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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MindSpin on April 07, 2010, 05:36:38 PM
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http://progenexusa.com/Blog/post/Dr-Connelly-Talks-About-Insulin-Body-Weight-and-Energy-Production.aspx
Adonis, can't wait to see you chime in.
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Uh Calorie Reduction or Caloric Expenditure is THE ONLY modus operandi to lose fat.
By counting calories you then know if you need to reduce them in order to facilitate fat loss.
Its really not that complicated.
Tell me, what other way is there for a human being to lose fat? Magic?
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Uh Calorie Reduction or Caloric Expenditure is THE ONLY modus operandi to lose fat.
By counting calories you then know if you need to reduce.
Its really not that complicated.
Tell me, what other way is there for a human being to lose fat? Magic?
Watch the video...it's only 11 minutes.
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Watch the video...it's only 11 minutes.
Connelly has lost his mind. Calories or overall energy expenditure or lack thereof is THE MOST important thing in regards to weight gain or weight loss. You`ll be hard pressed to find a peer-reviewed study in opposition to that point.
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Furthermore his argument is totally around the margins and he uses extreme examples which are not representative of the average person, eating normal food in regular amounts.
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No this shit again :(
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So Tell me Mindspin, what other way is there for a human being to lose fat besides being in a Caloric Deficit via reducing caloric intake or expending enough calories through exercise. Magic?
Counting calories is just an easy method to use in order to determine if you need to adjust up or down your caloric intake.
The only thing mythical is any claim to the contrary. So tell me again, what other way is there?
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damn i wanna buy progenix now ..
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An oldie but a goodie in that it still has never been falsified despite all the confusion. Get that NEVER has been falsified.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WN4-4C4FMW6-JJ&_user=10&_coverDate=03/31/1964&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1285740643&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d2a738c61fcc81eb3c0871f97b08f081
Calories do count
Laurance W. Kinsell M.D.a, Barbara Gunning Ph.D.a, George D. Michaels Ph.D.a, James Richardson M.D.a, Stephen E. Cox M.D.a and Calvin Lemon M.D.a
aThe Institute for Metabolic Research, Highland-Alameda County Hospital, Oakland, Calif., USA
Received 27 November 1963. Available online 10 April 2004.
Abstract
There have been statements in the medical and the lay literature to the effect that weight loss occurs more rapidly with diets high in fat and protein asc compared to equi-caloric diets containing large amounts of carbohydrate. In the present study, subjects have been maintained for many weeks on constant calorie intake. At intervals, the composition of the diet has been changed, the fat intake varying from 12 to 83 per cent, protein from 14 to 36 per cent, and carbohydrate from 3 to 64 per cent of total calories. In any given subject, the rate of weight loss was essentially constant throughout the entire study. It is therefore obvious that the significant factor responsible for weight loss is reduction of calories, irrespective of the composition of the diet.
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Uh Calorie Reduction or Caloric Expenditure is THE ONLY modus operandi to lose fat.
By counting calories you then know if you need to reduce them in order to facilitate fat loss.
Its really not that complicated.
Tell me, what other way is there for a human being to lose fat? Magic?
haha
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Oh lord here comes the cut & paste
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Adonis is right the only way to lose fat is cutting calories , the question is how do you do this without losing muscles that's when Adonis is wrong..
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haha
He won`t answer because he can`t. I`m sick and tired of the mumbo-jumbo people try to peddle off as "science".
I liked the part where Connelly showed random pictures of William Shatner, a Squirrel and a late 19th Century woman with Severe Lipodystrophy.
Snake oil at its finest.
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Adonis is right the only way to lose fat is cutting calories , the question is how do you do this without losing muscles that's when Adonis is wrong..
What are you talking about? I've lost around twenty two pounds of fat and my strength has only increased? As far as I know strength is a good indicator of whether or not you're losing or gaining muscle mass?
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patrick bateman is on a diet, you can always look better
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Adonis is right the only way to lose fat is cutting calories , the question is how do you do this without losing muscles that's when Adonis is wrong..
How am I wrong.
1. .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight in protein just to be safe.
2. Start at a caloric amount say 2500.
3. Reduce calories if and when necessary.
Don`t make this more difficult than it needs to be, because it is not.
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What are you talking about? I've lost around twenty two pounds of fat and my strength has only increased? As far as I know strength is a good indicator of whether or not you're losing or gaining muscle mass?
Before and after pictures ,please .
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What are you talking about? I've lost around twenty two pounds of fat and my strength has only increased? As far as I know strength is a good indicator of whether or not you're losing or gaining muscle mass?
dont know about that when you re fatty you are stronger
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How am I wrong.
1. .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight in protein just to be safe.
2. Start at a caloric amount say 2500.
3. Reduce calories if and when necessary.
Don`t make this more difficult than it needs to be, because it is not.
