody said there should be no regulations. Every product should state exactly what the product contains. If it says on the label "One pound ground beef" or pure Whey isolate then it better be right. But whether or not you think that pound of beef is good protein or will give you a heart attack or if the protein will put on five pounds of muscle in one month is for you to decide.
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i keep AGREEING with you, but for some reason you dont think I am!!! lol ..anyway,
LOL! I'm reinforcing your point with my example.
Do your squats already and get more sleep "insomnia." ;)
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No, what you do to yourself is one thing. What you do to another is something else entirely.
Having someone else have to pay for your irresponsible behavior is a problem of socialism not freedom.
If you are going to give lessons you need to write better and more coherently.
it is socialism when my taxes pay for the consequences of other peoples irresponsible acts- like drugs for chronically hill people due to shit they should not have taken. it is not socialism when the state tries to protect my tax dollars from these people´s ignorance
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bypass all this government regulation and do steroids
8 units/day Americano or Red Top gh, tren, masteron, eq, test prop and eat anything you want and grow bigger and leaner.
gh15 approved
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was the SYPTOMS of carpal tunnel caused by the B deficiency. and YES! banning vitamins IS what this is about. the supp company and big pharm being in CONTROL of natural substances, so they can patent them and make $$$,, again, more govt CONTROL! bc u wont be able to get w/o a presciption. hello!!!! do some of you even bother to read the RX thread or listen to Carls show? I provided the links to both.
there is about 15 min dedicated to me on carl´s off topic show this week,- check it out- and yes i listen to super human radio to see what the crazies are saying
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it is socialism when my taxes pay for the consequences of other peoples irresponsible acts- like drugs for chronically hill people due to shit they should not have taken. it is not socialism when the state tries to protect my tax dollars from these people´s ignorance
So should we pass laws that fat people can't eat Big Macs? Heart disease is the number one killer in this country and mostly all due to obesity?
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Talk to Basile or someone who lives in Japan on how difficult and expensive it is to get vitamin supplements.
More people are suffering from health problems from eating regular food than the people buying vitamin supplements.
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was the SYPTOMS of carpal tunnel caused by the B deficiency. and YES! banning vitamins IS what this is about. the supp company and big pharm being in CONTROL of natural substances, so they can patent them and make $$$,, again, more govt CONTROL! bc u wont be able to get w/o a presciption. hello!!!! do some of you even bother to read the RX thread or listen to Carls show? I provided the links to both.
in addition note that peripheral nervous injuries like carpal which are caused by persistent nerve compression, lead first to the damage of the cells that compose the myelin sheath that wraps around and "feeds" the axon (the long bit of the of median neuron that goes from your dorsal root ganglion near spine-to your hand) and then to damage of the axon itself at which point things get ugly. Now no one ever gets the myelin sheath cells back almost instantaneously. It takes weeks of repair. So anything that gave u immediate relief only proves my point. its late and I am tired so just research peripheral nerve injury a bit more and u will get my point
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Just let people take their vitamins if they want. They are not hurting anybody. We don't need another law. But if it says 500mg Vit. C per cap it better be 500mg Vit. C.
Numerous studies have shown that people who take vitamin supplements are, in general, far healthier than people who do not. Of course, they are not sure if it's because of the supplements or because they are just more health conscious.
I use to be a fan of McCain but when he had this witch hunt against MMA I started paying closer attention to not what he says but what he does.
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I think women belong in the kitchen.
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It could use some regulating imo.
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No, what you do to yourself is one thing. What you do to another is something else entirely.
Having someone else have to pay for your irresponsible behavior is a problem of socialism not freedom.
If you are going to give lessons you need to write better and more coherently.
before i go to sleep , just which part of
Well because there is no real “only me”. Many people (who make the laws) believe that what you do with your life concerns them because life is sacred (god etc) or they owe u a duty of care. If u say fuck that, then think that when u die or get ill there are consequences to many other people. You take a shit drug and get chronically ill. In the end someone will end up paying ur bills.
did u not understand
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before i go to sleep , just which part of
Well because there is no real “only me”. Many people (who make the laws) believe that what you do with your life concerns them because life is sacred (god etc) or they owe u a duty of care. If u say fuck that, then think that when u die or get ill there are consequences to many other people. You take a shit drug and get chronically ill. In the end someone will end up paying ur bills.
did u not understand
No, I understand. I just don't agree with it. It's one thing to educate and persuade people on what you think they should or should not do. It's another to pass a law. To use the force of the state to compel you to do what they have unilaterally determined what is good for you. My friend's dad is a diabetic. He's in poor health and does nothing to improve his situation and just eats whatever he wants. I talked to him about this and he just told me, "Look, I'm 80 fucking years old. It's just not worth it to me to eat egg whites and brocolli. I like brownies. I just want to enjoy what years I have left."
