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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
Almost two years in people are still blaming Bush.
So my question is, at what point is it valid to start blaming the Democrats and Obama since the Dems took over the Legislative Branch in 2006 and the WH in 2008?
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Most Libs don't care about the truth, it is all about control to them, as they love the Kool-Aid.
We could be at 50% Unemployment a year from now, and it wouldn't matter to many.
As I posted earlier:
Unemployment has increased.
Spending has increased.
The Deficit has increased.
Back room deals have increased.
Foreclosures have increased.
Presentational Golf outings have increased.
and yet many Libs think he is doing a great job!
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I'm not kidding.
Lets say its 2012 and the UE is the same or worse. Do they still blame Bush?
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I'm not kidding.
Lets say its 2012 and the UE is the same or worse. Do they still blame Bush?
They'll try to blame him, that's for sure.
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if they dont blame bush they will blame it on someone else, they never take responsibility
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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA
Like that will ever happen. Thanks for the pre-weekend laugh dude.
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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
When things start going right. :)
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When things start going right.
hussein getting things right lololololololololol bahahahahahahahahahahaha ha lololololololololololol :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
wow that was a good one
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this coming from a bunch of morons that get their news from beck and rush, priceless :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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i already proved that wrong about your assumptions of where people get their news, how much longer you going to say that tired line of b.s?
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i'll bet more then half watch beck or rush ;D
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i watch both sides news , some more than others, and i read things from both sides, but what you said can be said about the liberal goof troop and msnbcrap, how is that any different
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hussein getting things right lololololololololol bahahahahahahahahahahaha ha lololololololololololol :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
wow that was a good one
I wrote "going", not "getting". :)
Some of these things are cyclical or at the very least will bounce a little after we've hot rock bottom.
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i watch cnn bbc and fox
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this coming from a bunch of morons that get their news from beck and rush, priceless :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
LMAO what does that have to do with when this administration and the dems start taking responsibility?
answer the question blacken when do they?
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Deflection often manifests in the absence of any credible retort.
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In all honesty it should have been six months ago. New presidents typically get a one year grace period, because obviously it takes a while for policies to come into effect. Personally, in Obama's case, I said he owned it way back in February of 09 because of his signing of the $800 billion stimulus package. But typically after one year you own it. This is why a President's first State of the Union address is so short.
Here is the thing. If you are going to blame Bush for the economy tanking in his last 13 months of office of an 8 presidency after he himself inherited a falling economy and eventually had economic growth for 52 straight months and eventually a 4.8% unemployment rate and eventually a historically low deficit for the first 7 of those 8 years, (and if you didnt even blame Clinton for the falling economy that he inherited), then you must logically blame Obama for his first 18 months in which he has seen an increase in the unemployemnt rate from 7% to 10%, a post WW2 high of debt in spite of TARP being paid back, not to mention an extra 25% dip in the stock market after it had been relatively calm during Bush's last 3 months.
Oh, and lets not forget that we have seen a 2 to 4 fold increase in non government foiled terrorist attacks. Small extra detail there.
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In all honesty it should have been six months ago. New presidents typically get a one year grace period,
I disagree. You get a one-day grace period. Then, your reaction is yours. Your policy is yours. Bush doesn't "get a pass" for 911 - he got a clear memo 6 weeks out and ignored it. He got clear details that morning, and all his agencies somehow stood down til the 4th plane was down. Clinton had been golfing for 280 days at that point - not his fault.
Just like the gulf oil spill is obama's baby. He had 15 months to change safety procedures, and chose not to... jut like Bush had 9 months to change our national security policy and didn't do a thing.
Hell, WTC93 was planned on bush1's watch, and took place after Bubba was in office only 3 months - and he owns it too.
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I disagree. You get a one-day grace period. Then, your reaction is yours. Your policy is yours. Bush doesn't "get a pass" for 911 - he got a clear memo 6 weeks out and ignored it. He got clear details that morning, and all his agencies somehow stood down til the 4th plane was down. Clinton had been golfing for 280 days at that point - not his fault.
Just like the gulf oil spill is obama's baby. He had 15 months to change safety procedures, and chose not to... jut like Bush had 9 months to change our national security policy and didn't do a thing.
Hell, WTC93 was planned on bush1's watch, and took place after Bubba was in office only 3 months - and he owns it too.
There were not enough details in that memo. Both Bush and Clinton deserve some blame for 9/11. But we are all equally to blame for 9/11. No one took terrorism or national security in general seriously enough after the fall of the Soviet Union.
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bush had 9 months to redo his nat'l security... he kept all the clinton guys on board.
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BUMP for the lefties.
If in 2012, UE is still 10% - do you still blame Bush considering that the Dems have had the congress since 2006?
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i'll bet more then half watch beck or rush ;D
And what does that have to do with the abysmal failures of Obama, much less the fact that those two MOP UP THE FLOOR with the left-winged goofies you post on this forum?
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BUMP for the lefties.
If in 2012, UE is still 10% - do you still blame Bush considering that the Dems have had the congress since 2006?
Unemployment may be close to 12% by that time.
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Real UE is 16.6%. The "official UE rate" from the BLS is a political number, nothing else.
The only way the BLS was able to claim a 9.5 number was by taking 652,000 people out of the supposed workforce claiming that they had stopped looking for work. That is what is called Obamanomics at works.
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Real UE is 16.6%. The "official UE rate" from the BLS is a political number, nothing else.
Soooo
Bush inherited a 3.97% unemployment rate and more than DOUBLED it when he left office to 8.1%.
The day Obama took the oath - It was at 8%, correct?
Soooo if it is 9.7% or so today...
(Also... if the UE rate is BS today... was it also BS under Clinton and Bush?)
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Soooo
Bush inherited a 3.97% unemployment rate and more than DOUBLED it when he left office to 8.1%.
The day Obama took the oath - It was at 8%, correct?
Soooo if it is 9.7% or so today...
(Also... if the UE rate is BS today... was it also BS under Clinton and Bush?)
Wrong 240 - when Obama took over it was at 6 point something.
