Juicing, is it worth it?

[ShipSekki]

 It's funny how people can never really get a straight answer on this. Actually each person does give a straight answer but the answers totally contradict each other.

 In about 6 months i'll be in a position where I can do a cycle. At that point if I still want to do it i'll just do a little Test/Dbol cycle to try it out. In the meantime i'll just keep on researching it and think about it.

 Maybe I should just take this to the steroid forum, but what about just doing a cycle of anaver only? Sounds like it's very very mild, but can still give some results. Maybe a really mild boost like that is right for me?

 To guys who say that training naturally is a waste of time, that's total bullshit. I have totally transformed myself naturally. The best part of lifting is that for me it's like a yoga or a meditation, it makes me feel happy and great. If I don't do it I just don't feel as good.

 I think that if you're the kind of person who will only train on juice, that's weak as fuck.

[drkaje]

It's funny how people can never really get a straight answer on this. Actually each person does give a straight answer but the answers totally contradict each other.

 In about 6 months i'll be in a position where I can do a cycle. At that point if I still want to do it i'll just do a little Test/Dbol cycle to try it out. In the meantime i'll just keep on researching it and think about it.

 Maybe I should just take this to the steroid forum, but what about just doing a cycle of anaver only? Sounds like it's very very mild, but can still give some results. Maybe a really mild boost like that is right for me?

 To guys who say that training naturally is a waste of time, that's total bullshit. I have totally transformed myself naturally. The best part of lifting is that for me it's like a yoga or a meditation, it makes me feel happy and great. If I don't do it I just don't feel as good.

 I think that if you're the kind of person who will only train on juice, that's weak as fuck.

Most people won't look much better for having used. People will argue I'm wrong because a lot of chronic abusers are never truly off cycle and also have some form of Body Dysmorphic Disorder going on. You'll never get a straight answer from them but all the proof is in the no-pic pudding. Use some simple logic: Tons of people here use yet only a few ever look decent enough to post a pic. That tells you everything! Notice I'm not saying they don't work or build muscle, just that a majority of people who use them really don't look any better.

Retaining muscle? The people I've seen who look the best long term get all their protein from whole food. That's my opinion and there's no scientific basis for it. My best guess: slight differences in bioavailability make the body work a little harder to make the muscle and create better memory. Shakes are great and definitely help build muscle but a huge part of the effect is from being better hydrated, especially in leaner people.

Someone who has plateaued naturally should probably take a break, change their diet, switch workouts or do something drastic like powerlift for a while. I say this because it's really unlikely low test or gH levels are why the typical natty has stopped having results.

One man's $0.02.

[Ropo]

Considering how you have spent two paragraghs taking pot shots at people, as well as lies about juicing (clearly you have no idea), i'd say you are not one of those who is mentally stable.

To OP, i know i just posted it, but you do NOT just lose your muscle when you stop juicing. If you keep at it, you should hold most if not all. You will lose bloat and fluid that juice will hold and as a result you will probably look better off juice.

Maybe it's hard for me to compare myself to these bullshit stories though since i am dedicated where as most people who juice and then lose anything arn't.

You are talking out of your ass and you know it, so why don't just shut up, because your math doesn't ad up at all.

1. If you want to use gear, you need increase protein intake up to level match your need.
2. If you maintain that level without using gear, you only get fat, and if you don't, you loose muscle mass. Very simple fact. What gear do to you, is that it speed up your metabolism and you can't maintain that speed level without drugs. If you don't keep it up with drugs, you can't eat as much protein you need because your system can't process it. If you cant process it, you store it as fat, because fat is only form of energy your body can store. It is just plain and simple like force of gravity, no matter how much your gear expert mambo jambo you put in. Your motive on this matter is make fools do same mistakes which you have done just to make you feel better because that way your not only imbecile in this forum. And why you use gear? Just look bigger? Never going to competition? You need a big bicep because your dick is like a toothpick? Why you don't use synthol instead, with that shit you will look even bigger, and if you use it to that toothpick, it will grow.

[geneticmarvel]

I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.

 The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.

 So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.

 What do you think?
 
 

Try cycling only once or twice a year using minor gear and you will grow as long as you are consistent with your training and diet. That way most of your gains will be 'real' and you wont look like a juicehead/walking heart attack.

[leadhead]

You don't just lose the muscle you gained if you keep training and eating correctly. You definately will be at another level if you do a few cycles, a level you cannot reach naturally no matter how many years you train.

