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August 11, 2010
Overwhelming majority oppose mosque near Ground Zero
Posted: August 11th, 2010 01:02 PM ET
www.cnn.com
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(CNN) - A proposed mosque to be built two blocks from the World Trade Center has little support nationwide, a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll suggests.
According to the new survey out Wednesday, nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the controversial plan to build the mosque just blocks away from the solemn site in lower Manhattan while just 29 percent favor the construction.
Full results [pdf]
Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans while 82 percent of Republicans disapprove. Meanwhile, 70 percent of independents said they are against the proposal.
The poll also showed opposition did not vary widely by age.
"Support for the controversial project is slightly higher among younger Americans than older Americans, but even among those under the age of 50, six in ten oppose the plan," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
Plans to build the $100 million, 13-story 'Cordoba House' three blocks from the site of the attacks on September 11, 2001 have sparked an emotional debate throughout the city. The developer, Sharif El-Gamal, describes the project as an "Islamic community center" that will include a 500-seat performing arts center, a lecture hall, an exhibition space, a swimming pool, a gym, a culinary school, a restaurant and a prayer space for Muslims.
Full results (pdf)
Filed under: CNN Polls • CNN poll
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/11/overwhelming-majority-oppose-mosque-near-ground-zero/
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But according to Blacken, 46% of people in Manhattan approve! ::)
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But according to Blacken, 46% of people in Manhattan approve! ::)
As do 240, Obama, Bloomberg, KC, Cuomo, and Obama.
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This whole thing is surreal. The liberal hypocrisy is predictable.
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This whole thing is surreal. The liberal hypocrisy is predictable.
Actually, I think "Liberals" have shown far more consistency than conservatives.
Isn't the republican conservative mantra all about religion, freedom, and restricting government interference in our lives. Yet here we have a huge portion of Republicans saying Americans shouldn't be free to build a house of worship. That's the hypocrisy I see. Where is the liberal hypocrisy you speak of?
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polls don't run our lives
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Actually, based on what you just wrote, I think that stupidity is a much more prevalent trait amongst liberals. You guys are consistently stupid. Bravo!
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Actually, I think "Liberals" have shown far more consistency than conservatives.
Isn't the republican conservative mantra all about religion, freedom, and restricting government interference in our lives. Yet here we have a huge portion of Republicans saying Americans shouldn't be free to build a house of worship. That's the hypocrisy I see. Where is the liberal hypocrisy you speak of?
I think anyone who wants to murder "evangelicals" for sharing their faith, but is a staunch supporter of this nonsense is a liberal hypocrite. You wouldn't know anyone like that, would you?
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Actually, I think "Liberals" have shown far more consistency than conservatives.
Isn't the republican conservative mantra all about religion, freedom, and restricting government interference in our lives. Yet here we have a huge portion of Republicans saying Americans shouldn't be free to build a house of worship. That's the hypocrisy I see. Where is the liberal hypocrisy you speak of?
LOL what would they be doing if this was a christian chuch that wanted to put in up the area of a religious based attack on muslims?
LMAO
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i havent followed this......but is there anything illegal going on...and is it unconstitutional. If not, legally :/
also...Constitution trumps popular vote
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Anything illegal? Hard to tell at this point, but there is some "strange" shit going on with the financing. Take Soho Properties for instance, the owners were waiters a few years ago and now they are paying millions in cash for properties. TCO's or CO's none to be found, something is seriously fucked up with this whole thing.
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if they're shitbirds, just outlaw all religious orgs from building in that area. problem solved.
things like "no mosques should be allowed in the USA" like one genius said today...
that's unconstitutional.
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if they're shitbirds, just outlaw all religious orgs from building in that area. problem solved.
things like "no mosques should be allowed in the USA" like one genius said today...
that's unconstitutional.
How many times do I have to ask how that is unconstitutional?
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public opinion should have zero impact on certain religions being allowed to build.
allow them all, or ban them all.
picking and choosing based upon motive of the group is a slippery slope. Suppose obama decides "his polls show" the majority of americans dislike conservative gatherings.
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public opinion should have zero impact on certain religions being allowed to build.
allow them all, or ban them all.
picking and choosing based upon motive of the group is a slippery slope. Suppose obama decides "his polls show" the majority of americans dislike conservative gatherings.
Well that would be unconstitutional.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "
No where in there does it say anyone has a constitutional right to build a church, mosque......
The government just can't stop you from worshiping, do you have to have a mosque to worship? Not anymore than I need a church to worship.
Look at the historical context of the name of the mosque, and when they are planning on scheduling the ground breaking.
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i havent followed this......but is there anything illegal going on...and is it unconstitutional. If not, legally :/
also...Constitution trumps popular vote
Yes, Obama is paying for the imam to go on a world conquest tour to promote the mosque.
What ever happened to liberal outrage of Church/State?
I guess the left wants there to be no separation of mosque and state.
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I think anyone who wants to murder "evangelicals" for sharing their faith, but is a staunch supporter of this nonsense is a liberal hypocrite. You wouldn't know anyone like that, would you?
Nope, ...but I know a few people, myself included who would be willing to murder evangelicals if I had to, in order to preserve my life and sanity. I don't consider it hypocritical in the least. One is free to choose to not enter the mosque. In the case of the evangelicals I referred, I was not free to walk away, as they followed and harassed me, and refused to stop to the point, where the confrontation almost became physical. Would I kick the crap out of one of them if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! Would I kill one if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! You can hide behind your bible, and your labels of Christian, conservative etc, all you want, but your willful twisting of my words demonstrates the quality of your character or lack thereof.
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Well that would be unconstitutional.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "
No where in there does it say anyone has a constitutional right to build a church, mosque......
The government just can't stop you from worshiping, do you have to have a mosque to worship? Not anymore than I need a church to worship.
Look at the historical context of the name of the mosque, and when they are planning on scheduling the ground breaking.
What im saying is...if zoning is ok and safety is ok...who is to say "you cant build a mosque right here" ...like it will close the door on other freedoms...See this is the thing...i dont give a shit about what looks good and bad and all that...im only worried about protecting my freedoms...and when one thing is blocked...it opens the door for other things to be blocked. What if i want to build a church someday and polls show that "people" dont want my church built..thats peoples vote trumping the constitution...it dosent work like that
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Yes, Obama is paying for the imam to go on a world conquest tour to promote the mosque.
link please...
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Pataki was on the CNN last night talking about this. One of the points he made is this mosque is a public charity and subject to mandatory funding disclosure laws in NY, which they have not complied with.
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Pataki was on the CNN last night talking about this. One of the points he made is this mosque is a public charity and subject to mandatory funding disclosure laws in NY, which they have not complied with.
if there is anything illegal..then can it..as we should do a CHURCH in the same way...
People fuckin kill me...We are land of the free...and we also want to limit the freedoms of a certian few...freaking insane
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What im saying is...if zoning is ok and safety is ok...who is to say "you cant build a mosque right here" ...like it will close the door on other freedoms...See this is the thing...i dont give a shit about what looks good and bad and all that...im only worried about protecting my freedoms...and when one thing is blocked...it opens the door for other things to be blocked. What if i want to build a church someday and polls show that "people" dont want my church built..thats peoples vote trumping the constitution...it dosent work like that
While on a strict techincal point you may be correct, its still a crappy thing for the muslims to do if their aim is to promte peace and harmony amongst different peoples. Its like them pissing on peoples' graves and then wondering why they are despised.
Additionally, I see this situation like I do the Westboro Bapitist people who protest soldier funerals by showing up with provacative signs. Muslims who insist on such an offensive insult like this should not be surprised when they are held in the same regard as we do the Westboro Baptist mob.
Just because you may have a legal right to do something, does not make it the right thing to do in the overall scheme of things. If these muslims truly wanted to promote peace and moderation, placing this mess at WTC would be the last place to do it.
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What im saying is...if zoning is ok and safety is ok...who is to say "you cant build a mosque right here" ...like it will close the door on other freedoms...See this is the thing...i dont give a shit about what looks good and bad and all that...im only worried about protecting my freedoms...and when one thing is blocked...it opens the door for other things to be blocked. What if i want to build a church someday and polls show that "people" dont want my church built..thats peoples vote trumping the constitution...it dosent work like that
The only way it is unconstitutional is if the government tells you can't worship whatever god you choose, or make you join the "Church of America" that the government runs.
But in the big picture of things, like I posted, there is some wacky shit going on with the financing of this thing. Where will this lead, if I had to guess the money trail leads to the Saudi's.
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Nope, ...but I know a few people, myself included who would be willing to murder evangelicals if I had to, in order to preserve my life and sanity. I don't consider it hypocritical in the least. One is free to choose to not enter the mosque. In the case of the evangelicals I referred, I was not free to walk away, as they followed and harassed me, and refused to stop to the point, where the confrontation almost became physical. Would I kick the crap out of one of them if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! Would I kill one if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! You can hide behind your bible, and your labels of Christian, conservative etc, all you want, but your willful twisting of my words demonstrates the quality of your character or lack thereof.