And show me where Bush inhereited 3.97%
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Wrong 240 - when Obama took over it was at 6 point something.
And show me where Bush inhereited 3.97%
Really? ???
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Wrong 240 - when Obama took over it was at 6 point something.
And show me where Bush inhereited 3.97%
240's numbers are right, but it doesn't change the fact that it's continued to rise under Barry's leadership. I have a feeling his next campaign will continue to be all about "blame Bush" no matter how much time he has had.
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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
Almost two years in people are still blaming Bush.
So my question is, at what point is it valid to start blaming the Democrats and Obama since the Dems took over the Legislative Branch in 2006 and the WH in 2008?
Obama has followed Bush's lead to a T, they're both equally responsible. We can't change what Bush did, so I'd say it's time to focus on Obama...
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240's numbers are right, but it doesn't change the fact that it's continued to rise under Barry's leadership. I have a feeling his next campaign will continue to be all about "blame Bush" no matter how much time he has had.
please give me the actual numbers with links- what was the UE rate on Jan 20, 2001, and what was the UE rate on Jan 20, 2009?
Maybe google gave me the wrong numbers. Thanks!
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Obama has followed Bush's lead to a T, they're both equally responsible. We can't change what Bush did, so I'd say it's time to focus on Obama...
youre making to much sense bro 240 and the liberal goof troop dont want to admit yet that their saviour was a dud...they will come around sooner or later but they just simply arent ready to face the reality of the situation so they continue to bring up palin/bush/mccain as equivilants to make them feel better about their knee padding... :-\
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youre making to much sense bro 240 and the liberal goof troop dont want to admit yet that their saviour was a dud...they will come around sooner or later but they just simply arent ready to face the reality of the situation so they continue to bring up palin/bush/mccain as equivilants to make them feel better about their knee padding... :-\
These dopes place stupid comments by stupid people like palin, steele, barton, boehner et al on the same level as as the disastrous laws, policies, and regulations being put into place by their messiah.
You just cant make this up anymore as to how deluded the left is.
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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
A) Hell freezing over
B) Cure for Cancer/AIDS
C) Richard Simmons defeating Jay Cutler for the Olympia
D) Buffalo Bills winning a Super Bowl
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Mons or Lurker - can you help us out on this thread?
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If a president leaves office with a higher national debt than when he took the oath, he failed the country. Period.
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Never thats when.
Why do they hate being called communists? They are. Someone unthaw mccarthy.
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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
Almost two years in people are still blaming Bush.
So my question is, at what point is it valid to start blaming the Democrats and Obama since the Dems took over the Legislative Branch in 2006 and the WH in 2008?
So do Repubs take responsibility?
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So do Repubs take responsibility?
They should for a portion of the mess.
However, the Dems were elected in 2006, and obama in 2008, claiming they had all the answers, would end the wars, the economy, taxes, etc.
Its years later and things are drastically worse.
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They should for a portion of the mess.
However, the Dems were elected in 2006, and obama in 2008, claiming they had all the answers, would end the wars, the economy, taxes, etc.
Its years later and things are drastically worse.
when repubs are eleceted...are they chosen because they told the country that they had the answers?
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when repubs are eleceted...are they chosen because they told the country that they had the answers?
They were and screwed up and were replaced, rightfully.
The GOP was a disaster. But two wrongs don't make a right.
And Obama/Pelosi begged for the job and asked for your vote based on their claims to have the answers to all the wrongs committed by Bush.
Would you have voted for Obama if his only message was "Vote for me, I look better in shades than gramps"?
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They were and screwed up and were replaced, rightfully.
The GOP was a disaster. But two wrongs don't make a right.
And Obama/Pelosi begged for the job and asked for your vote based on their claims to have the answers to all the wrongs committed by Bush.
Would you have voted for Obama if his only message was "Vote for me, I look better in shades than gramps"?
So shouldnt your thread title read "POLITICANS NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY"
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So shouldnt your thread title read "POLITICANS NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY"
It was labeled that way since everyone is still blaming Bush and the GOP. Fine, I don't think there are anyone, including myself who does not attribute a ton of blame to what they did.
Other than Alito & Roberts, I mostly despised Bush, and still am revolted by Boehner, McCconnell and those fools.
No one says obama didnt walk into a mess, but it is something he campaigned for and something he said he had the answers to. 4 years after Pelosi took over the Congress, things have only gotten worse.
Almost 2 years into his presidency nothing really has changed, but for the worse. He and Pelosi are still blaming Bush, so my question is when they will take responsibility themselves, if ever?
BTW - one thing that is utterly revolting to me is how the people like Delay, Hasstert, Frist, et al never apologized for their bs.
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So shouldnt your thread title read "POLITICANS NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY"
I sincerely hope you're not this retarded in medicine. It's a topical discussion board and the topic in this thread is Obama and Democrats. If you want to talk about Republicans taking responsibility, then just start a thread on that topic - instead of crying like a little bitch.
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I sincerely hope you're not this retarded in medicine. It's a topical discussion board and the topic in this thread is Obama and Democrats. If you want to talk about Republicans taking responsibility, then just start a thread on that topic - instead of crying like a little bitch.
Son watch your mouth...i will earth slam your punk ass. Im not going to go into the argument with you...but watch your fuckin mouth bitch
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Son watch your mouth...i will earth slam your punk ass. Im not going to go into the argument with you...but watch your fuckin mouth bitch
I'm not feelin' any luv from you.
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The GOP was a disaster.
No shit Sherlock >:(
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If a president leaves office with a higher national debt than when he took the oath, he failed the country. Period.
isn't that just about eveyr prez in history?
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No shit Sherlock >:(
However, the Dems are worse x 1,000,000,000
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However, the Dems are worse x 1,000,000,000
No finger pointing............BOTH ruined our Country.
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isn't that just about eveyr prez in history?
Yes, that is why we are in such bad shape. Until the country is serious about a Ron Paul type who would shrink government and cut spending to a bare minimum, it's only going to get worse.
