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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: ToxicAvenger on April 03, 2010, 01:01:00 PM
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Because American says so? To say that one country is better than another is juvenile.
But the man is on the right track. Happiness comes from appreciation of things. BUT, not only of material things.
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But the man is on the right track. Happiness comes from appreciation of things. BUT, not only of material things.
Mark Levin is a genius...or i think so...
the point he is trying to make is that this greatness comes from appreciation of free market and capitalism...
NOT SOCIALISM
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Mark Levin is a genius...or i think so...
the point he is trying to make is that this greatness comes from appreciation of free market and capitalism...
NOT SOCIALISM
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tout that capitalism is the greatest thing are the ones with nothing to their name but delusional dreams and a perpetual existence in lower middle class all for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep wishing for the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tour that capitalism is the greatest thing always are the ones with nothing and for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep believing in the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
you cannot stay away can you
lol
jezebelle
You must be quite the fruitcake in real life
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I thought that technology and creative minds are responsible for all these advances that make our life easier. ::)
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you cannot stay away can you
lol
jezebelle
You must be quite the fruitcake in real life
sevastate are you saying that "jezebelle" is a man ???
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sevastate are you saying that "jezebelle" is a man ???
Only TA's ass knows for sure...literally.
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sevastate are you saying that "jezebelle" is a man ???
the dude typing behind that account is apenis
poor girl whomever she is would crept out to find out he uses her image on an all male forum
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
i'm kinda on my way already to being rich! you keep on complaining.... ::)
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I thought that technology and creative minds are responsible for all these advances that make our life easier. ::)
and HARD work and a BIG pay of as an intensive ;)
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tout that capitalism is the greatest thing are the ones with nothing to their name but delusional dreams and a perpetual existence in lower middle class all for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep wishing for the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
At least the ones in the USA who tout that capitalism is the greatest thing stay in the USA.
Compare this to the socialists who praise socialism but will never move to a more socialistic nation.
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America is not the greatest nation on the planet.
Let's see...... the US Government is a totally crooked big brother governement, it's a very violent country, in most states the laws and rules are incredibly strict, the economics are designed to fuck over the poor and create a slave-class out of them, throughout much of the USA there's an ingnorant and bonehead culture of morons, opportunities to make big money are not plentiful anymore, the people are often fairly cold and withdrawn wth a "leave me alone" kind of attitude......
Most people who say America is the greatest country on Earth are not well traveled. They're just local yocals and all they know is the US.
Why exactly is the US the best country?
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Compare this to the socialists who praise socialism but will never move to a more socialistic nation.
exactly! people from America are just flocking to china , North korea and cuba ::)
thats why cuba , china and north korea have given us the BEST in medicine and all kindsa technology that makes life easier
Liberals are nothing more than govt sanctioned beggars wanting a hand out from smarter harder working people
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Most people who say America is the greatest country on Earth are not well traveled. They're just local yocals and all they know is the US.
i'm very well travelled...and the US beats 99% of the world hands down
Why exactly is the US the best country?
because if we decided to tomorrow we could take over what eva shithole ya live in ;D
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american psycho
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i'm very well travelled...and the US beats 99% of the world hands down
because if we decided to tomorrow we could take over what eva shithole ya live in ;D
So you think the US is best just because it has a strong military?
North Korea has a very strong military and nukes too, maybe you'd love living there. Or maybe you should live in Russia, they are pretty powerful.
Seriously, what makes the USA best? I think society in the USA is dysfuctional and has tons of problems.
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Seriously, what makes the USA best? I think society in the USA is dysfuctional and has tons of problems.
we developed the MRI machine...think of the lives saved
we developed the LIGHT BULB...your ass woulda been sitting in the dark right now
we developed the small pox vaccine
best damn healthcare on the planet (until now)
we were first on the moon
we were first to develop nukes
we were first to develop stealth
here are more intentions i just googled
phonograph
telephone
radio
television
airplanes
computer
telegraph
sewing machine
artificial heart
bifocals
cotton gin
refridgerator
coffee pot
revolver
safety pin
oil well,
water tower
repeating rifle
roller skates
typewritter
blue jeans
Coca-cola
camera
ALL AMERICAN...your life would be shit or you woulda died of small pox had it not been for USA!
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and o yeah...this is close to home for me cause i work in the fieldThe Internet was originally developed by DARPA - the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency...just saying
thousands upon thousands lives would have been lost if not for the internets ability to share medical research and other knowlodge...
no more googling on your phone..
and your ass wouldn't be on getbig posting
on that note AMERICA GAVE YOU GETBIG :-*
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we developed the MRI machine...think of the lives saved
we developed the LIGHT BULB...your ass woulda been sitting in the dark right now
we developed the small pox vaccine
best damn healthcare on the planet (until now)
we were first on the moon
we were first to develop nukes
we were first to develop stealth
here are more intentions i just googled
phonograph
telephone
radio
television
airplanes
computer
telegraph
sewing machine
artificial heart
bifocals
cotton gin
refridgerator
coffee pot
revolver
safety pin
oil well,
water tower
repeating rifle
roller skates
typewritter
blue jeans
Coca-cola
camera
ALL AMERICAN...your life would be shit or you woulda died of small pox had it not been for USA!
I don't care what the USA has invented in the past. I care about how it is NOW, and what kind of quality of life there is over there right now. And when you talk about how it is right now in the USA, it's difficult to put a happy spin on it because it's just fucked.
If I go back to the USA right now, the fact that the USA put a man on the moon or invented jeans isn't going to make me live an amazing life over there.
Also China has invented a TON of things, maybe you should move there?
The USA's golden age is coming to an end fast in case you havn't noticed. The USA had it's ear of luck and prosperity, but empires always rise and fall.
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Is there another country in the world where an average citizen or immigrant has so much opportunity?
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Is there another country in the world where an average citizen or immigrant has so much opportunity?
There is. That's the point. Most of this "America is the land of opportunity" and "America is the best" stuff is bullshit. Maybe it was true 30 years ago but not really anymore.
I started making lots of money by getting the fuck out of America and seeking opportunites overseas.....
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The USA's golden age is coming to an end fast in case you havn't noticed. The USA had it's ear of luck and prosperity, but empires always rise and fall.
where r you from again Mr big talk? as for NOW? r you asking me what the US has invented in the past yr or the past 3 decades? cause in the recent now i AM SURE a quick google will yeild tonnes of life saving medicine invented here in the USA.
and WHAT has CHINA INVENTED? name a few ok
also while you r at it...state your country and what it has invented
thanx
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where r you from again Mr big talk? as for NOW? r you asking me what the US has invented in the past yr or the past 3 decades? cause in the recent now i AM SURE a quick google will yeild tonnes of life saving medicine invented here in the USA.
and WHAT has CHINA INVENTED? name a few ok
also while you r at it...state your country and what it has invented
thanx
Why are you so hung up on inventions? Who cares? I'm concerned about quality of life and what is happening right now. Not a pissing contest about who invented something 150 years ago.
Seems like you are just talking about this nonsense beause yu dont want to talk about hat's happening in the USA right now.
Just google China's inventions, they have invented more than the USA in the long run. Speaking of medicine, take a look into Chinese Medicine.
I am an American, but i've been travelling the world, making cash and big pimpin. Watching the USA crumble from afar.
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Why are you so hung up on inventions? Who cares? I'm concerned about quality of life and what is happening right now. Not a pissing contest about who invented something 150 years ago.
you asked me why this is a great country....Americas inventions MADE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE...i checked up on chinese inventions...they made paper making...gunpowder...aaa and what else of use? do tell..list a few importing world changing ones
Seems like you are just talking about this nonsense beause yu dont want to talk about hat's happening in the USA right now.
well we have elected an idiot president....YET we r the most dominant nation on the planet...you keep saying we r on the way down...well hunnypuss...on a way down from a billion STILL leave us with wiggle room for millions above other nations! 8)
Just google China's inventions, they have invented more than the USA in the long run. Speaking of medicine, take a look into Chinese Medicine.
chinese medicine??? pffft...like acupuncture ever helped someone with cancer...lol..idiot
I am an American,
NO you r not....dont delude yourself
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you asked me why this is a great country....Americas inventions MADE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE...i checked up on chinese inventions...they made paper making...gunpowder...aaa and what else of use? do tell..list a few importing world changing ones well we have elected an idiot president....YET we r the most dominant nation on the planet...you keep saying we r on the way down...well hunnypuss...on a way down from a billion STILL leave us with wiggle room for millions above other nations! 8)
chinese medicine??? pffft...like acupuncture ever helped someone with cancer...lol..idiot NO you r not....dont delude yourself
You are obviously an idiot who rehashes the words of the mainstream media's conservative pundits.
You are a total fucking idiot if you think that Obama is the one who is bringing down America in his short time in the White House. America's downfall started decades ago. George W. Bush's administration was the one that really brought the USA deep into the shits.
But you are obviously a cheerleader for the right wing, so I already know what you're going to say next. That Liberal vs. Conservative game is for dipshits, it's for simple minded people to be distracted, and apparently it's working.
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You are obviously an idiot who rehashes the words of the mainstream media's conservative pundits.
i admit freely that i am an American yet you are too ashamed to tell us what country you live in
and I AM the idiot?
simple question...what country do you live in?
if you brag about this so called great country you live in...tell us..which one?
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The USA has done more good for the world than any other nation.
And to the self-hating Americans - good for you! You do realize that everyone in the world including almost all Canadians want to see you fall right? Are you really so stupid as to support what could lead to the destruction of your nation? The entire ungrateful world hates the USA! I await the day when you are invaded by people will hate you and THEN when no one is there to protect you, you will wish the US military was there to save you. Self-hating fucking fools.
By the way, Canadians are keen to bash the USA but have no problems at all using American technology. ::) Ungrateful pricks.
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they made paper making...gunpowder...
Roger Bacon mastered gunpowder I think... Paper making was mastered in Ohio... Fuck the Chinese...
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we developed the MRI machine...think of the lives saved
we developed the LIGHT BULB...your ass woulda been sitting in the dark right now
we developed the small pox vaccine
best damn healthcare on the planet (until now)
we were first on the moon
we were first to develop nukes
we were first to develop stealth
here are more intentions i just googled
phonograph
telephone
radio
television
airplanes
computer
telegraph
sewing machine
artificial heart
bifocals
cotton gin
refridgerator
coffee pot
revolver
safety pin
oil well,
water tower
repeating rifle
roller skates
typewritter
blue jeans
Coca-cola
camera
ALL AMERICAN...your life would be shit or you woulda died of small pox had it not been for USA!
On October 23, 1906 Santos Dumont flew his 14-bis before a large crowd of witnesses. He flew a distance of 60 meters (200 ft) at a height of two to three meters (10 ft). Dumont's flight was different from the Wright brothers' because the 14-bis aircraft took off & landed on its own wheel. The Wright brothers had used a rail to take off.
My personal opinion is that the plane was created by many people around the world , was just a matter of time who complete their project first.
Here Google this. "Democracy" do you have it?
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you cannot stay away can you
lol
jezebelle
You must be quite the fruitcake in real life
Sev...you do know that's actually TA...Jezz knows when to keep it down a notch, and TA couldn't resist to chime in on this topic.
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The Wright Flyer (often retrospectively referred to as Flyer I, 1903 Flyer and occasionally Kitty Hawk) was the first powered aircraft designed and built by the Wright brothers. They flew it four times on December 17, 1903 near the Kill Devil Hills, about four miles south of Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, U.S.
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Here Google this. "Democracy" do you have it?
you wouldn't be able to google ..unless for America...google is an AMERICAN company ;)
as for democracy...that is an ideal...like platos forms...we r closest to it
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you wouldn't be able to google ..unless for America...google is an AMERICAN company ;)
as for democracy...that is an ideal...like platos forms...we r closest to it
booom haha
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The USA has done more good for the world than any other nation.
And to the self-hating Americans - good for you! Ungrateful pricks.
Americans that hate America should be stripped of their citizenships...
i mean if u hate this country so much ...why bother keeping its citizenship right?
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and HARD work and a BIG pay of as an intensive ;)
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you wouldn't be able to google ..unless for America...google is an AMERICAN company ;)
as for democracy...that is an ideal...like platos forms...we r closest to it
How could i forget, Al Gore "invented the internet" lol ;)
Btw ancient Greek democracy has very few things in common with what we call "democracy" today
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How could i forget, Al Gore "invented the internet" lol ;)
Actually it was the US military.
(http://www.registan.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/photo-soldiers-firebase.jpg)
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How could i forget, Al Gore "invented the internet" lol ;)
Btw ancient Greek democracy has very few things in common with what we call "democracy" today
...yeah yeah...i cant type..or spell for that matter...
your name sounds greek....shouldn't you be at church right now watching some greek chick burn her hair on the holy candle? ;D
my girl is greek ...
and the internet ws DARPA...then ARPA...hell i'll google this...
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The Wright Flyer (often retrospectively referred to as Flyer I, 1903 Flyer and occasionally Kitty Hawk) was the first powered aircraft designed and built by the Wright brothers. They flew it four times on December 17, 1903 near the Kill Devil Hills, about four miles south of Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, U.S.
I know the dates.
Santos Dumont just made it perfect for you to use.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet#History Main article: History of the Internet
The USSR's launch of Sputnik spurred the United States to create the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA or DARPA) in February 1958 to regain a technological lead.[2][3] ARPA created the Information Processing Technology Office (IPTO) to further the research of the Semi Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) program, which had networked country-wide radar systems together for the first time. The IPTO's purpose was to find ways to address the US Military's concern about survivability of their communications networks, and as a first step interconnect their computers at the Pentagon, Cheyenne Mountain, and SAC HQ. J. C. R. Licklider, a promoter of universal networking, was selected to head the IPTO. Licklider moved from the Psycho-Acoustic Laboratory at Harvard University to MIT in 1950, after becoming interested in information technology. At MIT, he served on a committee that established Lincoln Laboratory and worked on the SAGE project. In 1957 he became a Vice President at BBN, where he bought the first production PDP-1 computer and conducted the first public demonstration of time-sharing.
..click article to read more...i aint copy n pasting the whole damn thing
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I know the dates.
Santos Dumont just made it perfect for you to use.
No, Boeing did...
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/air-force-one-1.jpg)
:D
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you wouldn't be able to google ..unless for America...google is an AMERICAN company ;)
as for democracy...that is an ideal...like platos forms...we r closest to it
You wouldn't be able to do shit if wasn't for the French and British people.
Should we call them the greatest?
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I'm not hating America when I say this, but fuck military, fuck inventions, fuck wealth, what makes country great is the people inside. And I'm happy to announce that my country, Finland, has the motherfucking worst people living on this goddamn planet. :D
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No, Boeing did...
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/air-force-one-1.jpg)
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Dumont's flight was different from the Wright brothers' because the 14-bis aircraft took off & landed on its own wheel. The Wright brothers had used a rail to take off.
If you say so.
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You wouldn't be able to do shit if wasn't for the French and British people.
Should we call them the greatest?
what did they do again?...o yeah...the french gave us wine and the brits gave us Oscar Wilde..ok..not bad...o wait...wasn't Wilde a scotts man? ok of recent memory....the english did give us the CAT scan...if i remember right...and i never said they aren't good countries...just that America is the best! :)
and what country r you from again?
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How could i forget, Al Gore "invented the internet" lol ;)
Al Gore also helped mainstream global warming....and is making an absolute killing off of it.
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what makes country great is the people inside.
well Tibet just made it by your postulates...but better not get the flu there...liable to end up dead...
and get used to cleaning yer ass with stones...and eating barely edible food
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what did they do again?...o yeah...the french gave us wine and the brits gave us Oscar Wilde..ok..not bad...o wait...wasn't Wilde a scotts man? ok of recent memory....the english did give us the CAT scan...if i remember right...and i never said they aren't good countries...just that America is the best! :)
and what country r you from again?
The French gave you your independence.
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The French gave you your independence.
and then been sitting on their asses ever since no?
and letting us save thir asses a multitude of times
once again...r you french? what country? why be elusive about your country?
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...yeah yeah...i cant type..or spell for that matter...
your name sounds greek....shouldn't you be at church right now watching some greek chick burn her hair on the holy candle? ;D
my girl is greek ...
and the internet ws DARPA...then ARPA...hell i'll google this...
The name is a compliation of 3 words written in a weird way, it's not even Greek (and not all Greek names end in "-os") lol
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well Tibet just made it by your postulates...but better not get the flu there...liable to end up dead...
and get used to cleaning yer ass with stones...and eating barely edible food
Nice simplifications. Yeah, you die of flu everywhere else but in US. ::)
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Nice simplifications. Yeah, you die of flu everywhere else but in US. ::)
i bet flu shots up in the monasteries r a dime a dozen :-\ and life expectancy is off the charts ::)
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i bet flu shots up in the monasteries r a dime a dozen :-\ and life expectancy is off the charts ::)
I would be glad to live to 50 in a place I can call home than live to be a 100 in a shitty hellhole.
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and then been sitting on their asses ever since no?
and letting us save thir asses a multitude of times
once again...r you french? what country? why be elusive about your country?
Giving you your independence is not a big deal. Countries can do that all the time, every day.
That's why they are sitting on their asses.
Everybody here knows that I'm Brazilian. yes you can say that we are a poor.
But...how can you be the greatest if you live in a cage?
Not hating, just asking.
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Everybody here knows that I'm Brazilian. yes you can say that we are a poor.
o gawd... i'll let aesop deal with this
One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour."
It is easy to despise what you cannot get.
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I would be glad to live to 50 in a place I can call home than live to be a 100 in a shitty hellhole.
I ws born in Pakistan.
America feels like home :) and i will hopefully get to live to a ripe old age at home....
sure beats dying early at home
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o gawd... i'll let aesop deal with this
One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour."
It is easy to despise what you cannot get.
That would be hating, and I'm not.
You still didn't answer my question.
The country has money. but their citizen's don't have freedom or democracy.
Ok.
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Here is another of her :D
(http://braexplosion.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/big-tits-blonde-milf-in-micro-thong-g-string-bikini-2.jpg)
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I have spent considerable time living in London and New York for last couple of years and i have to say it is true that this is the dying days of a once great Country.
Post 9-11 and patriot act and all other aggressive regulations being pursued it has made it very difficult to conduct international business in the US. The Country although possesses many extremely smart people (especially in Manhattan) is driven by greed and cronyism.
I agree USA will still be great for some time yet but its only a matter of time before the developing hungrier nations close the gap still further.
My observations on a grass roots level and comparisons on human actions from people in NY is one of either extremely smart or incredibly dumb. Apart from Manhattan the other boroughs are full of rude retarded ignorant immigrants. Some of the smartest people i have ever met are from Manhattan and were usually white male bankers or Indian Americans. However, most of these people are basically using these smarts to fleece the general public instead of using their smarts to produce something useful.
I think America as well as most of the West is on the verge of being taken over by Asia. Mark my words - the strongest nations in the world in 50 years time will be in Asia.
America is fat and bloated, morally corrupt and the people sidetracked and stupified by current affairs, moronic media and sporting pastimes oblivious to what is really going on about them. It reminds me of stories about the dying days of Rome when the people were shown extravagant displays of sports at the Colosseum to keep their attention from focusing on the horrible situation they were living in. The parallel between the collapse of great societies in the past and USA now is striking. And before any of the patriot Americans come on here to argue against my point, please remember i also do business in the US as well and i would love for things to turn around here more than you know, but history always repeats itself and 'this time is never different'.
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The country has money. but their citizen's don't have freedom or democracy.
Ok.
I don't understand? Please explain? ???
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The country has money. but their citizen's don't have freedom or democracy.
Ok.
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we DO have freedom and democracy....
brazil has freedom? freedom like going for a jog at 3 am in the morning? i do it in my neighborhood while studying late nite all the time
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we DO have freedom and democracy....
brazil has freedom? freedom like going for a jog at 3 am in the morning? i do it in my neighborhood while studying late nite all the time
Do you have the freedom to use Steroids and smoke a joint with no hassle from the cops?
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Can you legally drive on the streets without being FORCED to by a product from the PRIVATE Sector?
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Freedom and Democracy in the United States. Don`t make me fucknign laugh.
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Do you have the freedom to use Steroids and smoke a joint with no hassle from the cops?
If a majority of Americans supported legalizing steroids and marijuana (I do) we would have that freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature
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australia is the place to be.......we are relaxed, crime rate ios in check and the majority of people are civil 2 each other, our government is in check with no major agendas, and oppurtunities are everywhere, health care is outstanding, things for the most part are in order, i swap between europe ( greece) and sydney, let me tell ya , when i come back 2 sydney u understand the need for an unsleazy form of government. with all this , one thing is constant, if it wasnt for the worlds protector for the last 70 yrs (america) we would not be able to have the things we have,
example 1 of many- ya hear people say ,"ah fuck the police their l pricks and fuck this and fuck that playin' it all tough and shit , yet remove the cops and see what life is really like without order and protection.
same example, remove america for the last 50 - 60 yrs and you will see what life would be like, like living in soviet block country in the 50's 60's or under the protection (control) of any country for that matter other than america.
it pisses me off that when a catastrophe hits somewhere in the world these same american hating fucks call america for aid and rebuild, get the fuck outta here you gronks.........
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Can you legally drive on the streets without being FORCED to by a product from the PRIVATE Sector?
What product?
Don't get me wrong, there's no such thing as enough freedom and I agree that our freedoms are being chewed away more and more... >:(
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brazil has freedom? freedom like going for a jog at 3 am in the morning? i do it in my neighborhood while studying late nite all the time
Brazilians (and many other countries )have more freedom than Americans , don't be ignorant.
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If a majority of Americans supported legalizing steroids and marijuana (I do) we would have that freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature
No you wouldn`t.
The Majority of Americans want a lot of things but they don`t get it nor will they ever.
