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Where is DrugFreeForLife. ::)
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i would never go to a chiro, many instances of chiros causing more damage to the spine and other areas, i went years ago cause i didn't know any better, now, if i need it and depending on the problem, sports physio, or even accupuncture in chinatown from the ones who treat their own.....but first, get x-rays done so you know what your dealing with first and go from there..............
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you dont know me, my words carry no authoritative appeal; but trust me.............95% of what chiropractors do is a scam
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Yoga can cure most chiropractic issues.
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where's moosejay?
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Where is DrugFreeForLife. ::)
Here douche...still waiting on that pic to own me.....oh, wait....there never will be one! You cant post one because you will be owned into oblivion
In any event...if chiropractic care is such a scam, why do all NFL teams have one on staff? A chiropractor doesnt help someone after a couple of visits and all hell breaks loose....but an MD over medicates and its "well, next we will know better"....or how how about the orthopoedic surgeon who operates on the WRONG shoulder?
How about this from the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services
There are 700,000 physicians in the U.S. It is estimated that medical doctors (from medications) cause appromixately 70,000 accidental deaths per year. I dont think there has been 1 death in the last year from a chiropractic adjustment.
Anyways....I know what I do helps people. MJK....anytime you want to try and own me....have at it. ME : 1 You : 0
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I don't trust Franco.
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if a misadjusted spine affects the liver, as some chiros claim, then why aren't quadriplegics suffering from liver failure?
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Someone once told me, "If you're dumb, you can be one!"
But I never took his advice so I don't know any that I can comment on.
But they make lots of money though.
I have a good friend who is dumber than an oyster and his dad said, "Son, I'll pay your "tuition". What do you want to be .... A personal trainer, a masseur, or a chiropractor?"
He smartened up a bit just then so he picked masseur and now he owns a three bedroom home by Jay's, two ski-doos, a speed-boat on Lake Mead, and two Mastiffs. And not even 30 yet!
He may be dumb but he sure ain't smart!
JNN, have you ever considered going to Chiropractor School?
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if a misadjusted spine affects the liver, as some chiros claim, then why aren't quadriplegics suffering from liver failure?
jesus logic fail much?
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i used to go at first i thought it helped, placebo effect? but than this guy started to injure me, i came in for mmy regularly scheduled appointment feeling good and left in pain. after two of these sessions i quit the quack.
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Quackery
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JNN, have you ever considered going to Chiropractor School?
stunt,
thanks for the concern but, i think i've found my life's work
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Helps lots of people. That being said, it's a little too removed from mainstream medicine to last with the changes being made to healthcare. Overheads, insurance, education, loans, etc.. aren't really getting any cheaper and unless someone wants to be in sales for life I wouldn't recommend it.
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Quackery
yup
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yup
Just finished a brutal MJK 2hr back work out....*whew* I think I am packing on some mass...I might be 260lbs by the end of the summer. Just hope my waist stays below 34". ::)
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Their profession gets lumped into naturopathy all the time and one has nothing to do with the other. Its just a part of medicine although largely ignored...sort of like a foot doctor or something. I had to go to one back in 2006 for 6 weeks when some girl texting on the phone sideswiped me and ran me into a wall.
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My buddy is a very wealthy chiropractor and he doesn't even believe in the effectiveness of what chiropractors (are suppose to) do.
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" I had to go to one back in 2006 for 6 weeks when some girl texting on the phone sideswiped me and ran me into a wall. "
Vince you were walking and she hit you? Holy shit I hope you took her irresponsible ass to the cleaners!
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I can't stand them. Most are crooks. They love to run up the tab when you're in a lawsuit and they know they're gonna get paid in full. They can do more damage than help.
But, at the same time...
When I had a shoulder issue/strained biceps ligament causing me terrible pain for months, ONE session of active release therapy fixed it. If I got hurt again, i'd find one in my area - www.activerelease.com - Milos was saved by active release therapy just hours before 2x rotator cuff surgery. it's a combo of motrion, massage and electricity at the same time. painful but very effective.
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" I had to go to one back in 2006 for 6 weeks when some girl texting on the phone sideswiped me and ran me into a wall. "
Vince you were walking and she hit you? Holy shit I hope you took her irresponsible ass to the cleaners!
Fortunately I was driving. I did get an attorney and a settlement from the insurance company.
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Curt ya know I agree with you..maybe that's because tommorow I start working for one
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I can't stand them. Most are crooks. They love to run up the tab when you're in a lawsuit and they know they're gonna get paid in full. They can do more damage than help.