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BUMP.
At what point do the socialists actually admit failure of their horrific policies?
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The socialist pigs on these boards will never blame Obama and the white house will never take responsability.
But most of the American people realize that the Dems have been in charge since 2006 and nothing has changed for the better. Come November, many Dems will be shown the door out of Washington D.C.
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The socialist pigs on these boards will never blame Obama and the white house will never take responsability.
But most of the American people realize that the Dems have been in charge since 2006 and nothing has changed for the better. Come November, many Dems will be shown the door out of Washington D.C.
I already signed up to do vote fraud monitoring.
After this disgusting pofs admn tried the KSM trials in NYC and now the mosque issue, not to mention ObamaCare, the Stim Bill, Cap & Trade, as well as all the other awful things eminating from Wash. DC, the least I can do is give up a day or two to try to oust these traitors.
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As I have said in other threads they cant because they will expose themselves to be the complete asses they are after calling Bush the worst president in history and calling Barack Obama the savior.
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I already signed up to do vote fraud monitoring.
After this disgusting pofs admn tried the KSM trials in NYC and now the mosque issue, not to mention ObamaCare, the Stim Bill, Cap & Trade, as well as all the other awful things eminating from Wash. DC, the least I can do is give up a day or two to try to oust these traitors.
How is mr "obama calls swat on grandmothers"...gonna do "fraud" monitoring?
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How is mr "obama calls swat on grandmothers"...gonna do "fraud" monitoring?
I have done it since 2000 and know far more about the topic than you do.
Again - when to the Dems start taking responsibility for anything?
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The Word Pelosi said once there are no more problems THEN its the democrats responsibility.What a dope that women is.
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They have taken responsibility, they've taken responsibility for the "success." They see the past 18+ months as a success. They accomplished exactly what they set out to do and their rolling with it.
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They have taken responsibility, they've taken responsibility for the "success." They see the past 18+ months as a success. They accomplished exactly what they set out to do and their rolling with it.
I'm just trying to figure out at what point they take responsibility for anything? They spent 2 years blaming Bush, and now they seem to be moving to trashing Boehner.
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I'm just trying to figure out at what point they take responsibility for anything? They spent 2 years blaming Bush, and now they seem to be moving to trashing Boehner.
They never have to, that's the beauty of far-left/socialist thinking, it's never your fault, it's always someone else. They can always say "we're fighting for you but those greedy fat cats and dirty republicans are still trying to hold us down." A lot of people buy that crap, thankfully though it's less and less people buying stock in this garbage.
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They never have to, that's the beauty of far-left/socialist thinking, it's never your fault, it's always someone else. They can always say "we're fighting for you but those greedy fat cats and dirty republicans are still trying to hold us down." A lot of people buy that crap, thankfully though it's less and less people buying stock in this garbage.
333386, Arnold Jr is correct, they never have to, and they never will.
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A Failing Presidency and a Broken Party
Commentary ^ | September 21, 2010 | Peter Wehner
This heartfelt comment and question the first one President Obama received at a CNBC town hall gathering yesterday, may well become emblematic of the first half (at least) of the Obama presidency.
Ms. Velma Hart middle class, a wife and the mother of two, a veteran, and an African-American Obama supporter said this:
Quite frankly, I'm exhausted I'm exhausted of defending you, defending your administration, defending the mantle of change that I voted for, and deeply disappointed with where we are right now. I have been told that I voted for a man who said was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class. I'm one of those people and I'm waiting, sir. I'm waiting. I don't feel it yet. And I thought while it wouldn't be in great measure, I'd feel it in some small measure. I have two children in private school and the financial recession has taken an enormous toll on my family. My husband and I have joked for years that we thought we were well beyond the hot dogs and beans era of our lives, but, quite frankly, it's starting to knock on our door and ring true that that might be where we're headed again, and, quite frankly, Mr. President, I need you to answer this honestly. Is this my new reality?
This was a very bad moment for the Obama presidency because it was such an honest and representative one.
Velma Hart is obviously no Tea Party activist. The town hall audience was undoubtedly vetted by the White House in advance of the event. So for Ms. Hart to frame the question she did, in the manner she did, was fairly extraordinary. And she was not the only person who asked searching questions of Mr. Obama. A recent law school graduate, Ted Brassfield, told Mr. Obama that he had hoped to pursue a career in public service, like Obama himself, but said he could barely pay the interest on his student loans, let alone think of getting married or starting a family. "I was really inspired by you and your campaign and the message you brought," Brassfield said, "and that inspiration is dying away. And I really want to know, is the American dream dead for me?"
Having worked in the White House, I can assure you this is not what Obama and his team of advisers wanted to hear certainly not from a hand-picked audience at an economic town hall forum that is being broadcast on television six weeks before a crucial midterm election.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a contributor to CONTENTIONS wrote this cautionary note regarding the new president-elect:
Sooner than he might imagine, and certainly sooner than he might wish, the responsibility for how America is performing will fall to him and his Democratic colleagues in the House and the Senate. A year from now, it won't be enough to blame the problems on others. He and other Democrats ran and won on the promise that they would turn things around, and do so quickly. Those promises can't be reeled back. Obama in particular has set a very high bar. Indeed, the expectations for "change"-in policies, in performance, even in the way we conduct our politics-is as high as I can recall
For understandable reasons, many people are being swept up in this remarkable American moment. But reality will intrude soon enough, and Barack Obama will face the same standards that every other President has faced. Incantations of "hope" and "change" can work in a campaign. They are virtually useless when it comes to governing. Barack Obama is about to enter the crucible. We'll see how he performs.
President Obama has, so far at least, performed rather dismally. He set super-human expectations for himself including his pledge to slow the rise of the oceans and begin to heal the planet, his commitment to resist the temptation to "fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long," and to "transform" America at what he called a "defining moment."
In some respects, of course, President Obama has transformed America but in ways many American find alarming. What we are seeing all across our land is an extraordinary, organic movement rising up against Obamaism. If you go to the heart of this effort, beyond even the policy differences themselves, what you will find is an effort to restore America. It is a direct, energetic, and sometimes rambunctious response to the president's transformational project, to his effort to remake America in his own liberal image and conforming to his own liberal views and values.
