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Ok Fellas it's on!!!Who ya got?Who ya like?Who ya hate?
2009-2010 Conference Regular Season Standings(as of april 7th)
Eastern Conference
Eastern W L PCT GB CONF DIV HOME ROAD L 10 STREAK
Cleveland1 61 17 0.782 0.0 38-10 12-2 35-4 26-13 8-2 W 1
Orlando2 54 23 0.701 6.5 34-13 9-6 31-7 23-16 7-3 W 1
Atlanta3 49 28 0.636 11.5 28-19 7-8 32-7 17-21 6-4 L 1
Boston4 48 29 0.623 12.5 31-16 12-3 24-15 24-14 5-5 L 1
Milwaukee543 34 0.558 17.5 28-19 10-6 27-11 16-23 6-4 W 2
Miami6 43 34 0.558 17.5 28-19 9-7 22-16 21-18 8-2 W 8
Charlotte7 41 36 0.532 19.5 25-24 10-6 30-9 11-27 6-4 W 1
Toronto8 38 39 0.494 22.5 27-20 10-4 24-14 14-25 5-5 L 2
Western Conference
Western W L PCT GB CONF DIV HOME ROAD L 10 STREAK
L.A. Lakers55 22 0.714 0.0 33-14 12-2 33-6 22-16 6-4 L 1
Utah2 51 27 0.654 4.5 29-19 8-8 32-8 19-19 7-3 W 1
Dallas3 50 27 0.649 5.0 28-19 8-6 26-13 24-14 5-5 L 2
Phoenix4 50 27 0.649 5.0 31-16 12-4 29-9 21-18 9-1 L 1
Denver5 50 27 0.649 5.0 31-16 11-4 32-6 18-21 5-5 W 2
SanAntonio 48 29 0.623 7.0 29-18 9-5 28-11 20-18 7-3 W 4
Oklahoma7 48 29 0.623 7.0 26-21 9-5 25-13 23-16 6-4 L 1
Portland8 47 30 0.610 8.0 30-17 7-8 25-13 22-17 8-2 W 1
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western conf is a cluster fuck...2 & 3 games separate seeds 2 threw 8...
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Lakers all the way once they wake up.
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Lakers all the way once they wake up.
Only if the Cavs don't make it to the finals....If the Cavs are in stick a fork in the Lakers....
would be a great story though...with shaq and Kobe...and Lebron goin for his first championship...It's what I'm rooting for any other teams in the finals would be a disappointment to me...
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Only if the Cavs don't make it to the finals....If the Cavs are in stick a fork in the Lakers....
would be a great story though...with shaq and Kobe...and Lebron goin for his first championship...It's what I'm rooting for any other teams in the finals would be a disappointment to me...
Lakers have no fear of anyone but themselves. Lebron is just a ticket seller as is THE BIG MAN. Kobe knows what he wants and how to get it. So whoever wants some Cavs, Celts, Wizards whoever!
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Lakers will repeat.
No way Cleveland comes close. Orlando or Atlanta will bounce them out.
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Lakers will repeat.
No way Cleveland comes close. Orlando or Atlanta will bounce them out.
I hope not I put a $100 on the cavs to win it all before the season started and got 7/1 odds which to me was a no brainer haha a chance to win $700 bucks and only out $100 if I'm wrong....(but I won't be wrong)
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Lakers have no fear of anyone but themselves. Lebron is just a ticket seller as is THE BIG MAN. Kobe knows what he wants and how to get it. So whoever wants some Cavs, Celts, Wizards whoever!
your forgetting Jamison,Mo,Andy,and big Z...with shaq back and king james.Plus home court threw out!..forget about it...it's curtains for all other teams...
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I think LA comes out of the West again, despite being so inconsistent.
I don't think Cleveland gets past Boston or Orlando.
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I'm a Laker fan so my pick is as Bias'ed as a dead Celtic rookie. ooooops :-\
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I'm a Laker fan so my pick is as Bias'ed as a dead Celtic rookie. ooooops :-\
Classy comment right there. ::) At least try to be original.
Len Bias had all the physical talent in the world to be a Michael Jordan like player. Damn shame what happened to him. Still scars the University of Maryland to this day.
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Classy comment right there. ::) At least try to be original.
Len Bias had all the physical talent in the world to be a Michael Jordan like player. Damn shame what happened to him. Still scars the University of Maryland to this day.
Yeah he died the day of my middle school graduation. But he chose his way of celebrating so we should not depress ourselves with that matter. UMCP has moved on and so should we. Oh he brother got shot at the PG Plaza mall before I left Md. Dangerous place...glad I am safe here in South Central LA. :D
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Ok great thread.
Lakers are slumping but will kick it in gear.
Cavs will annihilate the eastern conference, Orlando will falter i believe. Celtics are done.
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Ok great thread.
Lakers are slumping but will kick it in gear.
Cavs will annihilate the eastern conference, Orlando will falter i believe. Celtics are done.
Tonights game will tell me what do expect from the Lakers in the playoffs.
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Ok great thread.
Lakers are slumping but will kick it in gear.
Cavs will annihilate the eastern conference, Orlando will falter i believe. Celtics are done.
agreed...
your lakers fan...right?
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Tonights game will tell me what do expect from the Lakers in the playoffs.
Not really. Bynum is out. I don't think LA will turn it on till the playoffs.
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Like: NBA of the 1980's.
Hate: NBA of now.
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Like: NBA of the 1980's.
Hate: NBA of now.
Overall, I agree. Those days are long gone. Never coming back.
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Overall, I agree. Those days are long gone. Never coming back.
I miss it. I was a diehard fan in those days, all the way up to the mid 90's, but I just can't get interested in the NBA....still love college ball.
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I miss it. I was a diehard fan in those days, all the way up to the mid 90's, but I just can't get interested in the NBA....still love college ball.
Me too. I has a huge fan. But we've seen a decline in overall team play, fundamentals, loaded teams, etc. I don't think today's players respect the game. You have throwbacks like Kobe, but he's a rare breed these days.
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Me too. I has a huge fan. But we've seen a decline in overall team play, fundamentals, loaded teams, etc. I don't think today's players respect the game. You have throwbacks like Kobe, but he's a rare breed these days.
you call Kobe a throw back?In a ball hog shot happy wilt Chamberlain way I guess...
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Me too. I has a huge fan. But we've seen a decline in overall team play, fundamentals, loaded teams, etc. I don't think today's players respect the game. You have throwbacks like Kobe, but he's a rare breed these days.
Too much money thru their contracts and sneaker deals....they aren't hungry for it. think of themselves a "mogul" instead of a professional athlete. Now its all about dancing around for 5 minutes after a dunk so you can get on sports center......ugggg......
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you call Kobe a throw back?In a ball hog shot happy wilt Chamberlain way I guess...
Really? I don't think so. I hear that a lot, but I really disagree. He is the hardest working player in the NBA. He adds something new to his game every year. One year is was the Tim Duncan off the backboard shot. Another year it was the three pointer. Last year he worked with Hakeem to work on his low post game. He's in the gym three hours before game time to work on his shot. He has been playing nearly the entire season with a broken index finger on his shooting hand. Today's players don't do that.
Plus he leads his team in assists every year from the 2 spot and is first team all NBA defense pretty much every year. He could have played on the 80s Laker teams.
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Really? I don't think so. I hear that a lot, but I really disagree. He is the hardest working player in the NBA. He adds something new to his game every year. One year is was the Tim Duncan off the backboard shot. Another year it was the three pointer. Last year he worked with Hakeem to work on his low post game. He's in the gym three hours before game time to work on his shot. He has been playing nearly the entire season with a broken index finger on his shooting hand. Today's players don't do that.
Plus he leads his team in assists every year from the 2 spot and is first team all NBA defense pretty much every year. He could have played on the 80s Laker teams.
He WAS a ball hog but no one can really say that now. Just becasue he's the one to go to for the WINNING SHOT does not make him a ball hog.
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Overall, I agree. Those days are long gone. Never coming back.
Than go watch the ESPN Classic with my great uncles. But I am a modern guy...why not move fwd. Just let go! ;)
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Really? I don't think so. I hear that a lot, but I really disagree. He is the hardest working player in the NBA. He adds something new to his game every year. One year is was the Tim Duncan off the backboard shot. Another year it was the three pointer. Last year he worked with Hakeem to work on his low post game. He's in the gym three hours before game time to work on his shot. He has been playing nearly the entire season with a broken index finger on his shooting hand. Today's players don't do that.
Plus he leads his team in assists every year from the 2 spot and is first team all NBA defense pretty much every year. He could have played on the 80s Laker teams.
I don't know it sounds to me like you let your personal fanaticism cloud your perception...You make it out like Kobe is the most well rounded player....yea I'm a Cleveland fan but just take the Fan aspect out of it and look at the numbers...
what are some good things to look at to determine a well rounded player?triple doubles is what I would look at first...leborn is in his 7th season and has 28 triple doubles..Kobe in what is it?his 14th season?and has 16 triple doubles..(so LBJ has been in the league half as long yet has almost twice as many triple doubles).Kobe averages 5.3 rebounds & a dismal 4.7 assists.while Lebron averages 7 rebounds & 7 assists per game respectively...Kobe's career points per game 25.3 & field goal % of 0.455..Lebons career PPG 27.8 & field goal % of 0.475....And defense?forget about it Lebron is far Superior..the numbers don't lie and I would suggest Lebron is much closer to the throw back players of yester year...
Yes yes yes....I know Kobe has the rings...but he's also had the teams...This is The cavs and Lebrons year and it will be the first of many...
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I don't know it sounds to me like you let your personal fanaticism cloud your perception...You make it out like Kobe is the most well rounded player....yea I'm a Cleveland fan but just take the Fan aspect out of it and look at the numbers...
what are some good things to look at to determine a well rounded player?triple doubles is what I would look at first...leborn is in his 7th season and has 28 triple doubles..Kobe in what is it?his 14th season?and has 16 triple doubles..(so LBJ has been in the league half as long yet has almost twice as many triple doubles).Kobe averages 5.3 rebounds & a dismal 4.7 assists.while Lebron averages 7 rebounds & 7 assists per game respectively...Kobe's career points per game 25.3 & field goal % of 0.455..Lebons career PPG 27.8 & field goal % of 0.475....And defense?forget about it Lebron is far Superior..the numbers don't lie and I would suggest Lebron is much closer to the throw back players of yester year...
Yes yes yes....I know Kobe has the rings...but he's also had the teams...This is The cavs and Lebrons year and it will be the first of many...
In my book its not about Kobe (though he is the franchise), the Lakers are a team first. They win together and lose together.
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In my book its not about Kobe (though he is the franchise), the Lakers are a team first. They win together and lose together.
theres no denying the storied franchise that is the Laker's...But we were discussing Kobe...
that being said as far as people and the teams they root for...I know plenty of guys that root for the NY Yankees the Boston Celtics and the Pittsburgh steelers..(and I live in Ohio)...now thats just sad and pathetic on so many levels...how bad does someones self esteem have to be that they pick all the most winning teams in each sport to root for....fair weather/front runner fans are the worst...
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agreed...
your lakers fan...right?
Hmmmm, last year i was cause i placed heaps of cash for them to win the western conference and they came through.
I dont really follow the NBA as much as i used to, my personal life is to hectic, but i dont find time to go on espn.com and see where everyones at.
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Right now until post season the Lakers will be on my shit list! >:(
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I don't know it sounds to me like you let your personal fanaticism cloud your perception...You make it out like Kobe is the most well rounded player....yea I'm a Cleveland fan but just take the Fan aspect out of it and look at the numbers...
what are some good things to look at to determine a well rounded player?triple doubles is what I would look at first...leborn is in his 7th season and has 28 triple doubles..Kobe in what is it?his 14th season?and has 16 triple doubles..(so LBJ has been in the league half as long yet has almost twice as many triple doubles).Kobe averages 5.3 rebounds & a dismal 4.7 assists.while Lebron averages 7 rebounds & 7 assists per game respectively...Kobe's career points per game 25.3 & field goal % of 0.455..Lebons career PPG 27.8 & field goal % of 0.475....And defense?forget about it Lebron is far Superior..the numbers don't lie and I would suggest Lebron is much closer to the throw back players of yester year...
Yes yes yes....I know Kobe has the rings...but he's also had the teams...This is The cavs and Lebrons year and it will be the first of many...
If this is a Lebron vs Kobe issue. Lebron loses out considerably. And it's in the mentality. Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan mentally, today. Jordan didn't just want to beat you personally, he wanted to win the game,period. Before Kobe matured, he wanted to just beat you, damn the game. He has that coldness, the stick the dagger in your back and twist it that Lebron ultimately lacks. Stats are one thing, the mentality is another.
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He WAS a ball hog but no one can really say that now. Just becasue he's the one to go to for the WINNING SHOT does not make him a ball hog.
He was never a ball hog. He's a 2 guard and has always been the best scorer on his team. He's supposed to shoot the ball. He has led his team in assists most (if not every) year as a starter.
I doubt his shots per game average is much different than Jordan.
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Than go watch the ESPN Classic with my great uncles. But I am a modern guy...why not move fwd. Just let go! ;)
ESPN Classic is great. So is youtube. I was giving my kids a youtube lesson the other day on Dr. J and a couple other legends.
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I don't know it sounds to me like you let your personal fanaticism cloud your perception...You make it out like Kobe is the most well rounded player....yea I'm a Cleveland fan but just take the Fan aspect out of it and look at the numbers...
what are some good things to look at to determine a well rounded player?triple doubles is what I would look at first...leborn is in his 7th season and has 28 triple doubles..Kobe in what is it?his 14th season?and has 16 triple doubles..(so LBJ has been in the league half as long yet has almost twice as many triple doubles).Kobe averages 5.3 rebounds & a dismal 4.7 assists.while Lebron averages 7 rebounds & 7 assists per game respectively...Kobe's career points per game 25.3 & field goal % of 0.455..Lebons career PPG 27.8 & field goal % of 0.475....And defense?forget about it Lebron is far Superior..the numbers don't lie and I would suggest Lebron is much closer to the throw back players of yester year...
Yes yes yes....I know Kobe has the rings...but he's also had the teams...This is The cavs and Lebrons year and it will be the first of many...
I called Kobe a throwback. You said he wasn't. I gave you some facts to establish he is a throwback. I didn't say anything about comparing him to LeBron.
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If this is a Lebron vs Kobe issue. Lebron loses out considerably. And it's in the mentality. Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan mentally, today. Jordan didn't just want to beat you personally, he wanted to win the game,period. Before Kobe matured, he wanted to just beat you, damn the game. He has that coldness, the stick the dagger in your back and twist it that Lebron ultimately lacks. Stats are one thing, the mentality is another.
I agree. If we are comparing the two, LeBron has a ways to go. He doesn't have Kobe's mental toughness. He doesn't have Kobe's offensive game. He's not a lockdown defender. LeBron is a great player, but he needs a few rings before we start talking about him in the same breath with Kobe.
Kobe took a starting lineup of Kwame Brown, Odom, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker to the playoffs. He has also been to the Finals six times in thirteen years.
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i like orlando to take it this year.
Cleveland has to be the favorite though. They are head and shoulder the best team and lebron is the best player on the planet. Dont forget anderson varejao's all-world flopping skills.
Id also like to see celtics make a run. I like to root for teams who most people will write off.
In the west i like denver. The lakers arent the defensive team they were last year. I think losing ariza hurt them a lot. Artest is not playing the defense most thought he would and hes not exactly lighting up the stat sheet either. I think level headed fans would admit the artest aquisition has been a let down.
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Artest has been very good. Ariza wasn't even a starter. If you watch the Lakers play you'll see Artest playing great defense. He has done a fantastic job and allowed Kobe the freedom to not have to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player. He got schooled by Manu the other day, but overall he has done very well.
His offensive game stinks this year, but that's not why LA signed him.
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Artest has been very good. Ariza wasn't even a starter. If you watch the Lakers play you'll see Artest playing great defense. He has done a fantastic job and allowed Kobe the freedom to not have to the guard the opposing team's best perimeter player. He got schooled by Manu the other day, but overall he has done very well.
His offensive game stinks this year, but that's not why LA signed him.
is artest mentally ready for the finals if the lakers go that far.
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is artest mentally ready for the finals if the lakers go that far.
Yeah I think so. He has really behaved himself. He's a changed man. Knows is role. He's still not quite comfortable in the triangle, but he's solid on the defensive end.
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Yeah I think so. He has really behaved himself. He's a changed man. Knows is role. He's still not quite comfortable in the triangle, but he's solid on the defensive end.
ok, lakers had a so-so reg season, lets see if they can switch it on, there 5-5 in there last 10 games, jordan will never let that happen.
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ok, lakers had a so-so reg season, lets see if they can switch it on, there 5-5 in there last 10 games, jordan will never let that happen.
You know what's funny? I think they had a pretty average year too, but they still have the second best record the NBA and the best record in the Western Conference (which is miles ahead of the East).
I don't like the way they have been cruising, and that could bite them in the playoffs, but I still think they're the team to beat.
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Artest has been very good. Ariza wasn't even a starter. If you watch the Lakers play you'll see Artest playing great defense. He has done a fantastic job and allowed Kobe the freedom to not have to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player. He got schooled by Manu the other day, but overall he has done very well.
His offensive game stinks this year, but that's not why LA signed him.
artest has been playing great defense ?!?!
I guess we watch basketball through a different lens.
Ariza not being a starter is irrelevent..as evidenced by that fat contract he just signed. He played 31 minutes per game in the lakers championship run. Shot 47.6 from three. 49.7 from the field, while guarding the other teams best perimeter player. And the lakers were too stingy to give ariza a contract he deserved and theyll suffer from it this year.
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artest has been playing great defense ?!?!
I guess we watch basketball through a different lens.
Ariza not being a starter is irrelevent..as evidenced by that fat contract he just signed. He played 31 minutes per game in the lakers championship run. Shot 47.6 from three. 49.7 from the field, while guarding the other teams best perimeter player. And the lakers were too stingy to give ariza a contract he deserved and theyll suffer from it this year.
Yes, we must be seeing different things. I can't speak on a lot of players, but I do watch almost every televised Laker game. What I see night in and night from Artest is great D. Ariza is quicker, but Artest can guard the perimeter and the low post. I bet they average about the same number of steals.
Yes Ariza played very well during the latter part of the playoff run, but he was still a role player. I'm not even sure he averaged double figures.
You're mistaken about Ariza's contract. The Lakers offered him the exact same contract they offered Artest and Ariza signed with Houston for the same money the Lakers had on the table. It was a boneheaded decision by Ariza and his agent to try and demand more money.
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Yes, we must be seeing different things. I can't speak on a lot of players, but I do watch almost every televised Laker game. What I see night in and night from Artest is great D. Ariza is quicker, but Artest can guard the perimeter and the low post. I bet they average about the same number of steals.
Yes Ariza played very well during the latter part of the playoff run, but he was still a role player. I'm not even sure he averaged double figures.
