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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
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Skip the juice, and put some synthol in your arm. You will get much better results.
(http://realclearfit.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/synthol3.jpg)
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Why would you want to juice, it's just the finishing touch
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just make sure you know exactly what you are doing esp. with the PCT part. and make sure you dont go overboard with everything.
no i havent done it myself lol but was considering it and did a ton of research a while back
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Synthol looks like shit, when they get older it looks so terrible. Like Flex Wheeler, thin body and tiny shoulders with big bloated arms.
It's getting much more popular though.
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No it's not worth it, especially since you won't be dedicated enough to get the most out of it. Train naturally, eat right and be happy. Juice should only be used by competitors. Not someone that wants to light cycle. Cycle right or don't bother.
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its worth it.....
bench
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Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching
Hahaha holy shit. You have your other foot in the grave don't you old man. What a geezer you are. ::)
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Juice for for the first two months of summer. Get lean while keeping the size. Rule the beach/pool. Then get off for 9-10 months.
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This is Goodrum on roids as he said. So NO it is NOT worth it
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
I see Discrepancy , If your natural test are droping how can you look for solid gains that can be maintained naturally? think about it ....
100 % of drug monkeys are motivated by "the just one cycle to keep what i build "naturaly", sadly it doesnt work that way.
As soon as you get off the sauce the first thing you'll notice is that Juice is not the finishing touch! nevermind your muscle shrinking and skin looking thicker even when you're eating clean but you'll also feel like shit when you train and do cardio....
Not worthy, unless you find a good dealer that will always get you the same exact "supps' that you need but not for a cycle here and there .
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Imo no. Permanent hrt is another matter.
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I see Discrepancy , If your natural test are droping how can you look for solid gains that can be maintained naturally? think about it ....
100 % of drug monkeys are motivated by "the just one cycle to keep what i build "naturaly", sadly it doesnt work that way.
As soon as you get off the sauce the first thing you'll notice is that Juice is not the finishing touch! nevermind your muscle shrinking and skin looking thicker even when you're eating clean but you'll also feel like shit when you train and do cardio....
Not worthy, unless you find a good dealer that will always get you the same exact "supps' that you need but not for a cycle here and there .
Not hard these days. To the thread starter, steriods are a personal choice and if you come to a message board for affirmation
on whether to use them you should probably not use until you're mature enough or educated enough to understand the long-term
effects they may have.
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Not hard these days. To the thread starter, steriods are a personal choice and if you come to a message board for affirmation
on whether to use them you should probably not use until you're mature enough or educated enough to understand the long-term
effects they may have.
I hear all the time from dealers (I dont have what youre looking for this week,but i have this wich pretty much does the same)
plus its ilegal,can be fake,or expired or different prices all the time.... so thats why my advice is to get a "decent" dealer If he ever decides to put artificial hormones in his body...its not a joke
Plus The guy is in his 30's he should be mature enough.
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I see Discrepancy , If your natural test are droping how can you look for solid gains that can be maintained naturally? think about it ....
100 % of drug monkeys are motivated by "the just one cycle to keep what i build "naturaly", sadly it doesnt work that way.
As soon as you get off the sauce the first thing you'll notice is that Juice is not the finishing touch! nevermind your muscle shrinking and skin looking thicker even when you're eating clean but you'll also feel like shit when you train and do cardio....
Not worthy, unless you find a good dealer that will always get you the same exact "supps' that you need but not for a cycle here and there .
I've heard a lot of mixed things about this. Some people say that if your diet, excercise and rest are dialed in that you can gain and keep like 15 pounds of muscle off a cycle. While other people say you will lose it all. It's a very mixed message.
So what's the truth? We've seen guys like Levrone shrink down to nothing when coming off roids, but is that because that totally stopped lifting? Or is that more of the norm?
Personally, I have been lifting and keeping my diet straight for 15 years and i'm definitely consistent and disciplined about it. I don't plan on stopping lifting or slacking off for for sure.
