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EXPLOSIVE NEWS
A lingering technical question about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks still haunts some, and it has political implications: How did 200,000 tons of steel disintegrate and drop in 11 seconds? A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/22/inside-the-beltway-70128635/?feat=home_columns
Anyone know?
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yeah....a jetliner crashed, dumbass.
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yeah....a jetliner crashed, dumbass.
lol. Any questions? lol :D
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How many people and how much time would it take to wire a building like the WTC with enough explosives to bring it down?
And how would those people go about wiring the explosives so that no one from the public would see them before they went off?
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I think the theory is that Dick Chenney did it the night before.
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How many people and how much time would it take to wire a building like the WTC with enough explosives to bring it down?
And how would those people go about wiring the explosives so that no one from the public would see them before they went off?
Fucking hard, or impossible? Doesn't change the facts of the collapse, or at least one thousand architects and engineers don't believe it does. :P
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it's like coming home and finding a bed full of jizz that ain't yours.... but your girlfriend has a REALLY good alibi.
People will defend the whore saying "but HOW could she POSSIBLY have cheated when TEN FRIENDS say she was at work?"
You don't know about all that... but you damn sure know there was some fuckin going on in your bed...
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Fucking hard, or impossible? Doesn't change the facts of the collapse, or at least one thousand architects and engineers don't believe it does. :P
My guess, even if every third floor was wired, SOMEONE had to wire it.
How many would it take to wire it and where are all those people now?
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well, a new security team run by bush's brother took over, 6 weeks before attacks. they were appointed by the new guy, who knowingly bought a building that he knew needed 1.5 to 2 bil worth of asbestos conversion in spring 2002.
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And how many architects and engineers are there in the world?
Do they all agree on everything?
If there are 3 million architects and engineers in the world (and you know there's much more than that) and 1000 of them question it then what percentage does that "1000" represent?
I'll give you a hint:
it's less than .4%
So frankly the "1000" of them doesn't mean much. I'd bet you'd find the same or similar percentage in that of architects and engineers that believe in other stupid shit too.
The falling too fast theory is a new one, but I'd bet it falls short.
Is the "Pyroclastic flow" theory next? :)
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'The falling too fast theory is a new one'
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa
that shit was in loose change 2 dude. that's 2004/2005.
new to YOU maybe.
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lol. Any questions? lol :D
How many of these "engineers" were domestic engineers?
:)
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'The falling too fast theory is a new one'
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa
that shit was in loose change 2 dude. that's 2004/2005.
new to YOU maybe.
Yeah or i just forgot. :)
Sorry, didn't bother watching loose change, I had my fill of Blair Witch.
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hahahahahahaaaaa
LC3 was actually written using entirely MSM sources - everything in the film is documented.
LC2 does use a lot of imagination and supposition, sure.
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I believe it was do to Dr. Evil and number 2...austing powers was on vacation ::)
You can find idiots to believe anything, Like oz said so 1000 engineers believe this...how many dont? ::)
Ive yet to hear one credible ct about this, just plain idiocy spouted off by internet gurus ::)
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If I had the money and the inclination, I could find 1000 Chimpanzees to sign that Eyeball Chambers had molested them....
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well, a new security team run by bush's brother took over, 6 weeks before attacks. they were appointed by the new guy, who knowingly bought a building that he knew needed 1.5 to 2 bil worth of asbestos conversion in spring 2002.
So in 6 weeks the new security team wired the building with explosives without anyone seeing them of getting suspicious? That's alot of explosives, where did they get it all?
How many of these security guys have stepped forward with info about wiring the building? How many security died in the buildings?
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I fully support a new investigation..
just so these morons who want to attach erroneous accusations and absurd claims to an otherwise straightforward attack will the shut the fuck up.
But, of course, even after a second and more thorough investigation reveals that is it was that it was thought to be the first time the hardcore morons will still refuse to believe it. Typical.
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EXPLOSIVE NEWS
A lingering technical question about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks still haunts some, and it has political implications: How did 200,000 tons of steel disintegrate and drop in 11 seconds? A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/22/inside-the-beltway-70128635/?feat=home_columns
Anyone know?
The steel did not disintegrate, but the concrete was turned literally into powder...something that is impossible. The steel was shipped off to China, Korea etc and was melted down and used for whatever purpose. We do know that some of the steel was made in to a new ship (media broadcast that news). The fact that NO BUILDING HAS EVER FALLEN DOWN FROM FIRE OR PLANE COLLISION is what makes this whole matter questionable. A jet crashed into the Empire State Building, punched a whole through the building , exploded in a scenario just like the World Trade, yet the building is there today. Can someone explain why there was no collapse? I believe you already know that skyscrapers around the world have been on fire...some for more than 24 hours with a white hot inferno of a fire, yet the building stood and did not fall down afterward. Why did building 7 fall then when there was no white hot inferno burning inside? The fact that WTC debris was carted off and disposed of IMMEDIATELY after the collapse only make the matter all the more suspicious. There is a lot of debris carried off and buried in the state of New Jersey (or another nearby state) that is under military watch 24/7...now why is that necessary?...unless there is something to hide. We already know that engineers, architects, metallurgist, physicist, concrete specialist, etc etc all have analyzed the debris only to speak of the impossibility of events occurring as the MSM and government claimed. Those who worked in the WTC and spoke up about he events of the day seem to "magically" keep dying off under suspicious circumstances.
The events continue to get more suspicious when you see that the building fell neatly into its own footprint. It gets too incredible to believe when it was reported that the company CONTROLLED DEMOLITION was the ones who cleaned up the WTC site afterward!!!! Add in the fact that heavy equipment that is located NO WHERE in New York ew Jersey just happened to be sitting in New Jersey the night before right across the Hudson River is all too convenient. Sorta like Southcom sitting in Florida running a drill literally hours before Haitis earthquake, or the drill that was being conducted near teh Oklahoma City building the very day it was bombed. Hmmmmm?
By the way for those who question how the building could have been wired with thermite. Keep in mind only one third of the WTC was in use. Those two building were HUGE and for the most part UNOCCUPIED so it would have been easy to wire the many empty floors and then wire the occupied floors by way of the many construction projects, after work hours, security teams, unannounced blackouts, closures and security breaches the employees of the WTC spoke of. This destruction was planned years ahead..as all government things are...and stealthfully carried out.
I am glad people, engineers, architects etc are calling for investigation...at some point the government will have to admit what it did. It is already documented that the desire to tear down the WTC was being investigated by the WTC owners because of it being a white elephant of sorts, but because of the 5 BILLION dollar cost it required to do so, anther way was being looked into accomplishing that. What better than to fake a terrorist scenario (blame the Arabs) and do it with controlled demolition, which would then justify the war and stealing of oil from Iraq and Afghanistan.... Win Win situation...
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yeah....a jetliner crashed, dumbass.
Hey Stupid...for someone so NEW to the board you have quite the attitude. Can you explain why building 7 collapsed in the same manner when NO PLANE HIT IT????
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How many people and how much time would it take to wire a building like the WTC with enough explosives to bring it down?
What point is there in these questions? Neither of which points a finger at who did this. Surely you have seen controlled demolitions carried out on the Discovery/Learning channels. It does not require that many people...it only requires explosives at key locations in any structure.
And how would those people go about wiring the explosives so that no one from the public would see them before they went off?
The building is not a public building...meaning people on the street can not just go into the WTC unless they work there. The fact that the building were essentially empty at the end of the work day (4 PM) makes it easy for a company(s) to come in and accomplish the task. Ever gave thought to how cleaning companies come into a building after hours and clean the entire building so that the next day employees return to a spic and span building/office? I am sure the perpetrators came accomplished their "job" and left in the same manner
all without being detected...especially with Marvin Bush at the helm.
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The steel did not disintegrate, but the concrete was turned literally into powder...something that is impossible. The steel was shipped off to China, Korea etc and was melted down and used for whatever purpose. We do know that some of the steel was made in to a new ship (media broadcast that news). The fact that NO BUILDING HAS EVER FALLEN DOWN FROM FIRE OR PLANE COLLISION is what makes this whole matter questionable. A jet crashed into the Empire State Building, punched a whole through the building , exploded in a scenario just like the World Trade, yet the building is there today. Can someone explain why there was no collapse? I believe you already know that skyscrapers around the world have been on fire...some for more than 24 hours with a white hot inferno of a fire, yet the building stood and did not fall down afterward. Why did building 7 fall then when there was no white hot inferno burning inside? The fact that WTC debris was carted off and disposed of IMMEDIATELY after the collapse only make the matter all the more suspicious. There is a lot of debris carried off and buried in the state of New Jersey (or another nearby state) that is under military watch 24/7...now why is that necessary?...unless there is something to hide. We already know that engineers, architects, metallurgist, physicist, concrete specialist, etc etc all have analyzed the debris only to speak of the impossibility of events occurring as the MSM and government claimed. Those who worked in the WTC and spoke up about he events of the day seem to "magically" keep dying off under suspicious circumstances.
The events continue to get more suspicious when you see that the building fell neatly into its own footprint. It gets too incredible to believe when it was reported that the company CONTROLLED DEMOLITION was the ones who cleaned up the WTC site afterward!!!! Add in the fact that heavy equipment that is located NO WHERE in New York ew Jersey just happened to be sitting in New Jersey the night before right across the Hudson River is all too convenient. Sorta like Southcom sitting in Florida running a drill literally hours before Haitis earthquake, or the drill that was being conducted near teh Oklahoma City building the very day it was bombed. Hmmmmm?
