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Title: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 01:54:41 AM
TA has repetitiously advocated on behalf of pesticides here, often outright mocking anyone who has the slightest concern over pesticides....

In trying to call me out on my gardening, he let this gem slip:

speaking on his own gardening practices:
::)
The object of course is to use as little as possible(pesticides) and companion planting makes that possible.  Industrial Farming makes use of this concept as well.

Industrial farming by and large does not make use of companion planting.  This is bullshit by TA.

So TA, this is what it looks like when they spray pesticides here.  You advocate limiting pesticide use for your own garden, but you think it's stupid to be concerned when purchasing conventional produce from the store?

I say you back up your beliefs and spray your own garden with an equal ratio of what we get from conventional crops in the stores.  Nothing overkill, just the recommended spraying as directed by the manufactuer.  Why would you be worried, or is it that all this time you've been telling us to not worry while you're limiting pesticide use for your own eating?

Here's a few pics for your reference Adonis:  Lets see some pics of you spraying your garden.  As you see, no companion planting.  This is most often what you'll get in the grocery store:


Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 01:55:48 AM
 :)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 01:56:53 AM
 :)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 03:15:23 AM
 ???
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 03:24:57 AM
???
is that your final answer :D ahahahaha
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: gcb on May 01, 2010, 03:29:50 AM
Really they should use that stuff in baby formula it is so good for you
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 03:37:33 AM
uh, I already use non-organic pesticides.   ???
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 03:38:44 AM
Really they should use that stuff in baby formula it is so good for you
It is in baby food, unless you pay more for the organic.  In the other thread I posted a few studies that show children are at the highest risk of adverse effects from pesticides.  but that's not something TA would give a shit about.  He's best at thinking of himself only and of course quoting material sponsored by the pesticide industry. :D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 03:40:31 AM
It is in baby food, unless you pay more for the organic.  In the other thread I posted a few studies that show children are at the highest risk of adverse effects from pesticides.  but that's not something TA would give a shit about.  He's best at thinking of himself only and of course quoting material sponsored by the pesticide industry. :D
Peer-Reviewed studies > Organic Industrial Food Complex claims

Sorry, the evidence is not in your favor.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 03:47:26 AM
uh, I already use non-organic pesticides.   ???
cut the bullshit.  I didn't suggest otherwise!  This is based on your clearly stating the goal is to limit the use of pesticides.  You're suggesting that's what you do for your personal consumption from the garden!  As I've shown above, that is not industry standard.  So while you eat trying to limit the use of pesticides as you stated, people buy produce with the full recommended applications, which you have spent a great deal of time here advocating the safety of!  If it's so safe, what are you worried about?  let's see you spaying your own garden like others would get from the store!

fucking hypocrite lol....
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 03:49:11 AM
Peer-Reviewed studies > Organic Industrial Food Complex claims

Sorry, the evidence is not in your favor.
sorry, the fucking bullshit factor is not in your favor... hypocrite.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 03:52:25 AM
cut the bullshit.  I didn't suggest otherwise!  This is based on your clearly stating the goal is to limit the use of pesticides.  You're suggesting that's what you do for your personal consumption from the garden!  As I've shown above, that is not industry standard.  So while you eat trying to limit the use of pesticides as you stated, people buy produce with the full recommended applications, which you have spent a great deal of time here advocating the safety of!  If it's so safe, what are you worried about?  let's see you spaying your own garden like others would get from the store!

fucking hypocrite lol....
I probably use more (ratio wise) actually.  Either way its totally harmless.  You are melting down hard like a religious lunatic.  Calm down.  Stop your all or nothing nonsense.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 03:58:47 AM
another factor not mentioned by TA in all his copy and paste proof. 

you want to really research this TA, research how much money a company like Monsanto puts into Universities and other instititutions.  especially in schools with big ag programs.  Then spend some time researching the revolving door between these companies an government and these institutions.  Then come back and tell me there's not a conflict of interest in these "studies" you're posting...  I've posted on it before via my own research.  You just google and post the first found item without knowing the background I spent the time to research.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 04:05:30 AM
I probably use more (ratio wise) actually.  Either way its totally harmless.  You are melting down hard like a religious lunatic.  Calm down.  Stop your all or nothing nonsense.
post pics/video then.  what's so hard about that?  sure you use more ::)

pics of your epic 30 variety tomato garden and pics of you opening a fresh bottle of pesticides and spraying your epic garden...

otherwise bs hypocrite boy.


lol, now you're telling us that you use more pesticides than recommended after telling us you employ companion planting in part to limit your use of pesticides...  epic self ownage!!!!!
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 04:12:18 AM
post pics/video then.  what's so hard about that?  sure you use more ::)

pics of your epic 30 variety tomato garden and pics of you opening a fresh bottle of pesticides and spraying your epic garden...

otherwise bs hypocrite boy.


lol, now you're telling us that you use more pesticides than recommended after telling us you employ companion planting in part to limit your use of pesticides...  epic self ownage!!!!!
We use companion planting for taste and to improve the soil quality.  It also attracts more bees.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 04:17:59 AM
We use companion planting for taste and to improve the soil quality.  It also attracts more bees.
you backpeddling sack of shit!