The Adonis Principles didn't say nothing about protein before.
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Before and after pictures ,please .
Eyeball Chambers: Silence............
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Connelly has lost his mind. Calories or overall energy expenditure or lack thereof is THE MOST important thing in regards to weight gain or weight loss. You`ll be hard pressed to find a peer-reviewed study in opposition to that point.
What if the "peers" doing the reviewing aren't up to par?
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Eyeball Chambers: Silence............
Just kidding, I'll probably blow your minds with some pictures in May when I've got a tan. :D
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I agree with Adonis here!! Ive been logging cals for a month now and dropping pounds again. Its simple you just gotta be consistrent with it.
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The Adonis Principles didn't say nothing about protein before.
Of course they did. The message got lost in all the bickering everyone used to do.
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A lot of bullshit in that video. And let me guess, his magic whey proteins are going to fix all these metabolic problems, allowing one to increase calories dramatically while losing weight/fat.
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I agree with Adonis here!! Ive been logging cals for a month now and dropping pounds again. Its simple you just gotta be consistrent with it.
Exactly. The more consistent you are, the easier it is to know how much to adjust if needed.
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I agree with Adonis here!! Ive been logging cals for a month now and dropping pounds again. Its simple you just gotta be consistrent with it.
I've lost weight slowly, no more than two pounds (of fat) a week. Protein intake on average is around 105g daily (weight is about 180 right now), I'm stronger in every movement.
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A lot of bullshit in that video. And let me guess, his magic whey proteins are going to fix all these metabolic problems, allowing one to increase calories dramatically while losing weight/fat.
I especially liked the part where he used a 19th Century Circus Photograph of a woman with Lipodystrophy.
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I agree with Adonis here!! Ive been logging cals for a month now and dropping pounds again. Its simple you just gotta be consistrent with it.
You have so much muscle that you could probably shake your dick and burn off 2 lbs. I can see the Dr. point. He never indicated that this was the same with muscular people. You are much more different than a random couch potato.
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You have so much muscle that you could probably shake your dick and burn off 2 lbs.
haha ;D
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Watched the whole video, just nonsense. Just another naysayer who cant tell you the most efficient way to lose fat.
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You have so much muscle that you could probably shake your dick and burn off 2 lbs. I can see the Dr. point. He never indicated that this was the same with muscular people. You are much more different than a random couch potato.
Yes because everybody is William Shatner, a Squirrel or a 19th Century Circus Freak with a rare Congenital Disease. The entire thing was just ludicrous and bizarre.
Connelly must be bored or in need of some new investment property if he is hawking this crap, Kevin Trudeau style. Next thing you know we will turn on the TV at 3 am and see Scott with a new book, "Supplements THEY don`t want YOU to know about.
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I think a big point that he's making is being lost by alot of people here.He's saying that you cant pinpoint the exact amount of fat you lose per week by simply saying this week im going to go 1000 calories under maintenance a day in my eating while also burning 500 calories a day cardio per week so Ill be losing 3 pounds of fat a week and if I do this for 10 weeks Ill lose exactly 30 pounds.He's saying it isnt an exact science on pinpointing how much exactly you can lose, which is true.
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I think a big point that he's making is being lost by alot of people here.He's saying that you cant pinpoint the exact amount of fat you lose per week by simply saying this week im going to go 1000 calories under maintenance a day in my eating while also burning 500 calories a day cardio per week so Ill be losing 3 pounds of fat a week and if I do this for 10 weeks Ill lose exactly 30 pounds.He's saying it isnt an exact science on pinpointing how much exactly you can lose, which is true.
I'm an amateur, and I was pretty damn accurate. After calculating my basel energy expenditure, I played with caloric intake until I was losing calories at the rate I desired, and I only needed to re-adjust my intake to keep weight loss consistent about monthly.
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ROFLMAO 2:50 seconds into the video Scott Connely says sarcastically- "YOU want to relate Energy and Mass in a simple and arithmetic way?????? COME on...THIS is nonsense!!!!
ROFLMAAOAOAAAAGAHGAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
Tell Albert Einstein that E = mc2, the Mass Energy Equivalence, is Nonsense.
This guy is nothing more than a rambling Mountebank. A charlatan who cashes in on the fact that his audience doesn`t know what HE is talking about. Works every time.
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So what "diet" does he advocate ......or is he just saying it's a genetic lottery and that's that - unless you buy his potions and fart powders ?
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How do you guys know how many calories you're burning day to day?
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How do you guys know how many calories you're burning day to day?
You don`t really need to know that. What would be the point? If you are in a deficit than you are obviously burning everything you ingested.