But, at the same time...
When I had a shoulder issue/strained biceps ligament causing me terrible pain for months, ONE session of active release therapy fixed it. If I got hurt again, i'd find one in my area - www.activerelease.com - Milos was saved by active release therapy just hours before 2x rotator cuff surgery. it's a combo of motrion, massage and electricity at the same time. painful but very effective.
Most are crooks...wow Rob...they love to run up the tab?? I have met more attorneys that are crooks than chiros. Funny how an x-ray at a chiro is $280...yet that same x-ray at an ER is billed at $700. Hmmmm.....yeah, that sounds crooked for chiros.
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Their profession gets lumped into naturopathy all the time and one has nothing to do with the other. Its just a part of medicine although largely ignored...sort of like a foot doctor or something. I had to go to one back in 2006 for 6 weeks when some girl texting on the phone sideswiped me and ran me into a wall.
Well right off the bat that chick should be found and the shit beat out of her. She almost did what most of us want to do. Could this incident be the reason why you look the way you do and always finish last. Just wondering since you always seem to come up with some reason why you don't win or place higher. Nothing beats the falling up the stairs excuse. That one was great
By the way a chiropractor is not comparable to a foot doctor. A chiropractor is a fancy massage therapist. They still can't write prescriptions. But I love them
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oh don't get me started on attorney's. I worked for one for 3 years. He was a solo practioner and I DID it all.
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Most are crooks...wow Rob...they love to run up the tab?? I have met more attorneys that are crooks than chiros. Funny how an x-ray at a chiro is $280...yet that same x-ray at an ER is billed at $700. Hmmmm.....yeah, that sounds crooked for chiros.
Must be a Cheap ass X-Ray because i had a few that ran 15k per and that were normal ones. :o Thank god for insurance!! Grandmother was a surgeon and she always said that they were crooks and they are. >:( I had to see a few but refused treatment because they said that it would be a life long treatment session. I live with 4 Herniated Disc in my back, Neck, Degenerative Disk Disease and Arthritis all throughtout my back but i would never let one of those twinks fuck my back up even worse. ;)
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same as podiatrists.
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Wow, Drugfreeforlife so many people here think highly of your chosen profession. ::) Had a great 2 hour leg workout today, should have joined me so I could school you. Hows that hairline doing? Here is an idea get rid of that rat tail still remaning on your head, looks disgusting.
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Must be a Cheap ass X-Ray because i had a few that ran 15k per and that were normal ones. :o Thank god for insurance!! Grandmother was a surgeon and she always said that they were crooks and they are. >:( I had to see a few but refused treatment because they said that it would be a life long treatment session. I live with 4 Herniated Disc in my back, Neck, Degenerative Disk Disease and Arthritis all throughtout my back but i would never let one of those twinks fuck my back up even worse. ;)
I have Hypoxia right now. The pnuemonia is going away. I am hoping by the end of the week it will be gone. I bought a Humidifier, Muscle Stimulator, Blood Oxygen/Pulse Reader, Nebulizer and the antibiotics. All for this shit. Feel good now but still really short of breath. At least my O2 is up to 90-91%
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I love how chiros likes to make it sound like MD's are the ones constpired and crocks ::)
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I have Hypoxia right now. The pnuemonia is going away. I am hoping by the end of the week it will be gone. I bought a Humidifier, Muscle Stimulator, Blood Oxygen/Pulse Reader, Nebulizer and the antibiotics. All for this shit. Feel good now but still really short of breath. At least my O2 is up to 90-91%
You're a mess. Do you maybe think it has anything to do with you being obese? Might want to cut out the buffets.
*Peoples lack of willpower is sickening!
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chiropractors can relieve stress in your neck.
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Wow, Drugfreeforlife so many people here think highly of your chosen profession. ::) Had a great 2 hour leg workout today, should have joined me so I could school you. Hows that hairline doing? Here is an idea get rid of that rat tail still remaning on your head, looks disgusting.
MJK, be nice, Curt is a super nice man
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MJK, be nice, Curt is a super nice man
I like you better :P
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I like you better :P
I'm an unpleasant bitch but thank you MJK
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I'm a horney unpleasant bitch but thank you MJK
redeming quality
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redeming quality
lmaooooooooo u jackass
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What exactly makes somebody a "real" doctor anyway?
I hear/read this debate quite often.