By the way for those who question how the building could have been wired with thermite. Keep in mind only one third of the WTC was in use. Those two building were HUGE and for the most part UNOCCUPIED so it would have been easy to wire the many empty floors and then wire the occupied floors by way of the many construction projects, after work hours, security teams, unannounced blackouts, closures and security breaches the employees of the WTC spoke of. This destruction was planned years ahead..as all government things are...and stealthfully carried out.
I am glad people, engineers, architects etc are calling for investigation...at some point the government will have to admit what it did. It is already documented that the desire to tear down the WTC was being investigated by the WTC owners because of it being a white elephant of sorts, but because of the 5 BILLION dollar cost it required to do so, anther way was being looked into accomplishing that. What better than to fake a terrorist scenario (blame the Arabs) and do it with controlled demolition, which would then justify the war and stealing of oil from Iraq and Afghanistan.... Win Win situation...
OK, Stickdick123...........i f I was part of some huge conspiracy to wire and blow up WTC and my fellow cohorts were dying off "mysteriously", I would step forward and blow the whole thing wide open with whatever knowledge I had.
Why has nobody involved in wiring/placing explosives stepped forward? How is it all these security, construction workers everyone keeps talking about are so quiet? I haven't heard of one single person stepping forward and claiming they know details because they were involved. Every one of you keep making assumptions about how it could be done, but those assumptions are full of more holes than the governments "official" version of what happened. ::)
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My guess, even if every third floor was wired, SOMEONE had to wire it.
How many would it take to wire it and where are all those people now?
Those people all worked for Controlled Demolition and are still employed there.
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doesn't matter. the ppl who talk the most about how silly it is, cannot list the top 10 questions that the 'truthers' have.
333386 didn't know about willie brown warning... i mean, really? ???
It's basically a bunch of 1st graders teasing a 3rd grader who says there is no santa claus. gotta let them keep talking. ozmo read a book and debated the stuf years ago... still didn't know about the vacuum/falling faster than freefall?
The fact is, the thousands of engineers willing to be scorned and labeled as nuts know a shitload more about the physics of that day than any of us.
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Those people all worked for Controlled Demolition and are still employed there.
Link? Proof?
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OK, Stickdick123...........i f I was part of some huge conspiracy to wire and blow up WTC and my fellow cohorts were dying off "mysteriously", I would step forward and blow the whole thing wide open with whatever knowledge I had.
Why has nobody involved in wiring/placing explosives stepped forward? How is it all these security, construction workers everyone keeps talking about are so quiet? I haven't heard of one single person stepping forward and claiming they know details because they were involved. Every one of you keep making assumptions about how it could be done, but those assumptions are full of more holes than the governments "official" version of what happened. ::)
You're NAIVE as fuck.... why have the New York City firemen/police men involved in 911 who were so vocal on the events of the day: the explosions they heard in the buildings, the bombs they saw etc etc all developed LOCK JAW afterward?? You know why? your FBI, CIA, NSA and all the other alphabet agencies paid them a visit. It was not the kinda visit where "hellos" are exchanged. I am talking threats to ones life if they talk. Watch the video LOOSE CHANGE...how come all of those fire fighters who were so vocal in the documentary on what happened that day, will not say a word today on what happened, what they saw, what they heard or whether they were being told to say nothing.
Like I said..you asshole know nothing about your country, its policies, its corruption, its vileness or its secrecy...
And no your PUNK ASS would not say anything, because you VALUE YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF YOUR FAMILY, RELATIVES etc.....
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doesn't matter. the ppl who talk the most about how silly it is, cannot list the top 10 questions that the 'truthers' have.
333386 didn't know about willie brown warning... i mean, really? ???
It's basically a bunch of 1st graders teasing a 3rd grader who says there is no santa claus. gotta let them keep talking. ozmo read a book and debated the stuf years ago... still didn't know about the vacuum/falling faster than freefall?
The fact is, the thousands of engineers willing to be scorned and labeled as nuts know a shitload more about the physics of that day than any of us.
You're absolutely right...
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The steel did not disintegrate, but the concrete was turned literally into powder...something that is impossible. The steel was shipped off to China, Korea etc and was melted down and used for whatever purpose. We do know that some of the steel was made in to a new ship (media broadcast that news). The fact that NO BUILDING HAS EVER FALLEN DOWN FROM FIRE OR PLANE COLLISION is what makes this whole matter questionable.
So because no building has ever fallen from a fire or a plane collision it makes what happen false? Typical CT'er logic. How many buildings have been slammed into buy a airliner full of fuel in the past?
A jet crashed into the Empire State Building, punched a whole through the building , exploded in a scenario just like the World Trade, yet the building is there today. Can someone explain why there was no collapse?
When did a JET crash into the Empire state building? Samson, do you know the difference between a B-17 and a modern day airliner? Do yo the difference in size, speed, and fuel?
I believe you already know that skyscrapers around the world have been on fire...some for more than 24 hours with a white hot inferno of a fire, yet the building stood and did not fall down afterward.
How hot exactly? Do you know how hot these fires were burning? Were they burning as hot as JET FUEL Burns?
Why did building 7 fall then when there was no white hot inferno burning inside?
It was severely damaged from debris and eventually collapsed.
The fact that WTC debris was carted off and disposed of IMMEDIATELY after the collapse only make the matter all the more suspicious.
True, wouldn't they have just left it laying around for everyone to inspect if there wasn't something they were hiding?
There is a lot of debris carried off and buried in the state of New Jersey (or another nearby state) that is under military watch 24/7...now why is that necessary?...unless there is something to hide.
Is this just as factual as your JET into the Empire state building claim?
We already know that engineers, architects, metallurgist, physicist, concrete specialist, etc etc all have analyzed the debris only to speak of the impossibility of events occurring as the MSM and government claimed. Those who worked in the WTC and spoke up about he events of the day seem to "magically" keep dying off under suspicious circumstances.
Sounds like the makings of a good movie. Is Jesse Ventura and the makers of Loose Change next?
The events continue to get more suspicious when you see that the building fell neatly into its own footprint.
Didn't look very neat to me, or to the clean up crews. Do you expect it to fall like a tower made of wooden blocks in your parents living room?
It gets too incredible to believe when it was reported that the company CONTROLLED DEMOLITION was the ones who cleaned up the WTC site afterward!!!! Add in the fact that heavy equipment that is located NO WHERE in New York ew Jersey just happened to be sitting in New Jersey the night before right across the Hudson River is all too convenient. Sorta like Southcom sitting in Florida running a drill literally hours before Haitis earthquake, or the drill that was being conducted near teh Oklahoma City building the very day it was bombed. Hmmmmm?
You mean like cranes and large dump trucks? Yeah, cranes in NYC, NO WAY!
By the way for those who question how the building could have been wired with thermite. Keep in mind only one third of the WTC was in use. Those two building were HUGE and for the most part UNOCCUPIED so it would have been easy to wire the many empty floors and then wire the occupied floors by way of the many construction projects, after work hours, security teams, unannounced blackouts, closures and security breaches the employees of the WTC spoke of. This destruction was planned years ahead..as all government things are...and stealthfully carried out.
So the 2 WTC's 200 floors or offices of them 130 not in use? Right. Another JET into the Empire state building claim.
I am glad people, engineers, architects etc are calling for investigation...at some point the government will have to admit what it did. It is already documented that the desire to tear down the WTC was being investigated by the WTC owners because of it being a white elephant of sorts, but because of the 5 BILLION dollar cost it required to do so, anther way was being looked into accomplishing that. What better than to fake a terrorist scenario (blame the Arabs) and do it with controlled demolition, which would then justify the war and stealing of oil from Iraq and Afghanistan.... Win Win situation...
This is probably one of the first times I've taken the time to read one of your cut and paste responses. It was what i thought it was gonna be. It was filled with poor logic, over zealous conjecture and fallacy. You should probably try and stick to more tested sites to find you responses or at least read what you cut and paste first.
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Hey Stupid...for someone so NEW to the board you have quite the attitude. Can you explain why building 7 collapsed in the same manner when NO PLANE HIT IT????
LOL....meltdown much? Newsflash, people that spend less than 20 hours a week on this board DO have opinions and some of us our well educated. Ask those experts what happened the last time two large aircraft crashed into a large metropolitan cluster of buildings.......(wait for it)...Oh yeah, it had never happened before.
You conspiracy nuts amuse me. Glad u have a hobby.
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You're NAIVE as fuck.... why have the New York City firemen/police men involved in 911 who were so vocal on the events of the day: the explosions they heard in the buildings, the bombs they saw etc etc all developed LOCK JAW afterward?? You know why? your FBI, CIA, NSA and all the other alphabet agencies paid them a visit. It was not the kinda visit where "hellos" are exchanged. I am talking threats to ones life if they talk. Watch the video LOOSE CHANGE...how come all of those fire fighters who were so vocal in the documentary on what happened that day, will not say a word today on what happened, what they saw, what they heard or whether they were being told to say nothing.
Like I said..you asshole know nothing about your country, its policies, its corruption, its vileness or its secrecy...
And no your PUNK ASS would not say anything, because you VALUE YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF YOUR FAMILY, RELATIVES etc.....
Prove any of what you claim as the truth is true.
And I always love how Americans don't know shit about their own country, but some shitstain in some third world, rat infested shithole knows everything about it. ;D
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Can any anti-truther/anti-ct'er explain how Satam al-Suqami (one of the hijackers) passport was found comepletely intact, outside wtc? The passport was inside the plain when it hit wtc.
I mean, if you believe the burning jetfuel brought down wtc you have to question why the passport was not incinerated in the building.