Right now i'm floating from country to country. So finding a reliable dealer is out of the question. But I am about to settle down for a few months in a country that has lots of steroids and drugs so I was thinking about doing while out there. But then after that I might spend another year in a place with really strict drug laws, so it'll be natural again at that point.
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I hear all the time from dealers (I dont have what youre looking for this week,but i have this wich pretty much does the same)
plus its ilegal,can be fake,or expired or different prices all the time.... so thats why my advice is to get a "decent" dealer If he ever decides to put artificial hormones in his body...its not a joke
Plus The guy is in his 30's he should be mature enough.
Local dealer, pffttt. He obviously is not mature enough if he needs getbig approval to use steroids.
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Not hard these days. To the thread starter, steriods are a personal choice and if you come to a message board for affirmation
on whether to use them you should probably not use until you're mature enough or educated enough to understand the long-term
effects they may have.
Yeah I know, it all comes down to my choice. Just looking for some other opinions and feedback. I have done my research but that final decision is tough. And like I said, in my research i've found a lot of mixed messages.
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Juice for for the first two months of summer. Get lean while keeping the size. Rule the beach/pool. Then get off for 9-10 months.
good advice for the avg. user.
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Local dealer, pffttt. He obviously is not mature enough if he needs getbig approval to use steroids.
I don't need getbig approval. I'm more curious about what kind of gains I could expect from a relatively light cycle occasionally and if this approach is worth it.
Re-read my OP, there are specific circumstances to my situation.
If I was just chilling in the USA it would be a different story.
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I don't need getbig approval. I'm more curious about what kind of gains I could expect from a relatively light cycle occasionally and if this approach is worth it.
Re-read my OP, there are specific circumstances to my situation.
If I was just chilling in the USA it would be a different story.
You cannot compare what you may gain to what another individual may gain. Goodluck with your quest.
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well, if you are able to earn GOOD money from it..... maybe its sustainable for a while.
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How do you know your test levels are dropping when you're not even in your 30's yet? That's ridiculous - I think you're just looking for an excuse to take them.
If you're never going to compete then there's no reason why you should be using gear. You can build an outstanding physique by hard training and proper diet alone which will stand you out significantly from the general non-training public (and even those who do train). You've just got to man up and do the best you can with what you've got. Good luck.
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What do you think?
What do YOU think?
(http://65.img.v4.skyrock.net/657/khofo-biceps/pics/2808020877_1.jpg)
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What do YOU think?
(http://65.img.v4.skyrock.net/657/khofo-biceps/pics/2808020877_1.jpg)
I've seen photos like this before. But from what was said about it before, this guy probably TOTALLY stopped lifting weights and trying to maintain his muscles. But if he did keep on lifting he could have kept quite a lot of his mass.
I know a lot of guys who juiced a lot and seemed to keep a lot of their gains. I guess I have to just search for the truth myself.
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What do YOU think?
(http://65.img.v4.skyrock.net/657/khofo-biceps/pics/2808020877_1.jpg)
BWHAAAAAAAA............. well, at least, he retain his liver
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This is Goodrum on roids as he said. So NO it is NOT worth it
haha..this is a great picture...i'm still amazed he fucking posed that way...
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
Do it! Give yourself to the dark side! Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father!
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
In all honesty: Training without juice is pointless. Unless of course you enjoy training so much that you can't think of any better hobbies.
If you train for looks only, training without juice makes no sense at all.
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
short answer, yes.
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Short term, yes. Long term, maybe not. You may dramatically lower your natural test levels once you do decide you've had enough from juice. But that's ok too, cause you can get the doc to put you on test for life. lol
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Short term, yes. Long term, maybe not. You may dramatically lower your natural test levels once you do decide you've had enough from juice. But that's ok too, cause you can get the doc to put you on test for life. lol
I believe most men, by 40, should go on hrt. Without T life begins to suck in many different ways.