Listen Twisted Sister, I didn't say anything about the Bible, Christians, conservatives, etc. And I won't waste my time posting all of your quotes again. Everyone who regularly posts on this board knows what you have said and how sick you are. I couldn't give a rip what you think about my character, etc. Only one of us insulted a dead person's mother on this board.
And yes, you are a hypocrite of the highest order. But this thread isn't about you. Or me.
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link please...
I already have a thread on it and its confirmed by the State Department.
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if there is anything illegal..then can it..as we should do a CHURCH in the same way...
People fuckin kill me...We are land of the free...and we also want to limit the freedoms of a certian few...freaking insane
They're apparently not complying with NY law.
This thing just crosses the line in so many ways.
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While on a strict techincal point you may be correct,
Additionally, I see this situation like I do the Westboro Bapitist people who protest soldier funerals by showing up with provacative signs. Muslims who insist on such an offensive insult like this should not be surprised when they are held in the same regard as we do the Westboro Baptist mob.
Just because you may have a legal right to do something, does not make it the right thing to do in the overall scheme of things. If these muslims truly wanted to promote peace and moderation, placing this mess at WTC would be the last place to do it.
but shouldnt we be strict...because when we start bluring the line...well we set precedents that can further be blurred
and the christian thing is a good point...those assholes are one sect of christians...who have it fucked up...we should treat muslims the same way
one crazy sect isnt the voice of all muslims and all muslims shouldnt be blamed for them...as you shouldnt be blamed for everything someone from the bronx does...
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Actually, I think "Liberals" have shown far more consistency than conservatives.
Isn't the republican conservative mantra all about religion, freedom, and restricting government interference in our lives. Yet here we have a huge portion of Republicans saying Americans shouldn't be free to build a house of worship. That's the hypocrisy I see. Where is the liberal hypocrisy you speak of?
Many people are missing the true arguments; this is not about freedom of religion. The argument is that these individuals who are building this mosque are a political entity, not a religious. This is a group that supports Sharia law, which has nothing to do with religious expression.
Questions to ask:
*Of everywhere to build this, why build it next to ground zero? Was this the only land available? Come on
*Why schedule the opening of the mosque on 9/11? Really? This isn't a means of slapping Americans in the face but you're opening the doors on 9/11?
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Greg Gutfeld of Fox News Channel and The Daily Gut has proposed the best response yet to Park51, a.k.a. Cordoba House, the 13-story “community center” and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero: “I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/242916/greg-gutfelds-gay-bar-stephanie-gutmann
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Many people are missing the true arguments; this is not about freedom of religion. The argument is that these individuals who are building this mosque are a political entity, not a religious. This is a group that supports Sharia law, which has nothing to do with religious expression.
Questions to ask:
*Of everywhere to build this, why build it next to ground zero? Was this the only land available? Come on
*Why schedule the opening of the mosque on 9/11? Really? This isn't a means of slapping Americans in the face but you're opening the doors on 9/11?
Agree. Good points. Good questions.
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but shouldnt we be strict...because when we start bluring the line...well we set precedents that can further be blurred
and the christian thing is a good point...those assholes are one sect of christians...who have it fucked up...we should treat muslims the same way
one crazy sect isnt the voice of all muslims and all muslims shouldnt be blamed for them...as you shouldnt be blamed for everything someone from the bronx does...
The problem is that this Imam said we are responsible for 9/11 and his wife said this place will be used to convert people, etc etc.
Legally they may have a right to do this, but I still think its a really crappy thing to do.
Let's say we are next door neighbors and one of you relatives was killed by a member of the klan. I then proceed to fly a confederate flag outside the house daily and dress my dog in a white sheet to run around the yard.
While it may be my legal right to do that, it still is wrong on a moral, human, and common sense basis. Additionally, what if I then told you my flying the conferate flag was to promote historical significance of the Civil War or some nonsense like that and then acted indignant when you were not happy with me?
I see this as muslims exploiting a raw situation and disingeniously acting surprised that people are pissed off.
Patterson gave them a clear opportunity to demonstrate good faith and they refused which says everything I need to know about this situation.
My plan to spill pigs blood on the site is still on. They want to insult me, fine, I will return the favor in kind.
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either you allow any religion to build there, or none.
if they don't meet the legal requirements, they can't build. It's simple.
I'm referring to all the comments about any specific religion.
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Agree. Good points. Good questions.
but if its not illegal...that ground isnt anti muslim or something...and just because the people who blew it up beleived in islam dosent damn the whole of islam...slave masters were christians...did blacks reject christianity...come on.,,,and im sure you wouldnt be opposed to a church being placed there...
What if there was a church built on the oklahoma city building site....it was bombed by a christian man...would you have a problem with that...absoutley not
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either you allow any religion to build there, or none.
if they don't meet the legal requirements, they can't build. It's simple.
I'm referring to all the comments about any specific religion.
Fine, like I said, if the muslims push this obvious insult and provocation, they should not be surprised when the overwelhming amount of people hold them in the same regard that we do the Westboro Baptist freaks.
Additionally, these muslims pofs should not say a word about the gay bar going next door or when someone opens a piggly wiggly on the other side.
I also think a good idea is to bury a dead pig in the cement like the Red Sox did to Yankee Stadium and then send a pic after the place is completed.
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but if its not illegal...that ground isnt anti muslim or something...and just because the people who blew it up beleived in islam dosent damn the whole of islam...slave masters were christians...did blacks reject christianity...come on.,,,and im sure you wouldnt be opposed to a church being placed there...
What if there was a church built on the oklahoma city building site....it was bombed by a christian man...would you have a problem with that...absoutley not
That is the most bogus analogy I hear all the time. Show me where McVeigh claimed the bible and christianity, or any sect thereof, as his inspiration for bombing the building.
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but if its not illegal...that ground isnt anti muslim or something...and just because the people who blew it up beleived in islam dosent damn the whole of islam...slave masters were christians...did blacks reject christianity...come on.,,,and im sure you wouldnt be opposed to a church being placed there...
What if there was a church built on the oklahoma city building site....it was bombed by a christian man...would you have a problem with that...absoutley not
Your hypotheticals are incomplete. For example, regarding the OKC bombing, it would need to be a Christian religion that actively teaches jihad, believes federal workers are the da debil, carried out numerous attacks against federal workers killing hundreds and thousands, their members blow up the federal building, the leader of their group says they basically deserved to be slaughtered, the leader then tries to build his "Christian" church right near the sight, with an opening to coincide with the anniversary of the bombing, with unknown funding sources totalling nearly $100 million.
Yeah, I'd have a problem with that.
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Anything illegal? Hard to tell at this point, but there is some "strange" shit going on with the financing. Take Soho Properties for instance, the owners were waiters a few years ago and now they are paying millions in cash for properties. TCO's or CO's none to be found, something is seriously fucked up with this whole thing.
Uh yeah sounds exactly the same way Donald Trump orchestrated his business deal in New York, New Jersey and elsewhere. No on knew where he got the money from, no bank loaned him anything, yet structures and construction continued...Was there a MOB tie?, foreign backers? Drug? What? who knows, but the structures were built...
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August 11, 2010
Overwhelming majority oppose mosque near Ground Zero
Posted: August 11th, 2010 01:02 PM ET
www.cnn.com
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(CNN) - A proposed mosque to be built two blocks from the World Trade Center has little support nationwide, a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll suggests.
According to the new survey out Wednesday, nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the controversial plan to build the mosque just blocks away from the solemn site in lower Manhattan while just 29 percent favor the construction.
Full results [pdf]
Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans while 82 percent of Republicans disapprove. Meanwhile, 70 percent of independents said they are against the proposal.
The poll also showed opposition did not vary widely by age.
"Support for the controversial project is slightly higher among younger Americans than older Americans, but even among those under the age of 50, six in ten oppose the plan," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
Plans to build the $100 million, 13-story 'Cordoba House' three blocks from the site of the attacks on September 11, 2001 have sparked an emotional debate throughout the city. The developer, Sharif El-Gamal, describes the project as an "Islamic community center" that will include a 500-seat performing arts center, a lecture hall, an exhibition space, a swimming pool, a gym, a culinary school, a restaurant and a prayer space for Muslims.
Full results (pdf)
Filed under: CNN Polls • CNN poll
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/11/overwhelming-majority-oppose-mosque-near-ground-zero/
Who in their right mind believes any polls conducted in or by america(ns)?
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Who in their right mind believes any polls conducted in or by america(ns)?
LOL where you from samson?
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Uh yeah sounds exactly the same way Donald Trump orchestrated his business deal in New York, New Jersey and elsewhere. No on knew where he got the money from, no bank loaned him anything, yet structures and construction continued...Was there a MOB tie?, foreign backers? Drug? What? who knows, but the structures were built...