This is just one of many little head-scratchers that get over shadowed by the actual physics part of the event, which is what encompases the main debate between fair-weather debunkers and extreme truther types.
Its a good starting point. Im curious what everyone believes on this.
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Can any anti-truther/anti-ct'er explain how Satam al-Suqami (one of the hijackers) passport was found comepletely intact, outside wtc? The passport was inside the plain when it hit wtc.
I mean, if you believe the burning jetfuel brought down wtc you have to question why the passport was not incinerated in the building.
This is just one of many little head-scratchers that get over shadowed by the actual physics part of the event, which is what encompases the main debate between fair-weather debunkers and extreme truther types.
Its a good starting point. Im curious what everyone believes on this.
Shit blew everywhere when the planes hit, not everything incinerated into ashes immediately.
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Can any anti-truther/anti-ct'er explain how Satam al-Suqami (one of the hijackers) passport was found comepletely intact, outside wtc? The passport was inside the plain when it hit wtc.
I mean, if you believe the burning jetfuel brought down wtc you have to question why the passport was not incinerated in the building.
This is just one of many little head-scratchers that get over shadowed by the actual physics part of the event, which is what encompases the main debate between fair-weather debunkers and extreme truther types.
Its a good starting point. Im curious what everyone believes on this.
We believe you are gullible.
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Can any anti-truther/anti-ct'er explain how Satam al-Suqami (one of the hijackers) passport was found comepletely intact, outside wtc? The passport was inside the plain when it hit wtc.
I mean, if you believe the burning jetfuel brought down wtc you have to question why the passport was not incinerated in the building.
This is just one of many little head-scratchers that get over shadowed by the actual physics part of the event, which is what encompases the main debate between fair-weather debunkers and extreme truther types.
Its a good starting point. Im curious what everyone believes on this.
don't know, but this is what wiki says about it:
Al-Suqami's passport was found by a passerby, reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street,[7] before the towers collapsed.[8] (This was mistakenly reported by many news outlets to be Mohammed Atta's passport.) A columnist for the British newspaper The Guardian expressed incredulity about the authenticity of this report,[9] questioning whether a paper passport could survive the inferno unsinged when the plane's black boxes were never found. According to testimony before the 9/11 Commission by lead counsel Susan Ginsburg, his passport had been "manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda."[8] Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi were found at the crash site of United Airlines flight #93 as well as an airphone.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami)
Passports recovered
According to testimony by Susan Ginsberg, a staff member of the National Commission on Terrorist attacks upon the United States, in the January 26, 2004 Public Hearing:
"Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari."
"In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM)
Here's a site that talks all the passports found:
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound)
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After reading some recent posts in this thread I shall rephrase my previous statement. AHEM..
9/11 TRUTHERS ARE DUMBER THAN DIRT COVERED SHIT.
Thank you.
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"shit blew everywhere"
:D
Anyway, heres said passport
(http://www.911myths.com/images/8/88/Satam_Suqami_Passport_Cover.jpg)
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So because no building has ever fallen from a fire or a plane collision it makes what happen false?
It should certainly cause a flag to raise..especially given how the buildings were built, with an already included safety factor of having MULTIPLE PLANES CRASH INTO IT. You need to get your facts together before speaking.
Typical CT'er logic. How many buildings have been slammed into buy a airliner full of fuel in the past?
Typical idiots mindset in not knowing that engineers factor into every towering structure the possibility of a plane crashing into it as well as hurricane force winds blowing continuously against the structure. Those who design buildings are not idiots Ozmo...they take a lot into consideration.
When did a JET crash into the Empire state building? Samson, do you know the difference between a B-17 and a modern day airliner? Do yo the difference in size, speed, and fuel?
Using the logic of the MSM, government and cynics like yourself they claimed the Empire State building was an old building built to lesser standards than the World Trade...that being, a jet crashing into the Empire State building should have brought it down in that time, yet it is still standing...the hole and damage repaired, with no noticeable effects. Oh an can you tell me how fast the jet was going, how much and what kind of fuel was in the plane at the time and what kind of explosion occurred upon impact? Don't assume shit Ozmo
How hot exactly?
Given the fires were burning with black smoke (an indication of a suffocating fire) the temperatures were no higher than what can be achieved on a stove in your home.
Do you know how hot these fires were burning?
Not hot at all as there are pictures of a white woman standing in the opening created where the plane crashing into the world trade just moments after it happened. The fact that she is standing there tells that the fire was cool...else she would have never been able to stand there or even survive.
Were they burning as hot as JET FUEL Burns?
How hot does jet fuel burn Ozmo...and you do realize you have asked the same question three times
It was severely damaged from debris and eventually collapsed.
That is what the media and the government told you...but what really happened? I would believe the now stifled physicist, engineers, scientist, professors all of whom said the events of the day are IMPOSSIBLE.
True, wouldn't they have just left it laying around for everyone to inspect if there wasn't something they were hiding?
So you admit to suspicious activity and actions?
Is this just as factual as your JET into the Empire state building claim?
WTF are you taking about?
Sounds like the makings of a good movie. Is Jesse Ventura and the makers of Loose Change next?
You're going off not only the deep end, but the stupid end. What are you babbling about? The researchers are FAR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN YOU WILL EVER BE, so I am inclined to accept their research over some screaming MEME like yourself who is operating on emotion as opposed to facts.
Didn't look very neat to me, or to the clean up crews. Do you expect it to fall like a tower made of wooden blocks in your parents living room?
You just made Hugo's opinion of you correct.
I expect a building to NOT fall down at all as they are engineered to NOT do so. And in some rare instances where a building collapses or falls over (as in Japan under strong earthquakes) I expect to see big chunks of concrete, office furniture, bodies, etc etc....NOT PULVERIZED DUST!!! And yeah a building falling over like a child's stacked blocks would be more believable.
You mean like cranes and large dump trucks? Yeah, cranes in NYC, NO WAY!
YES dumbass as even the construction workers and New York officials announced that they do not have such equipment as was used in teh clean up process. This special equipment was claimed to have come from Harrisburg Pennsylvania...problem is the equipment was in Jersey City the night before the collapse and no one was able to tell why the equipment was there.
So the 2 WTC's 200 floors or offices of them 130 not in use? Right. Another JET into the Empire state building claim.
You can research the information Ozmo an find out it is all true. you can also watch the many investigative videos where this information is documented. Then again why do that when you can bitch scream on a site like this all day as you do.
This is probably one of the first times I've taken the time to read one of your cut and paste responses. It was what i thought it was gonna be. It was filled with poor logic, over zealous conjecture and fallacy. You should probably try and stick to more tested sites to find you responses or at least read what you cut and paste first.
Well you are a LIAR there many times over as you have read my posts for quite some time and commented.....Is there a replacement mod coming to fill your space?? Please say yes...
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LOL....meltdown much? Newsflash, people that spend less than 20 hours a week on this board DO have opinions and some of us our well educated. Ask those experts what happened the last time two large aircraft crashed into a large metropolitan cluster of buildings.......(wait for it)...Oh yeah, it had never happened before.
You conspiracy nuts amuse me. Glad u have a hobby.
Don't fool yourself with the believe of you being (eh hem) educated (haha)...let alone WELL EDUCATED. The dumbest people have no clue of how dumb they really are.
You still have not answered how a building falls when no plane hit it...
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It should certainly cause a flag to raise..especially given how the buildings were built, with an already included safety factor of having MULTIPLE PLANES CRASH INTO IT. You need to get your facts together before speaking.
Typical idiots mindset in not knowing that engineers factor into every towering structure the possibility of a plane crashing into it as well as hurricane force winds blowing continuously against the structure. Those who design buildings are not idiots Ozmo...they take a lot into consideration.
Using the logic of the MSM, government and cynics like yourself they claimed the Empire State building was an old building built to lesser standards than the World Trade...that being, a jet crashing into the Empire State building should have brought it down in that time, yet it is still standing...the hole and damage repaired, with no noticeable effects. Oh an can you tell me how fast the jet was going, how much and what kind of fuel was in the plane at the time and what kind of explosion occurred upon impact? Don't assume shit Ozmo
Given the fires were burning with black smoke (an indication of a suffocating fire) the temperatures were no higher than what can be achieved on a stove in your home.
Not hot at all as there are pictures of a white woman standing in the opening created where the plane crashing into the world trade just moments after it happened. The fact that she is standing there tells that the fire was cool...else she would have never been able to stand there or even survive.
How hot does jet fuel burn Ozmo...and you do realize you have asked the same question three times
That is what the media and the government told you...but what really happened? I would believe the now stifled physicist, engineers, scientist, professors all of whom said the events of the day are IMPOSSIBLE.
So you admit to suspicious activity and actions?
WTF are you taking about?
You're going off not only the deep end, but the stupid end. What are you babbling about? The researchers are FAR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN YOU WILL EVER BE, so I am inclined to accept their research over some screaming MEME like yourself who is operating on emotion as opposed to facts.
You just made Hugo's opinion of you correct.
I expect a building to NOT fall down at all as they are engineered to NOT do so. And in some rare instances where a building collapses or falls over (as in Japan under strong earthquakes) I expect to see big chunks of concrete, office furniture, bodies, etc etc....NOT PULVERIZED DUST!!! And yeah a building falling over like a child's stacked blocks would be more believable.
YES dumbass as even the construction workers and New York officials announced that they do not have such equipment as was used in teh clean up process. This special equipment was claimed to have come from Harrisburg Pennsylvania...problem is the equipment was in Jersey City the night before the collapse and no one was able to tell why the equipment was there.
You can research the information Ozmo an find out it is all true. you can also watch the many investigative videos where this information is documented. Then again why do that when you can bitch scream on a site like this all day as you do.