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Quacks
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Didn't mean to crap on all of them.... sorry. i have had 2 experiences with family members... they were both in auto accidents and lawsuits pending... and both times, the injury was gone and they just kept on insisting on appointments, kept on doing next to nothing, just making sure there was a record for attendance for $$$. I'm sure not all chiros do that... Just the 2 that I knew of.
but like i said, i loved the one i went to, and recommend it. he fixed it in one session.
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if a misadjusted spine affects the liver, as some chiros claim, then why aren't quadriplegics suffering from liver failure?
that's taking things way out of context you blabbering liberal parrot.
the key is finding an honest chiro.
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Chiropractors do more damage than good, trust them and their advice at your peril, ask any orthopedic surgeon, they respect common massage therapists more than Chiropractors.
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You're a mess. Do you maybe think it has anything to do with you being obese? Might want to cut out the buffets.
*Peoples lack of willpower is sickening!
No but I will ask all the skinny people and normal people out there how they got pneumonia and Hypoxia.
Peoples lack of balls and inferiority complex who hide behind computer screens because they are obviously less than average in size and manhood is sickening!
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Chiropractors do more damage than good, trust them and their advice at your peril, ask any orthopedic surgeon, they respect common massage therapists more than Chiropractors.
TRUTH
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I can't stand them. Most are crooks. They love to run up the tab when you're in a lawsuit and they know they're gonna get paid in full. They can do more damage than help.
But, at the same time...
When I had a shoulder issue/strained biceps ligament causing me terrible pain for months, ONE session of active release therapy fixed it. If I got hurt again, i'd find one in my area - www.activerelease.com - Milos was saved by active release therapy just hours before 2x rotator cuff surgery. it's a combo of motrion, massage and electricity at the same time. painful but very effective.
I take issue with ART courses. They teach things that should only should be done by chiropractors however their courses are open to any person licensed with deep tissue treatment such as massage therapist or even an athletic personal trainer for example. I think its a reckless thing to do for people who have not been trained in spinal manipulation.
As far as Chiro's being crooks, a lot of things they charge for are much less than most medical facilities and you never hear people complaining about their chiropractic bill. Each session from mine that I had was 30 dollars and that included 15 minutes on the vibration therapy bed so it was well worth it.
If chiropractors weren't needed, then you wouldn't see them on the sidelines of most professional sports such as the NBA and NFL.
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that's taking things way out of context you blabbering liberal parrot.
the key is finding an honest chiro.
the problem isn't with the people, it's with the theories the profession is based upon. those theories are pseudo-science.
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I have Hypoxia right now. The pnuemonia is going away. I am hoping by the end of the week it will be gone. I bought a Humidifier, Muscle Stimulator, Blood Oxygen/Pulse Reader, Nebulizer and the antibiotics. All for this shit. Feel good now but still really short of breath. At least my O2 is up to 90-91%
Hypoxia is lack of oxygen supply flowing through your blood vessels which is prob because those arteries are being constricted by your tons of whale blubber.
Your O2 may be up but so is your weight. Spend less time on the computer and get your fat ass on a treadmill
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Well right off the bat that chick should be found and the shit beat out of her. She almost did what most of us want to do. Could this incident be the reason why you look the way you do and always finish last. Just wondering since you always seem to come up with some reason why you don't win or place higher. Nothing beats the falling up the stairs excuse. That one was great
By the way a chiropractor is not comparable to a foot doctor. A chiropractor is a fancy massage therapist. They still can't write prescriptions. But I love them
It shows just how big of a retard you are about chiropractors or anything for that matter.... ::)
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I used to think that all chiropractors were hacks and shills and I've even chided Getbiggers who are chiropractors about it but I don't think along those lines anymore. I think the field has its benefits and uses and that it's better to judge on a chiropractor-by-chiropractor basis. Some are actually quite good at what they do while others are complete shit. I guess it depends on their schooling and how qualified they actually are.
That said, I'd venture to say that it's a better job to have than a lot of others out there.
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Must be a Cheap ass X-Ray because i had a few that ran 15k per and that were normal ones. :o Thank god for insurance!! Grandmother was a surgeon and she always said that they were crooks and they are. >:( I had to see a few but refused treatment because they said that it would be a life long treatment session. I live with 4 Herniated Disc in my back, Neck, Degenerative Disk Disease and Arthritis all throughtout my back but i would never let one of those twinks fuck my back up even worse. ;)
you sir are an idiot
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you sir are an idiot
Tell the insurance company that. 8) I thought 15k, for a X-Ray....ok....I thought the same thing but i am not going to fight with them. ;)
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Tell the insurance company that. 8) I thought 15k, for a X-Ray....ok....I thought the same thing but i am not going to fight with them. ;)
an MRI is only 2500-3000 there is no way ever that a plain film x-ray would cost that. Even an old school (non-digital) x-ray machine itself brand new is only 12-15k
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Wow, Drugfreeforlife so many people here think highly of your chosen profession. ::) Had a great 2 hour leg workout today, should have joined me so I could school you. Hows that hairline doing? Here is an idea get rid of that rat tail still remaning on your head, looks disgusting.
