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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #100 on: August 13, 2010, 10:17:11 AM »
The landing gear of one of the planes you claim never hit the building crashed into this very site.  So yes, the two are the same.  

No landing gear EVER hit any building in that area. No debris ever traveled that far. Do you even realize how far Park Place is from Liberty street? How come there was NEVER any mention of any landing gear supposedly hitting this building until this mosque came into the fray? according to US government the plane TOTALLY VAPORIZED. How could a major plane part hit that building that far away and yet nothing hit World Trade 7 which was right across the street from World trade 1?

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #101 on: August 13, 2010, 10:20:37 AM »
So how do you reach your numbers?

5 miles away isn't "too painful", but 10 blocks away is too painful?

What about a building FIVE BLOCKS away that wasn't hit with any landing gear?

It's so SUBJECTIVE - and that's the problem.  I'm fine with a law saying "NO religious structures within 5280 feet".  But saying a certain religion can't be there, cause 10 years ago some of its followers did something?  And that 11 blocks is okay, but 10 is not, because it "feels" right?

Mufckers gotta learn to separate emotion from lawmaking.

240 I have already said they have a techinical legal right to build thing, absent further info as to the financing, etc.  

However, like I have said, just because you have a legal right to do something, does not make it right.  

What If I am next door neighbors with you and I post a huge sign on the lawn saying "I want to bang 240's wife" in huge letters, illuminate it at night, etc?  Yes, I have the right to do it, but its still wrong.  and what if you ask me to take it down because your wife cant stop crying and is traumitized etc etc and I simply waive the constitution at you?  

Should I then be surprised when you hate my guts, want to run me over, post a sign in your front yard as to my mother (The gay bar) etc?  

My point is that while the Imam has a techincal right to pursue this, its no different than the westboro baptist scumbags provoking people.  

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #102 on: August 13, 2010, 10:23:14 AM »
240 I have already said they have a techinical legal right to build thing, absent further info as to the financing, etc. 

However, like I have said, just because you have a legal right to do something, does not make it right. 

What If I am next door neighbors with you and I post a huge sign on the lawn saying "I want to bang 240's wife" in huge letters, illuminate it at night, etc?  Yes, I have the right to do it, but its still wrong.  and what if you ask me to take it down because your wife cant stop crying and is traumitized etc etc and I simply waive the constitution at you? 

Should I then be surprised when you hate my guts, want to run me over, post a sign in your front yard as to my mother (The gay bar) etc? 

My point is that while the Imam has a techincal right to pursue this, its no different than the westboro baptist scumbags provoking people. 


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course it's morally disgusting what they want to do here.  I agree 1000% percent.  Sounds to me like they're trying to ru salt in wounds, and would either move it further away, or would stay there and make it a totally POSITIVE movement to HEAL the wounds many people still have.

I'm just arguing constitutionally.  Again, another example of moral right/wrong being incompatiable with national policy or utilitarian goals of nations.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #103 on: August 13, 2010, 10:23:36 AM »


Unreal - we are paying this asshole to go promote the damn mosque you fool.   While we shouldnt be paying this guy to do anything, the least we can ask is that he leads by example and preach what he wants the rest of us to exhibit.  

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #104 on: August 13, 2010, 10:27:18 AM »

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course it's morally disgusting what they want to do here.  I agree 1000% percent.  Sounds to me like they're trying to ru salt in wounds, and would either move it further away, or would stay there and make it a totally POSITIVE movement to HEAL the wounds many people still have.

I'm just arguing constitutionally.  Again, another example of moral right/wrong being incompatiable with national policy or utilitarian goals of nations.

If everyone behaved like this pofs Imam is in this, we will have a civil war again. 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #105 on: August 13, 2010, 10:28:24 AM »
Unreal - we are paying this asshole to go promote the damn mosque you fool.   While we shouldnt be paying this guy to do anything, the least we can ask is that he leads by example and preach what he wants the rest of us to exhibit.  

This thread is about who should or should not be paid to promote a place of worship? I thought it was about whether a mosque should be built in NYC because its close to the world trade center site

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #106 on: August 13, 2010, 10:34:54 AM »
This thread is about who should or should not be paid to promote a place of worship? I thought it was about whether a mosque should be built in NYC because its close to the world trade center site

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Are you doing drugs - you asked if it is the govts' job to tell others how to run their countries and I pointed out to you that obama is already paying for this imam to go around the world to promote this.  You don't see the irony of your statement?

