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Former Heavyweight boxing contender Ike Ibeabuchi says the UFC is laughable and that he d love Brock Lesnar or any of the others come share a cell with him and have a real fight in there!
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he thinks a boxer could handle a 290 pound ncaa champ wrestler in a cell?
lol
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Yeh!! Its on ESB!
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he thinks a boxer could handle a 290 pound ncaa champ wrestler in a cell?
lol
Ike is a complete nutcase. It would be an interesting fight to say the least
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he thinks a boxer could handle a 290 pound ncaa champ wrestler in a cell?
lol
Oh STFU already, didn't a 50 year old boxer knock out Tim Sylvia in 15 seconds ?
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Oh STFU already, didn't a 50 year old boxer knock out Tim Sylvia in 15 seconds ?
read ...my...response
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read ...my...response
Your mancrush was turning his back running away and curling up in to the fetal position after getting grazed with one punch. Don't compare that pussy to an animal like Ike.
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Your mancrush was turning his back running away and curling up in to the fetal position after getting grazed with one punch. Don't compare that pussy to an animal like Ike.
Hahahahaha!@! Quoted for truth!!!
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We shall see - would be interesting if he can back up his claim.
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We shall see - would be interesting if he can back up his claim.
I still stand firm with my claim that someone like Tyson would KTFO any MMA fighter in a fight, I think half these jiu jitsu idiots don't get it, it wouldn't get to the ground , because from someone like Tyson a jab is all it takes to put them in a coma...
Brock proved this in his fight against Carwin, when Carwin barely connected Brock started running the other way, lol
imagine what someone of Tyson's power and speed would do. With a 4oz glove.. LOL
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Oh STFU already, didn't a 50 year old boxer knock out Tim Sylvia in 15 seconds ?
Sylvia sucks though and that same boxer got chocked out by Kimbo.
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Sylvia sucks though and that same boxer got chocked out by Kimbo.
fair enough but picture Tyson at his prime in 4oz gloves... MMA would be banned because he would murder his first opponent with his hands.
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if anyone knows anything about Ike Ibeabuchi they would know he was one of the heaviest punchers in the world and his chin was made out of steel
He went toe to toe with David Tua and took everything he had and beat him, and Tua's punching power was immense
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fair enough but picture Tyson at his prime in 4oz gloves... MMA would be banned because he would murder his first opponent with his hands.
I agree with Tysons power. Look what he could do with 16 oz gloves. My god with 4 oz gloves he would put alot of people out to pasture. One thing Mike could do if he ever wanted to make some money would come out of retirement and fight an MMA fight. I heard he has lost almost all the weight he has gained. Even if it was against a semi-known guy that fight would bring in millions of dollars. People would just love to see Mikes punching power. Maybe put in the ring with Tank Abbott or Kimbo. My god the money would be flowing.
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In all fairness Fedor thinks the UFC is a joke as well and said he had no respect for it.
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Fedor is a great fighter, hes explosive, fast, great on the ground, and punches hard.
Shame he never got into the UFC, he would of exposed alot of those wannabes
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Why people even argue about this ???
standing = Ike
ground = Brock
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Your mancrush was turning his back running away and curling up in to the fetal position after getting grazed with one punch. Don't compare that pussy to an animal like Ike.
damn x2. waiting teh swede's response.
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fair enough but picture Tyson at his prime in 4oz gloves... MMA would be banned because he would murder his first opponent with his hands.
Yah but Carwin is a NCAA wrestling champion, not easy to take down. In a small area Tyson would have the edge but do you really think he could stop a Lesner takedown? I doubt it. True all Tyson needs to do is land a jab and he could KO anyone but if Brock is close enough to Jab, Tyson is close enough to Takedown. I am not a Brock fan BTW, but I think a guy like a prime Mark Coleman in a NHB fight would have the edge over a guy like Tyson but in a confined space Tyson would certainly have the edge IMO.
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Yah but Carwin is a NCAA wrestling champion, not easy to take down. In a small area Tyson would have the edge but do you really think he could stop a Lesner takedown? I doubt it. True all Tyson needs to do is land a jab and he could KO anyone but if Brock is close enough to Jab, Tyson is close enough to Takedown. I am not a Brock fan BTW, but I think a guy like a prime Mark Coleman in a NHB fight would have the edge over a guy like Tyson but in a confined space Tyson would certainly have the edge IMO.
We can argue about this till the cows come home, either way it's something I would love to see just so we can put this question to rest!!! LOL, and I'm not talking about a golden gloves caliber boxer (and that is already elite) I'm talking Tyson, Foreman caliber
man I would pay $200 to see that fight!!!!
If it was K-1 rules, that would bring teh funny!!! LOL
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fair enough but picture Tyson at his prime in 4oz gloves... MMA would be banned because he would murder his first opponent with his hands.
Hahahah definitely. I can only imagine what someone's face would look like with 4 oz gloves after a few combos from a Tyson in his prime.
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Hahahah definitely. I can only imagine what someone's face would look like with 4 oz gloves after a few combos from a Tyson in his prime.
Remember what Shamrock looked like after Tito turned him into mr.potato head ?!!? much worse then that!!!
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Why do people even argue this? Boxing rules=boxer wins. MMA rules=MMA fighter wins. Swimming meet=swimmer wins. Chess match=chess player wins. Do I need to go on?
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What about no rules in a prison cell?
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What about no rules in a prison cell?
Titus by lighter fuel!
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What about no rules in a prison cell?
No rules, MMA fighter wins. Way too many tools and if Tyson didn't get an immediate knockout, the fight hits the floor, its over for Big Mike. Why does everyone forget that MMA started as no-rules, no weight classes, no ref, street fighting in Brazil, where the cities are some of the most violent in the world? Rules were added to keep it from being made illegal, but there were no rules in the beginning. Being in a cell works against the boxer. Can't back up, can't make space, can get pinned up against the wall=MMA wins. The boxers only ways of winning against an MMA guy are 1)The one shot knockout. Very hard to do as has been proven over and over and over..... 2)The ability for an EXTREMELY talented boxer to stick and move until he can land a knockout shot. Also very hard to do, and impossible in a limited space. A small cell leaves no room to back up and no room to move side to side. Easy take down arena.
