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I've followed bodybuilding for years, lifted on and off, but never really followed a diet.
Has anyone here ever done the 6-8 meals per day, chicken, oatmeal, brown rice etc....
I'm natural, will eating a lot of "Clean" "bodybuilding foods" really add lean muscle?
Or will I just end up fat and bloated......
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I tried it a lot of times. I honestly make better gains with the mcfarland way, hitting a little fast food each day for sanity. I look the same with some junk as I do with 5x tupperwared beef and potatoes, long as I'm lifting heavy
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Who the f would want to clean bulk? Dirty/clean? Same result no matter how you cut it, but dirty is cheaper and loads more fun.
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I've followed bodybuilding for years, lifted on and off, but never really followed a diet.
Has anyone here ever done the 6-8 meals per day, chicken, oatmeal, brown rice etc....
I'm natural, will eating a lot of "Clean" "bodybuilding foods" really add lean muscle?
Or will I just end up fat and bloated......
I know that I'm "fat and boated" according to all of the sub 7% ripped up beasts here....but I find that you really can't put on size naturally if you try to eat clean all the time.
Don't eat like a pig, but people are way too anal about diet.
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I definitely don't eat clean all the time. I want to stay sane. :D I mean, I get in the good meals throughout the day, but if I want to splurge, I definitely do. In all honesty, even when I incorporate junk food into my diet, I don't see much of a difference. Its not like I automatically gain 50 pounds of fat. Everything in moderation.
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I've followed bodybuilding for years, lifted on and off, but never really followed a diet.
Has anyone here ever done the 6-8 meals per day, chicken, oatmeal, brown rice etc....
I'm natural, will eating a lot of "Clean" "bodybuilding foods" really add lean muscle?
Or will I just end up fat and bloated......
the short answer is probably no
there are a few people around like levrone who used to grow into shows and stuff like that, but to tell the truth you have to be a black guy to do shit like that
there is another instance where you can clean bulk, wichis your first steroid cycle.....durign this time yo can eat pretty much anything and get biug and lean
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MY metabolism is still too great to be going too 'clean' on my diet ;D
I can smoke a J and say hello to thousands of calories lol.. Being 22 and 6'3 is wonderful.
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'Bulked' isn't really a word that anyone would apply to me, ever. But instead of 'clean' and 'dirty' how about 'health conscious' vs 'heart attack candidate.' High carb will do more for energy and strength ime than high grease. I use a lot of fat in my cooking but my hydrogenated fat consumption is minimal. Besides, my food is way better tasting than anything from a drive thru, so I do the tupperware thing but it's not contest diet food.
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Yes you can. To gain muscle, absolutely no need to get fat.
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eating fast food isn't necessarily unhealthy, lots of places offer grilled chicken wraps, salads etc.. you just have to know what to choose. best way by googling the nutrional facts.
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It worked for me last year, but I will confess that I used a little prohormone...well, a LOT, and although the growth was cool, it did fuck my system up pretty nicely for a few months.
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eating fast food isn't necessarily unhealthy, lots of places offer grilled chicken wraps, salads etc.. you just have to know what to choose. best way by googling the nutrional facts.
Fast food is just a bad habit. I don't trust their vegetables either. When you go to fast food you're satisfaction isn't exactly their concern. It's profit coupled with making sure all product is used, including nasty shit that's been sitting. Stuff dropped on the floor. Possible immature 18 year old kids spitting. The list goes on.
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Fast food is just a bad habit. I don't trust their vegetables either. When you go to fast food you're satisfaction isn't exactly their concern. It's profit coupled with making sure all product is used, including nasty shit that's been sitting. Stuff dropped on the floor. Possible immature 18 year old kids spitting. The list goes on.
you take the same chances going to any restaurant, but 99% of all fast food is pre-packaged/cooked so the sodium levels are insane.
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I've followed bodybuilding for years, lifted on and off, but never really followed a diet.
Has anyone here ever done the 6-8 meals per day, chicken, oatmeal, brown rice etc....
I'm natural, will eating a lot of "Clean" "bodybuilding foods" really add lean muscle?