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #107 on: August 13, 2010, 10:44:09 AM »
Are you doing drugs - you asked if it is the govts' job to tell others how to run their countries and I pointed out to you that obama is already paying for this imam to go around the world to promote this.  You don't see the irony of your statement?

I dont see any irony at all. It seems to me that you change directions of the conversation to try to find your best strong argument and then promote that one thing over and over.

I don't think its governments job to dictate to other countries how they should seperate church and state. I think we could lead by example but if your suggesting that the U.S. should go to SA to order them to allow christian churches to be built, I think may have bad consequences.

But sticking to the original subject, about whether a mosque should be built within whatever milage from the world trade center sites, I think they should be allowed to. I point to the two-faced side about how nobody lets the KKK spoil the whole christian name, so we shouldn't let terrorists spoil the islam name. In my opinion, there are strong similiarities between KKK/Baptist(christian) and terrorists/muslims.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #108 on: August 13, 2010, 10:53:54 AM »
I dont see any irony at all. It seems to me that you change directions of the conversation to try to find your best strong argument and then promote that one thing over and over.

I don't think its governments job to dictate to other countries how they should seperate church and state. I think we could lead by example but if your suggesting that the U.S. should go to SA to order them to allow christian churches to be built, I think may have bad consequences.

But sticking to the original subject, about whether a mosque should be built within whatever milage from the world trade center sites, I think they should be allowed to. I point to the two-faced side about how nobody lets the KKK spoil the whole christian name, so we shouldn't let terrorists spoil the islam name. In my opinion, there are strong similiarities between KKK/Baptist(christian) and terrorists/muslims.

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I don't think its governments job to dictate to other countries how they should seperate church and state. I think we could lead by example but if your suggesting that the U.S. should go to SA to order them to allow christian churches to be built, I think may have bad consequences.




LOL - you do realize we are paying for this imam to go on a wourld tour to promote islam and this mosque.  But I guess you are ok with that? 

Yes the Imam has a techincal legal right, but he should not be surprised when 70% consider him, his shrine to conquest, and all those in it the same was people look at the Westboro Baptist people. 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #109 on: August 13, 2010, 10:58:59 AM »
So basically the whole argument is based on quantifying one thing with another?

First of all Church and religion are not the same thing, Also the term church means society, not some building. (It has evolved into a building to promote "secularism"). The objective is and has always been to protect the individual, not a building.

I don't see anyone trying to stop people from practicing islam, so where is the unconstitutional part?
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #110 on: August 13, 2010, 11:00:29 AM »
So basically the whole argument is based on quantifying one thing with another?

First of all Church and religion are not the same thing, Also the term church means society, not some building. (It has evolved into a building to promote "secularism"). The objective is and has always been to protect the individual, not a building.

I don't see anyone trying to stop people from practicing islam, so where is the unconstitutional part?

Obama paying for this Imam to go around the world on our dime to promote religion and this project seems like a violation to me. 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #111 on: August 13, 2010, 11:04:01 AM »
My building is literally on the border of NYC, literally.  I am down there 3-5 times a week, and it is 9 miles to the tip of manhattan.  Maybe you should learn some geography.  From my Nabe we used to be able to see the Twin Towers.  

9 miles to what tip of Manhattan...the northern tip or southern tip? It could NOT be 9 miles from Westchester to GZ, because Manhattan alone is 12 MILES LONG...now factor in the distance from the northern tip of Manhattan to Westchester and you will get about 20 miles.

So far as you claiming to be at GZ 3 to 5 times per week, what does that have to do with the Mosque being built? Your trips to Wall Street and that area don't even bring you anywhere near Park Place where this Mosque will be built. The Mosque is on the west side of Manhattan...Wall Street and the court buildings, federal buildings, Stock Exchange etc are on the East side of Manhattan

I have used Google maps to show relevance from where you say you are to GZ as well as lower Manhattan map showing wall street, GZ and the COurt House Area
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #112 on: August 13, 2010, 11:06:34 AM »
Obama paying for this Imam to go around the world on our dime to promote religion and this project seems like a violation to me. 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

I don't think this can be categorized as unconstitutional, unless the government tried to force everyone to convert to islam.