You're mistaken about Ariza's contract. The Lakers offered him the exact same contract they offered Artest and Ariza signed with Houston for the same money the Lakers had on the table. It was a boneheaded decision by Ariza and his agent to try and demand more money.
I never said anything about the contract or that houston gave ariza more.... I said the lakers didnt want to offer him the money he deserved, and he certainly deserved more than artest.
also where are you getting that ariza wasnt a starter? He started every game in the finals. Are you saying because he wasnt a starter in the regular season that his loss doesnt hurt the lakers? Ill go ahead and disagree.
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I never said anything about the contract or that houston gave ariza more.... I said the lakers didnt want to offer him the money he deserved, and he certainly deserved more than artest.
also where are you getting that ariza wasnt a starter? He started every game in the finals. Are you saying because he wasnt a starter in the regular season that his loss doesnt hurt the lakers? Ill go ahead and disagree.
You're losing me. Houston signed Ariza for the same money the Lakers offered. Ariza overestimated his value. He was worth exactly what the Lakers offered, which is what they then gave to Artest. If Ariza was worth more, some other team would have paid him.
I'm getting he wasn't a starter because I watched almost every game and he came off the bench during the regular season and most of the playoffs. His loss hasn't hurt the Lakers because Artest has been a good replacement and played more minutes.
LA finished with the second best record in the NBA and best record in the West last year with Ariza. Did the same thing with Artest this year. They don't look as good this year to me, but that has nothing to do with losing Ariza IMO.
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You're losing me. Houston signed Ariza for the same money the Lakers offered. Ariza overestimated his value. He was worth exactly what the Lakers offered, which is what they then gave to Artest. If Ariza was worth more, some other team would have paid him.
I'm getting he wasn't a starter because I watched almost every game and he came off the bench during the regular season and most of the playoffs. His loss hasn't hurt the Lakers because Artest has been a good replacement and played more minutes.
LA finished with the second best record in the NBA and best record in the West last year with Ariza. Did the same thing with Artest this year. They don't look as good this year to me, but that has nothing to do with losing Ariza IMO.
So your arguent is that because the lakers offered the same as houston thats what his worth was? Thats just plain wrong.
He was absolutely worth more. Lets say for the sake of argument that artest has been a good replacement and he does everything ariza did. (which is wrong.) What is the difference? artest is 31 and ariza is 24. Ariza has so much more potential left. Thats why ariza and his "camp" were upset.
Ariza was worth more plain and simple. He expected the lakers to offer more than houston and they didnt. He had every right to want more and he should have. The fact that houston paid him the same has no releveance really. He pretty much signed with houston because he was pissed off. We'll see who can fill ariza's shoes this year in the playoffs.
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So your arguent is that because the lakers offered the same as houston thats what his worth was? Thats just plain wrong.
He was absolutely worth more. Lets say for the sake of argument that artest has been a good replacement and he does everything ariza did. (which is wrong.) What is the difference? artest is 31 and ariza is 24. Ariza has so much more potential left. Thats why ariza and his "camp" were upset.
Ariza was worth more plain and simple. He expected the lakers to offer more than houston and they didnt. He had every right to want more and he should have. The fact that houston paid him the same has no releveance really. He pretty much signed with houston because he was pissed off. We'll see who can fill ariza's shoes this year in the playoffs.
That's not how you determine what a player is worth. The market dictates worth. No other team in the NBA was willing or able to pay Ariza more than what both LA and Houston offered. You're saying the Lakers should have overpaid Ariza simply because he believed he was worth more than his market value. That's just plain wrong.
He signed with Houston because that was the best offer he could get when LA signed Artest. They only signed Artest after making the same offer to Ariza.
Ariza rejected a deal from the Lakers and then signed with Houston for the same amount of money, to play for a far worse team. Now that was dumb.
But we'll see what happens in the playoffs. I could be wrong, but I'll be very surprised if LA loses because of Artest (or the loss of Ariza).
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BB, man the lakers need something quick, there not slumping there downright awful, I think artest has not helped as much as one would think he would.
Spurs may upset the lakers in the first round
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lakers, cavs, magic
the rest have no chance of winning an nba title
only 4 teams from each conference should make the playoffs, the rest is to collect money from people that like to throw their money away
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lakers, cavs, magic
the rest have no chance of winning an nba title
only 4 teams from each conference should make the playoffs, the rest is to collect money from people that like to throw their money away
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if the Cavs have 2 more players playing very good, then its a lock, lebron will be lebron, but if the role players can get offensive rebounds and make open shots then its a wrap...now lets wait for beach bum to disagree with me :D
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BB, man the lakers need something quick, there not slumping there downright awful, I think artest has not helped as much as one would think he would.
Spurs may upset the lakers in the first round
Yeah they played another lousy game today. I don't see any sense of urgency. I don't like the idea of cruising until the playoffs, but looks like that's what they're doing. Now they've dropped behind Orlando for second best record in the NBA.
Artest did okay defensively again today. I'm sure he'll get comfortable with the offense till next year.
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Cruising into the playoffs?
Kinda like how the Lakers are doing? 6 losses in the last 9 games? Laker faithful are blowing it off because they've wrapped up the conference's top seed awhile ago.
If the Lakers end up playing San Antonio in the first round of the playoffs, look out. lakers better hope Bynum is healthy and ready to go. If not, who guards Duncan? Pau? Not at the risk of collecting cheap fouls. Double teams? Maybe but you better hope the Spurs aern't hitting from outside.
A possible Lakers/Spurs opening playoff series has a lot of intrigue to it. The west is so loaded this year. It looks like all playoff teams will hit 50 wins. Unreal.
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Cruising into the playoffs?
Kinda like how the Lakers are doing? 6 losses in the last 9 games? Laker faithful are blowing it off because they've wrapped up the conference's top seed awhile ago.
If the Lakers end up playing San Antonio in the first round of the playoffs, look out. lakers better hope Bynum is healthy and ready to go. If not, who guards Duncan? Pau? Not at the risk of collecting cheap fouls. Double teams? Maybe but you better hope the Spurs aern't hitting from outside.
A possible Lakers/Spurs opening playoff series has a lot of intrigue to it. The west is so loaded this year. It looks like all playoff teams will hit 50 wins. Unreal.
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I said cruising "until", not cruising "into" the playoffs.
The Spurs will be a tough matchup for anyone. I think they're the only real threat to LA in the West.
Duncan is a shell of his former all world self. Pau dominated him defensively two games ago, twice blocking his shot. Duncan came back the next game and worked Pau. Would be good battle in a seven game series.
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I am so pissed off at the Lakers this year, I won't be mad if they get KO'd of the first rd! >:(
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I am so pissed off at the Lakers this year, I won't be mad if they get KO'd of the first rd! >:(
they wont...they got lucky and got the thunder...had they got the spurs they might have been out in 1st rd..
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they wont...they got lucky and got the thunder...had they got the spurs they might have been out in 1st rd..
Thunder's no picnic either. They can't even beat the Clips for Christ sake! I AM pulling for them but like I said they are on my shit list when they play like crap! They shoot low percentage shots with no one to rebound (just in case)......when all they have to do is go to the hole! Jackson may have to get off his ass and coach this Playoff season!
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I'm not very confident in my Lakers this year. I think they probably lose to Orlando in the finals. :'(
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Made this a sticky.
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I'm not very confident in my Lakers this year. I think they probably lose to Orlando in the finals. :'(
IF they make the FINALS! >:( I am over the loss to the Clips as I know the starters were pulled and we had injuries. But they have played off beat throuh out the whole year. How they won the west, is the fact the West is sorry. Seeing Kobe curse out Gasol tells me this team is out of it. We are great but we aren't playing great! Frustrating!
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IF they make the FINALS! >:( I am over the loss to the Clips as I know the starters were pulled and we had injuries. But they have played off beat throuh out the whole year. How they won the west, is the fact the West is sorry. Seeing Kobe curse out Gasol tells me this team is out of it. We are great but we aren't playing great! Frustrating!
The West is still tough. I think every team in the playoffs won at least 50 games.
The good thing about the seeding is the Mavs v. Spurs in the first round. Glad we get rid of one of them. Hopefully the Mavs knock off the Spurs, because I think LA would have an easier time with Dallas.
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The West is still tough. I think every team in the playoffs won at least 50 games.
The good thing about the seeding is the Mavs v. Spurs in the first round. Glad we get rid of one of them. Hopefully the Mavs knock off the Spurs, because I think LA would have an easier time with Dallas.
I don't even feel safe playing any team in TEXAS!!!!!!! I may have to go to El Segundo and streghten things out! Odom is really the only one I trust right now. Not Kobe not even Gasol and certainly not Farmar!!!!!
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I don't even feel safe playing any team in TEXAS!!!!!!! I may have to go to El Segundo and streghten things out! Odom is really the only one I trust right now. Not Kobe not even Gasol and certainly not Farmar!!!!!
Odom? He hasn't been entirely consistent. Pau has actually played the best ball down the stretch. Farmar doesn't even start. Things don't look too promising right now, but we still have the best player on the planet, so all may not be lost. :)
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Odom? He hasn't been entirely consistent. Pau has actually played the best ball down the stretch. Farmar doesn't even start. Things don't look too promising right now, but we still have the best player on the planet, so all may not be lost. :)
Having Kobe is good but it may be one of those moments where he HAS to get 40 in order for us to win. Odom is full of energy. Gasol seems a bit frustrated by what the refs are allowing and on the plays called. I still say all we have to concentrate on is getting the ball to him in the hole and work off that. Those downtown 3's don't always go in and no one is ever around to rebound! IF we win it all this year, I am taking a long summer vacation....maybe to cancoon!!!!!
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I hope the lakers get bounced out in the 1st round, i dont want to see khloe kardashian more then i have to
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I hope the lakers get bounced out in the 1st round
c'mon dude you don't really think that's even a slight possibility, do you?
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c'mon dude you don't really think that's even a slight possibility, do you?
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unfortunately i dont.
I think if they meet the cavs they will be bounced, i feel kobe's finger is fucked up, he was in a shooting slump for the last 3-4 games...Last year they had a ariza making game winning steals, lets see artest do that.
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I'm not very confident in my Lakers this year. I think they probably lose to Orlando in the finals. :'(
I LOL'ed when I read this...ha ha oh brother...I'm not very confident in my team but yet I already have them going to the finals....
Oh yea and lol to Orlando in finals...as I am that confident in my team...no way cavs don't go to finals...no way no how...yea I'm that confident....
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I LOL'ed when I read this...ha ha oh brother...I'm not very confident in my team but yet I already have them going to the finals....
Oh yea and lol to Orlando in finals...as I am that confident in my team...no way cavs don't go to finals...no way no how...yea I'm that confident....
That's right. I don't see them losing to anyone in the West except San Antonio. I don't think the Cavs will beat Orlando in the Eastern Confernce Finals. And I think the Magic are playing better basketball than the Lakers.
You sounded pretty confident last year, made all sorts of predictions, etc. about the Cavs, so you should really be laughing at yourself. :)
I think it's pretty wide open this year.
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That's right. I don't see them losing to anyone in the West except San Antonio. I don't think the Cavs will beat Orlando in the Eastern Confernce Finals.
haha ok...so your not confident in your team yet you have them going to the finals...you don't find that the least bit ironic?...
You sounded pretty confident last year, made all sorts of predictions, etc. about the Cavs, so you should really be laughing at yourself. :)
yep I was and I did...but as confident as I was last year I'm ten fold more confident this year...In fact if you care to make a wager I'm game...
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The Bobcats will take it all this year ;D
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haha ok...so your not confident in your team yet you have them going to the finals...you don't find that the least bit ironic?...
yep I was and I did...but as confident as I was last year I'm ten fold more confident this year...In fact if you care to make a wager I'm game...
Not ironic at all. I'm fairly confident the Lakers can get to Finals, with the possible exception of losing to the Spurs. I'm not very confident they can win the Finals against Orlando. Nothing ironic about that at all. Just being realistic.
No thanks. I don't bet. And I definitely don't bet money on sports. We have no idea what's going to happen. Too many uncontrollable variables: injuries, slumps, flukes, etc.
The Cavs will have to make a believer out of me. I wasn't impressed last year and I'm not really impressed this year.
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Not ironic at all. I'm fairly confident the Laker's can get to Finals, with the possible exception of losing to the Spurs. I'm not very confident they can win the Finals against Orlando. Nothing ironic about that at all. Just being realistic.
No thanks. I don't bet. And I definitely don't bet money on sports. We have no idea what's going to happen. Too many uncontrollable variables: injuries, slumps, flukes, etc.
The Cavs will have to make a believer out of me. I wasn't impressed last year and I'm not really impressed this year.
1st You keep saying your not confident in them beating Orlando like that is a for gone conclusion Orlando will be the team...2nd so you are confident they beat anyone else in the east?just not Orlando...
3rd I wasn't talking about beting money maybe a Sig/avatar bet....were you have to put what ever avatar I want and what ever message bellow it for a certain time period and vice versa...
and 4th the cavs are not the same team as last year(and how do they not impress u this year)...they have the experience now plus Jamison & shaq....They will make believers out of everyone...you will all be witnesses...
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1st You keep saying your not confident in them beating Orlando like that is a for gone conclusion Orlando will be the team...2nd so you are confident they beat anyone else in the east?just not Orlando...
3rd I wasn't talking about beting money maybe a Sig/avatar bet....were you have to put what ever avatar I want and what ever message bellow it for a certain time period and vice versa...
and 4th the cavs are not the same team as last year...they have the experience now plus Jamison & shaq....They will make believers out of everyone...you will all be witnesses...
1. Nothing is a forgone conclusion. In my opinion, the Cavs will not beat Orlando. I'm not even convinced the Cavs can beat Boston.
2. Yes Orlando is the only team from the East I'm worried about. I think LA would beat Cleveland in a seven game series.
3. No thanks. I would maybe bet on something I have control over (like when I've bet my kids about lifting in the gym), but not when a bunch of prima donnas are playing a game.
4. Yes the Cavs are better this year. They definitely have a chance to win it all.
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1. Nothing is a forgone conclusion. In my opinion, the Cavs will not beat Orlando. I'm not even convinced the Cavs can beat Boston.
2. Yes Orlando is the only team from the East I'm worried about. I think LA would beat Cleveland in a seven game series.
3. No thanks. I would maybe bet on something I have control over (like when I've bet my kids about lifting in the gym), but not when a bunch of prima donnas are playing a game.
4. Yes the Cavs are better this year. They definitely have a chance to win it all.
all I can say is time will tell...I think your in for a rude awakening this year....
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all I can say is time will tell...I think your in for a rude awakening this year....
We'll see. I doubt I'll have a rude awakening, because I'm not making any bold predictions. I'll be surprised if a team other than the Magic, Lakers, or Spurs wins a title.
I've already said the Cavs definitely have a shot to win a title. I just don't think they will.
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We'll see. I doubt I'll have a rude awakening, because I'm not making any bold predictions. What I'll be is surprised if a team other than the Magic, Lakers, or Spurs wins a title.
I've already said the Cavs definitely have a shot to win a title. I just don't think they will.
actually by saying your not confident the lakers will beat orlando in the finals you ARE making bold predictions...you just want it both ways that way if/when your wrong you can say oh i didnt make any predictions...and nice covering your ass by saying the cavs have a shot lol...
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actually by saying your not confident the lakers will beat orlando in the finals you ARE making bold predictions...you just want it both ways that way if/when your wrong you can say oh i didnt make any predictions...and nice covering your ass by saying the cavs have a shot lol...
I said no "bold" predictions. :)
Dude I could care less about saving face on a sports message board. LOL. This is just a fun place to talk sports.
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c'mon dude you don't really think that's even a slight possibility, do you?
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It's sadley possible. When the Lakers are sloppy, they are REALLY sloppy. I hope that won't happen but anything is in the air.
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It's sadley possible. When the Lakers are sloppy, they are REALLY sloppy. I hope that won't happen but anything is in the air.
i think you've been listening to the talking heads overanalyze things too much
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i think you've been listening to the talking heads overanalyze things too much
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No I am just a pissed off fan. I don't like the way LA has played all year. Nothing like last year at all. The bench is totaly gone! Not sure I miss Bynum (aka Bubba) either. :-\
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No I am just a pissed off fan. I don't like the way LA has played all year. Nothing like last year at all. The bench is totaly gone! Not sure I miss Bynum (aka Bubba) either. :-\
Where is Kurt Rambis when you need him?
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Where is Kurt Rambis when you need him?
Getting ready for the draft lottery. :)
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Getting ready for the draft lottery. :)
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;D
Clark Kent! :D
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Where is Kurt Rambis when you need him?
Nothing he could do that Jackson couldn't.
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No surprises on day 1. Hope Bynum is 100 percent today.
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No surprises on day 1. Hope Bynum is 100 percent today.
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:)
He looked very good.
Portland?! :o
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Garnett wtf would do something like that?
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I actually don't fault KG. He was simply trying to help his player and then defended himself when people started grabbing him.
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Garnett wtf would do something like that?
I can't worry about the East till we make the Finals....IF we make the Finals. Same with Hockey.
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I can't worry about the East till we make the Finals....IF we make the Finals. Same with Hockey.
Bobcats will take care of the lakers :D
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Bobcats will take care of the lakers :D
Aren't they in the East? Are they even in the Playoffs? But the Lakers do take little unknow teams lightly.
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Aren't they in the East? Are they even in the Playoffs? But the Lakers do take little unknow teams lightly.
Yes I'm talking for it all bro :D
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Yes I'm talking for it all bro :D
Why not? Well I tried to get a ticket for tonights Kings game but all tix were sold out so I attempted a LAKER ticket and BINGO !!!! My first NBA Playoff game!!!!!!! We better win!
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Why not? Well I tried to get a ticket for tonights Kings game but all tix were sold out so I attempted a LAKER ticket and BINGO !!!! My first NBA Playoff game!!!!!!! We better win!
Cool I used to go to the Hornets all the time in Charlotte NC its nice to see a game.
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Cool I used to go to the Hornets all the time in Charlotte NC its nice to see a game.
My Saints fan buddy is now a big Hortnets fan.....she's p'd at them right now though. She's in the same mood she was in after the Saints first loss last season. Oh she hates the Cowboys also. :D
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My Saints fan buddy is now a big Hortnets fan.....she's p'd at them right now though. She's in the same mood she was in after the Saints first loss last season. Oh she hates the Cowboys also. :D
Thats no buddy man :D
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Cool I used to go to the Hornets all the time in Charlotte NC its nice to see a game.
I lived in Charlotte for awhile,,,went and seen Robert plant and jimmy page in the Charlotte coliseum...lived in rock hill south Carolina as well...
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I lived in Charlotte for awhile,,,went and seen Robert plant and jimmy page in the Charlotte coliseum...lived in rock hill south Carolina as well...
Charlotte's a cool town not too big not too small..where you at now dawg?
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Charlotte's a cool town not too big not too small..where you at now dawg?