Well you are a LIAR there many times over as you have read my posts for quite some time and commented.....Is there a replacement mod coming to fill your space?? Please say yes...
Jesus fucking christ..
Every time you post on here you embarrass morons everywhere. You can't even cut and paste a simple post, what makes you think you know dick about world affairs?
Please kill yourself. Even slacker isn't this annoying.
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Can any anti-truther/anti-ct'er explain how Satam al-Suqami (one of the hijackers) passport was found comepletely intact, outside wtc? The passport was inside the plain when it hit wtc.
I mean, if you believe the burning jetfuel brought down wtc you have to question why the passport was not incinerated in the building.
This is just one of many little head-scratchers that get over shadowed by the actual physics part of the event, which is what encompases the main debate between fair-weather debunkers and extreme truther types.
Its a good starting point. Im curious what everyone believes on this.
Better than that please explain how 9 of the nineteen supposed hijackers are STILL ALIVE!!!!!
These assholes that dismiss all of this evidence/facts/oddities makes me shake my head in disbelief...people just can not be this stupid.
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don't know, but this is what wiki says about it:
Al-Suqami's passport was found by a passerby, reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street,[7] before the towers collapsed.[8] (This was mistakenly reported by many news outlets to be Mohammed Atta's passport.) A columnist for the British newspaper The Guardian expressed incredulity about the authenticity of this report,[9] questioning whether a paper passport could survive the inferno unsinged when the plane's black boxes were never found. According to testimony before the 9/11 Commission by lead counsel Susan Ginsburg, his passport had been "manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda."[8] Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi were found at the crash site of United Airlines flight #93 as well as an airphone.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami)
Passports recovered
According to testimony by Susan Ginsberg, a staff member of the National Commission on Terrorist attacks upon the United States, in the January 26, 2004 Public Hearing:
"Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari."
"In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM)
Here's a site that talks all the passports found:
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound)
And you question what i say????????
A passerby happens to look over and sees a passport amongst the tons and tons and tons of debris on the ground...lets not even take into consideration the panicked people running everywhere? the chaos in teh area? or the fact that no one would have known one piece of paper from another since it was all covered with endless amounts of grey ash. Someone just HAPPENS to notice a passport that magically survived a plane crash, survived the inferno, survived falling from the building and happens to land at the foot of a dead beat cop (this was the first story reported) who equated it with terrorist and not a person whomay have been amongst the thousands running for their lives during the collapse....hahahaahaha. ..you laughable Ozmo.
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After reading some recent posts in this thread I shall rephrase my previous statement. AHEM..
9/11 TRUTHERS ARE DUMBER THAN DIRT COVERED SHIT.
Thank you.
This coming from someone living in the heart of the Baltimore ghetto
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Shit blew everywhere when the planes hit, not everything incinerated into ashes immediately.
Like your brains when you mother dropped you on your head as a baby......
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I feel so dirty when you and I are in partial agreement on something. :-\
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And how many architects and engineers are there in the world?
Do they all agree on everything?
If there are 3 million architects and engineers in the world (and you know there's much more than that) and 1000 of them question it then what percentage does that "1000" represent?
I'll give you a hint:
it's less than .4%
So frankly the "1000" of them doesn't mean much. I'd bet you'd find the same or similar percentage in that of architects and engineers that believe in other stupid shit too.
The falling too fast theory is a new one, but I'd bet it falls short.
Is the "Pyroclastic flow" theory next? :)
Ozmo I know you know better?
What a dumb argument, Galileo was one man out of thousands of other astronomers claiming we weren't the center of the Universe. That didn't make his argument any less valid.
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Can any anti-truther/anti-ct'er explain how Satam al-Suqami (one of the hijackers) passport was found comepletely intact, outside wtc? The passport was inside the plain when it hit wtc.
I mean, if you believe the burning jetfuel brought down wtc you have to question why the passport was not incinerated in the building.
This is just one of many little head-scratchers that get over shadowed by the actual physics part of the event, which is what encompases the main debate between fair-weather debunkers and extreme truther types.
Its a good starting point. Im curious what everyone believes on this.
Exactly, some of this stuff is borderline hilarious. Mr. al-Suqami was completely incinerated, yet his paper passport survived the massive jet fuel explosion...
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It should certainly cause a flag to raise..especially given how the buildings were built, with an already included safety factor of having MULTIPLE PLANES CRASH INTO IT. You need to get your facts together before speaking.
You mean like the fact of a "jet crashing into the empire State building"? ::)
Additionally, the WTC's weren't built with a safety factor of crashing multiple planes into it. NOW YOU ARE JUST MAKING SHIT UP.
Typical idiots mindset in not knowing that engineers factor into every towering structure the possibility of a plane crashing into it as well as hurricane force winds blowing continuously against the structure. Those who design buildings are not idiots Ozmo...they take a lot into consideration.
HAHAHAHAAH more stuff you are making up.
Using the logic of the MSM, government and cynics like yourself they claimed the Empire State building was an old building built to lesser standards than the World Trade...that being, a jet crashing into the Empire State building should have brought it down in that time, yet it is still standing...the hole and damage repaired, with no noticeable effects. Oh an can you tell me how fast the jet was going, how much and what kind of fuel was in the plane at the time and what kind of explosion occurred upon impact? Don't assume shit Ozmo
Again, YOU STATED A JET CRASH INTO THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING. It didn't happen. Is this your attempt to spin your statement?
Given the fires were burning with black smoke (an indication of a suffocating fire) the temperatures were no higher than what can be achieved on a stove in your home.
ROTFLMAO..... Black smoke isn't an indication of a suffocating fire. HAHAHAHAH making more shit up!
Not hot at all as there are pictures of a white woman standing in the opening created where the plane crashing into the world trade just moments after it happened. The fact that she is standing there tells that the fire was cool...else she would have never been able to stand there or even survive.
YEah, was she right next to the fire? lol
How hot does jet fuel burn Ozmo...and you do realize you have asked the same question three times
You tell me. lol. In fact, just make a number up. That's what you do.
That is what the media and the government told you...but what really happened? I would believe the now stifled physicist, engineers, scientist, professors all of whom said the events of the day are IMPOSSIBLE.
So you admit to suspicious activity and actions?
No, less than .4% of the engineers in the world. the rest who live on earth don't.......lolo
WTF are you taking about?
You're going off not only the deep end, but the stupid end. What are you babbling about? The researchers are FAR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN YOU WILL EVER BE, so I am inclined to accept their research over some screaming MEME like yourself who is operating on emotion as opposed to facts.
Like the same research that caused you to come to the conclusion that a JET crashed into the Empire State building?
You just made Hugo's opinion of you correct.
I expect a building to NOT fall down at all as they are engineered to NOT do so. And in some rare instances where a building collapses or falls over (as in Japan under strong earthquakes) I expect to see big chunks of concrete, office furniture, bodies, etc etc....NOT PULVERIZED DUST!!! And yeah a building falling over like a child's stacked blocks would be more believable.
How many 100 story buildings have you seen collapse after airlliners crashed into them? BTW there were loads of large chunks of debris. Go back and look at the photos.
PS I don't care what you think or anyone else thinks for that matter. I'm only exposing your crap for what it is, Crap.
YES dumbass as even the construction workers and New York officials announced that they do not have such equipment as was used in teh clean up process. This special equipment was claimed to have come from Harrisburg Pennsylvania...problem is the equipment was in Jersey City the night before the collapse and no one was able to tell why the equipment was there.
You can research the information Ozmo an find out it is all true. you can also watch the many investigative videos where this information is documented. Then again why do that when you can bitch scream on a site like this all day as you do.
Considering you are batting ZERO and have made the stupidest claims EVER, i need to do nothing.
Well you are a LIAR there many times over as you have read my posts for quite some time and commented.....Is there a replacement mod coming to fill your space?? Please say yes...
Not really, Most of the time i just skimmed over them because they were probably going to be like these. And I was right.
No need to get all worked up Samson. :)
But really, of all the "debates" I've had with people on here about 9/11 and there have been hundreds, yours has been the most baseless and made up.
I expected more from you. You seem to be really up on stuff. But like i said, you should read your cut and pastes first. Or find a better site.
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This coming from someone living in the heart of the Baltimore ghetto
Samson123.....You are definitely a gimmick of a board regular. "Hi" whoever you are. :)
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How many of these "engineers" were domestic engineers?
:)
lol. What qualifications do you need to call yourself an "engineer"?
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If I had the money and the inclination, I could find 1000 Chimpanzees to sign that Eyeball Chambers had molested them....
Hahahaha! I like this guy. :D
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Ozmo I know you know better?
What a dumb argument, Galileo was one man out of thousands of other astronomers claiming we weren't the center of the Universe. That didn't make his argument any less valid.
With all due respect.
REad the books 1421 and 1434. Gallileo was battling the church NOT other astronomers.
Also, just because you can find instances were a small percentage of people were right, doesn't mean these people are. My point with quoting the .4% was to put the impact of "1000" in its proper perspective.
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Proof you are as dumb as everyone on Getbig says you are.
Exhibit A:
This coming from someone living in the heart of the Baltimore ghetto
For the 9 millionth time.. I live in the suburbs. I work in a city plagued by people like yourself.
Do everyone within 100 miles of you a favor and kill yourself. You are truly a worthless idiot.
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Better than that please explain how 9 of the nineteen supposed hijackers are STILL ALIVE!!!!!
Can you prove this?
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Can you prove this?
enter the alleged BBC report. lol
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enter the alleged BBC report. lol
No really, I want to know what the nine supposed surviving hijackers are up to these days.
