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First of all, no way I would take my baby to hear these violent outbursts. Notice in the video, the person on the left of the screen has a baby right beside the person freaking out at the ill guy on the ground. ::) I just couldn't do that. And if I had, no way I wouldn't say to the guy yelling to calm down, babies and children are present. And as far as screaming at a parkinson's patient, i couldn't do that either or stand by without saying something that most likely would end in more than words being exchanged. I really don't get it. There are probably many people who are healthy and able that they could have voiced their opposisiton to if they wanted to get loud and mocking with it. I would have ingored this guy and moved on. What is to gain from attacking him? nothing. I can't see the good people from Wyoming doing something like this republican or otherwise. This isn't the kind of shit I was raised with.
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^^^^ WWJD?
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How do you know that guy had parkinsons in the first place?
Aldo - he probably was covered by medicare due to his age or medicaid if he needed a nursing home.
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i will wait for 333386 to reply to this and make the case for it being a legit form of protest.... :o
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i will wait for 333386 to reply to this and make the case for it being a legit form of protest.... :o
That guy is already covered by medicare or medicade.
Maybe he has dementia too.
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I have no idea what that means mons but I'm pretty sure I don't want you siding with me. I can imagine at this point, nobody here wants you siding with them ;D
I didn't state these things to attack the right out of some leftist loyalty or whatever.
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Tonight the event organizers condemned the actions of the people who attacked this man.
So anyone who defends it is now at opposition to the tea party members as well. The guy has parkinsons and supports the bill. His voice matters just as much as the asshole screaming at him. One vote each.
The man with parkinsons should have maced that prick the moment it went from holding up signs to violating his personal space. It's one thing to have differing opinions. Another entirely to get 2 inches from his face.
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How do you know that guy had parkinsons in the first place?
Aldo - he probably was covered by medicare due to his age or medicaid if he needed a nursing home.
not relevant. If i were in line the last thing I would do is attack him on the basis that he might be lying. I see nothing to gain in doing it. There were no doubt plenty of others who were able to hear protests. I couldn't stand in line with those kind of people. I could not take my baby to something like that either.
The people I was raised around would have voiced their opinions to the man assuming he was indeed sick. They would have said they were sorry that he was sick but, and calmly told him how they felt and why they opposed him. I hope you understand where I'm coming from 3333.
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Tonight the event organizers condemned the actions of the people who attacked this man.
So anyone who defends it is now at opposition to the tea party members as well. The guy has parkinsons and supports the bill. His voice matters just as much as the asshole screaming at him. One vote each.
The man with parkinsons should have maced that prick the moment it went from holding up signs to violating his personal space. It's one thing to have differing opinions. Another entirely to get 2 inches from his face.
All I am saying is that this guy probably will be better off w/o obamacare since the bill cuts out 500 billion from medicare alone.
So like I said, he probably has demnetia too.
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not relevant. If i were in line the last thing I would do is attack him on the basis that he might be lying. I see nothing to gain in doing it. There were no doubt plenty of others who were able to hear protests. I couldn't stand in line with those kind of people. I could not take my baby to something like that either.
The people I was raised around would have voiced their opinions to the man assuming he was indeed sick. They would have said they were sorry that he was sick but, and calmly told him how they felt and why they opposed him. I hope you understand where I'm coming from 3333.
Hugo - I am jaded, hardened, and used to frauds like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al who make shit up and try to stir emotions etc.
What i would have said to the man was "sir, arnt you covered by Medicare or Medicade now? This bill cuts $500 Billion from Medicare and your treatments will be rationed according to community ratings and comparitive effecrtiveness panels. Is that what you want?"
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guys they,re tea-baggers....
i can't say that this poor behavior is a surprise... after all, they are tea-baggers.
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"All I am saying is that this guy probably will be better off w/o obamacare since the bill cuts out 500 billion from medicare alone.
You may be right. But that's a different thread, about the validity of this bill. The people screaming at him and shoving hands in his face weren't debating the merits of the bill, they were screaming and accusing him of being a beggar, commie, etc.
I swear that 'communist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' claim is pathetic. You might as well be screaming an anti-semetic or racial slur. People who scream that should read about class SLAUGHTERING that went on during actual communist reigns. Unless the crippled man on the ground is holding up a sign saying "murder 20 million americans", he's not a communist.
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it's just sad all around...
