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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on May 11, 2010, 09:49:23 AM
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Vince,
I suspect you already know that I tend to agree with you more than Bob Chick when it comes to current pro BB.
While I may agree with you "in principle" , I fully understand the rationale for his views. Bob is dealing with the current situation as it exists in pro BB. Dealing with that kind of reality requires a practical mindset, which Bob has ( in my opinion).
For example, I was an AAU national judge and member of the Mr/Ms America committe. In the 90's we voted to begin drug testing.
We started with the USA and finally tested the America. In '93, the winner tested postive but sued and the matter was settled out of court. The next yr , the MDWT/overall champ,Charles Durr tested positive along with all with the 2nd and 3rd place men in the overall posedown. The title was awarded to the Hvy wt , who was 4th but pased the drug test.
Charkles Durr filed a law suit against AAU bodybuilding for violation of drug testing protocal . The test results showed his test/epi test ratio was many times above the normal range, so he filed suit based on testing protocol since the chairmen was a bit loose with the testing procedures. Disney Sports underwrote the Insurance for all AAU sanctioned sports. Yup, that Disney, the Mickey Mouse - Dinsey World folks. Disgusted by the rash of positive tests and law suits from it, they decided to drop bodybuilding from their list of sports. Without the Disney name and money behind it, the AAU also dropped physique and this soon ended the longest running BB meet in history; the Mr America.
It is my belief that had we avoided all the drug problems, the MR/ Ms America would have been part of Disney Sports and held within the Orando venue for sport.
Sadly Vince, the vast majority of those who really get into bodybuilding want drugs. In fact many feel that BB without roids is as bad as doing it without wts. Perhaps we should simply enjoy the sport for what it is and enjoy the bennefits of living a healthy BB lifestyle via training and diet.
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Why didn't you PM him? ??? ::)
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Pure flotsam.
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Vince,
I suspect you already know that I tend to agree with you more than Bob Chick when it comes to current pro BB.
While I may agree with you "in principle" , I fully understand the rationale for his views. Bob is dealing with the current situation as it exists in pro BB. Dealing with that kind of reality requires a practical mindset, which Bob has ( in my opinion).
For example, I was an AAU national judge and member of the Mr/Ms America committe. In the 90's we voted to begin drug testing.
We started with the USA and finally tested the America. In '93, the winner tested postive but sued and the matter was settled out of court. The next yr , the MDWT/overall champ,Charles Durr tested positive along with all with the 2nd and 3rd place men in the overall posedown. The title was awarded to the Hvy wt , who was 4th but pased the drug test.
Charkles Durr filed a law suit against AAU bodybuilding for violation of drug testing protocal . The test results showed his test/epi test ratio was many times above the normal range, so he filed suit based on testing protocol since the chairmen was a bit loose with the testing procedures. Disney Sports underwrote the Insurance for all AAU sanctioned sports. Yup, that Disney, the Mickey Mouse - Dinsey World folks. Disgusted by the rash of positive tests and law suits from it, they decided to drop bodybuilding from their list of sports. Without the Disney name and money behind it, the AAU also dropped physique and this soon ended the longest running BB meet in history; the Mr America.
It is my belief that had we avoided all the drug problems, the MR/ Ms America would have been part of Disney Sports and held within the Orando venue for sport.
Sadly Vince, the vast majority of those who really get into bodybuilding want drugs. In fact many feel that BB without roids is as bad as doing it without wts. Perhaps we should simply enjoy the sport for what it is and enjoy the bennefits of living a healthy BB lifestyle via training and diet.
could you and vince get together......and kill yourselves
fucking fat creepy old men spamming a bodybuilding board.............NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE
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Why didn't you PM him? ??? ::)
I wanted others to read about why drug testing can backfire, even with the best intentions if the vast majority want it and it is the current norm.
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could you and vince get together......and kill yourselves
fucking fat creepy old men spamming a bodybuilding board.............NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE
I have been posting on this and other boards since they started in the 90's.Obviously, I have been called every dumb name in the book and it didn't drive me off, why would you even phase me .
If you don't like my posts:
1. Don't read 'em
2. Suck a fart out of my dogs ass and deal with it
Your call chief? ;)
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Pure flotsam.
Nonsense. That's %100 jetsam. I'd know it anywhere.
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I wanted others to read about why drug testing can backfire, even with the best intentions if the vast majority want it and it is the current norm.
Vince is the wrong one to ask regarding steroid usage ;D
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I have been posting on this and other boards since they started in the 90's.Obviously, I have been called every dumb name in the book and it didn't drive me off, why would you even phase me .
If you don't like my posts:
1. Don't read 'em
2. Suck a fart out of my dogs ass and deal with it
Your call chief? ;)
right, so you acknowledge that people simply do not like you, and find you annoying.....that being said......why would you want to be somewhere where you are unwanted??
and why do you do shit like that to you dog??
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Nonsense. That's %100 jetsam. I'd know it anywhere.
Holy shit fucking hilarious! ;D ;D
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I wanted others to read about why drug testing can backfire, even with the best intentions if the vast majority want it and it is the current norm.
Drug testing didn't backfire....a drug using bodybuilder (Charles Durr) bitchslapped a rinky-dink organization with no leadership, vision, or common sense and no one had the sack to call his bluff.
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Howard you open your mouth and your lack of intelligence shines thru like a beacon in the night...drug testing did not fail in the aau example. The aau dim wits that administered the test failed to follow the org's own protocol. So blame the people that administered the test.
