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There was an interview by Rod Labbe in the September 2010 issue of Iron Man Magazine, starting on page 142, here is the cover but that is NOT Chet on the cover :
(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/sep2010-cover-300.jpg)
This is part of Iron Man's "Legends of Bodybuilding" series of interviews and was the first one I had read but I quite enjoyed the column as it contained a lot of very specific trivia regarding ironage bodybuilding and Rod asked intelligent questions.
Anyway, in the interview, Chet was insistent that natural bodybuilding is better than juiced bodybuilding and even stated "The only people I cater to are natural bodybuilders; I don't care about the druggers."
Here is a video of him at age 70:
The first photo attached is of Chet at his prime when he was 6'0 and 220 pounds in contest condition. The second photo attached is from Chet posing at the 2006 IFPA Yorton Cup - the contest named after Chet. He is 67 years old in that photo.
I'm asking this question because Chet was absolutely staunchly opposed to steroids. If Chet is or was indeed juiced, how is it possible for people to live lives in denial like that? ??? It reminds me of gay people I know who literally live their entire lives as straight men and even have families, in some cases even bashing gays, only to themselves come out of the closet much later in life. This kind of denial is shocking to me.
Can either rendition of Chet be a "natural" physique?
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no
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I doubt it and ' natural ' these days means I don't have enough money for HGH and IGF
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Matt are you suffering from depression or somthing ? ???
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lol..Actually, it's an excellent question. Makes you wonder WTF's up with Chet.
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I trained at Yorton's old gym in the late 70's in Vegas when i was a teenager. He always looked great, was always against steroids and swore up and down he didn't take them. Either he's one of the world's best naturals or he's a pathological liar. But on a board like this, where 98% of the guys think 165 cut is the natural limit, I know what the answer will be.
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67 year old gym rat! How cool is that! 8)
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I think he is natural.
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Lets put it this way, is there anyone on this site that tells the whole truth?
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I'm going to start juicing when I'm 70 yo.
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I'm going to start juicing when I'm 70 yo.
Not a bad idea. At that point, you're most likely pretty care-free - right?
I may do the same. Roid-rage at the retirement manor.
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If he isn't natural, he has been taking steroids longer than anyone, because he always looks good. He looks to be in good health.
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I doubt it and ' natural ' these days means I don't have enough money for HGH and IGF
I think it has more to do with test levels found is nature. Buffalo and Oxen have simliiar test levels, yet there is no animal in nature that has the hormone levels of fridge.
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lol..Actually, it's an excellent question. Makes you wonder WTF's up with Chet.
There are numerous homosexual [bisexual?] guys I know that were married and who had children who only then opened up about their homosexuality. How does something like that happen? Another bisexual person I know is also the most hostile person that I know to homosexuals. He will bash gays left and right yet he himself is either gay or bi. If Chet is on juice, he must have been using for literally 50 years. How can such a person be in denial? Is it out of self-hatred? I just don't understand that type of mentality.
Or Chet is natural and has some of the best genetics in the history of bodybuilding.
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I think he might be "natural"
I think he'd win in a rematch against Arnold
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No way Chet Yorton is or was natural. ALL the top guys in the 60's who ever graced a magazine cover took something at one time or another. You don't compete against guys like Draper, Pearl, Sergio, Zane without taking steroids. Chuck Sipes was a huge juicer as well. They all lied. And yes many were pathological liars. Why is that so hard for people to believe? These guys entire lives revolved around bodybuilding. The honest guys will tell you that they didn't really know what they were taking and thought it was vitamins or what not. John Grimek used dbol for a short period of time. So for Chet to say he never used anything is bullshit.
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He's not natural...
HE S THE PROOF THAT REASONNABLE DOSE OF STEROID ARE GOOD FOR THE HEALTH.
Lot of iron-ager are pathetic liar, it's an ego trip,
"i benched 500lbs and squatted 800 with 25 mg oral primobolan"
"once i've tried androtardyl, 250mg a week for 4 week, i benched 220lbs for 55 reps at the end..."
Is the kind of thing you can hear at my gym from "iron ager", the pathetic thing is that they all got busted or tested positive for roids.
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The guy was about 6' tall and 200lbs, and far from shredded, which wasn't in vogue in those days. I don't believe he needed juice to do it. Now that he is much older, he may very well be using, but I don't think he was in his prime.
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He's not natural...
HE S THE PROOF THAT REASONNABLE DOSE OF STEROID ARE GOOD FOR THE HEALTH.
