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I like to think they do but maybe it is just a placebo effect. Is there any hard evidence that they NO products actually do something? ???
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I like to think they do but maybe it is just a placebo effect. Is there any hard evidence that they NO products actually do something? ???
What do you mean by "work"
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What do you mean by "work"
Well, I try to convince myself that I am basically stronger if I take some NOX crap before a workout. Am I just deluding myself?
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Try this. I'm sure it's cheaper than the sugar water.
(http://pinkdbol.com/images/anabol.jpg)
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i have a tub of noexplode ive had for like 8 months now, whenever i take it it clearly gets my heart pumping, my workouts are longer and i have more strength and energy and fuller pumps.
maybe just taking a caffine tab would be the same, i dont know, all i know is thats what it does for me.
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yes they do
all pros use them
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Well, I try to convince myself that I am basically stronger if I take some NOX crap before a workout. Am I just deluding myself?
yeah
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yes they do
all pros use them
:D
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of course it works:
this is a user before:
(http://musclebuildingprograms.org/wp-images/skinny-guy.jpg)
and after:
(http://musclebuildingprograms.org/wp-images/skinny-guy.jpg)
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Well, I try to convince myself that I am basically stronger if I take some NOX crap before a workout. Am I just deluding myself?
Well yes its working then..even if it is placebo , who cares,you are progressing..ive noticed better pumps on them.
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The only thing i've ever felt works well is kre-alkalyn. Other than that I dont use 'supplements'
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The only thing i've ever felt works well is kre-alkalyn.
Meaning you really respond well to low dose creatine monohydrate, as Kre-Alkalyn is 99% creatine mono, as per the manufacturer. Imagine how swole you'd get on a real dose of creatine. :o
As far as the NO2 go, why do you think most of them contain stimulants? Because no one would notice jack-shit from arginine or whatever other supposed nitric oxide boosters are in there. Drink some coffee instead and if you want more blood flow eat some sugar. :D
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Phenom Labs Herculean Xtreme - NO/Creatine Product
I definitely feel a very noticeable pump during my work outs and this after months and months on the product without even increasing the dosage or anything (1 scoop)
Give it a shot, www.phenomlabs.com
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Meaning you really respond well to low dose creatine monohydrate, as Kre-Alkalyn is 99% creatine mono, as per the manufacturer. Imagine how swole you'd get on a real dose of creatine. :o
:o I don't want my hair to fall out.
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Phenom Labs Herculean Xtreme - NO/Creatine Product
I definitely feel a very noticeable pump during my work outs and this after months and months on the product without even increasing the dosage or anything (1 scoop)
Give it a shot, www.phenomlabs.com
That must be the worst formulation I've ever seen in this class of products.
But nice plug for the outfit. :D
Ahmed Elattar - BIG ACH -Herculean Xtreme
"So for the last few days I've been taking Herculean Xtreme by Phenom Labs, and I have to say I have never felt a product take such an effect in such
a short time.
I have been training seriously since 2000, and I've tried a whole bunch of different pre-work out drinks and Nitric Oxide supps. No-Xplode was never
all that for me, Gaspari's Superpump didn't sit well in my stomach, even Nitrix was not all that it was hyped up to be.
But ever since I've started taking Herculean Xtreme, I've been getting some INCREDIBLE Pumps in the gym, its completely UNREAL. I take it and I
really feel it impacting my body, today especially I felt like a monster and wanted to tear the weights apart from the second that I set foot in the gym. I
don't know how to accurately describe the feeling, but it was like a total Euphoria taking over my body, it was amazing.
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That must be the worst formulation I've ever seen in this class of products.
But nice plug for the outfit. :D
Why do you think its the worst formulation if you don't mind me asking?
Its really a good product... It won't do magic, but what amazes me the most is that I have not needed to increase the dosage and I've been using it for almost a year, 1 scoop the first day I tried it, and still 1 scoop yesterday evening.