::)
The object of course is to use as little as possible(pesticides) and companion planting makes that possible.  Industrial Farming makes use of this concept as well.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 04:22:26 AM
you backpeddling sack of shit!

???

The object of all farming is to use the least amount of pesticides, non-organic or organic.  This is EXACTLY what industrial farmers do and it is EXACTLY what every farmer or even hobby grower does.

I don`t understand your all or nothing stupidity at all.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 04:26:38 AM
 ::)  now you just want to kill the thread asap by making me repeat myself after you repeat your bullshit...  nice tactic...

We use companion planting for taste and to improve the soil quality.  It also attracts more bees.
you backpeddling sack of shit!

::)
The object of course is to use as little as possible(pesticides) and companion planting makes that possible.  Industrial Farming makes use of this concept as well.

pics or bs!
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 04:28:05 AM
another factor not mentioned by TA in all his copy and paste proof. 

you want to really research this TA, research how much money a company like Monsanto puts into Universities and other instititutions.  especially in schools with big ag programs.  Then spend some time researching the revolving door between these companies an government and these institutions.  Then come back and tell me there's not a conflict of interest in these "studies" you're posting...  I've posted on it before via my own research.  You just google and post the first found item without knowing the background I spent the time to research.
how about you challenge me on this TA?
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 04:37:04 AM
how about you challenge me on this TA?
You would rather believe in unfounded conspiracy theories such as "Hr 875". (how is that one going for you).


You have a lot of emotion invested in non-factual dogmatic belief and no amount of factual evidence will convince you.

You are just like Samson123 and its not even worth debating.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 04:43:45 AM
You would rather believe in unfounded conspiracy theories such as "Hr 875". (how is that one going for you).


You have a lot of emotion invested in non-factual dogmatic belief and no amount of factual evidence will convince you.

You are just like Samson123 and its not even worth debating.
I'm the one that debunked the conspiracy angle jackass!!!  I'm the one that focused on the legit conserns of the bill!!!!  I'm the one that pointed out the extra drama was probably planted misinfo by industry.

you are just like stepping in dog shit, the shoes are pretty much ruined :D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 04:46:34 AM
I'm the one that debunked the conspiracy angle jackass!!!  I'm the one that focused on the legit conserns of the bill!!!!  I'm the one that pointed out the extra drama was probably planted misinfo by industry.

you are just like stepping in dog shit, the shoes are pretty much ruined :D
Bump that thread up.  I need a good laugh.  ;D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 04:52:36 AM
Bump that thread up.  I need a good laugh.  ;D
there were several threads, 30 second search, have fun shithead.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 04:54:04 AM
here is a laugh!!!!


We use companion planting for taste and to improve the soil quality.  It also attracts more bees.

::)
The object of course is to use as little as possible[/color](pesticides) and companion planting makes that possible.  Industrial Farming makes use of this concept as well.[/size]
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 04:55:21 AM
there were several threads, 30 second search, have fun shithead.
EL-O-EL @ you in this thread.




http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=271255.0
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 05:01:09 AM
Just to let you know, watching this thread between you too is hysterical.   ;D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 05:03:01 AM
and?  good thread jackass!  most of the replies were pro, only a few of you idiots against it.  oh and nice red herring!  your'e still the guy who wants to limit your pesticide use while advocating others buy conventional at full dose ::)  hypocrite!!!
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 05:04:01 AM
Just to let you know, watching this thread between you too is hysterical.   ;D
worthless without the popcorn pic :D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: SAMSON123 on May 01, 2010, 05:11:32 AM
Just to let you know, watching this thread between you too is hysterical.   ;D

No one has out done you and Straws 200 page fight 3... That fight should have been in 3D IMAX
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 05:14:16 AM
Its a shame that thread died but discussing anything with him is impossible. 
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 05:16:42 AM
Its a shame that thread died but discussing anything with him is impossible.  
He and the rest of the misinformed Organic hippies should move to Guam.  :D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 05:26:26 AM
The object is for us to limit our pesiticides, but I probably use more pesticides than commercial growers....  BWHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha haah