Or will I just end up fat and bloated......
i made my best gains when i was going into my sophmore season... i went from 195-220 in a summer...i worked out and ate hella fried chicken and fries from louisana chicken (fried chicken place in LA ghetto's Koreans cook it) ...i got big as shit but stll had a 6 pack
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I made my best gains in strength and size on a "clean" bulk... man if only I was still doing it! ;D (have plenty of excuses ::) )
Its great because if you stop gaining you can add cals and switch up the macros as necessary... fucking brilliant... everybody must try because that was like the only time I ever gained muscle and strength... most people will have excuses as to why they can't follow a nutrition plan... but thats all they are excuses... I did it whilst working Full Time ::)
Its not because it needs to be fucking "clean" but its the only way to consistently eat within your knowledge of macros and your daily caloric intake... you are doing guesswork otherwise and won't gain shit or just end up fat...
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I definitely don't eat clean all the time. I want to stay sane. :D I mean, I get in the good meals throughout the day, but if I want to splurge, I definitely do. In all honesty, even when I incorporate junk food into my diet, I don't see much of a difference. Its not like I automatically gain 50 pounds of fat. Everything in moderation.
I do the same. I have never seen the point about being anal when dieting unless you are competing. I grow alot better when consuming small amounts of junk food anyway although my metabolism isn't fast as it was in my early 20s. I consumed junk and fast food everyday while on campus and still didn't get over 12% bf.
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i made my best gains when i was going into my sophmore season... i went from 195-220 in a summer...i worked out and ate hella fried chicken and fries from louisana chicken (fried chicken place in LA ghetto's Koreans cook it) ...i got big as shit but stll had a 6 pack
All Hypertension and Hyperlipidemia.
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All Hypertension and Hyperlipidemia.
lol...i had it for a bit...137/80...but im down to 123/60...
but no more fried chicken...
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Fuck clean bulking
every year I turn myself into a fat tub of shit and I enjoy it 8)
I think I am starting to have some kind of allergies to Mcdonald tho, cause everytime I eat there nowadays I don't feel so well afterward and i have humongous gastric reflux :-\
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Fuck clean bulking
every year I turn myself into a fat tub of shit and I enjoy it 8)
I think I am starting to have some kind of allergies to Mcdonald tho, cause everytime I eat there nowadays I don't feel so well afterward and i have humongous gastric reflux :-\
maybe too many hash browns and caffiene? ;)
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Fuck clean bulking
every year I turn myself into a fat tub of shit and I enjoy it 8)
I think I am starting to have some kind of allergies to Mcdonald tho, cause everytime I eat there nowadays I don't feel so well afterward and i have humongous gastric reflux :-\
You do the Lee Priest thing
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lol...i had it for a bit...137/80...but im down to 123/60...
but no more fried chicken...
137/80 isn't all that bad to begin with, a bit high but nothing life-threatening...you start getting into 180/110 territory you need to start worrying
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137/80 isn't all that bad to begin with, a bit high but nothing life-threatening...you start getting into 180/110 territory you need to start worrying
I know. But i had LOW BP my entire life because of a medical condition. It used to be 90-60...but i was running like 5 miles per day
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I've followed bodybuilding for years, lifted on and off, but never really followed a diet.
Has anyone here ever done the 6-8 meals per day, chicken, oatmeal, brown rice etc....
I'm natural, will eating a lot of "Clean" "bodybuilding foods" really add lean muscle?
Or will I just end up fat and bloated......
i am clean bulking right now.....not clean foods though. i am eating everything in sight.....but i have been running 5 miles on a empty stomach every other day......
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i am clean bulking right now.....not clean foods though. i am eating everything in sight.....but i have been running 5 miles on a empty stomach every other day......
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You arent gonna do a lot of bulking doing all that cardio. Whats that about 40-45 min?
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You arent gonna do a lot of bulking doing all that cardio. Whats that about 40-45 min?
i have never timed it......but i only work out on the days that i dont run...so...
mon=chest, shoulders,tri's
tues=run
wed=legs
thur=run
fri=back, and bi's
sat=run
...so far since i have started doing this i have made the best natural gains of my life...i usually eat every 1 hour, or drink a shake...