As we saw yesterday, at the economic town hall meeting, the hope and promise of Obama has collided with, and is being shattered by, reality.
Barack Obama is, right now, the architect of a failing presidency and, soon, a broken party.
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YOU HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 4 YEARS TO DISGUSTING ROTTEN PPOOOOFFFSS! ! !
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Nancy Pelosi: Blame George W. Bush, bash the Chamber of Commerce
Politico ^
Nancy Pelosi: Blame George W. Bush, bash the Chamber of Commerce
By: Jake Sherman October 18, 2010 07:00 AM EDT
With her party down in the polls and poised to lose potentially dozens of seats in the mid terms, Speaker Nancy Pelosi will use one of her last major speeches before the elections to hit two favorite Democratic targets: George W. Bush and the Chamber of Commerce.
We have lost millions of jobs to outsourcing under President Bush. We dont intend to repeat that policy no matter how much money the Chamber of Commerce dumps into our elections," Pelosi plans to tell the Women of Steel Convention in Pittsburgh on Monday, according to prepared remarks.
Democrats in recent weeks have started ripping the right-leaning Chamber in recent weeks, claiming they are dumping foreign money into American congressional elections a charge the organization has denied.
Pelosi's speech Monday is one of her highest profile appearances in the run-up to the midterm election. A group of her Democratic colleagues have backed away from her, saying they wouldn't support her for speaker should the party keep the majority. Pelosi's October has largely consisted of fundraising, and her public campaigning schedule has been lighter. She'll be in New York Tuesday, raising money for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Pelosi also plans to push the Democrats' "Make it in America" mantra.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
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YOU HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 4 YEARS TO DISGUSTING ROTTEN PPOOOOFFFSS! ! !
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Nancy Pelosi: Blame George W. Bush, bash the Chamber of Commerce
Politico ^
Nancy Pelosi: Blame George W. Bush, bash the Chamber of Commerce
By: Jake Sherman October 18, 2010 07:00 AM EDT
With her party down in the polls and poised to lose potentially dozens of seats in the mid terms, Speaker Nancy Pelosi will use one of her last major speeches before the elections to hit two favorite Democratic targets: George W. Bush and the Chamber of Commerce.
We have lost millions of jobs to outsourcing under President Bush. We dont intend to repeat that policy no matter how much money the Chamber of Commerce dumps into our elections," Pelosi plans to tell the Women of Steel Convention in Pittsburgh on Monday, according to prepared remarks.
Democrats in recent weeks have started ripping the right-leaning Chamber in recent weeks, claiming they are dumping foreign money into American congressional elections a charge the organization has denied.
Pelosi's speech Monday is one of her highest profile appearances in the run-up to the midterm election. A group of her Democratic colleagues have backed away from her, saying they wouldn't support her for speaker should the party keep the majority. Pelosi's October has largely consisted of fundraising, and her public campaigning schedule has been lighter. She'll be in New York Tuesday, raising money for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Pelosi also plans to push the Democrats' "Make it in America" mantra.
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Bro we we all know it was all good the day Bush left and the day obama took over...it went left....in 2 years it went from awesome to like awful like the society of "Road Warrior" you get no argument from me..
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Hey Mal - have you ever taken a civics class? Yes or no?
Pelosi and the dems have run the congress since 2007 and have not done a damn thing to reverse or chance anything Bush did. And they have the balls to keep up spreading these lies?
Well - i know why of course - the know statistically 95% of blacks will vote Dem no matter if David Duke ran as a Dem. You know it and so do I.
That is all the dems have left and that is why they are pandering to racial groups.
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Hey Mal - have you ever taken a civics class? Yes or no?
Pelosi and the dems have run the congress since 2007 and have not done a damn thing to reverse or chance anything Bush did. And they have the balls to keep up spreading these lies?
Well - i know why of course - the know statistically 95% of blacks will vote Dem no matter if David Duke ran as a Dem. You know it and so do I.
That is all the dems have left and that is why they are pandering to racial groups.
Im with you bro.. When in doubt...Blame Obama..2 years is a hella long time
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Im with you bro.. When in doubt...Blame Obama..2 years is a hella long time
I don't blame him alone - its the trifecta of Obama/Reid/Pelosi that is so toxic.
Go back to my posts right after the election - I said clearly that obama would go down as very successful if he seperates himself from the Reid/Pelosi gang and work from the middle.
Instead he has hitched the hope & change wagon to those two freaks and is going down like the titantic.
He had a choice to make, made one which all but the far left knew would be a disaster, and now has to sleep in the bed he made.
Now - instead of retaining majorities in the congress, he is going to get his balls cut off in 2 weeks and the hope & change show is over.
Its his own damn fault and he can't blame bush for that anymore.
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I don't blame him alone - its the trifecta of Obama/Reid/Pelosi that is so toxic.
Go back to my posts right after the election - I said clearly that obama would go down as very successful if he seperates himself from the Reid/Pelosi gang and work from the middle.
Instead he has hitched the hope & change wagon to those two freaks and is going down like the titantic.
He had a choice to make, made one which all but the far left knew would be a disaster, and now has to sleep in the bed he made.
Now - instead of retaining majorities in the congress, he is going to get his balls cut off in 2 weeks and the hope & change show is over.
Its his own damn fault and he can't blame bush for that anymore.
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Reagan came in with an even worse economy and in two years the GDP was over 8%.Obamas is 1.5%.He is making it worse not better.UE has gone up not down,the deficit has gone up not down,the GDP has gone down not up.What has he done to make things better.Its far far worse,which is why the democrats are about to get their ass handed to them in Nov.
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Reagan came in with an even worse economy and in two years the GDP was over 8%.Obamas is 1.5%.He is making it worse not better.UE has gone up not down,the deficit has gone up not down,the GDP has gone down not up.What has he done to make things better.Its far far worse,which is why the democrats are about to get their ass handed to them in Nov.
and he spent hella crazy and raised taxes too.