Ohio...I get around Columbus mostly but Cleveland as much as possible...Yea I enjoyed Charlotte I lived there in 1996-97 when I was a young gun...
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The kid isn't afraid to stir the pot:
Noah, who drew the ire of Cleveland fans by criticizing the city's lack of downtown activity, had 25 points and 13 rebounds.
Afterward, the most brazen of the Bulls, said he had no regrets about his comments.
"Not at all," Noah said. "You like it? You think Cleveland's cool? I never heard anybody say 'I'm going to Cleveland on vacation.' What's so good about Cleveland?"
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=300419005
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The kid isn't afraid to stir the pot:
Noah, who drew the ire of Cleveland fans by criticizing the city's lack of downtown activity, had 25 points and 13 rebounds.
Afterward, the most brazen of the Bulls, said he had no regrets about his comments.
"Not at all," Noah said. "You like it? You think Cleveland's cool? I never heard anybody say 'I'm going to Cleveland on vacation.' What's so good about Cleveland?"
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=300419005
very ignorant indeed...Yea the flats in Cleveland aren't what they used to be but I could show someone around Cleveland and give them the time of there lives...
there are some little hole in the wall type restaurants that an out of towner might not find that has food that is second to none...Along with some micro brews that are world renowned...(yea there might not be to many hood/thug spots)if thats Noah's idea of a good time
Noah is a arrogant kid that likes to talk about things he don't even know about...
All though I will say this Cleveland is a poor city compairably to most other large city's...If it wasn't for Detroit they might be the poorest large city...economy hit Cleveland hard...
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very ignorant indeed...Yea the flats in Cleveland aren't what they used to be but I could show someone around Cleveland and give them the time of there lives...
there are some little hole in the wall type restaurants that an out of towner might not find that has food that is second to none...Along with some micro brews that are world renowned...(yea there might not be to many hood/thug spots)if thats Noah's idea of a good time
Noah is a arrogant kid that likes to talk about things he don't even know about...
All though I will say this Cleveland is a poor city compairably to most other large city's...If it wasn't for Detroit they might be the poorest large city...economy hit Cleveland hard...
Definitely a dumb thing for him to say.
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who goes to chicago for vacation?
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who goes to chicago for vacation?
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My softball teammate. He owns property there.
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who goes to chicago for vacation?
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Who goes to Pittsburgh for vacation? :-X
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Who goes to Pittsburgh for vacation? :-X
I'll go ahead and out chicago or pittsburgh for vacation spots.
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Who goes to Pittsburgh for vacation? :-X
who goes to dallas?
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My softball teammate. He owns property there.
if he didn't own property there, would he vacation there?
big ben owns property in georgia, who vacations there?
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who goes to dallas?
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Only reg ;D.
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really how many vaction spots are there?
california
florida
hawaii
people tend to want warm tropical weather, often times with a beach for a GOOD (not cheap) vacation, that rules out most places
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really how many vaction spots are there?
california
florida
hawaii
people tend to want warm tropical weather, often times with a beach for a GOOD (not cheap) vacation, that rules out most places
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You are correct Earl I used to go to Mexico beaches until the shit god bad dont want my head cut off or anything.
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really how many vaction spots are there?
california
florida
hawaii
people tend to want warm tropical weather, often times with a beach for a GOOD (not cheap) vacation, that rules out most places
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Exactly...makes Noah's comments absurd unless you have buisness or family in a givin city what takes you anywere?...warm climates are the main vacation spots...
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who goes to dallas?
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People who like steak , BBq and strip clubs !!!!! In other words REAL MEN!
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Only reg ;D.
I have no choice I hate LA but live here and have to get out as much as possible....TAHNK GOD FOR TEXAS! Plus a lot of my family is in Tx.
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really how many vaction spots are there?
california
florida
hawaii
people tend to want warm tropical weather, often times with a beach for a GOOD (not cheap) vacation, that rules out most places
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I used that Dolphins game in 2007 to finally make it out to Florida. It was great out there. South Beach is worth the trip!
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really how many vaction spots are there?
california
florida
hawaii
people tend to want warm tropical weather, often times with a beach for a GOOD (not cheap) vacation, that rules out most places
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Not sure why people come to LA...nothing here but bums and losers! I love LA (I was born here) but I don't like it!
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I have no choice I hate LA but live here and have to get out as much as possible....TAHNK GOD FOR TEXAS! Plus a lot of my family is in Tx.
Get a Greyhound right now man, I been to LA many times go home.
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Get a Greyhound right now man, I been to LA many times go home.
I hate Greyhound. Almost everyone has been to LA ....being there and living there are 2 different things.
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I hate Greyhound. Almost everyone has been to LA ....being there and living there are 2 different things.
I know been there enough to know, maybe get back to Texas man
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I know been there enough to know, maybe get back to Texas man
Trying to, but I can't leave LA for good till I retire in about 12 looooooong years. I still have some love (USC , Kings, Lakers, LMU etc etc ) butthe whole State depresses me. The schedules out.......I am working on the travel plans now. My sis and old friends are in Md. I may got to that openning Redskins game.
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Trying to, but I can't leave LA for good till I retire in about 12 looooooong years. I still have some love (USC , Kings, Lakers, LMU etc etc ) butthe whole State depresses me. The schedules out.......I am working on the travel plans now. My sis and old friends are in Md. I may got to that openning Redskins game.
Good luck reg you are a good guy hopefully it happen for you.
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Good luck reg you are a good guy hopefully it happen for you.
Thanks I try to be. On the way to Staples Lakers Lakers Lakers!
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Missing free throws should be a crime. Kobe missed a pair so did Pau! :P
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Missing free throws should be a crime. Kobe missed a pair so did Pau! :P
Shades of Shaq coming back to haunt them reg.
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Shades of Shaq coming back to haunt them reg.
Yeah no kidding! With Shaq, it was his frame that prevented him from making MOST. With Kobe and company, its proof they don't care. Lamar laughs when he missed his.
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really how many vaction spots are there?
california
florida
hawaii
people tend to want warm tropical weather, often times with a beach for a GOOD (not cheap) vacation, that rules out most places
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There are plenty of other vacation spots, including DC, South Carolina, Vegas, and others.
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Missing free throws should be a crime. Kobe missed a pair so did Pau! :P
Hard to believe, but the weakest part of Kobe's game is hitting free throws in crunch time. He misses an alarming number. :-\
The Thunder blocked 17 shots. :o
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There are plenty of other vacation spots, including DC, South Carolina, Vegas, and others.
still a very small list
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still a very small list
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Actually it's not. Grand Canyon is another. NYC. New Orleans. Etc.
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There are plenty of other vacation spots, including DC, South Carolina, Vegas, and others.
Vegas is always a winner. I go every summer for the USA's.
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Vegas is always a winner. I go every summer for the USA's.
They call Vegas the "Ninth Island" over here. :) When UH plays UNLV in football there are literally more Hawaii fans than UNLV fans in the stadium. At Vegas.
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still a very small list
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You can always head out north East of Penn. Its beutiful up in the Amish area's. My family used to spend Summers there after my Big 33 games in the 80's. Hershey is nice also.
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You can always head out north East of Penn. Its beutiful up in the Amish area's. My family used to spend Summers there after my Big 33 games in the 80's. Hershey is nice also.
X2 been to the Amish country mofo's dont use power.
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X2 been to the Amish country mofo's dont use power.
They don't but its good to go out and learn their culture. They don't harm anyone.
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Actually it's not. Grand Canyon is another. NYC. New Orleans. Etc.
keep going, you might reace 10 out of god knows how many cities in the country ;)
who the hell would want to go to the grand canyon for vacation, or new orleans?
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You can always head out north East of Penn. Its beutiful up in the Amish area's. My family used to spend Summers there after my Big 33 games in the 80's. Hershey is nice also.
your big 33 games?
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keep going, you might reace 10 out of god knows how many cities in the country ;)
who the hell would want to go to the grand canyon for vacation, or new orleans?
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I actually mentioned five states, plus DC that are vacation spots. Virginia is another. Mount Rushmore. Alaska. Two different people from my office recently took vacations to Alaska.
I know lots of people who have gone to the Grand Canyon. And New Orleans? Are you kidding? Mardi Gras? You should get out more. :)
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your big 33 games?
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I played in 1990 my friends played in 87 88 and 89 and 91..I think Ohio plays Penn now but back then Md played Penn.
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I played in 1990 my friends played in 87 88 and 89 and 91..I think Ohio plays Penn now but back then Md played Penn.
what position reg?
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I actually mentioned five states, plus DC that are vacation spots. Virginia is another. Mount Rushmore. Alaska. Two different people from my office recently took vacations to Alaska.
I know lots of people who have gone to the Grand Canyon. And New Orleans? Are you kidding? Mardi Gras? You should get out more. :)
i forgot about mardi gras, and imo you just named a lot of boring vacations
mount rushmore ???
parts of florida
parts of california
hawaii
that's the list
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I played in 1990 my friends played in 87 88 and 89 and 91..I think Ohio plays Penn now but back then Md played Penn.
you must have been an awesome player, where did you play in college?
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you must have been an awesome player, where did you play in college?
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Norfolk State one year. Had to move to LA with my family due to emergency. I played more my freshman yr at NSU more than I got to play at my HS. They Springbrook were playing for the State Title every year. Not many from Springbrook ever made it to the NFL. Shawn Springs may be the only one. There was a lot of talent but all their gpa 's were like 1.6. Our QB went to Harvard but didn't play up there.
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Norfolk State one year. Had to move to LA with my family due to emergency. I played more my freshman yr at NSU more than I got to play at my HS. They Springbrook were playing for the State Title every year. Not many from Springbrook ever made it to the NFL. Shawn Springs may be the only one. There was a lot of talent but all their gpa 's were like 1.6. Our QB went to Harvard but didn't play up there.
Did you ever play A&T from NC?
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i forgot about mardi gras, and imo you just named a lot of boring vacations
mount rushmore ???
parts of florida
parts of california
hawaii
that's the list
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Tha't part of the list. Vacations are not only about fun in the sun.
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Did you ever play A&T from NC?
I think so or was it NC Central we went down to play a couple of Carolina teams though. We were in Div 2. They are FCS now...or is it FBS.
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Tha't part of the list. Vacations are not only about fun in the sun.
after you look at mount rushmore for 5 minutes or so, what do you do next?
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I think so or was it NC Central we went down to play a couple of Carolina teams though. We were in Div 2. They are FCS now...or is it FBS.
NC Central is in Charlotte and A&T is in Greensboro
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NC Central is in Charlotte and A&T is in Greensboro
We played at some school where there were no bleachers!
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We played at some school where there were no bleachers!
LOL standing room only
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LOL standing room only
There was no one standing. UDC, Virginia Union, Delaware St a lot of them were like that. Yet my High School played games at Byrd Stadium (Maryland)!
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after you look at mount rushmore for 5 minutes or so, what do you do next?
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Same thing you do after you've looked at a beautiful ocean for 5 minutes or so. :)
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There was no one standing. UDC, Virginia Union, Delaware St a lot of them were like that. Yet my High School played games at Byrd Stadium (Maryland)!
That had to be cool man I bet you miss it.
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That had to be cool man I bet you miss it.
I've never had time to reflect back to miss it. I am now starting to reflect back to the days I lived overseas in the early 80's. I've met up with old schoolmates via Facebook! But for some reason I havent missed my time in D.C. much. not HS, college, anything! Atleast not for now.
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lets get back to the playoffs.
Cav and bulls, cavs are making a great push to to win this game.
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That had to be cool man I bet you miss it.
:D :D :D
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Kobe bryant - 10fg-29fga for only 24 points....
Gasol, bynum and fisher were combined 18fgs-29fga
WTF, 2 days ago Phil jackson said to kobe "shoot better or shoot less" he did neither, kobe thinks its 2005 again.
Gasol, bynum and fisher played real well today, i dont know why he kept shooting.
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Kobe bryant - 10fg-29fga for only 24 points....
Gasol, bynum and fisher were combined 18fgs-29fga
WTF, 2 days ago Phil jackson said to kobe "shoot better or shoot less" he did neither, kobe thinks its 2005 again.
Gasol, bynum and fisher played real well today, i dont know why he kept shooting.
I am glad I missed most of the game. (Draft was more important) But I warned my co-worker whenever the Lakes are up high at the beginning of a game, they deteriorate through out the rest of the game.
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I am glad I missed most of the game. (Draft was more important) But I warned my co-worker whenever the Lakes are up high at the beginning of a game, they deteriorate through out the rest of the game.
Clearly no endurance.
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Clearly no endurance.
No heart....or less heart than Okla St.
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David Stern is getting on my nerves. Now he his threatening to suspend coaches (probably just Phil Jackson) for criticizing the refs. Just give the refs skirts already. ::)
And Utah. :o They're going to make the Lakers second round matchup (if the get there) much easier. LA would have an easier time with Utah than Denver IMO.
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David Stern is getting on my nerves. Now he his threatening to suspend coaches (probably just Phil Jackson) for criticizing the refs. Just give the refs skirts already. ::)
And Utah. :o They're going to make the Lakers second round matchup (if the get there) much easier. LA would have an easier time with Utah than Denver IMO.
David Stern is starting to sound like the mods on GB ;D
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David Stern is starting to sound like the mods on GB ;D
Not this one. Free speech for everyone. :)
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Not this one. Free speech for everyone. :)
Has David Stern ever picked up a basketball in his life? I hate figure heads
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Has David Stern ever picked up a basketball in his life? I hate figure heads
I doubt it. Also, he's not a figurehead. He's actually making the decisions. "Dictator" is a better description.
I actually like him for the most part. The "don't criticize officials" rule is one of the things I can't stand about Stern and the NBA.
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I doubt it. Also, he's not a figurehead. He's actually making the decisions. "Dictator" is a better description.
I actually like him for the most part. The "don't criticize officials" rule is one of the things I can't stand about Stern and the NBA.
I hate that midget. Now I got you, no regulation over refs whatever they do or say goes that means some asshole that say hates Tim Duncan or anyone they dont like can turn a close game around?
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Lakers got raped tonight, artest is shooting 10% from 3pt land and continues to do so.
there maybe a upset on the horizon.
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I doubt it. Houston took LA to seven games last year. They ran the Lakers off the floor a couple times.
It's not a series till the home team loses.
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i think denver got curbstomped too the other night. That wasnt much of a shocker as was l.a. getting pounded yesterday imo
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Really surprised and impressed by Utah. Down two starters and up three to one on Denver.
Looks like Dallas v. San Antonio will be short series. Watch out for the Spurs.
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Really surprised and impressed by Utah. Down two starters and up three to one on Denver.
Looks like Dallas v. San Antonio will be short series. Watch out for the Spurs.
Utah will take the west.
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carmelo cant do it alone, that team is just hopeless,
as for the lakers, well, u never know, kobe must just be on fire tomorrow and light up the thunder, i cant imagine him struggling for any longer, if anyone can switch it on its kobe.
as for lebron, fuck, triple double today and destroyed the bulls.
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Utah will take the west.
I can't see it. They aren't deep enough, don't shoot the ball well enough, and don't have a center.
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carmelo cant do it alone, that team is just hopeless,
as for the lakers, well, u never know, kobe must just be on fire tomorrow and light up the thunder, i cant imagine him struggling for any longer, if anyone can switch it on its kobe.
as for lebron, fuck, triple double today and destroyed the bulls.
LeBrick had a great game. So did Wade. Outstanding fourth quarter performance with their season on the line.
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LeBrick had a great game. So did Wade. Outstanding fourth quarter performance with their season on the line.
Lebrick? thats not a fair comment BB, its Kobe thats been bricking.
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Lebrick? thats not a fair comment BB, its Kobe thats been bricking.
ha ha...dude gets like his 30th career triple double(and fifth in the playoffs)... shoots a higher field goal percentage(per game or career)than Kobe...takes fewer shots but scores more points but he's Lebrick...makes sense...
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Lebrick? thats not a fair comment BB, its Kobe thats been bricking.
Hey I said he had a great game. :) Wish I was the one who thought of the nickname though. :D
Yes Kobe has been having terrible shooting games, but he does have a broken finger on his shooting hand.
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Hey I said he had a great game. :) Wish I was the one who thought of the nickname though. :D
Yes Kobe has been having terrible shooting games, but he does have a broken finger on his shooting hand.
Kobe's finger Shaq's thumb Romo's pinky wtf >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Kobe's finger Shaq's thumb Romo's pinky wtf >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
They need a forward.
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Kobe's finger Shaq's thumb Romo's pinky wtf >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
One of the differences between Shaq and Kobe: Kobe had a torn ligament in his finger last year and played through it. Has had a broken finger for much of this season and is playing through it. Shaq tore a ligament (or tendon) and had surgery, missing about 25 games. True to form, he got injured on company time and went to rehab on company time.
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They need a forward.
Who? LA? They have one of the best power forwards in the game (Pau Ga-soft).
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Who? LA? They have one of the best power forwards in the game (Pau Ga-soft).
He is more of a center type they need a person like Dwight Howard a play maker to help Kobe
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Kobe's finger Shaq's thumb Romo's pinky wtf >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
ESPN making excuses for kobe before the game starts..i know kobe is a SUPERSTAR but broken finger or not his not lifting his team...
Im sure most players are carrying injuries from a 82 game season, its gruelling.
lets see how Kobe shows up tomorrow, im thinking he will be on fire..and lamar odom wheres he at?
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Who? LA? They have one of the best power forwards in the game (Pau Ga-soft).
Gasol is awesome.
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He is more of a center type they need a person like Dwight Howard a play maker to help Kobe
They already have one of the last back-to-basket centers in Bynum . . . whenever he shows up.
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They already have one of the last back-to-basket centers in Bynum . . . whenever he shows up.
Key statement right there man "whenever he shows up"
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Gasol is awesome.
Yep.
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They already have one of the last back-to-basket centers in Bynum . . . whenever he shows up.
Bynum, that kid is lost, i can imagine his management saying "Fuck this, you got a ring, will take u to a team where your the star, and will get you heaps more endorsements, fuck phil and kobe" like what ariza's management told him
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ESPN making excuses for kobe before the game starts..i know kobe is a SUPERSTAR but broken finger or not his not lifting his team...
Im sure most players are carrying injuries from a 82 game season, its gruelling.
lets see how Kobe shows up tomorrow, im thinking he will be on fire..and lamar odom wheres he at?
Lamar is married so his mid's divided! Its a mess right now....but they better play like LAKERS tomorrow!
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One of the differences between Shaq and Kobe: Kobe had a torn ligament in his finger last year and played through it. Has had a broken finger for much of this season and is playing through it. Shaq tore a ligament (or tendon) and had surgery, missing about 25 games. True to form, he got injured on company time and went to rehab on company time.
actually the difference is the Cavs chose to sit him till the playoffs and had the depth to not mis a beat...To shaqs credit he wanted to come back earlier but management denied him...