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Mindspin doesn't really believe the video, he's just trying to get a reaction out of people like he has been in various other of threads lately. I didn't fall for it and waste 11 minutes of my life by clicking the link and watching, although I guess I did lose 2 by reading this thread and replying
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Honest questions Adonis, curious of your thoughts here:
1) 0.5 to 1 gram per lb bodyweight is a pretty big range, if you had to narrow it down would you be closer to the 1 gram or the 0.5 gram figure?
2) You gave a starting point of 2500 calories. If one was to go extreme and only eat, say 1500 calories per day to speed up the fat loss even if he needs 2800 calories per day to maintain his weight, would the protein requirement at 1500 cals be higher than it would be if one were to stick to 2500 cal or even 2000 calories?
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what if you ALL of your calories came from Texas Pete and you almost immediately shit it right out? I bet you could drink 5000 calories of that shit daily and lose weight.
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First of all that was Jerry Lewis not William Shatner.
Second, I think people are missing the greater point of what he was saying. It's not as simple as calories in/calories out. I think that if people stop and think they will realize they they probably know people who demonstrate this. There are a lot of variables and Insulin is an important one.
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GENETICS....
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So Tell me Mindspin, what other way is there for a human being to lose fat besides being in a Caloric Deficit via reducing caloric intake or expending enough calories through exercise. Magic?
Counting calories is just an easy method to use in order to determine if you need to adjust up or down your caloric intake.
The only thing mythical is any claim to the contrary. So tell me again, what other way is there?
Liposuction.
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Uh Calorie Reduction or Caloric Expenditure is THE ONLY modus operandi to lose fat.
By counting calories you then know if you need to reduce them in order to facilitate fat loss.
Its really not that complicated.
Tell me, what other way is there for a human being to lose fat? Magic?
Tried explaining something similar to this to you years ago and I completely owned you, you were just to retarded to understand so I gave up. Dr. Connelly explained it very articulately. As for the highlighted....you'd never understand.
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First off the whole video is 90 min. Second he didn't say you don't lose weight from not lowering your calories, he said it wasn't as simple as a calorie being a calorie, other factors were involved. Sort of like how I told Panda and wavelength, you can store fat while being under your required daily calories depending on how many calories you ate in a setting.
You gotta love how some of you morons will disagree with a respected doctor, but agree with a "some guy" on the internet.
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People are missing the point. You have to be in a deficit to lose. Simple as. Stop overcomplicating it with the whole breakdown of what every single god damn maco and micro nutrient does and eat an adequate amount of foods from a wide variety of sources. NATURE sets the limits and boundries of the human physique, not the person. What is it with people and the mentality that they can simply work out loads, eat loads of protein but little else because protein is "magic" and be better off for it. It simply doesn't work that way, you can't alter reality.
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Second he didn't say you don't lose weight from not lowering your calories, he said it wasn't as simple as a calorie being a calorie, other factors were involved. Sort of like how I told Panda and wavelength, you can store fat while being under your required daily calories depending on how many calories you ate in a setting.
You gotta love how some of you morons will disagree with a respected doctor, but agree with a "some guy" on the internet.
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I'm pretty sure he said calories have NOTHING to do with how much fat you store and how much you weigh, and that is simply ridiculous. Of course hormones matter in how much muscle you retain, in what pattern you store fat, and etc. Of course it's important to eat adequate protein (cue wavelength). But him showing pics of rodents and people with pathological conditions was ridiculous. Yeah we're all on prednisone. ::):D
Who cares if you store triglycerides during a snapshot of the day. You are always storing and releasing fat. It's the total daily energy balance that determines the net effect.
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http://progenexusa.com/Blog/post/Dr-Connelly-Talks-About-Insulin-Body-Weight-and-Energy-Production.aspx
Adonis, can't wait to see you chime in.
This is like saying the world is flat.
You're dumb..........no, seriously
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I also believe that overall calories are what determine fat loss or fat gain. An optimal protein and carb intake for muscle maintenance and that's it.
Of course a person may have different metabolic rate or a better tolerance for carbs, but the caloric deficit will determine fat loss.
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So what diet is this Doctor advocating...or is he just saying "change your genetics"?
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hahaha jezebelle is just a fictional character adonis made up so he could have an e-girlfriend.
it is just pure coincidence 'she' starts posting rapidly as adonis gets timed out
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Bump! ;D
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An oldie but a goodie in that it still has never been falsified despite all the confusion. Get that NEVER has been falsified.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WN4-4C4FMW6-JJ&_user=10&_coverDate=03/31/1964&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1285740643&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d2a738c61fcc81eb3c0871f97b08f081
Calories do count
Laurance W. Kinsell M.D.a, Barbara Gunning Ph.D.a, George D. Michaels Ph.D.a, James Richardson M.D.a, Stephen E. Cox M.D.a and Calvin Lemon M.D.a
aThe Institute for Metabolic Research, Highland-Alameda County Hospital, Oakland, Calif., USA
Received 27 November 1963. Available online 10 April 2004.