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You blame everything on bush for 8 years, yet assign no blame to Obama at all. Got it. Typical liberal double standards.
Bush did not have an unfettered 8 years to do whatever he wanted. 2004-2008 was a mess politics wise and the dems took over in 2006.
Bro - do you even understand civics and how things work?
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You blame everything on bush for 8 years, yet assign no blame to Obama at all. Got it. Typical liberal double standards.
Bush did not have an unfettered 8 years to do whatever he wanted. 2004-2008 was a mess politics wise and the dems took over in 2006.
Bro - do you even understand civics and how things work?
But when you put "Obama" to the title..Its only fair to counter with "Bush" Correct?
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But when you put "Obama" to the title..Its only fair to counter with "Bush" Correct?
Yes - but to keep saying 8 years of bush is simply misleading since Bush did not haver control over the economy or deficit the last two years, the dems did in congress and Bush just rode it out.
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Bush can only be blamed for so long, and as far as I am concerned the day Obama took office the problem was his. He knew what he was getting into, he was in the senate. Pelosi/Reed they knew what was going on, hell they had a large majority since 2007.
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Yes - but to keep saying 8 years of bush is simply misleading since Bush did not haver control over the economy or deficit the last two years, the dems did in congress and Bush just rode it out.
And thats all good...But when you say "Obama" basically putting his face to this problem..and you say his administration... its only fair that i say it happened under the Bush administration.
See...this is the thing chief..in your mind..if the right takes over all is well...but thats wrong. They are part of the american Political structure and are beholden to the same big business campaign contributers.. S&L Debacle..that was on both sides of the isle.. So basically.. i dont trust none of them and have no faith in our political system. Im not a fucking idiot who thinks (on a national level) that the people elected actually care. They are all crooked, and american politics is big business. But you seem to think that if it all goes conservative that the country will be fixed and i aint drinking that shit
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And thats all good...But when you say "Obama" basically putting his face to this problem..and you say his administration... its only fair that i say it happened under the Bush administration.
See...this is the thing chief..in your mind..if the right takes over all is well...but thats wrong. They are part of the american Political structure and are beholden to the same big business campaign contributers.. S&L Debacle..that was on both sides of the isle.. So basically.. i dont trust none of them and have no faith in our political system. Im not a fucking idiot who thinks (on a national level) that the people elected actually care. They are all crooked, and american politics is big business. But you seem to think that if it all goes conservative that the country will be fixed and i aint drinking that shit
What is the title of this thread?
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And thats all good...But when you say "Obama" basically putting his face to this problem..and you say his administration... its only fair that i say it happened under the Bush administration.
See...this is the thing chief..in your mind..if the right takes over all is well...but thats wrong. They are part of the american Political structure and are beholden to the same big business campaign contributers.. S&L Debacle..that was on both sides of the isle.. So basically.. i dont trust none of them and have no faith in our political system. Im not a fucking idiot who thinks (on a national level) that the people elected actually care. They are all crooked, and american politics is big business. But you seem to think that if it all goes conservative that the country will be fixed and i aint drinking that shit
I have to disagree about one part of your post, if actual fiscal conservative took over (not republicans) then this country would make a big turn around. Bush/Obama the POTUS changes every 8 years but congress doesn't necessarily, hell you have people spending their whole lives in congress. That is the fucked part of this whole thing, congress should have term limits as well, that would drain the swamp so to speak.
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What is the title of this thread?
OBAMA
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I was reading what I think was Newsweek while doing cardio the other day and even they had an article saying that the Dems have worn out the usefulness of the "blame everything on Bush" card.
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I have to disagree about one part of your post, if actual fiscal conservative took over (not republicans) then this country would make a big turn around. Bush/Obama the POTUS changes every 8 years but congress doesn't necessarily, hell you have people spending their whole lives in congress. That is the fucked part of this whole thing, congress should have term limits as well, that would drain the swamp so to speak.
And i fully understand what you are saying, but its a difference in your label and your being. One can call himself a fiscal consercative, but when his human side takes over and he wants to get re-elected tunes start to change. Am i right?
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I was reading what I think was Newsweek while doing cardio the other day and even they had an article saying that the Dems have worn out the usefulness of the "blame everything on Bush" card.
I mean if you keep asking what 1+1 is. it will always = 0
Its not opinion its fact. Were we declared in a recession under Bushes administratio? Yes
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And i fully understand what you are saying, but its a difference in your label and your being. One can call himself a fiscal consercative, but when his human side takes over and he wants to get re-elected tunes start to change. Am i right?
Yes you are correct, that in my opinion is why term limits are the answer.
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Yes you are correct, that in my opinion is why term limits are the answer.
I would totally welcome that, as well as campaign finance reform. Basically we took Rome's example and totally warped it out of shape
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But when you put "Obama" to the title..Its only fair to counter with "Bush" Correct?
Time to wake up and ask for a refund from your college Mal.
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Time to wake up and ask for a refund from your college Mal.
really...thats what i need to do.. ask for a refund from my college.. ?...where do you get this shit
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really...thats what i need to do.. ask for a refund from my college.. ?...where do you get this shit
Like i said - show me who you get your info from, the past statements they made from 2002 - the present date, how said statements have held up to economic reality - and if you can - great, i will concede to the "official economists" if they are even 1/10th as accurate as the sources I post for my arguments.
Even 1/10th is all it takes.
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Nearly 2 years to the date and:
Blame Bush
Blame the Chinks
Blame the Voters
Blame the Media
Blame UFO's
Blame Palin and Odonnell
etc etc etc. ::) ::)
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Nearly 2 years to the date and:
Blame Bush
Blame the Chinks
Blame the Voters
Blame the Media
Blame UFO's
Blame Palin and Odonnell
etc etc etc. ::) ::)
lmao...you gettin owned in the other thread and then you just come here and type bullshit...funny
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lmao...you gettin owned in the other thread and then you just come here and type bullshit...funny
Owned? Ha ha ha ha - bro you don't even know the amount of increase in the national debt in the last two years.
