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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Wiggs on April 30, 2010, 12:08:38 PM
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“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”
There is only one exception such as in John McCain's (Born in Panama, his father was an Admiral in the U.S. Navy) ... "They based this clause on the following; “Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ’‘the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .’’ 96 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown.”
My feeling is that if we give people the option to be American Citizens, we should give them all the rights. Give me one valid reason they shouldn't have the right to be? There are millions of foreign born citizens there are worth more than the natural born pieces of shite we have here. I say let the people vote on it. Give them a chance and of the people say no, then let it be.
This country was built with the hands of immigrants and I find there to be no valid reason today that foreign born citizens should not be able to hold the highest office of this great land.
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here come the right wing nuts guns blazing against the damn dirty messicans and negros.
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Sir, you have come to the right place for Consitutional law discussions...
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Sir, you have come to the right place for Consitutional law discussions...
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You're really no better than the far-right lunatics. Of course you think you are, and that's what makes it so funny. :D
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Sir, you have come to the right place for Consitutional law discussions...
I understand only a handful of people might be able to intellectually defend or agree and make valid arguments and these I wish to hear from.
So, 240, uberman, Wavelength, Unsung, guys like this that have half a brain? It doesn't matter if you are American or not. Pick a side and defend.
Guys like Chaos in the 80-95 IQ range please get someone to explain what I wrote.
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you forgot Cage Fighting Legend. and bodyfat of 0.00000000001
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I understand only a handful of people might be able to intellectually defend or agree and make valid arguments and these I wish to hear from.
So, 240, uberman, Wavelength, Unsung, guys like this that have half a brain? It doesn't matter if you are American or not. Pick a side and defend.
Guys like Chaos in the 80-95 IQ range please get someone to explain what I wrote.
Uberman has half a brain? That guy can't even spell or punctuate correctly and yet you think he's smart? Now I've seen it all. ::)
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you forgot Cage Fighting Legend. and bodyfat of 0.00000000001
that about sums it up .....
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the leader (we call it premier) of our state in australia is american born... she aint bad looking either.
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You're really no better than the far-right lunatics. Of course you think you are, and that's what makes it so funny. :D
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Uberman has half a brain? That guy can't even spell or punctuate correctly and yet you think he's smart? Now I've seen it all. ::)
I don't think he's American. I know plenty of intelligent people that aren't the best spellers. I disagree with 90% of what he says but it's clear he has something going on upstairs...
Fatpanda and Tbombz get in on this also.
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Almost every civilized country in the world vigorously enforces their immigration laws. Why should America be any different?
I'm guessing you don't care about the fact that there have been 1,000+ kidnappings in Phoenix alone over the last 2 years. Never mind, I forgot that I'm talking to a far-left lunatic. Far-left, far-right. Both suck. :D
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There's a difference between rights and privileges.
We give naturalized citizens - not resident aliens - the right to vote.
But only a natural born citizen may have the privilege of becoming President.
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well i think once you become a citizen you do get 'all the rights', am i right?
except for the ability to be president, is that what you are referring to?
the answer is of course anyone who is a full citizen of the US should be 'allowed to'. theres no legitimate reason why not -considering that america is not a nation-state but rather at its root just a mix of immigrants from all over the world.
the only reason for this pointless technicality in there is xenophobia/racism
if obama or mccain or any other obviously lifelong american citizen were technically born somewhere else what the fuck difference does it make?
what if it came out that ronald reagan was actually born in mexico or something, what would that change? what would the right wing nuts say to that?
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Almost every civilized country in the world vigorously enforces their immigration laws. Why should America be any different?
I'm guessing you don't care about the fact that there have been 1,000+ kidnappings in Phoenix alone over the last 2 years. Never mind, I forgot that I'm talking to a far-left lunatic. Far-left, far-right. Both suck. :D
I agree with what Arizona did. The Feds will never do anything whether Obama or McCain in Office. The states have every right to do what they're doing as long as no laws are being broken. I think other states should follow.
