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Lee Labrada (almost perfect body IMO)
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Shawn Ray
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Guess who?
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Kevin Levrone
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great shots.
look at levrone's tris back then. holy shit.
looked better back in the early 90's than they ever did later on.
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ps you should take some screenshots of the 1999 Olympia! hahahahaha 8)
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as good as they all looked Yates killed them.
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sorry for the late pictures, fuckin getbig just crashed. Here are the rest
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Real Physiques
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The Champ:
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Difference between 1st and 2nd
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Dorian destroying the field here:
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End:
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as good as they all looked Yates killed them.
With superior aesthetics.
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Ronnie Coleman and Henderson Thorne?
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Looks like Kevin or Lee should have won.
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That is the perfect size...
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the end of an era 91/92.
93 onward all bullshit false muscle
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That is the perfect size...
Four foot nine?
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amazing - everyone of them would finish above 99% of pro's today.
gh and slin has ruined bbing
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Incredible!
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massive LevrOWNING
bodybuilding was so cool back then
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Yates slaughtering.
Levrone was all arms back then. Well, his arms overpowered everything else. He looks mighty thin next to yates. Agreed Earl on how cool BB was back then.
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Real Physiques
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Dorian = 5'10"
Levrone = 5'9"
Ray = 5'6"
Labrada = 5'4"
2 average height men. One below average and one midget.
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Yates slaughtering.
Levrone was all arms back then. Well, his arms overpowered everything else. He looks mighty thin next to yates. Agreed Earl on how cool BB was back then.
bbing was very cool then, you could still tell who was who just by theie silhouettes
yates did dominate, but levrone had great wheels as well as arms, and ripped glutes(no homo) and midsection
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I always think in the front comparisons it looks like Dorian is smuggling in extra muscle on his back. Like you can tell even from the front that when they turn around Dorian is gonna unleash all that extra beef he carries around on his back like a backpack, and the others won't stand a chance. Also he always looks so much harder and drier across the chest and shoulders than everyone else.
Cool seeing Levrone when he had legs also.
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I really liked dorian's look at this contest.
his abs and midsection were much sharper here than the following year, even if he was bigger.
the only drawback to the lower weight at this contest (242 pounds) was that his arms seemed really small. they looked better with the added mass of 1993.
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Lee Labrada (almost perfect body IMO)
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Great shots much better than Shawn Ray ever was
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amazing - everyone of them would finish above 99% of pro's today.
gh and slin has ruined bbing
Yates was on GH in 92
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1992--when bodybuilders looked like bodybuilders and not kitchen appliances
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Yates was on GH in 92
maybe 2-4 iu's not 20+ iu's
actually i'm sure i read an interview that asked him about using gh and he said he didn't use any till later in his career.
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maybe 2-4 iu's not 20+ iu's
actually i'm sure i read an interview that asked him about using gh and he said he didn't use any till later in his career.
No just the opposite , when asked if the difference between the 92 pics and the 93 pics were due to first trying GH he said no he was taking in 92 then elaborated he was just overdieting and burning off muscle
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ah ok, but still doubt he was takin 20ui+ like todays pros.
what about the slin ?
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ah ok, but still doubt he was takin 20ui+ like todays pros.
what about the slin ?
I'm not sure about the slin
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No just the opposite , when asked if the difference between the 92 pics and the 93 pics were due to first trying GH he said no he was taking in 92 then elaborated he was just overdieting and burning off muscle
thats a huge difference!
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ND, how much did Dorian weigh in the B&W front lat spread of him 5 weeks out from the 95 Mr. Olympia?
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Great shots much better than Shawn Ray ever was
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spoken like a true moron..
Labrada could never match shawn at top shape: in fact, in 93 both came in at their career bests to date, and Shawn smoked Lee. for damn good reason too.
shawn was holding a bit of water in 92 though. at least compared to his 93/94/95 forms.
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labrada my favorite of the 2, but in 90 and 93 ray was better conditioned than lee
both in top condition, id give it to labrada. like the judges did
but shawn ray is a top 20 bber of all time ;D
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spoken like a true moron..
Labrada could never match shawn at top shape: in fact, in 93 both came in at their career bests to date, and Shawn smoked Lee. for damn good reason too.
shawn was holding a bit of water in 92 though. at least compared to his 93/94/95 forms.
hahahaha meltdown boy returns ;)
Labrada consistently beat Ray once again fan boy facts own you ;) and 93 wasn't both their bests dumbass not for either , just like Ronnie's best year was 99 ::) you don't know shit and it was easy to get you to melt ;D
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ND, how much did Dorian weigh in the B&W front lat spread of him 5 weeks out from the 95 Mr. Olympia?
283lbs
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labrada my favorite of the 2, but in 90 and 93 ray was better conditioned than lee
both in top condition, id give it to labrada. like the judges did
but shawn ray is a top 20 bber of all time ;D
Labrada smokes Shawn , not even close , much better physique , better structure better balance & proportions , aesthetics.. Shawn's like a mini-monster compared to Lee's smaller version of Bob Paris
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nonsense.
when Shawn was in top shape, all Flea could do is stand back and watch. he wasn't good enough to hang with Flex, Shawn and Dorian.
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you never saw Shawn compared to the bottom tier of olympia pros LOL :P
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yip every further pic further reinforces my belief that not one of todays pros would get anywhere if competing against these perfections.
it is either slin, or high gh dossages that has ruined bodybuilding :'(
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nonsense.
when Shawn was in top shape, all Flea could do is stand back and watch. he wasn't good enough to hang with Flex, Shawn and Dorian.
Nonsense is right , Shawn faced Lee 4 times and LOST 3
Lee = much better than Shawn ;)
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I always thought as far as uncrowned Olympians it goes Kevin, Shawn, Flex, everyone else.
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you never saw Shawn compared to the bottom tier of olympia pros LOL :P
no? check the 1988 Mr Olympia ;) Shawn 13th place , Lee NEVER placed below 5th in ANY contest hahahahaha
owned again and FYI Labrada beat Haney in the whole prejudging in 1990 something Shawn couldn't do ;)
keep posting and I will keep embarrassing the living hell out of you ;)
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Shawn faced Lee 4 times and LOST 3
but comparing even Shawn 93 to shawn 1990 is laughable.
never mind how good shawn got after that.
shawn actually peaked pretty much after Lee retired.
just as ronnie peaked after dorian retired.
problem for you is that both Shawn and Ronnie at their bests were physically much better than your hero's Flea and Dorian were when they faced them. and everyone knows this.
after all, Flea could NEVER equal a back shot like this, for example.