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Basile, Howard and Goodrum all suffer from the same mental illness. They possess some kind of intelligence while at the same being completely delusional and lacking all common sense.
No wonder Basile is in love with Goodrum, they are so alike.
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Basile, Howard and Goodrum all suffer from the same mental illness. They possess some kind of intelligence while at the same being completely delusional and lacking all common sense.
No wonder Basile is in love with Goodrum, they are so alike.
I will take this under advisement while taking a dump later. ;)
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epic faggotry in wanting to talk to a muscle bear on a public forum
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Nonsense. That's %100 jetsam. I'd know it anywhere.
Well, you are a fellow Canadian of his....
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right, so you acknowledge that people simply do not like you, and find you annoying.....that being said......why would you want to be somewhere where you are unwanted??
and why do you do shit like that to you dog??
It is an OPEN bodybuilding forum there chief. Some will agree with some posts others will not, that is life.
Unlike some, I can speak my mind and can voice an opinion I know is not popular.
Now, my dog needs her salad tossed so have at it.
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Drug testing didn't backfire....a drug using bodybuilder (Charles Durr) bitchslapped a rinky-dink organization with no leadership, vision, or common sense and no one had the sack to call his bluff.
Din, ding ding, looks like you missed the boat here on comprehension of my example.
yeah, right Disney who undewrote the meet is pretty rinky dink. yeah right
My pt was that because drug use is some common and accepted in hardcore BB, they would rather refuse to stop and risk ending the contest than have it be drug free.
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My pt was that because drug use is some common and accepted in hardcore BB, they would rather refuse to stop and risk ending the contest than have it be drug free.
It's common? No shit?! ::) You will never get it into your delusional brain that bodybuilding IS drugs. There is NO bodybuilding without drugs. Drug testing bodybuilders is the most ridiculous idea ever.
But you will continue to have a one man debate about this topic. There's no hope for you.
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It's common? No shit?! ::) You will never get it into your delusional brain that bodybuilding IS drugs. There is NO bodybuilding without drugs. Drug testing bodybuilders is the most ridiculous idea ever.
But you will continue to have a one man debate about this topic. There's no hope for you.
Obviously, any hard training gifted bodybuilder can make gains and look decent without drugs.
You may not get the massive freaks you desire to see, but it still is bodybuilding with or wothout drugs.
This kind of mindset seems more drug addict than advocate, sorry but it does.
Hmmm, female bodybuilding really took off when they went to drug extremes, right? ::)
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Obviously, any hard training gifted bodybuilder can make gains and look decent without drugs.
You may not get the massive freaks you desire to see, but it still is bodybuilding with or wothout drugs.
This kind of mindset seems more drug addict than advocate, sorry but it does.
Hmmm, female bodybuilding really took off when they went to drug extremes, right? ::)
so what exactly is the point of your original post?
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Din, ding ding, looks like you missed the boat here on comprehension of my example.
yeah, right Disney who undewrote the meet is pretty rinky dink. yeah right
My pt was that because drug use is some common and accepted in hardcore BB, they would rather refuse to stop and risk ending the contest than have it be drug free.
I didn't miss shit....you were part of a committee that voted to implement drug testing. You went about it half-assed. Charles Durr failed your test and then teabagged the lot of you and not one of the "committee" had the sack to stand up to him. Drug use is prevalent in BBing because that is where the "image based" profits are made. Supplements, books and magazine sales etc. are driven by the goal of the "unattainable" physique. People pay to see the freaks....no one is interested in attending a BBing show where the contestants look like long distance swimmers.
If the schmoe Weiders couldn't (or didn't want to) remove drugs from BBing what made you think you could?
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haha, oh brother, the drama. ::) Gotta love it when these dudes make a post on a forum and call it an "open letter".
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Well, you are a fellow Canadian of his....
Of course, you know, this means war! >:(
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Obviously, any hard training gifted bodybuilder can make gains and look decent without drugs.
You may not get the massive freaks you desire to see, but it still is bodybuilding with or wothout drugs.
This kind of mindset seems more drug addict than advocate, sorry but it does.
Hmmm, female bodybuilding really took off when they went to drug extremes, right? ::)
You were and are a druggie.
Basile was a druggie.
Goodrum was a trenbolone freak, believe it or not. :D
Where are these natural bodybuilders you speak of?
I desire to see freaks? What about you? Yes, you only post about Eugen Sandow and his contemporaries, because when drugs were introduced it became a freak show that holds no interest for you. ::)
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I didn't miss shit....you were part of a committee that voted to implement drug testing. You went about it half-assed. Charles Durr failed your test and then teabagged the lot of you and not one of the "committee" had the sack to stand up to him. Drug use is prevalent in BBing because that is where the "image based" profits are made. Supplements, books and magazine sales etc. are driven by the goal of the "unattainable" physique. People pay to see the freaks....no one is interested in attending a BBing show where the contestants look like long distance swimmers.
If the schmoe Weiders couldn't (or didn't want to) remove drugs from BBing what made you think you could?
wtf? the underwritters of the insurance policy to cover damages was "sport disney".
Nobody sued me or the AAU America comm, directly ,you idiot.
Disney paid Durr a settlement and kept it our of court and THEN dropped BB from its' list of sports.