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You're forgetting two very important factors...1) Most MMA fighters aren't known for their 'chins' and 2) A pro boxer hitting you with no gloves is very different then a pro boxer hitting you with 16oz gloves.. you take the gloves off and it's sleepy time, A pro boxer is definetly fast and accurate enough to pop someone shooting in for a takedown and just because the MMA guy can get a single or maybe a double, doesn't mean the boxer won't get up as their wrestling for control and pop him with a power hook.
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You're forgetting two very important factors...1) Most MMA fighters aren't known for their 'chins' and 2) A pro boxer hitting you with no gloves is very different then a pro boxer hitting you with 16oz gloves.. you take the gloves off and it's sleepy time, A pro boxer is definetly fast and accurate enough to pop someone shooting in for a takedown and just because the MMA guy can get a single or maybe a double, doesn't mean the boxer won't get up as their wrestling for control and pop him with a power hook.
I'm not forgetting anything. 1) People keep saying that, but it simply isn't true. Its just a lot harder to eat a shot from a 4oz glove than from a 16. You said so yourself in part 2. 2) I would much rather get hit with a bare fist than with MMA gloves. The gloves protect your hands enough that you can tee off with full power shots with no worries about your hands. With my 4oz gel shocks on, I can punch full power into a brick wall without hurting my hands. Its still hard to land that shot on a guy that can try to take you down. Big Mike had killer power, he still didn't knock everyone out in the first round. That's because people rarely stand still and let you take their head off. Most knockouts in boxing are after a guy is hurt and isn't defending his head anymore. Its very hard to land a shot on the button on a moving strong opponent. Against a good MMA guy, you have a fraction of a second to land a good enough shot to take the guy out before he takes you down. And he doesn't even have to get the take down. He just has to get close enough to clinch, and then it's all MMA territory. Again, this has all been debated many times before. In all out no rules fighting MMA has always been and will always be king.
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Joined a boxing club yesterday - UFC, hold your breath.
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boxer would win 100% of the time in a boxing match, no question
given mma rules, i would say a top level boxer would beat a top level mma fighter 80% of the time.
Alot of the twinks on here have no idea how dangerous a world class boxer's hands are. 4oz gloves or barenuckle = jabs will put you to sleep. Carwin hit brock with a jab as he shot for a takedown, and i guarantee any of the top boxers today would have put him to sleep with that jab.
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With my 4oz gel shocks on, I can punch full power into a brick wall without hurting my hands.
Haha, you must be a beast!!
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boxer would win 100% of the time in a boxing match, no question
given mma rules, i would say a top level boxer would beat a top level mma fighter 80% of the time.
Alot of the twinks on here have no idea how dangerous a world class boxer's hands are. 4oz gloves or barenuckle = jabs will put you to sleep. Carwin hit brock with a jab as he shot for a takedown, and i guarantee any of the top boxers today would have put him to sleep with that jab.
Good to see we have the worlds foremost expert on all MMA on getbig. You've got it broken down to percentages and guarantees! You really know your it all bro. Awesome.
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Good to see we have the worlds foremost expert on all MMA on getbig. You've got it broken down to percentages and guarantees! You really know your it all bro. Awesome.
Have you forgotten Sylvia vs. Mercer?
or how about Couture vs. Toney here in about a month?
See who is talking then.
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Have you forgotten Sylvia vs. Mercer?
or how about Couture vs. Toney here in about a month?
See who is talking then.
Sylvia said he was going to represent MMA striking in that fight. He was dumb enough to go toe to toe with a medalist boxer. He's retarded and that hardly counts.
We'll see how Couture vs. Toney goes.
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Sylvia said he was going to represent MMA striking in that fight. He was dumb enough to go toe to toe with a medalist boxer. He's retarded and that hardly counts.
We'll see how Couture vs. Toney goes.
first thing sylvia did in that fight was throw a leg kick... then he got KO'd about 5 seconds later.
He was ranked #2 in the world at the time that happened.
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first thing sylvia did in that fight was throw a leg kick... then he got KO'd about 5 seconds later.
He was ranked #2 in the world at the time that happened.
Tim Sylvia is a retard. Anything standing is retarded with a boxer as great as Mercer.
When Couture destroys James Toney I'll open up this thread and laugh SON. >:(
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Haha, you must be a beast!!
Yeah genius, that post was about what a beast I am, not about how much the gloves protect your hands.
given mma rules, i would say a top level boxer would beat a top level mma fighter 80% of the time.
Alot of the twinks on here have no idea how dangerous a world class boxer's hands are. 4oz gloves or barenuckle = jabs will put you to sleep. Carwin hit brock with a jab as he shot for a takedown, and i guarantee any of the top boxers today would have put him to sleep with that jab.
Given that I actually train in both, I think I might know more about it than you do. I also like both sports, and don't automatically rip on one of them constantly like you do MMA. What happened, a guy in a tapout shirt fuck your girl in a men's room while you were waiting in line at the bar to buy her a drink? A top-level boxer has no more chance of beating an MMA guy under MMA rules than the MMA guy has of beating the boxer under boxing rules. Its so simple to understand I can't believe anyone still debates it.
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A top-level boxer has no more chance of beating an MMA guy under MMA rules than the MMA guy has of beating the boxer under boxing rules. Its so simple to understand I can't believe anyone still debates it.