Lot of iron-ager are pathetic liar, it's an ego trip,
"i benched 500lbs and squatted 800 with 25 mg oral primobolan"
"once i've tried androtardyl, 250mg a week for 4 week, i benched 220lbs for 55 reps at the end..."
Is the kind of thing you can hear at my gym from "iron ager", the pathetic thing is that they all got busted or tested positive for roids.
uggh, those iron age retards are the worst.....its some kind of bizarre badge of honor, who could out under-juice who
"back then the ciba dbol was so strong, you only needed a tablet or two per week...........and even then, only in the month prior to the contest"
when in reality they were taking handfuls of it, there is an old story of sergio oliva literally taking a HANDFUL with each meal.........that not an exaggeation, he would literally pull out a tub of them, and scoop out a handful, EACH TIME HE ATE
every old guy no matter what he does has his "back in the day we were so much better because........." story
bunch of old liars sucking each others cocks over there, not realizing that they are only lying to themselves
ever since there was BODYBUILDING, drugs have been a inseparably huge component.............th ese old fucks had no more qualms about taking drugs then guys today, there was just less kinds around, and the knowledge wasnt all there
anyone who thinks Chet didnt use drugs, and still uses drugs, is retarded..............no tice how much water bloat all these old guy were carrying at low levels of bodyfat, thats from androgens, no one else carries water bloat when their body is in single digit bodyfat levels
(http://www.davedraper.com/site%20images/chet-yorton-1967.jpg)
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of course he's natural.
dbol doesnt count ::)
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Worth repeating, even after all these years...
http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/bul2c11.htm (http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/bul2c11.htm)
Just read that. Thanks for posting.
uggh, those iron age retards are the worst.....its some kind of bizarre badge of honor, who could out under-juice who
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Oh man, that's so funny, but also true. Great post other than this too. Accurate overall assessment I would say.
of course he's natural.
dbol doesnt count ::)
Maybe "natural" is being defined as anabolic steroids only and no GH/insulin?
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uggh, those iron age retards are the worst.....its some kind of bizarre badge of honor, who could out under-juice who
"back then the ciba dbol was so strong, you only needed a tablet or two per week...........and even then, only in the month prior to the contest"when in reality they were taking handfuls of it, there is an old story of sergio oliva literally taking a HANDFUL with each meal.........that not an exaggeation, he would literally pull out a tub of them, and scoop out a handful, EACH TIME HE ATE
every old guy no matter what he does has his "back in the day we were so much better because........." story
bunch of old liars sucking each others cocks over there, not realizing that they are only lying to themselves
ever since there was BODYBUILDING, drugs have been a inseparably huge component.............th ese old fucks had no more qualms about taking drugs then guys today, there was just less kinds around, and the knowledge wasnt all there
anyone who thinks Chet didnt use drugs, and still uses drugs, is retarded..............no tice how much water bloat all these old guy were carrying at low levels of bodyfat, thats from androgens, no one else carries water bloat when their body is in single digit bodyfat levels
(http://www.davedraper.com/site%20images/chet-yorton-1967.jpg)
epic quote, at my gym it's "six week at 250 mg of androtardyl six month before contest, that was all but back in the day we were iron warrior..."
the 500lbs bencher only with 25mg primo tablet is also know for epic jaundice that lead him to hospital and depression...
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There's no way Chet Yorton was natural.
But Ronnie from Jersey Shore is. ;)
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There's no way Chet Yorton was natural.
But Ronnie from Jersey Shore is. ;)
lol
I was just thinking, Chet is as natural as Ronnie... ;D
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As clean as my toilette.
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100% natural and beat Arnold Schwarzenegger in a contest. Imagine the potential he had if he was on. ::)
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About as natural as Michael Jackson's face.
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No way Chet Yorton is or was natural. ALL the top guys in the 60's who ever graced a magazine cover took something at one time or another. You don't compete against guys like Draper, Pearl, Sergio, Zane without taking steroids. Chuck Sipes was a huge juicer as well. They all lied. And yes many were pathological liars. Why is that so hard for people to believe? These guys entire lives revolved around bodybuilding. The honest guys will tell you that they didn't really know what they were taking and thought it was vitamins or what not. John Grimek used dbol for a short period of time. So for Chet to say he never used anything is bullshit.
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chet started a natural bodybuilding organization and when he found out that one of his proteges ken cole was a juicer it was said that he shed a tear.
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holy shit thatr old fuker in shape unless its photoedit
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holy shit thatr old fuker in shape unless its photoedit
Is that a pussy pulling physique? Can one still pull mad pussy at 67? Bah!