NEVER: and you know it.
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but comparing even Shawn 93 to shawn 1990 is laughable.
never mind how good shawn got after that.
shawn actually peaked pretty much after Lee retired.
just as ronnie peaked after dorian retired.
problem for you is that both Shawn and Ronnie at their bests were physically much better than your hero's Flea and Dorian were when they faced them. and everyone knows this.
after all, Flea could NEVER equal a back shot like this, for example.
NEVER: and you know it.
Lee beat Shawn 3 times out of 4 this means Lee is much better ;) Lee NEVER placed below 5th in a pro contest and beat Haney in the prejudging of the 90 Olympia
Shawn not on Lee's level as usual you contradicts facts and always have excuses
Lee 3 , Shawn 1 - Lee eons better ;)
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I thought the competition during Haney's reign wasn't generally considered to be as good as later in the 90s? As soon as Flex, Levrone and Shawn started hitting their stride Labrada sort of started to taper. Well the size standard went up a notch in 93 anyway and Shawn was bigger than Labrada.
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Dorian = 5'10"
Levrone = 5'9"
Ray = 5'6"
Labrada = 5'4"
2 average height men. One below average and one midget.
some very creative numbers your throwing aaround there cutler is billed at 5'9 he is really 5'8 ( i have stood next to him plenty of times) so shawn ray is only an inch or two below cutler, no, sorry, shawn ray is afucking midget..........under 5'5
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I thought the competition during Haney's reign wasn't generally considered to be as good as later in the 90s? As soon as Flex, Levrone and Shawn started hitting their stride Labrada sort of started to taper. Well the size standard went up a notch in 93 anyway and Shawn was bigger than Labrada.
Shawn was always bigger than Labrada and Lee beat him more often than not , in fact Lee usually beat guys outweighing him
the thing with Shawn is that from the time he won the Nationals in 87 until his best he really didn't improve much , he won the Nationals at 197lbs and his best showings he was 205lbs he tried to add more size at the expense of conditioning ( 215lbs ) and his placements fell , he was consistent and looked great but Lee was better
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No just the opposite , when asked if the difference between the 92 pics and the 93 pics were due to first trying GH he said no he was taking in 92 then elaborated he was just overdieting and burning off muscle
thats a huge difference!
Super soldier serum at work!
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some very creative numbers your throwing aaround there cutler is billed at 5'9 he is really 5'8 ( i have stood next to him plenty of times) so shawn ray is only an inch or two below cutler, no, sorry, shawn ray is afucking midget..........under 5'5
Official released height stats vs. Un~sung's made up stats... hmmm which do I believe?
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lee labrada is a damn midget. does anyone ever say a jockey has great genetics? they usually say the horse. anyway...sorry lee...but we do have one thing in common...
my man...gracie 8)
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Shawn was always bigger than Labrada and Lee beat him more often than not , in fact Lee usually beat guys outweighing him
the thing with Shawn is that from the time he won the Nationals in 87 until his best he really didn't improve much , he won the Nationals at 197lbs and his best showings he was 205lbs he tried to add more size at the expense of conditioning ( 215lbs ) and his placements fell , he was consistent and looked great but Lee was better
Not this again. Shawn came 13th in the 1988 Olympia, hope this helps.
Have you been classy enough to concede that semantically speaking Vic Richards is an unbeaten pro yet? ;D
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Not this again. Shawn came 13th in the 1988 Olympia, hope this helps.
Have you been classy enough to concede that semantically speaking Vic Richards is an unbeaten pro yet? ;D
Vic isn't an ' undefeated ' pro because he never competed in order to be defeated or undefeated you have to compete and Vic NEVER stepped on a pro stage ;)
and didn't I just point out Shawn placed 13th in 88? ???
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"the thing with Shawn is that from the time he won the Nationals in 87 until his best he really didn't improve much ". Well surely 13th to 2nd in the O says otherwise.
Has Vic Richards ever been defeated? Do you know what semantics means?
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"the thing with Shawn is that from the time he won the Nationals in 87 until his best he really didn't improve much ". Well surely 13th to 2nd in the O says otherwise.
Has Vic Richards ever been defeated? Do you know what semantics means?
Shawn messed up on his prep his conditioning was off hence the lower place as far as the Nationals to his best showings he didn't improve that much 8 lbs
I know what semantics mean , and the more important question is did Vic ever put himself in a position to be defeated? NO in order to be defeated or undefeated you need to test yourself he never did so he can't technically be called undefeated , undefeated means you weren't beat by anyone in order to not be beat you have to compare yourself he never did , he technically didn't even earn his pro card :-\
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Ive stood eye to eye with Cutler... And im 5'9
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I always thought as far as uncrowned Olympians it goes Kevin, Shawn, Flex, everyone else.
What the fuck is that word supposed to mean? They weren't good enough to win the Olympia, so they didn't, and they were never crowned. They aren't uncrowned anything. ::)
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What the fuck is that word supposed to mean? They weren't good enough to win the Olympia, so they didn't, and they were never crowned. They aren't uncrowned anything. ::)
shawn should have been crowned in 1994.
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shawn should have been crowned in 1994.
Says...you.
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Says...you.
says most knowledable fans, industry insiders and contest reporters.. :P
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Official released height stats vs. Un~sung's made up stats... hmmm which do I believe?
right, cause athletic and organizations NEVER over or under bill athletes height ::) ::) idiot, you probably believe every PR stsatment by celebrities and stump speeches by politicians........i mean, why would those in power EVER lie, that would be silly
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says most stupid fans, industry insiders and contest reporters.. :P
fans , industry insiders and contest reporters do NOT judge contest , so what they ' say ' means shit compared to what the judges say ;)
and who? Johnny Fitness? hahahahahahahaha and a bunch of Getbig fanboys? Shawn in 94 said he got the place he deserved and don't embarrass yourself with the biggest mouth in the sport was just towing the party line and MuscleMag which you cling to said outright Yates wasn't given a gift
as usual all your claims contradict the facts. now 01 was an extremely controversial contest as right in line with your contradiction of facts & reality you claim Ronnie dominated hahahahahaha keep contradicting history , facts and reality and I'll keep showing everybody how dumb you are. ;)
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shawn should have been crowned in 1994.