You would never see this type of behavior at anything democratic that is for certain.
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I love all the medicare and medicaid covered people AGAINST any sort of reform or government intervention. hahaha seems like something 333 would do.
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Obama is a communist and there is no doubt about that at all.
Regardless, if I were there I would sit down with him and try to explain how ObamaCare will ration his care and cut 500 Billion from Medicare.
also, I would explain the community ratings boards and comparitive effectiveness panels that will likely send this man to an early grave and try to educate him.
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I love all the medicare and medicaid covered people AGAINST any sort of reform or government intervention. hahaha seems like something 333 would do.
moron, people in their 20. 30. 40, 50, who go to work are not covered by medicade. This old man probably was and stands to the most to lose under MAOCare. I have listed the reasons many times. Remember this gem?
ObamaCare to old man - "Take a pill and die bro!"
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All I am saying is that this guy probably will be better off w/o obamacare since the bill cuts out 500 billion from medicare alone.
So like I said, he probably has demnetia too.
Maybe he does have other problems. Also, that's not all you were saying above. You sought to excuse it via he might be faking. That's the same thing Rush Limbaugh did to Michael J. Fox. That didn't work out real well for him. These guys went there to protest against Obamacare. What they did was to give far more voice to the opposition by the way they acted. Not cool. If they would have addressed him calmly and said, hey, I'm sorry you're sick, but this is the way we feel and this is why we feel that way; there would have never been a video to go viral making people mad at the tea party.
Tact!!!.... was absent here. I can see dropping tact with people you know and talk to regularly but not in public with people you don't know. I can't support the actions of these guys.
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Obama is a communist and there is no doubt about that at all.
Regardless, if I were there I would sit down with him and try to explain how ObamaCare will ration his care and cut 500 Billion from Medicare.
also, I would explain the community ratings boards and comparitive effectiveness panels that will likely send this man to an early grave and try to educate him.
Your going to educate Obama? get a clue man...
What are your credentials exactly to where you can educate the president of the united states, on healthcare you silly tea-bagger?
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Pretty bad.
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Maybe he does have other problems. Also, that's not all you were saying above. You sought to excuse it via he might be faking. That's the same thing Rush Limbaugh did to Michael J. Fox. That didn't work out real well for him. These guys went there to protest against Obamacare. What they did was to give far more voice to the opposition by the way they acted. Not cool. If they would have addressed him calmly and said, hey, I'm sorry you're sick, but this is the way we feel and this is why we feel that way; there would have never been a video to go viral making people mad at the tea party.
Tact!!!.... was absent here. I can see dropping tact with people you know and talk to regularly but not in public with people you don't know. I can't support the actions of these guys.
Hugo I agree with you on TACT. You are 100% correct.
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Pretty bad.
exactly, these tea-baggers are savages.
333367, kazan, skip were surely at that rally harassing the poor man.
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Hugo - I am jaded, hardened, and used to frauds like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al who make shit up and try to stir emotions etc.
What i would have said to the man was "sir, arnt you covered by Medicare or Medicade now? This bill cuts $500 Billion from Medicare and your treatments will be rationed according to community ratings and comparitive effecrtiveness panels. Is that what you want?"
So you're telling me you would not have jumped in his face yelling at him and started tossing 1$bills at him? That's good, so the type of behaviour I would expect from decent people is the type of behaviour you would give. Kudos to you 3333. Good call. I could not stand in line with those types. If you believe what you just said, I would stand in line with you.
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haha sure sure 333. I saw many a gray headed medicare folk in that crowd. Laughable really. The fact they are even the 'tea party' is laughable. The tea party was organized by smugglers like John Hancock who decided being taxed sucks (even though the fact of the matter is taxes were rarely if ever taken or enforced by the British).
More lies fed to you and the other 'baggers. As if they are noble in spirit. I despise those who would mock any one with a disease. For a Christian country America is more like Sodom than anything.
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Your going to educate Obama? get a clue man...
What are your credentials exactly to where you can educate the president of the united states, on healthcare you silly tea-bagger?
After seeing Obama's embarassing performance last night, I am confident I am more versed on this bill than he his.
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"Regardless, if I were there I would sit down with him and try to explain how ObamaCare will ration his care and cut 500 Billion from Medicare. also, I would explain the community ratings boards and comparitive effectiveness panels that will likely send this man to an early grave and try to educate him. "
Good points.