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uggh, those iron age retards are the worst.....its some kind of bizarre badge of honor, who could out under-juice who
;D ;D ;D
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Is this true about ironagers?:
uggh, those iron age retards are the worst.....its some kind of bizarre badge of honor, who could out under-juice who
;D ;D ;D
First off, from a point of view of addictive personalities, I reject the notion that ironagers juiced less because they had superior morals. In my view, the reality is that they abused fewer drugs solely because fewer drugs existed at the time to abuse.
It reminds me of when people say Native Americans were goodly/spiritual and "in touch with nature". In reality, as soon as they arrived in the Americas in Alaska by way of the Siberian land bridge, all sorts of mass extinction events took place. For example, Europeans brought horses to North America that were hunted to extinction by Native Americans.
This example is relevant because I think it is very dishonest to claim the moral high ground at a time where there was no such intention to be moral. Crap movies like "Avatar" offend me as a White man and as a supporter of modern bodybuilding, I also disagree with notions of moral superiority of yesteryear compared to today.
In my opinion, ironagers had the same mentality as bodybuilders today; that being that they would do whatever it took to be the biggest and the best in bodybuilding.
Another thing is is that I think that ironagers do not take issues with physiques built on anabolics [even if those anabolics were abused], but seem to have an issue with the aesthetic problems that arise when a person puts on too much size - usually size attained from using insulin, GH, IGF-1, etc.
It's annoying the same sort of way as it would be annoying for alcoholics to judge people for smoking marijuana or something along those lines.
Discuss.
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This guy's whole life is a lie.
Worth repeating, even after all these years...
http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/bul2c11.htm (http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/bul2c11.htm)
Great article. I assume by Arthur Jones? Ironically Jones lied about Casey Viator's use of drugs (during the CO experiement). :-\
Bodybuilding = all bullshit
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They didn't call Zane "The Chemist" because he taught math and chemistry.
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uggh, those iron age retards are the worst.....its some kind of bizarre badge of honor, who could out under-juice who
;D ;D ;D
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Although I, as well, find it very hard to believe Yorton was steroid -free, I think it is within the realms of human physiology to attain his development without drugs. You'd have to have one in 10 million type genetics and produce higher than normal amounts of testosterone.....but it could be possible. However, one of the most "respected" old timers is Bill Pearl. He always claimed he was natural at the 71 Mr. Universe where he also said he weighed 240 pounds and I think he's barely 6 feet. He also said for many years he was drug free...and then later admitted he used the drug Nilevar in the early 60's...but then never used again. Yet, he somehow is bigger and more muscular years later, drug free. And again Pearl is supposed to be one of the most "honorable" men in the sport. So I doubt Yorton's story as well, although I do think it is possible.
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;D ;D ;D
lol, im gald you liked that one :D :D
it true, that everyone, not only bodybuilders have this euphoric recall when it comes to the past...........we worked harder, we used less, it was more about the love fo the game
its all bullshit............its a fact old guys get grouchy and like to shit on up and comers...........it surely hypocritical, from a semantic point of view.........to say that anabolics are ok, but insulin/HGH is bad..............but from an aesthetic point of view, it is kinda true that physiques today have moved from the realm of beauty like zane and arnold to disproportioned monsters
and as far as the whole 'noble savage' thing with the native americans......that they were these peaceful wanders dancing arcoss the western plain in harmony with nature
its fucking bullshit...........they only reason they were "eco neutral" was because they were not smart enough to invent ANYTHING.............and they were savagely violent, killing each other constantly, tribal war, kill them men,kill the babies, absorb the women into the tribe
as a matter of fact, there is a lot of evidence that there were actually caucasionoid peoples here long before native americans arrived over the land bridge..........but the former were victims of a large scale extinction committed by the "noble" native americans............loo k up "kennewick man",,,,,,,,and then figure out why most native americans from the east possess european DNA
but the native american lobby squashed all talk of this, kennewick man was buried, it isnt allowed to be even studied..........because they need their little scam to justify their casinos and welfare programs
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lol, im gald you liked that one :D :D
it true, that everyone, not only bodybuilders have this euphoric recall when it comes to the past...........we worked harder, we used less, it was more about the love fo the game
its all bullshit............its a fact old guys get grouchy and like to shit on up and comers...........it surely hypocritical, from a semantic point of view.........to say that anabolics are ok, but insulin/HGH is bad..............but from an aesthetic point of view, it is kinda true that physiques today have moved from the realm of beauty like zane and arnold to disproportioned monsters
and as far as the whole 'noble savage' thing with the native americans......that they were these peaceful wanders dancing arcoss the western plain in harmony with nature
its fucking bullshit...........they only reason they were "eco neutral" was because they were not smart enough to invent ANYTHING.............and they were savagely violent, killing each other constantly, tribal war, kill them men,kill the babies, absorb the women into the tribe
as a matter of fact, there is a lot of evidence that there were actually caucasionoid peoples here long before native americans arrived over the land bridge..........but the former were victims of a large scale extinction committed by the "noble" native americans............loo k up "kennewick man",,,,,,,,and then figure out why most native americans from the east possess european DNA
but the native american lobby squashed all talk of this, kennewick man was buried, it isnt allowed to be even studied..........because they need their little scam to justify their casinos and welfare programs
Great post!!!