Not according to the judges and they silence anyone else. :D in fact Shawn was very lucky to beat Kevin this year he was gifted second never mind first ;)
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After a nice week-end, it's always nice to see that Hulkster hasn't been to able to keep his idiotic judgments to himself. As much as I like Shawn Ray, he never had the Labrada's structure and proportions. When in shape, Labrada beat him all the time and for good reasons. The only thing that stopped Labrada for being at least twice 'O was his height, end of story and a lot of people who have been at the 'O in '89 and '90 and saw the thing live will still tell you that Labrada could or should have been taking it. I never heard one person say the same about '94, only people judging from pics (and not even videos) make up that story. Bbbing was really much better back then and Levrone was at his best in '92 (he looked great also in '95 but Yates once again showed up better). Yates was not that different from '91 but there's no doubt he was the best at this contest. He just changed the face of Bbing (not necessarily for the best) in '93.
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Labrada in 89, Shawn in 90 for sure
they were the best onstage those years respectively
top 20 bbers of all time for sure
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Labrada in 89, Shawn in 90 for sure
they were the best onstage those years respectively
top 20 bbers of all time for sure
Shawn had the conditioning in '90 but Labrada was better as far as proportions, balance, symmetry are concerned. Never thought Ray could really overcome the fact that Labrada had (apart from his height) once of the best structures in the history of Bbing (if not the best).
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some very creative numbers your throwing aaround there cutler is billed at 5'9 he is really 5'8 ( i have stood next to him plenty of times) so shawn ray is only an inch or two below cutler, no, sorry, shawn ray is afucking midget..........under 5'5
I`m 5"6`,and Shawn is shorter than me,i`ve got a pic of us stood together from 1990 and even though i`m wearing trainers he looks a couple of inches shorter.
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Lee NEVER placed below 5th in a pro contest
yeah, and most of his career was spent facing guys like mike christian and rich gaspari, guys that would never have made the top 6 in 93 or 94..
as correctly pointed out, Labrada fizzled when Shawn and the rest of the competition got much better.
as always, you are alone in your fucked up opinion.. ::)
and nice ignore on my back double bi point. shawn as he looked in 93/4/5 was FAR above Flea.
far above:
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Not this again.
yup. ND is as fucked up as ever.. ::)
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yeah, and most of his career was spent facing guys like mike christian and rich gaspari, guys that would never have made the top 6 in 93 or 94..
as correctly pointed out, Labrada fizzled when Shawn and the rest of the competition got much better.
why would Labrada not be compared to Gaspari & Christian? that was the competition he had then.
Ray may have stepped it up, and Labrada instead of playing the size game and try to come in more shredded, did the right thing and moved on to other things, nothing more to prove, he had reached the end of his career.
He can only be compared to his peers in his era, that is why the whole Yates vs Coleman thing doesn't make sense either.
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I could be wrong here... But I have to kinda side with ND here. I think Shawn Ray was willing to up his drug doses above and beyond Labrada's levels (shawn did it only to try to keep up with Wheeler and Levrone). I think Labrada saw what was happening and bowed out (smart move).
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Haha Hulkster melting down cause he doesnt have people agreeing with him on Sean being better than Lee. Haha.
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why would Labrada not be compared to Gaspari & Christian? that was the competition he had then.
Ray may have stepped it up, and Labrada instead of playing the size game and try to come in more shredded, did the right thing and moved on to other things, nothing more to prove, he had reached the end of his career.
He can only be compared to his peers in his era, that is why the whole Yates vs Coleman thing doesn't make sense either.
When Shawn got 13th place he was 201.5 pounds. I read that Labrada never competes over 196...when I had watched the 1993 Mr. O, I had noticed how small both Labrada and Ray's arms were, and in Labrada's case how small his thighs were and how Flex's waist seemed smaller than his. I think Labrada could have competed at over 200 pounds, but he was near the end of career so why risk it. The Haney
years, you noticed that legs were smaller than today---Shawn had to try and keep his in check, but the rest went with the smallish legs criteria, because the Champ, Haney, legs smallish compared to his huge torso.
Without a doubt, the Dorian yrs had better competition and Labrada after 93 if he still was taking bbing as seriously (94,95,96) were not that serious, just cruise control, he would have been crushed. Ray, had his prep down pat, Flex was decent, Ronnie was just coming on line, Nasser and Kev were lethal, and the others who were mid pack. They all were in a diff league, they would crush him...
And even in the Ronnie yrs. I beg to differ, when Shawn came in 215 in 1998, he was still as sharp, it was by 2001-2002, where he was 218 he wasn't as sharp. Just as Shawn Ray was a throwback to another era so was Labrada, but sub 200 pounders aren't gonna Jack against Dorian, Ronnie, today's Jay, Dex, Vic, Phil, etc.
Even in the 202s, Labrada would get killed now...I think Kevin Engish probably uses Labrada's weight with dumbell presses...Structure wise he was great, just like Shawn, and Shawn, was the 90s Labrada, great lines,lighter, shorter.
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When Shawn got 13th place he was 201.5 pounds. I read that Labrada never competes over 196...when I had watched the 1993 Mr. O, I had noticed how small both Labrada and Ray's arms were, and in Labrada's case how small his thighs were and how Flex's waist seemed smaller than his. I think Labrada could have competed at over 200 pounds, but he was near the end of career so why risk it. The Haney
years, you noticed that legs were smaller than today---Shawn had to try and keep his in check, but the rest went with the smallish legs criteria, because the Champ, Haney, legs smallish compared to his huge torso.
Without a doubt, the Dorian yrs had better competition and Labrada after 93 if he still was taking bbing as seriously (94,95,96) were not that serious, just cruise control, he would have been crushed. Ray, had his prep down pat, Flex was decent, Ronnie was just coming on line, Nasser and Kev were lethal, and the others who were mid pack. They all were in a diff league, they would crush him...
And even in the Ronnie yrs. I beg to differ, when Shawn came in 215 in 1998, he was still as sharp, it was by 2001-2002, where he was 218 he wasn't as sharp. Just as Shawn Ray was a throwback to another era so was Labrada, but sub 200 pounders aren't gonna Jack against Dorian, Ronnie, today's Jay, Dex, Vic, Phil, etc.
Even in the 202s, Labrada would get killed now...I think Kevin Engish probably uses Labrada's weight with dumbell presses...Structure wise he was great, just like Shawn, and Shawn, was the 90s Labrada, great lines,lighter, shorter.
agree, especially highlited bit. its impossible to stand next to current crop, if you rely on proportion and lines.