TA stated that the object is to use as little pesticides as possible and has also stated that their use is totally harmless.  BWHAHahahhahahahahahahah aha

TA has stated that they use companion plants to attract bees and that he uses more pesticides than commercial growers... spray bees with pesticides and see what happens to them :D  They can also be infected by the pollen they pick up and take it back to the hive then die.  Brilliant...  But I'm sure TA has some more industry sponsored studies to show why this is complete bs ::)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 05:31:11 AM
Hugo I was referring to straw.  I can t pm on a blackberry.  I'm waiting for a friend getting ready to take the jet ski out down the hudson river. 
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 05:32:26 AM
The object is for us to limit our pesiticides, but I probably use more pesticides than commercial growers....  BWHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha haah

TA stated that the object is to use as little pesticides as possible and has also stated that their use is totally harmless.  BWHAHahahhahahahahahahah aha

TA has stated that they use companion plants to attract bees and that he uses more pesticides than commercial growers... spray bees with pesticides and see what happens to them :D  They can also be infected by the pollen they pick up and take it back to the hive then die.  Brilliant...  But I'm sure TA has some more industry sponsored studies to show why this is complete bs ::)
You are insane.

Again, the object is to use the least amount of pesticides whether they are organic or non-organic.  This is a Universal in any kind of gardening or farming.

I really think you have a mental issue of some sort as your behavior is entirely erratic.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 05:34:55 AM
Hugo I was referring to straw.  I can t pm on a blackberry.  I'm waiting for a friend getting ready to take the jet ski out down the hudson river. 
Good Stuff!

I have Biceps, Triceps and Burgers to attend to!
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 05:40:33 AM
good job TA

Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 05:41:44 AM
Good Stuff!

I have Biceps, Triceps and Burgers to attend to!
yea asswipe, you tried to make it sound like 3333 was talking about me, he wasn't ::)


Thanks 3333 :)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 05:46:19 AM
yea asswipe, you tried to make it sound like 3333 was talking about me, he wasn't ::)


Thanks 3333 :)
You won`t recover.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: SAMSON123 on May 01, 2010, 05:50:51 AM
He and the rest of the misinformed Organic hippies should move to Guam.  :D

Guam maybe one of the last few places left where a person can really grow ORGANIC food. That american Monsanto shit has been transported around the world and is causing major crop failures, soil destruction and oddly require more pesticides, herbicides and fungicides than the normal chemically treated crops. South Africa had a major corn harvest failure thanks to Monsanto, India lost practically all of its Cotton crops, Bolivia lost its Corn crops, Mexico has had its corn variation destroyed by Monsantos crap corn seeds and many countries are no longer buying anything from Monsanto. You can't see the dangers of these chemicals until you suffer disease or soil/crop failure...then you will understand TA
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 05:54:25 AM
God only knows the crap I inhale living in NYC.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 05:56:40 AM
You are insane.

Again, the object is to use the least amount of pesticides whether they are organic or non-organic.  This is a Universal in any kind of gardening or farming.

I really think you have a mental issue of some sort as your behavior is entirely erratic.
commercial farmers will use the amount required to get the job done.  That is way more than one would need employing the techniques you say you use!  Yet you now say you use more than they do! lol... You're so full of shit...  I want to see a vid of you in your epic 30 variety tomato garden opening up a fresh bottle of pesticides and spraying away.... Let's see it!!!  I'll wait!!!  The growing season is just starting so you have plenty of time!!!!  You have made several other videos for getbig.  You can't back out of this one too... You back out of everything on getbig!!!!  If you're going to make all these huge statements, you should be willing to put up!!!!  Others don't go around shooting their mouth off with absurdities like you do.  Back it up?  Film it and show us!  That's a very minor challenge!!!  Hell, according to you, these are all things you were going to do anyway, so what's the harm in filming it and uploading it?  It's easy, just take your videocam on down to home depot or wherever, buy the shit, take it back and keep filming while you open that fucking up and spray away.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 05:58:49 AM
God only knows the crap I inhale living in NYC.
I don't know about other people but when I go to big cities, my eyes burn like hell for several days then I start to get adjusted some.  But I kid you not going from the country to the city, everytime my eyes burn.  There must be something floating around there :D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 05:59:25 AM
God only knows the crap I inhale living in NYC.
I saw a report on Bedbugs making a resurgence in your area.  That true?


Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 06:00:19 AM
You won`t recover.
I won't recover when you're the one that lied about the post ::)  Maybe you meant to say, "I won't recover"
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 06:01:29 AM
Bedbugs are the least of my concerns. Lol.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 06:06:27 AM
There was a pic I ran across getting those pesticide pics.  I didn't click it but it looked like they were spraying pesticides on the seats in an airplane lol...  for bedbugs, lice and that shit maybe?  :-X
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 06:23:10 AM
Ok, I have to mention this.  As we have it now, people have the option of going in and buying organic (no pesticides) or conventional.  That is the status quo right now.  TA or anyone else can go in and buy conventional produce and people who want to play it safe can spend a little extra and buy organic.

So I must ask why TA would feel the need to attack people who buy organic?  Why should he fucking give a shit what others buy?  If there's a demand for it, then what's the problem?
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 06:33:30 AM
Ok, I have to mention this.  As we have it now, people have the option of going in and buying organic (no pesticides) or conventional.  That is the status quo right now.  TA or anyone else can go in and buy conventional produce and people who want to play it safe can spend a little extra and buy organic.

So I must ask why TA would feel the need to attack people who buy organic?  Why should he fucking give a shit what others buy?  If there's a demand for it, then what's the problem?
I don`t care what you buy.  Just know that the perceived "benefits" organic are worthless.  There is no advantage of Organic over conventional whatsoever.  Furthermore, Organic has a higher chance of tasting worse due to disease and also because lack of post picking treatments.

There are also zero health benefits of Organic produce and they are not better nutritionally either.

By all means, waste your money.  I don`t care.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 06:54:43 AM
 ::)  TA, You must care, you've spent a great deal of time mocking people for buying organic.  And lol, mocking them with taste tests!!!!  How fucking pointless since the assumed advantages of organic are not tasteable and MOST people know that!!!.  Why should we give a shit that a couple comedians found a few dipshits who thought they could tell the difference?  Now I would love to see those dipshits do a taste study between the tomatoes they removed the ripening gene from, next to either garden or organic tomatoes.  I ate those things back in the 90's and they were about like you would imagine a tomato with the texure of an apple or maybe an uncooked pototo:-X  I didn't eat any after that, the fucking things sat in the crisper for the next 9 months unchanged until I tossed them.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 07:05:05 AM
Personally I think organic is a waste of money but feel people are free to spend their pown money on what they want if they want to pay more for organic that's their choice and should not be criticized for it.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 07:13:59 AM
Personally I think organic is a waste of money but feel people are free to spend their pown money on what they want if they want to pay more for organic that's their choice and should not be criticized for it.
Agreed.

However,

They SHOULD be criticized for spreading myths.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 07:20:16 AM
Personally I think organic is a waste of money but feel people are free to spend their pown money on what they want if they want to pay more for organic that's their choice and should not be criticized for it.
boom!!!!  Hard to argue against that and believe in a freemarket....  In fact the pro-conventional crowd get the better end of the deal.  We will still be subject to pesticides even if we don't want to be.  The best the organic crowd can hope for is to limit their intake of pesticides.  But many studies show that we can't avoid them...  Wildlife has it even worse, no choice for them, they're going get plenty of it.  Especially river and wetland habitat.  Some rivers get quite the serious dose after all the city and farming runoff.  Plenty of studies on that too.  Anyway, clearly the pro-pesticide people have the better deal right now.  It's kinda like a guy that doesn't want to smoke walking into a bar to get a drink.  He ends up smoking like it or not.  So they get the better end of the deal right now and yet TA still bitches lol....
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 07:22:24 AM
Agreed.

However,

They SHOULD be criticized for spreading myths.
you should be criticized for being a hypocrite and denying it!!!! lol.


Mr. Oh... I try to limit my pesticide use, but there's no harm to pesticides :D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 07:23:59 AM
you should be criticized for being a hypocrite and denying it!!!! lol.


Mr. Oh... I try to limit my pesticide use, but there's no harm to pesticides :D
Thats not hypocritical.  Its merely the proper usage of pesticides. 

Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 07:28:09 AM
TA, are you going to commit to a simple video or not?  If you want I'll pay you 50 bucks for your time to make the video.  This is good money considering these are things that you have stated you will be doing anyway.  So nobody is asking you to do anyting you wouldn't already be doing.  You can just collect 50 bucks for filming it and uploading it to youtube and posting it here.  easy as shit.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 07:29:22 AM
Thats not hypocritical.  Its merely the proper usage of pesticides. 


why bother trying to limit the use if there's no harm in pesticide use?
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 01, 2010, 08:18:06 AM
How could a person grow 30 different types of tomato in a single garden when each strain has different requirements? Some require higher acidity or alkalinity, some need more watering some need less, they all need different pruning methods and the list goes on for getting the most of what your planting.