The main rebuttals I hear from people are: Arizona doesn't have any other crime to worry about? That's racial profiling.
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There's a difference between rights and privileges.
We give naturalized citizens - not resident aliens - the right to vote.
But only a natural born citizen may have the privilege of becoming President.
Ok...What was the point of what you said? No one is talking about Resident Aliens. We are talking about Resident Aliens that become American citizens, they can vote and have every right you and I do as naturalized citizens EXCEPT running for president.
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well i think once you become a citizen you do get 'all the rights', am i right?
except for the ability to be president, is that what you are referring to?
the answer is of course anyone who is a full citizen of the US should be 'allowed to'. theres no legitimate reason why not -considering that america is not a nation-state but rather at its root just a mix of immigrants from all over the world.
the only reason for this pointless technicality in there is xenophobia/racism
if obama or mccain or any other obviously lifelong american citizen were technically born somewhere else what the fuck difference does it make?
what if it came out that ronald reagan was actually born in mexico or something, what would that change? what would the right wing nuts say to that?
WHUUURRRZZZ THE BURTH CURTIFICATE??????
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exactly. I want to hear what someone who is against it has to say and their reasonings
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Almost every civilized country in the world vigorously enforces their immigration laws. Why should America be any different?
most other civilized nations are nation-states with a common ethnicity/language/culture going back hundreds of thousands of years, so it makes sense that they would want to make sure their nations retain their common heritage. i think it would actually be great if england/france/germany etc..put stringent caps/limits to their immigration. the post-WW2 mentality they all adopted where they are scared to death to do anything that might be construed as 'racist' or politically incorrect which has led to waves of foreign immigrants has, from what ive heard made their nations more shitty in general for the actual natives.
america is a completely different thing; its just an idea , a place that has no commonalities like the nations above, its started out as and has always been just a collection of immigrants. there is no native culture/heritage/race to preserve-what the country is has developed from a mixture of everything. funny thing is, once one group got there, they tried to pretend that they were the 'real americans' and rallied against any other immigrating group. the english hated the irish,(nowadays irish-americans are considered as american as apple pie), then they both hated the italians(no one hates them now), then they all hated the chinese who came (now asians are considered a model minority), currently now everyone hates on the latin americans coming over...its just the same old bs throughout history. in 50 years they will be considered as normal and 'american' as the irish and italians and then everyone will be hating on the fucking indonesians or whoever comes over next.
I'm guessing you don't care about the fact that there have been 1,000+ kidnappings in Phoenix alone over the last 2 years. Never mind, I forgot that I'm talking to a far-left lunatic. Far-left, far-right. Both suck. :D
what the hell does have to do with whether or not someone who was born in ___ then moved to america when he was 1 year old and lived his entire life as an american should not be able to be considered as 'american' as anyone else?
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Haha, what a crock of shit. Laws are laws, regardless of the reasoning behind them. Spin it anyway you want but that's the truth, hypocrite. With regards to European countries, even with their lax immigration laws, they still vehemently enforce said laws when it comes to illegals and the like. Same goes for countries outside of Europe like Japan and Korea. This is a fact. And no, America isn't different because it happens to be a cultural mixing pot.
And my point about the kidnappings has everything to do with the crime that has come to Arizona following illegal immigrants and the cartels, moron. And your response to that was beyond idiotic. If someone has lived here from 1 years old and made no attempt to become a citizen, then they are a retard and a leech on society. Said person probably takes full advantage of the healthcare and doesn't pay any taxes. Yes, he deserves it alright. ::)
The irony in this entire situation is that Mexico's anti-immigration laws put America's to shame. Yet you won't hear a peep about that. We're the only country in the world expected to bend over backwards for people breaking the law. Seems to be a recurring theme.