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I`m 5"6`,and Shawn is shorter than me,i`ve got a pic of us stood together from 1990 and even though i`m wearing trainers he looks a couple of inches shorter.
You look about same height. Shawn could even be taller than you.
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Haha Hulkster melting down cause he doesnt have people agreeing with him on Sean being better than Lee. Haha.
not many people are agreeing.
fact is, you can spout off career stats like Flowerboy does as if they mean something, but the facts are that when you compare physiques at their respective bests (not stats) its not even close:
just like the ronnie dorian 'debate": dorian had better career stats (less losses), but gets destroyed on a visual physique to physique comparison.
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ouch. you can really see why Flea retired.
he knew the new and improved Shawn, and the new pros like Flex and Kevin were so far above him its not even funny.
luckily for him he bowed out before he got badly embarassed by Shawn et al.
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Wow, who would have thought Hulkster would take two separate clasped most-muscular photos from different times and draw definitive conclusions from them? Never seen that before.
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not many people are agreeing.
fact is, you can spout off career stats like Flowerboy does as if they mean something, but the facts are that when you compare physiques at their respective bests (not stats) its not even close:
just like the ronnie dorian 'debate": dorian had better career stats (less losses), but gets destroyed on a visual physique to physique comparison.
HahahahaHAHAHAHAHAH.
Hulksters own little reality strikes again.
Pathetic.
Keep melting down and being wrong fag! Makes all the rest of us laugh.
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Wow, who would have thought Hulkster would take two separate clasped most-muscular photos from different times and draw definitive conclusions from them? Never seen that before.
the truth that lee at his best was not as good as shawn at his best hurts you, doesn't it?
only a true moron would think that Labrada could stand beside the likes of this and not get killed.
oh wait, he did. thats right. Shawn>Flea.
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poor flea. in pose after pose he just loses. :'(
and the nuthuggers are rallying to his cause LOL
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the truth that lee at his best was not as good as shawn at his best hurts you, doesn't it?
only a true moron would think that Labrada could stand beside the likes of this and not get killed.
oh wait, he did. thats right. Shawn>Flea.
Hahahaha!
Youre so predictable, its funny. Nothing you can say changes the fact that Shawn lost to Flea more than he beat him.
Keep melting down, youre keeping everyone else entertained.
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yes, and he was not in anywhere near career best shape when he did.
its like saying because Porter Cotrell and Charles Clairmonte beat ronnie a million times (which they did) that they would beat him in top shape too.
typical fucked up guy logic.. ::)
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the truth that lee at his best was not as good as shawn at his best hurts you, doesn't it?
I can say with all honesty that it doesn't, and that I didn't think about it once after I logged off. Labrada vs. Ray isn't really a hot button topic these days.
But I can say it's amazing that you've followed this little subculture to the extent that you have, and you still have no idea how to formulate an argument, and struggle so much to defend your position. You could lose a Coleman vs. Kamali argument, let alone Yates.
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LOL wow, someone as fucked up as ND and co.
amazing.
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yes, and he was not in anywhere near career best shape when he did.
its like saying because Porter Cotrell and Charles Clairmonte beat ronnie a million times (which they did) that they would beat him in top shape too.
typical fucked up guy logic.. ::)
Hahahahahahhahahahahaha Again you fail Hulkster. And for the record I like Shawns physique much better.
Hahahahahahah
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And for the record I like Shawns physique much better
don't tell ND that. he might not give you any more head :-X
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yeah, and most of his career was spent facing guys like mike christian and rich gaspari, guys that would never have made the top 6 in 93 or 94..
as correctly pointed out, Labrada fizzled when Shawn and the rest of the competition got much better.
as always, you are alone in your fucked up opinion.. ::)
and nice ignore on my back double bi point. shawn as he looked in 93/4/5 was FAR above Flea.
far above:
hahahahahaha Labrada ' fizzled ' moron he never placed below 5th in a pro contest and he retired in 1995 that's fizzling you moron? he beat Haney in the entire prejudging you forgot that and he beat Shawn 3 out of 4 times and he has more pro wins than Ray so once again YOU FAIL
and the back double biceps pose means what? even saying Shawn wins it that means what in the scheme of things stupid? still can't grasp the concept that contest are NOT won with a single pose
and I'm alone in my ' opinion ' ? says who you? I have facts backing mine up not Johnny Fitness ;)
simple fact , Shawn faced Lee 4 times and lost 3 , Lee has more pro wins than Ray and beat Haney in the prejuding in 1990 , out of the two we know Lee is better ;)
as usual the facts crush your stupidity
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he beat Haney in the entire prejudging
as if shawn in his 1994 shape wouldn't have done the same thing? ::)
hell, he would have won the whole fucking show.
you are missing the point that even your fuckbuddy Shockwave knows:
career stats and achievements mean nothing if Labrada loses in a direct physique to physique comparison.
which he does quite easily.
Shawn peaked in the mid 90's. different era than Flea.
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not many people are agreeing.
fact is, you can spout off career stats like Flowerboy does as if they mean something, but the facts are that when you compare physiques at their respective bests (not stats) its not even close:
just like the ronnie dorian 'debate": dorian had better career stats (less losses), but gets destroyed on a visual physique to physique comparison.
hahahahaha I love your gross overstatements , " the facts don't matter carefully selected pictures and my expert critique does afterall I'm the guy who said Ronnie's calves are more detailed than Dorians and Dorian lost the most dominate Mr Olympia contest in history " ;D
when you compared physiques , Lee has a better structure , better balance & proportion , better aesthetics and he was just as good if not a better poser than Ray , he beat Ray head to head 3 times out of 4 and has more pro wins , Lee is hands down better than Ray
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as if shawn in his 1994 shape wouldn't have done the same thing? ::)
hell, he would have won the whole fucking show.
you are missing the point that even your fuckbuddy Shockwave knows:
career stats and achievements mean nothing if Labrada loses in a direct physique to physique comparison.
which he does quite easily.
Shawn peaked in the mid 90's. different era than Flea.
Excuse me? Im not dumb enough to think that my opinion on which physique I like better means who would win a contest, you fucking retard.
Fact is Labrada beat Ray more than he lost. Thats just fact jack.
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as usual the facts crush your stupidity
too bad your paper stats can't erase the physical comparison between the two:
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no contest: look closely ND. no contest. Flea loses readily.