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Lamar is married so his mid's divided! Its a mess right now....but they better play like LAKERS tomorrow!
one word reg JAZZ
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one word reg JAZZ
At this point I don't care about anyone but the Lakers! But if they lose this series, I get a long vacation before Dallas comes to Oxnard!
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I'm pulling for the Laker's as well...any other final than the Cav's/Laker's will be a disappointment to me...
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I'm pulling for the Laker's as well...any other final than the Cav's/Laker's will be a disappointment to me...
I'll be pissed but it won't be the first time. I realize this is a totaly different team than last year's!
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I'm pulling for the Laker's as well...any other final than the Cav's/Laker's will be a disappointment to me...
X2 the best entertainment
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I have to give Okla City credit though they have heart and fight!
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Bynum, that kid is lost, i can imagine his management saying "Fuck this, you got a ring, will take u to a team where your the star, and will get you heaps more endorsements, fuck phil and kobe" like what ariza's management told him
His biggest problem is getting hurt three out of the last three years. I'm starting to question his heart.
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actually the difference is the Cavs chose to sit him till the playoffs and had the depth to not mis a beat...To shaqs credit he wanted to come back earlier but management denied him...
That may or may not be true, but all you have to do is look at Shaq's history. He misses substantial playing time nursing injuries. Typically comes to camp fat and out of shape. It didn't hurt him too much the first ten years or so. Can't say that anymore.
And there is a mountain of difference between Shaq and Kobe when it comes to playing through injuries.
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That may or may not be true, but all you have to do is look at Shaq's history. He misses substantial playing time nursing injuries. Typically comes to camp fat and out of shape. It didn't hurt him too much the first ten years or so. Can't say that anymore.
And there is a mountain of difference between Shaq and Kobe when it comes to playing through injuries.
He came to camp in shape for the cavs...And sometimes playing threw injuries isnt the smart thing to do...
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His biggest problem is getting hurt three out of the last three years. I'm starting to question his heart.
His heart? I only question his BRAIN!!!!! But he's young and doesn't know everything.
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He came to camp in shape for the cavs...And sometimes playing threw injuries isnt the smart thing to do...
Coming to camp in shape for him means under 370 pounds and able to run up and down the court a few times without throwing up. :) He still can't play four quarters. If you look at just the past five years, he has missed 29, 7, 21, 21, and 42 games. It's a very clear pattern.
I agree it isn't always a good idea to play through injuries.
BTW, what's up with your boy LeBron?
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His heart? I only question his BRAIN!!!!! But he's young and doesn't know everything.
Can't argue with you. There were rumors during the season of a Bosh for Bynum trade. I would have seriously considered that one.
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Can't argue with you. There were rumors during the season of a Bosh for Bynum trade. I would have seriously considered that one.
Hell yea Bynum needs to go.
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Coming to camp in shape for him means under 370 pounds and able to run up and down the court a few times without throwing up. :) He still can't play four quarters. If you look at just the past five years, he has missed 29, 7, 21, 21, and 42 games. It's a very clear pattern.
I agree it isn't always a good idea to play through injuries.
BTW, what's up with your boy LeBron?
Cav's don't need him for 4 quarters...BTW without him "your boy" Kobe would have half the rings he does...And as far as that vid oh brother give me a break you got athletes killing people/rape accusations cheating on there wives if that's all you can post on Lebron you are reaching big time...
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Cav's don't need him for 4 quarters...BTW without him "your boy" Kobe would have half the rings he does...And as far as that vid oh brother give me a break you got athletes killing people/rape accusations cheating on there wives if that's all you can post on Lebron you are reaching big time...
Shaq wouldn't have won three rings without Kobe and Phil, and Kobe wouldn't have won without Shaq and Phil.
I didn't create the video, but what does it have to do with rape, etc.? You don't have a problem with what he did?
I don't think it's a big deal, but it was pretty arrogant.
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Can't argue with you. There were rumors during the season of a Bosh for Bynum trade. I would have seriously considered that one.
We almost sent him over the border with Sasha. Why the hell is Farmar on FACEBOOK?
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Hell yea Bynum needs to go.
Not really he's still learning the game.......he's basically a college Junior. With a ring.
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Not really he's still learning the game.......he's basically a college Junior. With a ring.
Brutal 11.3 pts a game ::)
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Brutal 11.3 pts a game ::)
He averaged 15 and 8 during the season and 11 and 9.8 so far in the playoffs. That's actually not bad in light of his role on the team. Definitely needs to step it up in the playoffs though.
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He averaged 15 and 8 during the season and 11 and 9.8 so far in the playoffs. That's actually not bad in light of his role on the team. Definitely needs to step it up in the playoffs though.
Yea X2
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Yea X2
Having my own shoot around tossing xeox papers in the garbage!
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Having my own shoot around tossing xeox papers in the garbage!
LMAO :D
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LMAO :D
2 out of 45 so far. I'm a current true Laker!
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2 out of 45 so far. I'm a current true Laker!
:D why cant they hit a damn freethrow reg? I dont get it
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Coming to camp in shape for him means under 370 pounds and able to run up and down the court a few times without throwing up. :) He still can't play four quarters. If you look at just the past five years, he has missed 29, 7, 21, 21, and 42 games. It's a very clear pattern.
I agree it isn't always a good idea to play through injuries.
BTW, what's up with your boy LeBron?
this ones better ;D
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2 out of 45 so far. I'm a current true Laker!
lol. :D
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this ones better ;D
Doh! :) Didn't look like it was on purpose?
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It was consensual! :D On the way to STAPLES!
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It was consensual! :D On the way to STAPLES!
damn reg always gets free tickets :'(
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About time the Lakers showed up. One of the things that separates Kobe from everyone else is his defense. He guarded Westbrook yesterday and shut him down.
The Cavs v. Celtics should be a great series.
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damn reg always gets free tickets :'(
I WISH I did! And for ONCE my LAKERS showed up to play! The fk'd around a bit but had a good cushion to do it with. Game 7 is still possible though!
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I WISH I did! And for ONCE my LAKERS showed up to play! The fk'd around a bit but had a good cushion to do it with. Game 7 is still possible though!
They will win this series but curtains will fall next round ;D
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They will win this series but curtains will fall next round ;D
I think they can make the finals, good to see artest shaved his hair and just played and stopped jacking up 3's
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I think they can make the finals, good to see artest shaved his hair and just played and stopped jacking up 3's
I hope your right...Hopefully this series is there wake up call...
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They will win this series but curtains will fall next round ;D
mayBE!
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mayBE!
Kobe is off tonight reg looks like curtains.
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Kobe is off tonight reg looks like curtains.
I am not REALLY watching it till somewhere between 3-4qtr!
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I am not REALLY watching it till somewhere between 3-4qtr!
They need to cut Bynum
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They need to cut Bynum
Not gonna happen to much invested already BUBBA stays!
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Not gonna happen to much invested already BUBBA stays!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D;D
Well congrats reg looks like kobe came through on to the next series
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Kobe was great as usual, but I think Artest was the MVP of the series for the job he did on Durant. Durant hit a lot of FTs, but his shooting percentage was atrocious. I was actually looking forward to seeing him battle Carmelo. Wonder if Phil will put Artest on Boozer?
LeBron is MVP again. He earned it. Incredible year.
Looking forward to the Celtics v. Cavs series. I'm rooting for Boston because I want a Boston v. LA Finals.
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LeBron is MVP again. He earned it. Incredible year.
:)
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Geeze Louise. Is this guy made out of toilet paper? ::)
Bynum day to day with meniscus tear
By Dave McMenamin
ESPNLosAngeles.com
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. --The center of attention for the Los Angeles Lakers and Utah Jazz second-round series beginning on Sunday at Staples Center has shifted to the injuries to both teams' starting centers.
Bynum
Jazz center Mehmet Okur ruptured his right Achilles tendon in the first round against Denver and is out for the rest of the season. Lakers center Andrew Bynum, who missed the final 13 games of the regular season with a strained left Achilles, underwent a MRI on Saturday that revealed he has a small tear of the anterior horn of his lateral meniscus in his right knee, the team said.
Bynum suffered the injury in the first half of the Lakers' 95-94 first round series-clinching win on Friday against the Oklahoma City Thunder while fighting for rebounding position against the Thunder's Nenad Krstic. The fifth-year veteran played 12 minutes in the second half after sustaining the injury.
The Lakers said they became aware of the tear last June when Bynum came in for his end-of-season exit interview, but Bynum was able to play with the injury without it bothering him during the 2009-10 season. When Bynum hyperextended his right knee in the play against Krstic, the tear went from "very small" to "small."
"My knee twisted a little bit," Bynum said Friday night. "It will be alright though."
Bynum is listed as questionable for Game 1 against the Jazz and his status is day to day.
Bynum averaged 12.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 2.2 blocks in six games against the Thunder and 15.0 points and 8.3 rebounds per game during the regular season.
"There's some issues," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said after practice Saturday. "He's hoping to play if he's asymptomatic tomorrow."
The 7-foot, 285-pound Bynum had knee injuries derail each of his last two seasons. A dislocated kneecap in his left knee and a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee caused him to miss 79 out of 164 regular season games in the 2007-08 and '08-09 seasons.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5154643
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Geeze Louise. Is this guy made out of toilet paper? ::)
Bynum day to day with meniscus tear
By Dave McMenamin
ESPNLosAngeles.com
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. --The center of attention for the Los Angeles Lakers and Utah Jazz second-round series beginning on Sunday at Staples Center has shifted to the injuries to both teams' starting centers.
Bynum
Jazz center Mehmet Okur ruptured his right Achilles tendon in the first round against Denver and is out for the rest of the season. Lakers center Andrew Bynum, who missed the final 13 games of the regular season with a strained left Achilles, underwent a MRI on Saturday that revealed he has a small tear of the anterior horn of his lateral meniscus in his right knee, the team said.
Bynum suffered the injury in the first half of the Lakers' 95-94 first round series-clinching win on Friday against the Oklahoma City Thunder while fighting for rebounding position against the Thunder's Nenad Krstic. The fifth-year veteran played 12 minutes in the second half after sustaining the injury.
The Lakers said they became aware of the tear last June when Bynum came in for his end-of-season exit interview, but Bynum was able to play with the injury without it bothering him during the 2009-10 season. When Bynum hyperextended his right knee in the play against Krstic, the tear went from "very small" to "small."
"My knee twisted a little bit," Bynum said Friday night. "It will be alright though."
Bynum is listed as questionable for Game 1 against the Jazz and his status is day to day.
Bynum averaged 12.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 2.2 blocks in six games against the Thunder and 15.0 points and 8.3 rebounds per game during the regular season.
"There's some issues," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said after practice Saturday. "He's hoping to play if he's asymptomatic tomorrow."
The 7-foot, 285-pound Bynum had knee injuries derail each of his last two seasons. A dislocated kneecap in his left knee and a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee caused him to miss 79 out of 164 regular season games in the 2007-08 and '08-09 seasons.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5154643
Kobe will go off against the jazz, there is nobody there that can match him, Deron williams is day to day, im sure he will play but wont be 100%..he will give fisher fits.
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Kobe will go off against the jazz, there is nobody there that can match him, Deron williams is day to day, im sure he will play but wont be 100%..he will give fisher fits.
Yeah Williams is probably the best point guard in the NBA right now. Fish cannot handle him. He needs give him one of those Scola shots. :)
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Not watching the game till middle of the 4th!
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Not watching the game till middle of the 4th!
Now reg we see this alot from you are you afraid to watch the first half?
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Now reg we see this alot from you are you afraid to watch the first half?
Lakers do a LOT of dumb things. 73-66 is too small of a cushion!
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Lakers do a LOT of dumb things. 73-66 is too small of a cushion!
They wont survive utah reg kobe brought his game today but he cant do it everynight sorry man.
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They wont survive utah reg kobe brought his game today but he cant do it everynight sorry man.
No others are gonna HAVE to step up!
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No others are gonna HAVE to step up!
gasoline is only person he has to help
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gasoline is only person he has to help
Funny you caught that I never put the 2 words together! BUT HE is THE MAN!
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Looks like we got a series (Cavs v. Celtics). Boston looks pretty darn good. Snack O'Neal is the invisible man.
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Looks like we got a series (Cavs v. Celtics). Boston looks pretty darn good. Snack O'Neal is the invisible man.
Yet Laker fans USED to call Shaq Super Man!
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Yet Laker fans USED to call Shaq Super Man!
He was. The most dominant big man in the NBA for years. Those days are long gone.
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He was. The most dominant big man in the NBA for years. Those days are long gone.
Yeah I agree. Clev. thought he was there missing piece. But I think once Lebron heads to NY, The Cavs will be the top team in the East! He's really the one holding them back!
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Hahaha! My daughter sent this to me yesterday. Gayer than Richard Simmons. :D
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Hahaha! My daughter sent this to me yesterday. Gayer than Richard Simmons. :D
There is not much gayer than Richard for damn sure
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I'd say Cleveland made a statement in game 3. Talk about a beat down. Winning by 29 at Boston? :o I think this one is going seven.
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I'd say Cleveland made a statement in game 3. Talk about a beat down. Winning by 29 at Boston? :o I think this one is going seven.
Is it over yet I was getting bored.....on Facebook hooking up with as many figure gals as possible!
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I'd say Cleveland made a statement in game 3. Talk about a beat down. Winning by 29 at Boston? :o I think this one is going seven.
I wanna see Clev and LA in the finals and Clev winning Shaq on revenge mode. reg wont like this.
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I wanna see Clev and LA in the finals and Clev winning Shaq on revenge mode. reg wont like this.
that is and what will happen my brother...LOL at the people panicking at Cleveland losing game 2...ha ha....
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I wanna see Clev and LA in the finals and Clev winning Shaq on revenge mode. reg wont like this.
That would piss me off but if the Lakers don't win the title it will just be a bad year. They CAN win it but they MIGHT not. :-\
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That would piss me off but if the Lakers don't win the title it will just be a bad year. They CAN win it but they MIGHT not. :-\
Just brace up reg this could happen.
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Just brace up reg this could happen.
Not 1 Laker is playing with his heart. And the Triagle looks likeChicago BULLShit!
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Guess I should start paying attention to the Suns.
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god artest is lame. They should fire him. he only puts it in 1 out of 10 fucking times.
I know he s suposed to be phil's new rodman but damn, he s not even that good at taking rebounds so whats the point? ariza was way more complete.
Sure he puts 2 threes tonite against the jazz but it happens once every 6 months.
Gasol was almost missing. So does odom, but he's ALWAYS missing lately, what the fuck is wrong with him. Looks like he's absolutely not focused on the game.
Bynum sucked big time tonite too. Again fisher and kobe did it all. They must be tired of doing it all all the time, will they have enough stamina for the rest of the playoffs? Other teams like orlando and cleveland seem waaay more full of energy and all their players are doing their job, not just the roster, they re also younger.
I think kobe will be too tired to support his whole team alone .
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Hell yea Bynum needs to go.
not just bynum, artest and odom too. They re not even playing. Fisher kobe and gasol do it all by themselves. farmar and braun are the only good guys on the bench. The rest is useless.They dont deserve to play for the lakers.
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hahaha i'll be posting these the next time some bitter getbigger says bodybuilders have no shame :D
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Yeah. That's pretty bad. He was asked about this and said don't ever let them photoshop. That's his own fault for putting that stuff on in the first place.
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Rondo just dominated game 4: 29 points, 18 rebounds, 13 assists, 2 steals. :o This one is going seven.
Glad my Lakers got lucky against the Jazz in game 3. Kobe is just brilliant on the court. Lakers v. Suns should be a very good series.
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Rondo just dominated game 4: 29 points, 18 rebounds, 13 assists, 2 steals. :o This one is going seven.
Glad my Lakers got lucky against the Jazz in game 3. Kobe is just brilliant on the court. Lakers v. Suns should be a very good series.
I saw the play where Rondo was racing down court and flipped ball behind his back to a runner for the dunk damn awesome right there.
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insane game by nash. So many big shots in the 4th... with only one fucking eye... he even shot one 3 without it... amazing energy. At first i thought it was a bad idea to keep him playing , especially when he lost the balls three times but man, what a finish. Stoudemire was also on fucking fire. The spurs looked stoned.
They really deserved it big time.
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LOL! He's never going to live this down. :D
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LMAO ;D
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LMAO ;D
Laughing while saying WTF?
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lol
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I saw the play where Rondo was racing down court and flipped ball behind his back to a runner for the dunk damn awesome right there.
Rondo is so unique. At 6'1, I can't think of another player with his type of skill set. he's on the brink of being a great player.
Looks like the Celtics decided to play ball. They STOMPED the Cavs tonight. 120 - 88. Thats two beatings in a row.
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How come Pau has to drive? Where are they, Madrid?
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Weird series. Today's blowout win by the Celtics was as bad as the Cavs blowout win in game 3. I still think it goes seven.
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Did I hear LeBron say yesterday that he has only had three bad games in his seven-year career? ???
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Weird series. Today's blowout win by the Celtics was as bad as the Cavs blowout win in game 3. I still think it goes seven.
X2 it will go 7 James will show up next game.
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X2 it will go 7 James will show up next game.
As again, the EAST is holding up the WEST!
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As again, the EAST is holding up the WEST!
The west can wait on the east for their beating... ;D
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Did I hear LeBron say yesterday that he has only had three bad games in his seven-year career? ???
He said (paraphrasing)..it's tough to fault me for this loss when I have only had three bad games over the last seven years.
First the faking of the injury and now this? Can you imagine Bird or Magic saying that after they put forth a shitty effort in a pivital game?
James is kind of a little bitch.
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He said (paraphrasing)..it's tough to fault me for this loss when I have only had three bad games over the last seven years.
First the faking of the injury and now this? Can you imagine Bird or Magic saying that after they put forth a shitty effort in a pivital game?
James is kind of a little bitch.
He is. He cries like Rasheed Wallace pretty much every time he gets called for foul, or doesn't get a call. I heard someone call him "Drama" King James. Sounds about right.
But that statement is the height of arrogance. Three bad games? Even if it is true (which it isn't), you're right that Bird or Magic would have never said anything like that.
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He is. He cries like Rasheed Wallace pretty much every time he gets called for foul, or doesn't get a call. I heard someone call him "Drama" King James. Sounds about right.
But that statement is the height of arrogance. Three bad games? Even if it is true (which it isn't), you're right that Bird or Magic would have never said anything like that.
Kobe cries also.
Lebron had a bad game, sad to see cavs fan boo him, those piece of shit fans should appreciate him, he could be gone after this season.
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Lebron IS gone after the season.
If he was intending to stay in Cleveland, he would have re-signed by now. It's obvious he wants to test the market, even if Cleveland can offer him the max contract and more money than any other team. He's going to the Knicks. He's still young enough to help build that team into a contender.
If he ends up staying, then that proves he's a serious prima donna who wants the attention and drama.
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Kobe cries also.
Lebron had a bad game, sad to see cavs fan boo him, those piece of shit fans should appreciate him, he could be gone after this season.
Yeah. Kobe complains way too much.
