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They were screaming about Obama going after gun rights, etc. I"m sure you'll see the video.
Obama got an F from the Brady campaign. Has he introduced a single gun legislation bill?
Yes, he's a kenyan marxist, etc etc... but specifically, what has Obama done to infringe on our gun rights? Or is he actually pretty much acting like a repub on this issue? I don't Bush did *anything* on gun rights. He let states decide, and a LOT of them moved to permits :) He let brady bill sunset - just stayed out of it.
Obama seems to be following the same path - staying out of the states' way as they move to allow more permits. Thoughts? I don't agree with "Well, obama WANTS to do this..." Cause I "WANT" to bang J-lo. Doesn't mean it'll happen.
Is he pretty much doing what Bush did, as far as gun rights? And if so, what the hell are Palin and beck bitching about? Are they mind-readers?
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Have you seen the price of ammo lately.
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their talking to the simpletons to get them all rev ed up,you should know that just look at this site :D
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Have you seen the price of ammo lately.
the price of ammo has gone up because all the hysterical Tbaggers were buying it up and hoarding since the day Obama was elected due to the same baseless scare tactics tht Beck and Bible Spice are doing today
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Have you seen the price of ammo lately.
You have an answer for everything... ::)
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"Have you seen the price of ammo lately. "
dude, ammo prices spiked before obama even took the oath. Every gunowner in my town was buying shit by the 10,000 rounds. Every website was sold outta everything. We talked it about it all the time on getbig.
I can't blame obama for that... I blame gun store owners, survivalists, and people who just decided to wait until Jan 2009 to fill their closets.
Unless you can list where Obama said "i'm going to ban/raise price of ammo..." it's nothing more than paranoid behavior leading to shortages.
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their talking to the simpletons to get them all rev ed up,you should know that just look at this site :D
1. Coming from an admitted plagerizer like yourself, you are tghe last one to talk about anyone on this site.
2. The NRA protects your 2nd amendment rights, whether you like them or not. Not one left wing group does the same thing. Ibn fact, most left wing communists want to abolish the 2nd amendment.
3. Would you say the same thing about people attending an ACLU convention or convention for the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, noth, and 10th amendments?
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Look, I admire the NRA. They 'keep em honest'. We need them to keep the libs from getting too froggy in office, and we need the far-left groups to keep the masses infomed when the right goes too far.
The point of this thread - is Obama going after gun rights.. or does his 2nd amendment policy mirror bush - just like he did on the wars?
And if he's just Bush II when it comes to Second Amendment (stay outta way, let states decide) - then why are Palin and Beck trying to talk shit about Obama on gun rights?
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Look, I think if obamna had his way he would definately abolish all guns and re-institute the AWB.
However, Health Care, Crap & Tax, and the stim bill were more important and I dont think he wanted to get involved in a gun law fiasco while pushing those other items.
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Agreed. But for the first 15 months... has Obama been anything but Bush 2 on gun rights?
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No.
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Look, I think if obamna had his way he would definately abolish all guns and re-institute the AWB.
However, Health Care, Crap & Tax, and the stim bill were more important and I dont think he wanted to get involved in a gun law fiasco while pushing those other items.
when did Obama say he wanted to abolish ALL GUNS?
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He said he is in favor of the DC ban and the AWB, what does that tell you?
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He said he is in favor of the DC ban and the AWB, what does that tell you?
assuming that's what he said it tells me he is in favor of the DC ban and the AWB.
Why do you always make such sweeping assumptions about shit like this?
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Do you even know what the DC gun ban entails?
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Silly thread.They are talking to the NRA of course they are going to use the "liberals are going to take away our gun rights" angle.How does Obama speak when he talks to unions like the AFL/CIO?Does he speak to them the same way he does at the state of the union?Ever hear him at a black church,he sounds like a cheap piss poor imitation of Martin Luther King,ever hear him sound like that when addressing congress?You use the rhetoric of your audiance.
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What a lying sack of shit. He really is a disgusting pofs. The DC gun ban bans ALL handguns. Additionally, the NRA does favor some regulation of handguns.
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I'm happy that his actions have been the same as Bush's when it comes to gun rights. Stay the F outta the way and let the states handle things. More and more states have concealed carry every year - and the reciprocation means you can get a permit in FL and carry in a lot of other states, for example
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240 - did you watch my clip?
You and I both know that he is a lying sack of communist shit. The DC gun ban bans ALL handguns and the NRA has never been for no regulations.
Anyone who still supports this meglomaniac needs to walk the plank. That clip alone shows just how dishonest he is.
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yes, he supported it years ago when running in a lib primary.
as president, he was no longer a dem senator from a lib district. he became president.
With all his power and ability to shove shit thru with the 2 years he'll have a dem congress - he hasn't touched the issue. If he loses the house or senate, no more blank check. He KNOWS he does it now, and he's not doing it.
So I think - honestly - Palin and Beck are pandering, alarmist bullshittters on this issue. unless they screamed about bush's actions on guns, please, they should STFU on criticizing obama on his actions (they are the same!)
I'd be screaming louder than anyone if obama was going after gun rights - He's not.
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gun legislation is on his agenda if you listened to speechs during his campaign he made that clear...
like billy said of course the NRA is going to hype it up just like obama hypes shit up to get ppl active funny thing is 240 gets hyped when obama tells him and starts threads on getbig questioning the NRA...
240 "im a conservative" :P
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'on his agenda'?
Um, he's letting his 20 month window of blank check legislation slip by?