So your actually comparing Trump to a couple of guys that were waiting tables a few years ago
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While on a strict techincal point you may be correct, its still a crappy thing for the muslims to do if their aim is to promte peace and harmony amongst different peoples. Its like them pissing on peoples' graves and then wondering why they are despised.
Additionally, I see this situation like I do the Westboro Bapitist people who protest soldier funerals by showing up with provacative signs. Muslims who insist on such an offensive insult like this should not be surprised when they are held in the same regard as we do the Westboro Baptist mob.
Just because you may have a legal right to do something, does not make it the right thing to do in the overall scheme of things. If these muslims truly wanted to promote peace and moderation, placing this mess at WTC would be the last place to do it.
What is the offensive insult you refer to? the desire to build a mosque and or cultural centre?
Also what is the mess you refer to? What mess.
I do not see the comparison between the desire to build a mosque and the Westboro Baptist Church.
Are the developers of the mosque picketing funerals? Are they getting in the faces of grieving relatives saying their deaths was god's punishment for {insert excuse of the day here}
Just about the only thing I can see that the developers of the mosque have in common with the Westboro Baptist Church, is that neither group appears to willingly embrace gays. But that's just an assumption on my part. You never know... the muslims might actually find their son to be neighbours at the gay bar a fun bunch to hang with, and they might find that 2nd floor non-alcoholic muslim friendly lounge a step towards greater cultural exchange and understanding. Stranger things have happened.
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What is the offensive insult you refer to? the desire to build a mosque and or cultural centre?
Also what is the mess you refer to? What mess.
LMAO that you dont see the intentionally provacative and hurtful move that this is even though many muslims do...
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Listen Twisted Sister, I didn't say anything about the Bible, Christians, conservatives, etc. And I won't waste my time posting all of your quotes again. Everyone who regularly posts on this board knows what you have said and how sick you are. I couldn't give a rip what you think about my character, etc. Only one of us insulted a dead person's mother on this board.
And yes, you are a hypocrite of the highest order. But this thread isn't about you. Or me.
Aren't we a little hot under the collar tonight. You really know how to lower the level of discourse don't you.
Why the need for an ad hom attack? Why the need for name calling? So why did you try to make it personal?
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What is the offensive insult you refer to? the desire to build a mosque and or cultural centre?
Also what is the mess you refer to? What mess.
I do not see the comparison between the desire to build a mosque and the Westboro Baptist Church.
Are the developers of the mosque picketing funerals? Are they getting in the faces of grieving relatives saying their deaths was god's punishment for {insert excuse of the day here}
Just about the only thing I can see that the developers of the mosque have in common with the Westboro Baptist Church, is that neither group appears to willingly embrace gays. But that's just an assumption on my part. You never know... the muslims might actually find their son to be neighbours at the gay bar a fun bunch to hang with, and they might find that 2nd floor non-alcoholic muslim friendly lounge a step towards greater cultural exchange and understanding. Stranger things have happened.
This mess is opening on 9/11/11 or 9/11/12 depending on when they can get moving on this. Why is that?
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Aren't we a little hot under the collar tonight. You really know how to lower the level of discourse don't you.
Why the need for an ad hom attack? Why the need for name calling? So why did you try to make it personal?
Yawn.
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The problem is that this Imam said we are responsible for 9/11 and his wife said this place will be used to convert people, etc etc.
Legally they may have a right to do this, but I still think its a really crappy thing to do.
Let's say we are next door neighbors and one of you relatives was killed by a member of the klan. I then proceed to fly a confederate flag outside the house daily and dress my dog in a white sheet to run around the yard.
While it may be my legal right to do that, it still is wrong on a moral, human, and common sense basis. Additionally, what if I then told you my flying the conferate flag was to promote historical significance of the Civil War or some nonsense like that and then acted indignant when you were not happy with me?
I see this as muslims exploiting a raw situation and disingeniously acting surprised that people are pissed off.
Patterson gave them a clear opportunity to demonstrate good faith and they refused which says everything I need to know about this situation.
My plan to spill pigs blood on the site is still on. They want to insult me, fine, I will return the favor in kind.
3 your analogies are so ridiculous and far removed from reality it is not even funny. You are continuing to try desperately to blame AN ENTIRE people for the action of an IMAGINARY few. You have yet to show me how 9 of the 19 imaginary hijackers are still alive and in their respective countries as well as SUING AMERICA today over the slanderous accusation of being called terrorist and committing the controlled demolition of the WTC.
Despite all, the cowards continue to make up excuses for this MOSQUE, all the while hiding behind claims of safety, policies, regulations, codes etc etc...mind you a homosexual wants to build a GAY BAR next to the mosque and no one says a word about it... I guess quality of life, neighborhood safety, transvestites, transsexuals and the like don't matter, but God forbid one kneels down and prays before God/Allah. Maybe it will be a good thing to build a gay bar next to the mosque...the Imam will show them the vileness of their ways and convert them. With further luck the converted Muslim will strap a box of explosives to himself and go into the bar and bring it and any patrons to an end.
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This mess is opening on 9/11/11 or 9/11/12 depending on when they can get moving on this. Why is that?
Who knows, who cares? This isn't NHL hockey... you don't just hang the date up in the rafters of the arena.
So because on Sept 11, 2001 a horrific crime took place, that date must be forever retired in the future?
How about we just take it off the calendar completely. We could go from Sept 10th to Sept 12th, but no more 9/11?
What of the opening date? If the imam is purposely trying to piss people off, why are you so pissed off?
Why have you given so much of your power over to this man? Is he your spiritual leader or something?
the opening day is what it is. You can choose to give it significance in your life, occupy your thoughts... yet another distraction from important issues that really do need to be taken care of, ...or you can own your own mind.
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3 your analogies are so ridiculous and far removed from reality it is not even funny. You are continuing to try desperately to blame AN ENTIRE people for the action of an IMAGINARY few. You have yet to show me how 9 of the 19 imaginary hijackers are still alive and in their respective countries as well as SUING AMERICA today over the slanderous accusation of being called terrorist and committing the controlled demolition of the WTC.
Despite all, the cowards continue to make up excuses for this MOSQUE, all the while hiding behind claims of safety, policies, regulations, codes etc etc...mind you a homosexual wants to build a GAY BAR next to the mosque and no one says a word about it... I guess quality of life, neighborhood safety, transvestites, transsexuals and the like don't matter, but God forbid one kneels down and prays before God/Allah. Maybe it will be a good thing to build a gay bar next to the mosque...the Imam will show them the vileness of their ways and convert them. With further luck the converted Muslim will strap a box of explosives to himself and go into the bar and bring it and any patrons to an end.
Oh wow, I never thought of that.
Samson, do you really advocate terrorism, and the termination of innocent lives?
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Oh wow, I never thought of that.
Samson, do you really advocate terrorism, and the termination of innocent lives?
Why don't you tell us, Samson, you dumb girl?
I've got to give you props for mucking up another thread involving Muslims with your idiocy and downright retardation, katwa. Congratulations, you truly are THE stupidest person on this forum. Can you give us a glimpse of what it's like to go through life as fucking stupid you are? Are simple tasks like tying your sneakers troublesome, SamsonEnterprises?
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Who knows, who cares? This isn't NHL hockey... you don't just hang the date up in the rafters of the arena.
So because on Sept 11, 2001 a horrific crime took place, that date must be forever retired in the future?
How about we just take it off the calendar completely. We could go from Sept 10th to Sept 12th, but no more 9/11?
What of the opening date? If the imam is purposely trying to piss people off, why are you so pissed off?
Why have you given so much of your power over to this man? Is he your spiritual leader or something?
the opening day is what it is. You can choose to give it significance in your life, occupy your thoughts... yet another distraction from important issues that really do need to be taken care of, ...or you can own your own mind.
You have to put the date into context of how Muslims function and live, the Muslim faith is one which places great importance on many dates and in the radical Muslim world 9/11 is considered a holy day of great celebration simply and only because of what they accomplished on that day.
There is no reason, none whatsoever for this mosque to be built where it is being built...see these bullet-points I placed in another thread below:
Things to consider:
*The mosque is being built in lower Manhattan which is primarily a business district, very few residence and of the very few people who live in this area, very few are Muslim.
*Most Muslims in the area live in Brooklyn. That's where the greatest concentration of Muslims are.
*If this Mosque is built by ground zero, those who would be the ones going to it, those that live in Brooklyn, would have to drive across the river, pass by numerous mosque that are already in use along the way, and fight downtown NY traffic just to get there.
*The Imam claims there is nowhere else to build this Mosque in a functional and prudent area, there is over 57.1million sqft of open available property on the island that would more than fill the requirements and further, would be in a place that is more suitable for those who would be attending.
This whole thing stinks to high bullshit to the highest level! Oh yeah, I forgot, we're supposed to be tolerant, even if it's to the point of being tolerant to the point of absolute absurd stupidity.