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In all honesty: Training without juice is pointless. Unless of course you enjoy training so much that you can't think of any better hobbies.
If you train for looks only, training without juice makes no sense at all.
natural lifters who have decent genetics, are athletic, eat well and weight train consistently will look better than about 95% of the people out there.
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I believe most men, by 40, should go on hrt. Without T life begins to suck in many different ways.
Yes, I'm tryin andriol right now but not sure and it's been 3 weeks, almost 4 :-X
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natural lifters who have decent genetics, are athletic, eat well and weight train consistently will look better than about 95% of the people out there.
But not to the extend to shock the ordinary "worms" out there.
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natural lifters who have decent genetics, are athletic, eat well and weight train consistently will look better than about 95% of the people out there.
True.
Also they don't have to worry about sides.
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How do you know your test levels are dropping when you're not even in your 30's yet? That's ridiculous - I think you're just looking for an excuse to take them.
If you're never going to compete then there's no reason why you should be using gear. You can build an outstanding physique by hard training and proper diet alone which will stand you out significantly from the general non-training public (and even those who do train). You've just got to man up and do the best you can with what you've got. Good luck.
Best advice yet.
Remember that steroids are drugs.. and you're gonna wanna go back on once off. THis is why i won't mess w them.
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You can't build a good physique if your test levels are low though no matter how well you diet and how hard you train.
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Skip the juice, and put some synthol in your arm. You will get much better results.
(http://realclearfit.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/synthol3.jpg)
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what are you suggesting ?
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You should juice heavily for the rest of your life. Then you won't have to worry about endogenous testosterone production.
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You should juice heavily for the rest of your life until your heart and all surrounding organs fail by age 55. Then you won't have to worry about endogenous testosterone production.
fixed
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You should juice heavily for the rest of your life. Then you won't have to worry about endogenous testosterone production.
;D
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same as what i said, just a little more detailed ;D
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No, it's not worth it. Why would it ever be. Depending on pills and needles for the rest of your life.
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what's the point? are you gonna score more babes because you'll be on the sauce? haha
what are you gonna say when somebody asks you if you're on roids (when you are in fact juicing)? lie and say no?
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Most people don't look much better for having taken them.
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pop superdrol clone.....
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
If you are training for the competition, why not? If you are training for better condition, healthier life etc. it isn't worth it. Point is, that with juicing, you get fake muscles which shrink away if you stop juicing, and there isn't any way to stop that to happen, no matter what the geeks of the getbig says. So if you are in to lying to yourself, go for it and you still know all the time what is the truth. Train without juicing and you always know that all you get out of it, isn't fake. Juicing without potential career of competition in this sport is for idiots and brats with low self esteem and is its just as smart as using synthol like those Latino teens. And another point of view is that you never know what happens till you try it. I don't say that your dick fall of, but there is plenty of side effects etc. which could make your life quite interesting and there will be some no matter what. For example, are you ready for teen age acne all over again? If you haven't try them, you don't know how that stuff fit to your system, how much you need for "reasonable results" and how much money you have to invest to this crap.
There will be great number of experts and advisers in the net, but who you can trust? If you don't have a real doctor to consult about the matter, you are on your own because these internet gurus and wise ass brats will treat you as an guinea pig and feed you so much bullshit that it comes out to your ears. Want some evidence? Just read this forum and you realize that there is quite small percent of these clowns who is mentally stable, and great number of little boys who are just as stupid as you can get. Are you willing to put your health and future in those hands? You could find yourself eating dry yeast and smoking pot till your heart stops ;D
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not worth the sides.
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You don't just lose the muscle you gained if you keep training and eating correctly. You definately will be at another level if you do a few cycles, a level you cannot reach naturally no matter how many years you train.
IMO use it while dieting it will be better. I also do not believe PCT makes much difference, your body has to bounce back from something i believe PCT just delayed things when i used it.