Hmm..shall I post the replies of the people who said shit to back me up on the other thread? What are you going to school me on? How you suck so much dick? Why dont you post a pic and school me? Until then...you aint shit. Hope this helps.
P.S. Seriously...the best you can do is my hair? Wow...you got mad owning skills. ::)
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Must be a Cheap ass X-Ray because i had a few that ran 15k per and that were normal ones. :o Thank god for insurance!! Grandmother was a surgeon and she always said that they were crooks and they are. >:( I had to see a few but refused treatment because they said that it would be a life long treatment session. I live with 4 Herniated Disc in my back, Neck, Degenerative Disk Disease and Arthritis all throughtout my back but i would never let one of those twinks fuck my back up even worse. ;)
72070 - Ap and lateral Thoracic....I saw the bill when an insurance company called to negotiate my bill because of a personal injury case.
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the problem isn't with the people, it's with the theories the profession is based upon. those theories are pseudo-science.
Psuedo science? Show me where surgical procedures have studies behind them.....but wait!!! Chiropractic manupulation has research.
Also....in case you guys dont quite know this....if adjusting is so bullshit...why are there osteopaths....which are (*drumroll).......MD's!!!!!!
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http://www.skepdic.com/chiro.html
listed in the same category as all the other snakeoil science http://www.skepdic.com/tialtmed.html
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72070 - Ap and lateral Thoracic....I saw the bill when an insurance company called to negotiate my bill because of a personal injury case.
They have always told me that it costs 15k and more because of the dye and all that other crap i have to take while having MRI'S. :o ::)
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so who should I see instead of a chiro?
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so who should I see instead of a chiro?
A real DR. :D Try a deep tissue Massage. ;)
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They have always told me that it costs 15k and more because of the dye and all that other crap i have to take while having MRI'S. :o ::)
what dye? It is not an x-ray. MRI contrast agents are cheap.
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well I'm getting my first adjustment ever today. This should be interesting
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Someone once told me, "If you're dumb, you can be one!"
But I never took his advice so I don't know any that I can comment on.
But they make lots of money though.
I have a good friend who is dumber than an oyster and his dad said, "Son, I'll pay your "tuition". What do you want to be .... A personal trainer, a masseur, or a chiropractor?"
He smartened up a bit just then so he picked masseur and now he owns a three bedroom home by Jay's, two ski-doos, a speed-boat on Lake Mead, and two Mastiffs. And not even 30 yet!
He may be dumb but he sure ain't smart!
JNN, have you ever considered going to Chiropractor School?
Stunt,
THis is very misleading as if you are employeed by a clinic and or simply working for a large practice then you aren't going to be making much at all. However just like any other private profession- if you are able to GROW yoru practice then you can become successful. Most that are independent and have a small office are just "getting by".
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Chiropractors = woo.
There are some parents that take their children (as young as 4) to see chiropractors ::) Damn stupid. That should be considered child abuse.
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I've had good experiences. Went for ART on pecs. And also to help get fitted for orthotics to compensate for knees that have been shot for years. Helped quite a bit actually. No spinal adjustments or things like that, mind you.
what happened to your pecs?
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Chiropractors = woo.
There are some parents that take their children (as young as 4) to see chiropractors ::) Damn stupid. That should be considered child abuse.
I knew a chiro who specifically targeted children, fuckin criminal! >:(
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worth it, like many said youre not going to fix a problem over night...do your research though b/c like in ALL THINGS some are better than others.
I had chiropractor that was part of the same wrestling club i was in and would give me discounted adjustments and it was very helpful in relieving the discomfort from ribs that got stuck out of place and pinched nerves...
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Chiropractors = woo.
There are some parents that take their children (as young as 4) to see chiropractors ::) Damn stupid. That should be considered child abuse.
the only way to get real actual results with functional scoliosis patients is to start treating them young as children, nothing wrong with that.
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the only way to get real actual results with functional scoliosis patients is to start treating them young as children, nothing wrong with that.
Idiot! You don't perform manipulations on a child who's skeletal structure is not yet fully developed.