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Fact is Labrada beat Ray more than he lost
..and Charles Clairmonte beat Ronnie Coleman more times than Ronnie beat him.
consider that and see the fucked up logic you are using.. ::)
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Wow, who would have thought Hulkster would take two separate clasped most-muscular photos from different times and draw definitive conclusions from them? Never seen that before.
textbook Hulkster , carefully select pics make a empty claim and thinks he's proved something , the only thing he's proven is how dumb he is.
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..and Charles Clairmonte beat Ronnie Coleman more times than Ronnie beat him.
consider that and see the fucked up logic you are using.. ::)
That has nothing to do with Ray/Labrada none what so ever , Ray didn't hit his peak 5 years after Lee beat him , recall dummy theres not much a difference between Ray from the Nationals to Ray at his ' peak ' just 8lbs he was 201 in 88 and 205 in 94 so spare us all he wasn't at his peak , Ronnie was 230lbs when Clairmonte beat him not the 250 when he won
fucked up logic? coming from someone who carefully selects ONE picture and claims one guy isn't as good as another based soley on that and the fact we should ignore the fact Lee always beat Ray ;)
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too bad your paper stats can't erase the physical comparison between the two:
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no contest: look closely ND. no contest. Flea loses readily.
so easy to make you look stupid ;) 1992 a contest in which " Flea " crushed Shawn in that pose and Shawn is nearly identical in this year as he was in 1994 ;)
opppsss not much to say huh? dumbass keep clinging to a single pose your pea-brain still can't grasp the concept that contests aren't won by a single pose another weak attempt which your known for ( most muscular anyone? )
and to further add insult to injury read the caption dumbass " Shawn Ray was in the best shape of his life " hahahahaha and he still got crushed by Lee Labrada , countdown to the excuses.......3......2.. ....1
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Excuse me? Im not dumb enough to think that my opinion on which physique I like better means who would win a contest, you fucking retard.
Fact is Labrada beat Ray more than he lost. Thats just fact jack.
ouch Dumbster getting bitch slapped ;D
Shawn was no where near his peak.... the caption reads " Shawn was in the best shape of his life " LMFAO and lost to Labrada
Dumbster = fucked again ;D
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Seriously ND? Labrada better than Shawn Ray physique wise? You have to be kidding.
I don't care on who beat who and how many times, the fact is: Shawn Ray's best ever is much better than Labradas' best ever.
I don't know if you say these things just to pick a fight with Hulkster or what, but Shawn was so much better than Labrada physique wise its not even a question.
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Seriously ND? Labrada better than Shawn Ray physique wise? You have to be kidding.
I don't care on who beat who and how many times, the fact is: Shawn Ray's best ever is much better than Labradas' best ever.
I don't know if you say these things just to pick a fight with Hulkster or what, but Shawn was so much better than Labrada physique wise its not even a question.
No Shawn Ray was much better ::)
and what makes it a ' fact ' Shawn's best ever is not only better than Lees , but ' much better ' what exactly about this makes it a fact? please elaborate on that. what makes your blanket statement based on personal preference a fact?
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Just compare them at their best presentations and you'll see. What is Labrada's best ever in your opinion?
Compare it to Shawn in 93, 94 or 95 and you'll see why Shawn's physique was much better than his.
I probably took it too far by saying its a "fact", but still its pretty obvious.
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Just compare them at their best presentations and you'll see. What is Labrada's best ever in your opinion?
Compare it to Shawn in 93, 94 or 95 and you'll see why Shawn's physique was much better than his.
I probably took it too far by saying its a "fact", but still its pretty obvious.
It's pretty obvious to who? not me I think it's pretty obvious Lee is better so did the judges , and lets forget what they think ::)
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Wow, dem' so dry glutes.................. ...steve blechman approved
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346182.0;attach=380919;image)
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It's pretty obvious to who? not me I think it's pretty obvious Lee is better so did the judges , and lets forget what they think ::)
Let's forget the judges for a sec, since this "sport," is subjective.
Who in your opinion who had a better physique; Shawn or Lee.
I pick Shawn.
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Let's forget the judges for a sec, since this "sport," is subjective.
Who in your opinion who had a better physique; Shawn or Lee.
I pick Shawn.
Most will pick Shawn, myself included.
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It's pretty obvious to who? not me I think it's pretty obvious Lee is better so did the judges , and lets forget what they think ::)
Ok, its your opinion Lee was better. The judges you say? Don't forget Shawn beat Labrada in 93 and they didn't even face each other when Shawn was at his best ever.
Its not even a matter of who beat who at what contest or what the judges thought of that, again just compare them at their respective best years and you'll see. Shawn was better.
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The judges you say? Don't forget Shawn beat Labrada in 93 and they didn't even face each other when Shawn was at his best ever
exactly. ND is being his usual stupid delusional self.. ::)
I have pointed out to him many times since he loves to use "the judges" ( ::)) as the be all end all, that Labrada and Shawn were in their career bests shapes respectively in 1993 and Lee lost badly.
yet he loves to ignore this and concentrate on contests where shawn was nowhere near peak form.. ::)
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Seriously ND? Labrada better than Shawn Ray physique wise? You have to be kidding.
I don't care on who beat who and how many times, the fact is: Shawn Ray's best ever is much better than Labradas' best ever.
I don't know if you say these things just to pick a fight with Hulkster or what, but Shawn was so much better than Labrada physique wise its not even a question.
no, he is not doing this just to pick a fight.
he is doing this because he is genuinely stupid and knows very little about the sport or how to assess physiques properly.
textbook ND.. ::)
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Its not even a matter of who beat who at what contest or what the judges thought of that, again just compare them at their respective best years and you'll see.
I have been saying this and showing it with pics for the last 5 pages..
hell, a similar argument with ronnie/dorian has been used for 1700 pages in the truce thread, but again, ND and Co. are just too damn dumb.. :-\ ::) ???
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you two would argue black was white !
which would be true i suppose if we were talking about michael jackson :-\ carry on.
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exactly. ND is being his usual stupid delusional self.. ::)
I have pointed out to him many times since he loves to use "the judges" ( ::)) as the be all end all, that Labrada and Shawn were in their career bests shapes respectively in 1993 and Lee lost badly.
yet he loves to ignore this and concentrate on contests where shawn was nowhere near peak form.. ::)
LMFAO no where peak form says the troll who posts pics of Dorian 97 compared to Ronnie 99 STFU fanboy
Lee beat Shawn 3 times out of 4 this clearly shows who was better , NOT Lee's fault Shawn wasn't good enough
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Ok, its your opinion Lee was better. The judges you say? Don't forget Shawn beat Labrada in 93 and they didn't even face each other when Shawn was at his best ever.