You take a shit drug and get ill you sue the company to millions. It has happened many times. How many have gotten ill taken vitamin supplement and how does that number compare to how many people have gotten ill just eating junk food and too much of it?
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There's already regulations governing the industry
Just let people take their vitamins if they want. They are not hurting anybody. We don't need another law. But if it says 500mg Vit. C per cap it better be 500mg Vit. C.
You didn’t address my earlier post. You stated that there are regulations already in place. How is this industry regulated now? Who are the sup companies accountable to? How do we, the consumer, know that the ingredients claimed on the label are even in the tablet?
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You didn’t address my earlier post. You stated that there are regulations already in place. How is this industry regulated now? Who are the sup companies accountable to? How do we, the consumer, know that the ingredients claimed on the label are even in the tablet?
I don't know all the details but some are that you have to state what ingredients are contained in the products and how much. You're limited to the claims you can make on the products. We know what ingredients are claimed just like we know what's contained in the making of SPAM of Bologna. Supplement companies have been busted before for not containing or containing ingredients that they did not specify. Look how many times Joe Weider has been sued, and lost, for making false claims and not having a pure product.
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Just a couple of examples (the last on being on the potential benefits of supplements):
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/man-promising-effortless-weight-loss-sentenced-to-20-292702.html
http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22372:fda-to-screen-ads-of-food-supplements-&catid=26:nation&Itemid=63
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/02/ftc_supplement_scam.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100211163116.htm
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I don't know all the details but some are that you have to state what ingredients are contained in the products and how much. You're limited to the claims you can make on the products. We know what ingredients are claimed just like we know what's contained in the making of SPAM of Bologna. Supplement companies have been busted before for not containing or containing ingredients that they did not specify. Look how many times Joe Weider has been sued, and lost, for making false claims and not having a pure product.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there are no regulations whatsoever governing the supplement industry. None. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.. I really dont know)
I’ll go further and say that the majority of these supplement companies (especially the companies geared towards the bodybuilding market) are not trust worthy.. the entire industry is built on lies and deceit.. for profit. They will do or say whatever they can to part chumps with their hard earned money.
If they will blatantly lie about a products effectiveness.. (oh yes, it will help you build muscle.. just look at the enormous bodybuilder in our advertisement.. that’s proof ::)) why would you trust them to be honest and live up to the ingredient claims? Especially when they don’t have to? It’s a fucking free for all..
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I personally believe all Drugs should legal to do in the privacy of your own home.
thats an outrage. you have no right to tell me where i can and can not intoxicate myself. as long as it is not on private property, nor in a situation where my being intoxicated puts others freedoms at risk.
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I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there are no regulations whatsoever governing the supplement industry. None.
I’ll go further and say that the majority of these supplement companies (especially the companies geared towards the bodybuilding market) are not trust worthy.. the entire industry is built on lies and deceit.. for profit. They will do or say whatever they can to part chumps with their hard earned money.
If they will blatantly lie about a products effectiveness.. (oh yes, it will help you build muscle.. just look at the enormous bodybuilder in our advertisement.. that’s proof ::)) why would you trust them to be honest and live up to the ingredient claims? Especially when they don’t have to? It’s a fucking free for all..
Friend, companies are sued all the time. Remember Gaspari had to reformulate his Halodrol product because there was an ingredient that was in the product but not declared on the label. I use to work part time for Vitamin Shoppe as recently as last June and I remember we were always having to pull stuff off the shelves because of recalls. There was this one sexual enhancement product that contained Viagra that we had to pull. We pulled all the Hydoxycut because of some problems with the product.
It is not a "fucking free for all." Not by a long shot.