Cause he'll have so much better luck passing it with a repub congress LOL....
face it - he's Bush II on gun rights. 333386 admitted it.
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No he is not 240 - Bush never intended to regulate guns and wouldnt do so even though he had a chance. He let the AWB expire.
Obama on the other hand is contrained by the congress.
Get a clue bro.
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'on his agenda'?
Um, he's letting his 20 month window of blank check legislation slip by?
Cause he'll have so much better luck passing it with a repub congress LOL....
face it - he's Bush II on gun rights. 333386 admitted it.
LOL yea well I think he actually thought ppl would buy into his health care scam...that spent his political capital wad right there...you denying that he made speechs that addressed his desire for more gun legislation?
I never said he tried it,but just b/c he hasnt doesnt mean he doesnt want to and has said he would...
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okay, so at the end of his 4 year term - will obama have attempted to pass sweeping gun legislation?
yes or no?
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okay, so at the end of his 4 year term - will obama have attempted to pass sweeping gun legislation?
yes or no?
Nothing would surprise me with this pofs.
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okay, so at the end of his 4 year term - will obama have attempted to pass sweeping gun legislation?
yes or no?
to early to say but is it possible yes
240 do you deny that he made speeches during his campaign that addressed his desire for more gun legislation?
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oh, now it's "possible" ?
It's "possible" he is scared to try anti-gun legislation with a dem congress, but he'll be 'emboldened' to do it with a repub congress?
Sorry, that makes no sense. He ain't touching guns. Period. Your theory he wants to wait until he has a repub congress = silliness.
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oh, now it's "possible" ?
It's "possible" he is scared to try anti-gun legislation with a dem congress, but he'll be 'emboldened' to do it with a repub congress?
Sorry, that makes no sense. He ain't touching guns. Period. Your theory he wants to wait until he has a repub congress = silliness.
LMAO man you got your tea machine working again didnt you?
where did we say he is waiting for a rep congress? you know the political game 240 going for it right before primaries is a bad move...from what you say the dems will retain both the house and the senate anyways...
do you deny that it was part of his agenda?
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oh boy, so more of this "NWO" nonsense?
Who is in this NWO dude? Is there a guest list? Or is this just the imagination of message board people?
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do you deny that it was part of his agenda?
answer the question 240...
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yes, he supported it years ago when running in a lib primary.
as president, he was no longer a dem senator from a lib district. he became president.
With all his power and ability to shove shit thru with the 2 years he'll have a dem congress - he hasn't touched the issue. If he loses the house or senate, no more blank check. He KNOWS he does it now, and he's not doing it.
So I think - honestly - Palin and Beck are pandering, alarmist bullshittters on this issue. unless they screamed about bush's actions on guns, please, they should STFU on criticizing obama on his actions (they are the same!)
I'd be screaming louder than anyone if obama was going after gun rights - He's not.
So,Beck and Palin should shut up?Pelosi and Clinton can say the tea party people are potential violent terrorists and say they carry "SWAS-STikas!!" and thats perfectly fine.Olbermann can scream in his little girls voice that Bush is a Fascist AND THATS FINE.But Palin and Beck need to shut up because they are exaggerating Obamas record.Pretty amazing double standard you have.
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So I think - honestly - Palin and Beck are pandering, alarmist bullshittters on this issue. unless they screamed about bush's actions on guns, please, they should STFU on criticizing obama on his actions (they are the same!)
I'd be screaming louder than anyone if obama was going after gun rights - He's not.
sorry I missed this....LMFAO but youll defend obama on shit that youve condemned bush for left and right? hhhhhhhahahahhahah
pot meet kettle
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Ha ha. 240 says I'm pushing NWO stuff when I post a clip from Lou Dobbs, but then in the other thread about 911 he claims all sorts of CT crap.
240 - are smoking crack?
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His "Agenda"?
Until the man enacts legislation, his 'agenda' is nothing more than liberal think tank talking points.
What was the Bush "Agenda"? Some grand PNAC scheme which included warring in iran and syria? Probably. What did Bush actually ENACT? Two wars, not the 4 that PNAC wanted.
Then again, you probably don't konw what PNAC is, how its authors filled the Bush white house, etc. Shit man, that's entry level 911 stuff, motive. But you still want to talk about silly pentagon shit. Oh brother...
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I asked you three direct questions in the other thread. Please man the fuck up and answer them.
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His "Agenda"?
Until the man enacts legislation, his 'agenda' is nothing more than liberal think tank talking points.
What was the Bush "Agenda"? Some grand PNAC scheme which included warring in iran and syria? Probably. What did Bush actually ENACT? Two wars, not the 4 that PNAC wanted.
Then again, you probably don't konw what PNAC is, how its authors filled the Bush white house, etc. Shit man, that's entry level 911 stuff, motive. But you still want to talk about silly pentagon shit. Oh brother...
LMFAO youre a fuking tool of epic proportions ::) ;D ;) but your silverlining and ct nuttery is amusing...
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His "Agenda"?
Until the man enacts legislation, his 'agenda' is nothing more than liberal think tank talking points.
What was the Bush "Agenda"? Some grand PNAC scheme which included warring in iran and syria? Probably. What did Bush actually ENACT? Two wars, not the 4 that PNAC wanted.
Then again, you probably don't konw what PNAC is, how its authors filled the Bush white house, etc. Shit man, that's entry level 911 stuff, motive. But you still want to talk about silly pentagon shit. Oh brother...