There is a huge difference in a well planted home garden and the stuff you buy in the store, in terms of taste and quality, the mere fact that most tomato's are spending half their time ripening while they are still on the truck is proof enough isn't it? If the pesticide is non systemic then it should just be a matter of rinsing the pesticide off but if it's something that breaches the stem or skin I wouldn't take a chance eating it.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: SAMSON123 on May 01, 2010, 08:18:27 AM
Personally I think organic is a waste of money but feel people are free to spend their pown money on what they want if they want to pay more for organic that's their choice and should not be criticized for it.

Organic is actually CHEAPER than the chemically produced crops. A person initially has to understand how to organically farm meaning crop rotation, natural herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, natural fertilizers from manure, Guano, Chicken droppings, etc, helper crops, planting and harvesting times etc etc. What this chemical farming has done is changed farming to a mechanized, chemicalized act. Plants are forced to grow faster, bigger, more abundant in the short term sacrificing the soil in the long term. All in the name of PROFITS.

The real issue however is not just taste in foods...it is the SAFETY of knowing you are not ingesting all of these dangerous toxic products big agriculture uses to force crops to grow in a soil depleted of nutrients, ferttilizer and top soil

 
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 08:47:13 AM
How could a person grow 30 different types of tomato in a single garden when each strain has different requirements? Some require higher acidity or alkalinity, some need more watering some need less, they all need different pruning methods and the list goes on for getting the most of what your planting.

There is a huge difference in a well planted home garden and the stuff you buy in the store, in terms of taste and quality, the mere fact that most tomato's are spending half their time ripening while they are still on the truck is proof enough isn't it? If the pesticide is non systemic then it should just be a matter of rinsing the pesticide off but if it's something that breaches the stem or skin I wouldn't take a chance eating it.

Some home gardeners grow hundreds of different varieties at a time.  Its really not that difficult.  30 is not many at all especially if you implement containers.

I have had crappy tomatoes from the Garden, crappy from the Farmers Market and Crappy from the Supermarket and have had great ones from all 3 as well.

One does not taste better than the other, especially given that all varieties show up in all places.  It is mostly dependent upon what type of tomato.  There is no such thing as "supermarket" tomato etc...

I prefer Black Krim, Abraham Lincoln and Brandywine from the Garden, Supermarket or Farmers Market.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 01, 2010, 08:53:03 AM
Some home gardeners grow hundreds of different varieties at a time.  Its really not that difficult.  30 is not many at all especially if you implement containers.


Can you post a link to a home garden that has claimed to have  done this?
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 08:58:24 AM
Oh dear god, now TA is claiming some home gardens grow "hundreds" of tomato varieties ::)  I would be shocked if you could find one in all of America with hundreds and if you do they're probably a small time seed supplier.

and actually you can't even find a seed supplier with hundreds of varieties!!!!!!!

TA=Pure Stepped in Shit.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 09:00:03 AM
TA is the master chef, climatologist, philosopher, physicist, chemist, etc.

I think if he wanted to grow a garden with hundreds of varieties of the same vegetable in the same garden he could do it easily. 
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
TA is the master chef, climatologist, philosopher, physicist, chemist, etc.

I think if he wanted to grow a garden with hundreds of varieties of the same vegetable in the same garden he could do it easily. 
lol, I think you left out a few claims :D
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 01, 2010, 09:17:30 AM
What happened to TA? Is he still dissecting goggle for an answer or is he filming his garden? The suspense is killing me.  :-\ :P
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: grab an umbrella on May 01, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
Little late for this, but 33, you can pm on a blackberry, just gotta know how to.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:33:48 AM
Can you post a link to a home garden that has claimed to have  done this?
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums

Tons of members on this forum that grow hundreds, even thousands of varieties at a time.  Spend some time there, you might learn something.
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Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:34:55 AM
Oh dear god, now TA is claiming some home gardens grow "hundreds" of tomato varieties ::)  I would be shocked if you could find one in all of America with hundreds and if you do they're probably a small time seed supplier.

and actually you can't even find a seed supplier with hundreds of varieties!!!!!!!