IMO use it while dieting it will be better. I also do not believe PCT makes much difference, your body has to bounce back from something i believe PCT just delayed things when i used it.

I used for 4 years and cleaned out. I have still gained muscle since i stopped. I would not look how i do now without that juicing, no way.

I agree. I haven't juiced in 5 years but did 4-5 cycles with long breaks in between them.  I did lose some muscle but not all of it- maybe half. It did ruin my intensity for weight lifting though after experiencing how easy it was to gain muscle and strength while "on".

[njflex]

I agree. I haven't juiced in 5 years but did 4-5 cycles with long breaks in between them.  I did lose some muscle but not all of it- maybe half. It did ruin my intensity for weight lifting though after experiencing how easy it was to gain muscle and strength while "on".

training clean and on both have there positves/neg,the only drawback to training clean strenght wise is no matter how much u eat,supp,rest between sets u hit plateau's or pretty much max out and that's it,'on'your body literally gets stronger wk to wkout for duration of ur cycle ,it's almost unfair.

[Fatpanda]

keeping protein levels high when you stop gear is key to keeping gains- even more so than lifting the same weight imo.

[Jezebelle]

I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.

 The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.

 So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.

 What do you think?
 
 

How do you know your test levels are dropping.  That doesn`t sound normal at all given your age.

[MAXX]

keeping protein levels high when you stop gear is key to keeping gains- even more so than lifting the same weight imo.

if your test levels drops to an 8 y old girls level it doesn't matter how much protein you consume. there wont be a high enough protein synthesis going on to absorb all the protein.

[indie-lad]

In all honesty: Training without juice is pointless. Unless of course you enjoy training so much that you can't think of any better hobbies.

If you train for looks only, training without juice makes no sense at all.

Well said and this is the truth.

[just_a_pilgrim]

You are talking out of your ass and you know it, so why don't just shut up, because your math doesn't ad up at all.

1. If you want to use gear, you need increase protein intake up to level match your need.
2. If you maintain that level without using gear, you only get fat, and if you don't, you loose muscle mass. Very simple fact. What gear do to you, is that it speed up your metabolism and you can't maintain that speed level without drugs. If you don't keep it up with drugs, you can't eat as much protein you need because your system can't process it. If you cant process it, you store it as fat, because fat is only form of energy your body can store. It is just plain and simple like force of gravity, no matter how much your gear expert mambo jambo you put in. Your motive on this matter is make fools do same mistakes which you have done just to make you feel better because that way your not only imbecile in this forum. And why you use gear? Just look bigger? Never going to competition? You need a big bicep because your dick is like a toothpick? Why you don't use synthol instead, with that shit you will look even bigger, and if you use it to that toothpick, it will grow.

I can't argue with you, your post makes no sense and you just attacked something which i didn't even mention.

Your whole point is that you lose muscle when you stop juicing. You have never juiced it's obvious from your posts, so how the fuck do you know? You are against juicing for some reason, probably some natural who can't handle other people making a decision to push it further just because you won't.

Usually can't be bothered with dickheads but the guy asked a serious question and you just lied about it to justify your own choice to yourself. Sorry bro i'm not that insecure i'll give him a straight answer.

[MP]

I'm going to be 40 this year. Within the past year, I seriously contemplated trying the juice for the first time ever. Mainly just to see what it would be like.

I talked myself out of it, mainly because I’d fear getting hooking on the results and not want to go off.

Ultimately, I decided my goal is to stick with training for life and be in better shape than most guys in their 50s, 60s and beyond.

After I can get out of the rat race and retire, I want to be strong and healthy to enjoy hopefully many “golden years.”

I'm going to train until I die.

Unless you're at the elite level and and doing well, I think the potential side effects aren't worth it.

[SF1900]

I enjoy training, and I am happy with my gains without using roids. So, I don't think its worth it. To each their own, I guess.

[MadeYaMelt]

How do you know your test levels are dropping.  That doesn`t sound normal at all given your age.

Can I drop some test on you Jez?   

[no one]

It's funny how people can never really get a straight answer on this. Actually each person does give a straight answer but the answers totally contradict each other.

 In about 6 months i'll be in a position where I can do a cycle. At that point if I still want to do it i'll just do a little Test/Dbol cycle to try it out. In the meantime i'll just keep on researching it and think about it.

 Maybe I should just take this to the steroid forum, but what about just doing a cycle of anaver only? Sounds like it's very very mild, but can still give some results. Maybe a really mild boost like that is right for me?