Totally disagree
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Totally disagree
You and I have had this discussion before and I think we will have to agree to disagree. Until they can find a way to entice world class boxers into the lose/lose situation of entering MMA, all we can do is look at the history of MMA. All strikers in MMA now train in grappling too, if only to help ward off being taken down. A pure boxer that has no knowledge of grappling is going to be taken down and beaten on the ground 99 times out of a 100. Before everyone cross-trained striking and grappling, grapplers ruled the day. Strikers had no chance whatsoever.
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You and I have had this discussion before and I think we will have to agree to disagree. Until they can find a way to entice world class boxers into the lose/lose situation of entering MMA, all we can do is look at the history of MMA. All strikers in MMA now train in grappling too, if only to help ward off being taken down. A pure boxer that has no knowledge of grappling is going to be taken down and beaten on the ground 99 times out of a 100. Before everyone cross-trained striking and grappling, grapplers ruled the day. Strikers had no chance whatsoever.
Do you think James Toney has any chance against Couture ?
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How about this: take Tyson in his prime and clone him and call him Tyson2. Give Tyson2 D1 Wrestling, Mundial level BJJ, Muy Thai... who wins? All else being equal the MMA fighter wins simply because they have more tools. Stop with the silly arguments and inane comparisons.
I also want to address this issue of MMA fighters having weak chins. Friends, we all have weak chins. If you've ever been hit on the button something special happens to you. It's not like getting knocked out by the sheer force of a punch to the cheek bone. It's much different. That little spot on the chin is a very special place. And boxers know that and have generations of training to defend that particular spot that it's just second nature.
Boxers compared to an MMA fighter have a very limited target area and they know about the chin. That's why boxers hold the hands the way they do, and tuck in their chin the way they do. And why it's so much harder to hit the button if you are a boxer. You hold your hands like that in an MMA match you will get taken down at will and have you legs kicked and kneed to death.
Unless you are a Neanderthal, it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or an MMA fighter or a bouncer, take it just right on the chin and it's lights out.
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Do you think James Toney has any chance against Couture ?
Anyone with great punching skills has some chance, but its a very small one.
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Anyone with great punching skills has some chance, but its a very small one.
Wassn't Couture a boxing champion in the military
How about this: take Tyson in his prime and clone him and call him Tyson2. Give Tyson2 D1 Wrestling, Mundial level BJJ, Muy Thai... who wins? All else being equal the MMA fighter wins simply because they have more tools. Stop with the silly arguments and inane comparisons.
I also want to address this issue of MMA fighters having weak chins. Friends, we all have weak chins. If you've ever been hit on the button something special happens to you. It's not like getting knocked out by the sheer force of a punch to the cheek bone. It's much different. That little spot on the chin is a very special place. And boxers know that and have generations of training to defend that particular spot that it's just second nature.
Boxers compared to an MMA fighter have a very limited target area and they know about the chin. That's why boxers hold the hands the way they do, and tuck in their chin the way they do. And why it's so much harder to hit the button if you are a boxer. You hold your hands like that in an MMA match you will get taken down at will and have you legs kicked and kneed to death.
Unless you are a Neanderthal, it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or an MMA fighter or a bouncer, take it just right on the chin and it's lights out.
Agree
No one here knows my friend Craig Kukuk but some diehard Gracie fans might. To this day I don't anyone in his weight class or above that could have beaten him if he competed. He had superior boxing skills and to this day hit harder than anyone I have seen in person except for Tyson. And being the first American to achieve a black belt in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu I have a feeling his ground game is unreal. I know he was very good in high school wrestling so he had that natural talent and strength. Even Rickson said he would never want to fight Craig. I heard way back at the very beginning Craig was offered a great deal of money to compete but his wife said absolutely not., Plus I heard he hurt his lower back and didn't want to aggravate it more. I know this is all just speculation but I it is my opinion after seeing the guys he would have had to fight. He weighed about 195 to 210 usually
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No one here knows my friend Craig Kukuk but some diehard Gracie fans might.
I have an old GJJ instructional tape with him on it. His ground game looks solid on there, but of course, he isn't rolling, just explaining techniques.
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That little spot on the chin is a very special place. And boxers know that and have generations of training to defend that particular spot that it's just second nature.
Boxers compared to an MMA fighter have a very limited target area and they know about the chin. That's why boxers hold the hands the way they do, and tuck in their chin the way they do. And why it's so much harder to hit the button if you are a boxer. You hold your hands like that in an MMA match you will get taken down at will and have you legs kicked and kneed to death.
Unless you are a Neanderthal, it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or an MMA fighter or a bouncer, take it just right on the chin and it's lights out.
lol what nonsense
Not all boxers chins are the same, someone like a Oliver Mccall could take just about every shot a man could hit with him; chin or not. The difference in capability to take a shot partly is natural but the consistent training and sparring in the gym develops their chin to withstand more punishment than the average person.
Mexican fighters in general have good sturdy chins because their style of boxing is to go in and brawl with their opponent, if they had a chin like Brock Lesnar it just wouldnt work.
Also their recovery time is much faster, if they get hit hard on the chin they simply shake it off.
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and to say James Toney represents boxing is absolutely laughable.
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James Toney is a 43 year old man who slurs his words nowadays, he probably even has brain damage.
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Hes a blown up middleweight (160lbs) who went up to the heavyweight division (216lbs) eating too many Mcdonald cheeseburgers. Standing at 5'9 inches in height.
3) Toney also happens to be a counter puncher so his style really wont work well against a grappler anyway.
4) He's washed up, his prime was in the 90's when he was in the middleweight, supermiddle weight divisions
People are looking way too into this
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and to say James Toney represents boxing is absolutely laughable.
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James Toney is a 43 year old man who slurs his words nowadays, he probably even has brain damage.
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Hes a blown up middleweight (160lbs) who went up to the heavyweight division (216lbs) eating too many Mcdonald cheeseburgers. Standing at 5'9 inches in height.
3) Toney also happens to be a counter puncher so his style really wont work well against a grappler anyway.