SAMSON?
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With all due respect.
REad the books 1421 and 1434. Gallileo was battling the church NOT other astronomers.
Also, just because you can find instances were a small percentage of people were right, doesn't mean these people are. My point with quoting the .4% was to put the impact of "1000" in its proper perspective.
Trust me, I know exactly who Galileo was battling. The point is this: Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime, when a large majority of philosophers and astronomers still subscribed (at least outwardly) to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe.
That fact didn't make his argument any less valid.
I guess you haven't seen any of my posts about the Catholic Church.... :)
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With all due respect.
REad the books 1421 and 1434. Gallileo was battling the church NOT other astronomers.
Also, just because you can find instances were a small percentage of people were right, doesn't mean these people are. My point with quoting the .4% was to put the impact of "1000" in its proper perspective.
What are you talking about, there is no "proper perspective".
The majority being WRONG is mankind's history...
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Prove any of what you claim as the truth is true.
And I always love how Americans don't know shit about their own country, but some shitstain in some third world, rat infested shithole knows everything about it. ;D
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Can you prove this?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html
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Trust me, I know exactly who Galileo was battling. The point is this:
My point was, that fact didn't make his argument any less valid.
What are you talking about, there is no "proper perspective".
The majority being WRONG is mankind's history...
That's not what i mean. It was stated as a supporting argument that a 1000 E's and A's want a new investigation and the number was significant. The retort on my end was to that number in its proper perspective as being .4% or likely much less. You have to remember, all this info has been out there for 10 year and 99.7% of these people don't see a problem with it.
This is not like a new discovery, for example atomic power. This is all based on existing knowledge and expertise.
PS I'm not trying to come off with attitude about this Eye, That's why i said with all due respect. I welcome your discussion/opinion.
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That's not what i mean. It was stated as a supporting argument that a 1000 E's and A's want a new investigation and the number was significant. The retort on my end was to that number in its proper perspective as being .4% or likely much less. You have to remember, all this info has been out there for 10 year and 99.7% of these people don't see a problem with it.
This is not like a new discovery, for example atomic power. This is all based on existing knowledge and expertise.
PS I'm not trying to come off with attitude about this Eye, That's why i said with all due respect. I welcome your discussion/opinion.
This is why we need web cams Ozmo (no homo). If my posts come off in a hostile manor please forgive me, I'm smiling. 8)
I understand what you're saying now, but when one thousand engineers are concerned about something as significant as 9/11 I'm concerned. :o
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This is why we need web cams Ozmo (no homo). If my posts come off in a hostile manor please forgive me, I'm smiling. 8)
I understand what you're saying now, but when one thousand engineers are concerned about something as significant as 9/11 I'm concerned. :o
Right on, Cool.
Im not saying we shouldn't question 9/11 and I support a second investigation. All I'm saying is based on the evidence and explanation from experts, and pretty much 99% of experts that there's nothing that points to a CT and until something tangabile surfaces i can't see it reasonably, outside its official explanation.
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Right on, Cool.
Im not saying we shouldn't question 9/11 and I support a second investigation. All I'm saying is based on the evidence and explanation from experts, and pretty much 99% of experts that there's nothing that points to a CT and until something tangabile surfaces i can't see it reasonably, outside its official explanation.
We shouldn't discuss it, maybe in the future when more information is available.
Forget conspiracy theories, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that you guys can believe one hundred plus floors could possibly "pancake" (official explanation, which means the floor at fire level failed, dropped onto the floor below it causing it to fail which inturn dropped on the floor below it and so on) on each other from top to the bottom (1350 feet, avg 12 feet per floor) in 10 seconds.
Officially that's the cause of failure. The speed in which the building went from upright to completely collapsed though suggests it faced no resistance at all as if turned to dust. So which is it? Officially it "pancaked" (BOOM!!!, BOOM!!!, BOOM!!, BOOM!! *Floor Hitting Floor* 110 times) in 10 seconds?
That's just one of the thousand incidents from 09/11/2001 that we don't understand nine years later.
Isn't it important that we understand what happened that day? Maybe they're hiding a piece of the puzzle for good reason? Maybe it's for national security? Maybe that's why we're only allowed to see three frames from one out of the hundreds of security cameras around the Pentagon that captured the impact or explosion?
???
Wow... :o
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How many people and how much time would it take to wire a building like the WTC with enough explosives to bring it down?
there was a .mht file from a page that investigated these questions and discussed this very succinctly
Unfortunately, the site was tampered with... by whom, I cannot say.
But it showcased the many witnesses who worked in the building who spoke of extensive unusual activity going.
such as: occupanys on a floor that was supposed to be unoccupied, and OFF LIMITs to all. the elevators didn't even stop on this floor, but those underneath would hear people and thing being moved. changes in regular security routines, including the highly unusual step of removing bom sniffing dogs. bush's cousin being put in charge of security just prior to the event etc., etc.,
What I found most troubling however was that the regular security personnel were replaced temporarily, some informed not to come to work in the days prior, coupled with the removal of the dogs. Every since the 1st attack, those dogs were an integral part of the building security, yet for some reason, authorities deemed it necessary to remove the dogs for a brief period and to give the canine's hunam partners a few days off. :-\
And how would those people go about wiring the explosives so that no one from the public would see them before they went off?
That's a very good question I'd like answered vis-a-vis building 7.
When did they have time to wire that building? the owner admitted it was demo'd,
...when was it wired? ...at noon on Sept 11th... while everyone was rushing around covered in cement dust, or while the firemen was trying to put out the fires?
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Can any anti-truther/anti-ct'er explain how Satam al-Suqami (one of the hijackers) passport was found comepletely intact, outside wtc? The passport was inside the plain when it hit wtc.
I mean, if you believe the burning jetfuel brought down wtc you have to question why the passport was not incinerated in the building.
This is just one of many little head-scratchers that get over shadowed by the actual physics part of the event, which is what encompases the main debate between fair-weather debunkers and extreme truther types.
Its a good starting point. Im curious what everyone believes on this.
Another head-scratcher that I have was the head of the FEMA team being interviewed and clearly saying they got their dispatch orders to go to NYC Monday night around 8:30pm. Sept 11, 2001 fell on a Tuesday. That little piece of footage by ABC if I remember correctly was buried so deep, I doubt it will ever see the light of day again. Some people have it, but many copies started disappearing shortly thereafter. i can understand a FEMA team being dispatch to a city like New Orleans, or orlando etc., when they know in advance that a hurricane will be coming in, but how & why could a team be dispatched in advanced for something like 911? Really makes you go hmmmm? ???
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Don't fool yourself with the believe of you being (eh hem) educated (haha)...let alone WELL EDUCATED. The dumbest people have no clue of how dumb they really are.
You still have not answered how a building falls when no plane hit it...
Samson, didn't your mommy never read you the story of the 3 lit-tle pigs? :o
It was the big bad wolfofwitz. >:( He huffed, and he puffed, ...and he blew the building down. ;D
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The steel did not disintegrate, but the concrete was turned literally into powder...something that is impossible.
SAMSON are you saying that concrete cannot be turned into powder or that if it was, that the steel would have also?
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there was a .mht file from a page that investigated these questions and discussed this very succinctly
Unfortunately, the site was tampered with... by whom, I cannot say.
But it showcased the many witnesses who worked in the building who spoke of extensive unusual activity going.
such as: occupanys on a floor that was supposed to be unoccupied, and OFF LIMITs to all. the elevators didn't even stop on this floor, but those underneath would hear people and thing being moved. changes in regular security routines, including the highly unusual step of removing bom sniffing dogs. bush's cousin being put in charge of security just prior to the event etc., etc.,
What I found most troubling however was that the regular security personnel were replaced temporarily, some informed not to come to work in the days prior, coupled with the removal of the dogs. Every since the 1st attack, those dogs were an integral part of the building security, yet for some reason, authorities deemed it necessary to remove the dogs for a brief period and to give the canine's hunam partners a few days off. :-\
That's a very good question I'd like answered vis-a-vis building 7.
When did they have time to wire that building? the owner admitted it was demo'd,
...when was it wired? ...at noon on Sept 11th... while everyone was rushing around covered in cement dust, or while the firemen was trying to put out the fires?
I remember the information about people telling of security beig replaced, floors that were unoccupied that suddenly were being worked on. I have a book called THE BIG LIE written by Thierry Meysson that captured all of this info a few months after 911. The attempted HIDING of information about what happened in those buildings before and after the demolition of them is incredible. The extents to which the american government is going to keep the blame of fake Arab terrorist is unbelievable.
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Samson, didn't your mommy never read you the story of the 3 lit-tle pigs? :o
It was the big bad wolfofwitz. >:( He huffed, and he puffed, ...and he blew the building down. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ohhhhhhhhh...So that's what happened?
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We shouldn't discuss it, maybe in the future when more information is available.
What do you mean? Why shouldn't it be discussed?
Forget conspiracy theories, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that you guys can believe one hundred plus floors could possibly "pancake" (official explanation, which means the floor at fire level failed, dropped onto the floor below it causing it to fail which inturn dropped on the floor below it and so on) on each other from top to the bottom (1350 feet, avg 12 feet per floor) in 10 seconds.
Officially that's the cause of failure. The speed in which the building went from upright to completely collapsed though suggests it faced no resistance at all as if turned to dust. So which is it? Officially it "pancaked" (BOOM!!!, BOOM!!!, BOOM!!, BOOM!! *Floor Hitting Floor* 110 times) in 10 seconds?