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the only way to get real actual results with functional scoliosis patients is to start treating them young as children, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, I am going to have to disagree with this. I don't think anyone should be adjusting a 4 year old's skeletal structure. ::)
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well I'm getting my first adjustment ever today. This should be interesting
How was it, sore today? Did the "Dr" try and talk you into a multi year committment to the program? ::)
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Idiot! You don't perform manipulations on a child who's skeletal structure is not yet fully developed.
And what are you basing this on just a "hunch" you sir are the idiot, look at the research it's there to support manipulation for scoliosis in children the fact that the growth plates aren't closed is why children have such great success in preveting scoliosis problems in the future. FYI there are a lot of techniques used on children and the elderly that are very low force, they are nothing like a typical adjustment. Please research what you are talking about before sounding like an idiot next time..... Hope this helps
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And what are you basing this on just a "hunch" you sir are the idiot, look at the research it's there to support manipulation for scoliosis in children the fact that the growth plates aren't closed is why children have such great success in preveting scoliosis problems in the future. FYI there are a lot of techniques used on children and the elderly that are very low force, they are nothing like a typical adjustment. Please research what you are talking about before sounding like an idiot next time..... Hope this helps
Link me to the peer-reviewed journal articles.
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How was it, sore today? Did the "Dr" try and talk you into a multi year committment to the program? ::)
no I work for a chiro. just started this week Not sore, and no commitment (my adjustments are free), and that is not practiced in the office I work in. FYI, he saw 2 9 year olds yesterday and 12 year old today.
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no I work for a chiro. just started this week Not sore, and no commitment (my adjustments are free), and that is not practiced in the office I work in. FYI, he saw 2 9 year olds yesterday and 12 year old today.
poor kids. :'( Do you really think manipulationg a child is appropriate, would you subject your child to that?
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poor kids. :'( Do you really think manipulationg a child is appropriate, would you subject your child to that?
um not sure who you think who is manipulating who. The parents take the child and they are patients to. I think when my daughter is older, yes I would. If chiros are such bullshit artists like some think, then why are they allowed to practice...let the flood gates open and release the cracken
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http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/children/04/11/chiro.forcolic.wmd/
Experts urge cautious approach with chiropractors treating colic
(WebMD) -- Parents will go a long way just to quiet a colicky baby. The quest often starts with a baby swing, progresses to 3 a.m. drives around the neighborhood and ends in a pediatrician's office, where parents get condolences and little else.
But desperate moms and dads don't have to stop there. Although pediatricians may be baffled by colic, it's still fairly easy to find a doctor who believes the cure is at hand. Just look in the phone book under "Chiropractor."
"I've helped hundreds of babies with colic," says Maxine McMullen, D.C., a chiropractor in Davenport, Iowa, and president of the International Chiropractic Association's Pediatric Council. "Every one of them simply needed a spinal adjustment."
Given McMullen's specialty, her remedy isn't surprising. But is it really a good idea to put a tiny body in the hands of a chiropractor? Gentle adjustments do seem to be safe, and a new study suggests they really can help ease the symptoms of colic. What concerns skeptics is that not all pediatric chiropractors limit themselves to such mild techniques, and some may offer questionable advice. So any parent considering chiropractic for a baby should use extreme caution.
A credibility boost
Pediatric chiropractors have long been dismissed by mainstream doctors. Their credibility rose a bit with the publication of a study in the October 1999 issue of the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics. Researchers at the University of Southern Denmark reported that colicky babies who underwent spinal adjustments cried far less than those who received dimethicone drops, the standard (and generally ineffective) treatment.
The manipulation was nothing like the forceful shoves sometimes given to adult backs. Instead, chiropractors applied light pressure to the spine with their fingertips. Twenty-five randomly selected colicky infants received three to five of these treatments over two weeks.
By the end of the treatment period, diaries kept by parents showed that the babies shortened their daily crying episodes by three hours. In contrast, the crying of 20 infants taking dimethicone decreased by only one hour.
In a previous study, published in the journal's August 1989 issue, researchers tried the same technique on 316 colicky babies and found that their crying soon diminished. For the 1989 study, however, they did not look at a group of babies not treated with chiropractic.
Babies with back pain?
Doctors have spent decades trying to connect colic to digestive problems, but Niels Nilsson, D.C., M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor of clinical biomechanics and co-author of the study, believes the real trouble lies in the spine and back muscles.
"For all we know, those infants may suffer from back pain," Nilsson says. Infants don't do much heavy lifting, but they could easily strain their backs while being born, he says.