You are absolutely correct that the true Native Americans were White Europeans:
And notice that the admixture of the current so-called "Native Americans" is matrilineal, proving the rape of the White women by the Siberians who came over. The concept of the "noble" Native American is just another myth to slander White people.
Ironage has a sub-forum called "The Good Old Days" which leads me to believe that it is common for ironagers to look back to the past with rose-coloured glasses.
http://www.ironage.us/yabbse/index.php/board,5.0.html
It's kind of like how when I recall my experiences in the army, I remember them all being good when in reality I hated it literally 95% of the time which is why I ultimately quit the service.
Ironage is a great site for information on classic bodybuilders, probably the best on the net actually.
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Chet taking a blood test to prove he was natural!
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TFyMwUon4KxrFM:http://www.theocbwebsite.com/YortonCups/YortonCupPagePics/YortonBloodTest.jpg&t=1)
Chet and Arnold!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/Arnold/arnoldvyorton.jpg)
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Chet taking a blood test to prove he was natural!
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TFyMwUon4KxrFM:http://www.theocbwebsite.com/YortonCups/YortonCupPagePics/YortonBloodTest.jpg&t=1)
Chet and Arnold!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/Arnold/arnoldvyorton.jpg)
now lets use our powers of logic and deductive reasoning...
1) we know arnold used steroids from a very young age
2) we know that arnold had some of the best muscle building genetics ever
3) in the photo we see chet on stage looking comparable to arnold
so what does that tell us that yorton is SUCH genetic anomaly that that he could stand on stage (natural) next to arnold, who himself was very gifted genetically.........and go pose for pose with him
chet yorton has genetics THAT much better then arnold schwarzeneggar that he didnt even have to use steroids to look the way arnold did ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Bodybuilding = all bullshit
Wiser words have never been spoken on any bodybuilding board.
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Chet taking a blood test to prove he was natural!
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TFyMwUon4KxrFM:http://www.theocbwebsite.com/YortonCups/YortonCupPagePics/YortonBloodTest.jpg&t=1)
Chet and Arnold!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/Arnold/arnoldvyorton.jpg)
Please in that top picture where he's getting tested he obviously has shrunk and looks half the size he is in the bottom picture. Also these guys used the shit out of dbol. Most orals are in and out of your system. So even if they tested for testosterone he could have still used orals and passed. drug tests especially back then didn't mean shit.
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Matt doesn't know what happened in the old days. We were all worried about side effects so that tempered what most took. Dianabol and deca-durabolin were around but I never heard of anyone using testosterone. That would have been reckless because of virilization side effects that nobody wanted. Whether some crazy guys took heaps of gear I have no idea.
After decades of using steroids the muscleheads figured out that they weren't as dangerous as the doctors had warned. The fact that few ended up dead or ill led many to experiment in later years so that today the majority of top bodybuilders use stacks and goodness knows what.
I met Chet in LA in 1968. He was a big dude but very forthright. I have no idea if he used gear or not. Those of us smaller than these huge guys always wondered how they got so big.
There is no way anyone can establish that Chet used steroids to compete in the 60s. Arguing about this is sad because it proves nothing. Chet has just as much difficulty trying to prove he didn't use any steroids.
I used 2 Dianabol a day for a couple of months but who believes that today? This was after 11 years of natural training. Yet that is exactly what I took and my ex can verify it because she got me the tablets from the hospital. I agree that most of the guys competing in those days either denied using or lied about it. It was considered cheating in those days and embarrassing to admit.
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Matt doesn't know what happened in the old days. We were all worried about side effects so that tempered what most took. Dianabol and deca-durabolin were around but I never heard of anyone using testosterone. That would have been reckless because of virilization side effects that nobody wanted. Whether some crazy guys took heaps of gear I have no idea.
After decades of using steroids the muscleheads figured out that they weren't as dangerous as the doctors had warned. The fact that few ended up dead or ill led many to experiment in later years so that today the majority of top bodybuilders use stacks and goodness knows what.