4) He's washed up, his prime was in the 90's when he was in the middleweight, supermiddle weight divisions
People are looking way too into this
Couture is 47. If Toney doesn't represent boxing, what style would you say he represents?
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Couture is 47. If Toney doesn't represent boxing, what style would you say he represents?
James Toney has a unique counter punching style which in my opinion is ineffective against Grapplers. But someone more aggressive like a prime Evander Holyfield would be much more effective, hes a natural heavyweight for starters.
Im not sure if the MMA world sees this as a boxing vs MMA standoff but the boxing world sure as hell doesnt.
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You can't train a chin .
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You can't train a chin .
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like Liddell has proven over and over again..
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You can't train a chin .
Cutler did.
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lol what nonsense
Not all boxers chins are the same, someone like a Oliver Mccall could take just about every shot a man could hit with him; chin or not. The difference in capability to take a shot partly is natural but the consistent training and sparring in the gym develops their chin to withstand more punishment than the average person.
Mexican fighters in general have good sturdy chins because their style of boxing is to go in and brawl with their opponent, if they had a chin like Brock Lesnar it just wouldnt work.
Also their recovery time is much faster, if they get hit hard on the chin they simply shake it off.
Of course everyone is different by degrees. For instance, I have a bit of an over bite so when I take it flush on the button I'm out cold. It's only happend 3 times in 15 years over countless fights (formal/informal). But that's because I make it a point to protect my chin and would rather get taken down. But if you're tired and your mouth is open and a right hook or a Chuck Norris inspired round house finds it's way to your chin you're going out. Of course you have freaks so if you aren't going down with a hit to the button you're not going down for any other blow as well. But if you're worn out enough and that jaw is hanging open even Oliver is going down.
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Fedor is a great fighter, hes explosive, fast, great on the ground, and punches hard.
Shame he never got into the UFC, he would of exposed alot of those wannabes
He lost to the #10 ranked fighter in the world ::)
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Boxing = the sport of punching.
MMA = the sport of fighting.
MMA = more exciting and a lot closer to what a street fight would be.
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Boxing = the sport of punching.
MMA = the sport of fighting.
MMA = more exciting and a lot closer to what a street fight would be.
Obviously you have never been in a street fight
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You're telling me boxing more closely resembles a street fight than MMA?
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Im not sure if the MMA world sees this as a boxing vs MMA standoff but the boxing world sure as hell doesnt.
Just because he isn't the best boxer in the world doesn't mean that he doesn't represent boxing. For Christ sake, he's a boxer. What else does he represent? I could say the same thing about Couture. He's old, he's past his prime, he doesn't represent MMA to the MMA world no matter what boxers think. Its stupid. James Toney is a boxer. When he fights, he will fight as a boxer. When a Gracie fights, they represent BJJ, whether they are the best in the world, or old, or out of shape, they are still BJJ fighters. You can't have it both ways. If Toney wins, you're gonna say it proves boxing is better, but if he loses, well he wasn't the best boxer for the job.
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He lost to the #10 ranked fighter in the world ::)
Yeah, the rankings mean everything. That's why Lesnar is #1 in the world.
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He lost to the #10 ranked fighter in the world ::)
Did you just watch the fight?
You REALLY think those 2 are better fighters than Fedor?
Go back and watch any of Fedor's prime fights, and tell me that he's less skilled than those two jackasses that just had their bout.
Watching that fight was painful.
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Did you just watch the fight?
You REALLY think those 2 are better fighters than Fedor?
Go back and watch any of Fedor's prime fights, and tell me that he's less skilled than those two jackasses that just had their bout.
Watching that fight was painful.
This is the sport of "fighting" not the sport of who is the most "skilled". If Fedor got in there with any of those 280lbs beats, he would be pummeled. That is why he chose to stay out of the UFC and continue to fight cans.
He is no longer the #1 ranked heavyweight. He is out of the P4P rankings. And, if he ever wants to regain the #1 status, he has no choice but the face the top guys.
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Yeah, the rankings mean everything. That's why Lesnar is #1 in the world.
They meant everything when Fedor was #1 ::)
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You're telling me boxing more closely resembles a street fight than MMA?
Not sure you have ever been in a streetfight if you are saying that, the second you go to the ground in England be prepared to have 6+ people stamp on you.
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This is the sport of "fighting" not the sport of who is the most "skilled". If Fedor got in there with any of those 280lbs beats, he would be pummeled. That is why he chose to stay out of the UFC and continue to fight cans.
He is no longer the #1 ranked heavyweight. He is out of the P4P rankings. And, if he ever wants to regain the #1 status, he has no choice but the face the top guys.
So you agree with me that those 2 are painful and sad to watch?
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If Fedor got in there with any of those 280lbs beats, he would be pummeled.
LAWL at this.
You mean the 2 "beasts", one who ran the fuck away from a striker and turtled in a corner, or the other one who gassed throwing punches in 1 round and then gave up when he got taken down in the 2nd?
Which "beast" are you referring to?
Look I get you like the UFC, but you cant sit there with a straight face and try and tell me those two are so fucking amazing. ::)
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Not sure you have ever been in a streetfight if you are saying that, the second you go to the ground in England be prepared to have 6+ people stamp on you.
What are those six people doing while the fight is still on the feet? They only jump in when it goes to the ground.
Here in Hawaii they just let the fight go. If someone jumps in then all hell breaks loose. We love our fights here but consider it very cowardly to jump on someone's back just because you're guy is losing. You can break it up if your buddy is taking a major beating but if you sneak up and false crack someone you're going to get mobbed.
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MMA-boxing arguments are so terrible.
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What are those six people doing while the fight is still on the feet? They only jump in when it goes to the ground.
Here in Hawaii they just let the fight go. If someone jumps in then all hell breaks loose. We love our fights here but consider it very cowardly to jump on someone's back just because you're guy is losing. You can break it up if your buddy is taking a major beating but if you sneak up and false crack someone you're going to get mobbed.