Back pain or no, colicky infants probably find comfort in the touch of a hand -- whether that of a chiropractor, massage therapist or concerned parent, says Samuel Homola, D.C., a Florida chiropractor who practiced for 43 years before retiring in 1998. Furthermore, gently pressing the spine is probably safe at any age, he says.
Questions about safety
Unfortunately, not all chiropractors work with a light touch. Many practitioners (including McMullen) routinely adjust the necks of infants, while others apply enough force to the spine to produce the popping sound familiar to adult patients. In youngsters with still-developing bones, such techniques could invite serious injury, says Homola, author of Inside Chiropractic: A Patient's Guide.
"I would never take a baby or a young child to a chiropractor," he says. "There's no good reason to do it, and there may be some risk."
The dangers go beyond potential damage to growing bones. Pediatric chiropractors often cling to concepts from the far fringes of medicine, Homola says. For instance, many tell parents that spinal manipulations should take the place of vaccines. And despite a shortage of evidence, chiropractors often claim to be able to cure ear infections, asthma, attention deficit disorder and a host of other childhood illnesses, he says.
The American Academy of Pediatrics declined to comment on the subject, but Victor Turow, M.D., a pediatrician at North Shore University Hospital in Great Neck, New York, adds another warning to those of Homola: Chiropractors are rarely qualified to diagnose a baby's ailment. A baby who cries inconsolably may have colic, or he may have constipation, acid reflux or a milk allergy, he says.
Proceed with caution
For sleep-deprived parents willing to give chiropractic a chance, Turow offers this advice: Take your baby to a pediatrician first to rule out any hidden disorders. If the doctor diagnoses colic, ask him or her to recommend a reputable chiropractor. And when you visit the chiropractor, insist that your baby's neck is off-limits.
There is another option. All colicky babies eventually stop wailing on their own, usually around their third month, Turow says. So if parents don't want to entrust their infants to a chiropractor, they could always try the only sure-fire remedy: time.
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Link me to the peer-reviewed journal articles.
If I actually thought u were interested I would but most people on here don't care so I won't, but if ur actually interested pm me and I'll be glad to send you some
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um not sure who you think who is manipulating adjusting who. The parents take the child and they are patients to. I think when my daughter is older, yes I would. If chiros are such bullshit artists like some think, then why are they allowed to practice...let the flood gates open and release the cracken
I don't know why they are allowed to practice but I hope the AMA puts them out of business soon.
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Can't find the peer editors on this article I'm on my
phone but rest assured it was a bunch of
md's that are uneducated as to what chiropractor do, it's not their fault that they don't know, just like a cardiologist would peer review a case study on lower gi tumorhttp://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/children/04/11/chiro.forcolic.wmd/
Experts urge cautious approach with chiropractors treating colic
(WebMD) -- Parents will go a long way just to quiet a colicky baby. The quest often starts with a baby swing, progresses to 3 a.m. drives around the neighborhood and ends in a pediatrician's office, where parents get condolences and little else.
But desperate moms and dads don't have to stop there. Although pediatricians may be baffled by colic, it's still fairly easy to find a doctor who believes the cure is at hand. Just look in the phone book under "Chiropractor."
"I've helped hundreds of babies with colic," says Maxine McMullen, D.C., a chiropractor in Davenport, Iowa, and president of the International Chiropractic Association's Pediatric Council. "Every one of them simply needed a spinal adjustment."
Given McMullen's specialty, her remedy isn't surprising. But is it really a good idea to put a tiny body in the hands of a chiropractor? Gentle adjustments do seem to be safe, and a new study suggests they really can help ease the symptoms of colic. What concerns skeptics is that not all pediatric chiropractors limit themselves to such mild techniques, and some may offer questionable advice. So any parent considering chiropractic for a baby should use extreme caution.
A credibility boost
Pediatric chiropractors have long been dismissed by mainstream doctors. Their credibility rose a bit with the publication of a study in the October 1999 issue of the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics. Researchers at the University of Southern Denmark reported that colicky babies who underwent spinal adjustments cried far less than those who received dimethicone drops, the standard (and generally ineffective) treatment.
The manipulation was nothing like the forceful shoves sometimes given to adult backs. Instead, chiropractors applied light pressure to the spine with their fingertips. Twenty-five randomly selected colicky infants received three to five of these treatments over two weeks.
By the end of the treatment period, diaries kept by parents showed that the babies shortened their daily crying episodes by three hours. In contrast, the crying of 20 infants taking dimethicone decreased by only one hour.