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i have never timed it......but i only work out on the days that i dont run...so...
mon=chest, shoulders,tri's
tues=run
wed=legs
thur=run
fri=back, and bi's
sat=run
...so far since i have started doing this i have made the best natural gains of my life...i usually eat every 1 hour, or drink a shake...
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3500 cals/ day?
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3500 cals/ day?
most likely more......i have very bad insomnia, and only sleep 2-3hours a night...
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most likely more......i have very bad insomnia, and only sleep 2-3hours a night...
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the cardio and lack of sleep is going to have you ravenous during the day
Experimental sleep deprivation in healthy humans affects levels of ghrelin and leptin, two primary hormones involved in energy balance that regulate appetite and body weight. No study to date has examined levels of these hormones in patients with chronic insomnia. In this study, men diagnosed with primary insomnia using DSM-IV criteria (n = 14) and age and body weight comparable healthy control men (n = 24) underwent polysomnography. Circulating levels of ghrelin and leptin were measured at 2300 h, 0200 h and 0600 h. As compared to controls, insomnia patients showed less total sleep time, stage 2 and REM sleep and decreased sleep efficiency and more stage 1 sleep than controls (p's < .05). Ghrelin levels across the night were significantly lower in insomnia patients (p < .0001). Leptin was not significantly different between the groups. In conclusion, decreased nocturnal ghrelin in insomnia is consistent with findings for nighttime levels in sleep deprivation studies in healthy sleepers. These findings suggest that insomnia patients have a dysregulation in energy balance that may play a role in explaining prospective weight gain in this population.
Motivala SJ, Tomiyama AJ, Ziegler M, Khandrika S, Irwin MR. Nocturnal levels of ghrelin and leptin and sleep in chronic insomnia. Psychoneuroendocrinology .2009 May;34(4):540-5. Epub 2008 Dec 6.
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most likely more......i have very bad insomnia, and only sleep 2-3hours a night...
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Not cool bro
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the cardio and lack of sleep is going to have you ravenous during the day
Motivala SJ, Tomiyama AJ, Ziegler M, Khandrika S, Irwin MR. Nocturnal levels of ghrelin and leptin and sleep in chronic insomnia. Psychoneuroendocrinology .2009 May;34(4):540-5. Epub 2008 Dec 6.
its cool....i have had the insomnia since i was around 8 years old...i am used to it by now...i am never tired during the day either....my body just requires much less sleep...
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its cool....i have had the insomnia since i was around 8 years old...i am used to it by now...i am never tired during the day either....my body just requires much less sleep...
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Woah. i used to stay up watching Sanford and son...and then sleep at baseball practice while strecthing....lol
But its cool that your body has adapted to minimal amounts of sleep...
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its cool....i have had the insomnia since i was around 8 years old...i am used to it by now...i am never tired during the day either....my body just requires much less sleep...
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Yes the study was in reference to CHRONIC insomnia... your appetite will be through the roof only sleeping 2-3hours a night...
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Yes the study was in reference to CHRONIC insomnia... your appetite will be through the roof only sleeping 2-3hours a night...
Yeah because when our "regular" Metabolism is taking a rest...He is up expending Energy....
But my question is "WHEN DO YOU RECOVER" if i dont sleep. I cant train. I feel very stale
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The thing is there is no such thing as a "clean" diet. The only thing that makes a bulk "dirty" is eating too much = fulking (fat bulking).
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Yeah because when our "regular" Metabolism is taking a rest...He is up expending Energy....
But my question is "WHEN DO YOU RECOVER" if i dont sleep. I cant train. I feel very stale
no it has more to do with ghrelin levels being raised did you not read the abstract I posted? ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghrelin
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Yeah because when our "regular" Metabolism is taking a rest...He is up expending Energy....
But my question is "WHEN DO YOU RECOVER" if i dont sleep. I cant train. I feel very stale
my main recovery strategy is to post on getbig...
