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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dantelis on August 13, 2010, 08:36:28 AM
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This study seems to back Chick's statement that the key to bodybuilding isn't related to how much you can lift, but how much you look like you can lift. Article states, "Researchers from McMaster University found that lifting lighter weights for longer is just as effective at bulking up the body. The secret is to pump iron until you reach muscle fatigue." Looks like this backs Serge Nubret's routine of lifting lighter weights for more reps. (Lighter relative to most bodybuilders at the time. Probably quite heavy to most amateur bodybuilders.) Certainly wouldn't mind having the same results as Serge. He had a great physique.
Want bulging muscles? Why lighter weights are the key to pumping iron
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1302415/Want-bulging-muscles-Why-lighter-weights-key-pumping-iron.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1302415/Want-bulging-muscles-Why-lighter-weights-key-pumping-iron.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
(http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/fbbuploads/med_1243187533-Serge_Nubret__011__.jpg)
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oh no, another fatigue vs overload vs pump vs volume vs weight debate. oh brother.
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muscles get stressed, they grow
no debate about how to stress them
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apply the user vs natural dynamic to the pumping vs heavy lifting argument.
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I prefer to lift weights and be fucking strong regardless of how I look as a man my first perogative is to be strong. Let's see How the "how much you look like you can lift ... Helps in a fight.
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Let's see How the "how much you look like you can lift ... Helps in a fight.
::) Oh brother
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that photo of Serge looks fantastic!! :o
It was a sad day when the thin waist left the bodybuilding stage.
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I prefer to lift weights and be fucking strong regardless of how I look as a man my first perogative is to be strong. Let's see How the "how much you look like you can lift ... Helps in a fight.
Yeah, I'm worried about "fighting"............ ::)
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I prefer to lift weights and be fucking strong regardless of how I look as a man my first perogative is to be strong. Let's see How the "how much you look like you can lift ... Helps in a fight.
yes because benching 400 makes u a great fighter..... on the other hand looking like you can bench 400 will scare most off so there will never even be a fight :D
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I prefer to lift weights and be fucking strong regardless of how I look as a man my first perogative is to be strong. Let's see How the "how much you look like you can lift ... Helps in a fight.
Ah so you re one of those people who think just because you can lift a few weights youre a bad ass fighter!! My lord theres so many of you out there its unreal.
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old news............all roads lead to rome
you can increase load, increase repititions, increase volume.....
that whole Super heavy weight school., in most cases, does little more then get you hurt
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Bullshit.
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old news............all roads lead to rome
you can increase load, increase repititions, increase volume.....
that whole Super heavy weight school., in most cases, does little more then get you hurt
QFT
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I prefer to lift weights and be fucking strong regardless of how I look as a man my first perogative is to be strong. Let's see How the "how much you look like you can lift ... Helps in a fight.
what helps in a real fight to the death is a gun,ref chris rock. muscle and bone is no match for cold steel.
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Ah so you re one of those people who think just because you can lift a few weights youre a bad ass fighter!! My lord theres so many of you out there its unreal.
no my friend I was a fighter before I ever touched a weight
what I'm saying in strength is and should be the main goal ... I have both size and strength... But to me strength is my goal... Simple
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no my friend I was a fighter before I ever touched a weight
what I'm saying in strength is and should be the main goal ... I have both size and strength... But to me strength is my goal... Simple
Explain
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what helps in a real fight to the death is a gun,ref chris rock. muscle and bone is no match for cold steel.
Ah. The riddle of steel. You know what it is, don't you, boy?
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Explain because you are????
What you need take from what I said is
In my opinion any real man likes to be strong not only
LOOK like he's strong.
Peace
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mesomorph is a beast who benches 4 plates a side like its paper, darren avey is a wanna-be tough guy twink who benches 185 for a double. ;D
if your muscle has gotten bigger, then it has also gotten stronger. a muscle can get stronger without getting bigger, but never bigger without getting stronger. that doesnt mean that you must powerlift to get huge. reps in the 6-8 range (average) is still best for hypertrophy. you need to get stronger in that rep range.