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The real question you sheep should be asking is when will the government take responsibility?
The state we are in has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with who the president is or was before him. It has ZERO to do with democrats or republicans, it's WE the people's fault for putting these assholes there in the first place.
It's our fault, the people of the United States of America, for putting these guys in office and letting them ruin the country. You think posting this crap on a message board is doing anything? It's not doing shit except to shine yourself off.
If you aren't out there making a difference you are part of the problem.
You guys never learn.
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The real question you sheep should be asking is when will the government take responsibility?
The state we are in has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with who the president is or was before him. It has ZERO to do with democrats or republicans, it's WE the people's fault for putting these assholes there in the first place.
It's our fault, the people of the United States of America, for putting these guys in office and letting them ruin the country. You think posting this crap on a message board is doing anything? It's not doing shit except to shine yourself off.
If you aren't out there making a difference you are part of the problem.
You guys never learn.
Like doing what? I live in the Bronx NY, and dems will win and choose to vote for the person promising more free shit every single time. anyone even remotely suggesting we curtail the spending spree is shouted down and sent on his way.
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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
Almost two years in people are still blaming Bush.
So my question is, at what point is it valid to start blaming the Democrats and Obama since the Dems took over the Legislative Branch in 2006 and the WH in 2008?
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LOL!! It will never happen.
In fact, if Republicans are able to pass bills that result in reducing the deficit, government expense and jump starts the economy, you will see Dems and Obama taking credit for it. They will try to get the public to forget that the economy has gone from bad to WORST since Dems took over both houses and the presidency.
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LOL!! It will never happen.
In fact, if Republicans are able to pass bills that result in reducing the deficit, government expense and jump starts the economy, you will see Dems and Obama taking credit for it. They will try to get the public to forget that the economy has gone from bad to WORST since Dems took over both houses and the presidency.
Like what.. CBO... said Tax Cuts for rich will not stimulate economy.,.. rich save
But Extending UE benefits will Stimulate the Econ because people with no money cant afford to save.
CBO (non partisan) said UE benefits extensions is the best way to go.
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Like what.. CBO... said Tax Cuts for rich will not stimulate economy.,.. rich save
But Extending UE benefits will Stimulate the Econ because people with no money cant afford to save.
CBO (non partisan) said UE benefits extensions is the best way to go.
Ha ha ha - are you kidding. Then why not fire everyone and put the whole nation on UE?
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Ha ha ha - are you kidding. Then why not fire everyone and put the whole nation on UE?
So you have done the study and know more than the CBO? Whats your suggestion. What research have you done?
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So you have done the study and know more than the CBO? Whats your suggestion. What research have you done?
The CBO also said Bamacare was going to cut the deficit and got that wrong too until they had to later correct themselves too.
The CBO also said Medicare was going to cost 9 times less than it does today.
Watch this and PLEASE GET A CLUE
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The CBO also said Bamacare was going to cut the deficit and got that wrong too until they had to later correct themselves too.
The CBO also said Medicare was going to cost 9 times less than it does today.
Watch this and PLEASE GET A CLUE
You tell me in your words.. what would work better and why
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1. Re-industrialize and end all green and enovironmental bs. Going Green = Going Broke
2. Repeal ObamaCare immediately and set up a catarophic plan for younger workers who don't need a cadillac plan.
3. Deport as many illegals as possible as they are a downward pressure on wages and kill the states tax burden wise.
4. End the bailouts to the big banks and actually help out mainstreet by allowing people to keep their owen money.
5. Repeal the corporate income tax.
6. Tax amnesty for all people re-patrioting money overseas and used here for investment.
7. Redo the tax code to promote savings and investment vs consumption and spending
Etc ec. Etc etc.
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1. Re-industrialize and end all green and enovironmental bs. Going Green = Going Broke
2. Repeal ObamaCare immediately and set up a catarophic plan for younger workers who don't need a cadillac plan.
3. Deport as many illegals as possible as they are a downward pressure on wages and kill the states tax burden wise.
4. End the bailouts to the big banks and actually help out mainstreet by allowing people to keep their owen money.
5. Repeal the corporate income tax.
6. Tax amnesty for all people re-patrioting money overseas and used here for investment.
7. Redo the tax code to promote savings and investment vs consumption and spending
Etc ec. Etc etc.
YOu think saving stimulates the economy?..um ok..Get a clue. Econ aint your strong suit..
Ill go over the rest shortly.. just had to point that out
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YOu think saving stimulates the economy?..um ok..Get a clue. Econ aint your strong suit..
Ill go over the rest shortly.. just had to point that out
We tried spending bro - look where it got us?
That is the joy of being a far left lib - when one spending plan fails you can always say "we did not spend enough" in order to justify more bogus spending schemes.
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We tried spending bro - look where it got us?
That is the joy of being a far left lib - when one spending plan fails you can always say "we did not spend enough" in order to justify more bogus spending schemes.
How does saving stimulate the economy.
And dont be dumb.. when you say "we tried spending" you are saying as a govt.. where most of it went to defense.
Im talking about individuals... look at the 80s... we spent our asses off.. Prob is before we spend and baught things made here.. now we spend on shit made in China,,
see, youre main issue is, you look at 1 factor of a situation to get a talking point. While Doers consider all factors to get a solution
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How does saving stimulate the economy.
And dont be dumb.. when you say "we tried spending" you are saying as a govt.. where most of it went to defense.
Im talking about individuals... look at the 80s... we spent our asses off.. Prob is before we spend and baught things made here.. now we spend on shit made in China,,
see, youre main issue is, you look at 1 factor of a situation to get a talking point. While Doers consider all factors to get a solution
Reagan cut taxes and regulation and had a strong dollar policy to rip out damaging energy and core inflation from the economy.
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Reagan cut taxes and regulation and had a strong dollar policy to rip out damaging energy and core inflation from the economy.
wow.. just wow.
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wow.. just wow.