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Why do you think its the worst formulation if you don't mind me asking?
Its really a good product... It won't do magic, but what amazes me the most is that I have not needed to increase the dosage and I've been using it for almost a year, 1 scoop the first day I tried it, and still 1 scoop yesterday evening.
Just a couple of things:
50mg of waxy maize? WTF? Of course I know the reason it's there - just looks good on the label.
Same deal on the citrulline (6000mg might increase endurance, but 50mg?), betaine, glucoronolactone and several other ingredients. Doses that do nothing - just label filler to fool the customer.
Creatine Ethyl Ester - proven to not work in research.
Arginine - hasn't been shown to increase nitric oxide in humans via oral delivery. The "pump" from this is imaginary.
Only thing useful I find in there is the caffeine. 200mg, same as a strong cup of coffee. No hating, the formula is just shit.
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Phenom Labs Herculean Xtreme - NO/Creatine Product
I definitely feel a very noticeable pump during my work outs and this after months and months on the product without even increasing the dosage or anything (1 scoop)
Give it a shot, www.phenomlabs.com
Seems to have nothing on Plazmosis. :-\
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I like to think they do but maybe it is just a placebo effect. Is there any hard evidence that they NO products actually do something? ???
when did you come back???
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Phenom Labs Herculean Xtreme - NO/Creatine Product
I definitely feel a very noticeable pump during my work outs and this after months and months on the product without even increasing the dosage or anything (1 scoop)
Give it a shot, www.phenomlabs.com
*facepalm*
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I say they work in terms of achieving a pump and/or getting energy in the gym [depending on the ingredients] but I am not sure about gaining mass.
Go to my website and click on "Supplement Reviews" - "Nitric Oxide Product Reviews" to read my reviews of many different NO products.
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I've tried alot of them and even though the caffeine helps and you do get a better pump i'm pretty sure i've never gained a single lb. of muscle because of it.IMO use it if you got the money,otherwise buy eggs and steak with it(and some caffeine tabs).
Peace
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Why do you think its the worst formulation if you don't mind me asking?
Its really a good product... It won't do magic, but what amazes me the most is that I have not needed to increase the dosage and I've been using it for almost a year, 1 scoop the first day I tried it, and still 1 scoop yesterday evening.
What gear are you taking along with this nitric oxide stuff ?
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Gaspari Plasmajet is great,banned over here though so I cant sell it but use it myself
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i see your still a complete dumbass.
bb.com is calling your name
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I've tried alot of them and even though the caffeine helps and you do get a better pump i'm pretty sure i've never gained a single lb. of muscle because of it.IMO use it if you got the money,otherwise buy eggs and steak with it(and some caffeine tabs).
Spot on.
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Creatine is the only natural thing I found that works, the rest is shit other than a placebo effect.
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NOX works.
The base amino that defines NOX is Arginine...it increases nitric oxide....so technically, if a supp. has Arginine, then it's NOX.....but I wouldn't buy anything that's primarily Arginine ....
Where NOX works is when they combine it with other aminos such as Beta-Alanine, Citrulline Malate and Tyrosine....Citrulline has shown to increase nitric oxide more than Arginine; and also increases resistance to fatigue and increases ATP (like creatine).....pretty impressive right?.....Beta-Alanine helps suppress lactic acid and delays muscle fatigue....Tyorsine hepls improve mental alterness and mood (think better focus in the gym).....
Vasocharge by Scivation has all these aminos...I love this supp...worth every cent....2+ hours in the gym.....love it....then a massive feed afterwards.....hell yeh!
For me there's no doubt a good NOX product works.
Creatine + NOX = wouldn't train without it......btw, I'm natural, I don't stick a needle in my ass....so this is as good as it gets (I can hear the anabolic heros laughing)....each to their own right
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NO products are completely useless for improving body composition.
Same as all natural "test boosters".
See also page 4 of this thread (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121714861).