I agree with 95% of the tea party ideals. however, by allowing racist speakers and assholes in the crowd like this means their party gets labeled (by BOTH dems and repubs) as ignorant hillbillies).
The Tea party has a responsibility to KICK OUT people with racist signs. You couldn't carry a sign with the N-word at the DNC or RNC conventions. They pre-read and approve speeches... you wouldn't see a speaker calling for Jim Crow laws at an RNC event, ya know?
Tea party, get your shit together. Throw out punks like this. Use your anger WISELY.
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Obama is a communist and there is no doubt about that at all.
Regardless, if I were there I would sit down with him and try to explain how ObamaCare will ration his care and cut 500 Billion from Medicare.
also, I would explain the community ratings boards and comparitive effectiveness panels that will likely send this man to an early grave and try to educate him.
333 are you or are you not against medicare and medicaid?
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So you're telling me you would not have jumped in his face yelling at him and started tossing 1$bills at him? That's good, so the type of behaviour I would expect from decent people is the type of behaviour you would give. Kudos to you 3333. Good call. I could not stand in line with those types. If you believe what you just said, I would stand in line with you.
Hell no, that is not how to conduct yourself in person throwing money at people. Thats ridiculous.
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333 are you or are you not against medicare and medicaid?
Against them.
Check this out.
www.usdebtclock.org
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Against them.
Check this out.
www.usdebtclock.org
So why would you use the cuts to medicare in the current bill as fuel to kill it? Wouldn't it stand to reason that that part of the bill is something you agree with?
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exactly, these tea-baggers are savages.
333367, kazan, skip were surely at that rally harassing the poor man.
What they did was inexcusable, but I wouldn't lump everyone across the country in the same bag with the handful of people on that clip.
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So why would you use the cuts to medicare in the current bill as fuel to kill it? Wouldn't it stand to reason that that part of the bill is something you agree with?
No, they are stealing money from medicare to pay for young peoples' subsidies. KC, I hav researched this bill extensively and it is a complete disaster.
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I have no idea what that means mons but I'm pretty sure I don't want you siding with me. I can imagine at this point, nobody here wants you siding with them ;D
I didn't state these things to attack the right out of some leftist loyalty or whatever.
Not siding w/ you Hugo. Just wondering how Jesus would respond to a sick man on the street.
WWJD?
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"What they did was inexcusable, but I wouldn't lump everyone across the country in the same bag with the handful of people on that clip. "
Agreed. 99% of the tea party members are probably calm, rational people just tired of big spending and nonstop wars from both parties.
This is why it is their duty to kick these freaks out of their party. The headline from this rally should be their MESSAGE, not their abuse of some sick man on the ground. If the other members had escorted this a-hole from the rally, it would have been a terrific news boost for this movement. Instead, you just hear 'commie!' and other slurs screamed for cheering onlookers. makes the very good movement, look bad :(
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Hell no, that is not how to conduct yourself in person throwing money at people. Thats ridiculous.
good, I support you on this.
The tea party has legitimate bitches that deserve to be heard. I hope it's not filled with these kind of asses or that some initiative is made by tea party followers to stand against this kind of behaviour so that those issues can be heard unclouded.
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good, I support you on this.
The tea party has legitimate bitches that deserve to be heard. I hope it's not filled with these kind of asses or that some initiative is made by tea party followers to stand against this kind of behaviour so that those issues can be heard unclouded.
We all know people act stupid when herded into crowds and do stuff they never would in a small group, etc. This was a perfect example of that.
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Not siding w/ you Hugo. Just wondering how Jesus would respond to a sick man on the street.
WWJD?
that's what WWJD means?
Yea Jesus would not respond like that.
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We all know people act stupid when herded into crowds and do stuff they never would in a small group, etc. This was a perfect example of that.
Herded or Crowded:
1. I would not do it.
2. I would not support it.
3. I would not make excuses for it.
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No, they are stealing money from medicare to pay for young peoples' subsidies. KC, I hav researched this bill extensively and it is a complete disaster.
So wait...the bill has yet to be released in it's entirety and you know everything about it?
Assuming medicare will be cut how can you be against those cuts? You are against medicare completely, you just said you would eliminate it, but now somehow when it's advocates are against the health care reform you want to use it as a way to point out what exactly? That you are so against health care reform you will side with people whose benefits you would love nothing more than to cut? How can you be for the destruction of medicare and also against taking money from it? Please explain that.