240 - do you believe the 1993 WTC plot was a CT too?
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I asked you three direct questions in the other thread. Please man the fuck up and answer them.
LOL he wont, he will deflect like he did my question in this thread...
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"LMFAO youre a fuking tool of epic proportions but your silverlining and ct nuttery is amusing...'
Sooooooo
You don't know what PNAC is, but claim to have a clue about 911?
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240 -
After years and years of research as you claim to have performed, surely you have enough info to make a reasonably based judgment or conclusion as to what you believed happened no?
So,
1. Do you believe the WTC were brought down by demolition?
2. Did a missle hit the pentagon?
3. Is the plane in PA fake?
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I've always had the motto..Keep your laws off my body and my guns (and I don't mean my arms)
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I've always had the motto..Keep your laws off my body and my guns (and I don't mean my arms)
i agree men should have the right to abort a child just like women do... ;)
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"LMFAO youre a fuking tool of epic proportions but your silverlining and ct nuttery is amusing...'
Sooooooo
You don't know what PNAC is, but claim to have a clue about 911?
so there were pieces of a plane at the pentegon, pilots who died, ppl who died, ppl who saw a plane but you think a missle hit the pentegon and you claim to have a clue?
;) again your ct nuttery is amusing
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lol back to the pentagon, the biggest distraction of the whol 911 mess.
dude, if ya wanna be a pop mech, liveleak groupee on a single aspect of the day, go for it.
if you want to be an educated adult on the matter, watch 50 videos supporting the official story, and 50 documentaries questioning it.
THEN you will have enough information to make an informed decision. Anything you reach now is based upon emotion and very little fact.
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lol back to the pentagon, the biggest distraction of the whol 911 mess.
dude, if ya wanna be a pop mech, liveleak groupee on a single aspect of the day, go for it.
if you want to be an educated adult on the matter, watch 50 videos supporting the official story, and 50 documentaries questioning it.
THEN you will have enough information to make an informed decision. Anything you reach now is based upon emotion and very little fact.
No its not a distraction. If any part of your CT does not hold up, none of it does and the whole bs CT falls like a house of cards.
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lol back to the pentagon, the biggest distraction of the whol 911 mess.
dude, if ya wanna be a pop mech, liveleak groupee on a single aspect of the day, go for it.
if you want to be an educated adult on the matter, watch 50 videos supporting the official story, and 50 documentaries questioning it.
THEN you will have enough information to make an informed decision. Anything you reach now is based upon emotion and very little fact.
FACT the plane had ppl and pilots that died
FACT plane wreckage was found at the site
FACT ppl report seeing a plane
tell me what part is based on emotion?
its part of your ct 240
ive asked for repeatedly videos to watch youve given me one that was again quickly debunked...
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actually, if any part of the official story doesn't hold up, then the whole "official story" theory should be revisited.
I agree with Palin that we need another 911 investigation. You go ahead and believe
what you want here.
Actually, the 911 commissioners want another investigation as well and call theirs very incomplete. if you want to defend a turd even the authors wont defend, by all means, haev fun lol...
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FACT the plane had ppl and pilots that died
FACT plane wreckage was found at the site
FACT ppl report seeing a plane
tell me what part is based on emotion?
its part of your ct 240
ive asked for repeatedly videos to watch youve given me one that was again quickly debunked...
TONY I wish I could find that video he posted years ago. Shit, that made me speechless, which is hard to do and not often
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actually, if any part of the official story doesn't hold up, then the whole "official story" theory should be revisited.
I agree with Palin that we need another 911 investigation. You go ahead and believe
what you want here.
Actually, the 911 commissioners want another investigation as well and call theirs very incomplete. if you want to defend a turd even the authors wont defend, by all means, haev fun lol...
We have all said we would like to see another investigation...you cite the 9/11 investigation even though that basically kills your missle hit the pentegon CT... ::)
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tony,
at this point you have very poor information and very weak background. Honestly, I could argue the official story better than you at this point.
Learn more before making your judgment. I was an ass to believe the official story and I tried to start a fight with a guy who was a traitor enough to say 'inside job'. It took me a year of research to reverse my thinking. But it wasn't until I put my idiot ego aside and admitted "hey, maybe i dont know shit about this topic' that I was able to look at it objectively.
You've believed the official story from minute 1, right? No amount of arguing from anyone will chnage that. You have to step back, and say "okay, let's watch a few hours of an opposing viewpoint, and see what they're so riled up about".
You watch loose change 3, as an intro, without interruption, and you come back and you tell me the official story is 100% correct, and that you still agree with it. No, you'll assume it's already been debunked (LC3 has not) and you will cite some website you found. That's cool. Carry on
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actually, if any part of the official story doesn't hold up, then the whole "official story" theory should be revisited.
I agree with Palin that we need another 911 investigation. You go ahead and believe
what you want here.
Actually, the 911 commissioners want another investigation as well and call theirs very incomplete. if you want to defend a turd even the authors wont defend, by all means, haev fun lol...
They want an investigation to examine the incompentence of the govt in not preventing it, no one is claiming that missles or holograms and CIA demo teams rigged up the WTC other than insane people whose ego is too big to see they have been utterly duped and fooled.
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TONY I wish I could find that video he posted years ago. Shit, that made me speechless, which is hard to do and not often
I wish you could to mom b/c if its anything like the last one he recommended it will take all of 3 secs and google to debunk...
have you looked at the evidence opposing the theories in that video mom?
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"We have all said we would like to see another investigation..."