TA=Pure Stepped in Shit.
You really are an amateur.  Please spend some time educating yourself.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:35:35 AM
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Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:38:55 AM
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tomato/msg0421322028753.html

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs397.snc3/24135_1384857095711_1060508090_1189260_1905629_n.jpg)

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg58/crispino8768/Garden%202010/0413000804.jpg)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 01, 2010, 09:44:19 AM
Very interesting. I would really like to see what the plots look like. I will look into this when I have more time but if you could post pictures of those I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:44:38 AM
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tomato/msg0711502710952.html


(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/69alex/july9019.jpg)

(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/69alex/aug6garden005.jpg)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 09:49:53 AM
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f310/alanch/Garden%202009/Garden22309/21809Garden032.jpg)
you have 3 or 4 varieties pictured there, what the fuck is that supposed to prove jackass?

Are you going to take me up on my offer or what?  If so let's arrange it.  50 bucks for what you claim you would already be doing anyway.  I know you already have a camcorder of some kind, you've posted longer videos here already.  So school us in the use of pesticides on your garden.  Like I said it's the beggining of the growing season so we have plenty of time.  I would offer more, but since it's something you are already claiming to do, why, it's 50 bucks for doing nothing but taking a vid of it.

Hey, what's your address, let us check out this epic garden on google earth?  I'll tell you what, you pm it to me, I will not let anyone else know your address, you have my word and I am good for my word.  I've never let anyone down here on pm messages.  I keep secrets.  give me your address and I'll post the google image of your epic garden.  Assuming 2009 images are available for your area.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:53:05 AM



(http://www.growyourtomatoes.com/archive/april16-3small.jpg)

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb215/campfi/Maters001.jpg)

Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:54:19 AM
you have 3 or 4 varieties pictured there, what the fuck is that supposed to prove jackass?

Are you going to take me up on my offer or what?  If so let's arrange it.  50 bucks for what you claim you would already be doing anyway.  I know you already have a camcorder of some kind, you've posted longer videos here already.  So school us in the use of pesticides on your garden.  Like I said it's the beggining of the growing season so we have plenty of time.  I would offer more, but since it's something you are already claiming to do, why, it's 50 bucks for doing nothing but taking a vid of it.

Hey, what's your address, let us check out this epic garden on google earth?  I'll tell you what, you pm it to me, I will not let anyone else know your address, you have my word and I am good for my word.  I've never let anyone down here on pm messages.  I keep secrets.  give me your address and I'll post the google image of your epic garden.  Assuming 2009 images are available for your area.
Keep the money, feed your kid.

I think I proved my point already.   ;)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 09:55:55 AM
If you actually read that forum, you will find people with thousands of varieties at a time using not that much land at all.


Most do at least hundred or so different varieties in their yard.


30 is nothing.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 09:58:02 AM
those other pics are probably not even yours and none of them show hundreds of varieties you twit.  Those seedling pics are similar to the setup I had last year.  What the fuck are they supposed to prove?  I had a larger setup with just 5 tomato varieties, not to mention I had several other plants growing in prep for the garden.  You're talking about hundreds, it would take way way more space than you are showing unless they were each different varieties.  And YOU CAN TELL DIFFERENT VARIETIES FROM SEEDLINGS!!!! EASY!!!  They each grow very different!!!!!!!!!!!!  But I guess you wouldn't know that since you're posting pics that don't show that!!!  ahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 10:00:46 AM


(http://www.growyourtomatoes.com/archive/april16-3small.jpg)

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb215/campfi/Maters001.jpg)


top pic, all the same variety, bottom pic you have maybe 2 to 3 different varieties.... big deal... ::)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:01:07 AM
those other pics are probably not even yours and none of them show hundreds of varieties you twit.  Those seedling pics are similar to the setup I had last year.  What the fuck are they supposed to prove?  I had a larger setup with just 5 tomato varieties, not to mention I had several other plants growing in prep for the garden.  You're talking about hundreds, it would take way way more space than you are showing unless they were each different varieties.  And YOU CAN TELL DIFFERENT VARIETIES FROM SEEDLINGS!!!! EASY!!!  They each grow very different!!!!!!!!!!!!  But I guess you wouldn't know that since you're posting pics that don't show that!!!  ahahahahahahaha

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb215/campfi/Seed-Start-20100401005.jpg)
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 10:02:18 AM
If you actually read that forum, you will find people with thousands of varieties at a time using not that much land at all.


Most do at least hundred or so different varieties in their yard.


30 is nothing.
bullshit.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 01, 2010, 10:04:18 AM
I noticed a lot of pics that had the plants in seperate pots put dont have time to research if they fertilized differently for the different strains, that's something I will look into.  I dont know that many people that have the land requirements to grow the hundreds and thousends of varities that exist. This is around 25 plants.