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The thing is there is no such thing as a "clean" diet. The only thing that makes a bulk "dirty" is eating too much = fulking (fat bulking).
and how the fuck is somebody supposed to know when that point is..? without some sort of nutritional plan
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The thing is there is no such thing as a "clean" diet. The only thing that makes a bulk "dirty" is eating too much = fulking (fat bulking).
hmm....so are you saying there is no real reason to eat 5k cals a day
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hmm....so are you saying there is no real reason to eat 5k cals a day
if they burn 4.5k then 5k cals ED may serve a purpose to leave a caloric surplus for muscle gain
Participants in the sport of bodybuilding are judged by appearance rather than performance. In this respect, increased muscle size and definition are critical elements of success. The purpose of this review is to evaluate the literature and provide recommendations regarding macronutrient intake during both 'off-season' and 'pre-contest' phases. Body builders attempt to increase muscle mass during the off-season (no competitive events), which may be the great majority of the year. During the off-season, it is advantageous for the bodybuilder to be in positive energy balance so that extra energy is available for muscle anabolism. Additionally, during the off-season, adequate protein must be available to provide amino acids for protein synthesis. For 6-12 weeks prior to competition, body builders attempt to retain muscle mass and reduce body fat to very low levels. During the pre-contest phase, the bodybuilder should be in negative energy balance so that body fat can be oxidised. Furthermore, during the pre-contest phase, protein intake must be adequate to maintain muscle mass. There is evidence that a relatively high protein intake (approximately 30% of energy intake) will reduce lean mass loss relative to a lower protein intake (approximately 15% of energy intake) during energy restriction. The higher protein intake will also provide a relatively large thermic effect that may aid in reducing body fat. In both the off-season and pre-contest phases, adequate dietary carbohydrate should be ingested (55-60% of total energy intake) so that training intensity can be maintained. Excess dietary saturated fat can exacerbate coronary artery disease; however, low-fat diets result in a reduction in circulating testosterone. Thus, we suggest dietary fats comprise 15-20% of the body builders' off-season and pre-contest diets. Consumption of protein/amino acids and carbohydrate immediately before and after training sessions may augment protein synthesis, muscle glycogen resynthesis and reduce protein degradation. The optimal rate of carbohydrate ingested immediately after a training session should be 1.2 g/kg/hour at 30-minute intervals for 4 hours and the carbohydrate should be of high glycaemic index. In summary, the composition of diets for body builders should be 55-60% carbohydrate, 25-30% protein and 15-20% of fat, for both the off-season and pre-contest phases. During the off-season the diet should be slightly hyperenergetic (approximately 15% increase in energy intake) and during the pre-contest phase the diet should be hypoenergetic (approximately 15% decrease in energy intake).
Lambert CP, Frank LL, Evans WJ. (2004). Macronutrient considerations for the sport of bodybuilding. Sports Med. 34(5):317-27.
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hmm....so are you saying there is no real reason to eat 5k cals a day
but what if all the food i eat goes straight to my cock?......i would eat like...12,000 calories a day!!!!!!
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but what if all the food i eat goes straight to my cock?......i would eat like...12,000 calories a day!!!!!!
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LOL...COCK OBESE
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and how the fuck is somebody supposed to know when that point is..? without some sort of nutritional plan
Very easy: if you get too fat, reduce calories. Muscles can be gained in a surplus just as well as in maintenance or even a slight deficit.
hmm....so are you saying there is no real reason to eat 5k cals a day
Depends on the person of course. For most people, it just means getting fat.
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Very easy: if you get too fat, reduce calories. Muscles can be gained in a surplus just as well as in maintenance or even a slight deficit.
Depends on the person of course. For most people, it just means getting fat.
please cite reference
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uh ohhhhh...the age old "bulking argument"
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uh ohhhhh...the age old "bulking argument"
theres no argument its just law of conservation of energy
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A very easy plan for bulking:
First, check this article about realistic lean body mass gains:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/supplement-marketing-on-steroids-by-alan-aragon.html
Then go for X lbs per week of body weight gain (X = e.g. 0.2lbs). Calculate what you should weight every day during the bulk. Step on the scale each morning. If you are above target weight for that day, skip a meal or two. If not, eat all your meals. Try to get enough protein in any case (about 1g / lb of LBM).