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Gaspari Plasmajet is great,banned over here though so I cant sell it but use it myself
Reported to the authorities.
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NOX works.
The base amino that defines NOX is Arginine...it increases nitric oxide....so technically, if a supp. has Arginine, then it's NOX.....but I wouldn't buy anything that's primarily Arginine ....
Where NOX works is when they combine it with other aminos such as Beta-Alanine, Citrulline Malate and Tyrosine....Citrulline has shown to increase nitric oxide more than Arginine; and also increases resistance to fatigue and increases ATP (like creatine).....pretty impressive right?.....Beta-Alanine helps suppress lactic acid and delays muscle fatigue....Tyorsine hepls improve mental alterness and mood (think better focus in the gym).....
Vasocharge by Scivation has all these aminos...I love this supp...worth every cent....2+ hours in the gym.....love it....then a massive feed afterwards.....hell yeh!
For me there's no doubt a good NOX product works.
Creatine + NOX = wouldn't train without it......btw, I'm natural, I don't stick a needle in my ass....so this is as good as it gets (I can hear the anabolic heros laughing)....each to their own right
Yes.....they work just fine.
I take NOX occasionally because you can't take it every workout or your body gets used to them. But when i do use it i get so pumped i can barely move...it's no placebo. and i have great energy and focus.
Some people don't get shit out of sups and some respond
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I love NO-Explode and Shotgun by VPX is also good - I think they're a great pre-cursor to muscle stimulation and I have genuinely made more gains using them than when I didn't. They may not work for some people but they do work on me.
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Just a couple of things:
50mg of waxy maize? WTF? Of course I know the reason it's there - just looks good on the label.
Same deal on the citrulline (6000mg might increase endurance, but 50mg?), betaine, glucoronolactone and several other ingredients. Doses that do nothing - just label filler to fool the customer.
Creatine Ethyl Ester - proven to not work in research.
Arginine - hasn't been shown to increase nitric oxide in humans via oral delivery. The "pump" from this is imaginary.
Only thing useful I find in there is the caffeine. 200mg, same as a strong cup of coffee. No hating, the formula is just shit.
There are studies that have proven Arginine does support the increase of blood flow to skeletal muscle.. I'll have to disagree with you on this. It is still a new substance that is being researched, but I wouldn't go so far and say the pump is imaginary, granted I'm sure many people over exaggerate it, but it is there and noticeable.
Yes the Caffeine is effective, so is the creatine included, the Beta-alanine, and the Tyrosine and of course the Arginine.
I know the Waxy Maize does look funny at a small qty like that, but I believe its there as a means to control the texture of the product itself. Its not meant to be there for your pre-work out carbohydrate intake!
Dude its a good product.
I've taken other products some I've liked and some i haven't liked! But this is the one that I've liked the most!
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of course it works:
this is a user before:
(http://musclebuildingprograms.org/wp-images/skinny-guy.jpg)
and after:
(http://musclebuildingprograms.org/wp-images/skinny-guy.jpg)
looking good uberman can really see the improvement in your before and after. kudos to you.
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There are studies that have proven Arginine does support the increase of blood flow to skeletal muscle.. I'll have to disagree with you on this. It is still a new substance that is being researched, but I wouldn't go so far and say the pump is imaginary, granted I'm sure many people over exaggerate it, but it is there and noticeable.
Yes the Caffeine is effective, so is the creatine included, the Beta-alanine, and the Tyrosine and of course the Arginine.
I know the Waxy Maize does look funny at a small qty like that, but I believe its there as a means to control the texture of the product itself. Its not meant to be there for your pre-work out carbohydrate intake!
Dude its a good product.
I've taken other products some I've liked and some i haven't liked! But this is the one that I've liked the most!
I don't get all the people that say the pump is "imaginary"...i take this shit and I get a RIDICULOUS pump. as well as energy.