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Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:05:18 AM
bullshit.
Spend some time on that forum.  As I said, most grow hundreds of different kinds at a time, some thousands.

Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:06:18 AM
I noticed a lot of pics that had the plants in seperate pots put dont have time to research if they fertilized differently for the different strains, that's something I will look into.  I dont know that many people that have the land requirements to grow the hundreds of varities that exist. This is around 25 plants.



(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy258/readheads/Day%20105%20Pictures/Day105-2.jpg)
Yah, thats tiny.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: SAMSON123 on May 01, 2010, 10:06:36 AM
If all of these tomatoes are yours TA what are you planning on doing with them? Tomatos grew tremendously with only a few bushes let alone thirty or a hundred... Even one good bush in good soil can produce more tomatoes than a person can utilize. Are you planning on having one of those festivals like in Spain where they hurl tomatoes at each other. The name of the festival escapes me now...
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:07:41 AM
If all of these tomatoes are yours TA what are you planning on doing with them? Tomatos grew tremendously with only a few bushes let alone thirty or a hundred... Even one good bush in good soil can produce more tomatoes than a person can utilize. Are you planning on having one of those festivals like in Spain where they hurl tomatoes at each other. The name of the festival escapes me now...
EAT them of course!  
I oughta invite you guys over to throw them at me.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 01, 2010, 10:08:34 AM
Yah, thats tiny. 

But we were talking about home gardens. How many homes have more land then that, nevermind for growing hundreds or thousends as you said?
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:11:21 AM
But we were talking about home gardens. How many homes have more land then that, nevermind for growing hundreds or thousends as you said?
Depends where you live and what you are willing to do.

Here in NC, plenty of people have enough land.  On that forum one guy in California sent us some seeds and he grows a few hundred on about a 1/4 acre only, a lot in containers.

Some people grow many in New York, in apartment buildings and on their balconies.  Its pretty interesting really.  Some are obsessive about it and they are literally being overrun by them.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 01, 2010, 10:14:27 AM
Depends where you live and what you are willing to do.

Here in NC, plenty of people have enough land.  On that forum one guy in California sent us some seeds and he grows a few hundred on about a 1/4 acre only, a lot in containers.

Some people grow many in New York, in apartment buildings and on their balconies.  Its pretty interesting really.  Some are obsessive about it and they are literally being overrun by them.

Thats all nice and dandy but if that picture is only 25 plants than what the fuck would a garden of a thousend look like? surely it would not be classified as a home garden.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:16:10 AM
Thats all nice and dandy but if that picture is only 25 plants than what the fuck would a garden of a thousend look like? surely it would not be classified as a home garden.
Check that forum and some of the pictures I posted.  These are from peoples homes, not "professional" farms.

Some of them are nuts in my opinion. 
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 10:17:10 AM
Spend some time on that forum.  As I said, most grow hundreds of different kinds at a time, some thousands.


bullshit, like I said before, if you find the very few who do that they're into breeding or a small time seed supplier and with that much they're quickly working their way up to being a full business, not a home garden.  Very very few people in America would be dealing with 30+ varieties of tomatoes. Not many at all would be dealing with more.  Go check for yourself, go to any seed supplier and find me one that has hundreds of varieties available TA.... Go find me one that has hundreds available.  Just one jackass, go find one fucktwit... one one one :D  haha
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 10:19:38 AM
TA, all the pics you posted showed 4, maybe 5 varieties at most, what are you trying to prove via the statements you've made of 30 and others having "hundreds"

None of this proves shit.  Post pics that prove it or shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:19:53 AM
bullshit, like I said before, if you find the very few who do that they're into breeding or a small time seed supplier and with that much they're quickly working their way up to being a full business, not a home garden.  Very very few people in America would be dealing with 30+ varieties of tomatoes. Not many at all would be dealing with more.  Go check for yourself, go to any seed supplier and find me one that has hundreds of varieties available TA.... Go find me one that has hundreds available.  Just one jackass, go find one fucktwit... one one one :D  haha
uh,

Every single catalog I have has hundreds and hundreds of different kinds of seeds.  I can`t even tell you how many different kinds we have just sitting here unplanted.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:22:56 AM
bullshit, like I said before, if you find the very few who do that they're into breeding or a small time seed supplier and with that much they're quickly working their way up to being a full business, not a home garden.  Very very few people in America would be dealing with 30+ varieties of tomatoes. Not many at all would be dealing with more.  Go check for yourself, go to any seed supplier and find me one that has hundreds of varieties available TA.... Go find me one that has hundreds available.  Just one jackass, go find one fucktwit... one one one :D  haha
http://www.heirloomtomatoes.bizland.com/

Over 600 varieties just in heirlooms.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:24:02 AM
http://www.heirloomtomatoes.bizland.com/

Over 600 varieties just in heirlooms.