That what on god's green earth are we arguing about? LMAO
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"We have all said we would like to see another investigation..."
That what on god's green earth are we arguing about? LMAO
The idiocy of the CT's that have been put forth.
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tony,
at this point you have very poor information and very weak background. Honestly, I could argue the official story better than you at this point.
Learn more before making your judgment. I was an ass to believe the official story and I tried to start a fight with a guy who was a traitor enough to say 'inside job'. It took me a year of research to reverse my thinking. But it wasn't until I put my idiot ego aside and admitted "hey, maybe i dont know shit about this topic' that I was able to look at it objectively.
You've believed the official story from minute 1, right? No amount of arguing from anyone will chnage that. You have to step back, and say "okay, let's watch a few hours of an opposing viewpoint, and see what they're so riled up about".
You watch loose change 3, as an intro, without interruption, and you come back and you tell me the official story is 100% correct, and that you still agree with it. No, you'll assume it's already been debunked (LC3 has not) and you will cite some website you found. That's cool. Carry on
LOL so educate me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i never said i believe the official story that doesnt mean i believe a missle hit hte pentegon and the towers were rigged with explosives...
have you looked at evidence against your theory 240? everytime someone brings up evidence against your ct's you run away...why not discredit that evidence if you can?
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the "CT" I subscribe to is that the official story isn't correct, and needs to be investigated in light of the great deal of info which has come to light - and the great dea of info the 911 commission claimed the white house filtered them from receiving before reaching their conclusion.
That's my position. There are a shitload of Qs out there. it surely wasn't Dubya with a plunger, but it wasn't 19 toasted arabs that let Osama's family fly out of america on 9/12 on a charter flight... ;)
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the "CT" I subscribe to is that the official story isn't correct, and needs to be investigated in light of the great deal of info which has come to light - and the great dea of info the 911 commission claimed the white house filtered them from receiving before reaching their conclusion.
That's my position. There are a shitload of Qs out there. it surely wasn't Dubya with a plunger, but it wasn't 19 toasted arabs that let Osama's family fly out of america on 9/12 on a charter flight... ;)
You just said you believe the WTC was brought down by internal demo.
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tony, it would take me 5 years to post every thought I have on 911. I did it once, trust me, I know how long it takes lol...
watch some documentaries from BOTH SIDES of the issue, and reach your conclusion. I easily watched 15 or 20 before I reached my conclusion that the story stunk. And I read pop mech inside and out.
Do some research - there are ppl devoting years to this - they knoew more about it than you or I.
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"You just said you believe the WTC was brought down by internal demo. "
Where did I just say "Internal demo"?
Link please?
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the "CT" I subscribe to is that the official story isn't correct, and needs to be investigated in light of the great deal of info which has come to light - and the great dea of info the 911 commission claimed the white house filtered them from receiving before reaching their conclusion.
That's my position. There are a shitload of Qs out there. it surely wasn't Dubya with a plunger, but it wasn't 19 toasted arabs that let Osama's family fly out of america on 9/12 on a charter flight... ;)
no of course not you subscribe to the towers were rigged with explosives, a missle hit the pentegon etc...
again 240 have you looked at the evidence against your theories? if yes why do you think that evidence is wrong?
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"You just said you believe the WTC was brought down by internal demo. "
Where did I just say "Internal demo"?
Link please?
In the other thread jackass.
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now you konw what belief system i subscribe to?
whatever. do your research on the issue if you want to learn more. if youve already made up your mind, then enjoy that belief system and may it make you a happy man. Maybe you can learn the truth without researching it. Maybe you KNOW it matched the official story, even if the 911 commissioners say it doesn't.
Sad that a Cter like me can tell you worlds more about the official story than you can lol...
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After nimwits get pwned by 240 on their guns and ammo argument they resort to WTC and shit?
Deflection at all costs it appears.
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"You just said you believe the WTC was brought down by internal demo. "
Where did I just say "Internal demo"?
Link please?
240 - after spending years and years of research as you claim, since you dont believe the "official story" do you believe the following:
1. WTC was brought down by demolition?
1- yes - too many NYPD and FDNY witnesses of bombs all over the building, and seismic activity showing large blasts in basement 10 seconds before planes hit. You knew that though, right?
whats that sound like to you brainchild?
cant even keep up with your own ct's ;)
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'jackass'?
okay, have a nice day. If i'm going to waste time repeating something over and over, and i'm not going to call names, i'd at least appreciate the same in return.
believe what you'd like, and I'll believe what i wish. we're not going to change each other's minds.
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240 - after spending years and years of research as you claim, since you dont believe the "official story" do you believe the following:
1. WTC was brought down by demolition?
2. Pentagon was hit by a missle?
3. The plane in PA never happened?
1- yes - too many NYPD and FDNY witnesses of bombs all over the building, and seismic activity showing large blasts in basement 10 seconds before planes hit. You knew that though, right?
2- I dunno - brutal distraction on this one.
3- I dunno - I agree with Rumsfeld and Michelle Malkin - it was probably shot down, broke up in mid aid.
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240 - are you losing it bro?
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'After nimwits get pwned by 240 on their guns and ammo argument they resort to WTC and shit?"
yeah, no shit.
Hey, 911 911 911 911 911....
Nobody is noticing palin and beck were dogshit wrong on the gun topic.
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run away, run away 240... ::)
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240 - Tony and I posted your own claim from the other thread now you choose to bolt?