If freaks are the popular deal, then how come female BB is pretty low in appeal compred to figure and fitness babes? ;)
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The stench of both the flotsam and jetsam are strong in Howards redundancy !! ;D
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The stench of both the flotsam and jetsam are strong in Howards redundancy !! ;D
That was great, good one! ;D
Ok on serious note, I am rode hard and put up wet on this drugs in BB issue....for now. :'(
I am no pro or top national level BB , so drugs in BB really doesn't effect my personal BB life.
Now, when I fart badly after taking a dump and my wife has to use the same bathroom...that effects her life, let me tell ya
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wtf? the underwritters of the insurance policy to cover damages was "sport disney".
Nobody sued me or the AAU America comm, directly ,you idiot.
Disney paid Durr a settlement and kept it our of court and THEN dropped BB from its' list of sports.
If freaks are the popular deal, then how come female BB is pretty low in appeal compred to figure and fitness babes? ;)
You're obviously retarded or senile....or both.
And if you need it spelled out, why hot woman have more appeal than drug-filled shemales, then I'd prefer you just die in a fire...preferably head first.
Jesus H. Christ, I wish stupidity caused pain.
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It's only a matter of time when Getbig will give Basile a complete mental breakdown.
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Howard, make sure you start a thread when I am not asleep. Check the time zone for Sydney, Australia. Also, could you change the spelling of my name in the title. Click on modify.
I recall that Jay Cutler challenged his positive drug test in the IFBB and because they didn't use an accredited lab Jay won his case and retained his prize money and title. From that time no real testing has been done. So it appears that drug testing is expensive and litigation re that testing is even more expensive.
We know that other sports and the Olympic movement does testing so it can't be impossible to do properly. Perhaps the AAU tried to save money and presumed the muscleheads were dopes and would accept the results.
Some have posted that they want to see freeks. That is fine but they have to pass strict tests both during competition and out of competition. That is the only way to clean up this sport. Yes, the huge guys are impressive but the sport is not. If we remove the drugs we should transcend the criticism against us and become more popular than we can imagine. I remember when the Mr Olympia was broadcast nationally as a sport. Those days seem long gone and the way drugs are accepted today there is no way it will return.
The sport is run by thug-minded individuals who stick together and are more or less appointed. Bob C is merely the tip of the unsavoury iceberg. Getbiggers who agree with drug use will not be the kind of people who should be running the sport. It is about time drugs were jettisoned into the discard bin.
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You're obviously retarded or senile....or both.
And if you need it spelled out, why hot woman have more appeal than drug-filled shemales, then I'd prefer you just die in a fire...preferably head first.
Jesus H. Christ, I wish stupidity caused pain.
Les, your reply was funny as hell and I am still laughing my ass off.
LOL classic line " ...wish stupdity caused pain" hehehehe
Great example of a classic getbig crack on another poster by clever funny wit :D
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Howard, make sure you start a thread when I am not asleep. Check the time zone for Sydney, Australia. Also, could you change the spelling of my name in the title. Click on modify.
I recall that Jay Cutler challenged his positive drug test in the IFBB and because they didn't use an accredited lab Jay won his case and retained his prize money and title. From that time no real testing has been done. So it appears that drug testing is expensive and litigation re that testing is even more expensive.
We know that other sports and the Olympic movement does testing so it can't be impossible to do properly. Perhaps the AAU tried to save money and presumed the muscleheads were dopes and would accept the results.
Some have posted that they want to see freeks. That is fine but they have to pass strict tests both during competition and out of competition. That is the only way to clean up this sport. Yes, the huge guys are impressive but the sport is not. If we remove the drugs we should transcend the criticism against us and become more popular than we can imagine. I remember when the Mr Olympia was broadcast nationally as a sport. Those days seem long gone and the way drugs are accepted today there is no way it will return.
The sport is run by thug-minded individuals who stick together and are more or less appointed. Bob C is merely the tip of the unsavoury iceberg. Getbiggers who agree with drug use will not be the kind of people who should be running the sport. It is about time drugs were jettisoned into the discard bin.
Vince , with all due respect , I think you are taking this way too serious my friend. Just go workout, hit a contest and enjoy the scene for what it is. Besides most hardcore types would rather see the ship go down then have it be a success drug free.
The ironic thing , lots of juicemonkeys will never win a national title like YOU did. take care my friend
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The sport is run by thug-minded individuals
"Sport," that's good. Are you being cheeky?
Do Australians get cheeky?
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Howard, I honestly believe the sport is ruined. How can we stand by and do nothing? They say that when the good men don't participate the bad men take over. Well, look at the mess in bodybuilding. Who is responsible? Everyone who condones all the drugs and cheating re augmenting the body in some way.
Things have changed but when are they going to return to some degree of sanity? I think it is sad that intelligent, experienced guys go along with the current practices. I suppose the honest truth is those drugs have spoiled bodybuilding and made titles and trophies worthless.
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Howard, I honestly believe the sport is ruined. How can we stand by and do nothing? They say that when the good men don't participate the bad men take over. Well, look at the mess in bodybuilding. Who is responsible? Everyone who condones all the drugs and cheating re augmenting the body in some way.
Things have changed but when are they going to return to some degree of sanity? I think it is sad that intelligent, experienced guys go along with the current practices. I suppose the honest truth is those drugs have spoiled bodybuilding and made titles and trophies worthless.
Vince, You can't usher in chanage when the vast majority are VERY much against it.
I went to the regional NPC meeting 17 yrs ago and made a motion that we do a basic urine test for the 1st place winners only' in each state meet. It not only got voted down 99% against, if looks were any indication of hate, they wanted to kill me. hehe.