Its not even a matter of who beat who at what contest or what the judges thought of that, again just compare them at their respective best years and you'll see. Shawn was better.
Lee beat Shawn 3 out of 4 and spare me Shawn wasn't good enough yet , Shawn was the fucking same for years on end that back double biceps shot I posted 1992 is identical to 1993/1994 yet he was no where near his best my ass ::)
I see Lee hands down better than Shawn , better symmetry , better aesthetics , better balance , better proportions , equal if not better posing , the only area he's down in his muscular bulk , Shawn is a mini-mass monster with a host a structual flaws that you can't find in Lee
you think Shawn's weaknesses got any better 2 years later? think again
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no, he is not doing this just to pick a fight.
he is doing this because he is genuinely stupid and knows very little about the sport or how to assess physiques properly.
textbook ND.. ::)
hahahahahaha says the dumbass who claimed Dorian lost in 93 and Ronnie dominated in 01 ;D
I'm showing you once again how far off the mark you are as usual , you have an idea and it's wrong and it's wrong because you're stupid and can't look past what you THINK wins contests
at their best Lee Labrada outclasses Shawn Ray , he makes him look a wanna-be
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I have been saying this and showing it with pics for the last 5 pages..
hell, a similar argument with ronnie/dorian has been used for 1700 pages in the truce thread, but again, ND and Co. are just too damn dumb.. :-\ ::) ???
hahahahahaha " I've been contradicting the facts and throwing out everything that counts for ages now , posting carefully selected pics are crying see "
I look at the pics between the two and come to the conclusion Shawn isn't in Lee's league , I know how contests are judged , how the criteria is applied and can be objective , you're the moron who thinks Ronnie's calves are more detailed and Dorian lost the most dominate win in the contest's history and Ronnie dominated a contest he lost the whole prejudging in
you know shit and I shit on your ' opinion ' ;)
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I think its hilarious that ND keeps saying that 'the judges' say Labrada was better when in 1993 both showed up at their career best and Labrada lost miserably.
anyone else see the irony in this? LOL
classic ND bullshit.
I love it.
all Flea could do is sit back and watch with jealousy as Shawn took top 3:
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Flea couldn't touch this level with a 10 foot pole.
and he knew it. so he retired.
the competition got much better than he was. so he bowed out gracefully.
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I think its hilarious that ND keeps saying that 'the judges' say Labrada was better when in 1993 both showed up at their career best and Labrada lost miserably.
anyone else see the irony in this? LOL
classic ND bullshit.
I love it.
all Flea could do is sit back and watch with jealousy as Shawn took top 3:
Yates looks fukkin epic in that pic.
Ray does too.
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I like the way shawn always hit the classic vacuum shot when doing a front double bi.
poor Flea. LOL
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I think its hilarious that ND keeps saying that 'the judges' say Labrada was better when in 1993 both showed up at their career best and Labrada lost miserably.
anyone else see the irony in this? LOL
classic ND bullshit.
I love it.
all Flea could do is sit back and watch with jealousy as Shawn took top 3:
Damn that is one hellova pic of Dorian.
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Damn that is one hellova pic of Dorian.
yeah, dorian looked good in 93. its just too bad he didn't have decent arms.
even pre tear, the left arm is barely there in that shot. no definition at all. just looks soft and blah.
quads aren't so great either. standing next to shawn you can really see how the lack of delineation between the quad muscles hurts him. shawns quads look great.
its an okay shot of dorian but not as great as the nuthuggers think.
a careful eye sees many of the flaws. luckily there are those on this board to point things out to the "out of the loop" nuthuggers LOL
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yeah, dorian looked good in 93. its just too bad he didn't have decent arms.
even pre tear, the left arm is barely there in that shot. no definition at all. just looks soft and blah.
quads aren't so great either. standing next to shawn you can really see how the lack of delineation between the quad muscles hurts him. shawns quads look great.
its an okay shot of dorian but not as great as the nuthuggers think.
a careful eye sees many of the flaws. luckily there are those on this board to point things out to the "out of the loop" nuthuggers LOL
a ' careful eye ' seen that contest and said Dorian lost BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA lost the most dominating Olympia win in the history of the contest to this day and according to the ' careful eye ' he lost hehehehehehehehehe
you don't know jackshit and Dorian is so far ahead of Shawn Ray in that pose it's laughable he even got compared and they did it as a favor to the audience ;)
' it's an ok shot of Dorian not as great as the nutthuggers think ' still in denial just how far ahead Dorian was at this contest huh? Dorian was so far and ahead of the competition they didn't even need him in the muscularity round and you think that's just an ' o.k. shot ' LMFAO a contest in which Samir Bannout said Dorian was first , second and third , a contest in which Flex Wheeler was so humbled he conceded Dorian is unbeatable ( and turned his back on Ronnie 99 said declared he was #1 ;) )
you are always good for a laugh fanboy ;D
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I think its hilarious that ND keeps saying that 'the judges' say Labrada was better when in 1993 both showed up at their career best and Labrada lost miserably.
anyone else see the irony in this? LOL
classic ND bullshit.
I love it.
all Flea could do is sit back and watch with jealousy as Shawn took top 3:
I think it's hilarious you keep insisting 1993 was their respective bests and it's NOT
Shawn faced Lee four times , lost three , Shawn sucks compared to Lee , Lee won 7 pro shows , Shawn 2 hahahahaha Shawn sucks compared to Lee , Shawn was number 13 on the 20 most aesthetic physiques of all-time Lee was number 4 , Shawn sucks compared to Lee ;)
Lee is everything Shawn wished he could be
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I have come to the very bottom of why Hulkster and ND hate each other so much.
Hulkster argues intangibles, ND argues in reality.
ND goes by what happened, who won what, and concrete absolutes. (regardless of his personal opinion)
Hulkster argues based on passion, his opinion, and how he feels people would have done if HE was judging. (He ignores what actually happened, the absolutes such as placings, winning percentages, which is what ND relies on)
Its no wonder that these two are at each others throats all the time.
One is like a religious fanatic.
The other is an Atheist.
Lol.
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I have come to the very bottom of why Hulkster and ND hate each other so much.
Hulkster argues intangibles, ND argues in reality.