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Haha, what a crock of shit. Laws are laws, regardless of the reasoning behind them. Spin it anyway you want but that's the truth, hypocrite. With regards to European countries, even with their lax immigration laws, they still vehemently enforce said laws when it comes to illegals and the like. Same goes for countries outside of Europe like Japan and Korea. This is a fact. And no, America isn't different because it happens to be a cultural mixing pot.
And my point about the kidnappings has everything to do with the crime that has come to Arizona following illegal immigrants and the cartels, moron. And your response to that was beyond idiotic. If someone has lived here from 1 years old and made no attempt to become a citizen, then they are a retard and a leech on society. Said person probably takes full advantage of the healthcare and doesn't pay any taxes. Yes, he deserves it alright. ::)
The irony in this entire situation is that Mexico's anti-immigration laws put America's to shame. Yet you won't hear a peep about that. We're the only country in the world expected to bend over backwards for people breaking the law. Seems to be a recurring theme.
wtf are you talking about? of course they would have to become a citizen LOL thats a given.
Wiggs thread was asking why someone who is an american citizen and is as 'american' as anyone else is prohibited from being able to run for president on a the technicality that they were not born here. why are you talking about mexican cartel activity in arizona???
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wtf are you talking about? of course they would have to become a citizen LOL thats a given.
Wiggs thread was asking why someone who is an american citizen and is as 'american' as anyone else is prohibited from being able to run for president on a the technicality that they were not born here. why are you talking about mexican cartel activity in arizona???
You refuted my point about the kidnappings with your sentence about someone living in America from 1 years old and not being considered an American. The fuck are you rambling about?
Then again, I might have a better time understanding the "points" you're trying to make if you hadn't constructed your post like an illiterate fourth grader. Or are you too dumb to realize that my post that was directed at Wiggs had nothing to do with his question? I'm guessing reading comprehension is hard for you if you couldn't tell that.
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i look past the fact you didnt mention me as someone with credible input on the subject
im positive that the clause is a preventative measure in defense of their country from foreign invaders.
a "trojan horse" candidate if you will.
the founding fathers probably envisioned some british duke coming over, gaining citizenship, using his royal inheritance to win the americn presidecny campaigning under false pretense...and then turning over the country back o the british
now days we probabl imagine a chinese, muslim, argentenian, north korean.. etc
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i look past the fact you didnt mention me as someone with credible input on the subject
im positive that the clause is a preventative measure in defense of their country from foreign invaders.
a "trojan horse" candidate if you will.
the founding fathers probably envisioned some british duke coming over, gaining citizenship, using his royal inheritance to win the americn presidecny campaigning under false pretense...and then turning over the country back o the british
now days we probabl imagine a chinese, muslim, argentenian, north korean.. etc
I actually did...look down further where I mentioned you and Panda.
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I actually I did...look down further where I mentioned you and Panda.
;D didnt see that
i was just kidding about caring if you mentioned me anyways..
but yeah, that would be the reasoning behind that..
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Last night, Arnold was on Leno. And Leno was asking him who he thinks will be the republican's candidate for presidency, and Arnold said something like "you're only saying this to torture me because you know I can't run since I'm not born here". Leno then asked him if they changed the law, who he run? and Arnold answered "Without a doubt!"
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Tbombz, you are pretty correct. A foreign born citizen is thought to have allegiances to their birth country. Have you ever heard foreign born citizens complaining that "In their country..." or noticed that some Mexican born citizens are very nationalistic, they are not Americans, but still Mexicans.
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Sir, you have come to the right place for Consitutional law discussions...
ahahahahah ;D
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i look past the fact you didnt mention me as someone with credible input on the subject
im positive that the clause is a preventative measure in defense of their country from foreign invaders.
a "trojan horse" candidate if you will.
the founding fathers probably envisioned some british duke coming over, gaining citizenship, using his royal inheritance to win the americn presidecny campaigning under false pretense...and then turning over the country back o the british
now days we probabl imagine a chinese, muslim, argentenian, north korean.. etc
Yes but there are too many checks and balances for anyone to do anything crazy. In addition, because religion seems to be the flavor of the month, it would be like Obama going in and putting in Muslims (since right wingers seem to believe he is) and doing damage that way... Point is the President could never really get out of control no matter who he or she is because there are tons of checks and balances. But yes that is what I believe also their original reasons were.