I have come to the conclusion that the steroid issue is some kind of addiction in the hardcore camp.
Telling them to quit useing is like telling a flat chested babe with implants, to remove them. The extreme drug useing crowd can't imagine BB without drugs. Many honestly feel drugs are as common and required as wts and the gym are to build muscle.
It is what it is Vince and for me it is a fun hobby , no more, no less.
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did you take drugs when you competed howard?
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Post your drug pricelist howard
X2 and PTPS
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Howard, I honestly believe the sport is ruined. How can we stand by and do nothing? They say that when the good men don't participate the bad men take over. Well, look at the mess in bodybuilding. Who is responsible? Everyone who condones all the drugs and cheating re augmenting the body in some way.
Things have changed but when are they going to return to some degree of sanity? I think it is sad that intelligent, experienced guys go along with the current practices. I suppose the honest truth is those drugs have spoiled bodybuilding and made titles and trophies worthless.
Vince you may be right but it won't help you enjoy BB. You won a decent title in your prime and like anything else things change over time. My advice for you is to :
1. Simply accept BB for what it is, go to some contests, work out and keep it as a fun hobby that changed, etc
2. Move on to other sports of interest. In my case, I really enjoy running now. I suck as a 5k runner, but I enjoy the feeling I get from running. I have seen ex bodybuilders get into cycling as well.
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did you take drugs when you competed howard?
I did from 83 to 87. After that by my own choice I competed in mostly UNtested shows wiithout juicing 88-95.
I did one drug at a time in moderate amounts. I am too cheap to spend much on juice and figured I wasn't going pro after a couple yrs on the sauce. I just wasn't good enough with or without drugs.
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I talked to Ryan Laos who trains at my gym. He won a natural Mr Australia and Mr World. There is no way he can compete with the professionals who take drugs. He accepts that they do that and people like to see giants. However, it isn't a level playing field and why shouldn't natural guys like Ryan have a chance to be Mr Olympia?
I told him I would like to change things and do away with all the drugs. Test entrants for drugs and substances, and do this out of competition randomly during the year. Polygraph all competitors, too. Positive tests will result in being banned for life. Anyone competing has to sign a statement agreeing that they will never compete in bodybuilding again, in any other contests, if they test positive or fail the polygraph.
Start this in 2011 at all shows. Bad luck to all the professionals as that is a lifestyle no sensible person would elect to do. Bodybuilding has been ruined and just because the professionals accept it is no reason for everyone to accept it. If we respect sports and athletes who are drug tested then we should have the same standards in bodybuilding. Marion Jones had to give up her Olympic medals because she cheated.
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I talked to Ryan Laos who trains at my gym. He won a natural Mr Australia and Mr World. There is no way he can compete with the professionals who take drugs. He accepts that they do that and people like to see giants. However, it isn't a level playing field and why shouldn't natural guys like Ryan have a chance to be Mr Olympia?
I told him I would like to change things and do away with all the drugs. Test entrants for drugs and substances, and do this out of competition randomly during the year. Polygraph all competitors, too. Positive tests will result in being banned for life. Anyone competing has to sign a statement agreeing that they will never compete in bodybuilding again, in any other contests, if they test positive or fail the polygraph.
Start this in 2011 at all shows. Bad luck to all the professionals as that is a lifestyle no sensible person would elect to do. Bodybuilding has been ruined and just because the professionals accept it is no reason for everyone to accept it. If we respect sports and athletes who are drug tested then we should have the same standards in bodybuilding. Marion Jones had to give up her Olympic medals because she cheated.
Vince you fail to comprehend that without an audience, one does not have a sport, or anything else for that matter. No one wants to see what is pedestrian, or ordinary, one wants to see what is beyond human, you can apply this to many things in life, especially bodybuilding.
No one gives a rats ass about Natural bodybuilding....remove the drugs, remove the freak factor, remove the audience, and one will successfully remove the "sport."
Now perhaps you can go back to the drawing board, and offer some more pragmatic suggestions.
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I talked to Ryan Laos who trains at my gym. He won a natural Mr Australia and Mr World. There is no way he can compete with the professionals who take drugs. He accepts that they do that and people like to see giants. However, it isn't a level playing field and why shouldn't natural guys like Ryan have a chance to be Mr Olympia?
I told him I would like to change things and do away with all the drugs. Test entrants for drugs and substances, and do this out of competition randomly during the year. Polygraph all competitors, too. Positive tests will result in being banned for life. Anyone competing has to sign a statement agreeing that they will never compete in bodybuilding again, in any other contests, if they test positive or fail the polygraph.
Start this in 2011 at all shows. Bad luck to all the professionals as that is a lifestyle no sensible person would elect to do. Bodybuilding has been ruined and just because the professionals accept it is no reason for everyone to accept it. If we respect sports and athletes who are drug tested then we should have the same standards in bodybuilding. Marion Jones had to give up her Olympic medals because she cheated.
I admire your drive and effort to change this.I lack the desire or energy to get back involved with BB on any official basis.I prefer to do my own thing , my way and enjoy the sport , as is, for better or worse.
I simply don't care enough to spend a lot of time, money or personal resource on this issue.
I sincerely admire you for putting in the personal effort to change things on an official basis in Aussie BB.
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Vince you fail to comprehend that without an audience, one does not have a sport, or anything else for that matter. No one wants to see what is pedestrian, or ordinary, one wants to see what is beyond human, you can apply this to many things in life, especially bodybuilding.