In a fight be prepared for all the guys "mates" to put the boot in if you go down, no such rules or etiquette here.
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Not sure you have ever been in a streetfight if you are saying that, the second you go to the ground in England be prepared to have 6+ people stamp on you.
Hahaaa, I just can see Mindspin pulling guard in a street fight ;D and getting soccer kick in the head about 1000 times , this guy has not clue LOL .
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Unless you are 100% sure that its a one on one fight then you should forget going for any sort of take down or grapple hold
You never know if a friend of his could come up behind you and kick you in the head, thats life threatening.
Best bet if you are facing more than one person is striking
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This is the sport of "fighting" not the sport of who is the most "skilled". If Fedor got in there with any of those 280lbs beats, he would be pummeled. That is why he chose to stay out of the UFC and continue to fight cans.
He is no longer the #1 ranked heavyweight. He is out of the P4P rankings. And, if he ever wants to regain the #1 status, he has no choice but the face the top guys.
wow sometimes your blindness and ignorance is hard to ignore. Fedor would destroy Carwin or Lesnar. Literally destroy! I like Lesnar but Fedor in that same position as Carwin was would have literally put Lesnar in the hospital. Fedor hits harder than both of them and he is lighter. And please don't say how hard Carwin hits, he showed how hard he hits in the first round when he was at his strongest. Jeez sometimes I think you take drugs when you post.
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wow sometimes your blindness and ignorance is hard to ignore. Fedor would destroy Carwin or Lesnar. Literally destroy! I like Lesnar but Fedor in that same position as Carwin was would have literally put Lesnar in the hospital. Fedor hits harder than both of them and he is lighter. And please don't say how hard Carwin hits, he showed how hard he hits in the first round when he was at his strongest. Jeez sometimes I think you take drugs when you post.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've been thinking this for years..
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wow sometimes your blindness and ignorance is hard to ignore. Fedor would destroy Carwin or Lesnar. Literally destroy! I like Lesnar but Fedor in that same position as Carwin was would have literally put Lesnar in the hospital. Fedor hits harder than both of them and he is lighter. And please don't say how hard Carwin hits, he showed how hard he hits in the first round when he was at his strongest. Jeez sometimes I think you take drugs when you post.
Where have you heard that Fedor hits harder then Carwin. Everything i have heard says that Carwin is one of the hardest punchers period and he gave it his all while pounding Brock in the face and coudlnt knock him out. I dont think that Fedor could have knocked Brock out either, giving he was in the same position.
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Where have you heard that Fedor hits harder then Carwin. Everything i have heard says that Carwin is one of the hardest punchers period and he gave it his all while pounding Brock in the face and coudlnt knock him out. I dont think that Fedor could have knocked Brock out either, giving he was in the same position.
Everyone that's fought him has said he is the hardest hitter they have faced.. everyone including former UFC champ tim sylvia who called him a 'stud' and said he's 'never been hit so hard' in his entire life.
Listen to 0:30 secs in.
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Where have you heard that Fedor hits harder then Carwin. Everything i have heard says that Carwin is one of the hardest punchers period and he gave it his all while pounding Brock in the face and coudlnt knock him out. I dont think that Fedor could have knocked Brock out either, giving he was in the same position.
He may not have knocked him out, but having him in the fetal position in the corner, Fedor would have found a way to take him out...
Seriously, you think if Fedor was in the ring and Brock was turtled on the floor Fedor wouldnt finish him? Wheather it was a submission, whatever, Fedor has the skills to change up his game plan.
Not just sit there pounding away and praying he goes lights out. That was a pathetic fight. ::)
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Here, TYPICAL streetfight, imagine this guy had gone to the ground, he'd have the shit kicked out of him, clearly a trained boxer and dispatched them one by one
Again typical streetfight scenario, against 2 guys, had he gone down its game over for him, stays up and beats them in seconds, rather than rolling round for minutes and ending up in hospital with a head like a balloon.Maybe Mindspin has some kind of romantic scenario like the old west where the 2 duelers stand there alone and everyone watches.
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I'm not forgetting anything. 1) People keep saying that, but it simply isn't true. Its just a lot harder to eat a shot from a 4oz glove than from a 16. You said so yourself in part 2. 2) I would much rather get hit with a bare fist than with MMA gloves. The gloves protect your hands enough that you can tee off with full power shots with no worries about your hands. With my 4oz gel shocks on, I can punch full power into a brick wall without hurting my hands. Its still hard to land that shot on a guy that can try to take you down. Big Mike had killer power, he still didn't knock everyone out in the first round. That's because people rarely stand still and let you take their head off. Most knockouts in boxing are after a guy is hurt and isn't defending his head anymore. Its very hard to land a shot on the button on a moving strong opponent. Against a good MMA guy, you have a fraction of a second to land a good enough shot to take the guy out before he takes you down. And he doesn't even have to get the take down. He just has to get close enough to clinch, and then it's all MMA territory. Again, this has all been debated many times before. In all out no rules fighting MMA has always been and will always be king.
Why do you guys keep saying boxers use 16oz gloves. They use 8oz gloves.
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Here, TYPICAL streetfight, imagine this guy had gone to the ground, he'd have the shit kicked out of him, clearly a trained boxer and dispatched them one by one
Again typical streetfight scenario, against 2 guys, had he gone down its game over for him, stays up and beats them in seconds, rather than rolling round for minutes and ending up in hospital with a head like a balloon.Maybe Mindspin has some kind of romantic scenario like the old west where the 2 duelers stand there alone and everyone watches.
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Why the first guy didn't pull guard ???
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Watch the real fights that come out of Brazil. I don't know where people get the idea that BJJ guys just flop to the ground.
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Those are not typical street fights. In both cases one guy knows how to throw while the others are utterly clueless.