No, It doesn't surprise me at all. In fact in watching it, when I did as it happened, i was wondering when the buildings were going to fall. Thousands of experts have looked at this and have no problem with it. Additionally when you apply the "rest of the story" to it, its just far fetched.
That's just one of the thousand incidents from 09/11/2001 that we don't understand nine years later.
Isn't it important that we understand what happened that day? Maybe they're hiding a piece of the puzzle for good reason? Maybe it's for national security? Maybe that's why we're only allowed to see three frames from one out of the hundreds of security cameras around the Pentagon that captured the impact or explosion?
???
Wow... :o
I'll bet those "hundreds of security cameras" are BS.
Aside from that, just try and take look at the whole thing as a "inside job" from point of conception, planning, execution, and cover up, and you should come to the conclusion that an inside job is illogical, unfeasible, and doesn't make much sense.
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SAMSON are you saying that concrete cannot be turned into powder or that if it was, that the steel would have also?
I was correcting EYE who said the steel disintegrated. Steel did not disintegrate at the WTC, we all saw from the video that the steel was most what collapsed to the ground in one big heap. The concrete however was pulverized to a fine powder/dust, which is impossible. The concrete should have fallen to the ground in big chunks and pieces. Notice in this video at the 48 second mark that the upper section of tower two leans heavily forward as the building is collapsing. Given the angle of the lean and fall, that entire 30 to 40 floor section should have fallen AWAY from the building and onto the street below...BUT...it doesn't. That whole section is pulverized to dust before it even get to the ground. Why and how could that happen?
Watch this video...it is one of the best explanation of what happened to the WTC...It was NOT a collapse, but what you witnessed was a CONTROLLED DEMOLITION
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Proof you are as dumb as everyone on Getbig says you are.
Exhibit A:
For the 9 millionth time.. I live in the suburbs. I work in a city plagued by people like yourself.
Do everyone within 100 miles of you a favor and kill yourself. You are truly a worthless idiot.
Sure you do...sure you do..a shack in the woods is NOT the suburbs
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Sure you do...sure you do..a shack in the woods is NOT the suburbs
The average household income in my neighborhood is $114,000. Not super rich but certainly not a shack. How about yours? ;D
Once again you speak when you shouldn't, moron.
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The average household income in my neighborhood is $114,000. Not super rich but certainly not a shack. How about yours? ;D
Once again you speak when you shouldn't, moron.
According to the libs you are a multi millionaire.
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I was correcting EYE who said the steel disintegrated.
I was being sarcastic SAMSON, you should get off the 9/11 stuff. You really turn people off that may have otherwise done some research on the subject...
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Great, we've got someone who doesn't understand simple concepts like the laws of physics and who has never heard of Argon arguing the very subject with regards to 9/11.
Should definitely be taken seriously. ::)
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Great, we've got someone who doesn't understand simple concepts like the laws of physics and who has never heard of Argon arguing the very subject with regards to 9/11.
Should definitely be taken seriously. ::)
How about comparing the Planes into the WTC's with an event that never happened?
A jet crashed into the Empire State Building, punched a whole through the building , exploded in a scenario just like the World Trade, yet the building is there today. Can someone explain why there was no collapse?
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And then the following explanation:
Using the logic of the MSM, government and cynics like yourself they claimed the Empire State building was an old building built to lesser standards than the World Trade...that being, a jet crashing into the Empire State building should have brought it down in that time, yet it is still standing...the hole and damage repaired, with no noticeable effects. Oh an can you tell me how fast the jet was going, how much and what kind of fuel was in the plane at the time and what kind of explosion occurred upon impact? Don't assume shit Ozmo
Looney huh?
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And then the following explanation:
Looney huh?
I'd be shocked if anyone took anything "he" says seriously on here. Day in and day out he confirms that he's the dumbest person on this site. He needs to disappear again.
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I was being sarcastic SAMSON, you should get off the 9/11 stuff. You really turn people off that may have otherwise done some research on the subject...
Why you are trying to be smart ass EYE is beyond me. I was responding to someone else who asked me if the steel disintegrated with the response you commented to. So why did you respond?
So far as people who have done research...they too are dismissed as crazy, don't know what they are talking about or looney. That coming from an american public that cannot point to the United States on a map...do you fit into that group?
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Why you are trying to be smart ass EYE is beyond me. I was responding to someone else who asked me if the steel disintegrated with the response you commented to. So why did you respond?
So far as people who have done research...they too are dismissed as crazy, don't know what they are talking about or looney. That coming from an american public that cannot point to the United States on a map...do you fit into that group?
Comments like that, I rest my case...
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I don't dismiss EYE as crazy, nor does virtually anyone here. However, in your case......... :)
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I don't dismiss EYE as crazy, nor does virtually anyone here. However, in your case......... :)
Thank you, good to know considering some of the crazy shit I've let slip... ;D
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I don't dismiss EYE as crazy, nor does virtually anyone here. However, in your case......... :)
That coming from someone with your credibility means so much.....oy vey
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Comments like that, I rest my case...
You know the saying about the TRUTH...IT HURTS....
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That coming from someone with your credibility means so much.....oy vey
coming from someone who thinks a Jet punched a hole through the Empire State Building. :)
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coming from someone who thinks a Jet punched a hole through the Empire State Building. :)
Gee Ozmo look at that...Just like the world trade center only difference is a smaller plane and an older building... Even had the fire shoot down the elevator shaft and set off fires...Hmmmmm
(http://www.amazing-airplanes.com/images/Bombs_and_expolsions/Empire_State_Crash2.jpg)
(http://www.amazing-airplanes.com/images/Bombs_and_expolsions/Empire_State_Crash1.jpg)
The Plane That Crashed Into The Empire State
Empire State Crash The fall of the World Trade Center on 9.11.2001: a tragic and well-known event to all of us. And how can it not be? An aircraft crashing into an enormous skyscraper is no ordinary event, and it cannot be forgotten in a matter of few years, so how come most people who read about an aircraft which rammed into the world’s second-tallest building seem surprised? A rather peculiar fact in this story is that terror had nothing to do with it- the aircraft which hit the Empire State was American. This is how it all happened:
In a foggy Saturday morning on July 28, 1945, a single B-25D (“Mitchell”) bomber with three men onboard was on its way from Bedford to Newark airport to pick up the pilot’s commanding officer. The pilot, Lt. Colonel William Smith- a 27 year old combat veteran, decided to pass over the New York Municipal Airport in Queens (today called LaGuardia Airport) to ask for a weather report. The airport’s tower decided that flying in the dense fog was too dangerous, and asked William to land. However, William chose to go on, and received permission from the military to continue to Newark, so he kept on flying, with a warning from the tower, saying that it can't see the top of the Empire State Building.
Empire State Crash Over Manhattan, minutes away from destination, William decided to lower his altitude in order to regain visibility. By flight rules, his altitude should have been at least 610 meters (2000 foot), but he lowered the aircraft to less than half that height. He soon found himself flying between Manhattan’s tall skyscrapers, in a collision course towards the New York Central Building! At the last second, he made a turn to the west, followed by a turn to the south at the 42nd street - 5th Avenue intersection. The sight of the B-25 maneuvering between the skyscrapers was uncatchable, some people were actually high enough to see it flying below them, by their building. William was still half-blind because of the fog, and all of a sudden, the tallest building in the world (than it was the Empire State) appeared in front of him! He started pulling up, hoping to bank away, but it was too late, and his velocity was too big! In approximately 9:49, the B-25 plunged into the 78th and 79th floors of the skyscraper- about 295 m (975 ft) above ground level, shaking the building and creating a hole in the building 5.5 m (18 ft) wide and 6.1 m (20 ft) high. The plane's high-octane fuel exploded, releasing a 30 m (100 ft) high fireball, hurtling flames down the side of the building and inside through hallways and stairwells all the way down to the 75th floor. One of the B-25's engines fell down an elevator shaft and set off a major fire in the basement. The other engine hurtled across the building and fell onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street. The debris crashed through the roof of a thirteen-story building across the street where another fire erupted. Other heavy wreckage, including the landing gear, also caused damage to the Empire State.
The toll of the disaster was 14 deaths, 26 people injured, 1 million dollar damage, and 3 months of repairs. If it wouldn’t have happened in Saturday, but in a regular business day, the disaster would have grown tenfold. Luckily, the B-25 did not carry any bombs, and it weighed only a little above 10 tons. In comparison, the twin towers were hit by 15 times heavier airplanes, carrying (up to 35 times) more fuel, releasing energy that’s 600 times bigger than the B-25’s crash, and penetrating deep inside before exploding.
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Gee Ozmo look at that...Just like the world trade center only difference is a smaller plane and an older building... Even had the fire shoot down the elevator shaft and set off fires...Hmmmmm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH the "only" difference is a smaller plane and an older building? ROTFLMAO You're killing me Sam! :)
Like i said earlier Sammy, you should read your cut and paste before you paste them!
From the article you posted:
the B-25 did not carry any bombs, and it weighed only a little above 10 tons. In comparison, the twin towers were hit by 15 times heavier airplanes, carrying (up to 35 times) more fuel, releasing energy that’s 600 times bigger than the B-25’s crash, and penetrating deep inside before exploding.
And another thing: A b-25 is not a jet!
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
:)
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Sammy, I really do respect your passion for these things. Seriously.
But stop it, you are embarrassing yourself, even to yourself.
PS, they weren't talking about speed either. The B-25 wasn't going 500MPh. Just ask Jimmy Dolittle.
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lol ;D
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Sorry about the big letters...... I did it for effect. Too bad it wouldn't let me make the letters 600 times bigger :)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH the "only" difference is a smaller plane and an older building? ROTFLMAO You're killing me Sam! :)
Like i said earlier Sammy, you should read your cut and paste before you paste them!