Now there is no reason to not let them run. At least let them have a chance.
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I understand only a handful of people might be able to intellectually defend or agree and make valid arguments and these I wish to hear from.
So, 240, uberman, Wavelength, Unsung, guys like this that have half a brain? It doesn't matter if you are American or not. Pick a side and defend.
Guys like Chaos in the 80-95 IQ range please get someone to explain what I wrote.
Why do you wish to hear from people who are not even from this country?
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The only person that I can see on this site that can even remotely answer something like this would be 333386.
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Yes but there are too many checks and balances for anyone to do anything crazy. In addition, because religion seems to be the flavor of the month, it would be like Obama going in and putting in Muslims (since right wingers seem to believe he is) and doing damage that way... Point is the President could never really get out of control no matter who he or she is because there are tons of checks and balances. But yes that is what I believe also their original reasons were.
Now there is no reason to not let them run. At least let them have a chance.
If the requirement was repealed then i dont think there would be any problems in the near future with it.
but i do think thta over time, maybe hundreds, or even thousands of years (if life is still here on earth) from now there would be some instance of this occuring....
maybe a big country like the USA gets a "manchurian candidate" elected and he fucks things up pretty bad before they get a handle on things...
or maybe a big country like the USA systematically gets US born patriots into the presidency of every other coutry n the planet and then rules the world..or something similar ;D .....
whatever may by the event, i do think that history will/would eventually advocate this measure.. its valid
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio for President 8)
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Why do you wish to hear from people who are not even from this country?
Because the limited intellect of the Americans on this board, I have to outsource to other countries for better talent...I'm sure you understand that being "Publican" and all.
It doesn't matter if they're American, can they not have an opinion because they're not American? Most of the greatest ideas and ideologies come from people NOT American.
You care to weigh on this or are you too xenophobic cause I let none Americans in?
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Because the limited intellect of the Americans on this board, I have to outsource to other countries for better talent...I'm sure you understand that being "Publican" and all.
It doesn't matter if they're American, can they not have an opinion because they're not American? Most of the greatest ideas and ideologies come from people NOT American.
You care to weigh on this or are you too xenophobic cause I let none Americans in?
I don't know about that...
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Why do you wish to hear from people who are not even from this country?
lmao! dude! why do you insist on speaking? do you see the title of this thread?? founding fathers!!! do you know where our founding fathers came from, and their influences ?? ;D ;D ;D ;D dude!! you have zero clue!!! politics isnt a game, this isnt high school, government policy has the potential for extreme good and extreme bad... you really need to rethink this whole thing pal
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I agree, naturalized citizens should be allowed to run for president, BUT only after they have lived in the USA x number of years to qualify for presidential election...
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I understand only a handful of people might be able to intellectually defend or agree and make valid arguments and these I wish to hear from.
So, 240, uberman, Wavelength, Unsung, guys like this that have half a brain? It doesn't matter if you are American or not. Pick a side and defend.
Guys like Chaos in the 80-95 IQ range please get someone to explain what I wrote.
LOL
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I don't know about that...
Don't kid yourself we've only been around 200+ years. The world wasn't created 200+ years ago.
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The only person that I can see on this site that can even remotely answer something like this would be 333386.