No one gives a rats ass about Natural bodybuilding....remove the drugs, remove the freak factor, remove the audience, and one will successfully remove the "sport."
Now perhaps you can go back to the drawing board, and offer some more pragmatic suggestions.
If Vince B is in an OFFICIAL position to change drug policy in sanctioned BB contests in Australia, it will happen.
If he is merely experessing his opinion, NOTHING much will happen and that is why I advised him to just do his own thing and enjoy the sport as is.
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I talked to Ryan Laos who trains at my gym. He won a natural Mr Australia and Mr World. There is no way he can compete with the professionals who take drugs. He accepts that they do that and people like to see giants. However, it isn't a level playing field and why shouldn't natural guys like Ryan have a chance to be Mr Olympia?
You are such a retard. That guy is far from natural or drug free. He saw that you were a little "special" so he had no problem lying to your face.
Here's Ryan talking about himself. Ryan knows there's no test for it in bodybuilding, he knows where he can buy it (at the pub).
Everyone's at it: Mr World
DAVID SYGALL
March 14, 2010
The first Australian to be crowned the Mr World of natural bodybuilding says sports authorities are in denial if they believe Australia's elite athletes aren't cheating by using human growth hormone.
Ryan Laos, a life-time drug-free bodybuilder, says the expensive HGH, which is available by prescription as an anti-ageing drug - and which actor Sylvester Stallone was caught with at Sydney airport in 2007 - is easily obtainable on the black market and believes claims that it doesn't enhance performance in rugby league are ''a load of rubbish''.
''It would be totally stupid to think that there aren't people in elite sports who have been using HGH for many years,'' Laos said.
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AFL last week became the first Australian sporting code to implement blood-testing for HGH.
However, rugby league is yet to follow. It is set to become a tricky issue after Wakefield hooker Terry Newton was banned for two years by England's Rugby Football League after testing positive to HGH, the first such result in any code.
The league's executive chairman, Richard Lewis, said England strongly supported blood testing - the only way to identify HGH - in addition to the range of urine-based testing. But the NRL is still deliberating.
''There are plenty of people who say that [HGH] is not a threat for rugby league,'' NRL spokesman John Brady said. ''Some of our advice is that, by nature of what it does, [HGH] is going to suit an athlete in AFL more than league because it's more aerobic. There are others who say it can't be taken without steroids and if you take it with steroids you'll test positive anyway.''
Brady said the tests were expensive - about $600 each - and the NRL didn't want to spend a lot on low-risk testing at the expense of higher-risk areas.
The reason HGH is so hard to detect is because growth hormones occur naturally.
''So if you find it in a sample the person can say it's just natural,'' said an endocrinologist, associate professor Tony O'Sullivan, from the University of NSW's St George Clinical School.
Hard to detect, but not hard to buy. Laos said that finding hormones was no harder than finding illicit drugs.
''It's available all over the place,'' he said. ''You can ask in a pub and you'll probably get someone carrying steroids or HGH, just like they might have cocaine or ecstasy.''
And it's no cheaper. Laos said the people he knew who use HGH spent about 10 times as much as they would on anabolic steroids, precluding many bodybuilders from using it.
''In other sports there might be people earning a lot of money and they can afford it and they can get away with it,'' Laos said.
As in league or, until now, AFL. And the indications are interesting.
''There's some footy players who will say they've put on eight or 10 kilos in the off-season,'' Laos said. ''You think to yourself, 'Bloody hell, how did you do that?'
''Then you see them with their shirt off and they're lean. They haven't put on fat. I don't want to accuse anyone but for an intermediate or advanced trainer, you can only gain up to three kilos of lean muscle per year. A beginner might put on 10 kilos quickly, but not someone who's been training for a while.''
Richard Ings, chief executive of Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, said the authority had the ability under legislation to test athletes any time anywhere, as a urine test or blood test, and did not need permission from the sport.
''When AFL says they've agreed to testing for these substances, it means that they've agreed to fund it,'' he said. ''What kind of tests the rugby league chooses to fund or not is entirely up to them. It's a difficult drug to test for.''
Another big problem with HGH testing is that it clears the body within a day or two; if testers are going to catch a cheat they need to have intelligence about when the drug is being used so they can catch the person in time.
On Thursday, the authority announced a two-year ban on 2008 International Sport Kickboxing Association welterweight world champion Andrew Keogh for possession and use of HGH. In December 2008, Queensland Police found Keogh in possession of HGH. He pleaded guilty to possessing dangerous drugs on January 21, 2009.
DRUGS STOLEN
UNIVERSITY of NSW associate professor Tony O'Sullivan was trying to study the effects of human growth hormone when he fell victim to the drug's black market..
The steroid hormones expert was set to commence a study into growth hormones 15 years ago but the supply never arrived.
''It was only a small amount and it doesn't necessarily mean that it was stolen for use by sportsmen, it could have been used by bodybuilders or whatever,'' O'Sullivan said. ''But I suspect it was stolen by someone who wanted to sell it on the market. That's what happens,'' he said.
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I watched Ryan on TV last week. He talks to a lot of guys so they tell him stuff. He is a genuine guy and doesn't bs. He has been training hard in our gym for many, many years now and at no time did he gain size quickly.
As far as I am concerned he is fair dinkum and drugfree.
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Howard, I honestly believe the sport is ruined. How can we stand by and do nothing? They say that when the good men don't participate the bad men take over. Well, look at the mess in bodybuilding. Who is responsible? Everyone who condones all the drugs and cheating re augmenting the body in some way.