Thats "TomatoBob" by the way.

He posts all the time on that forum and harvests out of his house.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:33:19 AM
Not a bad deal here for 10 different Varieties.

He has over 600 and he would put any together you wanted for sure.  Do you see now how paltry 30 different varieties are? Its nothing.  Tiny.

http://www.heirloomtomatoes.bizland.com/

10 Varieties $21.00 (Save $7.00)

Heirloom Sampler Special.....10 Varieties of Heirloom Tomato Seeds (5-6 Seeds of each).  This is a great way to introduce yourself or a gardening friend to the variety of flavors, sizes, shapes, and colors that heirloom tomatoes offer!...You get 10 Great Varieties of heirloom tomato seeds for $18......enough seeds to grow several bushels of Great tasting Heirloom tomatoes which cannot be found in stores!!!!  Varieties include Green Grape, Green Zebra, Brandywine, Mortgage Lifter, Red Pear, Yellow Pear, Amish Paste, Cherokee Purple, White Wonder, and Black Krim.  Free Growing Tips included.  These make great Christmas gifts for your gardening friends.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 10:34:26 AM
uh,

Every single catalog I have has hundreds and hundreds of different kinds of seeds.  I can`t even tell you how many different kinds we have just sitting here unplanted.
yea, different seeds, duh...  hundreds of different tomato seeds?  I've seen them in the 120 variety range, but who in the fuck would grow that many in a home garden TA?  Come the fuck on....  If they are going with that many, they have a serious fucking major hobby going on and are most likely looking at a business, not a home garden!

You my ugly friend are the biggest drama queen ever to hit getbig.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:34:56 AM
I am glad you stickied this as well.

You will learn something.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:37:46 AM
yea, different seeds, duh...  hundreds of different tomato seeds?  I've seen them in the 120 variety range, but who in the fuck would grow that many in a home garden TA?  Come the fuck on....  If they are going with that many, they have a serious fucking major hobby going on and are most likely looking at a business, not a home garden!

You my ugly friend are the biggest drama queen ever to hit getbig.
Says the man who has melted down all day and gave me a sticky, only to be pwned.  ;)

People grow in the hundreds and thousands all the time.  You oughta join that forum.  Jezebelle posts there! 


Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 10:39:02 AM
yea, different seeds, duh...  hundreds of different tomato seeds?  I've seen them in the 120 variety range, but who in the fuck would grow that many in a home garden TA?  Come the fuck on....  If they are going with that many, they have a serious fucking major hobby going on and are most likely looking at a business, not a home garden!

You my ugly friend are the biggest drama queen ever to hit getbig.
Yep, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of different TOMATO seeds.

Want me to suggest some Catalogs?  They are free.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 10:58:52 AM
Says the man who has melted down all day and gave me a sticky, only to be pwned.  ;)

People grow in the hundreds and thousands all the time.  You oughta join that forum.  Jezebelle posts there! 



OH, now it's in the thousands!!!!!  Thousands of tomato varieties!!!!  Why stop TA, lets keep going.  It started at 30, went to hundreds, then thousands....  how about a hundred thousand lol......

You talk about hundreds like it's common for home growers ::)  dipshit....
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: The True Adonis on May 01, 2010, 11:00:19 AM
OH, now it's in the thousands!!!!!  Thousands of tomato varieties!!!!  Why stop TA, lets keep going.  It started at 30, went to hundreds, then thousands....  how about a hundred thousand lol......

You talk about hundreds like it's common for home growers ::)  dipshit....
It is.

Check that forum.  Read any Seed Catalog.
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 01, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
It is.

Check that forum.  Read any Seed Catalog.
I don't deny that there are hundreds of tomato varieties in existense... everyone fucking knows that.  That's not the point, it never was.  Try to stick to the point.  Show us your epic garden of 30 different varieties TA...  Wait... Wait.... You grew a garden of 30 different tomatoes but only took pics of a couple potted plants on the side of your fucking greenhouse shed.... ::)  Show us the gardens with hundreds of varieties... hahaha yea  oh brother..............
Title: Re: True Adonis Hypocrisy
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 01, 2010, 01:15:42 PM
It was probably the neighbors greenhouse.