As far as spending tax dollars for this bullshit, the POTUS should be kicked in the balls
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #113 on: August 13, 2010, 11:07:29 AM »
Thanks for the geography lesson.   ::)  ::)


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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #114 on: August 13, 2010, 12:36:47 PM »
Thanks for the geography lesson.   ::)  ::)



You can save me the Sarah Palin eye roll and just answer the question. Where are you located on the Bronx/Westchester border? Going on the average distance from the midpoint of Westchester to GZ is about 20 miles....meaning you have no reason to worry if a mosque, SINagogue, Church, or Temple or anything is built at GZ. The MSM has riled up everyone's emotions over a mosque/Islam/Imam by equating them all with terrosism...I am surprised no one has dragged up Khalid Sheik Mohammed yet?...Yet the MSM has said nothing of arresting the FRAUDS at GOLDMAN SACHS (BTW I am still waiting on you to go there and arrest someone...I will take anyone at this point) who are the REAL TERRORIST attacking americans everyday...
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #115 on: August 13, 2010, 12:45:40 PM »
Woodlawn section of Yonkers/Bronx right next to the Woodlawn Cemetary.

Actually many famous people are buried in there.   

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #116 on: August 25, 2010, 07:04:36 PM »
Poll: Most (72% !) Say "Ground Zero Mosque" Is Inappropriate
CBS ^ | August 25, 2010 | Alex Sundby




A majority of Americans don't think it is appropriate to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center two blocks from the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, according to a new CBS News poll.

Nearly three of four Americans -- 72 percent -- say building a mosque so close to the site is not appropriate while just 22 percent say it is appropriate.

How one views Islam informs how they feel about the proposed construction of the mosque near Ground Zero. Those who have a favorable opinion of Islam are more inclined to think the mosque is appropriate with 50 percent calling it appropriate and 42 percent saying it isn't. Those who view Islam unfavorably decidedly think it's inappropriate 88 percent going against it to 9 percent.


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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #117 on: August 25, 2010, 07:13:31 PM »
Poll: Most (72% !) Say "Ground Zero Mosque" Is Inappropriate
CBS ^ | August 25, 2010 | Alex Sundby




A majority of Americans don't think it is appropriate to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center two blocks from the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, according to a new CBS News poll.

Nearly three of four Americans -- 72 percent -- say building a mosque so close to the site is not appropriate while just 22 percent say it is appropriate.

How one views Islam informs how they feel about the proposed construction of the mosque near Ground Zero. Those who have a favorable opinion of Islam are more inclined to think the mosque is appropriate with 50 percent calling it appropriate and 42 percent saying it isn't. Those who view Islam unfavorably decidedly think it's inappropriate 88 percent going against it to 9 percent.

Interesting how roughly the same percentage of people agree (and/or disagree) that it's inappropriate to build the mosque there but also that the developers have the right to build it.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #118 on: August 26, 2010, 06:22:40 AM »
What I find more interesting is that people don't know the difference between a right and a privilege
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #119 on: August 26, 2010, 06:28:35 AM »
No wonder Imam Obama supports the mosque.As with everything he does,if its against the will of Americans,he is for it.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #120 on: August 26, 2010, 06:31:14 AM »
Obama is nothing more than a lying, thieving, plundering, stealing, grifting, pofs.   

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #121 on: August 31, 2010, 10:24:23 AM »
Seven in 10 NYers want mosque moved
NY Post ^ | 8/31/10 | CARL CAMPANILE


Move the mosque!

Seven in ten New Yorkers say the proposed mosque/Islamic community center near Ground Zero should be relocated because of opposition from 9/11 families — and an equal number want state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to probe the group’s finances, a new statewide poll released today found.

“Overwhelmingly — across party and regional lines — New Yorkers say the sponsors ought to voluntarily move the proposed mosque to another location,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

The survey of 1,497 of New York residents found:

* 54 percent agree that “freedom of religion” gives Muslims the legal right to build the mosque on Park Place, while 40 percent disagreed and the rest were undecided.

* But 53 percent also said Muslim developers should not be allowed to build the mosque near the World Trade Center site in deference to sensitivities of 9/11 relatives, with 39 percent opposed and the rest undecided.


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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #122 on: August 31, 2010, 10:59:01 AM »
Seven in 10 NYers want mosque moved
NY Post ^ | 8/31/10 | CARL CAMPANILE


Move the mosque!

Seven in ten New Yorkers say the proposed mosque/Islamic community center near Ground Zero should be relocated because of opposition from 9/11 families — and an equal number want state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to probe the group’s finances, a new statewide poll released today found.