Things have changed but when are they going to return to some degree of sanity? I think it is sad that intelligent, experienced guys go along with the current practices. I suppose the honest truth is those drugs have spoiled bodybuilding and made titles and trophies worthless.
Just what do you consider "some degree of sanity", Basile? Maybe only using SOME drugs like you did?
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You were and are a druggie.
Basile was a druggie.
Goodrum was a trenbolone freak, believe it or not. :D
Where are these natural bodybuilders you speak of?
I desire to see freaks? What about you? Yes, you only post about Eugen Sandow and his contemporaries, because when drugs were introduced it became a freak show that holds no interest for you. ::)
I used steroids for my job doing security work and as a correctional officer and I haven't used any gear in 9 years nor have I ever used it in any bodybuilding competition.
In any event, I wasn't a tren freak and didn't use that much. It was 50 mg every other day with a gentle touch of Anavar.
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I used steroids for my job doing security work and as a correctional officer and I haven't used any gear in 9 years nor have I ever used it in any bodybuilding competition.
In any event, I wasn't a tren freak and didn't use that much. It was 50 mg every other day with a gentle touch of Anavar.
I was just kidding. I think you're one of the few who says they have used but actually haven't.
Can you name the brand of Anavar you claim you used?
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Just what do you consider "some degree of sanity", Basile? Maybe only using SOME drugs like you did?
No, Bob, toss out the lot. No anabolic agents whatsoever. No drugs, no inserts, no synthol, no cheating. In the old days no one would have believed that women would ever use anabolic drugs. Nor was it thought safe for adolescents to use them. No one would have predicted all the mixing and stacking that occurs today, nor the dosages and cost. We can wonder why masters competitors would even think about getting assistance and risking their health, but in the end it is the same ego involved. Do away with all Mr and Ms Titles. Boot out those controlling bodybuilding and never let them have anything to do with administrating the sport again. Suspend for 2 years all the professionals. 2 years is what the IFBB seems to impose for wrongdoing.
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No, Bob, toss out the lot. No anabolic agents whatsoever. No drugs, no inserts, no synthol, no cheating. In the old days no one would have believed that women would ever use anabolic drugs. Nor was it thought safe for adolescents to use them. No one would have predicted all the mixing and stacking that occurs today, nor the dosages and cost. We can wonder why masters competitors would even think about getting assistance and risking their health, but in the end it is the same ego involved. Do away with all Mr and Ms Titles. Boot out those controlling bodybuilding and never let them have anything to do with administrating the sport again. Suspend for 2 years all the professionals. 2 years is what the IFBB seems to impose for wrongdoing.
The pioneers before you I'm sure never thought drugs would be an option...but YOU did them...to win.
Classic "do as I say, not as I did"
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I forgot to mention we should get rid of all stooges and the pro athletes rep position as well. No toupees, wigs or fake tans.
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I forgot to mention we should get rid of all stooges and the pro athletes rep position as well. No toupees, wigs or fake tans.
Just who is this "we" you refer to, Basile? As if you're involved in any way, shape or form...stick to what you know best...being weird and creepy.
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Bob, we might make an exception with you and appoint you as a message boy and janitor at pro contests. You seem to be good at following orders and could even tell people you clean up the sport!
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Bob, we might make an exception with you and appoint you as a message boy and janitor at pro contests. You seem to be good at following orders and could even tell people you clean up the sport!
Could be worse...I could be attending strangers funerals and taking pictures of random kids....
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Basile is a jealous bitch .
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Bob, it is obvious you don't do anything for others without self-gain and self-interest. I like to help others and sometimes it is through photography.
Lee Priest was okay that I attended his grandfather's funeral. Do you need an invitation to attend funerals involving other bodybuilders?
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Bob, it is obvious you don't do anything for others without self-gain and self-interest. I like to help others and sometimes it is through photography.
Lee Priest was okay that I attended his grandfather's funeral. Do you need an invitation to attend funerals involving other bodybuilders?
Invitation? KInd of...usually, the person attending has SOMETHING to do with the departed... family, friend, acquaintance...
Is that what you consider taking pictures of random kids, Basile..."helping them"??
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Bob, you were in a video with young kids. What gives? You were still playing with them as an adult. Your own proof.
Did anyone need an invitation to attend the funeral for Dennis Tinerino?
I help young guys by giving them souvenir photos when they are on vacation. Most of them don't have good cameras so they appreciate what I give them.
Why do you keep trying to put shit on another champion bodybuilder? Oh, I forgot, that is your job. Keep the independent, vocal bodybuilders down. Use any
means you can to discredit them. Bob, what you do makes you seem like a dickhead.
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I love it when vince and bob get together...
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Bob, you were in a video with young kids. What gives? You were still playing with them as an adult. Your own proof.
Did anyone need an invitation to attend the funeral for Dennis Tinerino?
I help young guys by giving them souvenir photos when they are on vacation. Most of them don't have good cameras so they appreciate what I give them.
Why do you keep trying to put shit on another champion bodybuilder? Oh, I forgot, that is your job. Keep the independent, vocal bodybuilders down. Use any
means you can to discredit them. Bob, what you do makes you seem like a dickhead.
Diference is, Basile...is I'm playing a part, as an actor, with other actors....getting paid as part of the SAG
You do what you do as yourself, without shame...
I dont need any means to discredit you, Basile...you supply it all yourself.