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Friend, companies are sued all the time. Remember Gaspari had to reformulate his Halodrol product because there was an ingredient that was in the product but not declared on the label. I use to work part time for Vitamin Shoppe as recently as last June and I remember we were always having to pull stuff off the shelves because of recalls. There was this one sexual enhancement product that contained Viagra that we had to pull. We pulled all the Hydoxycut because of some problems with the product.
It is not a "fucking free for all." Not by a long shot.
I am just wondering who checks.. who tests the supps to see if they contain what the label says? Either way.. it is a free for all. Walk into gnc.. look at all of the shit on the shelves that is supposed to improve your body - none of it works. Seriously. Its all bullshit.
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More examples that it is not a free for all anything goes industry. They are watched very closely. BTW, when I worked at the Vitamin Shoppe they were very strict about what we said a product can and cannot do and absolutely forbidden to make any claim whatsoever about any product that can cure or treat a disease or illness. I was under the impression the industy as a whole always seemed on pins and needles.
http://www.setexasrecord.com/news/224630-suit-alleges-fitness-supplement-caused-liver-damage
http://www.healthnews.com/nutrition-diet/weight-loss/weight-loss-supplements-undergo-scrutiny-4072.html
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/diet-supplement-linked-to-illness-20100201-n6te.html
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I am just wondering who checks.. who tests the supps to see if they contain what the label says? Either way.. it is a free for all. Walk into gnc.. look at all of the shit on the shelves that is supposed to improve your body - none of it works. Seriously. Its all bullshit.
Depends what you mean by "works." Are you saying that if you take a protein supplement you are not increasing your protein intake. My sister is anemic and is taking iron supplements on the advice of her doctor. Her red blood count is now normal. I don't process B12 and had to take monthly shots when I was a kid and young adult until they came out with the sublingual methyl version.
If taking Vit C or creatine "works" is for you to decide. But I do believe that when you take a Vit C pill or a creatine supplement you are getting both Vit. C and creatine.
I sometime take one of those energy drinks. It works. It has caffiene and other stimulants.
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University study showing the possible effectiveness of a weight loss product.
http://www.dnaindia.com/health/report_tri-pepper-blend-supplement-burns-as-many-calories-as-20-min-walk_1342660
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I’m just googling.. What does this say.. That by 2010 the supp companies will be accountable for the manufacturing process (good manufacturing practices)? I'm too tired to read read right now.. my brain isn't computing. I found it on wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement
United States Regulation
Pursuant to the DSHEA, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates dietary supplements as foods, and not as drugs. While pharmaceutical companies are required to obtain FDA approval proving the safety or effectiveness of their products prior to their entry into the market, dietary supplements, like food, do not need to be pre-approved by FDA before they can enter the market.[13]
The DSHEA gave the FDA the express responsibility to regulate the manufacturing processes of dietary supplements, and the FDA issued its first proposed rule in 2003.[14] In June 2007 it issued its final rule,[15] which requires all dietary supplement manufacturers to ensure by June 2010 that production of dietary supplements complies with current good manufacturing practices, and be manufactured with "controls that result in a consistent product free of contamination, with accurate labeling."[16] In addition, the industry is now required to report to the FDA "all serious dietary supplement related adverse events." The new rules have been criticized, however, with skeptics arguing lack of FDA resources, loopholes, and an exception on quality assurance for raw material suppliers (with the burden placed on manufacturers) will lead to continued quality problems.[17] There's also concern that supplement manufacturers and retailers will hide behind the new regulations.[17] Prior to the rule supplements have had major quality problems, and the number of FDA investigators has declined.[18]
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pellius is making some informative points. I am also not too well read on how much the industry regulates itself. good to know, thanks for posting the info.
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pellius is making some informative points. I am also not too well read on how much the industry regulates itself. good to know, thanks for posting the info.
I use to work part time at the Vitamin Shopped for a couple of years and I was surprised at how strict they were. What you said and the claims you made. And also how we were always pulling shit off the shelves because of some complaint, scandal or whatever. Even if it wasn't required, like the Hydroxycut incident. But if there was the slightest doubt off the shelves it went and I was playing Mr. Stockboy again. I hated it and didn't realize that the nutritional industry was on such pins and needles. But I think this probably applies to the big name stores like Vitamin Shopped, GNC, Vitamin World....