Americans need to wake up, this has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with religious tolerance. Thankfully, most Americans in NY understand this. Further, it's not an argument of left in right, in the city of NY, a very liberal population, a strong majority, very strong see this for what it is.
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Barack "HUssein" obama is fooling you yankee, like our french politics are fucking the french.
fuck liberal, sooner or latter pork will be banned from public school, you'll see mosquee everywhere, like in France, and islam will enter in the brain of your children put this sissi out of the white house.
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My original post stands--- Consistent stupidity; by all the liberals who participated in this thread.
I knew it wouldn't take long before there was an obtuse comparison to Christianity, absurd and totally misplaced hypotheticals about the Oklahoma City bombing and all kinds of justifications, rationalizations and typical liberal double speak.
How's this for comparisons? Suppose your mother and sister were raped and tortured (and later killed) by a radical sect of Jehovah's Witnesses that acted in the name of God. The place where the attack occurred is an unoccupied building about 1000 feet from where you live. The coverage of your mother and sisters rape and murder made international news and the horrific nature of the crime sparked outrage across the city and state in which you live. Now, in the name of religious tolerance, a high ranking Jehovah's witness cleric that supports the same radical mindset as the individuals that raped and killed your mother and sister wants to build an enormous Jehovah's Witness house of worship in the same building that acted as their coffin. The cleric won't reveal who is financing the building, even though he is required to do so by law and his excuse for using the particular piece of vacant property in question (Of which there are hundreds of other identically vacant properties across the city and state) is that it will create an interfaith dialogue and understanding between people of all backgrounds. Oh yeah, and for good measure, the cleric wants to open this house of worship on the anniversary of when your mother and sister were tortured and killed. -- Forget about the legality of the construction (which is questionable), the fact that Con Edison owns half the property, the fact that the cleric who wants to open the Mosque has refused to reveal who is providing the funding and that the cleric supports Sharia law and the same warped ideology as those who carried out 911--- Do any of you liberals have even a shred of pride or decency as human beings"? Under the guise of religious tolerance you are supporting and encouraging the construction of a victory trophy for those who applauded and participated in the largest act of mass murder this city/ country has ever seen.
This Mosque represents a vile desecration of the memory of those who lost their lives on 911 and a slap in the face to their surviving family members and to all Americans that don't support Islamic terrorism. I realize that most libs do support Islamic terrorism (or think that it's a creation of Fox News or Sarah Palin), so maybe I am talking over your heads a little bit.
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You have to put the date into context of how Muslims function and live, the Muslim faith is one which places great importance on many dates and in the radical Muslim world 9/11 is considered a holy day of great celebration simply and only because of what they accomplished on that day.
There is no reason, none whatsoever for this mosque to be built where it is being built...see these bullet-points I placed in another thread below:
location, location, location.
Perhaps it is as developers say... that this cultural centre is meant as an outreach to the non-muslim community. That being the case, being located in a high traffic area is important no?
It doesn't matter whether the radical muslim world revers the date 9/11. There are many dates embraced by radicals and extremists around the world. Are we to cease all activities on a particular day in effect making it a sacred holiday? That would really have an opposite intended effect now wouldn't it?
The big question that needs to be answered? Are they somehow breaking the law. If not... leave them alone.
If poor taste and insensitivity was a crime, I dare say half your politicians wouldn't be in office.
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It's astonishing the amount of excuses, blind support, etc... that liberals give to the muslim religion, a religion that if it had its ways would take away many of the freedoms these same dullards purport to be so important.....yet they are the very first ones to have a vapor lock over anything related to Christians, which were in the forefront of the civil rights movement, as an example. :-\
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Like I said , muslims have no one else to blame but themselves for the fact that most people think of them slightly better than maggots when they try to pull crap like this.
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Like I said , muslims have no one else to blame but themselves for the fact that most people think of them slightly better than maggots when they try to pull crap like this.
Good point, people claim that only 10% are terrorist/extremeist. So 150000000 are running around, so 10% of 1.5 billion isn't so small a number after all. As far as I can see the other 90% are doing a whole lot to put and end to this BS. Where the fuck are the other 90% now? Seems to me they are sitting on their asses letting someone else ( the USA ) do their fighting for them.
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Offer Rejected to Move Mosque Away From Ground Zero to 'State Property'
FOX News ^ | 8/11/2010 | FOX News
The developers of the so-called Ground Zero mosque rejected New York Gov. David Paterson’s offer to provide state property if the project is moved farther away from where the twin towers once stood.
“I think they would like to stay where they are, and I certainly respect that and I certainly respect them,” Paterson said. “Having said that, how much more foresighted would it have been if the imam who is the developer of the project had been willing to hear what we are actually talking about?”
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This is exactly what i am talking about. where is the tolerance and sensitivity of this supposed Imam to the families of the dead?
Screw these vermin, pigs blood spilled on the premises it will be.
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Nope, ...but I know a few people, myself included who would be willing to murder evangelicals if I had to, in order to preserve my life and sanity. I don't consider it hypocritical in the least. One is free to choose to not enter the mosque. In the case of the evangelicals I referred, I was not free to walk away, as they followed and harassed me, and refused to stop to the point, where the confrontation almost became physical. Would I kick the crap out of one of them if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! Would I kill one if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! You can hide behind your bible, and your labels of Christian, conservative etc, all you want, but your willful twisting of my words demonstrates the quality of your character or lack thereof.
you weren't free to walk away and felt you may have had the need to become physical or even kill them to protect yourself? so it was an unlawful restraint or kidnapping situation then. did you call the police?
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you weren't free to walk away and felt you may have had the need to become physical or even kill them to protect yourself? so it was an unlawful restraint or kidnapping situation then. did you call the police?
With quotes like that, it's hilarious how hypocritical this Muslim c*nt is. Oh wait, she's a Muslim so she can preach murder and intolerance and then chastise and criticize others for disagreeing with simple things like a shrine to Islamic supremacism being placed at Ground Zero. ::)
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With quotes like that, it's hilarious how hypocritical this Muslim c*nt is. Oh wait, she's a Muslim so she can preach murder and intolerance and then chastise and criticize others for disagreeing with simple things like a shrine to Islamic supremacism being placed at Ground Zero. ::)
Is anyone & everyone who in any way disagrees with you a Muslim?
Or is that simply your insult of choice? You might want to find something else.
Even though I'm not Muslim, I don't consider being called a Muslim to be an insult.
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You're a Muslim that was forcefully converted when Islamic fundamentalists sacked the Toronto Zoo and took over the Llama and Orangutan habitats. I can see how the Muslim part of your background is probably the least offensive to your sensibilities.
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Sacrilege at Ground Zero
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 13, 2010
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A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz).
When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated.
That's why Disney's 1993 proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition that feared vulgarization of the Civil War (and that was wiser than me; at the time I obtusely saw little harm in the venture). It's why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It's why, while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive.
And why Pope John Paul II ordered the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz. He was in no way devaluing their heartfelt mission to pray for the souls of the dead. He was teaching them a lesson in respect: This is not your place; it belongs to others. However pure your voice, better to let silence reign.
Even New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who denounced opponents of the proposed 15-story mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero as tramplers on religious freedom, asked the mosque organizers "to show some special sensitivity to the situation." Yet, as columnist Rich Lowry pointedly noted, the government has no business telling churches how to conduct their business, shape their message or show "special sensitivity" to anyone about anything. Bloomberg was thereby inadvertently conceding the claim of those he excoriates for opposing the mosque, namely that Ground Zero is indeed unlike any other place and therefore unique criteria govern what can be done there.
Bloomberg's implication is clear: If the proposed mosque were controlled by "insensitive" Islamist radicals either excusing or celebrating 9/11, he would not support its construction.
But then, why not? By the mayor's own expansive view of religious freedom, by what right do we dictate the message of any mosque? Moreover, as a practical matter, there's no guarantee that this couldn't happen in the future. Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and onetime imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists?
An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Or would the mayor then step in -- violating the same First Amendment he grandiosely pretends to protect from mosque opponents -- and exercise a veto over the mosque's clergy?
Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed.
Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi -- yet despite contemporary Germany's innocence, no German of goodwill would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.
Which makes you wonder about the goodwill behind Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's proposal. This is a man who has called U.S. policy "an accessory to the crime" of 9/11 and, when recently asked whether Hamas is a terrorist organization, replied, "I'm not a politician. . . . The issue of terrorism is a very complex question."
America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.
These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero.
Build it anywhere but there.
The governor of New York offered to help find land to build the mosque elsewhere. A mosque really seeking to build bridges, Rauf's ostensible hope for the structure, would accept the offer.
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People get so emotional over religion.
Can't we just say some group of a-holes wishes to put up a religious building?
Why do we get so dramatic over their 'intent'? If I buy a mcgriddle in the morning, the kid at McD doesn't care if I'm eating because I'm hungry, or eating because I hate my father, or eating because I am a perma-bulker... he just cares that I'm spending $2.79 on a ggreasy ass sandwich.