I met Chet in LA in 1968. He was a big dude but very forthright. I have no idea if he used gear or not. Those of us smaller than these huge guys always wondered how they got so big.
There is no way anyone can establish that Chet used steroids to compete in the 60s. Arguing about this is sad because it proves nothing. Chet has just as much difficulty trying to prove he didn't use any steroids.
I used 2 Dianabol a day for a couple of months but who believes that today? This was after 11 years of natural training. Yet that is exactly what I took and my ex can verify it because she got me the tablets from the hospital. I agree that most of the guys competing in those days either denied using or lied about it. It was considered cheating in those days and embarrassing to admit.
right, no one ever USED the FIRST and most ubiquitous steroid ever invented................ do you ever actually think before you post ::) ::) ::)
your like a walking parody...........you should be humiliated that you, are you
fucking moron, he is on stage with arnold, looking comparably as muscular................ he must have just the most insane genetics EVER..........that he could do naturally, what arnold did with years of steroid use
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now lets use our powers of logic and deductive reasoning...
1) we know arnold used steroids from a very young age
2) we know that arnold had some of the best muscle building genetics ever
3) in the photo we see chet on stage looking comparable to arnold
so what does that tell us that yorton is SUCH genetic anomaly that that he could stand on stage (natural) next to arnold, who himself was very gifted genetically.........and go pose for pose with him
chet yorton has genetics THAT much better then arnold schwarzeneggar that he didnt even have to use steroids to look the way arnold did ::) ::) ::) ::)
That puts it in perspective.
Maybe Chet considers anabolics only to be "drug-free" and is against GH/IGF-1/insulin and all the related side effects and lack of aesthetics that comes with it? If he truly is anabolics free as well, that is nothing short of amazing, especially given that he is still roughly the same size at over 70 years of age!
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Come on, Matt, thousands of guys have more amazing physiques than you developed. Don't profess to know what they did to get big. I so hate bullshit authorities. You are definitely NOT an expert in hypertrophy.
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Just bringing back up this thread to post this video series by Ric Drasin(contemporary and training partner of Arnold and other bodybuilding champs) on 60's-90's drug use that he actually saw during those years, relates stacks, lore, etc... Darn good series on this, and Drasin is to commended for his honesty.
As for Yorton? He looks better at his 60-70's than the natural champs of the pre-steroid era looked in their 20's-30's, that doesn't happen naturally:).
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chet was in a very bad car accident and had metal rods in his legs, it's not to hard to put ywo and two together and figure doctors gave chet steroids to build him back up, and then some.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346009.0;attach=380892;image)
I hate frank, but he looks pretty damn awesome here
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Nice interview with Drasin although it's totally for the layman who knows nothing.
It's funny to see guys on the boards post how they are using upwards of 2000mgs fo sterodis a week and they still look half as good and half as big as the guys in the 50s and 60s. LMAO! The body is only going to soak up a certain amount. The size of most of the pros is due in large part to insulin and gh. Not massive doses of test and eq.
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Nice interview with Drasin although it's totally for the layman who knows nothing.
It's funny to see guys on the boards post how they are using upwards of 2000mgs fo sterodis a week and they still look half as good and half as big as the guys in the 50s and 60s. LMAO! The body is only going to soak up a certain amount. The size of most of the pros is due in large part to insulin and gh. Not massive doses of test and eq.
Or perhaps...the guys in the 50's and 60's took a lot more than you believe.
Dont be so naive
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I think it has more to do with test levels found is nature. Buffalo and Oxen have simliiar test levels, yet there is no animal in nature that has the hormone levels of fridge.
An Ox is a male bovine (cattle) without testicles, so therefore it cannot produce test...so a male Buffalo would have higher test levels.
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Anyone who comes up with a timeline on the development and use of steroids other than that described by John Fair and Bill Starr (involving Russian coaches, John Ziegler, York testing, etc) in the late 1950's and early sixties, they need to give the exact who, what, when, where, and why.
If you're going to dispute the historians, then you come up with a plausible "alternative reality."
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Or perhaps...the guys in the 50's and 60's took a lot more than you believe.