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Bob, you are a sophist and as shameless as they come. You are a thug here on Getbig. Hope you aren't like this to you wife and child.
You sure keep trying to put shit on me, Bob, but it gets returned. What part of this don't you comprehend? Do you think I won't
say these things to your face? Your inability to comprehend simple comments sure is a handicap for you. You aren't aware that people
use you and laugh behind your back. What a stooge and patsy.
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I used steroids for my job doing security work and as a correctional officer and I haven't used any gear in 9 years nor have I ever used it in any bodybuilding competition.
In any event, I wasn't a tren freak and didn't use that much. It was 50 mg every other day with a gentle touch of Anavar.
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Bob, you were in a video with young kids. What gives? You were still playing with them as an adult. Your own proof.
Did anyone need an invitation to attend the funeral for Dennis Tinerino?
I help young guys by giving them souvenir photos when they are on vacation. Most of them don't have good cameras so they appreciate what I give them.
Why do you keep trying to put shit on another champion bodybuilder? Oh, I forgot, that is your job. Keep the independent, vocal bodybuilders down. Use any
means you can to discredit them. Bob, what you do makes you seem like a dickhead.
The video Bob was in was called a COMMERCIAL for Spike TV. He got paid for it dum dum.... ::)
You on the other hand took a picture of random twinks and you descibed them in a softporn type of way on your smugmug. I can post it anytime if your request
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Ever watched a natural bodybuilding show ? ... boring as hell.
The guys simply don't look like bodybuilders. They are usually in great condition , ripped to shreds BUT they are also small - and not just by today's bodybuilding standards.
I bet they are a lot healthier and fitter than most of their juiced counterparts but a bodybuilding competition is all about the look and natural guys don't look impressive - they are just boring to watch , because we are so used to massive juiced up guys. I mean c'mon even most Men's Health models are juiced nowadays and would make a lot of the true natural bodybuilders look small.
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Melvin, I am aware Bob was playing a role in that commercial. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
I don't take photos of random twinks. You poofters see gays everywhere. No thanks!
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Ever watched a natural bodybuilding show ? ... boring as hell.
The guys simply don't look like bodybuilders. They are usually in great condition , ripped to shreds BUT they are also small - and not just by today's bodybuilding standards.
I bet they are a lot healthier and fitter than most of their juiced counterparts but a bodybuilding competition is all about the look and natural guys don't look impressive - they are just boring to watch , because we are so used to massive juiced up guys. I mean c'mon even most Men's Health models are juiced nowadays and would make a lot of the true natural bodybuilders look small.
When I did my first natural competition last year, I found the latter not to be true. While you won't find any superheavyweights, there are plenty of heavyweights competing. In addition, a lot of people respect the classically built physique without the GH Guts and synthol arms.
Natural Bodybuilding doesn't have as big of an audience as the NPC or IFBB but it has established their own niche in the industry. There are just as many sponsors and its attracted other major companies that won't do business with the IFBB due to the drug use. Personally, I believe that over time eventually the natural bodybuilding organizations will build up enough sponsors to actually be on the same level as its attracting some of the companies that used to sponsor the IFBB back in the 70's and 80's but left due to the drug use.
Who knows, all I can say is that I'm having fun and its good to compete without having to use steroids or other illegal drugs.
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When I did my first natural competition last year, I found the latter not to be true. While you won't find any superheavyweights, there are plenty of heavyweights competing. In addition, a lot of people respect the classically built physique without the GH Guts and synthol arms.
Natural Bodybuilding doesn't have as big of an audience as the NPC or IFBB but it has established their own niche in the industry. There are just as many sponsors and its attracted other major companies that won't do business with the IFBB due to the drug use. Personally, I believe that over time eventually the natural bodybuilding organizations will build up enough sponsors to actually be on the same level as its attracting some of the companies that used to sponsor the IFBB back in the 70's and 80's but left due to the drug use.
Who knows, all I can say is that I'm having fun and its good to compete without having to use steroids or other illegal drugs.
Heavyweight alright but not ripped. There are no big and ripped natural guys out there (or ar least very very very few)
I agree that there is a niche for natural "bodybuilding" - with lots of potential. But it's still something different from the "sport" of bodybuilding as we know it - it should head into a different direction. For example bright lights and ultra-rippedness don't belong to a natural contest I think - it just makes the competitiors look worse , make em lose too much ,muscle while dieting and being that shredded isn't even healthy so it's against the whole being healthy aspect of natural bodybuilding.
I don't doubt that you have fun working out naturally - of course you do. All I'm saying is that it would be very boring to watch someone like you on stage posing - no offence but there's just no wow factor at all.
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I help young guys by giving them souvenir photos when they are on vacation. Most of them don't have good cameras so they appreciate what I give them.
Two words: Megan's Law.
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I used steroids for my job doing security work and as a correctional officer and I haven't used any gear in 9 years nor have I ever used it in any bodybuilding competition.
In any event, I wasn't a tren freak and didn't use that much. It was 50 mg every other day with a gentle touch of Anavar.