Wow what? When he entered office the top rate was 70%
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QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
Almost two years in people are still blaming Bush.
So my question is, at what point is it valid to start blaming the Democrats and Obama since the Dems took over the Legislative Branch in 2006 and the WH in 2008?
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Unemployment may be close to 12% by that time.
Its at least 12% now even using BLS's own numbers.
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Wow what? When he entered office the top rate was 70%
Even Reagan Raised Taxes
Robert Shapiro, 02.03.10, 12:01 AM EST
Obama is following the paths of former presidents when it comes to balancing the budget.
It's budget week in Washington, and the $1.27 trillion deficit projected for fiscal 2011 should remind us that deep recessions, especially when accompanied by large spending increases, produce outsized deficits for years to come. The federal government has been down this road recently before, first under Ronald Reagan and then under George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The way those presidents responded can help us chart the likely path of fiscal policy for the next half decade.
Presidential budgets are always a little overwhelming. Barack Obama's, for example, has a surprising number of proposals usually seen in Republican budgets--new tax breaks for business, including ending capital gains tax on new investments in small businesses; a freeze on large areas of discretionary spending; termination of some 120 small federal programs; and increases in military spending. Less unexpected, Obama's budget brings back proposals from past Democratic plans, including big spending increases for higher education, infrastructure and research and development; tax hikes for big banks, big oil and big coal; and higher tax rates for high-income people (by letting the Bush tax cuts for top earners expire and by cutting back carried interest).
More notable is Obama's emerging commitment to long-term fiscal restraint. This seems evident not only in his proposals for spending cuts, but also in his calls to bring back the "pay-as-you-go" rules, which make Congress pay for any new initiative with spending cuts or tax increases, and create a bipartisan commission to reduce entitlement spending. Senate Republicans moved to block both initiatives, even though pay-as-you-go was a key element of the Clinton-GOP budget entente that briefly balanced the budget and every GOP president since Reagan has supported entitlement commissions. But these early skirmishes are unlikely to alter the long-term path of fiscal policy.
The realities of global capital markets will largely set this path--much as they have in the past. When these markets see a long string of unsupportable deficits, they respond by pushing up long-term interest rates and driving down the value of the currency. Both of these developments have already begun to unfold, which may help explain Obama's new concern for fiscal probity. But the prospect of a sinking economy will make almost any president shift course, and when they do, the budget and the politics surrounding it provide a limited number of pathways.
The first part of that path entails raising higher revenues. Everyone remembers Reagan's 1981 tax cuts. His admirers are less likely to tout the tax hikes he accepted as the 1981 recession and his own tax cuts began to unravel his long-term fiscal picture--a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes enacted in 1983 and higher energy taxes in 1984. A decade later, when a serious recession and higher spending began to upend the fiscal outlook again, the first President Bush similarly raised taxes on higher-income people in 1991; Bill Clinton doubled down and raised them again in 1993.
Presidents facing the prospect that unending deficits will undo their economic legacies also cut spending in the only places that make a big difference, starting with defense. Reagan is remembered, again, for his defense buildup--but his big increases in Pentagon spending ended by 1985. Similarly, the first President Bush increased the military to fight the first Gulf War. But before he left office Pentagon spending was slowing sharply with the end of the Cold War, and Clinton followed by cashing in on the peace dividend.
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Total cumulative tax cuts = $275.3B, Total cumulative tax increases = $132.7B. Total Net Tax Cuts = $142.6B. "And You shall Know the Truth..."
Read All Comments (7)Post a CommentHere we are again, with a sharply deteriorating deficit outlook driven by a deep recession and the steps taken to alleviate it, as well as by higher wartime spending. Over the next several years, President Obama will follow the same path as Reagan, Bush-41 and Clinton--because global capital markets will leave him and us no alternative. We will raise substantial new revenues, whether it's justified by climate change (by auctioning greenhouse gas permits or applying carbon-based taxes) or the looming insolvency of Medicare and Medicaid. Defense spending will also slow significantly, presumably as we wind down our military engagement in Iraq and, one hopes, Afghanistan as well.
The Reagan and Clinton strategies also slowed new spending in the other huge and growing area of the federal budget, health care; and Obama has pushed reforms to do the same. But his task here will be much harder, because his own agenda also promises to reduce the numbers of uninsured at considerable cost. Yet, if you want to gauge the President's current priorities, given the choice of broader health care coverage and the prospects for the economy, look to last week's State of the Union address, when he devoted 40 minutes to the economy and less than five minutes to health care. For this president, much like his predecessors, the economic outlook for average Americans ultimately trumps just about everything else.
Robert Shapiro is the chairman of Sonecon, an economic advisory firm in Washington, D.C. He was principal economic advisor to Bill Clinton in his 1991-92 campaign, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under President Clinton, and an economic advisor to the Obama campaign and presidential transition. Dan Gerstein will return for his regular column next week.
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He was principal economic advisor to Bill Clinton in his 1991-92 campaign, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under President Clinton, and an economic advisor to the Obama campaign and presidential transition. Dan Gerstein will return for his regular column next week.
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He was principal economic advisor to Bill Clinton in his 1991-92 campaign, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under President Clinton, and an economic advisor to the Obama campaign and presidential transition. Dan Gerstein will return for his regular column next week.
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so regan did or didnt raise taxes?
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He raisedsome, but drastically cut others and followed a strong dollar policy that destroyed inflation from the carter days. he also cut a ton of regs and the RESULTS speak for themselves.
Again - results matter - not to obama sycophants like yourself of course, but to most people.
So long as Dear Messiah gives a teleprompter speech without a serious flub, that is the same as a positive policy outcome to the dupes who still support this horrible admn.
So long as Obama says something, that is the same as a policy to you clowns, regardless of what is s actually doing when no one is looking.
I can't wait till 2012 question: "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
Ha ha ha ha-
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He raisedsome, but drastically cut others and followed a strong dollar policy that destroyed inflation from the carter days. he also cut a ton of regs and the RESULTS speak for themselves.
Again - results matter - not to obama sycophants like yourself of course, but to most people.