Government does not function on the will of the people.
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tout that capitalism is the greatest thing are the ones with nothing to their name but delusional dreams and a perpetual existence in lower middle class all for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep wishing for the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
haha, school failed you.
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No you wouldn`t.
The Majority of Americans want a lot of things but they don`t get it nor will they ever.
Government does not function on the will of the people.
People might be too lazy, and ignorant to elect good representatives. Many people vote for the guy with the best ads, ect...
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What product?
Don't get me wrong, there's no such thing as enough freedom and I agree that our freedoms are being chewed away more and more... >:(
Uh,
Auto Insurance.
I find it hilarious actually. Auto Insurance should be FOR YOUR CAR by choice only. Not for someone else`s car. If you don`t want it, you shouldn`t HAVE to buy it. You don`t buy House Insurance in order to pay for your neighbors house if it catches fire by accident. If your friend comes over and accidentally burns your house down, HIS house Insurance doesn`t cover your house.
The whole fuckign thing is backwards, but yet people are just willfully ignorant and obedient. They go along with anything.
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tout that capitalism is the greatest thing are the ones with nothing to their name but delusional dreams and a perpetual existence in lower middle class all for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep wishing for the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
I literally know several local families that came here from the Hills of Eastern Kentucky and have made millions of dollars, and started businesses that have employed hundreds of people. Rags to riches...
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Uh,
Auto Insurance.
I find it hilarious actually. Auto Insurance should be FOR YOUR CAR by choice only. Not for someone else`s car. If you don`t want it, you shouldn`t HAVE to buy it. You don`t buy House Insurance in order to pay for your neighbors house if it catches fire by accident. If your friend comes over and accidentally burns your house down, HIS house Insurance doesn`t cover your house.
The whole fuckign thing is backwards, but yet people are just willfully ignorant and obedient. They go along with anything.
Edit:Wait... You don't think you should have to pay the other parties damages in the case of an accident that's your fault? ???
I don't know about the rest of the United States, but in Ohio you just have to provide proof of financial responsibility.
Financial Responsibility Requirements
There are several ways a motorist can meet FR law requirements. Only one of the following proofs of financial responsibility must be maintained.
Financial Responsibility Requirements
There are several ways a motorist can meet FR law requirements. Only one of the following proofs of financial responsibility must be maintained.
* An auto liability insurance policy. Motorists choosing to comply through insurance will receive ID cards from their insurance company that indicate FR requirements have been met.
* A certificate issued by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV) indicating that money or government bonds in the amount of $30,000 is on deposit with the Treasurer of the State.
* A certificate issued by the BMV showing a bond secured by real estate having equity of at least $60,000.
* A certificate of self insurance issued by the BMV, available to those with more than 25 vehicles registered in their name or a company's name.
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Seems TA can't quite grasp the concept of capitalism because he prefers to live off of hard working people who are more fortunate because they worked for their wealth instead of sponging of others. He's one of the lazy ones I keep bringing up. Socialism = LAZY.
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How could insurance companies possibly know how much to charge you if the only car you insured was your own?
It's a different story with real estate.
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I literally know several local families that came here from the Hills of Eastern Kentucky and have made millions of dollars, and started businesses that have employed hundreds of people. Rags to riches...
My Grandfather made millions and millions but I am under no delusion that any schmuck who simply follows the rules and "works hard" will be able to do it.
Do you know the percentage of millionaires, (liquid millionaires) that exist in the United States compared to the rest of the population? Its about 2 percent and under.
My Grandfather did it by work, innovation and connections and other various ways, some rather cutthroat and nefarious. He also did this in the 1950s and 60s when you could get away with a whole lot of shit, especially being Jewish. ( no need to get into conspiracy theories, Jewish people have a network and not a conspiracy)
My point is, hard work and rule following alone will not make you a millionaire. You are going to have to cut corners. The American Dream is not real. To be successful, other HAVE to fail and you HAVE to MAKE them fail or at least revel in their failure.
Most likely you will be no more successful than your parents or your immediate family as this is the best predictor of wealth. Like anything there are exceptions to the rule, but prior family wealth is certainly a stepping stone as to where you will be.
The idea of the little man working his way to the top is only for story books feel good news stories that give the illusion that they too will make it.
Guess what, chance are you can`t and you won`t.
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My Grandfather made millions and millions but I am under no delusion that any schmuck who simply follows the rules and "works hard" will be able to do it.
Wow, what a cuincidence! Your boyfriends (True Adonis) grandfather also made millions in the furniture business!
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Edit:Wait... You don't think you should have to pay the other parties damages in the case of an accident that's your fault? ???
I don't know about the rest of the United States, but in Ohio you just have to provide proof of financial responsibility.
Financial Responsibility Requirements
There are several ways a motorist can meet FR law requirements. Only one of the following proofs of financial responsibility must be maintained.
Again, if you want your car protected YOU BUY CAR INSURANCE for YOUR CAR. So if someone hits you, YOUR INSURANCE POLICY pays for it since you CHOOSE to have your car covered.
If you choose NOT to have car Insurance and someone hits you, your car can be fixed out of pocket and not by Insurance since you CHOSE NOT to cover your car.
It should function the same as Home Insurance. As I said, if your friend comes over and burns your house down on accident, HIS house Insurance DOES NOT cover your house, but your Home Insurance will. See how this works?
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My Grandfather made millions and millions but I am under no delusion that any schmuck who simply follows the rules and "works hard" will be able to do it.
Do you know the percentage of millionaires, (liquid millionaires) that exist in the United States compared to the rest of the population? Its under 1 percent.
My Grandfather did it by work, innovation and connections and other various ways, some rather cutthroat and nefarious. He also did this in the 1950s and 60s when you could get away with a whole lot of shit, especially being Jewish. ( no need to get into conspiracy theories, Jewish people have a network and not a conspiracy)
My point is, hard work and rule following alone will not make you a millionaire. You are going to have to cut corners. The American Dream is not real. To be successful, other HAVE to fail and you HAVE to MAKE them fail or at least revel in their failure.
Most likely you will be no more successful than your parents or your immediate family as this is the best predictor of wealth. Like anything there are exceptions to the rule, but prior family wealth is certainly a stepping stone as to where you will be.
The idea of the little man working his way to the top is only for story books feel good news stories that give the illusion that they too will make it.
Guess what, chance are you can`t and you won`t.
Again, you're delusional. It's a matter of if you want it or don't want it. If you don't want it you'll ALWAYS be at the status quo. I personally know ALOT of millionaires who came from nothing. basically you're telling me you're too lazy to want it.
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How could insurance companies possibly know how much to charge you if the only car you insured was your own?
It's a different story with real estate.
How do you think they know How much to charge right now? (Risk assessment is the answer, but in reality its really a VERY complicated formula that is under no regulation which enables Auto Insurance to charge pretty much whatever they feel like in some cases)
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Again, if you want your car protected YOU BUY CAR INSURANCE for YOUR CAR. So if someone hits you, YOUR INSURANCE POLICY pays for it since you CHOOSE to have your car covered.
If you choose NOT to have car Insurance and someone hits you, your car can be fixed out of pocket and not by Insurance since you CHOSE NOT to cover your car.
It should function the same as Home Insurance. As I said, if your friend comes over and burns your house down on accident, HIS house Insurance DOES NOT cover your house, but your Home Insurance will. See how this works?
How could insurance companies possibly determine how much to charge you if the only car you insured was your own?
It's a different story with real estate.
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The laziness and envy of America is strong in this thread.
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The laziness and envy of America is strong in this thread.
Yup!
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How do you think they know How much to charge right now? (Risk assessment is the answer, but in reality its really a VERY complicated formula that is under no regulation which enables Auto Insurance to charge pretty much whatever they feel like in some cases)
YES!
Real Estate doesn't move around, and the risk presented by trees, neighboring homes, elements in nature, etc... can all be calculated!
Your car on the other hand is at the mercy of a million different drivers and a million different circumstances daily.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Number_of_Millionaires.gif)
I'm no economist, but I don't think it's possible that everyone can be a millionaire, the economy just wouldn't function in that case.
The world needs ditch diggers too...
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Again, I proposed how insurance SHOULD work. Its ass-backwards because of lobbying for the most part in the State Senate and also due to lack of Universal Health as the Coordination of Benefits with Auto Insurance also function as Health Insurance (which it should not) when it comes to accidents.
2 States do not REQUIRE you to buy a product (auto Insurance). I would like to see more. As long as there are more like yourself who kowtow to State Government strong arm tactics and fear, we probably won`t though.
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Again, I proposed how insurance SHOULD work. Its ass-backwards because of lobbying for the most part in the State Senate and also due to lack of Universal Health as the Coordination of Benefits with Auto Insurance also function as Health Insurance (which it should not) when it comes to accidents.
2 States do not REQUIRE you to buy a product (auto Insurance). I would like to see more. As long as there are more like yourself who kowtow to State Government strong arm tactics and fear, we probably won`t though.
Insurance is optional in Ohio, and California from what I'm reading, the only thing required is that you provide Proof of Financial Responsibility I don't know about the other states, but I'm guessing that's the case in almost all of them!
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YES!
Real Estate doesn't move around, and the risk presented by trees, neighboring homes, elements in nature, etc... can all be calculated!
Your car on the other hand is at the mercy of a million different drivers and a million different circumstances daily.
Thats where TRUE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, single payer comes in. This effectively kicks out the Auto Insurance Industry Complex out of the Health Insurance Industry (COB Coordination of Benefits)and from using Risk Assessment to determine inflated costs.
Once this is done, Auto Insurance is SIMPLY FOR YOUR CAR and nobody elses should you choose to have it. You can determine rates based on the VALUE of the car solely and the Average Cost of Repair to that Particular Car.
See how this makes total sense? Auto Insurance should be for Autos only and YOUR AUTO only!
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Thats where TRUE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, single payer comes in. This effectively kicks out the Auto Insurance Industry Complex out of the Health Insurance Industry (COB Coordination of Benefits)and from using Risk Assessment to determine inflated costs.
Once this is done, Auto Insurance is SIMPLY FOR YOUR CAR and nobody elses should you choose to have it. You can determine rates based on the VALUE of the car solely and the Average Cost of Repair to that Particular Car.
See how this makes total sense? Auto Insurance should be for Autos only and YOUR AUTO only!
Some people drive $100k cars, and some people drive $800 cars. The person with the $100k car would have to pay unbelievably high rates at the risk of being wrecked into by the person in the $800 car who really couldn't give a shit less, but would be responsible none the less... :o
I don't understand your thinking on this TA. You don't think a person responsible for an accident should legally have to pay for the damage they cause?
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Some people drive $100k cars, and some people drive $800 cars. The person with the $100k car would have to pay unbelievably high rates at the risk of being wrecked into by the person in the $800 car who really couldn't give a shit less, but would be responsible none the less... :o
I don't understand your thinking on this TA. You don't think a person responsible for an accident should legally have to pay for the damage they cause?
TA has trouble understanding personal property rights. I used to have a problem with auto insurance, then I realized someone can ruin my personal property and not pay for it, so I'm okay with auto insurance. TA is a unique individual for sure.
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Some people drive $100k cars, and some people drive $800 cars. The person with the $100k car would have to pay unbelievably high rates at the risk of being wrecked into by the person in the $800 car who really couldn't give a shit less.... :o
I don't understand your thinking on this TA. You don't think a person responsible for an accident should legally have to pay for the damage they cause?
Exactly. The higher the value the car, the more Expensive Insurance MAY be. You could even shop around to find an underwriter who would do it cheaply.
If someone runs into you, YOUR INSURANCE PAYS that you CHOOSE to buy. Insurance should be FOR YOUR CAR. If you don`t want it, don`t pay it. You may even come out ahead by NOT having Insurance cover your car, especially if you can fix the car yourself or you can fix it cheaper than you would be paying in Premiums over the years.
I don`t see a single downside to this approach at all. This is what INSURANCE SHOULD entail.
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TA has trouble understanding personal property rights. I used to have a problem with auto insurance, then I realized someone can ruin my personal property and not pay for it, so I'm okay with auto insurance. TA is a unique individual for sure.
What the hell are you talking about? Do you know what happens when an Uninsured motorist hits you and you have Auto Insurance?
Guess what, YOUR INSURANCE pays by default anyway.
Again, Insurance should COVER YOUR CAR only.
With my proposal, lets say I am driving a Mercedes with no Insurance and I hit your Ferrari and you have Insurance. Guess what, since you HAVE Insurance your Insurance pays. Since I don`t have it, but I can fix the car myself, I don`t need it. I can pay out of pocket. This is how INSURANCE SHOULD work.
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Exactly. The higher the value the car, the more Expensive Insurance MAY be. You could even shop around to find an underwriter who would do it cheaply.
If someone runs into you, YOUR INSURANCE PAYS that you CHOOSE to buy. Insurance should be FOR YOUR CAR. If you don`t want it, don`t pay it. You may even come out ahead by NOT having Insurance cover your car, especially if you can fix the car yourself or you can fix it cheaper than you would be paying in Premiums over the years.
I don`t see a single downside to this approach at all. This is what INSURANCE SHOULD entail.
That may be the case ta, but the fact is, if an uninsured driver who makes 20k a year runs into my car he won't be able to pay the premium. Please no silver lining or more equivalency.
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Exactly. The higher the value the car, the more Expensive Insurance MAY be. You could even shop around to find an underwriter who would do it cheaply.
If someone runs into you, YOUR INSURANCE PAYS that you CHOOSE to buy. Insurance should be FOR YOUR CAR. If you don`t want it, don`t pay it. You may even come out ahead by NOT having Insurance cover your car, especially if you can fix the car yourself or you can fix it cheaper than you would be paying in Premiums over the years.
I don`t see a single downside to this approach at all. This is what INSURANCE SHOULD entail.
I understand what you're saying, but that isn't a fair system. Someone is always at fault in an auto accident, and the person at fault is the one responsible for the damage done (and rightfully so).
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Insurance is optional in Ohio, and California from what I'm reading, the only thing required is that you provide Proof of Financial Responsibility I don't know about the other states, but I'm guessing that's the case in almost all of them!
Not in North Carolina my friend. We are REQUIRED to buy a Private Product. Not only that, we are now FINED if we Do not have it or it lapses.
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/registrationtitling/insuranceRequirements.html
The Vehicle Financial Responsibility Act of 1957 requires that all motor vehicles registered in the state must be covered by an automobile liability insurance policy and that the insurance must remain in effect with continuous coverage until the registration is terminated.
When titling/registering your vehicle you will need to provide proof of insurance.
Acceptable proofs of insurance include:
Owner provides insurance company name and policy number (Self Certification)
Or a Certificate of Insurance (FS-1), obtained from an Insurance Company that is licensed to do business in North Carolina.
Minimum Liability Insurance Requirements for Licensing:
The minimum requirements of liability insurance for a private passenger vehicle is $30,000 for bodily injury for one person; $60,000 bodily injury for two or more people and $25,000 property damage. North Carolina law requires each company to notify the DMV when coverage has been cancelled.
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Not in North Carolina my friend. We are REQUIRED to buy a Private Product. Not only that, we are now FINED if we Do not have it or it lapses.
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/registrationtitling/insuranceRequirements.html
The Vehicle Financial Responsibility Act of 1957 requires that all motor vehicles registered in the state must be covered by an automobile liability insurance policy and that the insurance must remain in effect with continuous coverage until the registration is terminated.
When titling/registering your vehicle you will need to provide proof of insurance.
Acceptable proofs of insurance include:
Owner provides insurance company name and policy number (Self Certification)
Or a Certificate of Insurance (FS-1), obtained from an Insurance Company that is licensed to do business in North Carolina.
Minimum Liability Insurance Requirements for Licensing:
The minimum requirements of liability insurance for a private passenger vehicle is $30,000 for bodily injury for one person; $60,000 bodily injury for two or more people and $25,000 property damage. North Carolina law requires each company to notify the DMV when coverage has been cancelled.
Again, remember, you can damage someones private property and may not be able to pay the damages.
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In your system, the rates you pay would be based on the value of your car alone regardless of your driving record.
The rates would be insanely unaffordable because in actuality the insurance company wouldn't be insuring you, they'd be insuring you against the million bad drives on the road. The cost that would be charged to insure these bad drives, would then be passed on to you.
That's on top of the fact that the person who causes the damage should be legally responsible to pay for them.
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we developed the MRI machine...think of the lives saved
we developed the LIGHT BULB...your ass woulda been sitting in the dark right now
we developed the small pox vaccine
best damn healthcare on the planet (until now)
we were first on the moon
we were first to develop nukes
we were first to develop stealth
here are more intentions i just googled
phonograph
telephone
radio
television
airplanes
computer
telegraph
sewing machine
artificial heart
bifocals
cotton gin
refridgerator
coffee pot
revolver
safety pin
oil well,
water tower
repeating rifle
roller skates
typewritter
blue jeans
Coca-cola
camera
ALL AMERICAN...your life would be shit or you woulda died of small pox had it not been for USA!
and your life wouldve been shit if we hadnt developed penicillin dickhead. seriously what on your list is actually useful?...raking it back to the truly wonderful leaves your list pretty sparse. also its interesting to compare it to other countries lists. actually its a lame attempt at trying to pick out a justification for your argument. If we went down this route we'd have lists, millions long comparing country to country for discoveries and inventions.
even "coca cola", was "invented" after it was "discovered" as an addictive cocaine based remedy..hardly an actual "invention" let alone one to be proud of...and healthcare- best until now?!...you got to be kidding me?...it must be bliss to be so ignorant and uneducated.
PS i suppose you are also proud of your education system?- well if you are i suggest you ask for your money back as you made it to adult hood without being able to spell.
how's them apples?
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I understand what you're saying, but that isn't a fair system. Someone is always at fault in an auto accident, and the person at fault is the one responsible for the damage done (and rightfully so).
How is it not fair? You can Choose to have your car paid for by an Insurance Company if you want by purchasing, or not.
If someone runs into you, your Insurance Company pays for YOUR CAR. not theirs. Afterall, that SHOULD be what you are paying them for. For YOUR CAR, not someone elses property.
Covering yourself and being able to choose if you want it or not is the epitome of Personal Responsibility is it not?
You don`t have Home Insurance because you plan on using it to pay for your Neighbors house if you accidentally burn it down.
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In your system, the rates you pay would be based on the value of your car alone regardless of your driving record.
The rates would be insanely unaffordable because in actuality the insurance company wouldn't be insuring you, they'd be insuring you against the million bad drives on the road.
That's on top of the fact that the person who causes the damage should be legally responsible to pay for them.
1. They already base it on the value of your car PLUS the phony risk assessment AND Driving Record.
2. The rates would PLUMMET because no longer do they have to carry Coordination of Benefits with Health Insurance, nor pay medical costs.
Take a look at your current policy and look at the monstrous dollar amounts they "guarantee" (some all the way to 500,000). The Insurance companies KNOW that this is a farce and that in the long run, they will never have to dole out such money. Remember, their goal is to make a profit and by doing so they realize that the maximum liability is usually NEVER reached.
3. They already ARE insuring you against a Million other drivers. The way the system works now, if you hit someone, YOUR INSURANCE pays. You continue hitting people, THEY continue paying for OTHER PEOPLES cars. So I don`t see your logic here.
4. If you have Insurance, and you get hit YOUR INSURANCE SHOULD pay. Afterall, that is what you are paying them for. FOR YOU. For YOUR PROPERTY. NOT someone elses.
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Eyeball,
If you come to my house and Burn it down by accident, does your Home Insurance Company pay? (this is the retarded way Auto Insurance currently operates)
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Eyeball,
If you come to my house and Burn it down by accident, does your Home Insurance Company pay? (this is the retarded way Auto Insurance currently operates)
If I come burn your house down I'll be charged with Arson, but ultimately I'd feel terrible, and responsible for the damage. ;D
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. :o
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If I come burn your house down I'll be charged with Arson, but ultimately I'd feel terrible, and responsible for the damage. ;D
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. :o
No you wouldn`t. Not if it was purely accidental.
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No you wouldn`t. Not if it was purely accidental.
Yep, but in driving their aren't "accidents". In the case of a car wreck, someone broke the law and that person is ultimately responsible for the damage.
The guy that's never been in a car wreck should be less of a risk to insure than the guy that's got a DUI record, and destroyed fifteen vehicles. In your system, we're passing the risk of insuring these bad drivers onto the poor bastard that now has to insure himself (who's never caused a wreck) against them.
There's absolutely noting wrong with demanding proof of financial responsibility before letting someone on the road because ultimately people should be responsible for damages they cause on the road.
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Yep, but in driving their aren't "accidents". In the case of a car wreck, someone broke the law and that person is ultimately responsible for the damage.
The guy that's never been in a car wreck should be less of a risk to insure than the guy that's got a DUI record, and destroyed fifteen vehicles. In your system, we're passing the risk of insuring these bad drivers onto the poor bastard that now has to insure himself (who's never caused a wreck) against them.
There's absolutely noting wrong with demanding proof of financial responsibility before letting someone on the road because ultimately people should be responsible for damages they cause.
In my system we could surely use Accident History and Traffic Violations as Criteria. Why would you think it couldn`t be so?
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In my system we could surely use Accident History and Traffic Violations as Criteria. Why would you think it couldn`t be so?
Because your insurance company will be paying the price regardless of your driving history. In your system it comes down to the history of all the other drivers on the road, not your own.
On top of that, you should legally be responsible for damage you cause. Do you disagree with that?
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Because your insurance company will be paying the price regardless of your driving history. In your system it comes down to the history of all the other drivers on the road, not your own.
On top of that, you should legally be responsible for damage you cause. Do you disagree with that?
No, in my system it would come down to the value of your vehicle, average cost of repairs and/or Driving Record and Accident History.