Gee I wonder why? ::)
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lmao! dude! why do you insist on speaking? do you see the title of this thread?? founding fathers!!! do you know where our founding fathers came from, and their influences ?? ;D ;D ;D ;D dude!! you have zero clue!!! politics isnt a game, this isnt high school, government policy has the potential for extreme good and extreme bad... you really need to rethink this whole thing pal
Ok "pal". Haha, don't insult my intelligence little man unless you know EXACTLY where I'm coming from. Fucking 19 years old, no job, doesn't pay taxes, depends on parents for survival yet you're an "expert" in everything. You don't even fucking vote (admittedly).
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Don't kid yourself we've only been around 200+ years. The world wasn't created 200+ years ago.
We didn't invent democracy, we just mastered it.
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We didn't invent democracy, we just mastered it.
Look around, we haven't mastered jack shit.
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I don't think there has ever been a native American president anyway.
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I agree, naturalized citizens should be allowed to run for president, BUT only after they have lived in the USA x number of years to qualify for presidential election...
So do you think Arnold should qualify?
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Look around, we haven't mastered jack shit.
They took rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrr jobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbs!!!
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So do you think Arnold should qualify?
No, not yet at least... I think you should have 10 years naturalized citizenship and 10+ years civil service before being considered for president...
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Brilliance that's yet to be surpassed...
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Have any of you fine gentlemen watched the History Channel mini series: AMERICA: The story of us. It was excellent last Sunday. I highly suggest it. It's been repeating all week.
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so what would a non born in the usa president potentially do that makes people worried about this?
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So do you think Arnold should qualify?
after the way things have gone in Cali...NO! but since he IS Arnold, lets give him another shot. Maybe Indiana or Wyoming or such. Get that right then ......
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so what would a non born in the usa president potentially do that makes people worried about this?
If a non born USA citizen proves through civil work (puttin in the time) that they truly want to be a servant of the American public. I don't see a problem with it....
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so what would a non born in the usa president potentially do that makes people worried about this?
nothing
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lmao! dude! why do you insist on speaking? do you see the title of this thread?? founding fathers!!! do you know where our founding fathers came from, and their influences ?? ;D ;D ;D ;D dude!! you have zero clue!!! politics isnt a game, this isnt high school, government policy has the potential for extreme good and extreme bad... you really need to rethink this whole thing pal
I'm willing to bet out Founding Founders came from this big ol place called America. Influense yes, could be British, but by this time we had already had a distinctly American flair---the rebelling upstart that questioned Europe's Authority and Monarchy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States)
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you can become prime minister in my country without being voted into the job by the people - only your party has to endorse you and if they are currently in power the current prime minister is out and you're in!
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you can become prime minister in my country without being voted into the job by the people - only your party has to endorse you and if they are currently in power the current prime minister is out and you're in!
The USA would have already gotten into a 2nd civil war if the parties did that
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who gives a shit if he is allowed to run....its not like the president has his say in the matters anyway.....
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The USA would have already gotten into a 2nd civil war if the parties did that
give it 12-20 years...there will be another....and it will be led by the anti-christ herself...sarah palin...
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give it 12-20 years...there will be another....and it will be led by the anti-christ herself...sarah palin...
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she's too fuking stupid to lead anything
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The USA would have already gotten into a 2nd civil war if the parties did that
nobody cared... the old prime minister was past his prime so the young buck got the party numbers and forced him out at a party meeting.
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she's too fuking stupid to lead anything
i have bad news for you.....at least 2 out of every 5 americans are just as fucking stupid as she is....
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give it 12-20 years...there will be another....and it will be led by the anti-christ herself...sarah palin...
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She will be an after thought by the time the next election comes up
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She will be an after thought by the time the next election comes up
no she wont...to many stupid american women relate to her...she will be around for a long time to come...
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She will be an after thought by the time the next election comes up
duh.....You have that right, but don't sleep on the opposition. She will not be a candidate on purpose.
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no she wont...to many stupid american women relate to her...she will be around for a long time to come...
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She just gives the super conservatives a reason to get behind another public figure that doesn't believe in evolution or dinasours
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She just gives the super conservatives a reason to get behind another public figure that doesn't believe in evolution or dinasours
exactly....and thats why she will continue to be a folk hero for the mentally challenged for years to come...