Why all the drama/complaining about how people seeking a building location "feel" or what they "want"? Either give them the permit (and allow all places of worship), or don't.... but all this drama about "anywhere but here" because it makes you 'feel' something... come on, keep emotion and religion out of govt municipal affairs.
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People get so emotional over religion.
Can't we just say some group of a-holes wishes to put up a religious building?
Why do we get so dramatic over their 'intent'? If I buy a mcgriddle in the morning, the kid at McD doesn't care if I'm eating because I'm hungry, or eating because I hate my father, or eating because I am a perma-bulker... he just cares that I'm spending $2.79 on a ggreasy ass sandwich.
Why all the drama/complaining about how people seeking a building location "feel" or what they "want"? Either give them the permit (and allow all places of worship), or don't.... but all this drama about "anywhere but here" because it makes you 'feel' something... come on, keep emotion and religion out of govt municipal affairs.
You really have your head up your ass 240.
Again - would you support a floating Shinto Shrine dedicated tot he empoer of Japan in Pearl Harbor?
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I still don't understand why anyone would trust a muslim? Do a little research on Al-Taqiyya, if you are an "infidel" you can't believe a fucking word comes out of their pie hole.
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They had a large segement on the radio last night about the Mosque in rome that the idiot Pope consented to as a condition of more tolerance in the ME.
Guess what happened? The mosque is bigger than was originally envisioned and the filthy vermin cracked down even more on christians in the ME as a sign of spitting ni the face of the Pope.
I will post something about this later.
And 240 - really dude - whats freaking wrong with you?
Muslims are seeking to impose themselves on everyone else and we should all just open our necks for the dull knife so as not to offend their sensitivities? Fuck that.
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Is anyone & everyone who in any way disagrees with you a Muslim?
Or is that simply your insult of choice? You might want to find something else.
Even though I'm not Muslim, I don't consider being called a Muslim to be an insult.
Serious, not sarcastic at all, you strike me as someone who would consider it an insult to be called a Christian> Wrong?
People get so emotional over religion.
Can't we just say some group of a-holes wishes to put up a religious building?
Why do we get so dramatic over their 'intent'? If I buy a mcgriddle in the morning, the kid at McD doesn't care if I'm eating because I'm hungry, or eating because I hate my father, or eating because I am a perma-bulker... he just cares that I'm spending $2.79 on a ggreasy ass sandwich.
Why all the drama/complaining about how people seeking a building location "feel" or what they "want"? Either give them the permit (and allow all places of worship), or don't.... but all this drama about "anywhere but here" because it makes you 'feel' something... come on, keep emotion and religion out of govt municipal affairs.
Because this has nothing to do with religion, that's why people are upset...religion in this case is the cloth being used to hide the truth...unfortunately for them, the cloth is clear and everyone can see right through it.
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Check this out - he was on the radio last night describing the Rome Mosque.
You fools supporting this are being played for patsies.
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TOLERANCE AT GROUND ZERO; DAN HENNINGER
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704901104575423463411360770.html
By DANIEL HENNINGER
TOLERANCE AT GROUND ZERO
If there is a silver lining in the fight over Manhattan’s “Ground Zero Mosque,”
it is to see that the events of September 11, 2001 remain strong in the public
mind.
Thus it is affirming, in an ironic way, to see partisans on the left and right
joining to defend the legal and Constitutional right of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf
to build an Islamic center and mosque at 45 Park Place, two blocks from the
perimeter of the former World Trade Center towers.
It will be an irony of a different sort if the $100 million Islamic center rises
13 stories while the new the World Trade Center site, nine years after, remains
a pit of dust-covered construction struggling to rejoin the life of New York
City. For the most extreme elements of Islam, this must seem a crude, enduring
victory.
Recall the ringing cries that rebuilding the annihilated 108 stories would be
the “best answer” to the terrorists. Absent that, the next-best answer New York
City gave recently was to reassert its belief in freedom of religion and legal
title. In an August 3 speech on the Islamic center’s building approvals, New
York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg summarized those freedoms as “tolerance.”
One must agree. This is tolerance.
Along the way, Mr. Bloomberg noted that denying someone the right to build a
house of worship “may happen in other countries” but shouldn’t here. There is a
school of thought in this controversy that bringing up the denial of religious
practice in “other countries” is irrelevant to discussing the appropriateness of
the Ground Zero mosque. I disagree.
Indeed in the wake of much praise for Mayor Bloomberg’s defense of civil and
religious liberty, let me modestly suggest that he next go to Rome in October
and deliver a sequel at Pope Benedict XVI’s synod on what the pope recently
called the “urgent” plight of Christian minorities in the Middle East. Here, Mr.
Bloomberg was preaching to the choir. Try it over there, where it really
matters.
We didn’t discover tolerance. Islam coexisted for centuries with Christianity
and Judaism. No more. Minorities such as Coptic Christians in Egypt or the
Chaldeans and Yazidi in Iraq are being punished or driven out. Churches are
destroyed, not built. In April, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams,
described the disappearance of Christians from the Middle East as “a possibility
that appalls me.” Iran this week sentenced seven Bahái leaders, merely for being
Baháis.
These are national policies, not merely “extremist” Islam. This is directly
linked to why the West, including lower Manhattan, is being attacked.
It’s always stirring to see the American Constitution prevail on behalf of
unpopular groups, whether neo-Nazis marching in Skokie or Imam Rauf’s Cordoba
House in New York. But here’s what’s galling about the Cordoba House affair.
There is a sense in which these unpopular causes and people always free-ride on
the rest of us who defend freedom. It would be good to see them in return doing
their part to keep these principles alive, and that includes Imam Rauf’s
unambiguous public support for the embattled Christian minorities in the Middle
East.
Islam isn’t just another religion in America. It is bound up in the biggest
political struggle of our time. Notwithstanding Imam Rauf’s commitments to
“dialogue,” what has he or the rest done to promote and protect the traditions
of Western civil society, for which many here and in Europe have fought and
died? Maybe the Constitution doesn’t explicitly require it, but where is the
good faith on their part?
No institution has spent more time trying to bring Islam toward the modern
world’s tradition of civil liberties—that is, the world as we’ve known it for
about 250 years—than the Vatican. On behalf of tolerance in the Middle Eastern
countries, the Vatican has set up active directorates, sent envoys and held
endless symposia on behalf of “understanding” and “dialogue.”
In 1995, the Saudis and others, with the Vatican’s support, opened a large,
beautiful mosque in Rome. The expectation was that the Saudis would loosen their
restrictions on Christian practice. Despite some one million immigrant Christian
workers there, the Saudis have done nothing.
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Frustrated by the repeated failure of Islamic leaders to match promises with
practice, Pope Benedict added to the Vatican’s strategy of accommodation a
one-word policy, which the tolerance advocates here should adopt: “reciprocity.”
The idea: There will be support for fewer new mosques in the West until the home
countries stop hammering non-Islamic religions. Until they reciprocate good will
with good will.
Imam Rauf and his partners are getting more than they’ve earned. That’s nice.
But even in tolerant America, political life isn’t a one-way street. Islam is in
political tension with the world over Islamic terror. The next time one of them
tries to blow up New York, let’s hope the TV cameras’ first stop for a
denunciation won’t be the mayor, but the front steps of Cordoba House.
Write to henninger@wsj.com
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I'm referring to all the 'pundits' and GB members saying things like "10 blocks is too close! We need it 30 blocks away or more!"
The minute you try to quantify mental pain and suffering via legislation... yikes.... slippery slope. You repubs would be shitting bricks if Obama was stifling tea party rights the same way you wish to do with this particular religion.
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I'm referring to all the 'pundits' and GB members saying things like "10 blocks is too close! We need it 30 blocks away or more!"
The minute you try to quantify mental pain and suffering via legislation... yikes.... slippery slope. You repubs would be shitting bricks if Obama was stifling tea party rights the same way you wish to do with this particular religion.
What the fuck are you yapping about? I think you need to sit down and read the constitution and stop with all these "full retard" comparisons
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I'm referring to all the 'pundits' and GB members saying things like "10 blocks is too close! We need it 30 blocks away or more!"
The minute you try to quantify mental pain and suffering via legislation... yikes.... slippery slope. You repubs would be shitting bricks if Obama was stifling tea party rights the same way you wish to do with this particular religion.
How about "not in a building where peoples' remains likely flew into" ? ? ?
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See what most people fail to understand about Islam is, it is not just a "religion" it is a complete social/economic/governmental/theocratic system.
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How about "not in a building where peoples' remains likely flew into" ? ? ?
but see, the minute the lawmakers say "the wounds are too fresh" and "30 blocks, but not 29 or 28 or 10" and "a church is alright, but no mosques!"....
The minute emotion is allowed to work its way into lawmaking, we set a dangerous precedent - and one that Obama could use to his own advantage.