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So wait...the bill has yet to be released in it's entirety and you know everything about it?
Assuming medicare will be cut how can you be against those cuts? You are against medicare completely, you just said you would eliminate it, but now somehow when it's advocates are against the health care reform you want to use it as a way to point out what exactly? That you are so against health care reform you will side with people whose benefits you would love nothing more than to cut? How can you be for the destruction of medicare and also against taking money from it? Please explain that.
I'm not against the cuts. We cant afford more spending, and certainly not this mess. They are cutting the money from one area to fund a new entitlement somwhere else. This is the Senate Bill essentially and it is horrible.
This is from BI today.
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Here's The Truth About That CBO Report (Hint: We're Still Headed For Fiscal Catastrophe)
As fate would have it, on the day that the CBO report is released, I am in standby hell, and running low on laptop juice. So my thoughts on the CBO score, and the revised reconciliation bill, are necessarily somewhat preliminary. But here is what I've noticed so far:
1) Thanks to reconciliation instructions, they needed to improve the budget impact by at least $1 billion in the sidecar. They improved it by exactly $1 billion. Which goes back to what I've now said several times: the CBO process has now been so thoroughly gamed that it's useless.
2) The proposed changes increase spending dramatically, most heavily concentrated in the out-years. The gross cost of the bill has risen from $875 billion to $940 billion over ten years--but almost $40 billion of that comes in 2019. The net cost has increased even more dramatically, from $624 billion to $794 billion. That's because the excise tax has been so badly weakened. This is of dual concern: it's a financing risk, but it also means that the one provision which had a genuine shot at "bending the cost curve" in the broader health care market has at this point, basically been gutted. Moreover, it's hard not to believe that the reason it has been moved to 2018 is that no one really thinks it's ever going to take effect. It's one thing to have a period of adjustment. But a tax that takes effect in eight years is a tax so unpopular that it has little realistic chance of being allowed to stand.
3) As I expected, the size of the magic asterisk--the modern equivalent of David Stockman's infamous "savings to be named later" in the Reagan budgets--has had to be beefed up to offset the new spending.
4) Medicare Advantage is being effectively outlawed--in some areas, the reimbursements will actually be below those of the fee-for-service programs.
5) A disturbingly high percentage of the revenues still come from insurance premiums for other programs. About $53 billion of the net deficit reduction is from Social Security taxes collected on the wages people will now be getting in lieu of health care benefits. But since those contributions raise the amount Social Security will eventually have to pay out, the Republicans convincingly argue that this is not true "deficit reduction"; it's just deficit shifting. Ditto the premiums for the new long-term care insurance.
6) Ultimately, this rests on the question: are we really going to cut Medicare? If we're not, this gargantuan new entitlement is going to end up costing us about $200 billion a year next decade, which even in government terms is an awful lot of money. There are offsetting taxes, but they're either trivial or likely to be unpopular--look forward to a 4% rent increase when your landlord has to stump over the same amount for the new tax on rents. Then look forward to repeal of same.
I think this is a fiscal disaster waiting to happen. But no one on the other side cares, so I'm not sure how much point there is in saying that any more.
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that's what WWJD means?
Yea Jesus would not respond like that.
We all know that Jesus would think of America as Sodom reincarnated. Not because of the atheists but because of the so called Christians. So many of them don't follow any of the tenants whilst judging every single person they see. Sad really, i'm sure Jesus would be quite upset at how skewed his followers have become, he may even disown them. In fact i imagine he would. That is if they didn't disown him first, him being Jewish and all.
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So you aren't against any cuts to medicare or medicaid but you'd still try to use those as a talking point to get people against this bill?
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We all know that Jesus would think of America as Sodom reincarnated. Not because of the atheists but because of the so called Christians. So many of them don't follow any of the tenants whilst judging every single person they see. Sad really, i'm sure Jesus would be quite upset at how skewed his followers have become, he may even disown them. In fact i imagine he would. That is if they didn't disown him first, him being Jewish and all.
No kidding, i distinctly remember Jesus advocating for Abortion, Gay marriage, etc. ::) ::)
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What they did was inexcusable, but I wouldn't lump everyone across the country in the same bag with the handful of people on that clip.
True beach bum..