I used for 4 years and cleaned out. I have still gained muscle since i stopped. I would not look how i do now without that juicing, no way.
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If you are training for the competition, why not? If you are training for better condition, healthier life etc. it isn't worth it. Point is, that with juicing, you get fake muscles which shrink away if you stop juicing, and there isn't any way to stop that to happen, no matter what the geeks of the getbig says. So if you are in to lying to yourself, go for it and you still know all the time what is the truth. Train without juicing and you always know that all you get out of it, isn't fake. Juicing without potential career of competition in this sport is for idiots and brats with low self esteem and is its just as smart as using synthol like those Latino teens. And another point of view is that you never know what happens till you try it. I don't say that your dick fall of, but there is plenty of side effects etc. which could make your life quite interesting and there will be some no matter what. For example, are you ready for teen age acne all over again? If you haven't try them, you don't know how that stuff fit to your system, how much you need for "reasonable results" and how much money you have to invest to this crap.
There will be great number of experts and advisers in the net, but who you can trust? If you don't have a real doctor to consult about the matter, you are on your own because these internet gurus and wise ass brats will treat you as an guinea pig and feed you so much bullshit that it comes out to your ears. Want some evidence? Just read this forum and you realize that there is quite small percent of these clowns who is mentally stable, and great number of little boys who are just as stupid as you can get. Are you willing to put your health and future in those hands? You could find yourself eating dry yeast and smoking pot till your heart stops ;D
Considering how you have spent two paragraghs taking pot shots at people, as well as lies about juicing (clearly you have no idea), i'd say you are not one of those who is mentally stable.
To OP, i know i just posted it, but you do NOT just lose your muscle when you stop juicing. If you keep at it, you should hold most if not all. You will lose bloat and fluid that juice will hold and as a result you will probably look better off juice.
Maybe it's hard for me to compare myself to these bullshit stories though since i am dedicated where as most people who juice and then lose anything arn't.
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It's funny how people can never really get a straight answer on this. Actually each person does give a straight answer but the answers totally contradict each other.
In about 6 months i'll be in a position where I can do a cycle. At that point if I still want to do it i'll just do a little Test/Dbol cycle to try it out. In the meantime i'll just keep on researching it and think about it.
Maybe I should just take this to the steroid forum, but what about just doing a cycle of anaver only? Sounds like it's very very mild, but can still give some results. Maybe a really mild boost like that is right for me?
To guys who say that training naturally is a waste of time, that's total bullshit. I have totally transformed myself naturally. The best part of lifting is that for me it's like a yoga or a meditation, it makes me feel happy and great. If I don't do it I just don't feel as good.
I think that if you're the kind of person who will only train on juice, that's weak as fuck.
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It's funny how people can never really get a straight answer on this. Actually each person does give a straight answer but the answers totally contradict each other.
In about 6 months i'll be in a position where I can do a cycle. At that point if I still want to do it i'll just do a little Test/Dbol cycle to try it out. In the meantime i'll just keep on researching it and think about it.
Maybe I should just take this to the steroid forum, but what about just doing a cycle of anaver only? Sounds like it's very very mild, but can still give some results. Maybe a really mild boost like that is right for me?
To guys who say that training naturally is a waste of time, that's total bullshit. I have totally transformed myself naturally. The best part of lifting is that for me it's like a yoga or a meditation, it makes me feel happy and great. If I don't do it I just don't feel as good.
I think that if you're the kind of person who will only train on juice, that's weak as fuck.
Most people won't look much better for having used. People will argue I'm wrong because a lot of chronic abusers are never truly off cycle and also have some form of Body Dysmorphic Disorder going on. You'll never get a straight answer from them but all the proof is in the no-pic pudding. :) Use some simple logic: Tons of people here use yet only a few ever look decent enough to post a pic. That tells you everything! Notice I'm not saying they don't work or build muscle, just that a majority of people who use them really don't look any better.