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Yes, I believe the NYPD on that part of the 100000 parts of that day.
overall, my position is that we need another investigation. My position is not "bombs everywhere!"
My position is, the official story stinks. I believe the official story on 99% of that day's evetns. I believe FDNY on that particular part.
Does that make sense? My overall position - new investigation needed.
99% of it, I believe the official story
1% I do not.
Make sense?
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'After nimwits get pwned by 240 on their guns and ammo argument they resort to WTC and shit?"
yeah, no shit.
Hey, 911 911 911 911 911....
Nobody is noticing palin and beck were dogshit wrong on the gun topic.
But... but ..... but..... "the price of ammo"....
Swear to God fucking crybabies can't serve up a plate of bullshit that they don't end up eating afterwards.
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I wish you could to mom b/c if its anything like the last one he recommended it will take all of 3 secs and google to debunk...
have you looked at the evidence opposing the theories in that video mom?
I can remember in the video he posted. It was noted how that fucking ugly twat condeliza rice called the San Fran mayor on Sept 10 telling him not to fly and CIA was in Osama's hospital room somewhere in Europe 2 months before the attack. HELLO, they knew he was a fucking Terroists, yeah great job government
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But... but ..... but..... "the price of ammo"....
Swear to God fucking crybabies can't serve up a plate of bullshit that they don't end up eating afterwards.
Did I blame Obama for that? I asked a simple question knowing 240 shoots guns.
Dont you have a few twinks to take photos of today?
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I can remember in the video he posted. It was noted how that fucking ugly twat condeliza rice called the San Fran mayor on Sept 10 telling him not to fly and CIA was in Osama's hospital room somewhere in Europe 2 months before the attack. HELLO, they knew he was a fucking Terroists, yeah great job government
mom this took 2 secs
"THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AFFAIRS CONDOLEEZZA RICE CALLED A FRIEND THE DAY BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11TH AND TOLD HIM TO STAY OUT OF THE AIR THAT WEEK"
so is it possible that she just got intel that an attack might happen and wanted to warn a friend? how do you go from this to the govt planned it?
again this is 2 secs worth of research...
have you looked at evidence that contradicts the video 240 gave you?
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mom this took 2 secs
"THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AFFAIRS CONDOLEEZZA RICE CALLED A FRIEND THE DAY BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11TH AND TOLD HIM TO STAY OUT OF THE AIR THAT WEEK"
so is it possible that she just got intel that an attack might happen and wanted to warn a friend? how do you go from this to the govt planned it?
again this is 2 secs worth of research...
have you looked at evidence that contradicts the video 240 gave you?
I dont know if she got intel, I just remember what I saw on that video and made numerous posts about it over the years. Perhaps I did under my old name bigassjerseygirl. And nope never looked into evidence that contradicts that. I never said it was totally planned. I believe I said it made me think
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where was the friend going? if the govt pulled it off or had advanced integral knowledge she would have been able to say what flight and where it was coming from...if she knew that why call a friend in san fran?
all the flights departed from the east not the west...if he was going to be on one of those flights he would have had to travel to the east first then back to san fran...
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I dont know if she got intel, I just remember what I saw on that video and made numerous posts about it over the years. Perhaps I did under my old name bigassjerseygirl. And nope never looked into evidence that contradicts that. I never said it was totally planned. I believe I said it made me think
I didnt mean you I just meant "you" as a general 9/11 ct'er
there are alot of things that make you think about that day that doesnt mean there was a massive govt conspiracy culminating in explosives in the bottom of the towers...(again not directed at you)
if youve never looked into evidence that contradicts these things how do you know any of those things are credible?
you play pool right? what certain ppl can do with a cue ball will make a lot of ppl think but when you understand the factors behind it, its really just a simple explination...
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I didnt mean you I just meant "you" as a general 9/11 ct'er
there are alot of things that make you think about that day that doesnt mean there was a massive govt conspiracy culminating in explosives in the bottom of the towers...(again not directed at you)
if youve never looked into evidence that contradicts these things how do you know any of those things are credible?
you play pool right? what certain ppl can do with a cue ball will make a lot of ppl think but when you understand the factors behind it, its really just a simple explination...
I suck at pool and last time I played I cracked one of my nails..stupid game if you ask me. Id rather have a michelob ultra and watch jackasses make fools of themselves
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it's political baiting. They're baiting Obama into coming out saying he will never touch guns or he'll say nothing and somehow 'prove their statements' correct.
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if the govt was going to send a missle into the pentagon and do internal demo to the WTC, why would Condi wanr the guy about Flying?
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I suck at pool and last time I played I cracked one of my nails..stupid game if you ask me. Id rather have a michelob ultra and watch jackasses make fools of themselves
LOL pool is a great game especially when youve got a little skill at it
how do you crack a nail playing pool?
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it's political baiting. They're baiting Obama into coming out saying he will never touch guns or he'll say nothing and somehow 'prove their statements' correct.
I can agree with that and as a political move 240 should respect it b/c he loves the "shrewdness of politics" but again i guess thats only when obama is being shrewd :-\
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I can accept that the govt was possibly on notice of a an attack in the works, but what did you expect:
GWB going on TV saying we know an attack is coming, dont know when or where, run for the hills?
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I can agree with that and as a political move 240 should respect it b/c he loves the "shrewdness of politics" but again i guess thats only when obama is being shrewd :-\
Yeah, I'm sure Beck and Palin were going to goto that convention and pull a McCain "we have Nothing to Fear from Obama". ::) ::)
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I can accept that the govt was possibly on notice of a an attack in the works, but what did you expect:
GWB going on TV saying we know an attack is coming, dont know when or where, run for the hills?
exactly...he should create a nationwide panic?