Check this article out. You have heard of PROGRESSIVE Auto Insurance right? Well the owner is a Very Liberal Libertarian Check out what he says this may help clarify my view a bit as I share his:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1995/08/07/205140/index.htm
SEX. REEFER? AND AUTO INSURANCE! PETER LEWIS HAS BUILT PROGRESSIVE CORP. INTO A SMASHINGLY SUCCESSFUL INSURANCE COMPANY AND A STOCK MARKET STAR. AND HE'S FULL OF FRESH IDEAS FOR MORE GROWTH. BUT GET A LOAD OF HIS LIFESTYLE. AND CHECK OUT HIS UNPUBLISHED BOOK.
By CAROL J. LOOMIS REPORTER ASSOCIATE EILEEN P. GUNN
August 7, 1995
(FORTUNE Magazine) –
In the annals of big business, there may never have been so curious a pair--company and man--as Progressive Corp., a Cleveland auto insurer, and Peter Benjamin Lewis, its 61-year-old chairman, president, and chief executive. Progressive, on the one hand, is a prodigiously growing, solidly successful stock market standout, with a cool, we've-got-it-all-together personality. Lewis, on the other hand, is a total eccentric--though that description hardly goes far enough in capturing either his unique style of managing, or of living. The son of a Progressive founder, Lewis has been CEO now for 30 years. And were there to exist a Fortune 500 prize for outlandishness and riotous comment at the boss level, he would be odds-on to win.
Listen, for example, to this exchange that took place between Lewis and a prospective investor in their first minutes of meeting. Said the investor to the 6-foot-2, fit-looking Lewis: "I've looked at your stock very carefully. It's clear to me that this is a great company. But I also know that you are terribly important to it. So I have one big question: How's your health?"
In a three-hour interview that took place recently at Lewis's art-filled Cleveland penthouse--his home since he was divorced 14 years ago--this writer did not manage to elicit quite the same wind-up declaration. But Lewis was obsessively candid about almost all other subjects, certainly including the remarkable success of Progressive and his wildly individualistic views about the way the world should be run. By self-classification both a "very liberal Democrat" and a libertarian--is that combo possible?--Lewis doesn't believe much in laws and rules, especially those that attempt to impose on people a code of behavior that is unenforceable. Though he makes his living from collecting auto insurance premiums, for example, he doesn't think drivers should be forced to buy insurance. For some, he says, among them those earning very little, it doesn't make sense--so why make them buy?
On another subject of close personal interest, he believes that romantic relationships in the office are going to occur no matter what the rules, and are perfectly okay just as long as they don't interfere with his most sacred goal, the efficient workings of Progressive. He has, in fact, danced around this thought in Progressive's annual reports, which are both as informative and oddball as Lewis himself. "Intraoffice romances just happen," he says, "and I've had them, both inappropriately and appropriately."
Among the acceptable kind, apparently, is a long-running though definitely nonbinding relationship Lewis has had with Janet Frieden, head of Progressive's travel department. And by the way, his ex-wife, Toby, works at the company four days a week, serving as curator of Progressive's large contemporary-art collection. The once-marrieds, who are parents of three grown children, are good friends.
Similarly, Peter Lewis remains on cordial terms with many of the executives he has fired--a society of large and ever-growing numbers. Says Lewis proudly: "I'm the best person to have been fired by or divorced from that I know." His reasoning: "I can put myself in the other guys' shoes. And I care about how they feel about me when we're not together, because I care about how I feel about them."
Lewis cares also about the good life for himself. He has thoughts of building a huge (25,000 square feet or more), insistently modern house in Cleveland but has so far spent five years noodling inconclusively with Los Angeles architect Frank Gehry over its design. That project is now shelved (not for the first time), and Lewis is making do with his Cleveland pad; additional apartments in New York City and Washington, D.C.; and a house in Aspen, Colorado.
Lewis acquired his Washington digs because (why is this not a surprise?) he was interested in a woman who lived in D.C. But he also visualized the apartment as a base for getting close to a Democratic President. To that end, he contributed heavily to the Dukakis campaign in 1988 and was a major donor to the Democrats during Clinton's run, giving more than $250,000. That kind of money got him a limousine ride in Cleveland with the candidate, during which Lewis helpfully offered his advice about the womanizing issue: "I told him that if there'd been, say, 27 women since he got married, he should just state that was the case, say it was 'juvenile behavior,' and put this problem in the past." After that, Clinton didn't seek out Lewis for further advice. Today Lewis says he's given up his ambitions of gaining political influence.
Friends--and others--attempting to describe the phenomenon that is Lewis ransack their vocabularies for the right words. Says a friend who knows him well and seems genuinely to like him: "He's a frame or two off the ordinary radar screen. He's a big, overgrown child. His threshold of embarrassment is very high. There's no way to jerk his chain because he doesn't have one. He's a rock star without any musical ability." And then a summation: "He's weird. That's it, weird."
And yet there is this essential fact: Peter Lewis is an extraordinary businessman, who in his three decades as CEO has taken Progressive from an industry gnat to a large, powerful competitor. In 1980, just 15 years ago, Progressive was the 48th-largest auto insurer in the country. Last year, when revenues hit $2.4 billion, it was No. 6. Numbers three through five in the industry, Farmers, USAA, and Nationwide, had better keep checking their rear-view mirrors. At the moment, State Farm, with $23 billion in auto insurance revenues, and Allstate, at $12 billion, seem too far in front to catch. But can Lewis imagine overtaking State Farm? "Yes," he says, looking thoughtful. "I can imagine that."
These aren't dreams fueled by fantasy. Financially, Progressive has the stuff to keep forcing the race. Soundly capitalized, as an insurer should be, it is also a star earner, making $274 million in 1994 and managing in that year, as in most, to return better than 20% on equity. The stock market has cheered: For the ten years ended in 1994, Progressive had an annualized total return--that is, stock appreciation plus reinvested dividends--of 27.3%, which ranked it 19th among the Fortune 500. Had you put $10,000 into Progressive stock when it went public in 1971 and held on, you would today have roughly $1.7 million in stock. As for Lewis, he owns 14% of the stock, worth just over $400 million.
Perhaps even more bizarre than this seeming paradox of a man and his company is the fact that he has documented in a book --often outrageous in its detail--both the story of how Progressive got so good and how Lewis himself became the Ted Turner of the insurance business. Called Progressive History, the book is technically unpublished, because Lewis says it does not yet meet his standards of quality. Nevertheless, he has sent it in its quasi-finished form to many, many people, including some former Progressive executives whose firing by Lewis is baldly described in its pages. Learning of the book, Fortune began asking around for it, and one day a photocopy arrived in the mail, sent by an anonymous donor. Thank you. The pages sent cover the period from 1937, when Progressive was founded, through 1993.
Forget the dull title. What Lady Chatterley's Lover was to 1920s literature, this book just may be to corporate histories. It is self-revealing beyond belief. In the late 1960s, for example, Lewis shared lunch with a female Progressive employee and "felt overwhelmed by the need to have an extramarital experience." Was she willing, he asked, to go to a motel and do it with him? "She was and we did," he writes. Somewhat later, though possibly not as a result, Lewis turned to psychiatric therapy, "beginning a lifetime of intense introspection" that focused unremittingly on one issue: "my not being interested in or able to achieve [a] loving, monogamous, committed relationship with a woman." Maybe that was because he was giving his all at Progressive. In one passage, Lewis describes his then-office--"a palatial penthouse designed to reflect and indulge my hedonism and appreciation of contemporary art"--and says his decision to hold a particularly important business meeting there was a way for him to "show off my success, symbolize my position, and emphasize my ample supply of testosterone."
Though those passages do not suggest a man seeking to hold anything back, the book may have an omission of note. Nowhere is there mention of a habit some people claim Lewis has: the heavy use of marijuana. Says one person who has been around him a lot: "He is a functioning pothead."
Since possession of marijuana is illegal in the U.S. --though many people argue that it should not be--and since alcohol and drugs are issues for auto insurers, the question of whether Lewis has a marijuana habit can't easily be dismissed as irrelevant. Given both his frankness and his related reputation for absolute honesty, direct inquiry about this matter seemed logical. So in a phone interview, Fortune asked the threshold question: "We hear that you are a user of marijuana. Is that right?" He didn't choose "no" as an answer but went instead to "I'm not going to comment." Later he called to remind us that a "no comment" does not amount to an affirmation.
Whatever the reality, Progressive cannot easily be discerned to have suffered. One person who avows Lewis to be a heavy user of pot hurries on to laud his business accomplishments as well, while wryly recalling President Lincoln's rebuff to certain advisers who complained to him of General Grant's drinking habits: "You just tell me the brand of whiskey Grant drinks--I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals."
Without question, Lewis is completely dedicated to making Progressive a great company, and he also brings some enormous abilities to the job. When channeled into business, Lewis's unorthodoxy spins out as creativity. He is an instinctive challenger of assumptions and a constant generator of ideas--and yes, a good number of those must be immediately and forcefully flattened, volunteers Progressive's chief financial officer, Charles Chokel, with a smile. Beyond the vision are serious analytical and quantitative abilities, as well as a perfectionist's passion for testing and for measuring performance. "We measure everything," says Lewis, dramatically stretching out the word.
Lewis also seems to possess a skill for extracting superb work from the people below him--obviously not including those departed. He is an absolutist about untiring effort, a point he hits colorfully and memorably in speeches he gives to new claims adjusters brought in to Cleveland for training. "I'm going to tell you how to succeed," Lewis says to them, his voice dropping conspiratorially as he describes the moment. "It's so simple. There are 50 of you out there--and you're beautiful, every one of you is beautiful--and you're between 23 and 27, and you've got a college degree, and you've had one other job, and you're absolutely the handsomest people I've ever seen. And as the years go on, there is just one thing that will matter. The thing that will differentiate you is who will work the hardest."
When Wall Street analysts look at this improbable package--the personal eccentricities of Lewis arrayed against his perfectionism and the incontestable success of his business--some don blinders and others come on like Lincoln talking about Grant. Thomas Sargent of Conning & Co. says that in the insurance business, conventional thinking tends to produce conventional returns, while the real rewards go to companies that "think about the world differently." In his opinion, that's the Peter Lewis payoff.
As an insurance executive, it needs to be noted, Lewis has one big, and self-acknowledged, limitation: absolutely no expertise in investments nor any skill in landing and keeping an investment chief who might serve as his right arm. Lewis's worst disappointment on this front involved Alfred Lerner, now 62, a successful Cleveland businessman who, upon Lewis's ardent bid for his services, became chairman of Progressive and ran its investments from 1988 into 1993. Lewis had a kind of idolizing crush on Lerner, but nonetheless eventually sent him packing from Progressive because they fell to arguing about almost everything (and because the tension of it all caused Lewis to suffer sneezing jags).
Summing up the Lerner years in his book, Lewis described them as evolving "like a classic romance: introduction, friendship, seduction, marriage, joy, accomplishments, problems that festered, irritation, and then an emotionally agonizing separation." Even today Lewis's comments about Lerner remain remarkable: "Al Lerner is a standoffish, supercilious, dominating kind of guy, who in my view is absolutely lovable and adorable."
Well, sure--and, if nothing else, such comments erase all doubts that Lewis is in any way a linear thinker. Yet in that part of the company identifiable as operations, Lewis has in the 1990s employed his peculiar brand of thinking to great effect. He has drawn exceptional help from his executives, starting with Progressive's chief operating officer, Bruce W. Marlow, 46, and, under unusual business pressures, has changed just about everything in the company's kit--its attitudes toward costs, its distribution methods, and its product line.
Historically, Progressive has filled a niche: the sale of "nonstandard" auto insurance, bought typically by drivers with a history of accidents, perhaps caused by substance abuse. Many insurers won't cover that kind of driver at all. Progressive loves to do it--at a price. It is an acknowledged master at pricing high-risk policies, bought, say, by an unmarried 22-year-old Texas dude who drives a green Corvette and cracked it up recently while totally bombed.
Nonstandard policies account for only about 15% of the total auto insurance market, and for many years the industry's leaders largely ignored this corner of the business, allowing Progressive to work it aggressively. The company specialized in a top-quality claims service and worried not at all that it was a high-cost operator, a luxury it could afford knowing that its customers, short of alternatives, would pay up for policies. And in most years the company hit the tough targets that Peter Lewis demands of it: an underwriting profit (in contrast to the underwriting losses that most auto insurers run up); a return on equity that is at least 15 percentage points above the rate of inflation; and growth in written premiums that is at least that high also.
But in the mid-1980s, giant Allstate, looking around for growth in its essentially mature market, finally focused on how much money Progressive was making in its nifty niche and within a couple of years whipped by Progressive in nonstandard business. That was a foghorn wake-up call for Lewis. A second blast came from Proposition 103, an initiative passed by California's voters in 1988. Prop. 103 eventually cost Progressive $50 million in refunds, established a tough new regulatory climate in this hugely important state, and generally sent Lewis into a panic. He worried that similar uprisings might sweep the country. His libertarian soul also recoiled at the idea of Progressive having to refund premiums that he considered its legitimately earned property.
But then, egged on by his Princeton classmate Ralph Nader, Lewis focused on a brain-rocking thought: Suppose that California voters were right in believing auto insurance a hateful, overpriced product? On a more pragmatic front, he asked himself and his troops just how high-cost Progressive could compete with Allstate, when that rival's cost structure--incorporating a captive-agent system that permitted relatively low distribution expenses--was so much more favorable.
Lewis then introduced Progressive to a rebuild-this-wreck period, achieving a transformation, says one competitor, "that makes you realize just how good Pete is." Insurers measure their efficiency by an "expense ratio" that expresses operating costs (not including claims and related expenses) as a percent of earned premiums. Allstate's expense ratio in 1988 was 24.1% and Progressive's was a sky-high 33.2%, a differential that guaranteed Progressive could not match Allstate's prices. By last year Allstate had whittled its ratio to 23.6%. But Progressive had pulled off a near miracle, getting down to 22.4%, an improvement of nearly 11 percentage points.
"We'll cut still more," says COO Marlow, a fanatic about details who brings reality to Lewis's claim of being a "good delegator." Marlow, a Harvard MBA, is also a rare bird at Progressive in that he is a survivor of a period in the late 1970s when Lewis was on a kick of bringing in dozens of graduates from top business schools and immediately flooding them with big responsibilities. Most of those MBAs have since left, many sacked by Lewis--their belated reward being that they have been able to read in Lewis's book precisely how they fell short. Lewis says, however, that the best of the MBAs are still around and that Marlow, for one, is a highly creative "genius."
So we have Lewis, who's creative, and Marlow, who's that plus detailish, and the combination has proven to be nothing short of spectacular, especially in the 1990s, when the two have teamed up to launch revolutionary programs aimed, oxymoronically, at bringing "delight" to the two most painful experiences of being an insurance customer: buying a policy and seeking resolution of a claim. It seems to be working (see box).
So where, with this wild card named Lewis, will it all lead? What will Progressive look like in the future--say, five years down the road? Lewis says the company will have remained primarily a personal-lines insurer, will probably have added homeowners' insurance to its line, and above all will have met its financial objectives. If Progressive does that, he says, "it will be because we have revolutionized auto insurance."
Lewis himself has no retirement date in mind and shows signs of intending to stay CEO indefinitely. But the Progressive board, he says, would like to see some succession plans firmed up. He has thought about bringing in an outsider--including one executive, Richard Haverland, whom he fired 12 years ago. And within the company, he says, are maybe ten to 12 executives with the stuff to be CEO, including Marlow and at least one woman, Moira Lardakis, 43, president of the company's Ohio division. Lewis loves the idea of having a female prospect--"I'm an admirer of women in every sense of the word"--and exults generally over how good his CEO candidates are: "They are really --there are women in the group, so I can't say it-but one could say they are really studs."
The whole subject, of course, raises a large question: Is Lewis essential to Progressive? Answering, his executives --those studs--are generous and convincing in their praise of Lewis, but argue unsurprisingly that he has built a Progressive culture that would endure if he were gone. One outsider who agrees is Francis Gouillart, senior vice president of Gemini Consulting, who has studied Progressive closely and believes that it has developed a team of executives who could keep the company moving briskly along the path Lewis has set.
Truthfully, it is unknowable whether Progressive could thrive without Lewis. He is linked inextricably and almost mystically to the company, just as the institutional investor suggested when he asked, "How's your health?" So Progressive's shareholders should just hope Lewis keeps swimming his mile a day. As for those other lifestyle things, the shareholders had better accept them or sell.
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How is it not fair? You can Choose to have your car paid for by an Insurance Company if you want by purchasing, or not.
If someone runs into you, your Insurance Company pays for YOUR CAR. not theirs. Afterall, that SHOULD be what you are paying them for. For YOUR CAR, not someone elses property.
Covering yourself and being able to choose if you want it or not is the epitome of Personal Responsibility is it not?
You don`t have Home Insurance because you plan on using it to pay for your Neighbors house if you accidentally burn it down.
absolutely wrong.
the case goes pear shaped when you cause damage to someone else- and cant pay.
thats where it all falls in a heap. most systems from other countries cover the damage until third party compulsory insurance law- as a minimum standard. That way at least you are able to pay for someone else's losses should it be deemed your fault. Mind you, even in some cases it is deemed your fault even if it may not be- for instance rear ending someone.
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No, in my system it would come down to the value of your vehicle, average cost of repairs and/or Driving Record and Accident History.
Check this article out. You have heard of PROGRESSIVE Auto Insurance right? Well the owner is a Very Liberal Libertarian Check out what he says this may help clarify my view a bit as I share his:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1995/08/07/205140/index.htm
SEX. REEFER? AND AUTO INSURANCE! PETER LEWIS HAS BUILT PROGRESSIVE CORP. INTO A SMASHINGLY SUCCESSFUL INSURANCE COMPANY AND A STOCK MARKET STAR. AND HE'S FULL OF FRESH IDEAS FOR MORE GROWTH. BUT GET A LOAD OF HIS LIFESTYLE. AND CHECK OUT HIS UNPUBLISHED BOOK.
By CAROL J. LOOMIS REPORTER ASSOCIATE EILEEN P. GUNN
August 7, 1995
(FORTUNE Magazine) –
In the annals of big business, there may never have been so curious a pair--company and man--as Progressive Corp., a Cleveland auto insurer, and Peter Benjamin Lewis, its 61-year-old chairman, president, and chief executive. Progressive, on the one hand, is a prodigiously growing, solidly successful stock market standout, with a cool, we've-got-it-all-together personality. Lewis, on the other hand, is a total eccentric--though that description hardly goes far enough in capturing either his unique style of managing, or of living. The son of a Progressive founder, Lewis has been CEO now for 30 years. And were there to exist a Fortune 500 prize for outlandishness and riotous comment at the boss level, he would be odds-on to win.
Listen, for example, to this exchange that took place between Lewis and a prospective investor in their first minutes of meeting. Said the investor to the 6-foot-2, fit-looking Lewis: "I've looked at your stock very carefully. It's clear to me that this is a great company. But I also know that you are terribly important to it. So I have one big question: How's your health?"
In a three-hour interview that took place recently at Lewis's art-filled Cleveland penthouse--his home since he was divorced 14 years ago--this writer did not manage to elicit quite the same wind-up declaration. But Lewis was obsessively candid about almost all other subjects, certainly including the remarkable success of Progressive and his wildly individualistic views about the way the world should be run. By self-classification both a "very liberal Democrat" and a libertarian--is that combo possible?--Lewis doesn't believe much in laws and rules, especially those that attempt to impose on people a code of behavior that is unenforceable. Though he makes his living from collecting auto insurance premiums, for example, he doesn't think drivers should be forced to buy insurance. For some, he says, among them those earning very little, it doesn't make sense--so why make them buy?
On another subject of close personal interest, he believes that romantic relationships in the office are going to occur no matter what the rules, and are perfectly okay just as long as they don't interfere with his most sacred goal, the efficient workings of Progressive. He has, in fact, danced around this thought in Progressive's annual reports, which are both as informative and oddball as Lewis himself. "Intraoffice romances just happen," he says, "and I've had them, both inappropriately and appropriately."
Among the acceptable kind, apparently, is a long-running though definitely nonbinding relationship Lewis has had with Janet Frieden, head of Progressive's travel department. And by the way, his ex-wife, Toby, works at the company four days a week, serving as curator of Progressive's large contemporary-art collection. The once-marrieds, who are parents of three grown children, are good friends.
Similarly, Peter Lewis remains on cordial terms with many of the executives he has fired--a society of large and ever-growing numbers. Says Lewis proudly: "I'm the best person to have been fired by or divorced from that I know." His reasoning: "I can put myself in the other guys' shoes. And I care about how they feel about me when we're not together, because I care about how I feel about them."
Lewis cares also about the good life for himself. He has thoughts of building a huge (25,000 square feet or more), insistently modern house in Cleveland but has so far spent five years noodling inconclusively with Los Angeles architect Frank Gehry over its design. That project is now shelved (not for the first time), and Lewis is making do with his Cleveland pad; additional apartments in New York City and Washington, D.C.; and a house in Aspen, Colorado.
Lewis acquired his Washington digs because (why is this not a surprise?) he was interested in a woman who lived in D.C. But he also visualized the apartment as a base for getting close to a Democratic President. To that end, he contributed heavily to the Dukakis campaign in 1988 and was a major donor to the Democrats during Clinton's run, giving more than $250,000. That kind of money got him a limousine ride in Cleveland with the candidate, during which Lewis helpfully offered his advice about the womanizing issue: "I told him that if there'd been, say, 27 women since he got married, he should just state that was the case, say it was 'juvenile behavior,' and put this problem in the past." After that, Clinton didn't seek out Lewis for further advice. Today Lewis says he's given up his ambitions of gaining political influence.