The hole in the wall places don't give a crap and get away with more because they are not watched as closely. And this applies to the brand names to the products you buy. Long term established big brand names, Puritan Pride, Natures Way, Source Naturals, any GMP certified brands. It's just not worth it to them to save a few shekels and risks ruining your reputation. Too much is at stake and too much work went into developing your reputation. You buy the cheap off name brands you're more likely get into trouble.
But this applies to everything you buy anywhere. Buy no name cheap stuff versus solid established brands -- it's your choice. Maybe I just want some everyday cheap athletic shoes that I'll use to kick around with and save the more expensive brand for when I'm doing some serious training. I don't need the government to tell me what's good for me. If I make a bad choice then it's live and learn. It's part of being an adult and taking responsibility for your choices you make in life. I already have a mommy and daddy. I don't need a nanny government always sticking their nose in my business.
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I use to work part time at the Vitamin Shopped for a couple of years and I was surprised at how strict they were. What you said and the claims you made. And also how we were always pulling shit off the shelves because of some complaint, scandal or whatever. Even if it wasn't required, like the Hydroxycut incident. But if there was the slightest doubt off the shelves it went and I was playing Mr. Stockboy again. I hated it and didn't realize that the nutritional industry was on such pins and needles. But I think this probably applies to the big name stores like Vitamin Shopped, GNC, Vitamin World....
The hole in the wall places don't give a crap and get away with more because they are not watched as closely. And this applies to the brand names to the products you buy. Long term established big brand names, Puritan Pride, Natures Way, Source Naturals, any GMP certified brands. It's just not worth it to them to save a few shekels and risks ruining your reputation. Too much is at stake and too much work went into developing your reputation. You buy the cheap off name brands you're more likely get into trouble.
But this applies to everything you buy anywhere. Buy no name cheap stuff versus solid established brands -- it's your choice. Maybe I just want some everyday cheap athletic shoes that I'll use to kick around with and save the more expensive brand for when I'm doing some serious training. I don't need the government to tell me what's good for me. If I make a bad choice then it's live and learn. It's part of being an adult and taking responsibility for your choices you make in life. I already have a mommy and daddy. I don't need a nanny government always sticking their nose in my business.
I always buy NOW and Source Naturals for years. Love the quality, cant go wrong with either one. What it says on the label, IS what is in the product, and it always works for what I intended. I would be terribly sad to see these companies disappear.
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Depends what you mean by "works." Are you saying that if you take a protein supplement you are not increasing your protein intake. My sister is anemic and is taking iron supplements on the advice of her doctor. Her red blood count is now normal. I don't process B12 and had to take monthly shots when I was a kid and young adult until they came out with the sublingual methyl version.
If taking Vit C or creatine "works" is for you to decide. But I do believe that when you take a Vit C pill or a creatine supplement you are getting both Vit. C and creatine.
I sometime take one of those energy drinks. It works. It has caffiene and other stimulants.
Also depends on what you mean by "supplement".
Yeah....vitamin C is vitamin C.
When I think of "supplements" i think of the bullshit BBing supplements that claim to build muscle but don't do jack shit. Aside from creatine, which basically just makes you hold water in your muscles, they are all ineffective.
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I always buy NOW and Source Naturals for years. Love the quality, cant go wrong with either one. What it says on the label, IS what is in the product, and it always works for what I intended. I would be terribly sad to see these companies disappear.
How could I haven't about NOW. That's one of my favs as well as Source Naturals. In fact, I have some Source Natural melatonin 2.5mg just inches from me and about to take it.
To answer James001 question about if it works. You damn well it does/
Good night. Amost midnight here in Hawaii.
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Also depends on what you mean by "supplement".
Yeah....vitamin C is vitamin C.
When I think of "supplements" i think of the bullshit BBing supplements that claim to build muscle but don't do jack shit. Aside from creatine, which basically just makes you hold water in your muscles, they are all ineffective.
I'm with you 100% there my brother.
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How could I haven't about NOW. That's one of my favs as well as Source Naturals. In fact, I have some Source Natural melatonin 2.5mg just inches from me and about to take it.