“Overwhelmingly — across party and regional lines — New Yorkers say the sponsors ought to voluntarily move the proposed mosque to another location,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

The survey of 1,497 of New York residents found:

* 54 percent agree that “freedom of religion” gives Muslims the legal right to build the mosque on Park Place, while 40 percent disagreed and the rest were undecided.

* But 53 percent also said Muslim developers should not be allowed to build the mosque near the World Trade Center site in deference to sensitivities of 9/11 relatives, with 39 percent opposed and the rest undecided.


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And here's the real poll, not the cut-and-paste version 240 posted.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #123 on: August 31, 2010, 11:50:25 AM »
Bloomberg’s Ground Zero Mosque Dividend
by  Robert Spencer

08/31/2010



New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has continued to portray his support for the construction of an Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero as the moral high ground. But Bloomberg may be getting more out of this than just the glow of moral sanctity—billions more, in fact, courtesy his business dealings in Muslim countries. 

If the mega-mosque at Ground Zero isn’t built, Bloomberg said, the terrorists win: “We would compromise our commitment to fighting terror with freedom. We would undercut the values and principles that so many heroes died protecting. We would feed the false impressions that some Americans have about Muslims. We would send a signal around the world that Muslim Americans may be equal in the eyes of the law, but separate in the eyes of their countrymen. And we would hand a valuable propaganda tool to terrorist recruiters, who spread the fallacy that America is at war with Islam.”

There are numerous indications, however, that fighting terrorism and standing against bigotry are not the only things that Bloomberg has in mind when he stands with mosque proponents. His moral high ground is questionable in any case, since Bloomberg claims to be standing against terror and bigotry with Ground Zero mega-mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who refuses to denounce the jihad terror group Hamas, and is an open proponent of sharia, the Islamic legal system that relegates non-Muslims and women to a second-class status that denies them numerous basic rights.

But raising more pointed questions are Bloomberg’s increasing business dealings in the Islamic world. In October 2008, Bloomberg’s financial data and news corporation announced that it was expanding operations in Dubai, making its office there into one of the corporation’s regional hubs and quadrupling its staff in the process. Bloomberg Middle East and South Asia chief Max Linnington announced proudly: “We are going to be bringing all the elements of what you would find in one of Bloomberg’s largest offices here in Dubai.”

And in the spring of 2009, Bloomberg opened a news bureau in Abu Dhabi, joining its existing offices not only in Dubai, but in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. And Bloomberg Chairman and Managing Director Peter T. Grauer announced plans to expand Dubai operations still more: “Central to our growth strategy is the doubling of staff strength in Dubai office, our 10th regional hub, from 48 to 100 people within a year…. We will be investing not just in more people but also in infrastructure to support clients in the region.”

Grauer revealed that while Bloomberg was taking a bath worldwide, business was booming in the Middle East: “Despite the difficulties faced by the financial sector in the economic turmoil, our terminal sales in the region grew by 2% in the past nine months, when globally we faced a major setback.” Khaleej Times reported that “the New York-based company has drawn up a five-year plan that will see it achieving a two-fold increase in revenue from the Middle East region by 2014.”

Imagine how quickly that revenue stream would dry up if Bloomberg sided with the people whom Rauf and other leaders of the Ground Zero mosque initiative are busy smearing as “Islamophobes” and “bigots.” When his company is doing poorly worldwide except in the Middle East, it couldn’t have been hard for Bloomberg to see on which side his bread was buttered.

Business decisions are business decisions. But if Bloomberg was making a business decision when he came out so strongly in favor of the mega-mosque, he would have been more honest, and admirable, if he had just said so. He might even have retained some respectability if he had simply said that his business commitments in the Middle East made for a conflict of interest, and recused himself from the debate over the Ground Zero mega-mosque. But that conflict of interest does make his moral dudgeon over the mosque opponents appear hollow and hypocritical. It isn’t easy to be a saint, and it’s even harder when the material rewards for striking a saintly pose are as ample as they are for Saint Bloomberg of Brookline.



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Mr. Spencer is director of Jihad Watch and author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), The Truth About Muhammad (both from Regnery—a Human Events sister company) and most recently coauthor of Pamela Geller’s The Post-American Presidency (Simon & Schuster).



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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #124 on: August 31, 2010, 11:53:00 AM »
BarenakedIslam did a great piece of this Bloomberg deal a few weeks ago. It makes complete sense now why dhimmi Bloomberg is championing this mosque.