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mesomorph is a beast who benches 4 plates a side like its paper, darren avey is a wanna-be tough guy twink who benches 185 for a double. ;D
if your muscle has gotten bigger, then it has also gotten stronger. a muscle can get stronger without getting bigger, but never bigger without getting stronger. that doesnt mean that you must powerlift to get huge. reps in the 6-8 range (average) is still best for hypertrophy. you need to get stronger in that rep range.
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"a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle"
doesn't mean big legs = bigger squat because more than just legs are involved
same thing with benching and delts/triceps
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Serge is a nice example because we all know how weak he was. ::)
(http://www.scottandrewbird.com/sttbimages/posts/070814_sergenubret.jpg)
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Come to London Shootfighters you big strong men, theres guys there who can just about bench 225 for one who ll break you in half in seconds
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Explain because you are????
What you need take from what I said is
In my opinion any real man likes to be strong not only
LOOK like he's strong.
Peace
Ive seen your videos yeh youre strong how that makes you a born fighter i dont know, running the streets of South London with Gary Lloyd Nelson i guess?!! ::)
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Ive seen your videos yeh youre strong how that makes you a born fighter i dont know, running the streets of South London with Gary Lloyd Nelson i guess?!! ::)
you've seen me pushing weight that's it do you know me... ?
Or anything about me.... ? Do I know or give a fuck who Gary nelson is?
Exactly ... I'm not gonna get drawn into a troll match so
I suggest you debate the subject of the thread... I've stated my opnion on the subject of the thread...
I suggest you do the same
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Come to London Shootfighters you big strong men, theres guys there who can just about bench 225 for one who ll break you in half in seconds
Kudos to your friend from the slum.
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You re black and from South London and you ve never heard of him! Hes liek the black Lenny Mclean, even the Adams are wary of him!
As for the subject ive got much better definition and shape since switching to moderate weight when going heavy i was always injuring myself
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I don't know any of those people your talking about.
I'm not saying moderate weights don't have their place what I'm sayin is every man should strive to be strong. Heavy is. Relative .. But a man should strive to be strong not just have big muscles. Just my opinion. For me the big muscles are a bonus of lifting weight.
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::) Oh brother
Exactly, like his strength will really be a factor when Swede knocks him the fuck out... ::)
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Swede?Who is this Swede?Why does everyone on here think hes such a bad boy?Maybe he should be in the UFC or a champion boxer?
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Swede is, or was, as bad as they come - nicknamed the Slaughter of Sweden( -> wikipedia under hatecrimes).
Unfortunately even the best go down....
borrowed lots of money and forgot to pay it back...
some dudes from the mob put him into a car compactor, which left him in his current deformed state.
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some dudes from the mob put him into a car compactor, which left him in his current deformed state.
hahahahahaaahahahahhahah aha ;D
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Ah. The riddle of steel. You know what it is, don't you, boy?
william smith ad libbed that speech.
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william smith ad libbed that speech.
I never knew that. I was going for the James Earl Jones 'what is steel compared to the hand that weilds it' part tho. Seemed like a good chance to call someone 'boy.' :D
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Serge is a nice example because we all know how weak he was. ::)
(http://www.scottandrewbird.com/sttbimages/posts/070814_sergenubret.jpg)
Pics like that were taken purely for show. In Serge's own words when he posted on I believe Ironage he could bench over 400, but he himself said his size was not responsible from lifting heavy weights.
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Pics like that were taken purely for show. In Serge's own words when he posted on I believe Ironage he could bench over 400, but he himself said his size was not responsible from lifting heavy weights.
Well, English wasn't Serge's first language.
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if your muscle has gotten bigger, then it has also gotten stronger. a muscle can get stronger without getting bigger, but never bigger without getting stronger.
That doesn’t pan out in the real world.
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Well, English wasn't Serge's first language.
Steroids are the universal language.
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That doesn’t pan out in the real world.
Wer're talking about tbomz, here.
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I stick to 5-10 reps and I got the best of both worlds. Not the biggest nor the strongest. Nice combination of both
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Powerful looking man right there.
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Seems to me that all the article is saying is that you can build some muscle by lifting light weight to muscular failure/fatigue. I would much rather lift the heavier weight and get it done quicker than lifting light weight for 24 reps.
"The findings would have implications for people with weaker muscles including the elderly, patients with cancer, or those who are recovering from trauma"
Also as stated by the guy on the bottom 'While there’s certainly evidence that it’s possible to build some muscle with lighter weights and longer duration, there’s an overwhelming body of evidence that says we need the opposite for the best results.