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but see, the minute the lawmakers say "the wounds are too fresh" and "30 blocks, but not 29 or 28 or 10" and "a church is alright, but no mosques!"....
The minute emotion is allowed to work its way into lawmaking, we set a dangerous precedent - and one that Obama could use to his own advantage.
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Are you ok with a Shinto Shrine anchored in Pearl Harbor?
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Are you ok with a Shinto Shrine anchored in Pearl Harbor?
I'm not okay with ANY floating shrines in pearl harbor.
In fact, floating shrines are gayer than a stack of strawberry pancakes and belong nowhere in this country. That is all.
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240 is right, kazan and 3333 are wrong
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Really, care to expound or are we just supposed accept your "expert" opinion?
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240 is right, kazan and 3333 are wrong
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So do you agree with the right of the Japanese to place a floating Shinto Shrine in Pearl Harbor?
YES OR NO? ? ? ? ?
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you weren't free to walk away and felt you may have had the need to become physical or even kill them to protect yourself? so it was an unlawful restraint or kidnapping situation then. did you call the police?
bump for jaguarenterprises answer
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So do you agree with the right of the Japanese to place a floating Shinto Shrine in Pearl Harbor?
YES OR NO? ? ? ? ?
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theres one as you come into pearl harbor
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So do you agree with the right of the Japanese to place a floating Shinto Shrine in Pearl Harbor?
YES OR NO? ? ? ? ?
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theres one as you come into pearl harbor
source?
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So do you agree with the right of the Japanese to place a floating Shinto Shrine in Pearl Harbor?
YES OR NO? ? ? ? ?
do you think christian churches have a right to be built in the south where the KKK, which claimed christian fundamentalism as foundation for their attacks on blacks and jews, were centered and carried out their terrorist acts?
Ever heard the phrase "don't let one apple spoil the whole bunch?"
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You're a Muslim that was forcefully converted when Islamic fundamentalists sacked the Toronto Zoo and took over the Llama and Orangutan habitats. I can see how the Muslim part of your background is probably the least offensive to your sensibilities.
Lol.
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do you think christian churches have a right to be built in the south where the KKK, which claimed christian fundamentalism as foundation for their attacks on blacks and jews, were centered and carried out their terrorist acts?
Ever heard the phrase "don't let one apple spoil the whole bunch?"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk
Maybe you need to go read history some more.
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do you think christian churches have a right to be built in the south where the KKK, which claimed christian fundamentalism as foundation for their attacks on blacks and jews, were centered and carried out their terrorist acts?
Yahoo:
Traditionally the KKK was predominantly Baptist, but with an ecumenical attitude toward Pentecostals.
I disagree completely with the KKK belief system. But I would have no problem with any Baptist group trying to build a church near a spot where terrible things once happened.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk
Maybe you need to go read history some more.
their website (shows up on page 2 of a google search on this topic) claims "Christian" as their religion.
Who cares, really.
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Hawaii’s Domestication of Shinto
by James Whitehurst
Dr. Whitehurst is professor of religion at Illinois Wesleyan University in Bloomington. This article appeared in the Christian Century November 21, 1984, p. 1100. Copyright by the Christian Century Foundation and used by permission. Current articles and subscription information can be found at www.christiancentury.org . This material was prepared for Religion Online by Ted & Winnie Brock.
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An American flag waves briskly in the breeze beside a Shinto shrine on the major freeway leading from Honolulu to Pearl Harbor. Just five miles away is the spot where Japanese planes dropped their bombs on the American fleet.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk
Maybe you need to go read history some more.
you're using wikipedia? I know many people that were former members of the KKK, I know what they believe. Some of my family's land was used for their meetings. The point being is that we don't ban and hate all baptists (christians) because of what a few radicals believed and carried out. I hope we're smart enough to be able to seperate the two, the radicals and the mainstream teaching of that religion.
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Hawaii’s Domestication of Shinto
by James Whitehurst
Dr. Whitehurst is professor of religion at Illinois Wesleyan University in Bloomington. This article appeared in the Christian Century November 21, 1984, p. 1100. Copyright by the Christian Century Foundation and used by permission. Current articles and subscription information can be found at www.christiancentury.org . This material was prepared for Religion Online by Ted & Winnie Brock.
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An American flag waves briskly in the breeze beside a Shinto shrine on the major freeway leading from Honolulu to Pearl Harbor. Just five miles away is the spot where Japanese planes dropped their bombs on the American fleet.
Fine, I have no problem with the Imam placing this mess in Staten Island, Brooklyn, or New Jersy, all about 5 miles away.
I asked you about a floating shrine in the harbor on top of the sunken ships where the attack occurred.
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Yahoo:
Traditionally the KKK was predominantly Baptist, but with an ecumenical attitude toward Pentecostals.
I disagree completely with the KKK belief system. But I would have no problem with any Baptist group trying to build a church near a spot where terrible things once happened.
Exactly. Nobody cares about whether baptists build churches close to where there were once a hanging center for blacks. Its the same issue. Why doesn't anyone make a big fuss about baptists and KKK the same way as muslim and terrorists? Because one is white and the other isnt :)
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well as far as i know their not building the mosque where the buildings stood, so really your not comparing apples to apples
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Fine, I have no problem with the Imam placing this mess in Staten Island, Brooklyn, or New Jersy, all about 5 miles away.
So 10 blocks is too close, and 5 miles away is okay.
What about 4.9 miles?
By the way, what standards/rubric are you using to decide how close is too close?
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Fine, I have no problem with the Imam placing this mess in Staten Island, Brooklyn, or New Jersy, all about 5 miles away.
I asked you about a floating shrine in the harbor on top of the sunken ships where the attack occurred.
Maybe you should read your quote again on what you asked
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So do you agree with the right of the Japanese to place a floating Shinto Shrine in Pearl Harbor?
YES OR NO? ? ? ? ?
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Exactly. Nobody cares about whether baptists build churches close to where there were once a hanging center for blacks. Its the same issue. Why doesn't anyone make a big fuss about baptists and KKK the same way as muslim and terrorists? Because one is white and the other isnt :)
The Imam pushing this thing has not disavowed many radical sects of islam, so if you can show me churches being opened by people of similar ilk, I would be against them too.
To me, this is like the Westboro Baptist freaks, sure they have a techincal legal right to do it, but they should not be at all surprised when people hold them in utter and unmitigated contempt and disdain.
And while Dear Failure is paying for this Imam to go on his world conquest tour, why dont we insist he pressures SA to allow churches to be opened in Mecca?
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well as far as i know their not building the mosque where the buildings stood, so really your not comparing apples to apples
You are not from NY so you have no freaking clue what you are talking about No. 1. No. 2 you posted ana rticle about a shrine 5 miles away, which is fine w me if this Imam wants to build this thing in Brooklyn, Harlem, Staten Island Etc.
This very building was hit by the landing gear of one of the planes some of you freaks think never hit the building.
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So 10 blocks is too close, and 5 miles away is okay.
What about 4.9 miles?
By the way, what standards/rubric are you using to decide how close is too close?
There is no standard or rubric he is using...It is the 'ambulance chaser' mentality at work. Find a prevailing issue and scream your head off the loudest about it. 3 Doesn't even live in New york City according to him, and where he does live is about 20 miles from Ground Zero, so why is he concerned about the matter at all??
Controlled Demolition, Fake Terrorist, Patsies, Domestic Terrorism..etc etc It has all been discovered at his point...only FOOLS believe US government tripe
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Maybe you should read your quote again on what you asked
The landing gear of one of the planes you claim never hit the building crashed into this very site. So yes, the two are the same.
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So how do you reach your numbers?
5 miles away isn't "too painful", but 10 blocks away is too painful?
What about a building FIVE BLOCKS away that wasn't hit with any landing gear?
It's so SUBJECTIVE - and that's the problem. I'm fine with a law saying "NO religious structures within 5280 feet". But saying a certain religion can't be there, cause 10 years ago some of its followers did something? And that 11 blocks is okay, but 10 is not, because it "feels" right?
Mufckers gotta learn to separate emotion from lawmaking.
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There is no standard or rubric he is using...It is the 'ambulance chaser' mentality at work. Find a prevailing issue and scream your head off the loudest about it. 3 Doesn't even live in New york City according to him, and where he does live is about 20 miles from Ground Zero, so why is he concerned about the matter at all??
Controlled Demolition, Fake Terrorist, Patsies, Domestic Terrorism..etc etc It has all been discovered at his point...only FOOLS believe US government tripe
My building is literally on the border of NYC, literally. I am down there 3-5 times a week, and it is 9 miles to the tip of manhattan. Maybe you should learn some geography. From my Nabe we used to be able to see the Twin Towers.
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The Imam pushing this thing has not disavowed many radical sects of islam, so if you can show me churches being opened by people of similar ilk, I would be against them too
a ton of churches in the south have ties with the KKK, its nothing secret, people just prefer not to bring it up. I see no ties between this proposed building in NYC and the people that hijacked the planes on september 11, so which of these two are worse?