 To guys who say that training naturally is a waste of time, that's total bullshit. I have totally transformed myself naturally. The best part of lifting is that for me it's like a yoga or a meditation, it makes me feel happy and great. If I don't do it I just don't feel as good.

 I think that if you're the kind of person who will only train on juice, that's weak as fuck.

why anavar?

you're over 30- test is perfect for you. you'll get the best results running 400 mg of a test blend a week. thats all you'll need to feel great and put on a little size.

to answer your original question, its very worth it if you are someone who takes his training seriously, and doesnt just train while he's 'on'.

[no one]

keeping protein levels high when you stop gear is key to keeping gains- even more so than lifting the same weight imo.

'imo'?

lol what do you know?

seriously.

[ShipSekki]

why anavar?

you're over 30- test is perfect for you. you'll get the best results running 400 mg of a test blend a week. thats all you'll need to feel great and put on a little size.

to answer your original question, its very worth it if you are someone who takes his training seriously, and doesnt just train while he's 'on'.

 I was thinking of just doing some anavar at first, just to try something really mild with minimum side effects.

 I am kind of worried about doing test for 3 reasons:

 1. I'm afraid of getting gyno.
 2. I'm afraid i'll lost some hair.
 3. I'm afraid i'll fuck up my natural test levels.

 So I was thinking of just doing a little anavar to gain like 5 pounds of lean muscle with no side effects.Then maybe move into tst later.  I've read some stories about guys doing this and getting getting great results. And since it's so mild, they didn't even need to do PCT and had absolutely no side effects.

 I'm just a noob to gear though so I might have it all wrong. I'm looking for advice.

[Mussolini]

Its certainly worth it man, especially if you are a single guy looking to pull in some tail. Like someone else said, running a 10-12 week cycle in the summer once of year of like 500 mg test and 500 mg of EQ will give you virtually no side effects accept increased libido, strengthened immune system and 15-20 lbs of lean muscle. And despite what some will tell you , chicks dig a fit body. Unless you are bodybuilder huge it can be counter productive but if you are 5'10-6' being 195-215 and lean will help you pull more chicks for sure.

[BIG ACH]

Luke! Don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side






Just playin, do whatever makes you happy.  I never tried it so I can't say! 

[mossel]

still waiting for that gamma ray cycle to hit the black market...

[Playboy]

I've been training naturally all my life. Now my test levels are dropping and my 30s are approaching and i'm thinking about trying out the juice.

 The thing is, I know that I only want to do light cycles occasionally. Because I travel so much, it would be very difficult for me to become a total juice monkey. I am only looking for solid gains that can be maintained naturally. I'm seriously just looking to use the drugs as a finishing touch to reach my own humble goals.

 So what do you think? Is it worth it to do a light cycle here and there, about once per year or once per year and a half? Or should I just leave my body chemistry alone? I here lots of guys say that doing a light cycle here and there is not good, because it just sends your hormone levels on a rollercoaster ride.

 What do you think?
 
 

It depends really on how serious you take your bbdg. Natural will only get you so far. I always believed in AAS use not AAS Abuse. There's a HUGE difference contrary to what people think. Small amount of AAS on and off will make a world of a difference in your look, recovery and strength and will help you burst through plateaus. But again, it all depends on what you want. If you feel you look good without it then don'e use it.

[WillGrant]

why anavar?

you're over 30- test is perfect for you. you'll get the best results running 400 mg of a test blend a week. thats all you'll need to feel great and put on a little size.

to answer your original question, its very worth it if you are someone who takes his training seriously, and doesnt just train while he's 'on'.

All truth 

[musclecenter]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0

[MP]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0

Perfect example of just staying natural.

[leadhead]

I was thinking of just doing some anavar at first, just to try something really mild with minimum side effects.

 I am kind of worried about doing test for 3 reasons:

 1. I'm afraid of getting gyno.
 2. I'm afraid i'll lost some hair.
 3. I'm afraid i'll fuck up my natural test levels.

 So I was thinking of just doing a little anavar to gain like 5 pounds of lean muscle with no side effects.Then maybe move into tst later.  I've read some stories about guys doing this and getting getting great results. And since it's so mild, they didn't even need to do PCT and had absolutely no side effects.

 I'm just a noob to gear though so I might have it all wrong. I'm looking for advice.

If you're going to do gear then do it right the first time at least- 500mg of test. Keep a little nova on hand for gyno and PCT with clomid. Forget that anavar shit