'If we were talking about other health and fitness benefits there’s a whole load of good reasons for not going so heavy, but not when it comes to bodybuilding.'
All this article show is that you can build a bit of muscle by lifting for 24 reps.
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holy shit serge looking good
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Swede?Who is this Swede?Why does everyone on here think hes such a bad boy?Maybe he should be in the UFC or a champion boxer?
Settle Down "Dangly Ovary" its only the internet ::)
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That doesn’t pan out in the real world.
Indeed. In fact I remember reading a ghost-written Ronnie Coleman article stating the exact oposite. I personally believe you can do volume training with lighter weights and gain muscle but not strength. But if you lift a heavier weight each week, even if it's not the best way to build muscle it still forces the muscle to expand one way or another.
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I like the endorphin rush and the way my central nervous system responds in the 5-8 rep range. I don't get the same release going 15-20. As much I want to build the body I've become addicted to that chemical and emotional release to balance out my other life...I just don't feel as satisfied.
Of course, I'm more prone to injury as well.... :-\
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I'm sure this is true, for anyone but bodybuilders. Serves us no purpose. Schmoes have been at it for years and there will never be a revolutionary training protocol that will shock and awe.
Like it was said before, all roads lead to Rome. No Tokyo bullet train solution will be presented. Challenge your muscles continually but with cognizance. Too many fags with their head in the clouds. This is only happy news for people with zero muscle to begin with.
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I don't know any of those people your talking about.
I'm not saying moderate weights don't have their place what I'm sayin is every man should strive to be strong. Heavy is. Relative .. But a man should strive to be strong not just have big muscles. Just my opinion. For me the big muscles are a bonus of lifting weight.
mes, trust me here..after a certain age getting stronger becomes irrelevant. After I crossed 30 getting stronger wasn't/isn't my focal point at the gym. The only thing that I fight is is the belly fat, lol, some times it wins
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I hear you man... 8)
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Here is another article on the study: (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19330-muscle-lab-bulk-up-with-the-science-of-bodybuilding.html) The New Scientist does a good job of breaking down the basic formula for building and regaining muscle:
- lift weights consistently to muscle fatigue (and not necessarily heavy - "...production of new muscle proteins was greatest when the men were lifting the relatively light weights – at 30 per cent of their maximum – until they were fatigued, and couldn't lift any more.")
- muscle memory is a fact and muscle can be regained more easily by those who've "permanently changed" the muscle through previous weightlifting
- "overly arduous workouts could work your muscles into oblivion" damaging muscle cells that die off
- diet should be: 25-30% protein, 55-60% carbs and 15-20% fat.
I have to say if Serge built his body by lifting relatively light weights, which kept him from injuring himself, I am a convert. (Sad to see so many current bodybuilders with the muscle and tendon tears. Makes you wonder if that is due to lifting too much weight or is related to problems with steroid and GH use.) I'd much rather have a body like Serge's and be injury free than to know that I was able to do a 600 lb bench press. In the end, the women are going to flock to a body like Serge's; they aren't going to come up and ask, "how much do you bench?" like a guy would. (Don't know about you, I am not building my body to impress the guys.)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/168/images/Serge_NUBRET_47.jpg)
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(http://galleries.plumperworld.com/1/9i/6.jpg)
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Who the fuck just wants to look strong? I want to be strong and look strong.
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Who the fuck just wants to look strong? I want to be strong and look strong.
agree 100-% I can't imagine what kind of man would want to look strong and not be strong....
Sissy
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(http://galleries.plumperworld.com/1/9i/6.jpg)
She looks like the 'don't just stare at it, eat it' girl but those panties really don't suit her.
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no my friend I was a fighter before I ever touched a weight
what I'm saying in strength is and should be the main goal ... I have both size and strength... But to me strength is my goal... Simple
whats your "fight" record there champ? you brought up the fighting comment, now you backpedal and yap about strength is your goal.
if you knew fuck-all about fighting then you wouldnt have said that shit
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She looks like the 'don't just stare at it, eat it' girl but those panties really don't suit her.
30 - 40 years from now, her current photo will be featured in one of Eyeball Chambers' WUHI threads.