Retaining muscle? The people I've seen who look the best long term get all their protein from whole food. That's my opinion and there's no scientific basis for it. My best guess: slight differences in bioavailability make the body work a little harder to make the muscle and create better memory. Shakes are great and definitely help build muscle but a huge part of the effect is from being better hydrated, especially in leaner people.
Someone who has plateaued naturally should probably take a break, change their diet, switch workouts or do something drastic like powerlift for a while. I say this because it's really unlikely low test or gH levels are why the typical natty has stopped having results.
One man's $0.02.
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Considering how you have spent two paragraghs taking pot shots at people, as well as lies about juicing (clearly you have no idea), i'd say you are not one of those who is mentally stable.
To OP, i know i just posted it, but you do NOT just lose your muscle when you stop juicing. If you keep at it, you should hold most if not all. You will lose bloat and fluid that juice will hold and as a result you will probably look better off juice.
Maybe it's hard for me to compare myself to these bullshit stories though since i am dedicated where as most people who juice and then lose anything arn't.
You are talking out of your ass and you know it, so why don't just shut up, because your math doesn't ad up at all.
1. If you want to use gear, you need increase protein intake up to level match your need.
2. If you maintain that level without using gear, you only get fat, and if you don't, you loose muscle mass. Very simple fact. What gear do to you, is that it speed up your metabolism and you can't maintain that speed level without drugs. If you don't keep it up with drugs, you can't eat as much protein you need because your system can't process it. If you cant process it, you store it as fat, because fat is only form of energy your body can store. It is just plain and simple like force of gravity, no matter how much your gear expert mambo jambo you put in. Your motive on this matter is make fools do same mistakes which you have done just to make you feel better because that way your not only imbecile in this forum. And why you use gear? Just look bigger? Never going to competition? You need a big bicep because your dick is like a toothpick? Why you don't use synthol instead, with that shit you will look even bigger, and if you use it to that toothpick, it will grow.
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
Try cycling only once or twice a year using minor gear and you will grow as long as you are consistent with your training and diet. That way most of your gains will be 'real' and you wont look like a juicehead/walking heart attack.
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You don't just lose the muscle you gained if you keep training and eating correctly. You definately will be at another level if you do a few cycles, a level you cannot reach naturally no matter how many years you train.
IMO use it while dieting it will be better. I also do not believe PCT makes much difference, your body has to bounce back from something i believe PCT just delayed things when i used it.
I used for 4 years and cleaned out. I have still gained muscle since i stopped. I would not look how i do now without that juicing, no way.
I agree. I haven't juiced in 5 years but did 4-5 cycles with long breaks in between them. I did lose some muscle but not all of it- maybe half. It did ruin my intensity for weight lifting though after experiencing how easy it was to gain muscle and strength while "on".
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I agree. I haven't juiced in 5 years but did 4-5 cycles with long breaks in between them. I did lose some muscle but not all of it- maybe half. It did ruin my intensity for weight lifting though after experiencing how easy it was to gain muscle and strength while "on".
training clean and on both have there positves/neg,the only drawback to training clean strenght wise is no matter how much u eat,supp,rest between sets u hit plateau's or pretty much max out and that's it,'on'your body literally gets stronger wk to wkout for duration of ur cycle ,it's almost unfair.
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keeping protein levels high when you stop gear is key to keeping gains- even more so than lifting the same weight imo.
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
How do you know your test levels are dropping. That doesn`t sound normal at all given your age.
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keeping protein levels high when you stop gear is key to keeping gains- even more so than lifting the same weight imo.
if your test levels drops to an 8 y old girls level it doesn't matter how much protein you consume. there wont be a high enough protein synthesis going on to absorb all the protein.
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In all honesty: Training without juice is pointless. Unless of course you enjoy training so much that you can't think of any better hobbies.
If you train for looks only, training without juice makes no sense at all.
Well said and this is the truth.
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You are talking out of your ass and you know it, so why don't just shut up, because your math doesn't ad up at all.