Friends--and others--attempting to describe the phenomenon that is Lewis ransack their vocabularies for the right words. Says a friend who knows him well and seems genuinely to like him: "He's a frame or two off the ordinary radar screen. He's a big, overgrown child. His threshold of embarrassment is very high. There's no way to jerk his chain because he doesn't have one. He's a rock star without any musical ability." And then a summation: "He's weird. That's it, weird."
And yet there is this essential fact: Peter Lewis is an extraordinary businessman, who in his three decades as CEO has taken Progressive from an industry gnat to a large, powerful competitor. In 1980, just 15 years ago, Progressive was the 48th-largest auto insurer in the country. Last year, when revenues hit $2.4 billion, it was No. 6. Numbers three through five in the industry, Farmers, USAA, and Nationwide, had better keep checking their rear-view mirrors. At the moment, State Farm, with $23 billion in auto insurance revenues, and Allstate, at $12 billion, seem too far in front to catch. But can Lewis imagine overtaking State Farm? "Yes," he says, looking thoughtful. "I can imagine that."
These aren't dreams fueled by fantasy. Financially, Progressive has the stuff to keep forcing the race. Soundly capitalized, as an insurer should be, it is also a star earner, making $274 million in 1994 and managing in that year, as in most, to return better than 20% on equity. The stock market has cheered: For the ten years ended in 1994, Progressive had an annualized total return--that is, stock appreciation plus reinvested dividends--of 27.3%, which ranked it 19th among the Fortune 500. Had you put $10,000 into Progressive stock when it went public in 1971 and held on, you would today have roughly $1.7 million in stock. As for Lewis, he owns 14% of the stock, worth just over $400 million.
Perhaps even more bizarre than this seeming paradox of a man and his company is the fact that he has documented in a book --often outrageous in its detail--both the story of how Progressive got so good and how Lewis himself became the Ted Turner of the insurance business. Called Progressive History, the book is technically unpublished, because Lewis says it does not yet meet his standards of quality. Nevertheless, he has sent it in its quasi-finished form to many, many people, including some former Progressive executives whose firing by Lewis is baldly described in its pages. Learning of the book, Fortune began asking around for it, and one day a photocopy arrived in the mail, sent by an anonymous donor. Thank you. The pages sent cover the period from 1937, when Progressive was founded, through 1993.
Forget the dull title. What Lady Chatterley's Lover was to 1920s literature, this book just may be to corporate histories. It is self-revealing beyond belief. In the late 1960s, for example, Lewis shared lunch with a female Progressive employee and "felt overwhelmed by the need to have an extramarital experience." Was she willing, he asked, to go to a motel and do it with him? "She was and we did," he writes. Somewhat later, though possibly not as a result, Lewis turned to psychiatric therapy, "beginning a lifetime of intense introspection" that focused unremittingly on one issue: "my not being interested in or able to achieve [a] loving, monogamous, committed relationship with a woman." Maybe that was because he was giving his all at Progressive. In one passage, Lewis describes his then-office--"a palatial penthouse designed to reflect and indulge my hedonism and appreciation of contemporary art"--and says his decision to hold a particularly important business meeting there was a way for him to "show off my success, symbolize my position, and emphasize my ample supply of testosterone."
Though those passages do not suggest a man seeking to hold anything back, the book may have an omission of note. Nowhere is there mention of a habit some people claim Lewis has: the heavy use of marijuana. Says one person who has been around him a lot: "He is a functioning pothead."
Since possession of marijuana is illegal in the U.S. --though many people argue that it should not be--and since alcohol and drugs are issues for auto insurers, the question of whether Lewis has a marijuana habit can't easily be dismissed as irrelevant. Given both his frankness and his related reputation for absolute honesty, direct inquiry about this matter seemed logical. So in a phone interview, Fortune asked the threshold question: "We hear that you are a user of marijuana. Is that right?" He didn't choose "no" as an answer but went instead to "I'm not going to comment." Later he called to remind us that a "no comment" does not amount to an affirmation.
Whatever the reality, Progressive cannot easily be discerned to have suffered. One person who avows Lewis to be a heavy user of pot hurries on to laud his business accomplishments as well, while wryly recalling President Lincoln's rebuff to certain advisers who complained to him of General Grant's drinking habits: "You just tell me the brand of whiskey Grant drinks--I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals."
Without question, Lewis is completely dedicated to making Progressive a great company, and he also brings some enormous abilities to the job. When channeled into business, Lewis's unorthodoxy spins out as creativity. He is an instinctive challenger of assumptions and a constant generator of ideas--and yes, a good number of those must be immediately and forcefully flattened, volunteers Progressive's chief financial officer, Charles Chokel, with a smile. Beyond the vision are serious analytical and quantitative abilities, as well as a perfectionist's passion for testing and for measuring performance. "We measure everything," says Lewis, dramatically stretching out the word.
Lewis also seems to possess a skill for extracting superb work from the people below him--obviously not including those departed. He is an absolutist about untiring effort, a point he hits colorfully and memorably in speeches he gives to new claims adjusters brought in to Cleveland for training. "I'm going to tell you how to succeed," Lewis says to them, his voice dropping conspiratorially as he describes the moment. "It's so simple. There are 50 of you out there--and you're beautiful, every one of you is beautiful--and you're between 23 and 27, and you've got a college degree, and you've had one other job, and you're absolutely the handsomest people I've ever seen. And as the years go on, there is just one thing that will matter. The thing that will differentiate you is who will work the hardest."
When Wall Street analysts look at this improbable package--the personal eccentricities of Lewis arrayed against his perfectionism and the incontestable success of his business--some don blinders and others come on like Lincoln talking about Grant. Thomas Sargent of Conning & Co. says that in the insurance business, conventional thinking tends to produce conventional returns, while the real rewards go to companies that "think about the world differently." In his opinion, that's the Peter Lewis payoff.
As an insurance executive, it needs to be noted, Lewis has one big, and self-acknowledged, limitation: absolutely no expertise in investments nor any skill in landing and keeping an investment chief who might serve as his right arm. Lewis's worst disappointment on this front involved Alfred Lerner, now 62, a successful Cleveland businessman who, upon Lewis's ardent bid for his services, became chairman of Progressive and ran its investments from 1988 into 1993. Lewis had a kind of idolizing crush on Lerner, but nonetheless eventually sent him packing from Progressive because they fell to arguing about almost everything (and because the tension of it all caused Lewis to suffer sneezing jags).
Summing up the Lerner years in his book, Lewis described them as evolving "like a classic romance: introduction, friendship, seduction, marriage, joy, accomplishments, problems that festered, irritation, and then an emotionally agonizing separation." Even today Lewis's comments about Lerner remain remarkable: "Al Lerner is a standoffish, supercilious, dominating kind of guy, who in my view is absolutely lovable and adorable."
Well, sure--and, if nothing else, such comments erase all doubts that Lewis is in any way a linear thinker. Yet in that part of the company identifiable as operations, Lewis has in the 1990s employed his peculiar brand of thinking to great effect. He has drawn exceptional help from his executives, starting with Progressive's chief operating officer, Bruce W. Marlow, 46, and, under unusual business pressures, has changed just about everything in the company's kit--its attitudes toward costs, its distribution methods, and its product line.
Historically, Progressive has filled a niche: the sale of "nonstandard" auto insurance, bought typically by drivers with a history of accidents, perhaps caused by substance abuse. Many insurers won't cover that kind of driver at all. Progressive loves to do it--at a price. It is an acknowledged master at pricing high-risk policies, bought, say, by an unmarried 22-year-old Texas dude who drives a green Corvette and cracked it up recently while totally bombed.
Nonstandard policies account for only about 15% of the total auto insurance market, and for many years the industry's leaders largely ignored this corner of the business, allowing Progressive to work it aggressively. The company specialized in a top-quality claims service and worried not at all that it was a high-cost operator, a luxury it could afford knowing that its customers, short of alternatives, would pay up for policies. And in most years the company hit the tough targets that Peter Lewis demands of it: an underwriting profit (in contrast to the underwriting losses that most auto insurers run up); a return on equity that is at least 15 percentage points above the rate of inflation; and growth in written premiums that is at least that high also.
But in the mid-1980s, giant Allstate, looking around for growth in its essentially mature market, finally focused on how much money Progressive was making in its nifty niche and within a couple of years whipped by Progressive in nonstandard business. That was a foghorn wake-up call for Lewis. A second blast came from Proposition 103, an initiative passed by California's voters in 1988. Prop. 103 eventually cost Progressive $50 million in refunds, established a tough new regulatory climate in this hugely important state, and generally sent Lewis into a panic. He worried that similar uprisings might sweep the country. His libertarian soul also recoiled at the idea of Progressive having to refund premiums that he considered its legitimately earned property.
But then, egged on by his Princeton classmate Ralph Nader, Lewis focused on a brain-rocking thought: Suppose that California voters were right in believing auto insurance a hateful, overpriced product? On a more pragmatic front, he asked himself and his troops just how high-cost Progressive could compete with Allstate, when that rival's cost structure--incorporating a captive-agent system that permitted relatively low distribution expenses--was so much more favorable.
Lewis then introduced Progressive to a rebuild-this-wreck period, achieving a transformation, says one competitor, "that makes you realize just how good Pete is." Insurers measure their efficiency by an "expense ratio" that expresses operating costs (not including claims and related expenses) as a percent of earned premiums. Allstate's expense ratio in 1988 was 24.1% and Progressive's was a sky-high 33.2%, a differential that guaranteed Progressive could not match Allstate's prices. By last year Allstate had whittled its ratio to 23.6%. But Progressive had pulled off a near miracle, getting down to 22.4%, an improvement of nearly 11 percentage points.
"We'll cut still more," says COO Marlow, a fanatic about details who brings reality to Lewis's claim of being a "good delegator." Marlow, a Harvard MBA, is also a rare bird at Progressive in that he is a survivor of a period in the late 1970s when Lewis was on a kick of bringing in dozens of graduates from top business schools and immediately flooding them with big responsibilities. Most of those MBAs have since left, many sacked by Lewis--their belated reward being that they have been able to read in Lewis's book precisely how they fell short. Lewis says, however, that the best of the MBAs are still around and that Marlow, for one, is a highly creative "genius."
So we have Lewis, who's creative, and Marlow, who's that plus detailish, and the combination has proven to be nothing short of spectacular, especially in the 1990s, when the two have teamed up to launch revolutionary programs aimed, oxymoronically, at bringing "delight" to the two most painful experiences of being an insurance customer: buying a policy and seeking resolution of a claim. It seems to be working (see box).
So where, with this wild card named Lewis, will it all lead? What will Progressive look like in the future--say, five years down the road? Lewis says the company will have remained primarily a personal-lines insurer, will probably have added homeowners' insurance to its line, and above all will have met its financial objectives. If Progressive does that, he says, "it will be because we have revolutionized auto insurance."
Lewis himself has no retirement date in mind and shows signs of intending to stay CEO indefinitely. But the Progressive board, he says, would like to see some succession plans firmed up. He has thought about bringing in an outsider--including one executive, Richard Haverland, whom he fired 12 years ago. And within the company, he says, are maybe ten to 12 executives with the stuff to be CEO, including Marlow and at least one woman, Moira Lardakis, 43, president of the company's Ohio division. Lewis loves the idea of having a female prospect--"I'm an admirer of women in every sense of the word"--and exults generally over how good his CEO candidates are: "They are really --there are women in the group, so I can't say it-but one could say they are really studs."
The whole subject, of course, raises a large question: Is Lewis essential to Progressive? Answering, his executives --those studs--are generous and convincing in their praise of Lewis, but argue unsurprisingly that he has built a Progressive culture that would endure if he were gone. One outsider who agrees is Francis Gouillart, senior vice president of Gemini Consulting, who has studied Progressive closely and believes that it has developed a team of executives who could keep the company moving briskly along the path Lewis has set.
Truthfully, it is unknowable whether Progressive could thrive without Lewis. He is linked inextricably and almost mystically to the company, just as the institutional investor suggested when he asked, "How's your health?" So Progressive's shareholders should just hope Lewis keeps swimming his mile a day. As for those other lifestyle things, the shareholders had better accept them or sell.
I'm still reading, but this is interesting! Sounds like a good guy, I like this:
Lewis doesn't believe much in laws and rules, especially those that attempt to impose on people a code of behavior that is unenforceable.
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Toxic wtf is up your bum lately? Starting pissing matches online, really?
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USA is an realistic nation! beleives in deleivering what promised! 8)
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This attitude is why people hate America. Just like the bully at school...
There is a whole world out there and some of it is MUCH better than America depending on what you are looking for.
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There is. That's the point. Most of this "America is the land of opportunity" and "America is the best" stuff is bullshit. Maybe it was true 30 years ago but not really anymore.
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i admit freely that i am an American yet you are too ashamed to tell us what country you live in
and I AM the idiot?
simple question...what country do you live in?
if you brag about this so called great country you live in...tell us..which one?
The country I currently live in is nothing spectacular. In some ways it's better than the US, in some ways it's worse. It's definitely got some big problems and it's no paradise. But overall i'm happier here than the US. I have a pretty good life over here.
I'm not settling here for sure though. 6 more months and I'm moving to Vietnam probably.
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Is TA seriously arguing that everyone should be able to drive around without car insurance?
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Shame it's full of intellectually shallow bubble-dwelling fools.
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we developed the MRI machine...think of the lives saved
we developed the LIGHT BULB...your ass woulda been sitting in the dark right now
we developed the small pox vaccine
best damn healthcare on the planet (until now)
we were first on the moon
we were first to develop nukes
we were first to develop stealth
here are more intentions i just googled
phonograph
telephone
radio
television
airplanes
computer
telegraph
sewing machine
artificial heart
bifocals
cotton gin
refridgerator
coffee pot
revolver
safety pin
oil well,
water tower
repeating rifle
roller skates
typewritter
blue jeans
Coca-cola
camera
ALL AMERICAN...your life would be shit or you woulda died of small pox had it not been for USA!
i don't know where you got that list - but it is a fact that scottish inventors invented most of the things on that list.
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Do you have the freedom to use Steroids and smoke a joint with no hassle from the cops?
no....but smoking joints and doing steroids is not really high on my list of priorities
you do realize that you r posting on an AMERICAN site ;D
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Freedom and Democracy in the United States. Don`t make me fucknign laugh.
posting that in caps sure makes more true....
all it does it make you sound bitter :-\
and george carlin WS A COMEDIAN..you present the words of a comedian as PROOF??? lol....i hope u dont breed..o wait...u aren't American...ok feel free to breed just dont come to the USA
...promise?
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Brazilians (and many other countries )have more freedom than Americans , don't be ignorant.
i can run over people in pakistan with my car cause of my dads contacts and no one would come after me...
hell i can walk up to a cop and slap his ass...and he wouldn't do jack shit...
dosen't make it better now does it :-\
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i can run over people in pakistan with my car cause of my dads contacts and no one would come after me...
hell i can walk up to a cop and slap his ass...and he wouldn't do jack shit...
dosen't make it better now does it :-\
Sounds the old west Tox, when you could shoot a mofo and walk away.
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Uh,
Auto Insurance.
I find it hilarious actually. Auto Insurance should be FOR YOUR CAR by choice only. Not for someone else`s car.
and if som eone hits me and dosen't have the $ to fix my car can i beat the bloody crap out of them and then maybe kill them like in brazil?
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and your life wouldve been shit if we hadnt developed penicillin dickhead. seriously what on your list is actually useful
if u r too stupid to understand the usefulness of lets say the internet which you used to type this post ya dumb pos...u cant really be helped...unless of course someone chopped off your balls and kep you from breeding
PS i suppose you are also proud of your education system?- well if you are i suggest you ask for your money back as you made it to adult hood without being able to spell.
O and A levels from Cambridge at the age of 15....next time...pick a fight with an IQ closer to your own size k :-*
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How is it not fair? You can Choose to have your car paid for by an Insurance Company if you want by purchasing, or not.
oh for fucks sake...you r complaining about car insurance when yall dont even have decent roads TO DRIVE CARS ON...nor do you have decent cars ...cause most people r SHIT poor...
and insurance is NEEDED cause most people dont OWN cars..the BANK OWNS their car..and the BANKS deem their investment be protected... but i guess..unlike brazil we dont have tonnes of people walking around with 20k cash in their pockets to buy cars in cash ::)
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Toxic wtf is up your bum lately? Starting pissing matches online, really?
its entertaining really and gets my mind off my lab...
i spend 14 hrs on a multicasting lab without solving...then i come on here and blow off steam ;D
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Is TA seriously arguing that everyone should be able to drive around without car insurance?
No no no no Hulk.....Jezebelle....Je zebelle...NOT TA, they just happen to type in the exact same style.
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The country I currently live in is nothing spectacular. In some ways it's better than the US, in some ways it's worse. It's definitely got some big problems and it's no paradise. But overall i'm happier here than the US. I have a pretty good life over here.
I'm not settling here for sure though. 6 more months and I'm moving to Vietnam probably.
well pigs r happier in shit i guess ;)
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The USA have military bases in europe along the russian borders, made most europeans and ex urss countries their allies and also built their anti balistic shield on their ground , have bases in iraq, afghanistan, are about to destroy the last dictatorial islamist country in the world, iran, they support pakistan, india, support taiwan, have bases in south korea and japan -they also made em their allies- and brainwash the whole world with their TV programs and movies since the birth of TV. They also made the richest oil owners ally with em in the middle east (saudis) . Everyone everywhere in the world want to copy the american way of life, want ot live like em , want to wear the same clothes, want the same house a hd flat screen with garden pool and two or three cars... They re the model to follow for the whole fucking wolrd who has an access to tv, cinema or internet, period.
They re the new global empire and they re unifying the whole world years after years. They re promoting increased multiculturalism, racial mixing and are transforming the world into one giant country where everyone is the same and "equal" -well, social classes will still exist tho- .
They re pacifiers and civilizers. They pacified europe, japan,they ll pacify and civilize the middle east whatever the cost might be. They re uniting the whole fucking earth under the banner of progress. They using all their economic or militray powers to impose their objectives. Most ONU members are the Vassals of the USA, nothing less. All most proeminent scientists from the whole world flee their countries to settle in north america. They re forcing economically russia and china to keep quiet and are waiting for em to collapse internally once their people gain more access to capitalism and freedom. They dont even have to fight em with weapons, the spreading of freedom through the constant domination of the medias will force chineses to knock their dictatorial regime out.
Never, ever on earth has a country been so influential. And never, ever, has that influence been so positive.
Sure not everything is perfect, but any human being wants to become american, i guess it says a lot about the greatness of the USA.
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ToxicAvenger,
Being Pakistani, do you think life in America would have ALWAYS been the greatest thing? I personally don`t think the 20th century would have been kind to you at least up until the 1970s. Keep in mind that YOU TOO would have had to sit at the back of the bus with the blacks and you would NOT have been able to use our WHITES ONLY restaurants and our WHITES ONLY bathrooms. You would also not be allowed to move into our neighborhoods which would relegate you to the poorer areas with your menial job (us Whites would not want you near us nor would we hire you), even if you were qualified. Your ability to make any kind of money is a RECENT aspect of American Society. Liberals and Progressives have made this possible and you want to bite the hand now that has enabled you to feed with your Conservative, Shit-Brained Hogwash. Thats quite all right though, but know that liberal and progressive minded people forced open the door for you and that is THE ONLY reason why you can succeed now in America.
Going back further in the 19th Century and earlier, pure Capitalism would have ensured that you and your ethnicity were nothing more than over worked expendable ditch diggers. You would have been treated as a sub-human. Do you think you could have had ANY modicum of success in America from say, the 1700s to say 1970?
Just when do YOU think America would have been great to you and why? Give me a starting date.
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"Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education, or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages; the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage; neither our wisdom nor our learning; neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country; it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it tells us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans."
-Robert F. Kennedy
Address, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, March 18, 1968.
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jizzabel /true anus are just spoiled morons who got brainwashed by their hippy parents.
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jizzabel /true anus are just spoiled morons who got brainwashed by their hippy parents.
And you know absolutely nothing about American History whatsoever. This goes for the majority of people positing America as always being the greatest country, and then trying to spout their Shit-Brained Conservatism.
This Shit-Brained Conservatism is the VERY reason why America WAS NOT always great and is again rearing its ugly head to keep any sort of continual National,Global and Societal progress from happening.
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And you know absolutely nothing about American History whatsoever. This goes for the majority of people positing America as always being the greatest country, and then trying to spout their Shit-Brained Conservatism.
This Shit-Brained Conservatism is the VERY reason why America WAS NOT always great and is again rearing its ugly head to keep any sort of continual National,Global and Societal progress from happening.
you really hate smart hardworking people that make lotsa $ dontcha?
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you really hate smart hardworking people that make lotsa $ dontcha?
That's because he is neither smart nor hardworking.
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And you know absolutely nothing about American History whatsoever. This goes for the majority of people positing America as always being the greatest country, and then trying to spout their Shit-Brained Conservatism.
This Shit-Brained Conservatism is the VERY reason why America WAS NOT always great and is again rearing its ugly head to keep any sort of continual National,Global and Societal progress from happening.
Sounds like things are tough in High Point.
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you really hate smart hardworking people that make lotsa $ dontcha?
Not at all. I just don`t have much compassion for ignorance.
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you really hate smart hardworking people that make lotsa $ dontcha?
Face it. Not too long ago in America, YOU and YOUR family would have been just another annoying shit-stain in America`s white underwear. (the Conservative-minded ensured that for decades) Stop acting like America has always been some great land of opportunity for everybody.