I'm not a LeBron fan and I agree with body's description of him, but I do think some of the criticism is overstated. All the talk about "legacy" based on one game is absurd. He just scored 21 points in the first quarter at Boston in game 3. I don't think a player's legacy is dictated by one game, or even a few games.
That said, my son said he heard someone call him LeBronze. :D
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Yeah. Kobe complains way too much.
I'm not a LeBron fan and I agree with body's description of him, but I do think some of the criticism is overstated. All the talk about "legacy" based on one game is absurd. He just scored 21 points in the first quarter at Boston in game 3. I don't think a player's legacy is dictated by one game, or even a few games.
That said, my son said he heard someone call him LeBronze. :D
lebron gets a lot of hate, one bad game and the fans boo him, fuck, did bulls fan ever boo jordan?
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Speaking of Rasheed Wallace. Wtf happened to that asshole? What a joke, I hate his guts.
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Lets see if Shaq can get the King a Ring lol
Edit - Shaq failed.
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Lets see if Shaq can get the King a Ring lol
Game, set match. Celtics!!!
If the Celts keep playing this way they will win the title.
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I was wrong period...The cavs(Cleveland in general) are pathetic..I was wrong I was wrong I was wrong...the mistake by the lake indeed...I hope Lebron Leaves and the team follows a few years later...
I honestly believe the city is cursed...no sports city in the world compares to what Cleveland has been threw...
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The west can wait on the east for their beating... ;D
I'm shak'n ::)
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I'm shak'n ::)
Hang tight man Dwight Howard and the Magic will be there soon to help ;D
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Pretty bad performance by LeBron. He really shrunk when the lights came on. As one commentator says, he doesn't have the "clutch gene."
And no, the triple double was not a good performance when you look at his shooting percentage, 9 turnovers, and the fact he quit late in the game. Did anyone see how he was acting in the huddle late in the game?
Looking forward to the Celtics v. Magic. I would love to see a Boston v. LA Finals.
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Hang tight man Dwight Howard and the Magic will be there soon to help ;D
Yeah like that kept me up last night! Hey I was in contact with Witten via Facebook! How many Falcon fans can hang with Gonzalez via online?
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i've never seen an nba team play so well during the season and then look so bad in the playoffs
the cavs make the nba playoffs less predictable :)
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Yeah like that kept me up last night! Hey I was in contact with Witten via Facebook! How many Falcon fans can hang with Gonzalez via online?
Just you man job well done. What did he say?
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i've never seen an nba team play so well during the season and then look so bad in the playoffs
the cavs make the nba playoffs less predictable :)
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I have.
You also have to give Boston a lot of credit, because they played very good basketball the last three games.
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I have.
You also have to give Boston a lot of credit, because they played very good basketball the last three games.
X2 they aint no slouch
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Just you man job well done. What did he say?
He's married so all he talks about is religeon and family stuff! :-\ I was hoping he's hook me up with Tennessee and tx gals! But just to be chatting with him is cool. At tight ends he's one of the best!
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I have.
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like who? typically a team with the best record in the league 2 years in a row makes the finals at least once
who else hasn't?
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He's married so all he talks about is religeon and family stuff! :-\ I was hoping he's hook me up with Tennessee and tx gals! But just to be chatting with him is cool. At tight ends he's one of the best!
Yea he is a good player congrats on talking to him.
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like who? typically a team with the best record in the league 2 years in a row makes the finals at least once
who else hasn't?
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I don't know about a team with the best record in the league (which isn't what you initially said), but I remember Seattle killing people during the regular season back in the (90s) and losing in the first round. Dallas has twice been a very high seed and tanked in the playoffs. The Suns had some terrific regular season play and lost to the Spurs, like every year.
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Anyone remember this? Sort of unfair to place so much pressure on this kid so early.
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Steve Nash will be there Monday reg. ;) Bynum is already complaining about his knee.
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Anyone remember this? Sort of unfair to place so much pressure on this kid so early.
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he never really shied away from the attention though.
hahahaha hes doing that little sideline dance all the way home :D :o
yea i know hater bla bla bla ::)
(http://www.gifsoup.com/view/158389/lebron-dancing-2-o.gif)
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Yeah, Lebron and his teammates love to have a blast on the sideline when things go rosy during a game. But when they lose, they lose when it counts the most. In the playoffs. They tighten up when the pressures rises and ulimately choke.
I always thought they way the Cavaliers behaved during blowout games was pretty pathetic. Bunch of idiots. Ever see the Celtics act like that? Or, how about Jordan's Bulls? How about the Spurs? You know what those players had/have that Lebron doesn't have and likely never will??
Rings.
Look at that video above ^^^^ of Lebron dancing. What a fucking idiot..... ::) Lebron will never win until he matures mentally.
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yeah that dancing pisses me off
so does this
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Wow. What a fucking dick.
Gotta love youtube.
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Lebron may end up like Domonique wilkins, just a hightlight reel.
you need a ring or two to be in Bird, Jordan status.
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Lebron is a super talent but he needs to learn to be more selfish on the court. 99/100 times he's the best player to step on the court for a game. Therefore, he should try to dominate offensively everytime he plays.
Lebron prides himself on being a great passer. And he is great. But he passes too much. Game 1 of the NBA finals against the Spurs. He elects to pass the ball in the waning seconds? Stupid. The outcome of that game affected the entire series.
Lebron should be averaging 35 points a game, minimum. His assists per game needs to drop down to 5 or 6. And needs to learn to be a stone cold killer on the court, like Jordan and Kobe.
Lebron doesn't want to win. He just wants to make money. Anytime an NBA player quotes himself as saying that he wants to be a billionaire, you can forget about his championship aspirations. Because the money and the endorsements mean more than the ring.
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i 99% agree, he needs to be more assertive. I mean cmon. 14 shots? lebron?
btw, its not like he hasnt reached expectations and surpassed them. Hes done all of that. Sans a championship.
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Game tonight Lionel Richie "EZ like Sunday morning!" ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Game tonight Lionel Richie "EZ like Sunday morning!" ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
You was right reg.
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The NBA is so much better now lebron is out, i cant stand the amount of coverage he gets, lets focus on the winners, not wanna be billionaires
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Lebron is a super talent but he needs to learn to be more selfish on the court. 99/100 times he's the best player to step on the court for a game. Therefore, he should try to dominate offensively everytime he plays.
Lebron prides himself on being a great passer. And he is great. But he passes too much. Game 1 of the NBA finals against the Spurs. He elects to pass the ball in the waning seconds? Stupid. The outcome of that game affected the entire series.
Lebron should be averaging 35 points a game, minimum. His assists per game needs to drop down to 5 or 6. And needs to learn to be a stone cold killer on the court, like Jordan and Kobe.
Lebron doesn't want to win. He just wants to make money. Anytime an NBA player quotes himself as saying that he wants to be a billionaire, you can forget about his championship aspirations. Because the money and the endorsements mean more than the ring.
Wurd.
I made a prediction when he first came in the league that he would be another Shawn Kemp; a supremely talented player who would eventually wind up with a drug problem. I've been wrong so far, but now I'm starting to question whether he has a substance abuse problem.
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i cant stand the amount of coverage he gets, lets focus on the winners, not wanna be billionaires
actually bro the same could be said for this thread...
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Wurd.
I made a prediction when he first came in the league that he would be another Shawn Kemp; a supremely talented player who would eventually wind up with a drug problem. I've been wrong so far, but now I'm starting to question whether he has a substance abuse problem.
lebron has a substance abuse problem? possible, but highly doubt it, unfortunately for him he has horrible teammates but we also need to remember the celtics played them very well. Everyone forgot the Celtics won a championship 2 seasons ago.
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lebron has a substance abuse problem? possible, but highly doubt it, unfortunately for him he has horrible teammates but we also need to remember the celtics played them very well. Everyone forgot the Celtics won a championship 2 seasons ago.
I have no idea if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me. That could explain his inconsistent play. Also, if you look at the video I posted earlier, he has really aged the last several years.
Quick I don't really buy the horrible team excuse. They had the best record in the league. They beat LA twice. Boston was better and LeBron didn't show up when it mattered.
I will say Jamison was pretty bad.
I'm really rooting for a Boston v. LA Finals.
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I have no idea if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me. That could explain his inconsistent play. Also, if you look at the video I posted earlier, he has really aged the last several years.
Quick I don't really buy the horrible team excuse. They had the best record in the league. They beat LA twice. Boston was better and LeBron didn't show up when it mattered.
I will say Jamison was pretty bad.
I'm really rooting for a Boston v. LA Finals.
Yeah but reg.season is different then playoffs, way to much pressure, im sure the other guys just deferred to james, but he deferred to his teammates.
Celtics have finals experience, they manhandled the Cavs
As for james aging, well he must age bad like greg oden, james looks like his 35 and oden looks in his mid 50's
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Yeah but reg.season is different then playoffs, way to much pressure, im sure the other guys just deferred to james, but he deferred to his teammates.
Celtics have finals experience, they manhandled the Cavs
As for james aging, well he must age bad like greg oden, james looks like his 35 and oden looks in his mid 50's
Oden looks like LeBron's father. :) I bet Portland would like a do over of that draft. That poor franchise. Took Sam Bowie over Jordan and Oden over Durant.
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lebron looked 35 when he was 17
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lebron looked 35 when he was 17
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He had the body of 35 year old. Not necessarily the face, especially if you compare his face now with several years ago. Oden had the face of a 50 year old when he came in the league.
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lebron looked 35 when he was 17
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yep ;D
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Wellllll I'd say the Boston series is probably over.
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Wellllll I'd say the Boston series is probably over.
Yep done deal now.
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Yep done deal now.
And I think we've established that Vince Carter cannot guard Paul Pierce.
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paul is a great player no doubt
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(http://johnharrisbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Red.jpg)
Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up - Red
Celtics - Lakers, must happen.
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Celtics - Lakers, must happen.
Agreed, reg wont like it when the Celt's win. ;D
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Celtics - Lakers, must happen.
Yep. Phil needs to put more distance between him and Red. :)
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Celtics - Lakers, must happen.
from sterns mouth to gods ears :D
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Yep. Phil needs to put more distance between him and Red. :)
You're right, Phil is the man when it comes to the stats...but, he will never be as cool as Red was and people will never remember him like they remember Red. Red was cool.
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from sterns mouth to gods ears :D
I don't know how one could claim the Celts got a free ride, I think they've earned every win and or dominated.
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I don't know how one could claim the Celts got a free ride, I think they've earned every win and or dominated.
completely agree.
but that doesnt take away the potential ratings bonanza that celtics-lakers would bring
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You're right, Phil is the man when it comes to the stats...but, he will never be as cool as Red was and people will never remember him like they remember Red. Red was cool.
Phil has the stats and the rings. The Zen Master is pretty cool too. He certainly saved my Lakers.
It's starting to feel like the 80s all over again. :)
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Phil has the stats and the rings. The Zen Master is pretty cool too. He certainly saved my Lakers.
It's starting to feel like the 80s all over again. :)
No doubt, Jackson has the rings and the stats. The Zen thing is pretty cool too, but he does not have 1/10th of the cool that this guy had, imo:
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What do you think was cool about him?
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reg is already getting "the big head" after the lakers win tonight
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Listening to McHale. He said if he was getting abused by Pau the way Stoudamire has been he would just hit him, if no other reason than to make himself feel better. :) They don't make them like McHale anymore.
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Celtics vs Lakers bring it on.
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What do you think was cool about him?
Don't know. You can't explain cool...some people are just cool and red was one of em.
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body88, what are they feeding those boys over there in boston?
3-0
did then win by like 20?
geeze la weeze.
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Boston is coming for you reg.
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Kobe and co are going to have trouble with Rondo if they play.
Two years ago, when the played, Kobe was getting beat on drives while trying to guard rondo off the dribble. Two years later, Rondo has established himself as one of if not the best point guard in the NBA, who has shown he can further elevate his game in the playoffs. His weakness is still his outside shot, but now that he can hit that shot at a decent percentage, and is border line unstopable off the dribble, I expect him to give the Laker's big time issues if they play.
With the way Allen and the Celtics are playing, I think they might win another title.
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If the Celtics win it again, it would be a nice last hurrah for Garnett, Pierce, and Allen. Pretty sure the team will get blown up after the season. Too many aging vets.
Rondo is just flat out sick. A terrific penetrator off the dribble. Just can't comprehend as to how he can't be at least a 75% free throw shooter.
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Practically every point guard in the league gives LA trouble. Rondo is playing great, but he's not better than Williams from Utah.
The Celtics look very good, but the best player in the playoffs right now is Kobe Bryant. Pierce has lost a step and Kobe hasn't, so I really don't see Pierce being able to slow Kobe down like he did a couple years ago. Plus Artest will contain Pierce IMO. Ray Allen can't guard Kobe either.
Pau is the best big man left in the playoffs and will give Boston trouble. IMO, the missing link is Bynum. If he gets his act together and shows up, the Lakers are very tough to beat.
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I betcha Bynum is close to shutting it down for the season. His knee is hurt far more than he's letting on.
He was non existent in the last game against the Suns.
Speaking of which, I hope the Suns can win game 4 and tie this series. It needs a little intrigue. Lopez played great. That guy is a great free throw shooter for a bigman and he can score from outside.
Don't sleep on the Suns. It's not yet Boston/LA for the NBA finals.
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I betcha Bynum is close to shutting it down for the season. His knee is hurt far more than he's letting on.
He was non existent in the last game against the Suns.
Speaking of which, I hope the Suns can win game 4 and tie this series. It needs a little intrigue. Lopez played great. That guy is a great free throw shooter for a bigman and he can score from outside.
Don't sleep on the Suns. It's not yet Boston/LA for the NBA finals.
Bynum got two quick fouls, which put him on the bench about two or three minutes in. Then picked up four pretty early in the game. He only played 7 minutes.
I really don't see the Suns beating LA in this series, absent an injury to Kobe or Pau. LA is just a much better team.
Lopez killed LA yesterday. So did Stoudamire, but I doubt he can put back-to-back games like that together.
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No question LA is the better team. LA has the most talented team in the NBA.
But the Suns outplayed a much more talented team in the Mavericks and swept a savvy veteran team like the Spurs(who would have given the Lakers some trouble had they played).
The Suns have a shot. They win game four and the pressure goes right back to LA.
Steve Nash deserves a ring. Kobe has four. Give the whiteboy a goddamn ring, for christs sake!
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No question LA is the better team. LA has the most talented team in the NBA.
But the Suns outplayed a much more talented team in the Mavericks and swept a savvy veteran team like the Spurs(who would have given the Lakers some trouble had they played).
The Suns have a shot. They win game four and the pressure goes right back to LA.
Steve Nash deserves a ring. Kobe has four. Give the whiteboy a goddamn ring, for christs sake!
They definitely have a shot, but I just don't see it happening.
Nash is a great player.
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paul is a great player no doubt
I am NOT as pissed off at LAL as I usually am after a loss. It must be the diet.
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They definitely have a shot, but I just don't see it happening.
Nash is a great player.
Nash is a fag!
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I am NOT as pissed off at LAL as I usually am after a loss. It must be the diet.
How is the diet going reg?
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How is the diet going reg?
Its going as good as its going to get. I look better...I started prepping back in January and the shows not till June 26. But I've put on lots of muscle last offseason and its showing already! Thanks
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Its going as good as its going to get. I look better...I started prepping back in January and the shows not till June 26. But I've put on lots of muscle last offseason and its showing already! Thanks
Good luck dude.
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Those darn pesky Suns.
Kobe is playing lights out.
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Good luck dude.
Thnx
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I hope the Suns can steal a win in LA. Unlikely, but if they pull it off.......they can close out the series in Phoenix.
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Definitely unlikely. I think we see a repeat of the Thunder series, where the Lakers get their act together in games 5 and 6 and start playing defense.
I think the Suns in the Finals would be a ratings disaster.
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Definitely unlikely. I think we see a repeat of the Thunder series, where the Lakers get their act together in games 5 and 6 and start playing defense.
I think the Suns in the Finals would be a ratings disaster.
Which is why if game 5 is tight game, you can expect Kobe to get the superstar calls from the refs down the stretch.
Why would the Suns in the finals be a ratings disaster? The Suns play an entertaining brand of basketball and Steve Nash is a 2 time MVP. I think a Celtics/Suns finals would be great. Or better yet, a Suns/Magic final would be entertaining as hell to watch.
Personally, I feel that the Lakers will crush the Celtics in the finals if they met.
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Which is why if game 5 is tight game, you can expect Kobe to get the superstar calls from the refs down the stretch.
Why would the Suns in the finals be a ratings disaster? The Suns play an entertaining brand of basketball and Steve Nash is a 2 time MVP. I think a Celtics/Suns finals would be great. Or better yet, a Suns/Magic final would be entertaining as hell to watch.
Personally, I feel that the Lakers will crush the Celtics in the finals if they met.
Kobe does not get superstar calls. That's why he gets T'd up so much. And he doesn't need the calls. He's playing as well as he can possibly play right now.
The Suns would be a ratings disaster because they don't have a huge fan base. Nobody cares about the Suns. They don't have the superstar players to draw ratings from casual fans.
I think LA beats Boston in the Finals too.
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Which is why if game 5 is tight game, you can expect Kobe to get the superstar calls from the refs down the stretch.
Why would the Suns in the finals be a ratings disaster? The Suns play an entertaining brand of basketball and Steve Nash is a 2 time MVP. I think a Celtics/Suns finals would be great. Or better yet, a Suns/Magic final would be entertaining as hell to watch.
Personally, I feel that the Lakers will crush the Celtics in the finals if they met.
Crush? Care to wager? That's a bet I know I can win.
Edit: Boston just got done smoking the magic, who were the best team in the NBA. The Celtics are by far playing the best D right now. Imo, the western brand of basketball that's been played thus far has been soft. The Celtics have a lot of weapons, and with Robinson catching fire tonight, that's another problem the Lakers would have to account for.
Crush? That's border line laughable, imo.
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I'm not watching the finals unless its Boston vs Lakers with Magic and Bird as sixth men.
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Crush? Care to wager? That's a bet I know I can win.
Edit: Boston just got done smoking the magic, who were the best team in the NBA. The Celtics are by far playing the best D right now. Imo, the western brand of basketball that's been played thus far has been soft. The Celtics have a lot of weapons, and with Robinson catching fire tonight, that's another problem the Lakers would have to account for.
Crush? That's border line laughable, imo.
Alright, so "crush" is a bit harsh. But I do feel that this Lake team is much better than the team Boston played in the '08 finals.
LA just has so many bigger bodies and a deeper bench. I just think Boston will have to rely too much on their starters to play extended minutes. Wallace is worthless. And Robinson had one good game in the playoffs.
I hope Boston can pull the upset. I always root for the older guys.
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Alright, so "crush" is a bit harsh. But I do feel that this Lake team is much better than the team Boston played in the '08 finals.
LA just has so many bigger bodies and a deeper bench. I just think Boston will have to rely too much on their starters to play extended minutes. Wallace is worthless. And Robinson had one good game in the playoffs.