1. If you want to use gear, you need increase protein intake up to level match your need.
2. If you maintain that level without using gear, you only get fat, and if you don't, you loose muscle mass. Very simple fact. What gear do to you, is that it speed up your metabolism and you can't maintain that speed level without drugs. If you don't keep it up with drugs, you can't eat as much protein you need because your system can't process it. If you cant process it, you store it as fat, because fat is only form of energy your body can store. It is just plain and simple like force of gravity, no matter how much your gear expert mambo jambo you put in. Your motive on this matter is make fools do same mistakes which you have done just to make you feel better because that way your not only imbecile in this forum. And why you use gear? Just look bigger? Never going to competition? You need a big bicep because your dick is like a toothpick? Why you don't use synthol instead, with that shit you will look even bigger, and if you use it to that toothpick, it will grow.
I can't argue with you, your post makes no sense and you just attacked something which i didn't even mention.
Your whole point is that you lose muscle when you stop juicing. You have never juiced it's obvious from your posts, so how the fuck do you know? You are against juicing for some reason, probably some natural who can't handle other people making a decision to push it further just because you won't.
Usually can't be bothered with dickheads but the guy asked a serious question and you just lied about it to justify your own choice to yourself. Sorry bro i'm not that insecure i'll give him a straight answer.
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I'm going to be 40 this year. Within the past year, I seriously contemplated trying the juice for the first time ever. Mainly just to see what it would be like.
I talked myself out of it, mainly because I’d fear getting hooking on the results and not want to go off.
Ultimately, I decided my goal is to stick with training for life and be in better shape than most guys in their 50s, 60s and beyond.
After I can get out of the rat race and retire, I want to be strong and healthy to enjoy hopefully many “golden years.”
I'm going to train until I die.
Unless you're at the elite level and and doing well, I think the potential side effects aren't worth it.
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I enjoy training, and I am happy with my gains without using roids. So, I don't think its worth it. To each their own, I guess.
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How do you know your test levels are dropping. That doesn`t sound normal at all given your age.
Can I drop some test on you Jez? ;)
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It's funny how people can never really get a straight answer on this. Actually each person does give a straight answer but the answers totally contradict each other.
In about 6 months i'll be in a position where I can do a cycle. At that point if I still want to do it i'll just do a little Test/Dbol cycle to try it out. In the meantime i'll just keep on researching it and think about it.
Maybe I should just take this to the steroid forum, but what about just doing a cycle of anaver only? Sounds like it's very very mild, but can still give some results. Maybe a really mild boost like that is right for me?
To guys who say that training naturally is a waste of time, that's total bullshit. I have totally transformed myself naturally. The best part of lifting is that for me it's like a yoga or a meditation, it makes me feel happy and great. If I don't do it I just don't feel as good.
I think that if you're the kind of person who will only train on juice, that's weak as fuck.
why anavar?
you're over 30- test is perfect for you. you'll get the best results running 400 mg of a test blend a week. thats all you'll need to feel great and put on a little size.
to answer your original question, its very worth it if you are someone who takes his training seriously, and doesnt just train while he's 'on'.
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keeping protein levels high when you stop gear is key to keeping gains- even more so than lifting the same weight imo.
'imo'?
lol what do you know?
seriously.
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why anavar?
you're over 30- test is perfect for you. you'll get the best results running 400 mg of a test blend a week. thats all you'll need to feel great and put on a little size.
to answer your original question, its very worth it if you are someone who takes his training seriously, and doesnt just train while he's 'on'.
I was thinking of just doing some anavar at first, just to try something really mild with minimum side effects.
I am kind of worried about doing test for 3 reasons:
1. I'm afraid of getting gyno.
2. I'm afraid i'll lost some hair.
3. I'm afraid i'll fuck up my natural test levels.
So I was thinking of just doing a little anavar to gain like 5 pounds of lean muscle with no side effects.Then maybe move into tst later. I've read some stories about guys doing this and getting getting great results. And since it's so mild, they didn't even need to do PCT and had absolutely no side effects.