In a previous study, published in the journal's August 1989 issue, researchers tried the same technique on 316 colicky babies and found that their crying soon diminished. For the 1989 study, however, they did not look at a group of babies not treated with chiropractic.
Babies with back pain?
Doctors have spent decades trying to connect colic to digestive problems, but Niels Nilsson, D.C., M.D., Ph.D., an associate professor of clinical biomechanics and co-author of the study, believes the real trouble lies in the spine and back muscles.
"For all we know, those infants may suffer from back pain," Nilsson says. Infants don't do much heavy lifting, but they could easily strain their backs while being born, he says.
Back pain or no, colicky infants probably find comfort in the touch of a hand -- whether that of a chiropractor, massage therapist or concerned parent, says Samuel Homola, D.C., a Florida chiropractor who practiced for 43 years before retiring in 1998. Furthermore, gently pressing the spine is probably safe at any age, he says.
Questions about safety
Unfortunately, not all chiropractors work with a light touch. Many practitioners (including McMullen) routinely adjust the necks of infants, while others apply enough force to the spine to produce the popping sound familiar to adult patients. In youngsters with still-developing bones, such techniques could invite serious injury, says Homola, author of Inside Chiropractic: A Patient's Guide.
"I would never take a baby or a young child to a chiropractor," he says. "There's no good reason to do it, and there may be some risk."
The dangers go beyond potential damage to growing bones. Pediatric chiropractors often cling to concepts from the far fringes of medicine, Homola says. For instance, many tell parents that spinal manipulations should take the place of vaccines. And despite a shortage of evidence, chiropractors often claim to be able to cure ear infections, asthma, attention deficit disorder and a host of other childhood illnesses, he says.
The American Academy of Pediatrics declined to comment on the subject, but Victor Turow, M.D., a pediatrician at North Shore University Hospital in Great Neck, New York, adds another warning to those of Homola: Chiropractors are rarely qualified to diagnose a baby's ailment. A baby who cries inconsolably may have colic, or he may have constipation, acid reflux or a milk allergy, he says.
Proceed with caution
For sleep-deprived parents willing to give chiropractic a chance, Turow offers this advice: Take your baby to a pediatrician first to rule out any hidden disorders. If the doctor diagnoses colic, ask him or her to recommend a reputable chiropractor. And when you visit the chiropractor, insist that your baby's neck is off-limits.
There is another option. All colicky babies eventually stop wailing on their own, usually around their third month, Turow says. So if parents don't want to entrust their infants to a chiropractor, they could always try the only sure-fire remedy: time.
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If I actually thought u were interested I would but most people on here don't care so I won't, but if ur actually interested pm me and I'll be glad to send you some
says the wannbe chiropractor charlatan.
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says the wannbe chiropractor charlatan.
Make sure your "attorney wife" gets you a new keyboard....you are getting so bent out of shape on this you are liable to break your keyboard. You are melting down so much.
Out of curiosity...what awesome career path have you chosen if not fry cook? No bullshitting around...back up your talk tiny tit! ::)
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Make sure your "attorney wife" gets you a new keyboard....you are getting so bent out of shape on this you are liable to break your keyboard. You are melting down so much.
Out of curiosity...what awesome career path have you chosen if not fry cook? No bullshitting around...back up your talk tiny tit! ::)
Federal Government, yes I could wreck your entire existence.
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I have used a chiropractor before and I think they are great.
A while ago I had some pain around my heart so I went to a regular doctor to get checked out. However the doctors found nothing wrong.
So a friend said maybe I should check out a chiropractor. Turned out my spine was pretty misaligned due to my work (office job) and there were some nerves being pinched.
I had a few adjustments done, pain was gone. What was crazy though there was this one adjustment my doctor did that F*$*$* hurt like hell for like a split second (worst pain ever), but then after all the pain was gone. So I'm a believer for sure.
True story.
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I have used a chiropractor before and I think they are great.
A while ago I had some pain around my heart so I went to a regular doctor to get checked out. However the doctors found nothing wrong.
So a friend said maybe I should check out a chiropractor. Turned out my spine was pretty misaligned due to my work (office job) and there were some nerves being pinched.
I had a few adjustments done, pain was gone. What was crazy though there was this one adjustment my doctor did that F*$*$* hurt like hell for like a split second (worst pain ever), but then after all the pain was gone. So I'm a believer for sure.
True story.
ribs that come out are notorious for referring pain around the front and at the right level can be confused with heart pain. And those rib adjustments can really really hurt
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Federal Government, yes I could wreck your entire existence.