However, 333367 can barely behave himself on this board..Do you think he can do so in real life?
When he loses arguments, which he does all the time..he resorts to calling me a coke head..
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No kidding, i distinctly remember Jesus advocating for Abortion, Gay marriage, etc. ::) ::)
He may not advocate those things, but I'm sure he wouldn't act like that in opposition to them.
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No kidding, i distinctly remember Jesus advocating for Abortion, Gay marriage, etc. ::) ::)
Jesus preaching tolerance and judge not lest ye be judged. I also remember him healing the sick and not turning them away because it was a 'pre existing condition'. America/Sodom would make him sick. :-X
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^^^^ WWJD?
For starters, he'd keep you from getting the baby, sicko...
Tact!!!.... was absent here. I can see dropping tact with people you know and talk to regularly but not in public with people you don't know. I can't support the actions of these guys.
Those are good points. The message often gets lost in the delivery. So far, what's your overall opinion of the Tea-Bag party (if you can call it that, yet). I haven't been too thrilled with them or some of the tactics, but they have some good ideas.
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What they did was inexcusable, but I wouldn't lump everyone across the country in the same bag with the handful of people on that clip.
that would be silly, lumping everyone across the country to these guys. I see what I see and not more than what I see. I saw a clip with inexcusable behaviour and I saw many tea party followers all around that didn't say anything about it and in fact didn't even seem to mind. One holding a baby :-[
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True beach bum..
However, 333367 can barely behave himself on this board..Do you think he can do so in real life?
When he loses arguments, which he does all the time..he resorts to calling me a coke head..
I got no problem with 33. He's from New York. New Yorkers tell it like it is. That's why I like those folks. You always know where they're coming from. Brutally honest people.
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that would be silly, lumping everyone across the country to these guys. I see what I see and not more than what I see. I saw a clip with inexcusable behaviour and I saw many tea party followers all around that didn't say anything about it and in fact didn't even seem to mind. One holding a baby :-[
Agree.
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If you look closely at the video, the man who's doing most of the yelling is holding a sign that reads, "I am AFP". That stands for Americans For Prosperity, which is one of the big business interest groups that has been drumming up scare tactics concerning healthcare reform. Their president Tim Philips was on Hardball tonight, and he looked like a donkey.
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If you look closely at the video, the man who's doing most of the yelling is holding a sign that reads, "I am AFP". That stands for Americans For Prosperity, which is one of the big business interest groups that has been drumming up scare tactics concerning healthcare reform. Their president Tim Philips was on Hardball tonight, and he looked like a donkey.
I couldn't see that sign. Could you say how many seconds into the clip and where? I bitched about these groups infiltrating and controlling the movement long ago. A lot of these type of guys are bought and payed for so that could make a difference.
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he condemned that person holding the sign, of course.
he said their group doesn't support mocking a sick person like that
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he condemned that person holding the sign, of course.
he said their group doesn't support mocking a sick person like that
you're talking about Tim Philips?
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the hardball guest, if that was his name
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True beach bum..
However, 333367 can barely behave himself on this board..Do you think he can do so in real life?
When he loses arguments, which he does all the time..he resorts to calling me a coke head..
LOL and you send ppl pm's saying youre going to beat their ass...
let it go, what are you 12?
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LOL and you send ppl pm's saying youre going to beat their ass...
let it go, what are you 12?
Nicky is cry baby.
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Nicky is cry baby.
you are a tea-bagger who will go postal soon... :o
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you are a tea-bagger who will go postal soon... :o
Hopefully you, mons, Blacken, and the other marxists will be in close prximity if I do.
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you are a tea-bagger who will go postal soon... :o
333386 is a lot of things, but I seriously doubt he teabags. maybe a little snorkeling on a drunken saturday night but not TBing. ;)
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333386 is a lot of things, but I seriously doubt he teabags. maybe a little snorkeling on a drunken saturday night but not TBing. ;)
I am simply a Nu Yawk Wop Dago who likes a chick with a fat ass and bigguns.
Ha Ha!!!!
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There are idiots in every party and every organization Hugo. I still think the majority of the tea party complaints are legit...as long as they stick to the limited government & reduce spending message. This is why I don't want to identify myself with any party...just individual issues.
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I am simply a Nu Yawk Wop Dago who likes a chick with a fat ass and bigguns.
Ha Ha!!!!
you had me at Dago...... ;)