ND goes by what happened, who won what, and concrete absolutes. (regardless of his personal opinion)
Hulkster argues based on passion, his opinion, and how he feels people would have done if HE was judging. (He ignores what actually happened, the absolutes such as placings, winning percentages, which is what ND relies on)
Its no wonder that these two are at each others throats all the time.
One is like a religious fanatic.
The other is an Atheist.
Lol.
I don't hate Hulkster , I enjoy embarrassing him , he hates me which is why he tried these pathetic attempts at attacking everything except the facts. I've made him look so stupid for so many years he's looking to equal the score and it's never gonna happen because he's dumb ;D
he types shit that just contradicts everything and I enjoy pointing out how stupid he is , this is the guy who said Dorian should have lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex , this statement alone proves that he's retarded and anything he types is wrong because he's so far off the mark it's beyond the point of being retarded , Ronnie's calves are more detailed in 1999 than Dorian's ever were ??? I mean WTF? he can never assess who is better he would have to remove his head from Ronnie's striated ass and get a clue.
Hulkster types I make him look stupid he melts down I laugh until the next time. ;D
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Shawn messed up on his prep his conditioning was off hence the lower place as far as the Nationals to his best showings he didn't improve that much 8 lbs
I know what semantics mean , and the more important question is did Vic ever put himself in a position to be defeated? NO in order to be defeated or undefeated you need to test yourself he never did so he can't technically be called undefeated , undefeated means you weren't beat by anyone in order to not be beat you have to compare yourself he never did , he technically didn't even earn his pro card :-\
8lb + improved conditioning on a small guy can be a big deal.
Vic Richards was a pro, and he was never defeated, hope this helps. I understand what you are saying, but strictly speaking it is incorrect.
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8lb + improved conditioning on a small guy can be a big deal.
Vic Richards was a pro, and he was never defeated, hope this helps. I understand what you are saying, but strictly speaking it is incorrect.
8 lbs over his ENTIRE FUCKING CAREER ::)
Vic never competed on a pro stage in order to see if he would remain defeated or undefeated ;) he never even really turned pro and would have been left for dead if he tried to really earn his pro card ;D
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yeah, dorian looked good in 93. its just too bad he didn't have decent arms.
even pre tear, the left arm is barely there in that shot. no definition at all. just looks soft and blah.
quads aren't so great either. standing next to shawn you can really see how the lack of delineation between the quad muscles hurts him. shawns quads look great.
its an okay shot of dorian but not as great as the nuthuggers think.
a careful eye sees many of the flaws. luckily there are those on this board to point things out to the "out of the loop" nuthuggers LOL
you are fucking retarded special olympics bound hulkster. Yates biceps are blowing shawns out the water. Yates has peak, shawn has football shaped bis, take your pick. Yates arms are way bigger than shawns. shawn has better rectus separation. Yates legs are the same legs in the "new" 95 shot that you are claiming is shopped. Yates is killing shawn here.
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Looks like Kevin or Lee should have won.
x2. Levrone 1st, Labrada 2nd.
1991 shouldve been Labrada 1st.
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you are fucking retarded special olympics bound hulkster. Yates biceps are blowing shawns out the water. Yates has peak, shawn has football shaped bis, take your pick. Yates arms are way bigger than shawns. shawn has better rectus separation. Yates legs are the same legs in the "new" 95 shot that you are claiming is shopped. Yates is killing shawn here.
This shows how stupid he is and how biased he is.
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Ive stood eye to eye with Cutler... And im 5'9
Either you're a horrible judge of height, or your fooling yourself in thinking you're actually 5'9".
He ain't no 5'9"... Was listed at 5'8.5" for years before he started placing well and even that was an exaggeration. He's never even seen a full 5'8". I'd give him 5'7 3/4". ALL the pros lie about their height. Some more than others. The only ones who don't feel the need to lie are the ones who are legitimately 5'10" and above... All other add anywhere from 1-3" to their height. I'm 5'10" and have met MANY of the pros at the Arnold a couple of years ago and trust me, these guys are short.... Even our former poster boy: BOB CHICKY claims 6'0" and is in reality between 5'9" and 5'10". 6'0.5" (LEGIT) Gunter TOWERED him... Franco Columbo was the same height as 5'2" Danny Padilla, yet claims to have been 5'5". Lee Labrada could hit 5'6" in his wife's high heels. Like Lee Priest he's 5'3" and change. I know it may hurt some people on here to picture their idols being short men, but most are... EVERYONE boosts their height and pros are no exception. As they grow in popularity, so does their listed height. I've seen Flex Wheeler go from 5'8" to 5'10.5". I've seen Levrone go from 5'9" to 5'10". Sir Ronnie Coleman go from 5'10" (for YEARS) to 5'11" when he started making a name for himself in 1995/1996.. I've seen Chris Cormier go from 5'9" to 5'11" and the list invariably goes on... Hell, 5'7" Casey Viator claimed 5'10" and so did Bertil Fox.. It's been a tradition in bodybuilding AND wrestling and now the MMA and UFC as well..
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This shows how stupid he is and how biased he is.
Won't comment on the former, but as for the latter statement you made, isn't that like calling the kettle black?
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poor flea. in pose after pose he just loses. :'(
and the nuthuggers are rallying to his cause LOL
With you on this one Hulkster... Lee was small even in comparison to "small guys" from the late 70's/early 80's: Danny Padilla and Mohammed Makkaway... Shawn was vastly superior in almost all aspects of his physique. Sure, Labrada had great presentation, but so did Porter Cotrel and that won him some higher placings too at ONE POINT in his career. Labrada was the leftovers from the OLD generation. Ray was the new and improved guy who began in the old generation, but was bread still in the oven. When Shawn hit his stride, he was one of, if not the best of all time. Labrada was just too diminutive. TOO underwhelming. Classic lines or not, he carried NO size and never even gave the illusion that he did. Something Ray did VERY WELL at next to MUCH bigger guys. Labrada was sinking in 1993 and could never hang with the big boys after that and he KNEW IT. Hence his retirement.
Lastly, Labrada was in an era where he could compete against the big boys from THAT era: Berry Demey, Mike Christian, Bob Paris and even Lee Haney, but no way in hell could he be competitive from 1994 and onwards, against guys like beefed up Dorian, Levrone, Nasser, Dillet, Wheeler.. Shawn could do it and do it with ease...