So long as Dear Messiah gives a teleprompter speech without a serious flub, that is the same as a positive policy outcome to the dupes who still support this horrible admn.
So long as Obama says something, that is the same as a policy to you clowns, regardless of what is s actually doing when no one is looking.
I can't wait till 2012 question: "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
Ha ha ha ha-
You obviously dont know your history
On a per dollar scale.. did he raise more than he cut?... yes or no?
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So where has the trillions of dollars Obama has spent since taking office gotten us? Unemployment is still over 10%, underemployment's at 20%, gas is $5/gallon. What has it gotten us, besides putting us trillions more in debt? I know the far-left is hard-headed beyond belief but it's time to admit that their reckless spending has done nothing to fix the economy.
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So where has the trillions of dollars Obama has spent since taking office gotten us? Unemployment is still over 10%, underemployment's at 20%, gas is $5/gallon. What has it gotten us, besides putting us trillions more in debt? I know the far-left is hard-headed beyond belief but it's time to admit that their reckless spending has done nothing to fix the economy.
Its still Bushs' fault.
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So where has the trillions of dollars Obama has spent since taking office gotten us? Unemployment is still over 10%, underemployment's at 20%, gas is $5/gallon. What has it gotten us, besides putting us trillions more in debt? I know the far-left is hard-headed beyond belief but it's time to admit that their reckless spending has done nothing to fix the economy.
My main question is "where would you cut" Defense, Social security, or MEdicare.
Tarp is done and paid for.. these spending programs make up for majority of budget.. so where do the cuts come from?
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You can go right across the board, defense and entitlements. It's a shame it will never happen as the Dems are too busy trying to get us to invade Libya and too far indebted to the unions and other entitlement-sucking slime.
They through a bitchfit when the Repubs wanted a mere $60 billion in cuts. $60 billion and they can't even accept that. It's sad.
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My main question is "where would you cut" Defense, Social security, or MEdicare.
Tarp is done and paid for.. these spending programs make up for majority of budget.. so where do the cuts come from?
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Yeah - jack up the budget by TRILLIONS in 2 years, and then complain about 60 billion two years later.
Fucking brilliant.
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You can go right across the board, defense and entitlements. It's a shame it will never happen as the Dems are too busy trying to get us to invade Libya and too far indebted to the unions and other entitlement-sucking slime.
They through a bitchfit when the Repubs wanted a mere $60 billion in cuts. $60 billion and they can't even accept that. It's sad.
Cut entitlements during a Recession.. yeah real popular. Cut Defense spending during 2 wars.. yeah that would go over.. See all this shit sounds good but when it comes down to it, the shit aint black and white.. would you agree?
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We're heading right down the tubes like the failed European welfare states that Obama idolizes. Countries floating debt loads in excess of 100% GDP and this guy wants to emulate them.
Cut entitlements during a Recession.. yeah real popular. Cut Defense spending during 2 wars.. yeah that would go over.. See all this shit sounds good but when it comes down to it, the shit aint black and white.. would you agree?
Yeah, because spending more on entitlements and defense during this recession has worked wonders. Eventually we're going to have to bite the bullet. I'd rather it gets done now instead of when this country completely collapses. But that's just me.
Iraq is done and Afghanistan isn't a war. We won that war years ago. AQ has been decimated. Instead we've taken to playing king maker and are trying to prop up a corrupt and useless regime that isn't really any different from their Taliban buddies.
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Cut entitlements during a Recession.. yeah real popular. Cut Defense spending during 2 wars.. yeah that would go over.. See all this shit sounds good but when it comes down to it, the shit aint black and white.. would you agree?
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More spin and polishing turds. Between Stim Bill and MadoffCare alone - they completely jacked up spending.
Bro - don't you ever get sick of spinning and defending the indefensible?
We have a growing 1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT and this C%^t in the WH i threatening a shutdown over 60 Billion?
Are you really that fucking stupid to not see what is going on? Oh wait . . . . .
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We're heading right down the tubes like the failed European welfare states that Obama idolizes. Countries floating debt loads in excess of 100% GDP and this guy wants to emulate them.
Yeah, because spending more on entitlements and defense during this recession has worked wonders. Eventually we're going to have to bite the bullet. I'd rather it gets done now instead of when this country completely collapses. But that's just me.
Iraq is done and Afghanistan isn't a war. We won that war years ago. AQ has been decimated. Instead we've taken to playing king maker and are trying to prop up a corrupt and useless regime that isn't really any different from their Taliban buddies.
But what im saying is, We got epic job loss (this was before obama 333) a shit economy (we were in a recession before obama 333) So to cut entitlements, like unemployment that people have paid into for years would be fuckin awful.. then what would 333 say.. you were already crying when he said something about cutting heat.
then we got the wild terroist shit goin on.. and you want to cut defense spending.. not gonna fly with anyone.. and that just being real.
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But what im saying is, We got epic job loss (this was before obama 333) a shit economy (we were in a recession before obama 333) So to cut entitlements, like unemployment that people have paid into for years would be fuckin awful.. then what would 333 say.. you were already crying when he said something about cutting heat.
then we got the wild terroist shit goin on.. and you want to cut defense spending.. not gonna fly with anyone.. and that just being real.
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I have said from day 1 cutr across the board - the damage being done by spending like we are is as bad as any other threat we face.
Do you even realize we are borrowing .43 for every dollar we spend?
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I have said from day 1 cutr across the board - the damage being done by spending like we are is as bad as any other threat we face.
Do you even realize we are borrowing .43 for every dollar we spend?
Ok.. this why i make fun of your goofy ass..
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So Mal, if cuts aren't an option for you then what is? Spending even more?
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So Mal, if cuts aren't an option for you then what is? Spending even more?
Borrowing .43 cents of every dollar we spend means nothing to these economic maddoffs who support Obama. There is a crude phrase that described this which I won't use cause I will get banned, but lets leave it at this - its a kamikaze mission to keep spending like this.
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Bump for three months later and three additional horrible jobs results.