Dont be so naive
dont crush their dreams chick..................t hey want SO BADLY to believe arnold, sergio, and zane-era guys all took a half tab of primobolon a day...........and that was only during the week of a contest
i makes them fell better about themselves
they dont realize that zane's nickname was "the chemist"..........i suppose they think he got that nickname by the way he mixed his protein powders ::) ::) ::)
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dont crush their dreams chick..................t hey want SO BADLY to believe arnold, sergio, and zane-era guys all took a half tab of primobolon a day...........and that was only during the week of a contest
i makes them fell better about themselves
they dont realize that zane's nickname was "the chemist"..........i suppose they think he got that nickname by the way he mixed his protein powders ::) ::) ::)
LOL...one of the funniest notions I've heard over the years. I like to call it "The Basile Effect". It's like the Bizzaro world fish story...throughout time, the amounts and dosages get smaller and smaller, while the old guard says things like "If we used what they used today..." when the reality is, they had BETTER shit...real, no counterfit, no one cared, wasnt illegal, etc..
Yet, some "moral compass" only allowed them to take a few tabs blah blah...
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LOL...one of the funniest notions I've heard over the years. I like to call it "The Basile Effect". It's like the Bizzaro world fish story...throughout time, the amounts and dosages get smaller and smaller, while the old guard says things like "If we used what they used today..." when the reality is, they had BETTER shit...real, no counterfit, no one cared, wasnt illegal, etc..
Yet, some "moral compass" only allowed them to take a few tabs blah blah...
So.....back to the thread...would you say Chet Yorton is a pathological liar? Or did he just have amazing genetics and amazing discipline? Please give your honest opinion.
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So.....back to the thread...would you say Chet Yorton is a pathological liar? Or did he just have amazing genetics and amazing discipline? Please give your honest opinion.
Hard to say...no way to dispute his claims, arguments on both sides can be made
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LOL...one of the funniest notions I've heard over the years. I like to call it "The Basile Effect". It's like the Bizzaro world fish story...throughout time, the amounts and dosages get smaller and smaller, while the old guard says things like "If we used what they used today..." when the reality is, they had BETTER shit...real, no counterfit, no one cared, wasnt illegal, etc..
Yet, some "moral compass" only allowed them to take a few tabs blah blah...
i totally agree..............i said in in an earlier post..............every old person has there "we were so much better, tougher, more skilled back in the day because..........." story
this is just how old bodybuilders do it.............some weird game of one-ups-man-ship to see who could out under-dose the next guy
to the extent that basile is arguing that chet yorton was clean and completely natural.
think of it. he stood next to arnold on stage and was able to hold his own..........so his genetics were that superior to the great arnold swarcheneggar that chet could look lik e arnold without using steroids ::) ::)
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i totally agree..............i said in in an earlier post..............every old person has there "we were so much better, tougher, more skilled back in the day because..........." story
this is just how old bodybuilders do it.............some weird game of one-ups-man-ship to see who could out under-dose the next guy
to the extent that basile is arguing that chet yorton was clean and completely natural.
think of it. he stood next to arnold on stage and was able to hold his own..........so his genetics were that superior to the great arnold swarcheneggar that chet could look lik e arnold without using steroids ::) ::)
Funny thing is, if you look up his contest record...he goes from placing 21st to 1st in a year...pretty tough to do when your natural at the Mr America level...
If I were a betting man, I would say that he WAS natural, then he wasn't, then he was again at the end of his IFBB days
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LOL...one of the funniest notions I've heard over the years. I like to call it "The Basile Effect". It's like the Bizzaro world fish story...throughout time, the amounts and dosages get smaller and smaller, while the old guard says things like "If we used what they used today..." when the reality is, they had BETTER shit...real, no counterfit, no one cared, wasnt illegal, etc..
Yet, some "moral compass" only allowed them to take a few tabs blah blah...
What a total nincompoop you are Chick. The guys in the sixties and seventies did all the drug trials so that later bodybuilders knew what was effective and so on. In the sixties, people were scared about cancer and side effects. No one then knew much and the medical profession was very conservative and warned against steroids. Today we know those warnings were exaggerated.
In those days it wasn't something bodybuilders admitted, especially in public. Most were ashamed to admit they used drugs to build their muscles.
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What a total nincompoop you are Chick. The guys in the sixties and seventies did all the drug trials so that later bodybuilders knew what was effective and so on. In the sixties, people were scared about cancer and side effects. No one then knew much and the medical profession was very conservative and warned against steroids. Today we know those warnings were exaggerated.
In those days it wasn't something bodybuilders admitted, especially in public. Most were ashamed to admit they used drugs to build their muscles.
Exactly...which is why the exaggerated claims of "natural status" cant be trusted. And also why claims of taking "2 d-bol only for a few months" by those before us, is an insult...
Steroids were real, cheap, th general public didnt even know what they were, and the government didnt give a rats ass....which was all the more reason that the guys took a SHITLOAD of gear.