To me, this is like the Westboro Baptist freaks, sure they have a techincal legal right to do it, but they should not be at all surprised when people hold them in utter and unmitigated contempt and disdain.
It's not government's job to invoke what someone believes to be "immoral".
And while Dear Failure is paying for this Imam to go on his world conquest tour, why dont we insist he pressures SA to allow churches to be opened in Mecca?
You're saying that its the US government's job to tell other countries how and to what degree they should tolerate religion within their borders?
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The landing gear of one of the planes you claim never hit the building crashed into this very site. So yes, the two are the same.
No landing gear EVER hit any building in that area. No debris ever traveled that far. Do you even realize how far Park Place is from Liberty street? How come there was NEVER any mention of any landing gear supposedly hitting this building until this mosque came into the fray? according to US government the plane TOTALLY VAPORIZED. How could a major plane part hit that building that far away and yet nothing hit World Trade 7 which was right across the street from World trade 1?
Get your facts 3
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So how do you reach your numbers?
5 miles away isn't "too painful", but 10 blocks away is too painful?
What about a building FIVE BLOCKS away that wasn't hit with any landing gear?
It's so SUBJECTIVE - and that's the problem. I'm fine with a law saying "NO religious structures within 5280 feet". But saying a certain religion can't be there, cause 10 years ago some of its followers did something? And that 11 blocks is okay, but 10 is not, because it "feels" right?
Mufckers gotta learn to separate emotion from lawmaking.
240 I have already said they have a techinical legal right to build thing, absent further info as to the financing, etc.
However, like I have said, just because you have a legal right to do something, does not make it right.
What If I am next door neighbors with you and I post a huge sign on the lawn saying "I want to bang 240's wife" in huge letters, illuminate it at night, etc? Yes, I have the right to do it, but its still wrong. and what if you ask me to take it down because your wife cant stop crying and is traumitized etc etc and I simply waive the constitution at you?
Should I then be surprised when you hate my guts, want to run me over, post a sign in your front yard as to my mother (The gay bar) etc?
My point is that while the Imam has a techincal right to pursue this, its no different than the westboro baptist scumbags provoking people.
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240 I have already said they have a techinical legal right to build thing, absent further info as to the financing, etc.
However, like I have said, just because you have a legal right to do something, does not make it right.
What If I am next door neighbors with you and I post a huge sign on the lawn saying "I want to bang 240's wife" in huge letters, illuminate it at night, etc? Yes, I have the right to do it, but its still wrong. and what if you ask me to take it down because your wife cant stop crying and is traumitized etc etc and I simply waive the constitution at you?
Should I then be surprised when you hate my guts, want to run me over, post a sign in your front yard as to my mother (The gay bar) etc?
My point is that while the Imam has a techincal right to pursue this, its no different than the westboro baptist scumbags provoking people.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course it's morally disgusting what they want to do here. I agree 1000% percent. Sounds to me like they're trying to ru salt in wounds, and would either move it further away, or would stay there and make it a totally POSITIVE movement to HEAL the wounds many people still have.
I'm just arguing constitutionally. Again, another example of moral right/wrong being incompatiable with national policy or utilitarian goals of nations.
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Unreal - we are paying this asshole to go promote the damn mosque you fool. While we shouldnt be paying this guy to do anything, the least we can ask is that he leads by example and preach what he wants the rest of us to exhibit.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course it's morally disgusting what they want to do here. I agree 1000% percent. Sounds to me like they're trying to ru salt in wounds, and would either move it further away, or would stay there and make it a totally POSITIVE movement to HEAL the wounds many people still have.
I'm just arguing constitutionally. Again, another example of moral right/wrong being incompatiable with national policy or utilitarian goals of nations.
If everyone behaved like this pofs Imam is in this, we will have a civil war again.
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Unreal - we are paying this asshole to go promote the damn mosque you fool. While we shouldnt be paying this guy to do anything, the least we can ask is that he leads by example and preach what he wants the rest of us to exhibit.
This thread is about who should or should not be paid to promote a place of worship? I thought it was about whether a mosque should be built in NYC because its close to the world trade center site
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This thread is about who should or should not be paid to promote a place of worship? I thought it was about whether a mosque should be built in NYC because its close to the world trade center site
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Are you doing drugs - you asked if it is the govts' job to tell others how to run their countries and I pointed out to you that obama is already paying for this imam to go around the world to promote this. You don't see the irony of your statement?
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Are you doing drugs - you asked if it is the govts' job to tell others how to run their countries and I pointed out to you that obama is already paying for this imam to go around the world to promote this. You don't see the irony of your statement?
I dont see any irony at all. It seems to me that you change directions of the conversation to try to find your best strong argument and then promote that one thing over and over.
I don't think its governments job to dictate to other countries how they should seperate church and state. I think we could lead by example but if your suggesting that the U.S. should go to SA to order them to allow christian churches to be built, I think may have bad consequences.
But sticking to the original subject, about whether a mosque should be built within whatever milage from the world trade center sites, I think they should be allowed to. I point to the two-faced side about how nobody lets the KKK spoil the whole christian name, so we shouldn't let terrorists spoil the islam name. In my opinion, there are strong similiarities between KKK/Baptist(christian) and terrorists/muslims.
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I dont see any irony at all. It seems to me that you change directions of the conversation to try to find your best strong argument and then promote that one thing over and over.
I don't think its governments job to dictate to other countries how they should seperate church and state. I think we could lead by example but if your suggesting that the U.S. should go to SA to order them to allow christian churches to be built, I think may have bad consequences.
But sticking to the original subject, about whether a mosque should be built within whatever milage from the world trade center sites, I think they should be allowed to. I point to the two-faced side about how nobody lets the KKK spoil the whole christian name, so we shouldn't let terrorists spoil the islam name. In my opinion, there are strong similiarities between KKK/Baptist(christian) and terrorists/muslims.
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I don't think its governments job to dictate to other countries how they should seperate church and state. I think we could lead by example but if your suggesting that the U.S. should go to SA to order them to allow christian churches to be built, I think may have bad consequences.
LOL - you do realize we are paying for this imam to go on a wourld tour to promote islam and this mosque. But I guess you are ok with that?
Yes the Imam has a techincal legal right, but he should not be surprised when 70% consider him, his shrine to conquest, and all those in it the same was people look at the Westboro Baptist people.
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So basically the whole argument is based on quantifying one thing with another?
First of all Church and religion are not the same thing, Also the term church means society, not some building. (It has evolved into a building to promote "secularism"). The objective is and has always been to protect the individual, not a building.
I don't see anyone trying to stop people from practicing islam, so where is the unconstitutional part?
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So basically the whole argument is based on quantifying one thing with another?
First of all Church and religion are not the same thing, Also the term church means society, not some building. (It has evolved into a building to promote "secularism"). The objective is and has always been to protect the individual, not a building.
I don't see anyone trying to stop people from practicing islam, so where is the unconstitutional part?
Obama paying for this Imam to go around the world on our dime to promote religion and this project seems like a violation to me.
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My building is literally on the border of NYC, literally. I am down there 3-5 times a week, and it is 9 miles to the tip of manhattan. Maybe you should learn some geography. From my Nabe we used to be able to see the Twin Towers.
9 miles to what tip of Manhattan...the northern tip or southern tip? It could NOT be 9 miles from Westchester to GZ, because Manhattan alone is 12 MILES LONG...now factor in the distance from the northern tip of Manhattan to Westchester and you will get about 20 miles.
So far as you claiming to be at GZ 3 to 5 times per week, what does that have to do with the Mosque being built? Your trips to Wall Street and that area don't even bring you anywhere near Park Place where this Mosque will be built. The Mosque is on the west side of Manhattan...Wall Street and the court buildings, federal buildings, Stock Exchange etc are on the East side of Manhattan
I have used Google maps to show relevance from where you say you are to GZ as well as lower Manhattan map showing wall street, GZ and the COurt House Area
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Obama paying for this Imam to go around the world on our dime to promote religion and this project seems like a violation to me.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
I don't think this can be categorized as unconstitutional, unless the government tried to force everyone to convert to islam.
As far as spending tax dollars for this bullshit, the POTUS should be kicked in the balls
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Thanks for the geography lesson. ::) ::)
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Thanks for the geography lesson. ::) ::)
You can save me the Sarah Palin eye roll and just answer the question. Where are you located on the Bronx/Westchester border? Going on the average distance from the midpoint of Westchester to GZ is about 20 miles....meaning you have no reason to worry if a mosque, SINagogue, Church, or Temple or anything is built at GZ. The MSM has riled up everyone's emotions over a mosque/Islam/Imam by equating them all with terrosism...I am surprised no one has dragged up Khalid Sheik Mohammed yet?...Yet the MSM has said nothing of arresting the FRAUDS at GOLDMAN SACHS (BTW I am still waiting on you to go there and arrest someone...I will take anyone at this point) who are the REAL TERRORIST attacking americans everyday...