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Did I blame Obama for that? I asked a simple question knowing 240 shoots guns.
Dont you have a few twinks to take photos of today?
Oh look.... it is the "gay" remark. ::)
Which is the standard retort for when you can't say anything else. Now just make a post about the post office or DMV and insert a pie chart and you will have your typical generic non answer to anything else you might get asked today.
Does your twinks obsession come from the fact they have smaller waists than you?
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A lot of ignorance and pandering on both sides of this issue.
Ok 240, I'll be the mature one and play ball. I disagree with your opening statement regarding Beck and Palin for speaking at the NRA that it is no different than voting for a politician. You are not going to agree with all issues, or in this matter speakers. I can assure you from the several firearm sites that I am a part of that people were contemplating not going because of those two...people just enjoy the expos, and the fellowship with like minded people more. That's how people that I personally know went feel, and I will be attending hopefully next year. Complain about their statements...fine, but to lump them with the majority of NRA members(like many ignorant posters here did) is the same level that both FOX and MSNBC love to do. I thought you were better than that.
Also, you have said it yourself that people buy lots of guns and ammo when any new president comes into office. You know as well as I do that this economy spurned a lot of people to take their protection into their own hands. Yes, people feared Obama's agenda, which is not hysteria if you follow his voting record, but it really wasn't the main factor in the buying frenzy that people like to believe. Anti gunners love to spew this, but it isn't the truth.
Have a good one.
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1. Ammo is only going up in price. Remember 9mm at 6.99 a box?
2. Worsening economy is only going to increase demand on AR15's, AK,s Shotguns, etc.
3. Obama has already said he favors the DC (Total) band on gun ownership.
4. Ammo is a commodity like anything else.
5. When SHTF you twinks will be at my door step.
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obama should be given a gun salesman of the year award.....and he actually has made it easier to carry a gun.......and the skyrocketing price of guns, and ammo was caused by republican alarmist, not the democrates......it happens everytime a democrate gets voted in.....hell, when Clinton was voted into office i knew people you actually buried empty freezers full of gun in there yards so "the man" couldn't get they're guns......
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Clinton passed the AWB no?
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Clinton passed the AWB no?
but did he take the guns away?.....i dont think he did.....since i have over 200 of them...
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Its all in the perception no?
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Its all in the perception no?
exactly....hell, most of the gun taken away are legal again....and if you want fully auto, and suppressors they are just a tax stamp, and background check away.....even the magazine restriction law is gone.....i just shot a 100 round beta mag yesterday at practice ;D
i have 12 suppressors, and 2 fully auto's.......i fully believe before you are allowed to own shit like this they SHOULD ask a little bit of questions prior...
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I got everything I want short of a Springfield Armory SOCOM 2 and SA 1911 Operator. i had to go through NYSand FBI bancgeound check. i went through NRA classes, etc and after thatt he last thing on my mind is committing a crime.
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I got everything I want short of a Springfield Armory SOCOM 2 and SA 1911 Operator. i had to go through NYSand FBI bancgeound check. i went through NRA classes, etc and after thatt he last thing on my mind is committing a crime.
in texas, all that is needed is a 5 minute call to the ATF, after you spend 4 minutes filling out the paper work...
i havent shot my SA socom in over a year......i use a operator as my duty gun usually, a week ago i snapped the slide release lever.....now i am using a 1911 that i built using a STI frame...i refuse to carry a handgun without a tac rail...
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I dont think I bashed the NRA - I think they do a VERY good job of calling out every dem that hints at anti-gun legislation. The NRA personally won Bush Florida in 2000.
And yes, the VAST majority of NRA members are highly responsible gun owners who respect the law.
I was hatin' on Palin and Beck for - instead of greeting the crowd, celebrating our freedoms, and praising their continued efforts to keep the Dems a mile away from gun legislation (which would have been postitive)...
instead they got up and bashed on obama, screamed and moaned like bitchy little crybabies, and lied about how Obama is trying to do this or that.
They could have gotten up and declared "ITS WORKING!" - Because by golly, IT IS! The NRA and GOP hold the upper hand - the dems are scared shitless of gun legislation - they don't even MENTION it anymore, because when they do (like holder did) they are attacked mercilessly.
The NRA's efforts have benefitted tremendously from the internet - it is working. Instead of positively pointing this out, these two crybabies reverted to "Obama wants our guns!" fear tactics.
I would rather the GOP and NRA focus upon POSITIVE voices and honest message, not these two goofs.
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I dont think I bashed the NRA - I think they do a VERY good job of calling out every dem that hints at anti-gun legislation. The NRA personally won Bush Florida in 2000.
And yes, the VAST majority of NRA members are highly responsible gun owners who respect the law.
I was hatin' on Palin and Beck for - instead of greeting the crowd, celebrating our freedoms, and praising their continued efforts to keep the Dems a mile away from gun legislation (which would have been postitive)...
instead they got up and bashed on obama, screamed and moaned like bitchy little crybabies, and lied about how Obama is trying to do this or that.
They could have gotten up and declared "ITS WORKING!" - Because by golly, IT IS! The NRA and GOP hold the upper hand - the dems are scared shitless of gun legislation - they don't even MENTION it anymore, because when they do (like holder did) they are attacked mercilessly.