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“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”
There is only one exception such as in John McCain's (Born in Panama, his father was an Admiral in the U.S. Navy) ... "They based this clause on the following; “Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ’‘the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .’’ 96 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown.”
My feeling is that if we give people the option to be American Citizens, we should give them all the rights. Give me one valid reason they shouldn't have the right to be? There are millions of foreign born citizens there are worth more than the natural born pieces of shite we have here. I say let the people vote on it. Give them a chance and of the people say no, then let it be.
This country was built with the hands of immigrants and I find there to be no valid reason today that foreign born citizens should not be able to hold the highest office of this great land.
The founders place this restriction because they were guarding against the British reclaiming political power. The requirement is outdated now and should be repealed which is a very difficult process.
In the case of McCain, there is an exception if both parents are citizens and when the person is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. Meaning that you are out of the United States in service to your country when your child is born such as a diplomat or, in McCain's case, service in the military (his father).
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You know what bugs me about presidential elections, when people vote for a candidate because "oh he's one of us, he's one of the people, he's just like us, so he can relate to my issues"...
Fuck that, I don't want "one of us" to be president, I want fucking superman to be president, I want someone who's BETTER than us, because lets face it, the majority of "us" ain't all that great!
Can you imagine if someone from GETBIG became president!!!
(http://www.freewebs.com/supermanfans/i-cr_supes.jpg)
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the founding fathers probably envisioned some british duke coming over, gaining citizenship, using his royal inheritance to win the americn presidecny campaigning under false pretense...and then turning over the country back o the british
I don't think the US president has the power to do that, never mind "The most powerful man in the world" title.
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I don't think the US president has the power to do that, never mind "The most powerful man in the world" title.
Exactly, like i said, too many checks and balances.
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I'm willing to bet out Founding Founders came from this big ol place called America. Influense yes, could be British, but by this time we had already had a distinctly American flair---the rebelling upstart that questioned Europe's Authority and Monarchy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States)
check the link buddy, 9 of those founding fathers were not born as americans nor in america.
Alexander Hamilton, to name one. :)
and their influences british? not so much..
i suggest you do some reading :)
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I don't think the US president has the power to do that, never mind "The most powerful man in the world" title.
does he not ? maybe not an official power delegated to him via the constitution... but why in the world would any man be given that power? but consider the available power a president does have.. now your thinking
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1-Don't understand the interest of promoting immigration when unemployment rate is over 10 %.
2-Don't understand the interest of promoting immigration when an important rate of these immigrant are lazy ass who can't find a place in their own country, these "low quality immigrant" can only produce criminal, unemployed, welfare people.
3-People who blame other people for being racist or for their action against immigration generally live far away from area where they're lot of immigrant, they generally live in quiet place, clean place, with low criminality, so they got a partial view of real life.
4-the melting pot is just a theory.
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This country was built with the hands of immigrants and I find there to be no valid reason today that foreign born citizens should not be able to hold the highest office of this great land.
Before speaking of great theory you should replace the thing in their context.
The theory of a country being built by immigrant is O.K but there a difference beetwen the "pionnier" who travel througt USA two centuries ago, fighting againt natural element, dying of disease by thousand, creating rail, road, town etc and a latino that work at kfc.
It's impossible to compare these people.
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"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”
You're american, right ???
You don't even know your own history.
In this case it's not a racial question.
People who create this constitution came from Europe to Usa because of various persecution (religious, political), so these people want to stay independant with Europa; so only an American can be eligible.
It was a guarantee of autonomy, the apex as the war of independance.
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maybe not an official power delegated to him via the constitution... but consider the available power a president does have.. now your thinking
The first phrase contradicts the second and it's "you're", not "your", but apart from that, No, the president doesn't have the power to single-handedly turn the country over to an overseas monarchy like Britain anymore than they have the power to declare everyone in the country has to subscribe to a certain religion.