From the article you posted:
the B-25 did not carry any bombs, and it weighed only a little above 10 tons. In comparison, the twin towers were hit by 15 times heavier airplanes, carrying (up to 35 times) more fuel, releasing energy that’s 600 times bigger than the B-25’s crash, and penetrating deep inside before exploding.
And another thing: A b-25 is not a jet!
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
:)
But you claimed there was not a hole punched in to the Empire State Building Ozzy.... Just showing where you are DEAD WRONG.
Oh and BTW...remember the american LIE that it was not the plane that brought the WTC building down...is was supposedly the fires. Did you forget? So your theory of the weight of the plane or the speed doens't mean a thing...Quit while you believe you are ahead.
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Sorry about the big letters...... I did it for effect. Too bad it wouldn't let me make the letters 600 times bigger :)
No worries. It was funny. :) Some people use large font because they have a hard time getting their point across, and they don't get things right too often. You're not in that category.
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No worries. It was funny. :) Some people use large font because they have a hard time getting their point across, and they don't get things right too often. You're not in that category.
If that were the case I should be using 1000 font on this board.
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But you claimed there was not a hole punched in to the Empire State Building Ozzy.... Just showing where you are DEAD WRONG.
Oh and BTW...remember the american LIE that it was not the plane that brought the WTC building down...is was supposedly the fires. Did you forget? So your theory of the weight of the plane or the speed doens't mean a thing...Quit while you believe you are ahead.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what?
I didn't claim anything. SHOW ME! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I only said, it wasn't a JET. You claimed it was a JET.
Seriously, stop it. This is getting too funny.
Alright Sammy, Bud, I'm going to take a break for while. Have fun. :)
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If that were the case I should be using 1000 font on this board.
Noooo. You should use .0001 point font. :)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what?
I didn't claim anything. SHOW ME! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I only said, it wasn't a JET. You claimed it was a JET.
Seriously, stop it. This is getting too funny.
Alright Sammy, Bud, I'm going to take a break for while. Have fun. :)
What does that say right there?
quote author=OzmO coming from someone who thinks a Jet punched a hole through the Empire State Building. Smiley
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Noooo. You should use .0001 point font. :)
For you I will...small minds need small fonts
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For you I will...small minds need small fonts
Thanks SamsonJag. :)
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No worries. It was funny. :) Some people use large font because they have a hard time getting their point across, and they don't get things right too often. You're not in that category.
People may also use large fonts in an effort to assist you in following along. ;)
(Edit: enlarged font with beach bum in mind)
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People may also use large fonts in an effort to assist you in following along. ;)
(Edit: enlarged font with beach bum in mind)
Yes. I need all the help I can get. Especially when reading about looney conspiracy theories.
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Yes. I need all the help I can get. Especially when reading about looney conspiracy theories.
I can't be mean to you! I'm sorry....
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What does that say right there?
I was talking about you Silly.
A jet crashed into the Empire State Building, punched a whole through the building , exploded in a scenario just like the World Trade, yet the building is there today.
YOu said it punched a hole through the building.
You have no clue what you said huh? You just cut and paste...
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm laughing again. :)
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I can't be mean to you! I'm sorry....
That's right. Play nice little boy. :)
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I was talking about you Silly.
YOu said it punched a hole through the building.
You have no clue what you said huh? You just cut and paste...
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm laughing again. :)
I love watching people SQUIRM...lol
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I love watching people SQUIRM...lol
Who's squirming?
Everything you've said has been thrown right back in your face. Your only recourse has been to make shit up.
- YOU claimed a jet crashed into the empire state building
When I called you on it. You tried to compare old planes to old buildings
- You even pasted something about it without reading it.
Then i should you in BIG letter your mistake.
- Then you tried to make it look like i said it.
It goes on and on and on.
You're a real funny guy/gal Sammy.
You got some real short term memory issues. :)
You claimed a JET crashed into the Empire state building and that it was just like the Planes that crashed into the WTC's ONLY the plane was smaller and the building older BUT you failed to read that the impact was 600 times greater!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Fucking PRICELESS!
This would be a perfect spot to insert one of those emotion-cons that JAG loves to use. You know were i can find those? :)
You are a real riot Sammy. I like you. :)
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Who's squirming?
Everything you've said has been thrown right back in your face. Your only recourse has been to make shit up.
- YOU claimed a jet crashed into the empire state building
When I called you on it. You tried to compare old planes to old buildings
- You even pasted something about it without reading it.
Then i should you in BIG letter your mistake.
- Then you tried to make it look like i said it.
It goes on and on and on.
You're a real funny guy/gal Sammy.
You got some real short term memory issues. :)
You claimed a JET crashed into the Empire state building and that it was just like the Planes that crashed into the WTC's ONLY the plane was smaller and the building older BUT you failed to read that the impact was 600 times greater!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Fucking PRICELESS!
This would be a perfect spot to insert one of those emotion-cons that JAG loves to use. You know were i can find those? :)
You are a real riot Sammy. I like you. :)
You are and I love it...
Just a reminder again since it seems WAY OVER YOUR HEAD...The world trade was supposedly brought down by fire....It was not KNOCKED OVER BY PLANES AS YOUR POST IMPLIES (weight and speed not an issue).
Did you read my other post on the supposed hijackers who are still alive?...I don't recall you changing your view of 911 considering these guys somehow managed to hijack the planes, crash them into buildings and then magically jump out/escape to safety and then go and get jobs in their respective countries where they live today...Hmmmmmm???
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You are and I love it...
Just a reminder again since it seems WAY OVER YOUR HEAD...The world trade was supposedly brought down by fire....It was not KNOCKED OVER BY PLANES AS YOUR POST IMPLIES (weight and speed not an issue).
Did you read my other post on the supposed hijackers who are still alive?...I don't recall you changing your view of 911 considering these guys somehow managed to hijack the planes, crash them into buildings and then magically jump out/escape to safety and then go and get jobs in their respective countries where they live today...Hmmmmmm???
I'm not implying the weight and speed "knocked" the WTC's over! HAHAHAHAH
I'm only talking about it because it's relevant to your premise of the ONLY difference being smaller plane and older building.
I did skim over your Hijacker post being alive. I'm willing to discuss that tomorrow or something. I would say, however, that if the Taliban wanted the American government to disintegrate all they would have to do is show them alive and the first and foremost thing the American government would do is make sure the people they blamed 9/11 were dead. I'm sure any Arab network would love to be the ones to broadcast the live hijackers! Funny thing, after 9 years they haven't. :) that's why it holds no water even before investigation.
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On second thought I really like this thread..
Watching a dillusional and failing samson get pwned all over the board is too good to pass up. Good work, guys.
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I'm not implying the weight and speed "knocked" the WTC's over! HAHAHAHAH
I'm only talking about it because it's relevant to your premise of the ONLY difference being smaller plane and older building.
I did skim over your Hijacker post being alive. I'm willing to discuss that tomorrow or something. I would say, however, that if the Taliban wanted the American government to disintegrate all they would have to do is show them alive and the first and foremost thing the American government would do is make sure the people they blamed 9/11 were dead. I'm sure any Arab network would love to be the ones to broadcast the live hijackers! Funny thing, after 9 years they haven't. :) that's why it holds no water even before investigation.
Yes you are, because that is the crux of your whole argument. Did you not make the issue of the plane not being a JET? And even highlighted the article about the Empire State Building being hit emphasizing that it was a bigger plane traveling at a faster rate that hit teh WTC than the B25 that crashed in to the Empire State? Also note that the Empire State Building is MUCH SMALLER than the WTC so begin factoring all of these elements together. Older building, smaller building, smaller plane but still large explosion with similar hole punched in to building...yet it is still standing.
Now this next discussion is going to be a DOOZY...so everyone stay tuned. Why is it going to be a DOOZY? There is no TALIBAN or AL QUAIDA or OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!!!...these are all american government creations to keep you the public, confused, believing LIES and agreeing with a government, that is the TRUE TERRORIST ON THE PLANET,and going along with its goals to colonize and ravage resources of other nations.
I can't wait for tomorrow... I better get my popcorn popped tonight so I don't have to stop typing to eat tomorrow.
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I can't wait for tomorrow... I better get my popcorn popped tonight so I don't have to stop typing to eat tomorrow.
Don't forget the Kool-Aid, genius.. but by the looks of things maybe you should go easy on it for a while. ;D
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Yes you are, because that is the crux of your whole argument. Did you not make the issue of the plane not being a JET? And even highlighted the article about the Empire State Building being hit emphasizing that it was a bigger plane traveling at a faster rate that hit teh WTC than the B25 that crashed in to the Empire State? Also note that the Empire State Building is MUCH SMALLER than the WTC so begin factoring all of these elements together. Older building, smaller building, smaller plane but still large explosion with similar hole punched in to building...yet it is still standing.
Now this next discussion is going to be a DOOZY...so everyone stay tuned. Why is it going to be a DOOZY? There is no TALIBAN or AL QUAIDA or OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!!!...these are all american government creations to keep you the public, confused, believing LIES and agreeing with a government, that is the TRUE TERRORIST ON THE PLANET,and going along with its goals to colonize and ravage resources of other nations.