The NRA's efforts have benefitted tremendously from the internet - it is working. Instead of positively pointing this out, these two crybabies reverted to "Obama wants our guns!" fear tactics.
I would rather the GOP and NRA focus upon POSITIVE voices and honest message, not these two goofs.
LMAO nice double standard...guess its only political shrewdness to be respected when obama is doing it eh?
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I respect the shit out of the NRA.
And Obama won the election by being POSITIVE - offering a POSITIVE change (however BS it was).
these 2 clods are being NEGATIVE - and that plays to the base, but not the swing voters. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe palin/mccain got more votes in 2008 ;)
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but did he take the guns away?.....i dont think he did.....since i have over 200 of them...
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I think he did...when you couldn't buy AR or AK style rifles, or anything over 10 round magazines among other things that is taking away guns because it is a direct infringement of the second ammendment of which it blatantly states that right shall not be infringed. Not to mention the AWB was an abject failure in reducing crime which I'm so glad was allowed to sunset.
Your suppressor isn't just a tax stamp away...it is a $200 tax and a six month wait for any class III weapon. A tax for your right? What the hell? I hate even saying that...you are not a criminal just because you want a silencer. While the background check may be appropiate the six month wait is an infringement. When you have to ask the government to exercise a fundamental right(permits) then it is no longer a right, but a privilege. Alaska, Arizona, and Vermont have it right, and they don't have blood running in the streets that many people think would happen then if we had true Constitutional carry like they do. They only have permits(except Vermont) so people can legally carry in other states.
People have a very real and viable scare/belief about Obama and firearms. He signed that carry bill because it was tacked on to something that he wanted...every other president has done the same with different bills so to say that he is for gun rights is ignorant at best. The man's actions speak louder than his words regarding his stance towards the right to keep and bear arms. Just because he hasn't done it yet doesn't mean that he won't attempt a try at gun control. I remain hopeful that he won't because I think people would become unglued if he tried that with the state of the economy and country at the moment.
I respect the shit out of the NRA.
And Obama won the election by being POSITIVE - offering a POSITIVE change (however BS it was).
these 2 clods are being NEGATIVE - and that plays to the base, but not the swing voters. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe palin/mccain got more votes in 2008
You're first post was not clear and came off as negative towards the NRA itself for having Beck and Palin speak at their annual convention. Also, they keep the GOP honest as several(including my Senator Graham) have less than an A+ rating. Not to mention the fact that I have stated before that many people went to see them just to see them...they weren't liked by most gun owners and the people that I know personally.
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i wonder what the NRA rated Obama this year?
Also, how did they rate Bush for his years?
My brother always loved the GOA... gun owners of america... he said "the NRA is too much about compromise, man!" hahaha
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Bush let the AWB expire all while the left wing cry babies and marxists screamed like little fucking twats. Enough said.
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Yes - his action was inaction. It rocked. But I didn't see him delivering a nationwide CCW permit, as many gun owners wanted.
He just stayed out of the state's ways. Same as Obama is doing. That's a great thing, right? If Obama tried a nationwide concealed carry ban - I would be screaming louder than you, 333386. But he has not, even with a dem congress. So I think there's no way he'd try it with a repub congress who would obviously shoot it down (no pun intended).
For his 4 years (or 8, if you goofs run palin), I don't think he'll touch gun rights. Do you think otherwise?
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Yes - his action was inaction. It rocked. But I didn't see him delivering a nationwide CCW permit, as many gun owners wanted.
He just stayed out of the state's ways. Same as Obama is doing. That's a great thing, right? If Obama tried a nationwide concealed carry ban - I would be screaming louder than you, 333386. But he has not, even with a dem congress. So I think there's no way he'd try it with a repub congress who would obviously shoot it down (no pun intended).
For his 4 years (or 8, if you goofs run palin), I don't think he'll touch gun rights. Do you think otherwise?
Only if he wants millions of armed people storming DC.
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It would destroy the dems politically. They won't do it. They've made no indication they'll do it.
Which is why Palin and beck screaming that the sky is falling is just alarmist BS.
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You should see 99% of the mail I get from my congressscum about back alley abortions.
Everyone does it, yet, because you hate palin and beck, you are making this a big to do.
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Obama won by being positive?Jesus,everytime I heard him speak all he did was insult Bush.In fact,thats all he still does.
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That's right, I read yesterday that he is already doing a blame Bush in 2010 and as well as 2012 message.
Of course people like 240 will fall for it hook line and sinker.
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It would destroy the dems politically. They won't do it. They've made no indication they'll do it.
Which is why Palin and beck screaming that the sky is falling is just alarmist BS.
so obama making it part of his campaign during election is no indication that he will do it? ::)
youre a fuking tool you wouldnt oppose gun legislation you would knee pad for it like everything else obama and the dems do... ::)
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"you wouldnt oppose gun legislation"
Uhhhh no.
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"you wouldnt oppose gun legislation"
Uhhhh no.
way to answer my question... ::)
ahhh yes, you silverline for everything this man has done and you would undoubtedly do the same with gun legislation...
240: "ive voted republican all my life"
240: "im a conservative"
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I am a conservative. There were no conservatives on the 2008 repuib ballot.
I voted Bush in 2000 and 2004. I voted Dole in 96.
You weren't around getbig when I was a 1-issue voter my whole life. Then, well, that 911 bullshit happened and it opened up my eyes to politics.
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I am a conservative. There were no conservatives on the 2008 repuib ballot.
I voted Bush in 2000 and 2004. I voted Dole in 96.