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can someone provide a legitimate argument for why the new immigration law shouldn't pass? I mean a real argument, not crying racism.
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The first phrase contradicts the second and it's "you're", not "your", but apart from that, No, the president doesn't have the power to single-handedly turn the country over to an overseas monarchy like Britain anymore than they have the power to declare everyone in the country has to subscribe to a certain religion.
so the government doesnt have the ability to overstep its bounds? no government, no leader, no time in the united states history, and no president of the united states has ever done something they did not technically have the power to do?
a president nor country has ever twisted the powers it has been given so thewy could be used in another way?
what exactly are you trying to say, or argue? if anything at all?
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As a foreign born immigrant who now resides in the US - I think the presidency law is fair as is.
What happens when the US needs to go to war against the country which you were born in, where your parents live, your siblings, your family, lots of people you know.... it would be a major conflict of interest if you were pesident, who will you have allegance to?
The US is even kind enough to let you keep your citizenship in another country.
Some countries (like Singapore) if you immigrate there, you will not be allowed to keep your other citizenship, by law you have to forefeight it if you become a Singaporean citizen.
Stop bitching, the law is fine as is!
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Have any of you fine gentlemen watched the History Channel mini series: AMERICA: The story of us. It was excellent last Sunday. I highly suggest it. It's been repeating all week.
I watched AMERICA with my wife - loved it!
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so the government doesnt have the ability to overstep its bounds? no government, no leader, no time in the united states history, and no president of the united states has ever done something they did not technically have the power to do?
a president nor country has ever twisted the powers it has been given so thewy could be used in another way?
what exactly are you trying to say, or argue? if anything at all?
I'm saying that the President can't turn the country over to a foreign power because they are not the sole representative and constituent of the government.
There are limits to what you can get away with even if you're the president and handing the country over isn't something that's even remotely possible to accomplish, let alone an act that you can get away with later on.
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I'm saying that the President can't turn the country over to a foreign power because they are not the sole representative and constituent of the government.
There are limits to what you can get away with even if you're the president and handing the country over isn't something that's even remotely possible to accomplish, let alone an act that you can get away with later on.
Yes, but seen in the original context of the declaration, this scenario was rather more realistic.
This rule does not exclude the US from bad presidents, not all evil comes from outside, the last decades have shown that most handsomely. Have a look at Berlusconi's trickery in Italy, he managed to get an unhealthy amount of control over the media, he's Italian as can be.
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I'm saying that the President can't turn the country over to a foreign power because they are not the sole representative and constituent of the government.
There are limits to what you can get away with even if you're the president and handing the country over isn't something that's even remotely possible to accomplish, let alone an act that you can get away with later on.
Well sure.. did I ever claim that the president was given the power to transfer power to anyone/any country he wishes??
I did not.
I said, the founding fathers were probably envisioning something along the lines of a british duke coming over, gettin the presidency, then trying to fuck over america and allow britain to become the dominant country once again.
Handing over a country is one thing
destroying it from the inside out is something else
and causing long term irreperable damages is still another
one thing is for certain, the peresident DOES have the power to seriously fuck up the country
My interpretation of the reasonings behind the requirement is accurate. no further speculation necessary :-*
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You know what bugs me about presidential elections, when people vote for a candidate because "oh he's one of us, he's one of the people, he's just like us, so he can relate to my issues"...
Fuck that, I don't want "one of us" to be president, I want fucking superman to be president, I want someone who's BETTER than us, because lets face it, the majority of "us" ain't all that great!
Can you imagine if someone from GETBIG became president!!!
(http://www.freewebs.com/supermanfans/i-cr_supes.jpg)
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD POOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSS STTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
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can someone provide a legitimate argument for why the new immigration law shouldn't pass? I mean a real argument, not crying racism.
it has passed and is law