Abstract
There have been statements in the medical and the lay literature to the effect that weight loss occurs more rapidly with diets high in fat and protein asc compared to equi-caloric diets containing large amounts of carbohydrate. In the present study, subjects have been maintained for many weeks on constant calorie intake. At intervals, the composition of the diet has been changed, the fat intake varying from 12 to 83 per cent, protein from 14 to 36 per cent, and carbohydrate from 3 to 64 per cent of total calories. In any given subject, the rate of weight loss was essentially constant throughout the entire study. It is therefore obvious that the significant factor responsible for weight loss is reduction of calories, irrespective of the composition of the diet.
LOL...never been falsified? You might want to take a look at these two studies:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9
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LOL...never been falsified? You might want to take a look at these two studies:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9
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Do you ever learn?
1. The first study is in total agreement with what I posted. It states that a Low-Calorie/Restricted Calorie Mediterranean diet may be beneficial. In principle This is EXACTLY what I advocate. Low-Calorie and Calorie Restricted being the key here.
2. I have always maintained a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro nutrient. A protein is not a carbohydrate, a fat is not a protein and so on. Seriously, do you even bother to comprehend what I post?
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LOL...never been falsified? You might want to take a look at these two studies:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9
Also did you not see how close the weight loss between all 3 groups in the Second "Study"?
It does not differ statistically whatsoever nor does it prove anything. It is also a silly study as it is not taking the same individual and testing different diets, in fact its taking totally different groups of people and trying different diets.
What if someone has a lower or higher hormonal levels than the next person? What if someone is doing more exercise than the next person? What if someone were a different height or different muscle mass? Did anyone have any medical conditions?
Stupid study. Incredibly stupid since there are way too many variables to even "prove" anything.
I am about to give you the best piece of advice you have ever gotten that will work for everyone no matter what-
Bottom Fuckign line is, if you want to lose weight reduce your damn calories to get into a deficit. How goddamn difficult do you want to make it and why?
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Also did you not see how close the weight loss between all 3 groups in the Second "Study"?
It does not differ statistically whatsoever nor does it prove anything. It is also a silly study as it is not taking the same individual and testing different diets, in fact its taking totally different groups of people and trying different diets.
What if someone has a lower or higher hormonal levels than the next person? What if someone is doing more exercise than the next person? What if someone were a different height or different muscle mass? Did anyone have any medical conditions?
Stupid study. Incredibly stupid since there are way too many variables to even "prove" anything.
I am about to give you the best piece of advice you have ever gotten that will work for everyone no matter what-
Bottom Fuckign line is, if you want to lose weight reduce your damn calories to get into a deficit. How goddamn difficult do you want to make it and why?
Anyone who wants to "lose weight" should follow your advise. Anyone who wants to lose "fat" and/or gain "muscle" should forget about "a calorie is a calorie", and focus on macro-nutrient composition.
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Anyone who wants to "lose weight" should follow your advise. Anyone who wants to lose "fat" and/or gain "muscle" should forget about "a calorie is a calorie", and focus on macro-nutrient composition.
Which by default you HAVE to focus on calorie restriction, hence counting calories. No matter what, you can`t avoid it.
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Calories, protein, weight training = all that counts for optimal body composition.
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check the time stamp on my post here:
scott connely is very smart but his comments at the beginning about being unable to compare energy and mass.... were humorous.. :)
BOOM ta..... "BOOM"
ROFLMAO 2:50 seconds into the video Scott Connely says sarcastically- "YOU want to relate Energy and Mass in a simple and arithmetic way?????? COME on...THIS is nonsense!!!!
ROFLMAAOAOAAAAGAHGAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
Tell Albert Einstein that E = mc2, the Mass Energy Equivalence, is Nonsense.
This guy is nothing more than a rambling Mountebank. A charlatan who cashes in on the fact that his audience doesn`t know what HE is talking about. Works every time.
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http://progenexusa.com/Blog/post/Dr-Connelly-Talks-About-Insulin-Body-Weight-and-Energy-Production.aspx
Adonis, can't wait to see you chime in.
i stopped watching when he belittled the relation betwee mass and energy...while on the other had...a Jewish clerk made history by relating the 2 together.. ( E = MC^2 :-\)
HOWEVER...to disregard him completely , as so many here r doing is(i only read page 1 of this thread)
1) being blind to the probable fact that no one contributing in this thread is a doctor
2) most on this thread "maybe" long time ago memorized the Krebs cycle for an anatomy test and promptly forgot it the following week...let alone pretending that we actually have as bright an understanding of the subject matter as Dr Connelly