You should always avoid going to the ground in a street fight but sometimes you can't help it and if it's even matched chances are it will end up on the ground.
When I watch a boxing match so often when things start getting wild the fighters will clinch, which is what you should do. If you start running from punches you give your opponent the space to really lay one on you. So you close the distance and clinch. That's when the ref comes in and breaks it up and restarts the match. In a street fight there is no ref.
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Those are not typical street fights. In both cases one guy knows how to throw while the others are utterly clueless.
You should always avoid going to the ground in a street fight but sometimes you can't help it and if it's even matched chances are it will end up on the ground.
When I watch a boxing match so often when things start getting wild the fighters will clinch, which is what you should do. If you start running from punches you give your opponent the space to really lay one on you. So you close the distance and clinch. That's when the ref comes in and breaks it up and restarts the match. In a street fight there is no ref.
Pellius I love you man but there is not such a thing as a ''TYPICAL STREET FIGHT" .
Gotta Go To Work
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Pellius I love you man but there is not such a thing as a ''TYPICAL STREET FIGHT" .
Gotta Go To Work
You're right. But that those examples are exceptions. The average guy can't even throw a decent punch let alone lay guys out like that. Those two guys are no strangers to throwing punches. Considering the circumstances it was beautifully done.
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I'm not sure why many here assume that an MMA fighter would instantly pull guard in a street fight ::) I wouldn't pull guard in an MMA bout, let alone in some bar or parking lot. Most people have no idea how to fight and simply punching them in the face once ends the scuffle. If that doesn't work, a trained MMA fighter has the option to punch, elbow, knee & kick. And of course, you can always take someone down and G&P the shit out of them. I would bet 99% of people who find themselves on their back in a fight, would panic and end up giving their back.
Of course, in a street fight, soccer kicks, knee to the head, head-butts, 12-6 elbows, etc are all available. I firmly believe that a trained MMA fighter would do better in a street fight than a trained boxer.
Speaking of boxers, this is a great video:
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I'm not sure why many here assume that an MMA fighter would instantly pull guard in a street fight ::) I wouldn't pull guard in an MMA bout, let alone in some bar or parking lot. Most people have no idea how to fight and simply punching them in the face once ends the scuffle. If that doesn't work, a trained MMA fighter has the option to punch, elbow, knee & kick. And of course, you can always take someone down and G&P the shit out of them. I would bet 99% of people who find themselves on their back in a fight, would panic and end up giving their back.
Of course, in a street fight, soccer kicks, knee to the head, head-butts, 12-6 elbows, etc are all available. I firmly believe that a trained MMA fighter would do better in a street fight than a trained boxer.
Speaking of boxers, this is a great video:
The whole philosophy of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu back int he 80's at least was that 99% of all street fights end up on the ground and that is when Gracie Jiu-jitsu is superior. Unless one of the fighters gets in that one knockout punch then very soon the fight will end up on the ground. A puncher has the advantage is EVERY fight at the beginning. It is once that other guy who has ground skills gets ahold of the puncher is when all things change. If a good puncher has a great defense and reactions and can avoid getting pulled to the ground he is going to kill the ground guy. My best friend growing up was a CIF wrestler and one of the best 191 lb wrestlers in school. Got a full ride to San Jose State for football and bascially we were the enforcers our friends called when they got beat up. We were the guys bouncers at every club we went to in the South bay would let us in without having to wait in line and ask us to help them if they needed it. And we did on several occassions. I remember one time these two guys wanted to fight us outside this club in Redondo. What was funny is how much they talked and kept talking about knowing Karate. The whole time we were walking forward while they kept backing up. We were trying to get close to them to grab them before they could kick us. We one of them said "we are black belt in" and before he could say Karate we grabbed them and beat the shit out of them.
The funny thing is I only used Gracie Jiu Jitsu once in a fight at Don Jose's in Torrance. A very popular club. This guy beat my friend up inside the club. The bouncers started to go over to him to throw him out. I ran between them and as I went by said something like "I got it". I got to the guy and he hit me 3 times clean as shit in the face. you literally could hear people gasp. It was quiet. I stood there in awe this guy whacked me 3 times and I didn't move. Well his fasce changed big time when I didn't move and I grabbed him and took him down. I did what I did in the photo below with Relson. I just crossed my hands over his throat and grabbed his collar and lean forward. He was out in a second or two. So everything quiets down and a few minutes later a guy comes up to me to tell me the guy was in the restroon and he shit his pants.
Okay those are two of my tough guy stories. i have always been a lover over a fighter. Luckily though I was good at both ;)
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Boxing = the sport of punching.
MMA = the sport of fighting.
MMA = more exciting and a lot closer to what a street fight would be.
You think 2 guys rolling around on the floor is more exciting than 2 guys trading punches!!! haha!
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A lot of people on here have no idea what they re talking about,especially Mindspin. Noworries knows his stuff the guys seen it and done it not spoken about what "might happen if............"
This is how a street fight ends up, i know its in a ring but its basically a streetfight.
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You think 2 guys rolling around on the floor is more exciting than 2 guys trading punches!!! haha!
Well, judging from how fast MMA is growing, and how quickly boxing has declined, I would say most people agree that an MMA fight is more exciting. BTW, did you see UFC 116 this weekend? MMA is not just two guys rolling around ::)
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Yes i did, i like MMA but will always prefer boxing.