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Woodlawn section of Yonkers/Bronx right next to the Woodlawn Cemetary.
Actually many famous people are buried in there.
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Poll: Most (72% !) Say "Ground Zero Mosque" Is Inappropriate
CBS ^ | August 25, 2010 | Alex Sundby
A majority of Americans don't think it is appropriate to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center two blocks from the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, according to a new CBS News poll.
Nearly three of four Americans -- 72 percent -- say building a mosque so close to the site is not appropriate while just 22 percent say it is appropriate.
How one views Islam informs how they feel about the proposed construction of the mosque near Ground Zero. Those who have a favorable opinion of Islam are more inclined to think the mosque is appropriate with 50 percent calling it appropriate and 42 percent saying it isn't. Those who view Islam unfavorably decidedly think it's inappropriate 88 percent going against it to 9 percent.
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Poll: Most (72% !) Say "Ground Zero Mosque" Is Inappropriate
CBS ^ | August 25, 2010 | Alex Sundby
A majority of Americans don't think it is appropriate to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center two blocks from the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, according to a new CBS News poll.
Nearly three of four Americans -- 72 percent -- say building a mosque so close to the site is not appropriate while just 22 percent say it is appropriate.
How one views Islam informs how they feel about the proposed construction of the mosque near Ground Zero. Those who have a favorable opinion of Islam are more inclined to think the mosque is appropriate with 50 percent calling it appropriate and 42 percent saying it isn't. Those who view Islam unfavorably decidedly think it's inappropriate 88 percent going against it to 9 percent.
Interesting how roughly the same percentage of people agree (and/or disagree) that it's inappropriate to build the mosque there but also that the developers have the right to build it.
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What I find more interesting is that people don't know the difference between a right and a privilege
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No wonder Imam Obama supports the mosque.As with everything he does,if its against the will of Americans,he is for it.
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Obama is nothing more than a lying, thieving, plundering, stealing, grifting, pofs.
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Seven in 10 NYers want mosque moved
NY Post ^ | 8/31/10 | CARL CAMPANILE
Move the mosque!
Seven in ten New Yorkers say the proposed mosque/Islamic community center near Ground Zero should be relocated because of opposition from 9/11 families — and an equal number want state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to probe the group’s finances, a new statewide poll released today found.
“Overwhelmingly — across party and regional lines — New Yorkers say the sponsors ought to voluntarily move the proposed mosque to another location,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.
The survey of 1,497 of New York residents found:
* 54 percent agree that “freedom of religion” gives Muslims the legal right to build the mosque on Park Place, while 40 percent disagreed and the rest were undecided.
* But 53 percent also said Muslim developers should not be allowed to build the mosque near the World Trade Center site in deference to sensitivities of 9/11 relatives, with 39 percent opposed and the rest undecided.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
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Seven in 10 NYers want mosque moved
NY Post ^ | 8/31/10 | CARL CAMPANILE
Move the mosque!
Seven in ten New Yorkers say the proposed mosque/Islamic community center near Ground Zero should be relocated because of opposition from 9/11 families — and an equal number want state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to probe the group’s finances, a new statewide poll released today found.
“Overwhelmingly — across party and regional lines — New Yorkers say the sponsors ought to voluntarily move the proposed mosque to another location,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.
The survey of 1,497 of New York residents found:
* 54 percent agree that “freedom of religion” gives Muslims the legal right to build the mosque on Park Place, while 40 percent disagreed and the rest were undecided.
* But 53 percent also said Muslim developers should not be allowed to build the mosque near the World Trade Center site in deference to sensitivities of 9/11 relatives, with 39 percent opposed and the rest undecided.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
And here's the real poll, not the cut-and-paste version 240 posted.
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Bloomberg’s Ground Zero Mosque Dividend
by Robert Spencer
08/31/2010
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has continued to portray his support for the construction of an Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero as the moral high ground. But Bloomberg may be getting more out of this than just the glow of moral sanctity—billions more, in fact, courtesy his business dealings in Muslim countries.
If the mega-mosque at Ground Zero isn’t built, Bloomberg said, the terrorists win: “We would compromise our commitment to fighting terror with freedom. We would undercut the values and principles that so many heroes died protecting. We would feed the false impressions that some Americans have about Muslims. We would send a signal around the world that Muslim Americans may be equal in the eyes of the law, but separate in the eyes of their countrymen. And we would hand a valuable propaganda tool to terrorist recruiters, who spread the fallacy that America is at war with Islam.”
There are numerous indications, however, that fighting terrorism and standing against bigotry are not the only things that Bloomberg has in mind when he stands with mosque proponents. His moral high ground is questionable in any case, since Bloomberg claims to be standing against terror and bigotry with Ground Zero mega-mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who refuses to denounce the jihad terror group Hamas, and is an open proponent of sharia, the Islamic legal system that relegates non-Muslims and women to a second-class status that denies them numerous basic rights.
But raising more pointed questions are Bloomberg’s increasing business dealings in the Islamic world. In October 2008, Bloomberg’s financial data and news corporation announced that it was expanding operations in Dubai, making its office there into one of the corporation’s regional hubs and quadrupling its staff in the process. Bloomberg Middle East and South Asia chief Max Linnington announced proudly: “We are going to be bringing all the elements of what you would find in one of Bloomberg’s largest offices here in Dubai.”
And in the spring of 2009, Bloomberg opened a news bureau in Abu Dhabi, joining its existing offices not only in Dubai, but in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. And Bloomberg Chairman and Managing Director Peter T. Grauer announced plans to expand Dubai operations still more: “Central to our growth strategy is the doubling of staff strength in Dubai office, our 10th regional hub, from 48 to 100 people within a year…. We will be investing not just in more people but also in infrastructure to support clients in the region.”
Grauer revealed that while Bloomberg was taking a bath worldwide, business was booming in the Middle East: “Despite the difficulties faced by the financial sector in the economic turmoil, our terminal sales in the region grew by 2% in the past nine months, when globally we faced a major setback.” Khaleej Times reported that “the New York-based company has drawn up a five-year plan that will see it achieving a two-fold increase in revenue from the Middle East region by 2014.”
Imagine how quickly that revenue stream would dry up if Bloomberg sided with the people whom Rauf and other leaders of the Ground Zero mosque initiative are busy smearing as “Islamophobes” and “bigots.” When his company is doing poorly worldwide except in the Middle East, it couldn’t have been hard for Bloomberg to see on which side his bread was buttered.
Business decisions are business decisions. But if Bloomberg was making a business decision when he came out so strongly in favor of the mega-mosque, he would have been more honest, and admirable, if he had just said so. He might even have retained some respectability if he had simply said that his business commitments in the Middle East made for a conflict of interest, and recused himself from the debate over the Ground Zero mega-mosque. But that conflict of interest does make his moral dudgeon over the mosque opponents appear hollow and hypocritical. It isn’t easy to be a saint, and it’s even harder when the material rewards for striking a saintly pose are as ample as they are for Saint Bloomberg of Brookline.
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Mr. Spencer is director of Jihad Watch and author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), The Truth About Muhammad (both from Regnery—a Human Events sister company) and most recently coauthor of Pamela Geller’s The Post-American Presidency (Simon & Schuster).
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BarenakedIslam did a great piece of this Bloomberg deal a few weeks ago. It makes complete sense now why dhimmi Bloomberg is championing this mosque.
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Two-thirds of New York residents think Ground Zero mosque should be moved
By TOM TOPOUSIS
Posted: 7:25 AM, September 24, 2010
While a vast majority of New Yorkers believe the group planning a mosque near Ground Zero has a legal right to do so, two-thirds of state residents believe it should be built somewhere else, a new Quinnipiac University poll found.
And 57 percent of the likely voters polled said building a mosque so close to Ground Zero is "wrong."
"Most voters think it isn’t ‘appropriate’ to put a mosque close to Ground Zero. There’s a party split: Republicans overwhelmingly say no; Democrats say yes," said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
"But almost all New Yorkers agree that America’s belief in freedom of religion gives Muslims the right to build the mosque," Carroll said.
The poll found that 80 percent of New Yorkers believe the mosque’s backers have a legal right to build on the site they own near Ground Zero, while a scant 15 percent said they don’t.
But by a margin of 67 to 21 percent, those surveyed said the mosque should be moved voluntarily.
Republicans overwhelmingly rejected the idea that a mosque near Ground Zero is appropriate by a margin of 90 to 8 percent. But 50 percent of Democrats said a mosque at the location is ok, compared with 34 percent who said it isn’t appropriate.
Independent voters say 63 to 30 percent that it’s wrong.
The survey of 751 likely voters from around New York State was conducted from Sept. 16th to 20th. The margin of errror is +/- 3.6 pecentage points.