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30 - 40 years from now, her current photo will be featured in one of Eyeball Chambers' WUHI threads.
No wonder she looks so depressed.
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No wonder she looks so depressed.
;D
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120 lb concentration curls.
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120 lb concentration curls.
Case in point...you are strong and can do lots of lbs on concentration curls, but your arms look shit. I'd rather do 30-40 lbs on concentrations curls, with less chance of injury, and have arms like Serge's than to know that I could do 120 lbs.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=345484.0;attach=380548;image)
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I do not go above 70lbs now on barbell curls. I can easily curl 80lb DB's but don't see the point nor do I enjoy it.
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damn that dude looks awesome
bigger than id wana be but wow
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whats your "fight" record there champ? you brought up the fighting comment, now you backpedal and yap about strength is your goal.
if you knew fuck-all about fighting then you wouldnt have said that shit
..... "wow"
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Nonsense.
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Case in point...you are strong and can do lots of lbs on concentration curls, but your arms look shit. I'd rather do 30-40 lbs on concentrations curls, with less chance of injury, and have arms like Serge's than to know that I could do 120 lbs.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=345484.0;attach=380548;image)
This is the last known pic of of Method101 I think. He said his arms were much bigger than this before he went to timeout. But back on topic I had a friend that could squat like 500 lbs around weighed like 170 he thighs looked like sticks. Neuromuscular efficiency I think its called where as a peson is able to use more of the nervous system and brain to recruit more muscle fibers in action.
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The idea is to stimulate growth with the least amount of work, simple. Overload by going to failure and get the fuck out
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whats your "fight" record there champ? you brought up the fighting comment, now you backpedal and yap about strength is your goal.
if you knew fuck-all about fighting then you wouldnt have said that shit
..... Uh huh
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The idea is to stimulate growth with the least amount of work, simple. Overload by going to failure and get the fuck out
I do not agree with constantly going to failure. Very taxing on the body
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The idea is to stimulate growth with the least amount of work, simple. Overload by going to failure and get the fuck out
You also need volume....its another form of overload and it increases workload capacity.
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I try to keep my muscles under tension for a minute holding peak contraction for 2 seconds per rep and going for sets of 10-20 reps on everything. Low reps with tons of momentum do nothing for my body. I loss my appetite, and size. Everything goes flat. Serge maybe have used light weights, but his workouts were brutal. 10 sets of 20 rep bench presses aren't easy. You really have to go through the pain barrier.
Doing a set of barbell curls with 95lbs peak contraction, slowly for 15 (lasting over a minute) is a hell of a lot harder then swinging 125 for 8 reps for example (lasting 20 seconds). Have some muscular endurance, it helps you a lot more in the real world.
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..... Uh huh
well chief i am waiting to hear about your big fighting record...still backpedalling eh?
you claimed to be a "fighter"...I am calling you out and calling typical bullshit
lets hear more of your expert fighting vs strength knowledge jaggoff
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well chief i am waiting to hear about your big fighting record...still backpedalling eh?
you claimed to be a "fighter"...I am calling you out and calling typical bullshit
lets hear more of your expert fighting vs strength knowledge jaggoff
fascinating
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"Mesmorph78" wont answer you sgt, ive already asked him seems he thinks hes above people and doesnt have to explain himself
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Ive seen your videos yeh youre strong how that makes you a born fighter i dont know, running the streets of South London with Gary Lloyd Nelson i guess?!! ::)
::) gary nelson is a child, a weak minded child.
who could not wipe the cum off lenny mcleans balls.
lenny was a real man that used his first to handle his business, gary nelson is a coward that shoots people and is rotting in jail, most likely being made someonse bitch as i type this.
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It's not even that...
It's just that for some strange reason I don't really care what you or "sgt barnes" think?
:-\
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Come to London Shootfighters you big strong men, theres guys there who can just about bench 225 for one who ll break you in half in seconds
Whats a shootfighter?
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old news............all roads lead to rome
you can increase load, increase repititions, increase volume.....
that whole Super heavy weight school., in most cases, does little more then get you hurt
"old news............all roads lead to rome
you can increase load, increase repititions, increase volume....."
Agreed
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I looked strong and was strong. Is that better?
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You re a geniune bad ass noworries. I have no doubt about that, the others are all fakes.