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Face it. Not too long ago in America, YOU and YOUR family would have been just another annoying shit-stain in America`s white underwear. (the Conservative-minded ensured that for decades) Stop acting like America has always been some great land of opportunity for everybody.
yeah THATS EXACTLY why we moved to America and invested here even while we lived in pakistan in the Regan years and BECAUSE of America we live very comfortabily, IN AMERICA....if i didn't like it...i'd leave...simple
I am proud to say that i love this country....and YOU jizzbucket come across as someone that does not...you ACTIVELY defame America ...even in this thread....so the simple solution is ....LEAVE....guess what..you wont cause...as much of a whiner you r...you KNOW "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET" ;)
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I am proud to say that i love this country....and YOU jizzbucket come across as someone that does not...you ACTIVELY defame America ...even in this thread....so the simple solution is ....LEAVE....guess what..you wont cause...as much of a whiner you r...you KNOW "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET" ;)
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Love it or leave it, bitch.
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yeah THATS EXACTLY why we moved to America and invested here even while we lived in pakistan in the Regan years and BECAUSE of America we live very comfortabily, IN AMERICA....if i didn't like it...i'd leave...simple
I am proud to say that i love this country....and YOU jizzbucket come across as someone that does not...you ACTIVELY defame America ...even in this thread....so the simple solution is ....LEAVE....guess what..you wont cause...as much of a whiner you r...you KNOW "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET" ;)
Wrong.
I love America. Its not Love it or Leave it. Its Love it AND FIX IT!
Again, you owe us Liberals and Progressive minded people a debt of gratitude, we are the sole reason you are able to make a living here without being treated as a shit-stain.
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yeah THATS EXACTLY why we moved to America and invested here even while we lived in pakistan in the Regan years and BECAUSE of America we live very comfortabily, IN AMERICA....if i didn't like it...i'd leave...simple
I am proud to say that i love this country....and YOU jizzbucket come across as someone that does not...you ACTIVELY defame America ...even in this thread....so the simple solution is ....LEAVE....guess what..you wont cause...as much of a whiner you r...you KNOW "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET" ;)
Here , here !! glad you love it here because so do I !!
is America perfect? NO but it's better than most and to whenever people bring up everything wrong with America I recall what Bill Clinton said ' everything wrong with America can be fixed by everything that is right with America '
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i find it funny that someone like jizzabel/true anus is/are shiting on two recently immigrated individuals like myself and toxic. They re not only shitting on immigrants like me and toxic who have much much more recent real life experience about moving from a country,culture, continent, to another, they re also for some reasons shitting on the image of North America -i include canada which is where i live and is only a vassal, the 52th state of the usa-.
I bet I and toxic respect north america more than they do.
Basically, they portray themselves as tolerant individuals when in fact they are just spoiled little brats with a socialo-communists view of the world they didnt even make up themselves but only inherited directly from their hippy parents who ironically must be very wealthy thanks to the capitalistic economic system they ve been living in for the last 5 decades.
Shut your fucking mouth, kids.
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i find it funny that someone like jizzabel/true anus is/are shiting on two recently immigrated individuals like myself and toxic. They re not only shitting on immigrants like me and toxic who have much much more recent real life experience about moving from a country,culture, continent, to another, they re also for some reasons shitting on the image of North America -i include canada which is where i live and is only a vassal, the 52th state of the usa-.
I bet I and toxic respect north america more than they do. Ironic isnt it.
Basically, they should stfu, they have nothign to complain about, they portray themselves as tolerant individuals when in fact they are just spoiled little brats a with socialo-communists view of the world they didnt even make up themselves but only inherited directly from their hippy parents.
Shut your fucking mouth, kids.
But, but, they put cute little "Vote for Obama" shirts on their dogs and went to rallys........ :'(
LOL ;D
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i find it funny that someone like jizzabel/true anus is/are shiting on two recently immigrated individuals like myself and toxic. They re not only shitting on immigrants like me and toxic who have much much more recent real life experience about moving from a country,culture, continent, to another, they re also for some reasons shitting on the image of North America -i include canada which is where i live and is only a vassal, the 52th state of the usa-.
I bet I and toxic respect north america more than they do. Ironic isnt it.
Basically, they should stfu, they have nothign to complain about, they portray themselves as tolerant individuals when in fact they are just spoiled little brats a with socialo-communists view of the world they didnt even make up themselves but only inherited directly from their hippy parents.
Shut your fucking mouth, kids.
Just as I figured. You also have no understanding of America, American History and how its society has evolved to allow you to even come over here and live not like a shit stain.
You come to our country without ever having lived in it and pretend its always been this "beacon of light" and "land of opportunity" you know absolutely NOTHING of its economic history either.
Talk to any black man whose family went from slavery to the sixties to now. They can tell you what life in America has been like. Talk to the families of Irish immigrants who BUILT our country but were treated like expendable trash at the height of unabashed robber baron capitalism. Talk to any Native Americans and see if life has always been a cakewalk for Americas original denizens. I could go on and on and on.
You are new here, at least take some fuckign time and learn about our country so you can have some kind of historical context and appreciation for it.
You love its NEW materialism but yet you know absolutely NOTHING about American society or history. Take your cheap Red White and Blue blinders off and pick up a book and learn something for once about our country.
Are you and Toxic Avengers even Citizens of this country or do you still carry around Green Cards and Visas?
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But, but, they put cute little "Vote for Obama" shirts on their dogs and went to rallys........ :'(
LOL ;D
yeah i remember that one...fucking idiots...stupid attention whores trying to stand out in a crowd cause life has always been too easy for em, so they need to prove something to the whole world, who ironically doesnt give a fuck about them.
i bet true anus only experience of living in europe is when he spent two nights in paris staying at the hilton hotel with mom and dad for a week end when he was 8.
Fact is, if you #### did know what living in europe for some months or years meant you wouldnt say the grass is greener there than it is in north america. This is sheer ignorance and pulling shit out of your ass.
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yeah i remember that one...fucking idiots...
i bet true anus only experience of living in europe is when he spent two nights in paris staying at the hilton hotel with mom and dad for a week end when he was 8.
Fact is, if you #### knew what living in europe for some months or years meant you wouldnt say the grass is greener there than it is in north america. This is sheer ignorance and pulling shit out of your ass.
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I have family that has never left Germany and have been there many times. My mother lived there for over 20 years.
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I have family that has never left Germany and have been there many times. My mother lived there for over 20 years.
HOW INTERESTING.... THEN WHY DONT YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE US AND GO LIVE IN GERMANY THEN IF EUROPE IS SO MUCH BETTER? HAHA, SEE? FUCKING HYPOCRIT.
nice self ownage here.
/end of thread.
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HOW INTERESTING.... THEN WHY DONT YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE US AND GO LIVE IN GERMANY THEN? HAHA, SEE? FUCKING HYPOCRIT.
/end of thread.
Calm. You are having a Meltdown. Its quite all right to admit you have no Historical understanding of America. It was patently obvious that you are new here and have yet to learn anything about its society and how it all came to be. I can recommend a whole slew of American Historical Non-Fiction to read. My shelves are covered with these books. YOU and TOXICAVENGER have A LOT of catching up to do. You may just gain a better appreciation for our country. Its clear that you both do not know very much about it. Please, Please, Please take some time to learn about our great country.
I love America. Love it and Fix it.
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HOW INTERESTING.... THEN WHY DONT YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE US AND GO LIVE IN GERMANY THEN IF EUROPE IS SO MUCH BETTER? HAHA, SEE? FUCKING HYPOCRIT.
nice self ownage here.
/end of thread.
Abeles = Jewish name.
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Abeles = Jewish name.
Yep.
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Wrong.
I love America.
bullshit....you sure dont sound like you do....when confronted with an irrefutable argument the fallback of the weak/stupid is always a complete withdrawl of their original argument...
again, you owe us Liberals and Progressive minded people a debt of gratitude, we are the sole reason you are able to make a living here without being treated as a shit-stain.
doubt it... we brought plenty of $ and smarts to this country...and LIVE here and do nothing but complain about it....
as for some conservatives not liking me for my colour...thats fine by me.....its their right not to like me...as its my right not to like people i choose not to....and stop using the word liberal when its just a disguise for the word socialist which is a disguise for communist
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i find it funny that someone like jizzabel/true anus is/are shiting on two recently immigrated individuals like myself and toxic. They re not only shitting on immigrants like me and toxic who have much much more recent real life experience about moving from a country,culture, continent, to another, they re also for some reasons shitting on the image of North America -i include canada which is where i live and is only a vassal, the 52th state of the usa-.
I bet I and toxic respect north america more than they do.
Basically, they portray themselves as tolerant individuals when in fact they are just spoiled little brats with a socialo-communists view of the world they didnt even make up themselves but only inherited directly from their hippy parents who ironically must be very wealthy thanks to the capitalistic economic system they ve been living in for the last 5 decades.
Shut your fucking mouth, kids.
BINGO! these idiots have never spent time outside their utopia and consider it shit when they have no clue of reality.....i ws on campus the other day and some hippie asked " got a second for the environment" ...i told him to fuck off....and kept walking
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You love its NEW materialism but yet you know absolutely NOTHING about American society or history. Take your cheap Red White and Blue blinders off and pick up a book and learn something for once about our country.
Are you and Toxic Avengers even Citizens of this country or do you still carry around Green Cards and Visas?
i KNOW the history of this country...its BETTER THAN THE HISTORY OF ALMOST ALL OTHER COUNTRIES...kapees?
as for your last question...i moved here at 15 (after a kidnapping attempt on myself and my brother)..i'm 33 now and i've had my citizenship since 1997....i had my greencard about 1 yr after we moved here on a buziness visa..COST OF ALL..around 100k...UNLIKE ALL THE ILLEGALS YOU LIBERAL FUCKS want to allow here for doing JACK SHIT
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i KNOW the history of this country...its BETTER THAN THE HISTORY OF ALMOST ALL OTHER COUNTRIES...kapees?
as for your last question...i moved here at 15 (after a kidnapping attempt on myself and my brother)..i'm 33 now and i've had my citizenship since 1997....i had my greencard about 1 yr after we moved here on a buziness visa..COST OF ALL..around 100k...UNLIKE ALL THE ILLEGALS YOU LIBERAL FUCKS want to allow here for doing JACK SHIT
Fuck, I hate illegals. :(
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we DO have freedom and democracy....
brazil has freedom? freedom like going for a jog at 3 am in the morning? i do it in my neighborhood while studying late nite all the time
Yes we have, more than you. I can go to the beach at night to surf, play soccer or just run.
Can you go to the beach at 3 am? no.
If you want to say that Brazil is a violent place. ok the type of violence we have, you will find everywhere.
The rich countries, including " the greatest" couldn't find a solution for that yet.
But... parents in Brazil can send their kids to school and they don't have to worry, if their kids are going to come back home alive. you know ...school shooting.
We don't need to worry about hijacked planes that will be used to kill thousands of people.
Or bombs,chemical weapons and terror. living with that kind of fear must be something.
If you have democracy and freedom, so why you didn't stopped the bailout plan?
Again, I'm not hating.
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bullshit....you sure dont sound like you do....when confronted with an irrefutable argument the fallback of the weak/stupid is always a complete withdrawl of their original argument...
doubt it... we brought plenty of $ and smarts to this country...and LIVE here and do nothing but complain about it....
as for some conservatives not liking me for my colour...thats fine by me.....its their right not to like me...as its my right not to like people i choose not to....and stop using the word liberal when its just a disguise for the word socialist which is a disguise for communist
What are you talking about? Obviously you have no clue what Socialism or Communism are or else you would not conflate or confuse the two and would not interchangeably use it with the word Liberalism. Just as Conservatism is CERTAINLY NOT interchangeable with Capitalism.
Again, without Progressive Liberalism in all aspects of society being the engine driving the Zeitgiest of American society, you and your entire family would have been relegated to floor sweeper or ditch digger throughout the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of American History. Conservatives have contributed VERY little when it comes to opening doors for the majority of its citizens. Their historical track record is dismal when it comes to equality. Not only have they systematically fought against the working class, they have also not made any real innovation or invented anything worthy of note.(since you love inventions).
You are just recently welcome in our country and it is of no thanks to the past Conservative approach nor to past Conservative ideals.
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toxic your an arab. :) how do you think youd be treated here in america, especially after 9/11, if it werent for liberalism and leftists?
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I wish every day that all these immigrants and lazy fucks who bitch and moan about America get the fuck out and go back to whatever hell hole they came from. More for us!
You'd be hard pressed to find another place on this planet that offers as much free market opportunity as America.
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Yes we have, more than you. I can go to the beach at night to surf, play soccer or just run.
Can you go to the beach at 3 am? no.
Yes we can, what the fuck would make you think other wise? I've literally stayed on the beach/in the water all night long.
But... parents in Brazil can send their kids to school and they don't have to worry, if their kids are going to come back home alive. you know ...school shooting.
Less than 0000000001% of the population has been involved in a school shooting... Considering our population is 307,006,550, odd things like school shootings will happen once or twice. On top of that, consider the fact that we haven't allowed our government to take away our 2nd amendment rights which our extremely important in holding onto your freedom.
We don't need to worry about hijacked planes that will be used to kill thousands of people.
Are you serious?
If you have democracy and freedom, so why you didn't stopped the bailout plan?
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
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I love the US and I wouldn't change it for any other country in the world but saying that USA is the greatest nation on the planet is similar as saying :
.my job is the greatest job on the planet
.my wife is the greatest wife on the planet
.my kid is the greatest kid on the planet.................. .....................
It maybe the greatest to you, get it.
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Yes we can, what the fuck would make you think other wise? I've literally stayed on the beach/in the water all night long.
Less than 0000000001% of the population has been involved in a school shooting... Considering our population is 307,006,550, odd things like school shootings will happen once or twice.
Are you serious?
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
Reality sucks. I love how people just make shit up. Your post owned.
Shit like this reminds me of people who HATE the police. You know the ones, always breaking the law and unable to intergrate themselves into society like everyone else. They don't get it's them not everyone else!
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Reality sucks. I love how people just make shit up. Your post owned.
Shit like this reminds me of people who HATE the police. You know the ones, always breaking the law and unable to intergrate themselves into society like everyone else. They don't get it's them not everyone else!
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Yes because the Police and the Government are ALWAYS correct 100 percent of the time no matter what.
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I wish every day that all these immigrants and lazy fucks who bitch and moan about America get the fuck out and go back to whatever hell hole they came from. More for us!
You'd be hard pressed to find another place on this planet that offers as much free market opportunity as America.
More for you? You don`t even have anything. ???
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Yes because the Police and the Government are ALWAYS correct 100 percent of the time no matter what.
I didn't say that. See, people like you are always LOOKING for something to crusade against. Why not just shit the fuck up and make something out of yourself?
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More for you? You don`t even have anything. ???
Neither do you, mommys boy. ;)
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More for you? You don`t even have anything. ???
As opposed to you? Ha-ha, true Adonis, the internet legend ::)
I mean honestly, who takes you serious. Please keep posting, I could use a good laugh today.
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As opposed to you? Ha-ha, true Adonis, the internet legend ::)
Tell us, what EXACTLY do you have besides debt and a false dream?
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Reality sucks. I love how people just make shit up. Your post owned.
Shit like this reminds me of people who HATE the police. You know the ones, always breaking the law and unable to intergrate themselves into society like everyone else. They don't get it's them not everyone else!
haha, thanks...
It's insanity! The bad areas of Rio De Janeiro make Compton look like Beverly Hills, and he's claiming we don't have the freedom to go to the beach at night for whatever reason? ???
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Tell us, what EXACTLY do you have besides debt and a false dream?
Actually I am more concerned with what you know than what you have, but you seem to be of the opposite ilk.
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I love the US and I wouldn't change it for any other country in the world but saying that USA is the greatest nation on the planet is similar as saying :
.my job is the greatest job on the planet
.my wife is the greatest wife on the planet
.my kid is the greatest kid on the planet.................. .....................
It maybe the greatest to you, get it.
Yep. True dat.
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Tell us, what EXACTLY do you have besides debt and a false dream?
That's not important, Adonis! What's important is you posting a bunch of bullshit and getting the attention you so desperately need. You must be the "expert". The stage is yours, GO!
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haha, thanks...
It's insanity! The bad areas of Rio De Janeiro make Compton look like Beverly Hills, and he's claiming we don't have the freedom to go to the beach at night for whatever reason? ???
Doubtful most of these posters have ever spent time in second and third world countries.
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I didn't say that. See, people like you are always LOOKING for something to crusade against. Why not just shit the fuck up and make something out of yourself?
Kind of like you crusading against yourself- the working class and middle class which you are a part of although you for some reason, think you are not. ;)
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Adonis, can you tell us a little more about which countries in the world afford a person more freedom than the United States. ???
I'm wondering what it's like, because I can literally do just about anything I want here where I live.
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Adonis, can you tell us a little more about which countries in the world afford a person more freedom than the United States. ???
Freedom? What European country or Scandinavian country do you Not have freedom? Americans aren`t the only ones who can lay claim to a country with freedom.
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America is a White Supremacist nation.
look at the history of America.
Kill and Scalped the Indians and took their land
Brought in Africans and used their FREE LABOR to create Wealth of a Country
Freed the Black Americans then supressed them using Jim crowe laws and KKK actions.
Took the Mexicans land...Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, etc.
Imprisoned the Japanese
Killed the Chinese in San Francisco
After WWII, grated G.I loans to Whites only allowing white males to go to school
Granted Government loans to Whites and REDLINED blacks from those loans.
Kept black in ghettos.
Gave welfare to Black women and Children and told the Black man to Beat it.
Causing the black family to fracture during the 1960's.
Killed most of the Black leaders with Charisma, MLK, Malcolm X, Black Panthers.
Reagan Dumped CRACK in the Black community during the 1980's sending black backwards.
CURRENTLY allowing big corporations to impoverish third world countries ....by using cheap labor and paying them 3 cents a hour.
America the Beautiful......if you are a Rich White person.
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Kind of like you crusading against yourself- the working class and middle class which you are a part of although you for some reason, think you are not. ;)
You got it! Tell me more! :o
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Adonis, can you tell us a little more about which countries in the world afford a person more freedom than the United States. ???
I'm wondering what it's like, because I can literally do just about anything I want here where I live.
Also the term "Freedom" is vague and relative. Some countries posses more "freedoms" than the United States. What aspect of Freedom are you talking about?
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Yes we can, what the fuck would make you think other wise? I've literally stayed on the beach/in the water all night long.
Less than 0000000001% of the population has been involved in a school shooting... Considering our population is 307,006,550, odd things like school shootings will happen once or twice. On top of that, consider the fact that we haven't allowed our government to take away our 2nd amendment rights which our extremely important in holding onto your freedom.
Are you serious?
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
It does not matter the percentage. my point is that school shootings happen all the time in America.
And Americans are afraid of that, that type of violence does not happen in Brazil. got it now? ;)
And most of states in America does not allowed you to go the beach at night.your state allows to go, but what about the rest?
That does not happen in Brazil.
And yes... you let the congress bailout the rich people.
Where's your voice?
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There is NO MORE middle class.
It has diminished in EPIC porportions.
It is only Rich and a working class stiff in service positions......fighting over crumbs.
pathetic.
America wants you to believe it is economics....it is GREED from the top 5% that only care about their investment porfolio's and ANY MEANS NECESSARY to get more money........which means impoverishing BILLIONS!!!
of course 98% of these people are White.
when will it stop?
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It does not matter the percentage. my point is that school shootings happen all the time in America. saying...
No they don't. In fact, based on America's population, they happen MUCH-MUCH less than you are insinuating.
And Americans are afraid of that, that type of violence does not happen in Brazil. got it now? ;)
Yes it does. What's Brazil's annual murder rate? And that's the ones they count.
And most of states in America does not allowed you to go the beach at night.your state allows to go, but what about the rest?
This is total horseshit. I live in MA and I can go on my beach anytime I want. What the hell does this have to do with anything?
That does not happen in Brazil.
Brazil is still extremely violent in many places and it's still a third world country (as a whole).
And yes... you let the congress bailout the rich people.
Examples?
Where's your voice?
Why are you always trying to buck establishment and law + order?
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It does not matter the percentage. my point is that school shootings happen all the time in America.
And Americans are afraid of that, that type of violence does not happen in Brazil. got it now? ;)
And most of states in America does not allowed you to go the beach at night.your state allows to go, but what about the rest?
That does not happen in Brazil.
And yes... you let the congress bailout the rich people.
Where's your voice?
The school shooting argument and the Beach argument are not so great ones to make. They don`t really make sense and are not relevant. Nobody is really scared of school shootings nor are they that frequent. The trend has not increased at all throughout history relative to the population.
Also, I don`t know of any beaches on my coast that are closed. You can walk on them 24/7 365 days a year.
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Yes we have, more than you. I can go to the beach at night to surf, play soccer or just run.
Can you go to the beach at 3 am? no.
If you want to say that Brazil is a violent place. ok the type of violence we have, you will find everywhere.
The rich countries, including " the greatest" couldn't find a solution for that yet. But... parents in Brazil can send their kids to school and they don't have to worry, if their kids are going to come back home alive. you know ...school shooting.
We don't need to worry about hijacked planes that will be used to kill thousands of people.
Or bombs,chemical weapons and terror. living with that kind of fear must be something. If you have democracy and freedom, so why you didn't stopped the bailout plan?
Again, I'm not hating.
hey you live in brazil and love your country....great! i live in America and love mine...plus i have all you have there and a few hundred dozen things more. This Jizz bitch LIVES IN AMERICA AND TALKS TRASH ABOUT IT. How would you feel about a brazalian talking trash about brazil WHILE LIVING THERE?
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It does not matter the percentage. my point is that school shootings happen all the time in America.
And Americans are afraid of that, that type of violence does not happen in Brazil. got it now? ;)
And most of states in America does not allowed you to go the beach at night.your state allows to go, but what about the rest?
That does not happen in Brazil.
And yes... you let the congress bailout the rich people.
Where's your voice?
I'm just going to dismiss everything you say in this thread, because you're so very, very, far off...
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haha, thanks...
It's insanity! The bad areas of Rio De Janeiro make Compton look like Beverly Hills, and he's claiming we don't have the freedom to go to the beach at night for whatever reason? ???