I hope Boston can pull the upset. I always root for the older guys.
I agree. Except for the rooting for Boston part. :)
Plus KG has lost a bit and Pau has gotten better. LA replaced the space cadet Radmonovich with Artest. Kobe is at the absolute top of his game. The Lakers should get 20 minutes from Bynum, who didn't play in 08.
And keep in mind LA did win two games in 08 and had a 20+ point lead in another that they lost, before getting crushed in game 6.
LA just needs to handle their business against the Suns.
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I agree. Except for the rooting for Boston part. :)
Plus KG has lost a bit and Pau has gotten better. LA replaced the space cadet Radmonovich with Artest. Kobe is at the absolute top of his game. The Lakers should get 20 minutes from Bynum, who didn't play in 08.
And keep in mind LA did win two games in 08 and had a 20+ point lead in another that they lost, before getting crushed in game 6.
LA just needs to handle their business against the Suns.
LA has to handle Nash, Bynum isnt much anyway its all on Kobe and Gasoline.
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And Boston is a better team with the emergence of Rondo as one of the best point guards in the game.
Wallace proved he is not worthless at the start of the Magic series, imo. He also played well in the first playoff series.
Boston is going to pose some series match up problems for LA. You put Artest on Pierce, Kobe on Rondo (who was getting smoked off the dribble 2 years ago and since then Rondo has become a much better player)...Pao has to deal with KG; who is going to take Allen?
Nate Robinson has caught fire, Perk and Baby did well against the best center in the game and Wallace can contribute if he turns it on.
Lastly, the Celtics are playing the best d out of everyone right now, and just disposed of "the best team in the NBA" in a pretty dominant fashion.
Imo, the Laker's have a tall task beating a highly motived Boston team.
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And Boston is a better team with the emergence of Rondo as one of the best point guards in the game.
Wallace proved he is not worthless at the start of the Magic series, imo. He also played well in the first playoff series.
Boston is going to pose some series match up problems for LA. You put Artest on Pierce, Kobe on Rondo (who was getting smoked off the dribble 2 years ago and since then Rondo has become a much better player)...Pao has to deal with KG; who is going to take Allen?
Nate Robinson has caught fire, Perk and Baby did well against the best center in the game and Wallace can contribute if he turns it on.
Lastly, the Celtics are playing the best d out of everyone right now, and just disposed of "the best team in the NBA" in a pretty dominant fashion.
Imo, the Laker's have a tall task beating a highly motived Boston team.
X2 I agree.
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The Celtics have a lot of weapons to throw at the Lakers, and they are playing much better D.
This Celtics team is better than the 08 team, also. Rondo has improved to become one of the best pg's in the NBA. Baby and Perc have matured...Allen is on Fire (he was not in 08) and KG has more than enough to match or come close to the lama. Wallace has played well and gives the Celtics some big time length and a 3 point threat, plus you just had Robinson show he can contribute in a big way.
The Celtics just disposed of the best team in the NBA in a pretty dominant fashion...while the Laker's are still fighting off the Suns.
If they play, it goes 7 games, imo.
Edit: This was in response to your post beach...forgot to qoute, ha-ha.
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And Boston is a better team with the emergence of Rondo as one of the best point guards in the game.
Wallace proved he is not worthless at the start of the Magic series, imo. He also played well in the first playoff series.
Boston is going to pose some series match up problems for LA. You put Artest on Pierce, Kobe on Rondo (who was getting smoked off the dribble 2 years ago and since then Rondo has become a much better player)...Pao has to deal with KG; who is going to take Allen?
Nate Robinson has caught fire, Perk and Baby did well against the best center in the game and Wallace can contribute if he turns it on.
Lastly, the Celtics are playing the best d out of everyone right now, and just disposed of "the best team in the NBA" in a pretty dominant fashion.
Imo, the Laker's have a tall task beating a highly motived Boston team.
Wallace has played well in stretches, but is inconsistent. Nate Robinson has played one good quarter in the playoffs.
The only matchup problem I see for LA is Fish on Rondo. Perkins doesn't score. KG is scoring what about 15 a game? He's not the KG from 2008. Pierce will score, but Artest will keep him from scoring 30 IMO. Kobe will guard Allen.
The Celtics played great D in four out of the six games against Orlando. I think LA beats Boston (if LA makes it the Finals), but it will be a tough series.
Why do you say Orlando was the best team in the NBA? They were my pick to probably win it all this year going into the playoffs, but I was wrong about them.
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The Celtics have a lot of weapons to throw at the Lakers, and they are playing much better D.
This Celtics team is better than the 08 team, also. Rondo has improved to become one of the best pg's in the NBA. Baby and Perc have matured...Allen is on Fire (he was not in 08) and KG has more than enough to match or come close to the lama. Wallace has played well and gives the Celtics some big time length and a 3 point threat, plus you just had Robinson show he can contribute in a big way.
The Celtics just disposed of the best team in the NBA in a pretty dominant fashion...while the Laker's are still fighting off the Suns.
If they play, it goes 7 games, imo.
Rondo is going to be tough for the lakers to handle oh wait they still got to get by the Suns regmac wont be happy
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The Celtics have a lot of weapons to throw at the Lakers, and they are playing much better D.
This Celtics team is better than the 08 team, also. Rondo has improved to become one of the best pg's in the NBA. Baby and Perc have matured...Allen is on Fire (he was not in 08) and KG has more than enough to match or come close to the lama. Wallace has played well and gives the Celtics some big time length and a 3 point threat, plus you just had Robinson show he can contribute in a big way.
The Celtics just disposed of the best team in the NBA in a pretty dominant fashion...while the Laker's are still fighting off the Suns.
If they play, it goes 7 games, imo.
Edit: This was in response to your post beach...forgot to qoute, ha-ha.
No worries. :) I really disagree. You're not acknowledging the matchup problems LA poses for Boston. Who guards Kobe? KG will have his hands full with Pau. Kobe and Pau are the best 1-2 punch left in the playoffs. Also, although I'm really down on Bynum, he didn't play in 08. (You could say that about a couple games in the Suns series too where he was MIA.)
I don't think this Boston team is better than 08. KG is not the player he was then. Pierce was the best player in the playoffs in 08. This year it's Kobe. I wouldn't put too much on what Pierce did in the Orlando series, because Vince Carter couldn't guard my mother. I seriously doubt Pierce will work Artest the way he did Carter.
You think winning a series in six games is a dominant performance? I don't. Boston dominated Orlando for three games and then lost two in a row. If LA beats the Suns in six will that be a dominant performance too?
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Gotcha. I read your original post, that lacked any pro Boston points, so I assumed I was supposed to state my opinion as to why you were undervaluing the Celtics improvements.
This song is older than me, but a great segway for the game. Don't fear your fate, Beach...embrace it ;D
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Good tune.
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Good tune.
Agreed.
Fast forward to 1:50 - 1:51 of that video. That is beach firing up the Lakers crowd.
I'm down on Nantucket Island right now, and I've been jamming out to various classic rock tunes. Great vibe/beach party music.
Check this out:
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Good rock top 100 I'll save that one.
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Good rock top 100 I'll save that one.
Part 2
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Boston vs Lakers hell yea!
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celtics-lakers
good stuff, my nizzle.
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kobe's 3 times to the finals, if he can get a win here then they/we/the media can put him in jordans level and never ever mention lebrons name in the same sentance.
Anyone here from Cleveland? i hear james was there judging a dunk contest and fans were begging him tell him to stay, is that the kind of losers that breed in that city??
he never acknowledged any fans..lol
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Gotcha. I read your original post, that lacked any pro Boston points, so I assumed I was supposed to state my opinion as to why you were undervaluing the Celtics improvements.
This song is older than me, but a great segway for the game. Don't fear your fate, Beach...embrace it ;D
lol. We shall see. :) Should be a great series.
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kobe's 3 times to the finals, if he can get a win here then they/we/the media can put him in jordans level and never ever mention lebrons name in the same sentance.
Anyone here from Cleveland? i hear james was there judging a dunk contest and fans were begging him tell him to stay, is that the kind of losers that breed in that city??
he never acknowledged any fans..lol
He's in the Finals for the seventh time in his career and third year in a row. Pretty darn impressive.
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This song is older than me, but a great segway for the game. Don't fear your fate, Beach...embrace it ;D
:o :o ;D
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a great segway for the game. Don't fear your fate, Beach
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He's in the Finals for the seventh time in his career and third year in a row. Pretty darn impressive.
I was just thinking about this. If he wins this one, he's right there with sportmens like Brady, Montana, Jordan -- etc.
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Boom!
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He's in the Finals for the seventh time in his career and third year in a row. Pretty darn impressive.
he still has ways to go, he rode shaq's coattails for years
i'd put tim duncan ahead of him
it's cool to see the celtics back in the finals, i always kinda liked them because they were mostly white in the 80's ;) ;D
seriously though the celtics are a 3 seed which is pretty high for an nba team in the finals, the nba playoffs are starting to show a little more parody, which is a good thing imo, everybody had the cavs or magic in the finals
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he still has ways to go, he rode shaq's coattails for years
i'd put tim duncan ahead of him
it's cool to see the celtics back in the finals, i always kinda liked them because they were mostly white in the 80's ;) ;D
seriously though the celtics are a 3 seed which is pretty high for an nba team in the finals, the nba playoffs are starting to show a little more parody, which is a good thing imo, everybody had the cavs or magic in the finals
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Yea regmac wont be happy when rondo and the Celtics show up
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Yea regmac wont be happy when rondo and the Celtics show up
the celtic fans wont be happy when Kobe gets "that look" in his eyes!
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the celtic fans wont be happy when Kobe gets "that look" in his eyes!
oh, you mean this look? BOOM! ;D
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I was just thinking about this. If he wins this one, he's right there with sportmens like Brady, Montana, Jordan -- etc.
With four rings, all star, all NBA, and all NBA defense selections pretty much every year, he's already there.
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he still has ways to go, he rode shaq's coattails for years
i'd put tim duncan ahead of him
it's cool to see the celtics back in the finals, i always kinda liked them because they were mostly white in the 80's ;) ;D
seriously though the celtics are a 3 seed which is pretty high for an nba team in the finals, the nba playoffs are starting to show a little more parody, which is a good thing imo, everybody had the cavs or magic in the finals
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Tim Duncan is a great player. Or at least he was. He's no longer an elite player IMO. Father Time has caught up with him.
Kobe doesn't have to prove anything. He's already one of the greatest players in NBA history. Very soon, he's going to own every Laker record on the books.
And no, he didn't ride Shaq's coattails. Absurd. Shaq was the most dominant big man in the league during his time in LA, but Kobe played just an important a role as Shaq during the championship run.
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Kobe doesn't have to prove anything. He's already one of the greatest players in NBA history. Very soon, he's going to own every Laker record on the books.
u think he will have the assist record or the rebound record?
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u think he will have the assist record or the rebound record?
I doubt it.
Here is where he currently ranks in major categories:
Regular season:
Points: 1st
Assists: 3rd
Rebounds: 9th (offensive rebounds - 7th)
Steals: 2d
Blocks: 7th
FTs made: 2d
Games played: 2d
Minutes played 2d
Three pointers made: 1st
Playoffs:
Points: 2d
Assists: 3d
Rebounds: 6th
Steals: 2d
Blocks: 3d
Games played: 3d
FTs made: 3d
Three pointers made: 1st
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Tim Duncan is a great player. Or at least he was. He's no longer an elite player IMO. Father Time has caught up with him.
Kobe doesn't have to prove anything. He's already one of the greatest players in NBA history. Very soon, he's going to own every Laker record on the books.
And no, he didn't ride Shaq's coattails. Absurd. Shaq was the most dominant big man in the league during his time in LA, but Kobe played just an important a role as Shaq during the championship run.
he wasn't the best player on his team and would only have 1 title without shaq
it is absurd to put him in the same category as jordan, if he wins this year i'll put him ahead of pippen
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he wasn't the best player on his team and would only have 1 title without shaq
it is absurd to put him in the same category as jordan, if he wins this year i'll put him ahead of pippen
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I agree...
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he wasn't the best player on his team and would only have 1 title without shaq
it is absurd to put him in the same category as jordan, if he wins this year i'll put him ahead of pippen
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Pippen a better player than Kobe? That's laugh out loud funny. :)
I think the whole "greatest player ever" discussions (regardless of sport) are pretty subjective. For example, I've never seen Oscar Robertson play, but some think he was the greatest ever. He may have averaged a triple double for his career (they apparently didn't keep those stats then). Others who didn't watch the game in the 80s may not know what a dominant player Kevin McHale was. Or what a beast Moses Malone was. Or how good Mo Cheeks, Isaiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, and Dennis Rodman (before he lost his mind) were.
Regarding Jordan, I have him somewhere around 3rd, behind Kobe and Magic, and maybe just ahead of Bird. If we were talking positions or all-time greatest teams, mine would look something like this:
C: Shaq/Kareem
PF: McHale
SF: Bird
SG: Kobe/Jordan
PG: Magic
What is it that you saw during the 2000-2003 Laker championship run that to led you to conclude that Kobe "rode shaq's coattails for years"?
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Regarding Jordan, I have him somewhere around 3rd, behind Kobe and Magic
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lol. How old were you when Magic and Bird were playing?
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Anyone that says jordan is behind Kobe and Magic are clearly biased...Hell even magic and bird have been quoted as saying Jordan was the best...
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Anyone that says jordan is behind Kobe and Magic are clearly biased...Hell even magic and bird have been quoted as saying Jordan was the best...
What great player will put himself at the time of the list? Aside from Snack O'Neal.
Like I said earlier, it's subjective. I'm sure many people think Jordan was the greatest ever. Some think it's Magic. Some think it's Wilt. I might have a different opinion if I watched Wilt, Bill Russell, or Oscar Robertson play.
Here is someone who has them ranked Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Wilt, Bird. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/66751-nbas-top-25-greatest-players-of-all-time
This one says Jordan, Robertson, Bird. http://basketball.suite101.com/article.cfm/top_nba_players_of_all_time
This one says Wilt, Jordan. http://sportales.com/basketball/the-greatest-nba-player-ever/
Here is one that says Jordan, Dr. J, Kareem. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/219063/the_10_greatest_nba_players_of_all.html?cat=14
I think the main "bias" people have is generational. You see that in discussions about football. I had a discussion with an older guy who thinks Jim Brown is the greatest football and athlete of all time. He's from Brown's era.
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Pippen a better player than Kobe? That's laugh out loud funny. :)
i think it's laughable to have kobe as an all time great based on his 4 titles, he would have 1 if it wasn't for shaq
he also only has 1 mvp title, not enough to be in the same class as jordan
shaq was the finals mvp each time, when shaq left la kobe couldn't even get them to the playoffs and every average nba team makes the playoffs
i think kobe is better than pippen, but if we are going to rank players based on their titles than he isn't in pippen's class, pippen had just as much if not more to do with 6 titles than kobe winning titles with shaq
and like i said tim duncan has been a far better player this decade than kobe, by far the best player on 4 title teams, he's too quiet for the talking heads to put him in the all time elite class ::)
if kobe is considered a top 7 player all time as of today, than than makes him the most overrated player ever
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and yes beach bum you have a history of being biased
you also think the nfl was better in the 80's because that is when your favorite team was winning super bowls
kobe is a great player but he was lucky he ended up with a great organization like the lakers, otherwise he would probably be another allen iverson
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i think it's laughable to have kobe as an all time great based on his 4 titles, he would have 1 if it wasn't for shaq
he also only has 1 mvp title, not enough to be in the same class as jordan
shaq was the finals mvp each time, when shaq left la kobe couldn't even get them to the playoffs and every average nba team makes the playoffs
i think kobe is better than pippen, but if we are going to rank players based on their titles than he isn't in pippen's class, pippen had just as much if not more to do with 6 titles than kobe winning titles with shaq
and like i said tim duncan has been a far better player this decade than kobe, by far the best player on 4 title teams, he's too quiet for the talking heads to put him in the all time elite class ::)
if kobe is considered a top 7 player all time as of today, than than makes him the most overrated player ever
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I don't have Kobe as an all time great solely because of his four rings. He's the best scorer I've ever seen in the NBA. He's a great defender and is first team all NBA pretty much ever year. He has led his team in assists from the 2 guard spot pretty much every year as a starter. He rebounds. He's durable. His worth ethic is incredible. He's the best clutch player I've seen. And he wins.
I won't really argue with anyone who thinks Duncan is a great player, or who thinks he has been a better player than Kobe. I disagree, but it's at least debatable.
But you didn't really answer my question: what is it that you saw from 2000-2003 that led you to conclude Kobe did nothing but ride Shaq's coattails?
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and yes beach bum you have a history of being biased
you also think the nfl was better in the 80's because that is when your favorite team was winning super bowls
kobe is a great player but he was lucky he ended up with a great organization like the lakers, otherwise he would probably be another allen iverson
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Hogwash. Quit making stuff up. I have never said there was better football in the 80s because my favorite team was winning Super Bowls. lol. They had better teams in the 80s and 90s, which included the Dallas Cowboys, who I hated then and hate now. But feel free to just make it up as you go along if it makes you feel better. :)
Kobe is lucky he played with Shaq. Shaq is lucky Phil coached the Lakers. Duncan is lucky he had Popovich. Jordan is lucky he had Pippin and Phil. Magic is lucky he had Kareem and Worthy. Bird is lucky he had McHale and the Chief. Etc., etc.
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But you didn't really answer my question: what is that you saw from 2000-2003 that led you to concluded Kobe did nothing but ride Shaq's coattails?
kobe was a great player than but shaq was clearly the guy
if iverson was shaq's teammate they still would've won 3 titles in a row, heck iverson was better than kobe when they met in the finals
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Hogwash. Quit making stuff up. I have never said there was better football in the 80s because of my favorite team was winning Super Bowls. lol. They had better teams in the 80s and 90s, which included the Dallas Cowboys, who I hated then and hate now. But feel free to just make it up as you go along if it makes you feel better. :)
Kobe is lucky he played with Shaq. Shaq is lucky Phil coached the Lakers. Duncan is lucky he had Popovich. Jordan is lucky he had Pippin and Phil. Magic is lucky he had Kareem and Worthy. Bird is lucky he had McHale and the Chief. Etc., etc.
you at least said you enjoyed the game more then, having what you felt were more dominant teams
clearly you thought that because your team was the most dominant of them all
i think popovich is lucky he had duncan, the other guys you mentioned still had great success without thier teammate/coach
kobe missed the playoffs without phil/shaq
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kobe was a great player than but shaq was clearly the guy
if iverson was shaq's teammate they still would've won 3 titles in a row, heck iverson was better than kobe when they met in the finals
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O.K. I won't ask a third time, but I thought maybe you saw something that I didn't. What I saw during that championship run was two dominant players. One of the things that made the Lakers so good during that stretch was both Shaq and Kobe required a double team. Shaq literally couldn't be stopped. No one could guard Kobe one-on-one. And Kobe was the closer in the fourth quarter. Kobe was also the better defender. Heck he even rebounded better than Shaq IMO. Probably half of Shaq's rebounds came off opponents missed FTs.