Where do I start. Yes being a supermarket security person you better be on steroids. The funny thing is you say you took roids yet didn't compete on them,. But you have NO photos showing what you looked like on them You have all these other photos of you looking like shit yet when you were on drugs you never took a photo. Kind of like your wrestling career. NO photos of you wrestling. How come. And a touch of Anavar. Never heard anyone describe their usage with "a touch". Face it Goodrum. You looked like shit using drugs and you look even worse off them. You are caught in a "twilight zone" where no matter what you do you will always look like shit. The only reason why you enter BB contests is so you can get a new image in your head so when you are getting fucked in the ass or sucking Vissy cock you can imagine it was contestant number 4 you met that day at the pre-judging. Come one fess-up you know I am right. Don't you notice no one ever has called you a BB competitor. Not even Ron. I bet when they introduce you at a BB show they say "and up next is (announcer breaks out in uncontrollable laughter) hahaha sorry it's some guy who threw on a pair of baggie speedos and a bad Protan hahahaah (as he walks away from the podium laughing so hard) And the YMCA song starts. Am I right??
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Goodrum has to fabricate anything he can to try to discredit us. He has done almost nothing in bodybuilding and is lucky to be able to interact with those of us who have. Can you imagine this guy ever bench pressing 400 pounds? Or squatting 400? While it isn't impossible most guys like Melvin are dreamers and never train hard enough to get big.
Melvin said he mixed up some 'vet' stuff in his bathtub but got side effects. Excuse after excuse. I would say that over 90% of what Goodrum claims is pure bullshit. No PhD, no wrestler, just a dreamer.
He is supposed to stay home and be a house husband. He role is to keep the place clean but from his photos he hasn't even got time to clean the floor.
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Goodrum has to fabricate anything he can to try to discredit us. He has done almost nothing in bodybuilding and is lucky to be able to interact with those of us who have. Can you imagine this guy ever bench pressing 400 pounds? Or squatting 400? While it isn't impossible most guys like Melvin are dreamers and never train hard enough to get big.
Melvin said he mixed up some 'vet' stuff in his bathtub but got side effects. Excuse after excuse. I would say that over 90% of what Goodrum claims is pure bullshit. No PhD, no wrestler, just a dreamer.
He is supposed to stay home and be a house husband. He role is to keep the place clean but from his photos he hasn't even got time to clean the floor.
So why the obsession?
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Bob, you are a sophist and as shameless as they come. You are a thug here on Getbig. Hope you aren't like this to you wife and child.
You sure keep trying to put shit on me, Bob, but it gets returned. What part of this don't you comprehend? Do you think I won't
say these things to your face? Your inability to comprehend simple comments sure is a handicap for you. You aren't aware that people
use you and laugh behind your back. What a stooge and patsy.
Vince, My 2 cents is to forget any serious ideas on actual drug testing within IFBB pro bodybuilding.
To me , the endless debate just sucks the energy and enjoyment out of BB for me.
Why not simply ENJOY the sport now for what it is and have FUN with it as your hobby.
Far better way to live 'eh.
All the best to you regardless,
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Maybe start with a more realistic goal, like getting the NBA to ban tall black fellas.
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Goodrum has to fabricate anything he can to try to discredit us. He has done almost nothing in bodybuilding and is lucky to be able to interact with those of us who have. Can you imagine this guy ever bench pressing 400 pounds? Or squatting 400? While it isn't impossible most guys like Melvin are dreamers and never train hard enough to get big.
Melvin said he mixed up some 'vet' stuff in his bathtub but got side effects. Excuse after excuse. I would say that over 90% of what Goodrum claims is pure bullshit. No PhD, no wrestler, just a dreamer.
He is supposed to stay home and be a house husband. He role is to keep the place clean but from his photos he hasn't even got time to clean the floor.
I don't have to say anything. Your own actions are pretty clear in terms of photographing random kids and whether or not you got permission, its kinda creepy to photograph someone's funeral if you're not a relative or friend of the deceased or hired to do so.
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What is creepy is the way you go to my internet site then make conclusions about me from photos I have taken. I put up photos of some people I meet so they can have copies. Then I remove those photos. What don't you comprehend about that? People like getting photos of themselves.
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I don't have to say anything. Your own actions are pretty clear in terms of photographing random kids and whether or not you got permission, its kinda creepy to photograph someone's funeral if you're not a relative or friend of the deceased or hired to do so.
Goodrum, you look a bit better in your recent pics and I applaud you continued ,natty efforts.
But why pick on Vince Basile? he is one of the good guys and is against drugs.
I agree with Basile's views on drugs in BB, but also think Bob Chick is good for current pro BB .
I respect both of them for what they did/do in BB.
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Goodrum, you look a bit better in your recent pics and I applaud you continued ,natty efforts.
But why pick on Vince Basile? he is one of the good guys and is against drugs.
I agree with Basile's views on drugs in BB, but also think Bob Chick is good for current pro BB .
I respect both of them for what they did/do in BB.
Because Basile seems to put my name in almost everything he says in a negative manner.
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Just what do you consider "some degree of sanity", Basile? Maybe only using SOME drugs like you did?
There is a difference between having a puff of a joint and dropping acid, and meth like no tommorow. Basile wouldn't need to be taken to the hospital like yourself and so many other competitors in really bad shape during competition. Not trying to offend but things in the 90's got really extreme. Look no furthur then your monster of a friend Tom Prince. The genie is out of the bottle, but it would have been great if pros like yourself could win a title without the extreme measures.
Let's put it this way. I'd rather my son be a pro figure skater then bodybuilder, and I really love bodybuilding and hate figureskating.
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Because Basile seems to put my name in almost everything he says in a negative manner.
Yea but you deserve everything people dish out to you. Big difference
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could you and vince get together......and kill yourselves
fucking fat creepy old men spamming a bodybuilding board.............NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE
Creepy old men make the bodybuilding world go round! :-*