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please cite reference
Check e.g. this thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=118981601
Alan Aragon chiming in and agreeing.
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think of it this way... two ways to adapt to strength training... neurological adaptations (recruitment of muscle fibers, increased efficency) or hypertrophy (sacroplasmic, myofibrillar) now... which of these mechanisms will the body take preference of in a surplus and which one in a deficit? simple...
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Check e.g. this thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=118981601
Alan Aragon chiming in and agreeing.
Yes as a natural... chances are you won't be gaining much muscle at all... I agree
but this is bodybuilding and people with half a brain who want to gain muscle have supraphysiological levels of growth hormones
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Yes as a natural... chances are you won't be gaining much muscle at all... I agree
but this is bodybuilding and people with half a brain who want to gain muscle have supraphysiological levels of growth hormones
Alan's article deals with both naturals and juicers.
But you're right that I have no personal experience with the latter.
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Alan's article deals with both naturals and juicers.
But you're right that I have no personal experience with the latter.
On the other hand this Aragon fella writes a great article
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On the other hand this Aragon fella writes a great article
He sure knows his stuff.
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
And that's what he wrote when I asked him about recomping / building muscle while losing fat:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=385273091&postcount=35
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if i had a life size gummy bear....i would totally have sex with it!!!!
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if i had a life size gummy bear....i would totally have sex with it!!!!
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you need some ambien stat!
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you need some ambien stat!
i am just letting yall know where i stand on the gummy bear situation.....and ambien?...i could take a handfull of that shit and go running, or to the gym......it is useless on me...
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i try to do what all you guys have said,a little clean and some wks add some "bad carbs",all food can be healthy depending on how it's prepared and portions,calorie counting though is for the birds,if u lift heavy and hard and cycle your carbs and fats then eat to grow,there is a limit to size and condition at some point for most regular trainees like most on this board,contest or high level bbers are totally different perspective.training is great,eating can be good or bad,to stay ultra lean as possible is a commitment and tough task because your trying to keep your body with a look that even a slight increase in calories causes the "look'to change and it plays mind games and u can feel guilty that your not your best because your not lean as u have been .you feel inferior to yourself .
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Bodybuilding is the muscle
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Once I hit around the 18stone mark I think I will consciously clean up my diet a little so that I 'grow' into my weight.
So far I am 17st 7lbs in the morning.
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He sure knows his stuff.
'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'
And that's what he wrote when I asked him about recomping / building muscle while losing fat:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=385273091&postcount=35
Yeah...he's a beast....I'd follow his advice to the letter.
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Trial and error for me , I don't read any studies ,or listen to nutritionist or bodybuilders , I know what works for my wife and I (both lifetime naturals )
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the short answer is probably no
there are a few people around like levrone who used to grow into shows and stuff like that, but to tell the truth you have to be a black guy to do shit like that
there is another instance where you can clean bulk, wichis your first steroid cycle.....durign this time yo can eat pretty much anything and get biug and lean
Dont really think this is true. If you have a fast metabolism then yes eat whatever you want and you will get bigger and stay lean. Someone with a slower metabolism eating whatever they want isnt gonna stay lean no matter what gear they are on. They will def gain size. Juice doesnt burn fat but the increase in muscle size sometimes gives the illusion that you are staying lean. As far as "clean bulking" what fun is that? Plus when you go to get ripped what do you do just decrease the "clean" calories? You're gonna be burnt out from eating just chicken rice etc. throughout both phases of your program
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I think what might be more useful than these arguments is to have any guru here recommend a diet that actually works?
I am looking for a realistic diet to lower my BF% ! a one that is actually possible, not one of those diets in which you have 5 or 6 meals a day.
I am expecting to be doing cardio 3 times a week.
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Just eat less, do more and make sure to get enough protein. End of story. Nothing fancy is needed till you're REALLY in the single digits bodyfat wise.
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Yeah...he's a beast....I'd follow his advice to the letter.
I hope this was a joke