I'm just a noob to gear though so I might have it all wrong. I'm looking for advice.
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Its certainly worth it man, especially if you are a single guy looking to pull in some tail. Like someone else said, running a 10-12 week cycle in the summer once of year of like 500 mg test and 500 mg of EQ will give you virtually no side effects accept increased libido, strengthened immune system and 15-20 lbs of lean muscle. And despite what some will tell you , chicks dig a fit body. Unless you are bodybuilder huge it can be counter productive but if you are 5'10-6' being 195-215 and lean will help you pull more chicks for sure.
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Luke! Don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side
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Just playin, do whatever makes you happy. I never tried it so I can't say! ;D
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still waiting for that gamma ray cycle to hit the black market...
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I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.
The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.
So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.
What do you think?
It depends really on how serious you take your bbdg. Natural will only get you so far. I always believed in AAS use not AAS Abuse. There's a HUGE difference contrary to what people think. Small amount of AAS on and off will make a world of a difference in your look, recovery and strength and will help you burst through plateaus. But again, it all depends on what you want. If you feel you look good without it then don'e use it.
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why anavar?
you're over 30- test is perfect for you. you'll get the best results running 400 mg of a test blend a week. thats all you'll need to feel great and put on a little size.
to answer your original question, its very worth it if you are someone who takes his training seriously, and doesnt just train while he's 'on'.
All truth ;)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0)
Perfect example of just staying natural.
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I was thinking of just doing some anavar at first, just to try something really mild with minimum side effects.
I am kind of worried about doing test for 3 reasons:
1. I'm afraid of getting gyno.
2. I'm afraid i'll lost some hair.
3. I'm afraid i'll fuck up my natural test levels.
So I was thinking of just doing a little anavar to gain like 5 pounds of lean muscle with no side effects.Then maybe move into tst later. I've read some stories about guys doing this and getting getting great results. And since it's so mild, they didn't even need to do PCT and had absolutely no side effects.
I'm just a noob to gear though so I might have it all wrong. I'm looking for advice.
If you're going to do gear then do it right the first time at least- 500mg of test. Keep a little nova on hand for gyno and PCT with clomid. Forget that anavar shit >:(
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if your test levels drops to an 8 y old girls level it doesn't matter how much protein you consume. there wont be a high enough protein synthesis going on to absorb all the protein.
amino acids stimulate synthesis not test.
no/low protein = no/low synthesis test or no test.
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Ship, everyone is talking about 'increased libido.' That was not my experience. A week or two in, there was a big drop in my physical need for sex unless I was taking hcg too.
Energy, general drive, recovery, confidence, and optimism were all ups and have more to do with the potential for 'addiction' than physique benefits, coupled with the fact that coming off is psychologically rocky.
I liked anavar alone and didn't feel any sexual supression or discontinuation downside, but I was taking really low doses. You won't even gain 5 lean lbs with it tho.
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The people who say 'u wont just have 1 cycle, youll want more and more' is weak.I have cycled and gained alot, but havent bothered or felt the need to go back there again, even though i gained 20lbs.That was 5 years ago and i train even harder now and still get good results training naturally.If its gona bug u and you feel a need to see what happens then i say why not.I prefer my training now and when i reach goals its more satisfying, but people who get 'addicted' are just weak, dont belueve that for a minute
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The people who say 'u wont just have 1 cycle, youll want more and more' is weak.I have cycled and gained alot, but havent bothered or felt the need to go back there again, even though i gained 20lbs.That was 5 years ago and i train even harder now and still get good results training naturally.If its gona bug u and you feel a need to see what happens then i say why not.I prefer my training now and when i reach goals its more satisfying, but people who get 'addicted' are just weak, dont belueve that for a minute
20 lbs in 1 cycle? :o :o sick. Much much did you keep?