Ahh....toll booth employee. Congrats!!!! ::) Try again. You = failure.
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Ahh....toll booth employee. Congrats!!!! ::) Try again. You = failure.
Toll booth employees are State workers, IDIOT!
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Federal Government, yes I could wreck your entire existence.
Threatening to wreck my existence....wow...meltd own and a half....
Threatening someone online....wow....someone has insecurity issues....
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Threatening to wreck my existence....wow...meltd own and a half....
Threatening someone online....wow....someone has insecurity issues....
Scared
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Scared
What are you going to do to me? Make fun of my hair? HA HA HA.....
Your rage is obvious....I am so in your head that you are resorting to threats....
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What are you going to do to me? Make fun of my hair? HA HA HA.....
Your rage is obvious....I am so in your head that you are resorting to threats....
Quiet night at home tonight? Does your cat greet you at the door when you come home? Do you curl up with that nasty cat as you drift off then wake up to another day of a meaningless existence. Was it because you have a micropenis that no woman wanted to be with you? After expenses do you break 50K a year from your measly practice? Must suck to be you a, severly balding, gay loser, who is 40 and only has a cat to come home to. Quite sad.
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Quiet night at home tonight? Does your cat greet you at the door when you come home? Do you curl up with that nasty cat as you drift off then wake up to another day of a meaningless existence. Was it because you have a micropenis that no woman wanted to be with you? After expenses do you break 50K a year from your measly practice? Must suck to be you a, severly balding, gay loser, who is 40 and only has a cat to come home to. Quite sad.
Wow....how sad it is to have this "lovely classy beautiful attorney wife" at home and instead of spending time with her you choose to meltdown on GetBig....classic...
Keep it coming....keep hitting the refresh button.....not too hard, you dont want to make your wife mad so she has to do a double team tomorrow to buy you another mouse. ;D
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well just had my first adjustment..mannnnnnnnnn nnn feel brand new...I guess Im a mess lol..shoulders off, joints in my neck...mind you I was not in any pain at all before my adjustment but omg feel like a new person
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i have my third and fourth ribs out of subluxed posteriorly, and did some anterior thoracics on them and after about 6-8 adjustments with proper muscle training, stretching i dont have pain when i do lat spreads, anteriorly flex etc..
Can they cure asthma, help with colic no, if you have actual issues they can definitely help. Not sure what the argument is, without the proper soft tissue work as well its just a temporary fix.
I had winged scapula as a kid and hypermobile ligaments/tendons so i find alot of benefit from them. I also know how to do adjustments, but claiming it cures asthma and all that shit is beyond retarded.
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I like mine. She gives me a handjob every time. I think she loves me long time.
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I like mine. She gives me a handjob every time. I think she loves me long time.
Does she work out of a van?
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Does she work out of a van?
Corner of Spruce and Vine.
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how do I find a good deep tissue masseuse NO HOMO
I'm also looking for some professional to give me an opinion of my imbalances. My left side feels fucked. I'm thinking I need to see a podiatrist as well.
not sure if I'm being a hypochondriac or there are things that need to be sorted out.
cheers 8)
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Well, it is quite sad to tell you about it, but I have to do it. You know, there is a difference between health care in USA and the health care of rest of the world. Further more, it is a QUITE BIG DIFFERENCE. In USA it is all about money, and in the most parts of the world, it is all about the health. You have good doctors and chiropractors, there is no doubt about that. So have us. In USA you pay all of it, and just about every where else state pays a part of your treatment. What it means is that in USA it is quite good income which is open for everybody who are skillful enough to counterfeit some diploma on his wall, but in the rest of the world it isn't so easy. You need a certificates etc. to show and permission to you practice your work. That's why even a chiropractors are real professionals and there isn't any risk to use their services. That's why they has helped me many times, fix my dislocated vertebra etc. Nothing bad to say about them, but in the USA? There is no way in hell to get me going in their practice.
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how do I find a good deep tissue masseuse NO HOMO
I'm also looking for some professional to give me an opinion of my imbalances. My left side feels fucked. I'm thinking I need to see a podiatrist as well.
not sure if I'm being a hypochondriac or there are things that need to be sorted out.
cheers 8)
MB, I bet you have the imbalances. When I got my exam I had no idea and once he showed me, I saw it. I got adjusted the first time a few weeks ago and let me tell ya, amazing. Better workouts too. Every tuesday the chiropractor I work for adjuts the 3 of us that work for him. Last week he was on vacation and the lady chiro filling in for him gave me 2 adjustments. Man its feels great.