Again... pay attention, yes we do have violence in Brazil.
You will find the same type of violence in America or Europe in fact all over the world.
But you will not find. TERROR in Brazil. so tell me.
Whats more violent a country with a typical violence?
Or a country with a typical violence + terror?
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Again... pay attention, yes we do have violence in Brazil.
You will find the same type of violence in America or Europe in fact all over the world.
But you will not find. TERROR in Brazil. so tell me.
Whats more violent a country with a typical violence?
Or a country with a typical violence + terror?
Are you frigging kidding me? Brazil is still a third world country and anyone who has been there for an extended period of time will tell you that. Hell, my Brazilian friends tell me that!
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toxic your an arab. :) how do you think youd be treated here in america, especially after 9/11, if it werent for liberalism and leftists?
Pakistani....have had family in the states for over 60 years....been visiting off and on since i ws a kid...actually lived here in the 80s for 2 years...after 911 happened i went and lived in Ocean City Maryland...by all means a rednecky town back then..NEVER FACED RACISM ....dated a white chick....
o yeah...i did once at a bar...FROM A BLACK DOOD.....and my reply ws ws that i laughed my ass off and said " good for you mean that now you feel like you have someone to shit on"...he got pissed...go figure eh
point being...we MADE MOST OF OUR MONEY IN THE REGAN YEARS...want me to repeat that....soo we got treated just fine....dont confuse me with hispanics and american blacks that cry racism at the drop of a dime ..kapees?
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hey you live in brazil and love your country....great! i live in America and love mine...plus i have all you have there and a few hundred dozen things more. This Jizz bitch LIVES IN AMERICA AND TALKS TRASH ABOUT IT. How would you feel about a brazalian talking trash about brazil WHILE LIVING THERE?
You weren`t even born here. L O L. (not that it really matters as America is a nation of immigrants and being an American is just an abstract idea as you have beautifully proven. its just amusing is all.)
Personally I think you should learn more about our great country and read its illustrious History. You will find it intriguing and also heart-breaking in some areas and other areas will make you upset and many, many will make you proud.
You are a green-horn when it comes to this area which is clearly why you carry on the way you do. At least that is how I rationalize your ignorance.
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This is interesting:
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.aspx
Index of Economic Freedom World Rankings
1 Hong Kong 89.7
2 Singapore 86.1
3 Australia 82.6
8 United States 78.0
and.......
here it comes.......
113 Brazil 55.6
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America the Beautiful......if you are a Rich White person.
And AMERICA IS UGLY only IF you r a ghetto black person....right....now you have a reason to scream racist at the top of your lungs...go ahead..i expect it
i'm brown and i have NO problem with America
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You weren`t even born here. L O L. (not that it really matters as America is a nation of immigrants and being an American is just an abstract idea as you have beautifully proven. its just amusing is all.)
Personally I think you should learn more about our great country and read its illustrious History. You will find it intriguing and also heart-breaking in some areas and other areas will make you upset and many, many will make you proud.
You are a green-horn when it comes to this area which is clearly why you carry on the way you do. At least that is how I rationalize your ignorance.
YOu Liberal girls....YES I WASN'T EVEN BORN HERE jizz bitch :-* ....you claim to be a liberal which accepts everyone and the minute you get backed into a corner you throw that i wasn't born here in my face! typical liberal...a conservative would have congratulated me for being smart enough to move here from the third world
and after living in the 3rd world..unlike you...i KNOW EXACTLY HOW GREAT THIS NATION IS...which having being brought up by your hippy shit parents...you know nothing about.....
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This is interesting:
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.aspx
Index of Economic Freedom World Rankings
1 Hong Kong 89.7
2 Singapore 86.1
3 Australia 82.6
8 United States 78.0
and.......
here it comes.......
113 Brazil 55.6
I love Brasil. It's a wonderful place. Wonderful beaches and hot women.
To claim it's not a third world country over the vast majority of the territory is total horseshit. The qol is not even close to what you find in the US.
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Pakistani....have had family in the states for over 60 years....been visiting off and on since i ws a kid...actually lived here in the 80s for 2 years...after 911 happened i went and lived in Ocean City Maryland...by all means a rednecky town back then..NEVER FACED RACISM ....dated a white chick....
o yeah...i did once at a bar...FROM A BLACK DOOD.....and my reply ws ws that i laughed my ass off and said " good for you mean that now you feel like you have someone to shit on"...he got pissed...go figure eh
point being...we MADE MOST OF OUR MONEY IN THE REGAN YEARS...want me to repeat that....soo we got treated just fine....dont confuse me with hispanics and american blacks that cry racism at the drop of a dime ..kapees?
Reagan had nothing to do with it as he taxed anyone making 100,000 dollars a year (not that anyone in your family ever made that amount) at the highest tax rate. Hope this helps.
Also, do you concede that Pakistani`s would have been treated like a Shit-Stain on the White Underwear of America for the majority of American History?
Do you not realize that Liberalism and Progressive Thought alone has allowed your ethnicity to forge a living here.
Find me some wealthy Pakistani`s in America throughout History. You can`t. They don`t exist until RECENTLY. Are you under the delusion that the United States has ALWAYS been some sort of "beacon" of free market Capitalism for all of its citizens?
Fuckign hell, women have had the right to vote for LESS THAN a Century. Our Country is not exactly steeped in freedom like you think it always has been.
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I love Brasil. It's a wonderful place....but to claim it's not a third world country over the vast majority of the territory is total horseshit.
Same here, I love South America, especially Argentina...
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tout that capitalism is the greatest thing are the ones with nothing to their name but delusional dreams and a perpetual existence in lower middle class all for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep wishing for the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
motherfucking truth
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YOu Liberal girls....YES I WASN'T EVEN BORN HERE jizz bitch :-* ....you claim to be a liberal which accepts everyone and the minute you get backed into a corner you throw that i wasn't born here in my face! typical liberal...a conservative would have congratulated me for being smart enough to move here from the third world
and after living in the 3rd world..unlike you...i KNOW EXACTLY HOW GREAT THIS NATION IS...which having being brought up by your hippy shit parents...you know nothing about.....
Did you fail to see what I wrote in the parenthesis? Conservative brains are usually lost when it comes to me being sardonic.
Of course you are an American by law because the card in your wallet says you are. But you know absolutely NOTHING about our great country or its History.
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Same here, I love South America, especially Argentina...
I find it peculiar how Brazilians cringe at the thought of touching any food item with their hands. They are very clean people, which is ob a good thing, but their refusal to eat a burger with their hands is pretty funny.
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Reagan had nothing to do with it as he taxed anyone making 100,000 dollars a year (not that anyone in your family ever made that amount) at the highest tax rate. Hope this helps.
Also, do you concede that Pakistani`s would have been treated like a Shit-Stain on the White Underwear of America for the majority of American History?
Do you not realize that Liberalism and Progressive Thought alone has allowed your ethnicity to forge a living.
Find me some wealthy Pakistani`s in America throughout History. You can`t. They don`t exist until RECENTLY. Are you under the delusion that the United States has ALWAYS been some sort of "beacon" of free market Capitalism for all of its citizens?
Fuckign hell, women have had the right to vote for LESS THAN a Century. Our Country is not exactly steeped in freedom like you think it always has been.
The United States was founded, designed, and built by Whites. It's only natural that in the distant past the United States would have favored Whites.
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hey you live in brazil and love your country....great! i live in America and love mine...plus i have all you have there and a few hundred dozen things more. This Jizz bitch LIVES IN AMERICA AND TALKS TRASH ABOUT IT. How would you feel about a brazalian talking trash about brazil WHILE LIVING THERE?
First of all... you're not American born.
Being a citizen is like, your biologic mother you care her genes.
America its not your biologic mother, America adopted you.
You know the difference. can you run for president? no.
You said that my country has no freedom this and that.
Well you don't need to tell me about how much freedom you have in your country.
And i'm not trashing America, like other countries America has pros and cons. that's it.
There's a saying in Portuguese let me see if i can translate correct.
"Stop cumming with the other guys c*ck."
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The USA has done more good for the world than any other nation.
And to the self-hating Americans - good for you! You do realize that everyone in the world including almost all Canadians want to see you fall right? Are you really so stupid as to support what could lead to the destruction of your nation? The entire ungrateful world hates the USA! I await the day when you are invaded by people will hate you and THEN when no one is there to protect you, you will wish the US military was there to save you. Self-hating fucking fools.
By the way, Canadians are keen to bash the USA but have no problems at all using American technology. ::) Ungrateful pricks.
Shut your fucking "mooth" Canadian. My state National Guard could take your pussy ass country out. Any time we want Canada we'll take it like fresh fish's fruit cup in prison. Canadians = bootleg Americans. Are you the kind of guy that believes in following somethimg blindly, no questions asked?
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First of all... you're not American born.
Being a citizen is like, your biologic mother you care her genes.
America its not your biologic mother, America adopted you.
Only the Indians (Native Americans) carry "American Genes"... The rest of us came from somewhere else.
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Shut your fucking "mooth" Canadian. My state National Guard could take your pussy ass country out. Any time we want Canada we'll take it like fresh fish's fruit cup in prison. Canadians = bootleg Americans. Are you the kind of guy that believes in following somethimg blindly, no questions asked?
We're kin Wiggs, you're my Lamb brother and all.... But I cannot allow you to talk that way to my friend Matt C! Take it back!
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The United States was founded, designed, and built by Whites. It's only natural that in the distant past the United States would have favored whites.
Distant Past? Do you think the 20th Century is the Distant Past? You do realize that Segregation was with us until very recently. Black Wealth is a VERY NEW thing. Hell, hiring Black People and treating them equal is a new thing. My Grandfather was one of the first in North Carolina to pay Black people the same as Whites and this was the Late 1950s-1960s.
Find me some wealthy black people prior to 1970. Or is your answer that Black people just didn`t work hard enough in our wonderful Capitalistic System being the reason you can`t find anyone besides Sammy Davis Junior.
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I love Brasil. It's a wonderful place. Wonderful beaches and hot women.
To claim it's not a third world country over the vast majority of the territory is total horseshit. The qol is not even close to what you find in the US.
Who said that Brazil is not a third world country? I did not.
Yes we are very poor.
But we don't have terror nobody wants to bomb us or hijacked plane to kill us, stuff like that. got it?
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We're kin Wiggs, you're my Lamb brother and all.... But I cannot allow you to talk that way to my friend Matt C! Take it back!
Do you find it abhorrent that Women did not have much Freedom throughout THE MAJORITY of the History of the United States. They have had the Right To Vote for less than a Century. There are people still alive who did not have the right to vote initially.
So much for America being steeped in Freedom with a Capitalistic system freely open to all. ::)
Or is it, women just didn`t work hard enough in our Wonderful system? :-\
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Distant Past? Do you think the 20th Century is the Distant Past? You do realize that Segregation was with us until very recently. Black Wealth is a VERY NEW thing. Hell, hiring Black People and treating them equal is a new thing. My Grandfather was one of the first in North Carolina to pay Black people the same as Whites and this was the Late 1950s-1960s.
Find me some wealthy black people prior to 1970. Or is your answer that Black people just didn`t work hard enough in our wonderful Capitalistic System being the reason you can`t find anyone besides Sammy Davis Junior.
No doubt black people have been treated bad in the United State, it's debatable when they became equals.
Honestly though, it's not something I think about or care about. Personally, I'd never do another person wrong.
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The "Free Market" has only become so via Liberalism and Progressive thought. Conservatives and Conservative thought has only worked AGAINST the "free Market" and only AGAINST opening up the Capitalistic system to everyone.
Hope this helps.
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Do you find it abhorrent that Women did not have much Freedom throughout THE MAJORITY of the History of the United States. They have had the Right To Vote for less than a Century. There are people still alive who did not have the right to vote initially.
So much for America being steeped in Freedom with a Capitalistic system freely open to all. ::)
Or is it, women just didn`t work hard enough in our Wonderful system? :-\
It was a different America back then, and in their (our ancestors eyes) that way made sense.
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No doubt black people have been treated bad in the United State, it's debatable when they became equals.
Honestly though, it's not something I think about or care about. Personally, I'd never do another person wrong.
You should give it a thought and care about it. Afterall, it will help you realize that Conservatism has done nothing but CLOSE DOORS instead of open them. We cannot deny our history, nor should we forget it. EVER.
Capitalism has been a closed door for many all because of lack of Progressive and Liberal ideals and ideas.
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It was a different America back then, and in their (our ancestors eyes) that way made sense.
ANCESTORS ???
This was less than 100 years ago that women were given the right to vote. How long do you think it took for the Capitalistic system to finally be Open freely to them (it didn`t happen over-night)?
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Abeles = Jewish name.
You have problem with Jews Gargamel?
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You should give it a thought and care about it. Afterall, it will help you realize that Conservatism has done nothing but CLOSE DOORS instead of open them. We cannot deny our history, nor should we forget it. EVER.
Capitalism has been a closed door for many all because of lack of Progressive and Liberal ideals and ideas.
I know American history well.
Today, taking my personal interests into account, being economically conservative, and socially liberal makes sense. I'm not debating which group did more to support civil rights for all.
Black people have been mistreated all over the world for a long time, we can go all the way back to Africa with that argument and the fact that as a race they haven't traditionally looked out for their own interests the way whites and other races have.
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ANCESTORS ???
This was less than 100 years ago that women were given the right to vote. How long do you think it took for the Capitalistic system to finally be Open freely to them (it didn`t happen over-night)?
an·ces·tor (nsstr)
n.
1. A person from whom one is descended, especially if more remote than a grandparent; a forebear.
2. A forerunner or predecessor.
3. Law The person from whom an estate has been inherited.
4. Biology The actual or hypothetical organism or stock from which later kinds evolved.
The women's suffrage movement was a great example of American freedom in action, women decided they also wanted the right to vote, they organized, and they change the laws!
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No doubt black people have been treated bad in the United State, it's debatable when they became equals.
Honestly though, it's not something I think about or care about because Im not black. Personally, I'd never do another person wrong.
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Who said that Brazil is not a third world country? I did not.
Yes we are very poor.
But we don't have terror nobody wants to bomb us or hijacked plane to kill us, stuff like that. got it?
Lets get something straight...your insinuation that planes are being hijacked and terrorist acts are being committed on a frequent basis here in America are ignorant and ridiculous. The things you speak of were isolated and very rare incidents. That is a fact. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Your terror comes from within. Your own organized crime syndicates, drug cartels, gangs and kidnappers reek enough havoc on your population.
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The Greatest Myth ever told is that America has ALWAYS been some Free Market Bastion for all who are just simply willing to work and follow rules.
Biggest bullshit story ever, but I see many here fall for it.
The United States of Amnesia will have you believing that Americas "Free Market" Capitalistic system has always been "Free" and Open to all since the beginning of time.
The truth is, its been a big club, and most people haven`t been invited in it. That is until Liberalism and Progressiveness have at least "Freed" the Capitalistic system somewhat.
Don`t ever think for a minute that we have had a completely Free and Fair Economy. Just because you can buy a toaster does not mean you will one day own the toaster company.
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The Greatest Myth ever told is that America has ALWAYS been some Free Market Bastion for all who are just simply willing to work and follow rules.
Biggest bullshit story ever, but I see many here fall for it.
The United States of Amnesia will have you believing that Americas "Free Market" Capitalistic system has always been "Free" and Open to all since the beginning of time.
The truth is, its been a big club, and most people haven`t been invited in it. That is until Liberalism and Progressiveness have at least "Freed" the Capitalistic system somewhat.
Don`t ever think for a minute that we have had a completely Free and Fair Economy. Just because you can buy a toaster does not mean you will one day own the toaster company.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Number_of_Millionaires.gif)
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The Greatest Myth ever told is that America has ALWAYS been some Free Market Bastion for all who are just simply willing to work and follow rules.
Biggest bullshit story ever, but I see many here fall for it.
The United States of Amnesia will have you believing that Americas "Free Market" Capitalistic system has always been "Free" and Open to all since the beginning of time.
The truth is, its been a big club, and most people haven`t been invited in it. That is until Liberalism and Progressiveness have at least "Freed" the Capitalistic system somewhat.
Don`t ever think for a minute that we have had a completely Free and Fair Economy. Just because you can buy a toaster does not mean you will one day own the toaster company.
Wow some of you people are really misguided and have very little free market / economic / common sense regarding business operations.
Okay i get it you are a liberal and think that capitalism is purely greed with insiders having all the wealth. Okay this is true to some degree but look throughout history, dynasties, families of power will most likely always have contacts and people in place to help them succeed to a considerable degree.
However, without the free market capitalism approach we have (granted with all its flaws and inequalities) it is still the best system for increase in wealth and living standards. It is true if you study hard or have the entrepreneurial spirit and desire to succeed (with some luck and probability in your favour) there is no better land in the world than America.
I am from the UK and you point out that you can't just run your own business - well this is completely false. My best friends are Indian and their grandparents came during WWII and worked hard every damn day. Some races have hard work ethic / smarts / and good family structure and support ala old skool white Americans who made America great. I myself created two businesses from nothing with little financing, my brother also did the same and he is not even that smart (in terms of education). The chance to succeed is there, anyone can start a business from the ground up - with a little support structure.
I know the immigrants (Indians) people were dirt poor when they arrived to the UK and through education and entrepreneurial spirit they are now dominate force and have vastly increased wealth. Many of them have started businesses of the ground from nothing, so many people who have desire and a brain can succeed. Others have used their smarts and effort to obtain good degrees and thats why you see so many Indian doctors / accountants / lawyers.
Capitalism has shown its weak points of cronyism / greed / corruption in the past few years but granted it is not a perfect system. Eventually like any structure or organism people will copy the good parts and try to avoid the bad parts and you will and should have a better system in the future. This is how systems work, Asia e.g. India and China are doing just this. They realise American system of capitalism has flaws but also has great strengths, they will mimic these good qualities and try to stem out the weak parts. America however is a mature system and its ability to really change from within without major trauma or damage will not be able to do so.
To say most of these people would have had same impact in liberal or socialist nations (or even communist nations) is absurd. You need to read history of races outside America and see what impact a free system has on the people (look to India and China and their past as prime examples).
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The United States was founded, designed, and built by EUROPEAN Whites. It's only natural that in the distant past the United States would have favored Whites.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Number_of_Millionaires.gif)
You do realize that all these people in all those countries are less than one percent, NOT EVEN one Percent of the population in each respective country.
The Same Percentage about as the occurrence of school shooting you cited and then made fun of JIU JITSU about. ;D
You do realize that according to that graph there are 41,000 Ultra-HNIW (Ultra High Net Worth Individuals) in the United States in a population of 307,000,000
Do the calculation.
This represents 0.013355048859934852 percent of the population. Did you get that? A HUNDREDTH of a percent.
The School Shooting figure is starting to look a bit better. ;D
You oughta refrain from using those kind of numbers to prove a point.
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You do realize that all these people in all those countries are less than one percent of the population in each respective country.
The Same Percentage about as the occurrence of school shooting you cited and then made fun of JIU JITSU about. ;D
You do realize that according to that graph there are 41,000 Ultra-HNIW (Ultra High Net Worth Individuals) in the United States in a population of 307,000,000
Do the calculation.
This represents 0.013355048859934852 percent of the population. Did you get that? A HUNDREDTH of a percent.
The School Shooting figure is starting to look a bit better. ;D
You oughta refrain from using those kind of numbers to prove a point.
My only point was that North America blows the rest of the world away in that respect.
Everyone can't be a millionaire, the world needs ditch diggers too... :o
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Wow some of you people are really misguided and have very little free market / economic / common sense regarding business operations.
Okay i get it you are a liberal and think that capitalism is purely greed with insiders having all the wealth. Okay this is true to some degree but look throughout history, dynasties, families of power will most likely always have contacts and people in place to help them succeed to a considerable degree.
However, without the free market capitalism approach we have (granted with all its flaws and inequalities) it is still the best system for increase in wealth and living standards. It is true if you study hard or have the entrepreneurial spirit and desire to succeed (with some luck and probability in your favour) there is no better land in the world than America.
I am from the UK and you point out that you can't just run your own business - well this is completely false. My best friends are Indian and their grandparents came during WWII and worked hard every damn day. Some races have hard work ethic / smarts / and good family structure and support ala old skool white Americans who made America great. I myself created two businesses from nothing with little financing, my brother also did the same and he is not even that smart (in terms of education). The chance to succeed is there, anyone can start a business from the ground up - with a little support structure.
I know the immigrants (Indians) people were dirt poor when they arrived to the UK and through education and entrepreneurial spirit they are now dominate force and have vastly increased wealth. Many of them have started businesses of the ground from nothing, so many people who have desire and a brain can succeed. Others have used their smarts and effort to obtain good degrees and thats why you see so many Indian doctors / accountants / lawyers.
Capitalism has shown its weak points of cronyism / greed / corruption in the past few years but granted it is not a perfect system. Eventually like any structure or organism people will copy the good parts and try to avoid the bad parts and you will and should have a better system in the future. This is how systems work, Asia e.g. India and China are doing just this. They realise American system of capitalism has flaws but also has great strengths, they will mimic these good qualities and try to stem out the weak parts. America however is a mature system and its ability to really change from within without major trauma or damage will not be able to do so.
To say most of these people would have had same impact in liberal or socialist nations (or even communist nations) is absurd. You need to read history of races outside America and see what impact a free system has on the people (look to India and China and their past as prime examples).
You mean there is Capitalism in Europe too? ???
Huh, thats weird. Who would have thought that.
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The population of Europe is 731,000,000, they're home to only twenty five thousand ultra-HNWI.
0.003419972640218878% of their population.
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You mean there is Capitalism in Europe too? ???
Huh, thats weird. Who would have thought that.
??? Confused what your point? I did not think i had to imply their was capitalism in Europe too. We all know North America and Europe (most of it) has moved in tandem with most of their capitalistic structure.