It's not in my head
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I don't get all the people that say the pump is "imaginary"...i take this shit and I get a RIDICULOUS pump. as well as energy.
It's not in my head
It is. These sugar-water mixtures own your mind. :D
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as I said in another thread, just use caffeine tabs plus cheap creatine
save money, live better
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I don't get all the people that say the pump is "imaginary"...i take this shit and I get a RIDICULOUS pump. as well as energy.
It's not in my head
lol!
are you "sponsored" too now? :D
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as I said in another thread, just use caffeine tabs plus cheap creatine
save money, live better
I tried that about ten years ago and it doesn't work in the slightest.
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I know the Waxy Maize does look funny at a small qty like that, but I believe its there as a means to control the texture of the product itself. Its not meant to be there for your pre-work out carbohydrate intake!
Then why isn't it beside the maltodextrin in the "other ingredients" panel? ;) :D 50mg won't do shit for texture, there's only one reason it's there on the label, among many of the other ingredients.
If I were to take a product such as this I would go with the Scivation one mentioned before. High dosages of everything and a few proven ingredients.
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I don't get all the people that say the pump is "imaginary"...i take this shit and I get a RIDICULOUS pump. as well as energy.
It's not in my head
Which specific product(s) are effective for you?
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NOX works for people who have never done real rec/ drugs before...People who have no clue what it feels like to feel out of their element...Hell coffee to young adults is like crack when they first do it...Nos is garbage and if you think it isn't, you are a fucking nerd...
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Which specific product(s) are effective for you?
American bodybuildings Nos product works for me. They sell it at Hi Health for 2.00 I'll take one every now and again and it does exactly what they say it does.....I get a CRAZY pump and a caffeine rush. I'm not expecting miracles...just a good kick in the ass, which it delivers.
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American bodybuildings Nos product works for me. They sell it at Hi Health for 2.00 I'll take one every now and again and it does exactly what they say it does.....I get a CRAZY pump and a caffeine rush. I'm not expecting miracles...just a good kick in the ass, which it delivers.
The SPEED STACK PUMPED N.O.? So it's 300mg of caffeine, 3 grams of Arginines, a little taurine, electrolytes and a little glycerol. I just doubt the arginine (the "NO" portion) is doing much if anything. Of course you could try if you noticed anything from a few arginine pills, which I very much doubt. Arginine supplements have been on the market for decades and no one noticed any pumps until they were sold specifically for that purpose.
The glycerol keeps water in circulation so if you're more pumped it's that if anything IMO, and obviously the high caffeine dose gives a rush. Actually just staying well hydrated will optimize "pumps".
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The SPEED STACK PUMPED N.O.? So it's 300mg of caffeine, 3 grams of Arginines, a little taurine, electrolytes and a little glycerol. I just doubt the arginine (the "NO" portion) is doing much if anything. Of course you could try if you noticed anything from a few arginine pills, which I very much doubt. Arginine supplements have been on the market for decades and no one noticed any pumps until they were sold specifically for that purpose.
The glycerol keeps water in circulation so if you're more pumped it's that if anything IMO, and obviously the high caffeine dose gives a rush. Actually just staying well hydrated will optimize "pumps".
That's not it..i checked. i'm not sure what brand it is TBH, but it's got citruline malate in it too.
Regardless.... you are making me laugh by telling me what it does and what i'm feeling..It does EXACTLY what they say it does for me, the pumps are insane and it gives me a ton of energy....if it doesn't work for you i don't know what to tell you.
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That's not it..i checked. i'm not sure what brand it is TBH, but it's got citruline malate in it too.
Regardless.... you are making me laugh by telling me what it does and what i'm feeling..It does EXACTLY what they say it does for me, the pumps are insane and it gives me a ton of energy....if it doesn't work for you i don't know what to tell you.
Pop some anti-estrogens bro. You sound like my bitch of an ex g/f. "You don't know how I feel!"