To answer James001 question about if it works. You damn well it does/
Good night. Amost midnight here in Hawaii.
you lightweight! its almost 5am here in NYC! ;D
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you lightweight! its almost 5am here in NYC! ;D
I had root canal this afternoon and I'm all hopped up on percocet right now :D :D
That stuff gives me energy out the ass. I'm seriously thinking about hitting the gym right now.
I've already washed all my bedding, cooked meals for the next three days and put a new stereo in my truck
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Also depends on what you mean by "supplement".
Yeah....vitamin C is vitamin C.
When I think of "supplements" i think of the bullshit BBing supplements that claim to build muscle but don't do jack shit. Aside from creatine, which basically just makes you hold water in your muscles, they are all ineffective.
Im not much into BBing supplements other than protien powder.. even at that I buy it in the form of powdered egg whites, so really its just food. I came at the bodybuilding community with this because you also stand to lose your choices in the matter. Some of you care, some of you dont. This will kill the entire supplement industry as we know it.
My main concern is the vitamins, herbal supplements, raw extracts, oils, etc. The things people take for granted. Natural products that FDA wants to control so that big pharma can patent and make $. Believe it or not, these substances are preventative to many types of cancers and cure many illnesses, not to mention greatly improving the quality of life.
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Im not much into BBing supplements other than protien powder.. even at that I buy it in the form of powdered egg whites, so really its just food. I came at the bodybuilding community with this because you also stand to lose your choices in the matter. Some of you care, some of you dont. This will kill the entire supplement industry as we know it.
My main concern is the vitamins, herbal supplements, raw extracts, oils, etc. The things people take for granted. Natural products that FDA wants to control so that big pharma can patent and make $. Believe it or not, these substances are preventative to many types of cancers and cure many illnesses.
I believe that homeopathic supplements can be very effective, it's the BBing and weight loss crap that tars the whole industry.
I don't know much about it, but i would think they are going after the snake-oil salesmen...i don't think they give two shits about milk thistle and hawthorne berry. i could be wrong...I'll read the stuff you posted
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I believe that homeopathic supplements can be very effective, it's the BBing and weight loss crap that tars the whole industry.
I don't know much about it, but i would think they are going after the snake-oil salesmen...i don't think they give two shits about milk thistle and hawthorne berry. i could be wrong...I'll read the stuff you posted
ok, better yet.. listen to the show. www.superhumanradio.com #453
i better take my ass to bed!!! 8) nite nite
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4 weeksout and I take only Tribulus(Obliged by Paco :-\),and vitamine. Thats it.
Basicaly i dont believe in supps.
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4 weeksout and I take only Tribulus(Obliged by Paco :-\),and vitamine. Thats it.
Basicaly i dont believe in supps.
There have been a few scientific studies concluding that tribulus does not increase testosterone or strength in humans. Maybe the dosage was too low?
Here is a few:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994038 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994038)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942)
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There have been a few scientific studies concluding that tribulus does not increase testosterone or strength in humans. Maybe the dosage was too low?
Here is a few:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994038 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994038)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942)
Yeah. I know this.
Just i am taking that in case if it works.
but I am not expecting a significant effect though.
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Yeah. I know this.
Just i am taking that in case if it works.
but I am not expecting a significant effect though.
It might work with high doses, as it did increase testosterone in animal studies.
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When I think of "supplements" i think of the bullshit BBing supplements that claim to build muscle but don't do jack shit. Aside from creatine, which basically just makes you hold water in your muscles, they are all ineffective.
yes, its all bullshit.
It’s a shady industry and if it was regulated at all, which its not, these scum ball companies couldn’t rip people off anymore.
The entire *bodybuilding* industry is set up to rip people off.. the sup companies run the show.. I’d like to see all of them wiped out.
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pellius is making some informative points. I am also not too well read on how much the industry regulates itself. good to know, thanks for posting the info.
Laugh my fucking ass off.. *how well the industry regulates itself*.. you people are in dream land.
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yes, its all bullshit.
It’s a shady industry and if it was regulated at all, which its not, these scum ball companies couldn’t rip people off anymore.
The entire *bodybuilding* industry is set up to rip people off.. the sup companies run the show.. I’d like to see all of them wiped out.
truth, a little regulation of the sup industry wouldnt be a bad thing.
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follow this thread, and lets start one here as well.
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