My point was that the system in USA and Europe has the ability to transform anyone into a wealthy individual and dispel your fact that its only who you know or closed door society.
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Reagan had nothing to do with it as he taxed anyone making 100,000 dollars a year (not that anyone in your family ever made that amount) at the highest tax rate. Hope this helps.
i make almost 90 now working part time :-* and my dad ws/is a millionaire before we moved....and he made that in the 3rd world...here he would have made more....you WERE BORN HERE so WERE YOUR PARENTS.....and you r STILL a shit stain
and we made a LOT in investments, realestate during regan
Also, do you concede that Pakistani`s would have been treated like a Shit-Stain on the White Underwear of America for the majority of American History?
no..they wouldn't have been treated like shit.....sorry..dont buy that....you r an idiot liberal for thinking that
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First of all... you're not American born.
Being a citizen is like, your biologic mother you care her genes.
so you'd rather be like jizz bucket and hate the country i live in....and that born mother analogy....thats a 3rd world analogy...were your parents indian or something...ya hear that analogy in the villages of pakistan :-\
or i got one better..." if you have drank your mothers milk you wouldn't believe that" yeesh...i saw that analogy and i skipped your post
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DO YOU GUYS REALIZE THAT JIZZ BUCKET HAS SPENT AROUND 5 PAGES OF THIS THREAD TRASHING AMERICA AND SUCKING EUROPEAN COCK?
YET SHE LIVES IN AMERICA
DEFINE HYPOCRITE!
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so you'd rather be like jizz bucket and hate the country i live in....and that born mother analogy....thats a 3rd world analogy...were your parents indian or something...ya hear that analogy in the villages of pakistan :-\
After i answer your question about my nationality, you start to saying that i was jealous about America.
So please enlightening us about the freedom and rights of the citizens of your country.
Since Brazilians has more freedom than America and Pakistan citizens .
Nobody is telling you to hate America.
I'm not hating America.
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Lets get something straight...your insinuation that planes are being hijacked and terrorist acts are being committed on a frequent basis here in America are ignorant and ridiculous. The things you speak of were isolated and very rare incidents. That is a fact. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Your terror comes from within. Your own organized crime syndicates, drug cartels, gangs and kidnappers reek enough havoc on your population.
Isolated and very rare? ok.
My point is...organized crime syndicates, drugs and gangs you can find that in America too. plus terrorism and school shootings. the last 2 does not exist in Brazil.
kidnappers you're confusing Brazil with Mexico.
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After i answer your question about my nationality, you start to saying that i was jealous about America.
So please enlightening us about the freedom and rights of the citizens of your country.
Since Brazilians has more freedom than America and Pakistan citizens .
Nobody is telling you to hate America.
I'm not hating America.
You still stuck on page 1 of this thread....i posted after that ok...i'm glad you love your country...and i asked you..how would you feel if someone that ws brazalian born started trashing brazil?
which is exactly what jizz bucket is doing
as for freedom...the lamb on the spit out just got done (greek easter)..soo i cant sit here and write an elaborate post but there is a reason America is considered first world while brazil mahybe 2nd world...
simply put...better quality of life....now there r peseants that like in pakistani villages where there is no terrorism and there r open grasslands and fresh air that consider their life to be better but on the large...they r simply ..wrong..
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You still stuck on page 1 of this thread....i posted after that ok...i'm glad you love your country...and i asked you..how would you feel if someone that ws brazalian born started trashing brazil?
which is exactly what jizz bucket is doing
as for freedom...the lamb on the spit out just got done (greek easter)..soo i cant sit here and write an elaborate post but there is a reason America is considered first world while brazil mahybe 2nd world...
simply put...better quality of life....now there r peseants that like in pakistani villages where there is no terrorism and there r open grasslands and fresh air that consider their life to be better but on the large...they r simply ..wrong..
I ask you about your country. and not America.
Please enlightening us about your country?
Stop avoiding the question.
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I ask you about your country. and not America.
Please enlightening us about your country?
Stop avoiding the question.
i lived 15 years in pakistan....i've lived 18 years in America....i did my growing up and maturing here...
America IS my country....as for pakistan...if i didn't think it ws a shithole i wouldn't have left in the first place now would i?
and what am i trying to avoid again? were your idiot ass trying to trick me into defending pakistan? ::)
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Why does everyone want to come to America = The answer.
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Why does everyone want to come to America = The answer.
BINGO! and the people like this JIZZ girl...as much trash as they talk about America...they will NEVER LEAVE
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And AMERICA IS UGLY only IF you r a ghetto black person....right....now you have a reason to scream racist at the top of your lungs...go ahead..i expect it
i'm brown and i have NO problem with America
Oh, you from pakistan ::)
enough said.
150 million bums...
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I'd venture to guess that a place like Luxembourg or Switzerland has more millionaires than the states, way more per %
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i lived 15 years in pakistan....i've lived 18 years in America....i did my growing up and maturing here...
America IS my country....as for pakistan...if i didn't think it ws a shithole i wouldn't have left in the first place now would i?
and what am i trying to avoid again? were your idiot ass trying to trick me into defending pakistan? ::)
Let me get this straight... a Pakistani guy came to America, now he brags about America like he was an American.
Right there show us that you're not a proud citizen, No matter country you born you should be proud of your country.
Americans born.. yes, they are very proud of their country, like me I'm proud of my country.
You, you are proud of America money, if America goes down tomorrow and Pakistan goes up, you will became proud of Pakistan.
You are nothing but traitor people like you disgust me.
That's why you avoid the question. who's the ass now? ::)
Got go now, i have more important things to do... like to take a sh*t.
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Let me get this straight... a Pakistani guy came to America, now he brags about America like he was an American.
Right there show us that you're not a proud citizen, No matter country you born you should be proud of your country.
Americans born.. yes, they are very proud of their country, like me I'm proud of my country.
You, you are proud of America money, if America goes down tomorrow and Pakistan goes up, you will became proud of Pakistan.
You are nothing but traitor people like you disgust me.
That's why you avoid the question. who's the ass now? ::)
Got go now, i have more important things to do... like to take a sh*t.
He's an American citizen just like I am, what are you talking about?
You've got to be born in a country to fully appreciate it?
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Why does everyone want to come to America = The answer.
99% of people that come to America are uneducated people that couldn't make it in their own country,true story Mr Nobody .
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??? Confused what your point? I did not think i had to imply their was capitalism in Europe too. We all know North America and Europe (most of it) has moved in tandem with most of their capitalistic structure.
My point was that the system in USA and Europe has the ability to transform anyone into a wealthy individual and dispel your fact that its only who you know or closed door society.
Liberalism and Progressive Thought are the ONLY reason why the door of Capitalism has been opened further to more individuals in the United States. Either read some American History or scroll back up and read some of my previous posts regarding Blacks, Woman and anyone other than the White Male prior to about 1970 or so. Capitalism has been a historically closed door system and Liberalism and Progressive Thought is the only thing that has pried that door open.
And BULLSHIT that "Anyone" can become wealthy. If that were fuckign even remotely true there would NOT be such of an income Disparity with so few being wealthy and the overwhelming majority not. You are DEAD WRONG and you proved my point most beautifully. (although you don`t realize it)
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(http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/un_human_development_report_2007.png)
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i make almost 90 now working part time :-* and my dad ws/is a millionaire before we moved....and he made that in the 3rd world...here he would have made more....you WERE BORN HERE so WERE YOUR PARENTS.....and you r STILL a shit stain
and we made a LOT in investments, realestate during regan
no..they wouldn't have been treated like shit.....sorry..dont buy that....you r an idiot liberal for thinking that
Name a Wealthy Pakistani from the 1700s until 1970 or so in THE UNITED STATES.
Whats that?
They DID NOT EXIST.
Ever stop to wonder why?
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Liberalism and Progressive Thought are the ONLY reason why the door of Capitalism has been opened further to more individuals in the United States. Either read some American History or scroll back up and read some of my previous posts regarding Blacks, Woman and anyone other than the White Male prior to about 1970 or so. Capitalism has been a historically closed door system and Liberalism and Progressive Thought is the only thing that has pried that door open.
And BULLSHIT that "Anyone" can become wealthy. If that were fuckign even remotely true there would NOT be such of an income Disparity with so few being wealthy and the overwhelming majority not. You are DEAD WRONG and you proved my point most beautifully. (although you don`t realize it)
How far can you actually open "the door of capitalism"?
What more can we do to help people who can't help themselves?
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Name a Wealthy Pakistani from the 1700s until 1970 or so in THE UNITED STATES.
Whats that?
They DID NOT EXIST.
Ever stop to wonder why?
The bigger question, is why this is relevant to whether or not America currently is the "Greatest Nation on the Planet"?
Has Germany automatically been disqualified from the running of "Greatest Nation on the Planet" because of the millions of innocent people they killed seventy years ago?
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99% of people that come to America are uneducated people that couldn't make it in their own country,true story Mr Nobody .
Yep agreed.
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He's an American citizen just like I am, what are you talking about?
You've got to be born in a country to fully appreciate it?
I wasn't talking to you.
You will know that im talking to you , when i quoted you.. like i did now.
Being proud of your country, is being proud of your family,or being proud of who you are or where you came from.
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Yep agreed.
The illegals are, no doubt. They're the worst of the worst from their country, but don't forget about the millions of professionals that come here from all over the world every year.
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(http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/un_human_development_report_2007.png)
You might want to update your information. Notice the Dramatic Changes from yours (no idea how old your data is) which is outdated to mine which was released 2009 (reads until the year 2007).
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/UN_Human_Development_Report_2009.PNG)
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I wasn't talking to you.
You will know that im talking to you , when i quoted you.. like i did now.
Being proud of your country, is being proud of your family,or being proud of who you are or where you came from.
I realize you weren't talking to me you stupid bastard. :D
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The illegals are, no doubt. They're the worst of the worst from their country, but don't forget about the millions of professionals that come here from all over the world every year.
By the way Eyeball,
The UNITED STATES is number 13 on the Human Development Index Map.
NOT number one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
Norway 0.971 (▲ 1)
Australia 0.970 (▲ 2)
Iceland 0.969 (▼ 2)
Canada 0.966 (▼ 1)
Ireland 0.965 (▬)
Netherlands 0.964 (▬)
Sweden 0.963 (▬)
France 0.961 (▲ 3)
Switzerland 0.960 (▬)
Japan 0.960 (▬)
Luxembourg 0.960 (▼ 3)
Finland 0.959 (▲ 1)
United States 0.956 (▼ 1)
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but don't forget about the millions of professionals that come here from all over the world every year.
You just like to make shit up ,don't you ? ;D
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The illegals are, no doubt. They're the worst of the worst from their country, but don't forget about the millions of professionals that come here from all over the world every year.
We welcome all but the majority are individuals that have nothing and looking for a free ride.
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Let me get this straight... a Pakistani guy came to America, now he brags about America like he was an American.
Right there show us that you're not a proud citizen, No matter country you born you should be proud of your country.
Americans born.. yes, they are very proud of their country, like me I'm proud of my country.
You, you are proud of America money, if America goes down tomorrow and Pakistan goes up, you will became proud of Pakistan.
You are nothing but traitor people like you disgust me.
That's why you avoid the question. who's the ass now? ::)
Got go now, i have more important things to do... like to take a sh*t.
you will NOTE the GREATEST fool is the one who thinks he's free!
He still have that accent and he still RUN from his heritage that he is ASHAMED of...Because Pakistan is nothing to be PROUD about.
He got to be PROUD of being here...Because Pakistan is the LAND OF SHIT & PISS
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By the way Eyeball,
The UNITED STATES is number 13 on the Human Development Index Map.
NOT number one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
Norway 0.971 (▲ 1)
Australia 0.970 (▲ 2)
Iceland 0.969 (▼ 2)
Canada 0.966 (▼ 1)
Ireland 0.965 (▬)
Netherlands 0.964 (▬)
Sweden 0.963 (▬)
France 0.961 (▲ 3)
Switzerland 0.960 (▬)
Japan 0.960 (▬)
Luxembourg 0.960 (▼ 3)
Finland 0.959 (▲ 1)
United States 0.956 (▼ 1)
Two things,
I didn't claim the United States was number one.
Considering the countries of the world range from 0.350 and under to 0.971 we're virtually neck and neck with the top countries of the world.
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We welcome all but the majority are individuals that have nothing and looking for a free ride.
Uh, you don`t get ANY benefits being an illegal citizen. You don`t even get wage protection. Illegal Immigrants also pay taxes but get ZERO benefit from them as they don`t get Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, any type of tax refunds or subsidies and certainly NO welfare.
You have to be a legalized citizen for those things.
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I realize you weren't talking to me you stupid bastard. :D
Two things you might keep with you during this journey called life.
Roots and Wings.
Roots. to remind you who you are, and where do you came from.
Wings. so you can go and explore the world.
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You just like to make shit up ,don't you ? ;D
haha...
1,046,539 people legally became United States Citizens in 2008 alone (which isn't an easy thing to do, look it up).
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Uh, you don`t get ANY benefits being an illegal citizen. You don`t even get wage protection. Illegal Immigrants also pay taxes but get ZERO benefit from them as they don`t get Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, any type of tax refunds or subsidies and certainly NO welfare.
You have to be a legalized citizen for those things.
Well they get away from the shit hole they live in and get jobs here even if they are minimum wage more than twice most earn in like Mexico for example so its a upgrade either way.
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Uh, you don`t get ANY benefits being an illegal citizen. You don`t even get wage protection. Illegal Immigrants also pay taxes but get ZERO benefit from them as they don`t get Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, any type of tax refunds or subsidies and certainly NO welfare.
You have to be a legalized citizen for those things.
Are you claiming that the majority of illegal immigrants contribute more than they take from the United States?
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haha...
1,046,539 people legally became United States Citizens in 2008 alone (which isn't an easy thing to do, look it up).
Yes and they were all professionals ::) .
The current law limits to 65,000 the number of aliens who may be issued a visa or otherwise provided H-1B status each fiscal year .
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Two things,
I didn't claim the United States was number one.
Considering the countries of the world range from 0.350 and under to 0.971 we're virtually neck and neck with the top countries of the world.
Wouldn`t you like to America on the top of that list? I know I would.
The problem with most people is that they are under the Delusion that America is number one in all areas and therefore nothing needs to change. Love it or Leave it VERSUS Love it and Fix It. In fact, since they don`t recognize anything wrong, they cannot see they are in fact engaging in REGRESSIVE politics instead of Progressive.
A lot of Capitalistic/Socialistic Hybrid countries are doing the miracle mile on us. We could be number one perhaps one day, but as long as people keep turning to the Regressive Republicans and Conserva-Dems, we don`t have much chance of being number one in anything. We can only just keep up.
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it's sad when recently immigrated individuals are defending their host nation better than the "natives", says a lot about what the leftist owned medias have done in north america over the past decades with their 24/7 brainwashing of the masses.
All we have in this thread are ignorant lefitsts asking more "rights" and too iresponsible to assume the very few DUTIES that are still left they re not even mature enough to support.
What the fuck do you spoiled son of bitches want ? you re living in the best fucking place in the whole fucking world, and you re still whining, when in fact you re living what our ancestors would consider a god's life.
Obviously the West forgot how to properly educate its youths.
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Wouldn`t you like to America on the top of that list? I know I would.
The problem with most people is that they are under the Delusion that America is number one in all areas and therefore nothing needs to change. Love it or Leave it VERSUS Love it and Fix It. In fact, since they don`t recognize anything wrong, they cannot see they are in fact engaging in REGRESSIVE politics instead of Progressive.
A lot of Capitalistic/Socialistic Hybrid countries are doing the miracle mile on us. We could be number one perhaps one day, but as long as people keep turning to the Regressive Republicans and Conserva-Dems, we don`t have much chance of being number one in anything. We can only just keep up.
Don't get me wrong, I'm the first to admit we've got problem here (look at my posts on the political board) but moving towards the world standard isn't going to do us any good. We need to move in the opposite direction, less government, more personal responsibility.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm the first to admit we've got problem here (look at my posts on the political board) but moving towards the world standard isn't going to do us any good. We need to move in the opposite direction, less government, more personal responsibility.
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it's sad when recently immigrated individuals are defending their host nation better than the "natives", says a lot about what the leftist owned medias have done in north america over the past decades with their 24/7 brainwashing of the masses.
All we have in this thread are ignorant lefitsts asking more "rights" and too iresponsible to assume the very few DUTIES that are still left they re not even mature enough to support.
What the fuck do you spoiled son of bitches want ? you re living in the best fucking place in the whole fucking world, and you re still whining, when in fact you re living what our ancestors would consider a god's life.
Obviously the West forgot how to properly educate its youths.
You don`t know anything about American History as you have noted. You are new here. Take some time and actually educate yourself on our society and how it came to be. If you did so, I am 100 percent sure you wouldn`t make the dull and ignorant statements that you thus far have made. I love the United States, but I see it being overtaken in many areas. We have ground to gain back and with your line of thinking and many more like you is nothing but a roadblock as you are all for the status quo and REGRESSIVE political solutions. (doubtful that you have any considering you know next to nothing regarding American History and its Economic system)
Wake up. You are lucky to be here, don`t continue to drag this country down with your Regressive hackneyed politics.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm the first to admit we've got problem here (look at my posts on the political board) but moving towards the world standard isn't going to do us any good. We need to move in the opposite direction, less government, more personal responsibility.
What in the blue fuck does that mean? Honestly.
Our entire tax structure is broken. As I said many times on the Politics board we need a Socialist Progressive Tax system in my opinion- Repealing all current Federal Taxes and installing a National Sales Tax with no tax on used items and necessities such as food and medicine and leaving States the power to add taxes if they see fit and are passed accordingly.
You aren`t going to get this with the Republican Regressive Party, that I assure you.
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Liberalism and Progressive Thought are the ONLY reason why the door of Capitalism has been opened further to more individuals in the United States. Either read some American History or scroll back up and read some of my previous posts regarding Blacks, Woman and anyone other than the White Male prior to about 1970 or so. Capitalism has been a historically closed door system and Liberalism and Progressive Thought is the only thing that has pried that door open.
And BULLSHIT that "Anyone" can become wealthy. If that were fuckign even remotely true there would NOT be such of an income Disparity with so few being wealthy and the overwhelming majority not. You are DEAD WRONG and you proved my point most beautifully. (although you don`t realize it)
I agree that in any system based on a concept of capitalism is never going to be set in stone. Obviously the more intelligent and more advanced a society becomes the more equality in terms of equal rights for women and equal rights for blacks. This is not only ideas advanced by liberals or progressive thoughts it is simply individuals in a society having rational thought regarding such issues. One does not have to have leftist agenda to think in these terms - these ideas are simply rational and throughout the ages many philosophers and intellectuals have had this same thought process.
In your terms then Gandhi who was pro-equality, liberal and socialist argued everyone should be equal lead India (which historically was a rich kingdom) to a more leftist socialist or even sometimes communist regime. Sure his ideas were ideals of what the human race should think, but in practice and economically they will never advance society. India lay dormant with ridiculous draconian leftist policies for years, until finally a more democratic capitalist approach has been accepted - the results speak for themselves (it is now been one of the fastest growing nations in last 20 years). More people have been lifted out of poverty in last 20 years regardless of the huge disparity and inequality of income amongst the people. In-fact India moving to more right wing policies and capitalist approach has now the largest middle class in the world, yet you argue leftist ideals are great economics.
I am not going to say we don't need progressive thought and yes i agree we need liberals to keep the right wing in any system in check but often their is a tipping point. An equilibrium which is achieved with ideal amount of human rights and equality but which allows for economic growth without excessive legal regulation and red-tape.
Regarding the wealth factor, in the USA or most of Europe: any individual has everything in place to succeed. You obviously don't know many Chinese or Indian immigrants as you would understand completely if you did. Check the statistics for yourself, if Indians who are albeit a new addition to American society are the most successful immigrant group. Some of these people have arrived with no education yet their children have much higher mean and median incomes than the general population. However, you argue you cannot make it?
I think like any liberal and with your ideal pursuit for equality, individuals such as yourself truly believe different genetic tribes or races share the same cerebral function. This is certainly not the case, every race which has evolved in various geographical locations are not going to share the same function. Don't get me wrong with all the PC bullshit nowadays we can't say it but every race has certain factors which aid in their survival or success.
You argue that blacks have been kept behind - well i agree but they are a race which is not destined to be successful in a modern cognitive environment - this is a fact. I have done business in Africa many times and make trips to Nairobi regularly, are you saying the blacks their (black government) are limited or not able to progress. Yet still Indians even in Africa seem to own all the businesses, shops and share the majority of wealth.
I feel America has gone too far with progressive thought and has reached a point where it is no longer economically advantageous. The legal system is fraught with excessive costs and with too much complexity. The white middle class was once a glowing beacon of America has become morally corrupt. Progress for equal rights have led to selfish American women (and men of course) leading to record divorce rates and breakdown of family support structure. Children have become so spoiled they think the world owes them something -you see this will fat, lazy disrespectful youth culture around us. Dumbing down of society though sex obsessed media led to record teenage pregnancies and individuals wanting things they financially are unable to afford. More people are depressed and addicted to certain medications (a pill to wake up, a pill to be happy and a pill to shit).
You now have a legal system and human rights system leading to many municipalities to bankruptcy (of-course anyone can argue for ideal but economics does not work this way). Crime and violent crime as well as gang culture does not seem decline. Simply put all your leftist ideals have actually been adopted by many Countries in Europe and as you can see most these governments are highly indebted. The UK with socialist government (Labour party) has more people working for the government (nealry 50% of poulation) which has allocated our resources so inefficiently and made us so uncompetitive that they are on the verge of losing their AAA rating.