You weren't around getbig when I was a 1-issue voter my whole life. Then, well, that 911 bullshit happened and it opened up my eyes to politics.
Being a conservative is not about your voting record, but your ideology.
You cant be a Conservativ/libertarian and support the stim bill, bailouts, takeovers, etc.
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'You cant be a Conservativ/libertarian and support the stim bill, bailouts, takeovers, etc. :"
O RLY?
is Palin a conservative, 333386? She sure as shit supported the bailouts and TARP in 07 and 08. It's only in 2009 that she decided not to support them anymore.
Is she a conservative dude?
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Not mostly.
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tony, are you a conservative? yes or no?
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tony, are you a conservative? yes or no?
yes...
and like 3333 said being a conservative is not about voting record its about ideology...
you sir are no conservative...
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"Not mostly"... is that like "kinda pregnant"?
See, this whole "if you're not 100% supportive of every conservative policy, you can't be a conservative" mindset is the reason the repub party is shrinking so damn much.
It's actually hard to find ANY repub who is 100% conservative. Half the dickwads here voted clinton, don't carry a weapon, supported Bush spending 3 tril on bank and auto bailouts, supported and voted for mccain and his amnesty bill...
Sorry dude, but I think no so-called "conservative" on this board agrees with 100% of the conservative issues. Hell, it's often hard to find a consensus. Look at the AZ Immigration bill - You aren't going to find anyone to out-conservative Tom Tancredo... and he thinks the bill violates rights. But "conservatives" like Palin, who backed the bailout and amnesty, suddenly love the bill.
So by your rigid ddefinition, Tancredo isn't a conservative (hated AZ bill).
Palin isn't a conservative (backed TARP)
Hell, tell us ANY conservative and I can find a lib splotch on his record.
it's about shades of gray dude. I'm called a 'lib' because I understand presidents will bail out big firms. But Beach bum, in a lib career for a lib state, non-gun carrying, palin loving, clinton-voting kinda guy.... he's a true conseravtive? Me, carrying a gun, hating welfare, healthcare, wanting physical beatings for drunk drivers and illegals... I'm a lib.
hows that work dude?
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'You cant be a Conservativ/libertarian and support the stim bill, bailouts, takeovers, etc. :"
O RLY?
is Palin a conservative, 333386? She sure as shit supported the bailouts and TARP in 07 and 08. It's only in 2009 that she decided not to support them anymore.
Is she a conservative dude?
Thats silly.Not all conservatives agree on every issue.Newt also supported the bailouts as did many conservatives as they were being told without it our banking system would collapse.Palin wasnt in Washington so she believed the experts.
Now,I was against the bailouts,the stimulus,the takeovers,the health care crap,the Bush perscription drug program,the war in Iraq,any pay outs to unions.In fact,Id like to see the filthy government stick to defending the border and fixing the freaking roads THATS IT!NO WAR ON DRUGS,NO WAR ON POVERTY,NO TROOPS ON FOREIGN SOIL UNLESS THEY ATTACK US,NO WELFARE,NO FOOD STAMPS,THE ELIMINATION OF 90% OF GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS,and Im for term limits.
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I'm with you.
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LMAO 240 you say youre all those things but when it comes down to it you act otherwise...actions speak louder than words and you may say youre a conservative but you act like a liberal...
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BILLY SAID: "Not all conservatives agree on every issue
33 said: You cant be a Conservativ/libertarian and support the stim bill, bailouts, takeovers, etc.
So guys, can you get together and decide EXACTLY what list of bills you have to support to be a conservative? Was Bush a true conservative? He did 3 tril in auto bailouts.
How bout Bush 1? He taxed us into a recession after caving to dems. He increased welfare in a HUGE way. Monster entitlements.
Reagan? He cna't be a true conservative either. He longed for a world without nukes. He was a lib actor who switched to the repub party to win an election LMAO.... Our barracks were bombed in Beirut and he never delivered the troops to punish the guilty.
hard to find a leader who is conservative all of the time. I guess 333386 has the ability to tell them apart - if they agree with him :(
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conservatives are conservative the majority of the time...
liberals are liberals the majority of the time
independents are in between the majority of the time
would you like me to demonstrate through your previous posts why you sir are no conservative? ;)
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I am a conservative. There were no conservatives on the 2008 repuib ballot.
I voted Bush in 2000 and 2004. I voted Dole in 96.
You weren't around getbig when I was a 1-issue voter my whole life. Then, well, that 911 bullshit happened and it opened up my eyes to politics.
Lets see.. you watch MSNBC 24/7, you copy many articles on here from Media Matters and Huffinton Post, and for the last year and half, you have mocked Republicans, and defended and promoted Obama in almost every post.
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BILLY SAID: "Not all conservatives agree on every issue
33 said: You cant be a Conservativ/libertarian and support the stim bill, bailouts, takeovers, etc.
So guys, can you get together and decide EXACTLY what list of bills you have to support to be a conservative? Was Bush a true conservative? He did 3 tril in auto bailouts.
How bout Bush 1? He taxed us into a recession after caving to dems. He increased welfare in a HUGE way. Monster entitlements.
Reagan? He cna't be a true conservative either. He longed for a world without nukes. He was a lib actor who switched to the repub party to win an election LMAO.... Our barracks were bombed in Beirut and he never delivered the troops to punish the guilty.
hard to find a leader who is conservative all of the time. I guess 333386 has the ability to tell them apart - if they agree with him :(
BUMP FOR 240.