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That's not it..i checked. i'm not sure what brand it is TBH, but it's got citruline malate in it too.
Regardless.... you are making me laugh by telling me what it does and what i'm feeling..It does EXACTLY what they say it does for me, the pumps are insane and it gives me a ton of energy....if it doesn't work for you i don't know what to tell you.
Well, you have Elite Genetics, so maybe it's that.
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Well, you have Elite Genetics, so maybe it's that.
That is true :D :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=323648.0;attach=362242;image)
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Pop some anti-estrogens bro. You sound like my bitch of an ex g/f. "You don't know how I feel!"
I was talking about physically...you penis-puller >:(
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Then why isn't it beside the maltodextrin in the "other ingredients" panel? ;) :D 50mg won't do shit for texture, there's only one reason it's there on the label, among many of the other ingredients.
You'll notice on the site they have a few highlights on the main ingredients and composition of the product, and Wazy maize is not listed there... You raise some interesting points, and now made me curious, so I'm gonna contact them to see the real purpose of it being included. If i hear back and I will post here for conversation purposes!
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You'll notice on the site they have a few highlights on the main ingredients and composition of the product, and Wazy maize is not listed there... You raise some interesting points, and now made me curious, so I'm gonna contact them to see the real purpose of it being included. If i hear back and I will post here for conversation purposes!
You have Elite Being Ripped Genetics...
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That's not it..i checked. i'm not sure what brand it is TBH, but it's got citruline malate in it too.
Regardless.... you are making me laugh by telling me what it does and what i'm feeling..It does EXACTLY what they say it does for me, the pumps are insane and it gives me a ton of energy....if it doesn't work for you i don't know what to tell you.
It may "work" for you but not because your nitric oxide levels are all jacked up. Take a few grams of citrulline and arginine by itself before a workout and see what it does without all the carbs and stimulants. :D
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You'll notice on the site they have a few highlights on the main ingredients and composition of the product, and Wazy maize is not listed there... You raise some interesting points, and now made me curious, so I'm gonna contact them to see the real purpose of it being included. If i hear back and I will post here for conversation purposes!
Look here
(http://www.phenomlabs.com/sitebuilder/images/HerculeanXtremeFacts-1-458x483.jpg)
Compare to a product I would take if I were to use something of this class. Vasocharge. Although proprietary blend you can still work out approximately how much is in there since the ingredient dosed highest is listed first per the law.
(http://www.scivation.com/products/suppfacts/vasocharge.jpg)
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Look here
(http://www.phenomlabs.com/sitebuilder/images/HerculeanXtremeFacts-1-458x483.jpg)
Compare to a product I would take if I were to use something of this class. Vasocharge. Although proprietary blend you can still work out approximately how much is in there since the ingredient dosed highest is listed first per the law.
(http://www.scivation.com/products/suppfacts/vasocharge.jpg)
So arginine is worthless?
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What gear are you taking along with this nitric oxide stuff ?
Captain you know I've never used gear in my life ;D
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It may "work" for you but not because your nitric oxide levels are all jacked up. Take a few grams of citrulline and arginine by itself before a workout and see what it does without all the carbs and stimulants. :D
I really don't give a rat's ass which ingredient does what...it's not that serious.
For a lousy 2.00 every few days it performs exactly as advertised for me...if you want to play Dr. Science knock yourself out.
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I really don't give a rat's ass which ingredient does what...it's not that serious.
For a lousy 2.00 every few days it performs exactly as advertised for me...if you want to play Dr. Science knock yourself out.
It's not serious at all, you're right. But it's a discussion board sometimes I can't resist chiming in. It's mildly interesting to me how these different new supplement classes are created.
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So arginine is worthless?
Depends what you're using it for. Or maybe not even then. I can't recall, maybe there was some data on it helping wound healing after burns or something. What I'm saying is that there's a reason it's stacked with a bunch of stimulants in these formulas. Or carbs. They're the ones you feel when you take an "NO2" product.