Iverson better than Kobe? Uh . . . . no. :)
Who knows what Shaq would have done with Iverson, or what Kobe would have done with Duncan, etc.?
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you at least said you enjoyed the game more then, having what you felt were more dominant teams
clearly you thought that because your team was the most dominant of them all
i think popovich is lucky he had duncan, the other guys you mentioned still had great success without thier teammate/coach
kobe missed the playoffs without phil/shaq
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Yes I enjoyed the games (NFL and NBA) more in the 80s and 90s because teams were better. And yes two of those teams are my favorites (Niners and Lakers). But I also enjoyed watching the Celtics, Pistons, Sixers, Cowboys, and Redskins. I'm one of those who likes to see teams loaded with talented players who play at the highest levels. If those teams happen to be the Lakers and Niners, I like it even more.
A "biased" fan wouldn't even acknowledge that the Dallas Cowboys of the late 80s/early 90s are better than any team in the NFL today. Or that the Celtics of the 80s were a better team than the 2010 Lakers.
So there, I've stated my position again. You and continue to distort it if you want.
You're wrong about Kobe. He took the Lakers to the playoffs twice without Phil/Shaq. In fact, he took a lineup of Kwame Brown, Odom, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker to the playoffs. I'd say that's pretty incredible.
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O.K. I won't ask a third time, but I thought maybe you saw something that I didn't. What I saw during that championship run was two dominant players. One of the things that made the Lakers so good during that stretch was both Shaq and Kobe required a double team. Shaq literally couldn't be stopped. No one could guard Kobe one-on-one. And Kobe was the closer in the fourth quarter. Kobe was also the better defender. Heck he even rebounded better than Shaq IMO. Probably half of Shaq's rebounds came off opponents missed FTs.
Iverson better than Kobe? Uh . . . . no. :)
Who knows what Shaq would have done with Iverson, or what Kobe would have done with Duncan, etc.?
well shaq was the clear cut finals mvp all 3 years...
iverson was better than kobe 2000 - 2002 during the lakers title run
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You're wrong about Kobe. He took the Lakers to the playoffs twice without Phil/Shaq. In fact, he took a lineup of Kwame Brown, Odom, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker to the playoffs. I'd say that's pretty incredible.
didn't they miss the 05 playoffs without shaq and phil?
i'm not impressed by playoff appearances in the nba, any average team makes it
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well shaq was the clear cut finals mvp all 3 years...
iverson was better than kobe 2000 - 2002 during the lakers title run
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Yes Shaq was the Finals MVP, but he wouldn't have gotten to the Finals or won, without Kobe and Phil. Keep in mind that Phil came in and took almost the exact same team that couldn't win the year before and won three straight titles.
A player who rides coattails is someone like Adam Morrison, who might get his second championship ring this year.
Oh c'mon. I can't even debate Iverson vs. Kobe. I won't do it. [fingers trembling at the keyboard] :)
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didn't they miss the 05 playoffs without shaq and phil?
i'm not impressed by playoff appearances in the nba, any average team makes it
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They missed the playoffs one year (that's how they got Bynum in the lottery) and made the playoffs two years.
I'm impressed by Kobe taking some pretty marginal players to the playoffs.
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Yes Shaq was the Finals MVP, but he wouldn't have gotten to the Finals or won, without Kobe and Phil. Keep in mind that Phil came in and took almost the exact same team that couldn't win the year before and won three straight titles.
A player who rides coattails is someone like Adam Morrison, who might get his second championship ring this year.
Oh c'mon. I can't even debate Iverson vs. Kobe. I won't do it. [fingers trembling at the keyboard] :)
shaq also took the magic to the finals, helped the heat win a title
either way, shaq was by far the best player on those laker championship teams
iverson 2001 > kobe 2001
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They missed the playoffs one year (that's how they got Bynum in the lottery) and made the playoffs two years.
I'm impressed by Kobe taking some pretty marginal players to the playoffs.
so you're impressed by tracy mcgrady making the playoffs too?
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shaq also took the magic to the finals, helped the heat win a title
either way, shaq was by far the best player on those laker championship teams
iverson 2001 > kobe 2001
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The Magic who got swept in the Finals? And the Heat who won in spite of, not because of, Shaq? He was terrible in the Finals with the Heat and was completely carried by D-Wade, with a lot of help from the officials who gave D-Whistle the Jordan treatment.
But I'm not arguing Shaq wasn't a great player. He was the most dominant big man in the game during his prime. I was addressing your contention that Kobe rode Shaq's coattails. Neither the stats nor the game film support your conclusion. I suspect you didn't watch Shaq and Kobe play from 2000 to 2003. Or did you?
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so you're impressed by tracy mcgrady making the playoffs too?
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McGrady doesn't impress me.
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The Magic who got swept in the Finals? And the Heat who won in spite of, not because of, Shaq? He was terrible in the Finals with the Heat and was completely carried by D-Wade, with a lot of help from the officials who gave D-Whistle the Jordan treatment.
But I'm not arguing Shaq wasn't a great player. He was the most dominant big man in the game during his prime. I was addressing your contention that Kobe rode Shaq's coattails. Neither the stats nor the game film support your conclusion. I suspect you didn't watch Shaq and Kobe play from 2000 to 2003. Or did you?
that was way before shaq's prime and would kobe get that magic team to the finals? i know shaq wasn't the man with the heat, just like kobe wasn't the man with the lakers
all i'm saying is kobe wasn't the best player on 3 of his title teams, people need to stop using his titles in their ridiculous argument comparing him to the great MJ, he is not MJ and he will have to win at least 3 more for me to consider it a valid comparison
that will be 4 titles without shaq, 2 more mvp's would help too
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McGrady doesn't impress me.
why not? he's been to the playoffs with marginal players
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lol. How old were you when Magic and Bird were playing?
eh..you dont have to be jack ramsay to speak on players before your generation.
how old were you when wilt was dominating?
im sure you still recognize him as an all time great.
jordan has all the accolades and rings with not nearly the surplus of HOF talent like magic did.
And there is really no argument that puts kobe ahead of jordan imo.
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Celtics will win sorry reg.
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that was way before shaq's prime and would kobe get that magic team to the finals? i know shaq wasn't the man with the heat, just like kobe wasn't the man with the lakers
all i'm saying is kobe wasn't the best player on 3 of his title teams, people need to stop using his titles in their ridiculous argument comparing him to the great MJ, he is not MJ and he will have to win at least 3 more for me to consider it a valid comparison
that will be 4 titles without shaq, 2 more mvp's would help too
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I have no idea if Kobe would have led the Magic to the Finals.
Regarding Kobe riding Shaq's coattails, here are the regular season stats from 2000-2003:
2000
Shaq 29.7 points, 13.7 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 3.0 blocks, .5 steals
Kobe 22.5 points, 6.5 rebounds, 4.9 assists, .9 blocks, 1.6 steals
2001
Shaq 28.7 points, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 2.8 blocks, .6 steals
Kobe 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, .6 blocks, 1.7 steals
2002
Shaq 27.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 2.0 blocks, .6 steals
Kobe 25.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.5 assists, .4 blocks, 1.5 steals
2003
Shaq 27.5 points, 11. 1 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.4 blocks, .6 steals
Kobe 30.0 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.9 assists, .8 blocks, 1.6 steals
I haven't looked at the playoff numbers, but I'm sure they follow the same trend. I watched the games. They were both dominant players. There is no factual basis to say Kobe rode Shaq's coattails.
So, the numbers don't support your contention. Maybe there is something you saw during the games? Did you watch them play?
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why not? he's been to the playoffs with marginal players
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Because McGrady is a talented player who has never been a team leader. He doesn't play defense. He disappears in big games. He has never been a winner. He is not tough. He is not durable.
But what does this have to do with Kobe? Just to recap, you said Kobe never went to the playoffs without Phil/Shaq. When I showed you that wasn't accurate and that he took some pretty marginal players to the playoffs, you then brought up McGrady. Not sure how this relates to Kobe making the playoffs with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown?
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I have no idea if Kobe would have led the Magic to the Finals.
Regarding Kobe riding Shaq's coattails, here are the regular season stats from 2000-2003:
2000
Shaq 29.7 points, 13.7 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 3.0 blocks, .5 steals
Kobe 22.5 points, 6.5 rebounds, 4.9 assists, .9 blocks, 1.6 steals
2001
Shaq 28.7 points, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 2.8 blocks, .6 steals
Kobe 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, .6 blocks, 1.7 steals
2002
Shaq 27.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 2.0 blocks, .6 steals
Kobe 25.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.5 assists, .4 blocks, 1.5 steals
2003
Shaq 27.5 points, 11. 1 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.4 blocks, .6 steals
Kobe 30.0 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.9 assists, .8 blocks, 1.6 steals
I haven't looked at the playoff numbers, but I'm sure they follow the same trend. I watched the games. They were both dominant players. There is no factual basis to say Kobe rode Shaq's coattails.
So, the numbers don't support your contention. Maybe there is something you saw during the games? Did you watch them play?
he wasn't the best player on championship teams, which kills the "kobe is on jordan's level" argument
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eh..you dont have to be jack ramsay to speak on players before your generation.
how old were you when wilt was dominating?
im sure you still recognize him as an all time great.
jordan has all the accolades and rings with not nearly the surplus of HOF talent like magic did.
And there is really no argument that puts kobe ahead of jordan imo.
Aren't you about 20 years old? That means you weren't alive during the golden years of the NBA. I asked about your age because of what I mentioned earlier: people often have a generational "bias." That is, they are more persuaded by what they see, not what they hear about.
For example, because you're pretty young, "fo, fo, and fo" probably wouldn't mean anything to you (unless you Goggle it). You probably didn't watch the Bad Boys play. The LA Express is foreign. The magic that Bird worked on the court wouldn't mean much. If I were to tell you Dennis Rodman was pound-for-pound the best rebounder and defender I've ever seen, you wouldn't have a frame of reference. Or if I said Malone was an absolute beast on the boards, you'd probably think I was talking about Karl and not Moses. If said the Ice Man was one of the greatest scorers in NBA history, you likely wouldn't know anything about that.
That's why I don't have players like Wilt, Russell, Robertson, etc. on my list. I didn't see them play. Because of this, I don't ridicule people who say Wilt is the greatest player of all time, when they actually watched him play.
It has actually been pretty fun to introduce my kids to the players I grew up watching. Youtube is a great thing. :)
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Because McGrady is a talented player who has never been a team leader. He doesn't play defense. He disappears in big games. He has never been a winner. He is not tough. He is not durable.
But what does this have to do with Kobe? Just to recap, you said Kobe never went to the playofs without Phil/Shaq. When I showed you that wasn't accurate and that he took some pretty marginal players to the playoffs, you then brought up McGrady. Not sure how this relates to Kobe making the playoffs with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown?
but he still took marginal players to the playoffs, you don't think he would've had more success if he played with a prime shaq and had phil as his coach?
i said kobe didn't go to the playoffs when shaq and phil left, i didn't say he missed the playoffs every year, and like i said all average nba teams make the playoffs so it makes no difference
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he wasn't the best player on championship teams, which kills the "kobe is on jordan's level" argument
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Earl you said he rode Shaq's coattails. I just gave you to stats to show that simply wasn't true.
Did you watch them play from 2000 to 2003?
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but he still took marginal players to the playoffs, you don't think he would've had more success if he played with a prime shaq and had phil as his coach?
i said kobe didn't go to the playoffs when shaq and phil left, i didn't say he missed the playoffs every year, and like i said all average nba teams make the playoffs so it makes no difference
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No, I don't think McGrady would have been any better than he is today for the reasons I already gave about his game.
Here is what you said about Kobe:
kobe missed the playoffs without phil/shaq
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That statement is not true. At best, it is misleading.
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Here is one take on the Kobe v. Jordan "argument":
Kobe Bryant vs. Michael Jordan argument is no longer heresy
By Mike Wise
Monday, May 31, 2010
PHOENIX
If we're going to have the conversation, we might as well go to one of the primary sources, no?
Greatest of all time, you or Michael?
"That's hard for me," Kobe Bryant said, walking to another team bus after another virtuoso performance in late May. "I'm still young. Our careers are so different."
But what if you win a championship this season and one or two more rings before you retire? That would equal or surpass Michael Jordan's haul of titles. Don't we have to start talking about it?
"You can, but I don't know if it's fair to anyone," Kobe said. "I mean, I came off the bench early in my career. We had such different beginnings, you know? And then I played with a much different team about halfway through my career. You almost have to judge my career in two phases."
He's right.
There was Kobe With Shaq and Kobe Without Shaq; Michael always had Scottie Pippen.
Kobe came straight from high school; Michael stayed three years at North Carolina. Kobe is working on his fifth title at 31 years old; Michael didn't win his fifth until he was 34 years old.
Yet for the bulk of their careers, they both also had Phil Jackson, the greatest coach in the game.
"He's comparable [to Jordan]," Jackson said of Bryant on Saturday night in the desert outside the coach's room at U.S. Airways Arena. "He's got the same drive and determination."
Jackson had just watched the game's most accomplished player pour in 37 points and two of the most jaw-dropping shots in the final two minutes of a close-out victory over the Phoenix Suns in the Western Conference finals, shots that pushed the Lakers into their third straight NBA Finals and seventh in the last 11 seasons.
So, he was essentially asked, what if Michael's surreal highlights start to be referred to as "Kobe-esque?" Or is that just heresy? Should we play the "Greatest of All Time" game?
"People are going to do it," Jackson replied.
What about you?
"I will hold back observation until that time."
Okay, that's a maybe. And raise your hand right now if you thought Phil would ever go there on any level?
We can play "Who Had More 40- and 50-point games?" and "Who Holds More NBA records?" and break down raw numbers forever. And it won't do anything but satisfy the people who calibrate the game instead of celebrate it.
But the entire debate is really immaterial in some ways, isn't it? Because in the G.O.A.T. argument, the problem for Bryant isn't about production -- it's about perception.
The unfortunate truth for Kobe is he can never be Michael because he isn't thought of as likable as Jordan, also the greatest commercial pitchman ever for an athlete. Even if he tied or surpassed Jordan in championships and postseason magical moments, Bryant's public missteps -- the prideful ego war with Shaquille O'Neal early in his career, the sexual assault charge eventually dropped in Colorado and his desire to leave the Lakers only a few years ago -- will always be held against him.
"Let's say he does get two more rings," Tim Legler, the former player and now an ESPN analyst, said recently in a telephone interview. "Even if he doesn't win any more MVP awards, he will probably approach Kareem Abdul-
Jabbar's all-time scoring record. You absolutely can make a valid argument for Kobe being the greatest ever when that happens.
"But he will never be revered like Michael Jordan will be revered," Legler added. "He's never been beloved like Michael has been beloved. Very little of that has to do with what happened in Vail [Colo.] or anything with Shaq.
"There's still something about him. So many people question how genuine Kobe is. He's chosen to not let people really get to know him."
Because we sadly convince ourselves that what we see on television equals who someone is, Kobe won't even go down as the greatest Laker in history. Magic Johnson wrapped that up for eternity a long time ago.
Purely based on his professional persona, I think Kobe gets shortchanged on the image issue. See, Michael was as cutthroat and undiplomatic and nasty as a champion ever was. By the time he put on the suit and tie, though, he was a much better actor. With his megawatt smile and disarming wink, he could conceal the shadow side of him in ways Kobe never really cared if he concealed.
When I ran that thought by Kobe late Saturday night in Phoenix, he didn't completely agree. "He wasn't better at hiding it," Kobe said of Michael. "I think there was just less media coverage."
Either way, it's time to stop ignoring the possibility there will ever be a player of Jordan's ilk -- and maybe better.
"Yeah, you can compare them," said Brian Shaw, the Lakers assistant coach who played with Kobe and against both players. "They're made of the same stuff. The difference: I think Michael had just bigger hands. He could palm the ball off the dribble. I don't think Kobe can do that."
I sought out Steve Kerr for the final say. He played with Michael and against Kobe. Kerr intimately felt the moments when Michael siphoned the soul from a team's season, no more than the night he shot down Utah on the road in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals.
Flash forward to another Game 6, Western Conference finals, 12 years later. Thirty-five seconds left, game in the balance. The best player on the court squares and fires off-balance from the right wing with hands in his face. Good. Another visiting arena is crestfallen, its team's season over. Kerr, now the Phoenix Suns general manager, intimately felt that shot puncture more than a great year.
"He's the only guy you can legitimately say is right there with Michael," Kerr said. "Kobe actually has better shooting range than Michael. Now, Michael was more physical. The rules when he played allowed the Knicks to maul him. But in the end, they're both killers and the most incredible players of their eras."
It's easy to appreciate both for their talents and their triumphs this time of year.
It's harder to acknowledge the truth and just say it: If Kobe Bryant wins his fifth title in the next two weeks and wins two more championships before he retires to give him seven rings, he has to be given the nod as the greatest individual talent ever to play in the NBA.
As hard as that might be to hear for Michael and his legions, that's not heresy anymore.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/30/AR2010053003391.html
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Earl you said he rode Shaq's coattails. I just gave you to stats to show that simply wasn't true.
Did you watch them play from 2000 to 2003?
by saying that i was saying that shaq was clearly the best player, not saying he was adam morrison
yes in the playoffs when it counts
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No, I don't think McGrady would have been any better than he is today for the reasons I already gave about his game.
Here is what you said about Kobe:
That statement is not true. At best, it is misleading.
i could've sworn i saw jeannie buss at the lottery drawing after the 2005 season
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by saying that i was saying that shaq was clearly the best player, not saying he was adam morrison
yes in the playoffs when it counts
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Understood.
Amazing how people can watch the same thing and see something completely different. That's one of the things that makes life interesting.
In any event, what I saw during that playoff run was two dominant players. Neither would have won without the other. I don't think it really matters who the won the MVP.
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i could've sworn i saw jeannie buss at the lottery drawing after the 2005 season
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I mentioned this earlier, but they did miss the playoffs once, which is how they got Bynum in the lottery.
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Here is one take on the Kobe v. Jordan "argument":
Kobe Bryant vs. Michael Jordan argument is no longer heresy
By Mike Wise
Monday, May 31, 2010
PHOENIX
If we're going to have the conversation, we might as well go to one of the primary sources, no?
Greatest of all time, you or Michael?
"That's hard for me," Kobe Bryant said, walking to another team bus after another virtuoso performance in late May. "I'm still young. Our careers are so different."
But what if you win a championship this season and one or two more rings before you retire? That would equal or surpass Michael Jordan's haul of titles. Don't we have to start talking about it?
"You can, but I don't know if it's fair to anyone," Kobe said. "I mean, I came off the bench early in my career. We had such different beginnings, you know? And then I played with a much different team about halfway through my career. You almost have to judge my career in two phases."
He's right.