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Hard to say...no way to dispute his claims, arguments on both sides can be made
Bob Hoffman claims that shortly after Zigler invented D-bol in the 50's , many of the top guys at York and southern Cal, started on it soon after.
The amounts and types of PED's were limited until the late 60's and early 70's.
I met Chet Yorton at an AAU show in Mass., over 30 yrs ago. Quite a gentleman, soft spoken, intelligent and a class act.
I asked him about the drug issue and he was very matter of fact about it.
He said he passed blood and urine tests and had nothing to hide. He then shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said;" What else can I do , if folks don't believe me, I can only them my test results and word as a man."
I then picked his brain for some great diet tips and practical techniques to get a better pump when training.
He loved talking training and how to get a huge pump.
He had some impressive forarms and a "movie star" , well groomed, look to him.
I always wanted to compete in one his drug tested contests, but his organization never really took off.
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bump for the amount of IDIOCY in this thread. ::) ::)
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Bob Hoffman claims that shortly after Zigler invented D-bol in the 50's , many of the top guys at York and southern Cal, started on it soon after.
The amounts and types of PED's were limited until the late 60's and early 70's.
I met Chet Yorton at an AAU show in Mass., over 30 yrs ago. Quite a gentleman, soft spoken, intelligent and a class act.
I asked him about the drug issue and he was very matter of fact about it.
He said he passed blood and urine tests and had nothing to hide. He then shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said;" What else can I do , if folks don't believe me, I can only them my test results and word as a man."
I then picked his brain for some great diet tips and practical techniques to get a better pump when training.
He loved talking training and how to get a huge pump.
He had some impressive forarms and a "movie star" , well groomed, look to him.
I always wanted to compete in one his drug tested contests, but his organization never really took off.
so chic and howard had the best and most thought out post' on this topic,and chic actually competed clean in 90 and still did ok considering his previous best the yrs before.so it's anyones guess here on chet.
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Chet had lead a pretty interesting life back in the day. He had a lot of stories, but he never went out and really flapped his lips incessantly about them.
I know that he had some pretty cool things happen when he was dabbling in the "Hollywood Scene" but he doesnt elaborate much on those either.
Chet is also largely responsible for the "natural" bodybuilding movement today.
Personally, I don't think he looks competely natural, but then none of us have really seen too many completely natural bodybuilders tap into their total potential.
Fred Hatfield talked a lot and wrote elaborate and comprehensive books on the possibilities of freaky/natural physiques, but the photos he used in his books were all known juicers.
Chet gets really adamant about being natural, but it's one of those things that nobody will ever truly know.
If you could build a body like his (granted you have the proper genetic structure) naturally, that would be really, really cool. When you look at the all natural bodybuilding mags and look at the competitors that are completely clean, it is depressing. At the same time, when you stare through the pages of Flex and MD, it is discouraging because you know your arms will never 'naturally' be bigger than your head (the one on your shoulders)
Who knows?
Everyone should try to tap into their total natural potential in the beginning. You can tell that Chet had that gifted genetic structure to work with.
Brad Pitt could easily be a top competitor if he wanted to get into bodybuilding. Those types of physiques come from genetic predisposition originally.
Ramble on...
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Bob Chick represents just about everything that is crap about modern day bodybuilding. Take gear, know the right people and bullshit all day long. What an jerk.
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dont crush their dreams chick..................t hey want SO BADLY to believe arnold, sergio, and zane-era guys all took a half tab of primobolon a day...........and that was only during the week of a contest
i makes them fell better about themselves
they dont realize that zane's nickname was "the chemist"..........i suppose they think he got that nickname by the way he mixed his protein powders ::) ::) ::)
The best way to summarize it:
uggh, those iron age retards are the worst.....its some kind of bizarre badge of honor, who could out under-juice who
;D ;D ;D
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Bob Chick represents just about everything that is crap about modern day bodybuilding. Take gear, know the right people and bullshit all day long. What an jerk.
Bob rocks
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Bob Chick represents just about everything that is crap about modern day bodybuilding. Take gear, know the right people and bullshit all day long. What an jerk.
bob chick, fucking owns pathetic basile's mind
basile is a crappy destitute old man............and like bob or not, he is livin the life..............gettin g some film work, hosting shows (he is now "the guy" in the IFBB whne it comes to MCing, PBW, lot of pull in the industry, athletes rep, supplement contract and deosnt even have to compete or be in shape
bob chick's kush life make basile's heart hurt.............lol
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bob chick, fucking owns pathetic basile's mind
basile is a crappy destitute old man............and like bob or not, he is livin the life..............gettin g some film work, hosting shows (he is now "the guy" in the IFBB whne it comes to MCing, PBW, lot of pull in the industry, athletes rep, supplement contract and deosnt even have to compete or be in shape
bob chick's kush life make basile's heart hurt.............lol
Is Vince the sort of ironage bodybuilder who take half a tab of dbol three times weekly one month each year?