There was some drug I looked at, something that was aimed at diabetics for increasing blood flow. I think it contained methylfolate (folic acid) and something else. So there might be some nutrients that increase blood flow but I doubt there's anything more powerful than insulin. So eat your sugars and/or take your Humalog for pumps. :D
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Look here
(http://www.phenomlabs.com/sitebuilder/images/HerculeanXtremeFacts-1-458x483.jpg)
Compare to a product I would take if I were to use something of this class. Vasocharge. Although proprietary blend you can still work out approximately how much is in there since the ingredient dosed highest is listed first per the law.
(http://www.scivation.com/products/suppfacts/vasocharge.jpg)
First of all I think Phenom Labs labeling is better because you don't have the propriety blend shit, its all listed as is telling you EXACTLY whats in the product and how much of it.
Second, I see Phenom labs having a wider variety of ingredients with some things being of less quantity, and Vasocharge having more of the quantity by not so wide of a variety... so I mean you're splitting hairs here. I don't think ingredients are listed there JUST to be listed there and make the label look better, if you really have want to go deep into it, you've got things like electrolyte balance, regardless of how important you think it is or it isn't, the ingredients are there to serve a purpose.
I'm going to be honest, I may have a very biased view because I'm sponsored by the company... but what good is being sponsored by a company and getting / using their product if it doesn't work, would serve me no purpose to be sponsored. Do you understand what I'm saying?
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I'm going to be honest, I may have a very biased view because I'm sponsored by the company... but what good is being sponsored by a company and getting / using their product if it doesn't work, would serve me no purpose to be sponsored. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Well, kind of.:D Most bodybuilders will take a "sponsorship" even if it means zero bucks and only their name/pic on a website or a mag. But I don't know what kind of deal you have and I doubt you'd tell, which I understand.
I don't like prop blends either. But I have used Scivation's Xtend and it has a good rep for quality so I chose this for comparison. Plus the few proven ingredients are in dosages that have been shown to work in some studies (of course you can discuss whether it's worth to supplements for perhaps a relatively tiny effect). Most of the effect from that supp would be from the Brain Drive part and perhaps a small effect from the citrulline and beta alanine if used long term. I wouldn't pay for this product either. :D
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I was talking about physically...you penis-puller >:(
I pull no penis but my own... And then only when my bitch of an ex doesn't feel like fucking for "old time's sake." :D
As far as this NOX shit goes, I notice a bit of difference over straight caffeine but I'm not sure it justifies the cost. I'd say the cheapest yet still one of the best is Jacked by USP Labs. I think it's $20 or $25 for around 25-35 servings.
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Well, kind of.:D Most bodybuilders will take a "sponsorship" even if it means zero bucks and only their name/pic on a website or a mag. But I don't know what kind of deal you have and I doubt you'd tell, which I understand.
I don't like prop blends either. But I have used Scivation's Xtend and it has a good rep for quality so I chose this for comparison. Plus the few proven ingredients are in dosages that have been shown to work in some studies (of course you can discuss whether it's worth to supplements for perhaps a relatively tiny effect). Most of the effect from that supp would be from the Brain Drive part and perhaps a small effect from the citrulline and beta alanine if used long term. I wouldn't pay for this product either. :D
In regards to your first part, i'm not sure what part of my agreement with them I'm allowed or not allowed to talk about publicly, so I'll leave that info out so I don't get in trouble :-D , but I will say that it revolves mainly around product, with that being said, I use the product everyday I work out, and if it didn't work I wouldn't use it, whats the point of using a product that doesn't work. and I REALLY do use it. I didn't do it for magazines or websites or whatever, I've been featured in magazines, on websites, and even have my own website. So I REALLY do use it! lol
In regards to Scivation, I've never used VasoCharge (or Maybe have ONCE), but I used Xtend for an extended period time (no pun intended), and it is a good product, but honestly its expensive and I think there are other products that have a better formulation (one of those products being Chains from Phenom Labs).