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The whole philosophy of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu back int he 80's at least was that 99% of all street fights end up on the ground and that is when Gracie Jiu-jitsu is superior. Unless one of the fighters gets in that one knockout punch then very soon the fight will end up on the ground. A puncher has the advantage is EVERY fight at the beginning. It is once that other guy who has ground skills gets ahold of the puncher is when all things change. If a good puncher has a great defense and reactions and can avoid getting pulled to the ground he is going to kill the ground guy. My best friend growing up was a CIF wrestler and one of the best 191 lb wrestlers in school. Got a full ride to San Jose State for football and bascially we were the enforcers our friends called when they got beat up. We were the guys bouncers at every club we went to in the South bay would let us in without having to wait in line and ask us to help them if they needed it. And we did on several occassions. I remember one time these two guys wanted to fight us outside this club in Redondo. What was funny is how much they talked and kept talking about knowing Karate. The whole time we were walking forward while they kept backing up. We were trying to get close to them to grab them before they could kick us. We one of them said "we are black belt in" and before he could say Karate we grabbed them and beat the shit out of them.
The funny thing is I only used Gracie Jiu Jitsu once in a fight at Don Jose's in Torrance. A very popular club. This guy beat my friend up inside the club. The bouncers started to go over to him to throw him out. I ran between them and as I went by said something like "I got it". I got to the guy and he hit me 3 times clean as shit in the face. you literally could hear people gasp. It was quiet. I stood there in awe this guy whacked me 3 times and I didn't move. Well his fasce changed big time when I didn't move and I grabbed him and took him down. I did what I did in the photo below with Relson. I just crossed my hands over his throat and grabbed his collar and lean forward. He was out in a second or two. So everything quiets down and a few minutes later a guy comes up to me to tell me the guy was in the restroon and he shit his pants.
Okay those are two of my tough guy stories. i have always been a lover over a fighter. Luckily though I was good at both ;)
HAHAHA, Squadfather would have torn you apart for these madeup stories ;D
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Yes i did, i like MMA but will always prefer boxing. I understand your point but let me guarntee you next time someone like a Tyson comes round, and we re due a HW megastar in boxing, people will start caring again. Remember Tyson fights?Everyone would wtach him, even my old Gran!
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HAHAHA, Squadfather would have torn you apart for these madeup stories ;D
Noworries is one of the very few people here that DOESNT lie. i believe this guy theres somethign geniune about him he has nothing to prove to a bunch of people on a internet forum.
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love the bikini piks, no opinion on the rest, wonder when some 300 pound gym guy who benches 400 will get in UFC
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Well, judging from how fast MMA is growing, and how quickly boxing has declined, I would say most people agree that an MMA fight is more exciting. BTW, did you see UFC 116 this weekend? MMA is not just two guys rolling around ::)
If MMA is so big why the fuck are the paydays so small. The guy known as "The Situation" was just here last weekend to make an appearance at one of the pools here. Not sure which one. just to hang out and sign autographs he got paid more than 99% of every MMA fighter in the world. That includes bodybuilders too. Tell how boxing has declined except in your world. Without boxing there would be no UFC. If the UFC ended tommorrow boxing would still be around. Give it up already.
And can you explain this photo. How the hell do you do that to Dana White and still type. Please explain
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HAHAHA, Squadfather would have torn you apart for these madeup stories ;D
Well if I am going to lie I would do it when no one knows my name like you and 99% of the others on here do. Some of you know Craig Kukuk call him and ask him any of my stories especially since he was part of our "team". Call Kurt Morlock in Washington. See I don't need to hide anything or bullshit to seem like I have done something like you or others. You know my real name I give you names to verify. Make some calls. Come back, get on your knees and while you are crying telling me how sorry you are for thinking I lie I will be eating a bowl of Capn Crunch. Mindless has his own agenda on here. He gets 50% off ticket prices if he can continue to suck up to the UFC and Dana. So he posts every hour to make sure he doesn't lose that honor ;D
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Oh STFU already, didn't a 50 year old boxer knock out Tim Sylvia in 15 seconds ?
BOOM
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You're telling me boxing more closely resembles a street fight than MMA?
its pretty close. While MMA has kicks and other usable techniques, you cant "go to the ground" in a street fight because you're liable to get your skull kicked in by your opponents' buddies.
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its pretty close. While MMA has kicks and other usable techniques, you cant "go to the ground" in a street fight because you're liable to get your skull kicked in by your opponents' buddies.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH
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If MMA is so big why the fuck are the paydays so small. The guy known as "The Situation" was just here last weekend to make an appearance at one of the pools here. Not sure which one. just to hang out and sign autographs he got paid more than 99% of every MMA fighter in the world. That includes bodybuilders too. Tell how boxing has declined except in your world. Without boxing there would be no UFC. If the UFC ended tommorrow boxing would still be around. Give it up already.
And can you explain this photo. How the hell do you do that to Dana White and still type. Please explain
Exactly , I hear that shit all the time ,boxing is declining UFC is the fastest growing sport in the world ::)...
Vitali Klitschko made $25 mill in his last fight
Carwin made $40.000 ;D
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Well, judging from how fast MMA is growing, and how quickly boxing has declined, I would say most people agree that an MMA fight is more exciting. BTW, did you see UFC 116 this weekend? MMA is not just two guys rolling around ::)
Oh yeah! there was that one guy...he was running away , had the look of a fear stricken little girl on his face..then he ran against the cage and turtled up in the fetal position... what was his name again?
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didnt mike tyson try to train for mma back in pride a few years ago and gave up on it???
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I have a feeling Mindless considers this a real street fight where MMA is used extensively
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what uses more gas?? shoulder and bi workouts?? or full body workout back, hamstrings, quads, triceps biceps, shoulders, chest?? that pretty much is the difference between mma and boxing... thats why mma is scheduled 3-5 rounds, rather then boxings 12 rounds....more energy used in mma....
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what uses more gas?? shoulder and bi workouts?? or full body workout back, hamstrings, quads, triceps biceps, shoulders, chest?? that pretty much is the difference between mma and boxing... thats why mma is scheduled 3-5 rounds, rather then boxings 12 rounds....more energy used in mma....
This has got to be the most ignorant post ever on here!!! Throwing a punch uses calves, quads,hams, abs, back, shoulders and arms. Read about punch technique. Moron.