I can't wait for tomorrow... I better get my popcorn popped tonight so I don't have to stop typing to eat tomorrow.
wow so even if i state that's not my claim you still say i am and even if you state a jet crashed into the empire state building you are not?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
:)
And even if AQ and Tali didn't exist (which they do), IRan would love to prop those guys up, are you saying the Iranian government doesn't exist either? :)
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My brother-in-law was in the second tower. We waited all day to hear from him, wondering if he was okay. When we finally heard from him that he made it out before the collapse, the first thing he said was that he barely made it out before the bombs went off. We hadn't heard anything about bombs on the news, so we asked what he was talking about. He said that the firemen were yelling for everyone to get out before the bombs went off. He wanted to know if any other buildings had been rigged with explosives.
I'm sure it was chaotic and no one knew exactly what was going on, but the first thing he talked about that day was racing down the stairs because they were told the bombs were going to go off any minute.
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My brother-in-law was in the second tower. We waited all day to hear from him, wondering if he was okay. When we finally heard from him that he made it out before the collapse, the first thing he said was that he barely made it out before the bombs went off. We hadn't heard anything about bombs on the news, so we asked what he was talking about. He said that the firemen were yelling for everyone to get out before the bombs went off. He wanted to know if any other buildings had been rigged with explosives.
I'm sure it was chaotic and no one knew exactly what was going on, but the first thing he talked about that day was racing down the stairs because they were told the bombs were going to go off any minute.
There is a book called "The Survivors Club" I am reading right now and one of people profiled was in WTC when it happend and witnessed the plane coming right towards his office. He saw it from about a mile out. Is he in this CT?
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My brother-in-law was in the second tower. We waited all day to hear from him, wondering if he was okay. When we finally heard from him that he made it out before the collapse, the first thing he said was that he barely made it out before the bombs went off. We hadn't heard anything about bombs on the news, so we asked what he was talking about. He said that the firemen were yelling for everyone to get out before the bombs went off. He wanted to know if any other buildings had been rigged with explosives.
I'm sure it was chaotic and no one knew exactly what was going on, but the first thing he talked about that day was racing down the stairs because they were told the bombs were going to go off any minute.
Could not have happened accordign to OZMO...see he believes the goverment... so even though the people who managed to escape the WTC and reported of the bombs, some even heard the bombs going off, some where blown back onto other floors as the bombs went off, even the firemen spoke of bombs going off just aas they do in a controlled demolition...Ozmo says it didn't happen. His theory is the building fell because a plane knocked it over... and magically reduced it all to perfectly sectioned 30 beams and lots of pulverized concrete.
Listen to what these firemen said
More proof of bombs in the buildings
Bombs in basement of WTC.... BTW this guy was SUICIDED recently
How the hell did these guys know the building was about to collapse???
Fireman tells of explosions ans bombs going off in building
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Could not have happened accordign to OZMO...see he believes the goverment... so even though the people who managed to escape the WTC and reported of the bombs, some even heard the bombs going off, some where blown back onto other floors as the bombs went off, even the firemen spoke of bombs going off just aas they do in a controlled demolition...Ozmo says it didn't happen. His theory is the building fell because a plane knocked it over... and magically reduced it all to perfectly sectioned 30 beams and lots of pulverized concrete.
Listen to what these firemen said
More proof of bombs in the buildings
Bombs in basement of WTC.... BTW this guy was SUICIDED recently
How the hell did these guys know the building was about to collapse???
Fireman tells of explosions ans bombs going off in building
All opinions, can you post proven facts please?
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Could not have happened accordign to OZMO...see he believes the goverment... so even though the people who managed to escape the WTC and reported of the bombs, some even heard the bombs going off, some where blown back onto other floors as the bombs went off, even the firemen spoke of bombs going off just aas they do in a controlled demolition...Ozmo says it didn't happen. His theory is the building fell because a plane knocked it over... and magically reduced it all to perfectly sectioned 30 beams and lots of pulverized concrete.
The least you could do is get it right. You can't even show where i said that. But then again, you thought a JET hit the Empire state building and I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE YOU SAiD THAT.
This is evidence of how you don't deal in facts, but instead you deal made up fluff.
Oh, and they are only choice opinions. I thought the same thing the first time I looked at a video of the WTC's. Some people just never get past their first impressions. Good thing, you didn't read too many doctor sues books Samson I am.
Sorry, Sammy, but you are starting to BORE me. :)
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Can we start deleting Samson's posts? Why is he the only gimmick that's allowed to make fallacious claims and not have his posts deleted? I know Hugo deleted quite a large number of my posts that he deemed "false". Now we've got some shitty gimmick claiming that 747s are flying through the Empire State building and it's ruining this thread.
If Luke can not understand the difference between earth and one of the gas giants then there is little I can do to make him understand that what is possible on earth is IMPOSSIBLE on the gas giants. The sun is not merely some ball of gas burning in space. Hydrogen, Oxygen, Methane are highly explosive on earth in an oxygen rich environment but in space they are inert gases. To assume the criteria for a reaction on earth will work on another planet of different physical characteristics and properties is foolish....
LOL! Definite engineer on our hands here!
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Can we start deleting Samson's posts? Why is he the only gimmick that's allowed to make fallacious claims and not have his posts deleted? I know Hugo deleted quite a large number of my posts that he deemed "false". Now we've got some shitty gimmick claiming that planes are flying through the Empire State building and it's ruining this thread.
I was just having fun with Sammy exposing he/she for what they are: Not so bright, having to make shit up, in order to carry on a debate. It's pathetic really.
And now its starting to BORE me because all Sammy has left is to make up stuff now.
There's no need to delete her posts. I know what Sammy is, and so does everyone else.
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I was just having fun with Sammy exposing he/she for what they are: Not so bright, having to make shit up, in order to carry on a debate. It's pathetic really.
And now its starting to BORE me because all Sammy has left is to make up stuff now.
There's no need to delete her posts. I know what Sammy is, and so does everyone else.
I had dozens of posts deleted for "trolling" and as that saying goes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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I still wish I could find that video 240 posted years back regarding 9/11..made me change my mind. Sorry the govt knew more than they are telling us
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I was just having fun with Sammy exposing he/she for what they are: Not so bright, having to make shit up, in order to carry on a debate. It's pathetic really.
And now its starting to BORE me because all Sammy has left is to make up stuff now.
There's no need to delete her posts. I know what Sammy is, and so does everyone else.
I ACCEPT your DEFEAT speech.... you were easy.
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I ACCEPT your DEFEAT speech.... you were easy.
LOL yeah ok Sammy :)
When you can have a discussion outside your dream world, let me know.
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I ACCEPT your DEFEAT speech.... you were easy.
Again with the lies, stick to the facts, ma'am.
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I had dozens of posts deleted for "trolling" and as that saying goes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
You had dozens of posts deleted because they were IDIOTIC AND DISRESPECTFUL... Hugo should have deleted YOU instead.
Instead of trolling everyday all day, while adding nothing to the board but deadhead comments, try searching for worthwhile news that you think the members will find interesting and post it....
I think I have a better chance of winning the Irish Sweepstakes than you accomplishing that...so I take it you'll continue your juvenile crying to any moderator that will listen.
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try searching for worthwhile news that you think the members will find interesting and post it....
bashing America and Americans ?
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You had dozens of posts deleted because they were IDIOTIC AND DISRESPECTFUL... Hugo should have deleted YOU instead.
Instead of trolling everyday all day, while adding nothing to the board but deadhead comments, try searching for worthwhile news that you think the members will find interesting and post it....
I think I have a better chance of winning the Irish Sweepstakes than you accomplishing that...so I take it you'll continue your juvenile crying to any moderator that will listen.
What's worthwhile news? You copy/pasting some idiotic article about NASA trying to ignite Jupiter and Saturn into 2nd and 3rd suns? Lets not forget that you don't source anything because you'd hate for us to see what idiotic CT site you got it from. Would that work for you, dork?
What would you know about building physics when you don't even understand rudimentary concepts?
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this had potential to be a decent debate :'(
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this had potential to be a decent debate :'(
It did....
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this had potential to be a decent debate :'(
It can still be...just post your opinion on some issue, document, vid or something related to the WTC
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It can still be...just post your opinion on some issue, document, vid or something related to the WTC
From page one of the thread:
yeah....a jetliner crashed, dumbass.
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:)
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It can still be...just post your opinion on some issue, document, vid or something related to the WTC
Still waiting for you to back up any of your claims with facts and not someone elses opinion.
You do know the difference don't you?
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Still waiting for you to back up any of your claims with facts and not someone elses opinion.
You do know the difference don't you?
Ironically I am waiting to....for your IQ to rise about another hundred points at which I think you will be capable of handling the alphabets. Once mastered we can move on to dick and jane and eventually move up to you reading and writing full sentences. Until then I will continue to wait on you....
Until then anyone else wish to discuss/debate the events of 911?
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Ironically I am waiting to....for your IQ to rise about another hundred points at which I think you will be capable of handling the alphabets. Once mastered we can move on to dick and jane and eventually move up to you reading and writing full sentences. Until then I will continue to wait on you....
Until then anyone else wish to discuss/debate the events of 911?
Do you have a 160 IQ?
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Ironically I am waiting to....for your IQ to rise about another hundred points at which I think you will be capable of handling the alphabets. Once mastered we can move on to dick and jane and eventually move up to you reading and writing full sentences. Until then I will continue to wait on you....
Until then anyone else wish to discuss/debate the events of 911?
Yes, I will join in. Are you familiar with the Sesame Street song "One of these things is not like the others?"
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;D
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Ironically I am waiting to....for your IQ to rise about another hundred points at which I think you will be capable of handling the alphabets. Once mastered we can move on to dick and jane and eventually move up to you reading and writing full sentences. Until then I will continue to wait on you....
Until then anyone else wish to discuss/debate the events of 911?
So is that a "No" on backing up your claims with facts instead of opinions?