I see the breakdown of society all around me - don't ge me wrong i still believe in America as they have some of the best educational centers in the entire world but i also as economist i see the values in other races which will aid them to progress faster than the US.
Can i ask where you conducting all your economic studies considering you seem to think various political viewpoints will have such advantageous effects on society. To let you know i have done various papers on ideal systems and have an Economic degree from London School of Economics. I also invest money all around the world on these very ideas on the macro conditions and systems adopted by various Countries in the world. Can i ask where you are getting all these profound knowledge and results from in all your typical google search based assumptions?
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Oh, you from pakistan ::)
enough said.
150 million bums...
yeah even in pakistan American blacks have a bad name :-\
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Let me get this straight... a Pakistani guy came to America, now he brags about America like he was an American.
Right there show us that you're not a proud citizen, No matter country you born you should be proud of your country.
did you miss the part where i said there ws a kidnapping attempt on my brother and myself...my brother got shot in the foot and a bullet grazed my dads head....right...its a shithole...
i dont fall for stupid " love the country you were born in" crap...if i did...i'd be a muslim...which i am not....i tend not to follow the herd like yourself...i can think for myself
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Name a Wealthy Pakistani from the 1700s until 1970 or so in THE UNITED STATES.
mhy Aunti Feroza and her Husband moved here in the 1960s...or maybe a bit earlier...
her hubby is head of some american gelogical something..but they r millionaires...all 3 of her children are doctors now
my uncle farooq had an American citizen ship since the 60s ....made a TON of money in America but lived in pakistan...also a millionaire...yanno what he got for living in pakistan (and being friends with Asif Zardari..the current president..former douchebag)....he ws found in his car..gunshot to the head
my grand uncle and his brother BOTH had American citizenships..this is back in the 40s....pre partition of india and pakistan....both made millions doing trade with the brits and kept their $ in American banks..they used to spend as much time in America as they did in pakistan
you just got royalled pwned mizzjizz
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you will NOTE the GREATEST fool is the one who thinks he's free!
He still have that accent and he still RUN from his heritage that he is ASHAMED of...Because Pakistan is nothing to be PROUD about.
He got to be PROUD of being here...Because Pakistan is the LAND OF SHIT & PISS
errr...you r black....pot..kettle...u mm black! :-* at least i couldn't help being born in pakistan....exactly what have American blacks done except whine the loudest and the longest.... :-\
i have plenty of African friends...they feel as i do....actually most wont make friends with American blacks
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errr...you r black....pot..kettle...u mm black! :-* at least i couldn't help being born in pakistan....exactly what have American blacks done except whine the loudest and the longest.... :-\
i have plenty of African friends...they feel as i do....actually most wont make friends with American blacks
alot of us got the afri-blood in our veins. move one r bust a move.
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alot of us got the afri-blood in our veins. move one r bust a move.
i know quite a few Africans that would take offence to that...besides..these folks came to this country merely 20 yrs ago and are now top level engineers...they got shat on being black just like American blacks...BUT the difference?...they asked NO one for a handout (a purely liberal mentality) and worked their asses off and now make great $
this blackstallion douche came after me so now i've jumped on him...watch him hit "report to mod and whine about racism" like a wittle b itch
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did you miss the part where i said there ws a kidnapping attempt on my brother and myself...my brother got shot in the foot and a bullet grazed my dads head....right...its a shithole...
i dont fall for stupid " love the country you were born in" crap...if i did...i'd be a muslim...which i am not....i tend not to follow the herd like yourself...i can think for myself
Poor little b*tch. could you imagine everybody moving to America because of that. lol.
You call stupid " love the country you born in" a crap. because you have no honor and you are ashamed of who you are. but guess what? you can change your past or change that you are a Pakistani.
And like you said your country is nothing but a shit hole.
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you can change your past or change that you are a Pakistani.
good for you hopefully the abbove statement makes you feel good about the FACT that u live in a shithole and i moved out! ;D...I live in the GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET...you keep holding on to your honour there my shithole living fiend...i'll mail you some honour for free if you want....i make plenty on the WC everyday
btw..wasn't GRACI an American living in cali?? :o
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I think like any liberal and with your ideal pursuit for equality, individuals such as yourself truly believe different genetic tribes or races share the same cerebral function. This is certainly not the case, every race which has evolved in various geographical locations are not going to share the same function. Don't get me wrong with all the PC bullshit nowadays we can't say it but every race has certain factors which aid in their survival or success.
Dr. James Watson, "a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA" agrees:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
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No country is "the greatest".
There are lots of awesome countries out there. The USA is definitely a really good one but all of you cuunts who keep insisting it's the best just sound like a bunch of immature idiots. There are some very great things about the USA, but there are also a lot of major problems in the USA and a lot of American people can be rather unsavory.
In every country there are local yocals who say "My country is the best on Earth because of blah, blah, blah." These people are almost always stupid and obnoxious boneheads of relatively low intelligence.
All that nationalism is for morons who like to reduce the world to very simple terms that their little brains can comprehend.
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Dr. James Watson, "a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA" agrees:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
Watson is correct. Our brains are CERTAINLY not identical, blank slates from birth, regardless of race even. A great book to read is The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature by Steven Pinker or How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker.
Watson also posits that perhaps "Jewish Intelligence" accounts for the genetic predisposition for exceptional Intelligence that is rampant among Jews and those with "Jewish Blood".
Lucky me. 8)
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James Watson is a true Getbigger and Anti-Permabulker as well.
"Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you're not going to hire them."- James Watson
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Watson is correct. Our brains are CERTAINLY not identical, blank slates from birth, regardless of race even. A great book to read is The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature by Steven Pinker or How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker.
Watson also posits that perhaps "Jewish Intelligence" accounts for the genetic predisposition for exceptional Intelligence that is rampant among Jews and those with "Jewish Blood".
Lucky me. 8)
I'll definitively check that book out!
Cornelius Vanderbilt is a ggg-grandfather of mine, so I've got a little bit of the Jewish blood as well. :o
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James Watson is a true Getbigger and Anti-Permabulker as well.
"Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you're not going to hire them."- James Watson
hahahahahhahahahahaha
;D
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Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles.
-- James Watson
I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say, "Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose,' but I'm anticipating a good lunch.
-- James Watson 8)
The luckiest thing that ever happened to me was that my father didn't believe in God -- James Watson
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I'll definitively check that book out!
Cornelius Vanderbilt is a ggg-grandfather of mine, so I've got a little bit of the Jewish blood as well. :o
G.W. Vanderbilt is part of Team Bones/Team Adonis/Team Wavelength/Team Eyeball Chambers as well
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G.W. Vanderbilt is part of Team Bones/Team Adonis/Team Wavelength/Team Eyeball Chambers as well
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YES!
THIS IS THE KIND OF MOTIVATION I NEEDED AT THIS POINT IN MY CUT! :o
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USA is the land of opportunity. It has it's problems, like anywhere else. But many millions come to seek a better life, and millions more would love to do so.
My grandfather came over from Ireland in 1932 (the height of the great depression). He lived in one room apt with 3 of his brothers. He worked as a Janitor, getting only 1 day off every two weeks. He put himself through night school to get a diploma, after getting 2 purple hearts in the war finally finished his night school and got a job at the post office and ended up retiring as a GS-15. His kids all went to colleges, and he died knowing that all his kids and grandkids were better off than he was.
His story is not unique in America-it's more of the norm
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good for you hopefully the abbove statement makes you feel good about the FACT that u live in a shithole and i moved out! ;D...I live in the GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET...you keep holding on to your honour there my shithole living fiend...i'll mail you some honour for free if you want....i make plenty on the WC everyday
btw..wasn't GRACI an American living in cali?? :o
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Lets see the way you probably used to stay in America
Got some American girl and married her for papers, a good start... breaking the law.
You came from a shit hole that does not accept you back. you ask for asylum so you are a refuge.
Again foreigners coming to America to suck on Americas breasts.
Do you contribute with anything to make America a better place? no
the only thing you do is to brag about America being the greatest, bragging about that its easy
when you have the Americans doing the hard part. again this is not your country.
Americans the ones born in America yes , they are hard workers
And i take my hats of for the American born people for what they did.
Toxic its easy to try to take credit for what Americans did.
So please stop being arrogant, selfish and ignorant.
Whats the point of moving in to a better country if you continue being stupid and ignorant,
Take this opportunity to learn something positive. since you don't contribute with nothing. to make
America a better place.
Again stop cumming with the other guys c*ck. wake up.
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USA is the land of opportunity. It has it's problems, like anywhere else. But many millions come to seek a better life, and millions more would love to do so.
My grandfather came over from Ireland in 1932 (the height of the great depression). He lived in one room apt with 3 of his brothers. He worked as a Janitor, getting only 1 day off every two weeks. He put himself through night school to get a diploma, after getting 2 purple hearts in the war finally finished his night school and got a job at the post office and ended up retiring as a GS-15. His kids all went to colleges, and he died knowing that all his kids and grandkids were better off than he was.
His story is not unique in America-it's more of the norm
excellent response for those of us who are 1st generation UaSsA born having grad/parent immigrates. it's definitely better than true donkey using his trick's acct as a gimmick and coughing up that standard jewish BS.
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James Watson is a true Getbigger and Anti-Permabulker as well.
"Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you're not going to hire them."- James Watson
James Watson also got tossed off his institution's board for his racist remarks and was utterly dismayed to find that the results of his DNA revealed he had guy in the woodpile. Smart guy, no doubt, but I have the feeling that you'd be wanting to punch his face 5 mins into the cocktail hour.
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.Lets see the way you probably used to stay in America
Got some American girl and married her for papers, a good start... breaking the law.
You came from a shit hole that does not accept you back. you ask for asylum so you are a refuge.
Again foreigners coming to America to suck on Americas breasts.
Do you contribute with anything to make America a better place? no
So please stop being arrogant, selfish and ignorant.
how i came to America...it ws on an L2 business visa. within 1 yr of us having that visa my dad has spent around 700k in cash and bought a (surprise) gas station. Who am i engaged to...to yes an American girl although if i tell her she is white she gets pissed....thats just how Greek people are. Contrubute to making America a better place...yes ...hiring Americans since 1993 and paying tonnes in taxes has made America a better place. I teach IT classes and i have had the privilidge to teach govt ajencies ..and from the ones i CAN mention are the FBI,DISA,Military...so i've helped educate these folks (some of whome r still friends of mine) and they went on to 'places' to serve.
what you described is what YOU WOULD do in desperation to get intpo this country ;)
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G.W. Vanderbilt is part of Team Bones/Team Adonis/Team Wavelength/Team Eyeball Chambers as well
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brutal spongebob taper.
hey adonis, did you come up with a reason for the necessity of sperm and egg for reproduction as it relates to evolving beings?
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brutal spongebob taper.
hey adonis, did you come up with a reason for the necessity of sperm and egg for reproduction as it relates to evolving beings?
I already told you, its NOT necessary for many species of viruses, bacteria, plants and animals. For instance, parthenogenesis in the ALL FEMALE Species (New Mexico Whiptails are all Female ONLY) of the New Mexico Whiptail Lizard. They do not need male sperm whatsoever nor are there any males in the entire Species. They lay fully fertilized eggs by themselves.
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errr...you r black....pot..kettle...u mm black! :-* at least i couldn't help being born in pakistan....exactly what have American blacks done except whine the loudest and the longest.... :-\
i have plenty of African friends...they feel as i do....actually most wont make friends with American blacks
We are not talking about Africans (they have their own issues living in a land with "that accent" and those features - and a family back home dying out rapidly)
No we are talking about your BRAINWASHED/BACKWARDS indian ass. A country that cannot feed its people - which by the way is getting worse.
Pakistan is on the way towards 300 million people by 2050.
Whose going to feed them.
White people?
The American tax payers?
We given your country enough....and yet you continue to make bombs and feud with India over nothing.
At least black people here have a 2000% standard of living better than the average Pakistani.
(spits in thread)
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We are not talking about Africans (they have their own issues living in a land with "that accent" and those features - and a family back home dying out rapidly)
No we are talking about your BRAINWASHED/BACKWARDS indian ass. A country that cannot feed its people - which by the way is getting worse.
Pakistan is on the way towards 300 million people by 2050.
Whose going to feed them.
White people?
The American tax payers?
We given your country enough....and yet you continue to make bombs and feud with India over nothing.
At least black people here have a 2000% standard of living better than the average Pakistani.
(spits in thread)
Oh yeah, like you've contributed anything useful to civilization... ::) ::)
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I'm okay with not requiring people to carry auto insurance.
however, if they get into a wreck and owe you money, and dont have the $ to pay, you should be able to have weekly sexual relations with their womenfolk until they come up with the money.
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I'm okay with not requiring people to carry auto insurance.
however, if they get into a wreck and owe you money, and dont have the $ to pay, you should be able to have weekly sexual relations with their womenfolk until they come up with the money.
That term is really kinda vague. :) :-X
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I'm okay with not requiring people to carry auto insurance.
however, if they get into a wreck and owe you money, and dont have the $ to pay, you should be able to have weekly sexual relations with their womenfolk until they come up with the money.
Or the court could make them your butler.
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tout that capitalism is the greatest thing are the ones with nothing to their name but delusional dreams and a perpetual existence in lower middle class all for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep wishing for the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
well said
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Or the court could make them your butler.
That could be the premise for a tv show. ;D
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I already told you, its NOT necessary for many species of viruses, bacteria, plants and animals. For instance, parthenogenesis in the ALL FEMALE Species (New Mexico Whiptails are all Female ONLY) of the New Mexico Whiptail Lizard. They do not need male sperm whatsoever nor are there any males in the entire Species. They lay fully fertilized eggs by themselves.
interesting you changed your post ::) if you can't answer the question just say you don't know, it won't hurt that badly.
once again, i am not asking about asexual reproduction, but sexual reproduction. adonis, why do 'evolving' or 'evolved' beings -- such as humans need a sperm and egg to unite to reproduce if they didn't in the past?
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http://www.zie.nl/video/algemeen/Amerikanen-doden-onschuldigen-in-Irak-WikiLeaks-Collateral-Murder/m1czl9gfr98o
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interesting you changed your post ::) if you can't answer the question just say you don't know, it won't hurt that badly.
once again, i am not asking about asexual reproduction, but sexual reproduction. adonis, why do 'evolving' or 'evolved' beings -- such as humans need a sperm and egg to unite to reproduce if they didn't in the past?
All organisms on earth are evolving beings. You have no point in your line of questioning whatsoever.
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I'm okay with not requiring people to carry auto insurance.
however, if they get into a wreck and owe you money, and dont have the $ to pay, you should be able to have weekly sexual relations with their womenfolk until they come up with the money.
Yes, just the kind of 240 insight I was looking for!
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Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles.
-- James Watson
I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say, "Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose,' but I'm anticipating a good lunch.
-- James Watson 8)
The luckiest thing that ever happened to me was that my father didn't believe in God -- James Watson
disagreed
G.W. Vanderbilt is part of Team Bones/Team Adonis/Team Wavelength/Team Eyeball Chambers as well
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agreed
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how i came to America...it ws on an L2 business visa. within 1 yr of us having that visa my dad has spent around 700k in cash and bought a (surprise) gas station. Who am i engaged to...to yes an American girl although if i tell her she is white she gets pissed....thats just how Greek people are. Contrubute to making America a better place...yes ...hiring Americans since 1993 and paying tonnes in taxes has made America a better place. I teach IT classes and i have had the privilidge to teach govt ajencies ..and from the ones i CAN mention are the FBI,DISA,Military...so i've helped educate these folks (some of whome r still friends of mine) and they went on to 'places' to serve.
what you described is what YOU WOULD do in desperation to get intpo this country ;)
Let me see if i can put this correct.
My point is there's a difference between a native American, American born and people like you."naturalized citizen"
You call yourself American. can you run for president? no.Do you have the " America genes"? no. only the native Americans have. even eyeball said that. even the Americans know that.
When you despise your home country "like you did" you despise your own people,culture,roots and your family.basically you despise yourself. now... not being proud of yourself how sad is that?
Two of my best friends are Americans they have a Brazilian citizenship they live in Brazil, they love my country.but they tell me all the time my heart is American. you can't change that.
Do they hate Brazil? no, do I hate them? no. do they despise America? no.
And i'm not desperate to move to America. I have a dual citizenship. Hokahey.
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best healthcare on the planet? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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That could be the premise for a tv show. ;D
haha, chimps gets me. But I think the show should be about nothing.... 8)
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Let me see if i can put this correct.
My point is there's a difference between a native American, American born and people like you."naturalized citizen"
You call yourself American. can you run for president? no.Do you have the " America genes"? no. only the native Americans have. even eyeball said that. even the Americans know that.
When you despise your home country "like you did" you despise your own people,culture,roots and your family.basically you despise yourself. now... not being proud of yourself how sad is that?
Two of my best friends are Americans they have a Brazilian citizenship they live in Brazil, they love my country.but they tell me all the time my heart is American. you can't change that.
Do they hate Brazil? no, do I hate them? no. do they despise America? no.
And i'm not desperate to move to America. I have a dual citizenship. Hokahey.
Don't get me wrong about Brazil mi amigo, looks like a neat place that I'll surely travel to some day..
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The American dream is bigger than the American reality.
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Oh yeah, like you've contributed anything useful to civilization... ::) ::)
my people have done more for this fugged up country than your people anyday. :o
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my people have done more for this fugged up country than your people anyday. :o
Yeah? as in what.. ebonics? bastardizing the english language because it was too hard for you to learn?
gangs? selling and getting people hooked on drugs?
crack? well there's one thing black people came up with...
social assistance/welfare ? most of you are on it or in jail
do tell what amazing things black people have done or discovered...
split the atom? uhhh no... put a man on the moon or in space? uhh no.. aviation? no.. anything in the field of science or medicine? uhh no..
why don't you pay a visit to africa where your people still live in mud huts and eat each other (cannibals)
maybe that will open your eyes.
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why don't you pay a visit to africa where your people still live in mud huts and eat each other (cannibals)
How many times did you visit Africa?
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How many times did you visit Africa?
After seeing countless comercials on tv, begging for donations and to sponsor an african child named 'ubuntu' because he has to walk 10 miles every morning to get water for his village, I think I'll pass on visiting that shithole, yourself ?
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After seeing countless comercials on tv, begging for donations and to sponsor an african child named 'ubuntu' because he has to walk 10 miles every morning to get water for his village, I think I'll pass on visiting that shithole, yourself ?
I believe everything I see on TV too...
clueless
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he doesnt need to go to africa, africa came to the US...
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he doesnt need to go to africa, africa came to the US...
x10
Canada just announced last week that they're making it easier for refugees (LOL) to come into the country to attain a 'safe haven' and they're increasing the amount of refugees allowed in by 2500 per year and reducing waiting times and background checks... should be great.. ::) ::)
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Do yourself a favor.
American History 101- Enroll now.
America can be summed as, "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
The morons who always tout that capitalism is the greatest thing are the ones with nothing to their name but delusional dreams and a perpetual existence in lower middle class all for good reason. The upper class would NEVER want you figuring out their secret. Keep wishing for the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to actually believe it.
PLEASE!!!
Capitalism is how the lower/middle class rises up to the upper class. Here's a prime example (see, if you can guess who he is):
He grew up poor, in New Orleans. He wanted to be theatrical plays. Just over a decade ago, he was living his car, flat-broke. But, he finally got the break he needed. His plays grossed over $75 million, before Hollywood even knew who he was.
Since 2005, he has released 9 movies, 5 of which were #1 at the box-office.
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We are not talking about Africans (they have their own issues living in a land with "that accent" and those features - and a family back home dying out rapidly)
No we are talking about your BRAINWASHED/BACKWARDS indian ass. A country that cannot feed its people - which by the way is getting worse.
Pakistan is on the way towards 300 million people by 2050.
Whose going to feed them.
White people?
The American tax payers?
We given your country enough....and yet you continue to make bombs and feud with India over nothing.
At least black people here have a 2000% standard of living better than the average Pakistani.
(spits in thread)
aint it nice when an american black gets to shit on someone else......i guess you need the therapy...go ahead man...get it all out...
at least pakistan in a 3rd world country...my family ws able to succeed in the 3rd world and then move to a better place....
whats YOUR excuse for being born in the first world and then done jack shit :-\
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PLEASE!!!
Capitalism is how the lower/middle class rises up to the upper class. Here's a prime example (see, if you can guess who he is):
He grew up poor, in New Orleans. He wanted to be theatrical plays. Just over a decade ago, he was living his car, flat-broke. But, he finally got the break he needed. His plays grossed over $75 million, before Hollywood even knew who he was.
Since 2005, he has released 9 movies, 5 of which were #1 at the box-office.
exactly. Those spoiled brats who shit on their own country, society, political and economical systems make me want to puke. They cant do shit when they have everything and feel frustrated. They have too much of everything and dont have to work for anything, they re "giant babies" , immature individuals who have been so cuddled they couldnt survive by themselves. Send em in africa and russia if they re so fond of socialism, communism and their "natural roots"...
they wouldnt fucking last a week there. Sheer ignorance.
aint it nice when an american black gets to shit on someone else......i guess you need the therapy...go ahead man...get it all out...
at least pakistan in a 3rd world country...my family ws able to succeed in the 3rd world and then move to a better place....
whats YOUR excuse for being born in the first world and then done jack shit :-\
ouch, easy: his parents and himself are less competitive, smart, educated than you and your parents. He's angry, you re proud. Natural selection.
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: warning to liberals > may cause spontaneous whining :
Fuck off, Paki dirtbag.
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After seeing countless comercials on tv, begging for donations and to sponsor an african child named 'ubuntu' because he has to walk 10 miles every morning to get water for his village, I think I'll pass on visiting that shithole, yourself ?
'Dear Ndugu. My name is Warren R. Schmidt, and I am your new foster father.'
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Always brings a tear to my eye ;D USA USA USA!