There was Kobe With Shaq and Kobe Without Shaq; Michael always had Scottie Pippen.
Kobe came straight from high school; Michael stayed three years at North Carolina. Kobe is working on his fifth title at 31 years old; Michael didn't win his fifth until he was 34 years old.
Yet for the bulk of their careers, they both also had Phil Jackson, the greatest coach in the game.
"He's comparable [to Jordan]," Jackson said of Bryant on Saturday night in the desert outside the coach's room at U.S. Airways Arena. "He's got the same drive and determination."
Jackson had just watched the game's most accomplished player pour in 37 points and two of the most jaw-dropping shots in the final two minutes of a close-out victory over the Phoenix Suns in the Western Conference finals, shots that pushed the Lakers into their third straight NBA Finals and seventh in the last 11 seasons.
So, he was essentially asked, what if Michael's surreal highlights start to be referred to as "Kobe-esque?" Or is that just heresy? Should we play the "Greatest of All Time" game?
"People are going to do it," Jackson replied.
What about you?
"I will hold back observation until that time."
Okay, that's a maybe. And raise your hand right now if you thought Phil would ever go there on any level?
We can play "Who Had More 40- and 50-point games?" and "Who Holds More NBA records?" and break down raw numbers forever. And it won't do anything but satisfy the people who calibrate the game instead of celebrate it.
But the entire debate is really immaterial in some ways, isn't it? Because in the G.O.A.T. argument, the problem for Bryant isn't about production -- it's about perception.
The unfortunate truth for Kobe is he can never be Michael because he isn't thought of as likable as Jordan, also the greatest commercial pitchman ever for an athlete. Even if he tied or surpassed Jordan in championships and postseason magical moments, Bryant's public missteps -- the prideful ego war with Shaquille O'Neal early in his career, the sexual assault charge eventually dropped in Colorado and his desire to leave the Lakers only a few years ago -- will always be held against him.
"Let's say he does get two more rings," Tim Legler, the former player and now an ESPN analyst, said recently in a telephone interview. "Even if he doesn't win any more MVP awards, he will probably approach Kareem Abdul-
Jabbar's all-time scoring record. You absolutely can make a valid argument for Kobe being the greatest ever when that happens.
"But he will never be revered like Michael Jordan will be revered," Legler added. "He's never been beloved like Michael has been beloved. Very little of that has to do with what happened in Vail [Colo.] or anything with Shaq.
"There's still something about him. So many people question how genuine Kobe is. He's chosen to not let people really get to know him."
Because we sadly convince ourselves that what we see on television equals who someone is, Kobe won't even go down as the greatest Laker in history. Magic Johnson wrapped that up for eternity a long time ago.
Purely based on his professional persona, I think Kobe gets shortchanged on the image issue. See, Michael was as cutthroat and undiplomatic and nasty as a champion ever was. By the time he put on the suit and tie, though, he was a much better actor. With his megawatt smile and disarming wink, he could conceal the shadow side of him in ways Kobe never really cared if he concealed.
When I ran that thought by Kobe late Saturday night in Phoenix, he didn't completely agree. "He wasn't better at hiding it," Kobe said of Michael. "I think there was just less media coverage."
Either way, it's time to stop ignoring the possibility there will ever be a player of Jordan's ilk -- and maybe better.
"Yeah, you can compare them," said Brian Shaw, the Lakers assistant coach who played with Kobe and against both players. "They're made of the same stuff. The difference: I think Michael had just bigger hands. He could palm the ball off the dribble. I don't think Kobe can do that."
I sought out Steve Kerr for the final say. He played with Michael and against Kobe. Kerr intimately felt the moments when Michael siphoned the soul from a team's season, no more than the night he shot down Utah on the road in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals.
Flash forward to another Game 6, Western Conference finals, 12 years later. Thirty-five seconds left, game in the balance. The best player on the court squares and fires off-balance from the right wing with hands in his face. Good. Another visiting arena is crestfallen, its team's season over. Kerr, now the Phoenix Suns general manager, intimately felt that shot puncture more than a great year.
"He's the only guy you can legitimately say is right there with Michael," Kerr said. "Kobe actually has better shooting range than Michael. Now, Michael was more physical. The rules when he played allowed the Knicks to maul him. But in the end, they're both killers and the most incredible players of their eras."
It's easy to appreciate both for their talents and their triumphs this time of year.
It's harder to acknowledge the truth and just say it: If Kobe Bryant wins his fifth title in the next two weeks and wins two more championships before he retires to give him seven rings, he has to be given the nod as the greatest individual talent ever to play in the NBA.
As hard as that might be to hear for Michael and his legions, that's not heresy anymore.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/30/AR2010053003391.html
Kobe is still only 31 years old. To compare Kobe to Jordan a this stage, it's not even close, IMO. The comparison that I see is both players will to win and competitiveness. Jordan would kill your child in order to win a game.
Jordan also never played with a dominant center or post player like Kobe did with Shaq. Steve Kerr makes a great point, too. Jordan was still dominant even when defenses were allowed to be much more physical. The Pistons and Knicks used to throw everything they had at Jordan and he still would drop 40 points, routinely.
Kobe has 4 rings while Jordan has six. Kobe still has some catching up to do.
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Kobe is still only 31 years old. To compare Kobe to Jordan a this stage, it's not even close, IMO. The comparison that I see is both players will to win and competitiveness. Jordan would kill your child in order to win a game.
Jordan also never played with a dominant center or post player like Kobe did with Shaq. Steve Kerr makes a great point, too. Jordan was still dominant even when defenses were allowed to be much more physical. The Pistons and Knicks used to throw everything they had at Jordan and he still would drop 40 points, routinely.
Kobe has 4 rings while Jordan has six. Kobe still has some catching up to do.
Good points.
Jordan never had a dominant center (and there have only been a handful the past 20 or so years anyway), but he wasn't facing dominant centers either for the most part. He did, however, play with Pippin, supposedly one of the NBA's 50 greatest of all time.
I also don't think the number of rings dictates how great a player was. In other words, if Kobe "only" winds up with four or five, that doesn't mean he wasn't as good or better than Jordan.
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Good points.
Jordan never had a dominant center (and there have only been a handful the past 20 or so years anyway), but he wasn't facing dominant centers either for the most part. He did, however, play with Pippin, supposedly one of the NBA's 50 greatest of all time.
I also don't think the number of rings dictates how great a player was. In other words, if Kobe "only" winds up with four or five, that doesn't mean he wasn't as good or better than Jordan.
I agree. That being said, Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time, IMO. And Kobe IS NOT the 2nd greatest player of all time.
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not even the best laker
magic
kareem
wilt
shaq
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I agree. That being said, Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time, IMO. And Kobe IS NOT the 2nd greatest player of all time.
All a matter of opinion. You could make an argument for Kobe, Magic, Kareem, West, Shaq, Wilt, and even Worthy.
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not even the best laker
magic
kareem
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I'm going with kareem all time best laker.
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Aren't you about 20 years old? That means you weren't alive during the golden years of the NBA. I asked about your age because of what I mentioned earlier: people often have a generational "bias." That is, they are more persuaded by what they see, not what they hear about.
For example, because you're pretty young, "fo, fo, and fo" probably wouldn't mean anything to you (unless you Goggle it). You probably didn't watch the Bad Boys play. The LA Express is foreign. The magic that Bird worked on the court wouldn't mean much. If I were to tell you Dennis Rodman was pound-for-pound the best rebounder and defender I've ever seen, you wouldn't have a frame of reference. Or if I said Malone was an absolute beast on the boards, you'd probably think I was talking about Karl and not Moses. If said the Ice Man was one of the greatest scorers in NBA history, you likely wouldn't know anything about that.
That's why I don't have players like Wilt, Russell, Robertson, etc. on my list. I didn't see them play. Because of this, I don't ridicule people who say Wilt is the greatest player of all time, when they actually watched him play.
It has actually been pretty fun to introduce my kids to the players I grew up watching. Youtube is a great thing. :)
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I understand your POV, but i cant stand people (fans :P) who are of the notion that: "well, i never seen so and so play, so i have no right to speak on them"
its like oh..youre one of those types.. :-\ ;D
Stats are a decent frame of reference not just word of word of mouth. You probably were a adolescent brat with no semblance of the sport when ali did most of his damage in the ring. Does it mean any less when you call him the greatest if not the greatest ever ? No..the accomplishments speak for themselves, grandpa ;) :D
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I'm going with kareem all time best laker.
Definitely in the conversation. You get no argument from me.
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I understand your POV, but i cant stand people (fans :P) who are of the notion that: "well, i never seen so and so play, so i have no right to speak on them"
its like oh..youre one of those types.. :-\ ;D
Stats are a decent frame of reference not just word of word of mouth. You probably were a adolescent brat with no semblance of the sport when ali did most of his damage in the ring. Does it mean any less when you call him the greatest if not the greatest ever ? No..the accomplishments speak for themselves, grandpa ;) :D
I didn't say you don't have a right to speak. Just putting your opinion in context. If you go back and read what I said, I included myself in your category, because, for example, I never saw Oscar Robertson play. If I saw a player average a triple double for an entire season, I might be calling him the best I've ever seen.
You'll understand this more in about 15 or 20 years when all of the current players you watch now are retired, and some youngster starts talking about a young player being the "best ever," etc.
I was a huge boxing fan before the sport went into the toilet (at least the heavyweight division).
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I understand your POV, but i cant stand people (fans :P) who are of the notion that: "well, i never seen so and so play, so i have no right to speak on them"
its like oh..youre one of those types.. :-\ ;D
Stats are a decent frame of reference not just word of word of mouth. You probably were a adolescent brat with no semblance of the sport when ali did most of his damage in the ring. Does it mean any less when you call him the greatest if not the greatest ever ? No..the accomplishments speak for themselves, grandpa ;) :D
I buy this. It's the same for those who claim others cannot comment on something if they have never done it. Ex: insert dipstick pro athlete asking a fan if they've ever played a sport at a high level, and then acting as if the fans opinion is no good since they have not.
I guess none of us should vote for/have an opinion on a President, since we've never run a country before.
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I'm going with kareem all time best laker.
No need to decide on "the best Laker" they are a team from the assistant eqipment managers aid up to Jerry Buss! Everyone all together makes them great. Kobe is just a part of the organization.
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No need to decide on "the best Laker" they are a team from the assistant eqipment managers aid up to Jerry Buss! Everyone all together makes them great. Kobe is just a part of the organization.
Come on reg who do you think is the best laker all time?
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I agree with Jerry. :)
West: Kobe is best Laker ever
When Jerry West talks, people listen. He spent his entire career in Los Angeles, then coached the team for three seasons and followed that up with a short stint as a Lakers scout before building the 1980s Lakers that won three titles. Jerry West is a Laker through and through, and when it comes to all-time Laker greats, if you said Jerry West was the greatest, a lot of people would agree with you. Except Jerry West. "[Kobe's] playing the best basketball I have ever seen him play to be honest with you. [...] There's no better player that I've ever seen than him... He's the greatest Laker player that we have ever seen."
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/193031-west-kobe-is-best-laker-ever?eref=sihp
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maybe he's biased because he traded to get him when he was just in high school
when kobe was a junior in high school, his team lost in the Pa eastern finals to the team my high school beat in the state championship
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maybe he's biased because he traded to get him when he was just in high school
when kobe was a junior in high school, his team lost in the Pa eastern finals to the team my high school beat in the state championship
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Perhaps. Or maybe he has a more informed opinion because he has seen Kobe and other Laker greats play so much.
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nope
kobe is becoming the most overrated athlete ever
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nope
kobe is becoming the most overrated athlete ever
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Article excerpt:
Just ask Phoenix Suns coach Alvin Gentry.
“Every time we got it close, Kobe made an incredible tough shot that is well defended,” said Gentry, whose team lost 4-2 in the Western Conference finals because they simply couldn’t hold Bryant in check.
In six games against the Suns, Bryant averaged 33.7 points and shot 52% from the field and 43% from the 3-point line. And in the series-clinching Game 6, he scored nine points in the final three minutes to fend off a furious fourth-quarter rally by the Suns.
“I’ve always been a big fan of his, and he knows that, and I’ve always thought he’s the best player in basketball,” said Gentry. “He didn’t do anything in this series against us that made me think otherwise. As a matter of fact, it probably solidified my thought process that he’s the best player in basketball right now.”
Better than, dare I say, Michael Jordan?
“Now, I’m not going to get into that. I might work for the Bobcats some day,” Gentry said. “All I’m saying, at this time right now, he’s the best player in basketball. It’s not even close.”
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/alvin-gentry-kobe-bryant-is-the-best-player-in-the-nba
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From D-Whistle:
And now Dwyane Wade is making a statement of his own: Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player in the game today.
“I believe that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the game, his experience and his overall talent. It’s not taking away from LeBron, it’s not taking away from Carmelo, it’s not taking away from myself,” Wade told ESPN Radio Chicago. “Kobe has been in the game longer than the rest of us, he’s older than us, he’s smart with the game. He’s the better player.”
http://dimemag.com/2009/06/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-is-still-the-best-player-in-the-game/
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To differentiate between Bryant and James, the Suns' Grant Hill, who has been charged with guarding both, turns to a baseball metaphor.
"LeBron has the pullup jumper and he takes you to the rim," said Hill. "He has the two pitches, and, trust me, both of them are great. But Kobe is like the guy with all the pitches. He brings his fastball, his change, gives you something on the corner. LeBron will overpower you but you might know what's coming. With Kobe, you're never comfortable."
There is also that ineffable something known as will. Earlier this season Orlando's feisty Matt Barnes was standing close to Bryant when he feigned throwing a ball at Bryant's face. Bryant never even flinched. "That scared me a little," Barnes said later. "I mean, that wasn't even human."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jack_mccallum/05/28/kobe/index.html
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From D-Whistle:
And now Dwyane Wade is making a statement of his own: Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player in the game today.
“I believe that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the game, his experience and his overall talent. It’s not taking away from LeBron, it’s not taking away from Carmelo, it’s not taking away from myself,” Wade told ESPN Radio Chicago. “Kobe has been in the game longer than the rest of us, he’s older than us, he’s smart with the game. He’s the better player.”
http://dimemag.com/2009/06/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-is-still-the-best-player-in-the-game/
I agree on Kobe being the best today, Jordan was best ever.
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I agree on Kobe being the best today, Jordan was best ever.
I didn't start the Kobe vs. Jordan argument in this thread (I don't think?) and don't really care much about it. I wouldn't really argue with anyone who thinks Jordan is the best player in NBA history. Or Larry Bird. Or Wilt. Kareem. Magic. You could even throw an outside the box name in the mix like Isaiah Thomas. As I've said, all just a matter of opinion.
And now back to the Kobe is da man excerpts. :D From Kevin Durant:
Durant knew better and he laughed at the notion that Bryant could no longer play at a MVP level.
“Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league, one of the best players in the world,” Durant told reporters after his team was destroyed, 111-87, in Game 5 by Bryant’s Lakers and is now on the brink of elimination down 3-2 in the series. Durant was held to 17 points (13 points below his regular-season average) and the Thunder shot just 37% from the field.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/kevin-durant-kobe-bryant-is-best-player-in-nba
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1. Bryant has won 3 All Star MVP Awards. He started in every single NBA All Star game.
2. Bryant has won 4 NBA championships. In each, it cannot be denied that he led his team to victory.
3. Bryant also won the 2009 NBA Finals MVP after the Lakers defeated the Rockets.
4. Bryant was the scoring champion in both 2006 and 2007.
5. In 2006, Bryant scored 81 points against the Toronto Raptors which is the second highest number of points scored in a single game in NBA history. He had only been in the NBA for 10 years then.
6. Bryant is an NBA All Star. 2009 is his 11th consecutive year.
7. Bryant won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1997.
8. Bryant currently holds 10 NBA records and shares 2. Among those are most three point field goals made in one game and youngest player to score 20,000 points.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2448818/kobe_bryant_is_the_best_player_of_our.html?cat=14
I'd add his NBA All Defense selections every year. Outscoring the entire Dallas Mavericks team through three quarters. His triple doubles. Dunking on seven footers, including Yao, David Robinson, and Tim Duncan. Blocking Yao's shot. Any many more.
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"I think what we've seen from Kobe in the last two, three years is that he has become an incredible leader," former Lakers great Magic Johnson said about Bryant. "That was the only thing he had to do that was left on his resume. Before, there was no question that he was the best basketball player in the world, like he is now. He was dominant every night, but he didn’t take on that leadership role. ... Now, he is the total package."
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/46066/nbas_top_50_players_all-star_panel_picks_kobe_bryant_no._1_over_lebron_james
O.K. I'm done for now. Almost lunchtime. :)
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I didn't start the Kobe vs. Jordan argument in this thread (I don't think?) and don't really care much about it. I wouldn't really argue with anyone who thinks Jordan is the best player in NBA history. Or Larry Bird. Or Wilt. Kareem. Magic. You could even throw an outside the box name in the mix like Isaiah Thomas. As I've said, all just a matter of opinion.
And now back to the Kobe is da man excerpts. :D From Kevin Durant:
Durant knew better and he laughed at the notion that Bryant could no longer play at a MVP level.
“Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league, one of the best players in the world,” Durant told reporters after his team was destroyed, 111-87, in Game 5 by Bryant’s Lakers and is now on the brink of elimination down 3-2 in the series. Durant was held to 17 points (13 points below his regular-season average) and the Thunder shot just 37% from the field.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/kevin-durant-kobe-bryant-is-best-player-in-nba
Sorry to get off topic bro I just had to throw that in.
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Its fair to place kobe in Jordan and Bird status, Jordan and bird were fierce competitors they had a hunger to win, Kobe does too, lebron is young, he will get there hopefully, but Kobe and lebron are not in the same leauge right now, james is better physically, thats all.
I feel the lakers will win it all.
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Sorry to get off topic bro I just had to throw that in.
No worries. Not off topic at all.
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Its fair to place kobe in Jordan and Bird status, Jordan and bird were fierce competitors they had a hunger to win, Kobe does too, lebron is young, he will get there hopefully, but Kobe and lebron are not in the same leauge right now, james is better physically, thats all.
I feel the lakers will win it all.
I think they win too, but it's going to be a very tough series. Will be some elbows flying today.
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were my posts deleted?
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Its fair to place kobe in Jordan and Bird status, Jordan and bird were fierce competitors they had a hunger to win, Kobe does too, lebron is young, he will get there hopefully, but Kobe and lebron are not in the same leauge right now, james is better physically, thats all.
I feel the lakers will win it all.
you put Farmar in the same sentence with Bird and Kobe? How coolo. Now his head wont fit inside Staples! :D
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you put Farmar in the same sentence with Bird and Kobe? How coolo. Now his head wont fit inside Staples! :D
hahaha, Michael jordan.
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hahaha, Michael jordan.
I kind of knew was playing with it though.
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Why is the Celtics vs Lakers thread locked?
Great series. Props to Boston for leaving it all on the floor. Thrilled with the outcome. I'm exhausted. :)