For NO I've used Gaspari Superpump a few times and that upset my stomach everytime I used it, everytime! and I consider myself to have a strong stomach. NO-Xplode was alright, but I felt that I had to increase my dosage after sometime or the sensation wasn't there (maybe its mental I really can't say), I used Nitrix also from BSN and didn't feel anything.... And I felt NOTHING with Muscletech NaNo Vapor, so as Groink said for his product, Herculean Xtreme did for me EXACTLY what its advertised to do, and that makes me happy.
I'm in no way trying to knock other companies, thats not the point of this message.... I'm just telling you what MY experience is. and What I believe of the company whose products I use!
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Every bodybuiding supplement ive ever tried has been pure shit.
Vitamins and proteins are the only supps I would spend my money on.
If you are going to take a lot of fucked up supplements you're better off just doing real gear.
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Every bodybuiding supplement ive ever tried has been pure shit.
Vitamins and proteins are the only supps I would spend my money on.
If you are going to take a lot of fucked up supplements you're better off just doing real gear.
What the hell are you talking about man??????? better off just doing real gear????
There are good supplements and there are bad ones, there are good supplement companies and there are bad supplement companies!
Oh and Juice is a whole other ballpark man!
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What the hell are you talking about man??????? better off just doing real gear????
There are good supplements and there are bad ones, there are good supplement companies and there are bad supplement companies!
Oh and Juice is a whole other ballpark man!
10 years ago I tried almost everything from GNC.
The only things I found useful was protein, vitamins, stimulants for energy and fat loss like Hydroxycut, and creatine can be useful but I think creatine is overrated myself.
Besides these basics, most of it was crap. It's better to spend that money on some extra meat, potatoes and veggies, food is where it's at. Lots of people do supps when their diet could use a lot of improvement.
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10 years ago I tried almost everything from GNC.
The only things I found useful was protein, vitamins, stimulants for energy and fat loss like Hydroxycut, and creatine can be useful but I think creatine is overrated myself.
Besides these basics, most of it was crap. It's better to spend that money on some extra meat, potatoes and veggies, food is where it's at. Lots of people do supps when their diet could use a lot of improvement.
1. Creatine is the most proven supplement in the market, I cannot begin to tell you the amount of research that has gone into that product.
2. Yes I agree that there are MANY people out there that need to focus on their diet more than the supplements they take, but that doesn't mean supplements are worthless.
3. Serves you right for going to GNC - LOL just kidding.
I believe 100% that good food is FAR more important than any supplement out there..... but thats exactly whats they are.... SUPPLEMENTS.... they are meant to supplement your Good diet!
As I said before, there are good supplements and there are bad supplements! I've had some shitty supplements of my own (Think Myozap by Pinnaccle back in the day), but to say that they are all shit, well this I have to disagree with you on!
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1. Creatine is the most proven supplement in the market, I cannot begin to tell you the amount of research that has gone into that product.
2. Yes I agree that there are MANY people out there that need to focus on their diet more than the supplements they take, but that doesn't mean supplements are worthless.
3. Serves you right for going to GNC - LOL just kidding.
I believe 100% that good food is FAR more important than any supplement out there..... but thats exactly whats they are.... SUPPLEMENTS.... they are meant to supplement your Good diet!
As I said before, there are good supplements and there are bad supplements! I've had some shitty supplements of my own (Think Myozap by Pinnaccle back in the day), but to say that they are all shit, well this I have to disagree with you on!
Hahahaha the myostatin gene blocker! Totally forgot about that trash. Some creatine and protein from a reputable company are really the only things you can trust.
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of course it works:
this is a user before:
(http://musclebuildingprograms.org/wp-images/skinny-guy.jpg)
and after:
(http://musclebuildingprograms.org/wp-images/skinny-guy.jpg)
;D
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This Thread.... hahahaha...