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Chet had lead a pretty interesting life back in the day. He had a lot of stories, but he never went out and really flapped his lips incessantly about them.
I know that he had some pretty cool things happen when he was dabbling in the "Hollywood Scene" but he doesnt elaborate much on those either.
Chet is also largely responsible for the "natural" bodybuilding movement today.
Personally, I don't think he looks competely natural, but then none of us have really seen too many completely natural bodybuilders tap into their total potential.
Fred Hatfield talked a lot and wrote elaborate and comprehensive books on the possibilities of freaky/natural physiques, but the photos he used in his books were all known juicers.
Chet gets really adamant about being natural, but it's one of those things that nobody will ever truly know.
If you could build a body like his (granted you have the proper genetic structure) naturally, that would be really, really cool. When you look at the all natural bodybuilding mags and look at the competitors that are completely clean, it is depressing. At the same time, when you stare through the pages of Flex and MD, it is discouraging because you know your arms will never 'naturally' be bigger than your head (the one on your shoulders)
Who knows?
Everyone should try to tap into their total natural potential in the beginning. You can tell that Chet had that gifted genetic structure to work with.
Brad Pitt could easily be a top competitor if he wanted to get into bodybuilding. Those types of physiques come from genetic predisposition originally.
Ramble on...
Yea and the "natural bodybuilding movement" today is the biggest crock of shit around. To say the guys in the 60's used "shitloads" gear shows just how insecure and naive and plain clueless Chick is. Their use was hardly in the "shitload" category. I know lots of gymrats back in the day that didn't compete and they only ever used a few hundred milligrams of deca, a handful of dbol etc. There use was very tame compared to the idiots nowadays who are using a gram of test, 600 of eq, tren and winny for a cycle. And THEY DONT EVEN COMPETE!
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lol @ all the delusionals posting in this thread about how competitive bodybuilders in the 'golden era' of bodybuilding used miniscule amounts.
lets see- you find a substance that radically changes your physique in a short amount of time, giving you more muscle, strength and density than you could have ever achieved naturally.
yes, im sure they we're thinking 'well i dont want to get tooo big' and kept their dosages at a minimum, especially since they were competing against eachother.
wake the fuck up.
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lol @ all the delusionals posting in this thread about how competitive bodybuilders in the 'golden era' of bodybuilding used miniscule amounts.
lets see- you find a substance that radically changes your physique in a short amount of time, giving you more muscle, strength and density than you could have ever achieved naturally.
yes, im sure they we're thinking 'well i dont want to get tooo big' and kept their dosages at a minimum, especially since they were competing against eachother.
wake the fuck up.
They didn't need to look like Ronnie Coleman. So yeah if they were after massive size like the pros of today they would have used shitloads of gear. But most of their physiques approached a certain level and they were satisfied. In fact back then they cared a lot more about symmetry and the overall look than simply mass and size.
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They didn't need to look like Ronnie Coleman. So yeah if they were after massive size like the pros of today they would have used shitloads of gear. But most of their physiques approached a certain level and they were satisfied. In fact back then they cared a lot more about symmetry and the overall look than simply mass and size.
LOLOLOLOLOL...WOW
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Yea and the "natural bodybuilding movement" today is the biggest crock of shit around. To say the guys in the 60's used "shitloads" gear shows just how insecure and naive and plain clueless Chick is. Their use was hardly in the "shitload" category. I know lots of gymrats back in the day that didn't compete and they only ever used a few hundred milligrams of deca, a handful of dbol etc. There use was very tame compared to the idiots nowadays who are using a gram of test, 600 of eq, tren and winny for a cycle. And THEY DONT EVEN COMPETE!
BOTH Vince, Bob and even you are all correct about drugs in the "golden era".
1. Vince is correct that you didn't need a lot of drugs to win amatuer shows,(back then). The overall amatuer winners in the late 60's to early 70's were less massive than a typical national or regional champ today. Symmetry and shape were more important.
2. Bob is correct that the top guys in the Arnold era did use a fair amount of drugs. The guys in the Olympia and Universe were useing as much as they could of the available drugs. The biggest shows had more massive, freaky guys ( like Arnold and Sergio) even back then.
3. They used what drugs that were avilable and like most today went to extremes when they could depending on source and contest level.