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This has got to be the most ignorant post ever on here!!! Throwing a punch uses calves, quads,hams, abs, back, shoulders and arms. Read about punch technique. Moron.
Also, staying on your toes and moving for 12 x 3 rds requires a bit more than "shoulders and bis".
I was always told vast majority of the power comes from the legs/hips. After a hard training session I used to feel as If I'd been run over by a truck the next day - virtually every muscle in my body would ache.
Btw, awesome troll job on this thread, Mr Avey.
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This has got to be the most ignorant post ever on here!!! Sucking a mans cock uses calves, quads,hams, abs, back, shoulders and arms. Read about my cock sucking technique. Moron.
Really??
The 'Guvnor' would not approve
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If anyone still thinks that a well trained MMA fighter would get destroyed by a street fighter, just watch some of Kimbo's fights in the UFC. This "streetfighter" was supposed to come in and run through all of the top MMA fighters. Unfortunately he was KOd by Seth Petruzeli. After that, he realized that just getting in there and "throwing hands" wasn't going to cut it. So he went to train MMA at one of the top camps. Unfortunately is was not enough and he was cut by the UFC...
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If anyone still thinks that a well trained MMA fighter would get destroyed by a street fighter, just watch some of Kimbo's fights in the UFC. This "streetfighter" was supposed to come in and run through all of the top MMA fighters. Unfortunately he was KOd by Seth Petruzeli. After that, he realized that just getting in there and "throwing hands" wasn't going to cut it. So he went to train MMA at one of the top camps. Unfortunately is was not enough and he was cut by the UFC...
What really throws a wrench in all your "best fighters are in the UFC" rants and Kimbo is the perfect example is that you do not have to be the good to be in the UFC. In fact you don't have to have any experience at all. And don't forget no rules on the streets advantage goes to a real good streetfighter who will do what it takes to win.
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what uses more gas?? shoulder and bi workouts?? or full body workout back, hamstrings, quads, triceps biceps, shoulders, chest?? that pretty much is the difference between mma and boxing... thats why mma is scheduled 3-5 rounds, rather then boxings 12 rounds....more energy used in mma....
nonsense
In MMA you can hug and rest, in boxing you are instantly separated in a clinch by the refferee. It takes more stamina in boxing
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If anyone still thinks that a well trained MMA fighter would get destroyed by a street fighter, just watch some of Kimbo's fights in the UFC. This "streetfighter" was supposed to come in and run through all of the top MMA fighters. Unfortunately he was KOd by Seth Petruzeli. After that, he realized that just getting in there and "throwing hands" wasn't going to cut it. So he went to train MMA at one of the top camps. Unfortunately is was not enough and he was cut by the UFC...
the only people who thought kimbo was going to run through all the top mma fighters are the same people who think brock lesnar truly is the #1 HW in the world.
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If anyone still thinks that a well trained MMA fighter would get destroyed by a street fighter, just watch some of Kimbo's fights in the UFC. This "streetfighter" was supposed to come in and run through all of the top MMA fighters. Unfortunately he was KOd by Seth Petruzeli. After that, he realized that just getting in there and "throwing hands" wasn't going to cut it. So he went to train MMA at one of the top camps. Unfortunately is was not enough and he was cut by the UFC...
A well trained MMA fighter ( 1 on 1 ) would destroy any street fighter 9 times out of 10 .
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A well trained MMA fighter ( 1 on 1 ) would destroy any street fighter 9 times out of 10 .
Yep. And so would a good boxer. The truth is, even the best street fighters have no real chance against a trained fighter.
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A well trained MMA fighter ( 1 on 1 ) would destroy any street fighter 9 times out of 10 .
Why this is not abundantly obvious is beyond me.
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Why this is not abundantly obvious is beyond me.
Cuz most people are morons.
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Cuz most people are morons.
QFT!
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Everyone that's fought him has said he is the hardest hitter they have faced.. everyone including former UFC champ tim sylvia who called him a 'stud' and said he's 'never been hit so hard' in his entire life.
Listen to 0:30 secs in.
that doesnt prove a damn thing other then Fedor hits hard
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He may not have knocked him out, but having him in the fetal position in the corner, Fedor would have found a way to take him out...
Seriously, you think if Fedor was in the ring and Brock was turtled on the floor Fedor wouldnt finish him? Wheather it was a submission, whatever, Fedor has the skills to change up his game plan.
Not just sit there pounding away and praying he goes lights out. That was a pathetic fight. ::)
I definitely agree that if Fedor had put Brock in the same position he would have found a way to end it then and there.
I just dont know if Fedor could knock Brock out if Carwin coudlnt.
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Fedor wouldn't be able to get Brock in that position.
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Fedor wouldn't be able to get Brock in that position.
How do you know this ???
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How do you know this ???
Obviously I don't "know" this, but in my opinion, a 280 lbs Division 1 wrestler with all of the athletic prowess that Brock has is going to be difficult for anyone to put on his back. Carwin had the best chance because he matched Brock in size, he had the wrestling and sick power.
I do agree though, if Fedor had gotten on top of Lesnar, he would have probably found a way to finish the fight.
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Thats the trouble with you mindspin you think bigger is better and thats that. You re one of those people that thinks if a guy benches 500lbs hes automatically a tough guy,who was that bodybuilder that said "i bench 500lbs, i can kick anyones ass" - thats the mindset you have.
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Thats the trouble with you mindspin you think bigger is better and thats that. You re one of those people that thinks if a guy benches 500lbs hes automatically a tough guy,who was that bodybuilder that said "i bench 500lbs, i can kick anyones ass" - thats the mindset you have.
You've obviously not read many of my posts. I have dozens of threads on here stating the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. Here is a perfect example http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=331608.0
There are countless more.
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Yep. And so would a good boxer. The truth is, even the best street fighters have no real chance against a trained fighter.
X's 300!
Unless you ask a juiced up meat head ;D