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With you on this one Hulkster... Lee was small even in comparison to "small guys" from the late 70's/early 80's: Danny Padilla and Mohammed Makkaway... Shawn was vastly superior in almost all aspects of his physique. Sure, Labrada had great presentation, but so did Porter Cotrel and that won him some higher placings too at ONE POINT in his career. Labrada was the leftovers from the OLD generation. Ray was the new and improved guy who began in the old generation, but was bread still in the oven. When Shawn hit his stride, he was one of, if not the best of all time. Labrada was just too diminutive. TOO underwhelming. Classic lines or not, he carried NO size and never even gave the illusion that he did. Something Ray did VERY WELL at next to MUCH bigger guys. Labrada was sinking in 1993 and could never hang with the big boys after that and he KNEW IT. Hence his retirement.
Lastly, Labrada was in an era where he could compete against the big boys from THAT era: Berry Demey, Mike Christian, Bob Paris and even Lee Haney, but no way in hell could he be competitive from 1994 and onwards, against guys like beefed up Dorian, Levrone, Nasser, Dillet, Wheeler.. Shawn could do it and do it with ease...
Lee was small even compared to small guys? and? he still won despite this. Shawn was vastly superior is almost all aspects of his physique? my ass he was , Shawn had a host of structural problems you can't find on Lee's physique. Lee was a scaled down version of Bob Paris , he has Shawn in structure , clavicle width , back width , balance & proportion
Shawn was thicker like I said a mini-mass-monster he had small high calves that weren't in proportion with his quads , short legs , long torso narrow clavicles you can't find these issues with Lee. and you look at Ray 1992 Mr Olympia he looks nearly identical to his showings in 1994 , Shawn didn't hit his stride after Lee came along in fact Shawn only gained 8lbs of muscle from the time he turned pro in 1987 to his best showings which were around 205lbs , Shawn competed at 201lbs in 1988 albeit not at his best but right around his ideal weight , we're not talking Ronnie 1992 compared to 1998
Lee was still competitive until the end , 5th place in his last contest and you look at 1993 which is the first time beat Lee , Lee competed in the spring shows and placed second behind Flex at the Arnold & Ironman , Shawn didn't compete in the spring shows if Lee didn't he would have most likely beat Ray again at the Olympia , Lee competed against and beat a lot of big guys from the ' new era ' including Clairmonte , Dillett , Levrone , Harrison , Schimidt , etc
and here's the best part Shawn never won a contest in the ' new era ' either his last win came in 1991 , he was competitive post that but Shawn was a textbook second tier bodybuilder who filled in the spots when the first tier guys were off , Shawn was consistent and professional much like Lee , but out of the two Lee was clearly better his stats and record directly against Shawn proves it.
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Won't comment on the former, but as for the latter statement you made, isn't that like calling the kettle black?
not even close , Hulkster stands alone in monumental moronic statements.
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Lee was small even compared to small guys? and? he still won despite this. Shawn was vastly superior is almost all aspects of his physique? my ass he was , Shawn had a host of structural problems you can't find on Lee's physique. Lee was a scaled down version of Bob Paris , he has Shawn in structure , clavicle width , back width , balance & proportion
Shawn was thicker like I said a mini-mass-monster he had small high calves that weren't in proportion with his quads , short legs , long torso narrow clavicles you can't find these issues with Lee. and you look at Ray 1992 Mr Olympia he looks nearly identical to his showings in 1994 , Shawn didn't hit his stride after Lee came along in fact Shawn only gained 8lbs of muscle from the time he turned pro in 1987 to his best showings which were around 205lbs , Shawn competed at 201lbs in 1988 albeit not at his best but right around his ideal weight , we're not talking Ronnie 1992 compared to 1998
Lee was still competitive until the end , 5th place in his last contest and you look at 1993 which is the first time beat Lee , Lee competed in the spring shows and placed second behind Flex at the Arnold & Ironman , Shawn didn't compete in the spring shows if Lee didn't he would have most likely beat Ray again at the Olympia , Lee competed against and beat a lot of big guys from the ' new era ' including Clairmonte , Dillett , Levrone , Harrison , Schimidt , etc
and here's the best part Shawn never won a contest in the ' new era ' either his last win came in 1991 , he was competitive post that but Shawn was a textbook second tier bodybuilder who filled in the spots when the first tier guys were off , Shawn was consistent and professional much like Lee , but out of the two Lee was clearly better his stats and record directly against Shawn proves it.
Absolutely true. A lot of people think it's just a matter of muscle mass but in that case guys like Fux or Paco would have placed higher than they ever did. Proportions, balance and symmetry are key factors and on all of those Lee beat Shawn steadily. I think Shawn was a fantastic Bber but Lee had a unique physique, the result of a very smart man knowing his potential and his limits and making the best of it. He never had to play the mass game which Shawn did and then would bitch about saying that judges had no other criterias than mass when they should have had a sens of aesthetic, etc....Which was highly hypocritical of him.
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I think it's hilarious you keep insisting 1993 was their respective bests and it's NOT
Shawn faced Lee four times , lost three , Shawn sucks compared to Lee , Lee won 7 pro shows , Shawn 2 hahahahaha Shawn sucks compared to Lee , Shawn was number 13 on the 20 most aesthetic physiques of all-time Lee was number 4 , Shawn sucks compared to Lee ;)
Lee is everything Shawn wished he could be
You just out did yourself with this post. "Shawn sucks compared to Lee" ::)
You seriously must have some serious hate or something against Shawn, is it because he almost beat Dorian in 94?
Shawn faced Lee four times , lost three
Who cares? We are discussing who was better at their respectives best years and its Shawn. Shawn wasn't at his best when he lost to Labrada.
Shawn was number 13 on the 20 most aesthetic physiques of all-time Lee was number 4 , Shawn sucks compared to Lee ;)
Most aesthetic doesn't mean better. Zane was more aesthetic than Arnold, but was he better than him?
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Lee beat Shawn 3 out of 4 and spare me Shawn wasn't good enough yet , Shawn was the fucking same for years on end that back double biceps shot I posted 1992 is identical to 1993/1994 yet he was no where near his best my ass ::)
I see Lee hands down better than Shawn , better symmetry , better aesthetics , better balance , better proportions , equal if not better posing , the only area he's down in his muscular bulk , Shawn is a mini-mass monster with a host a structual flaws that you can't find in Lee
you think Shawn's weaknesses got any better 2 years later? think again
Lee beat Shawn 3 out of 4 and spare me Shawn wasn't good enough yet , Shawn was the fucking same for years on end that back double biceps shot I posted 1992 is identical to 1993/1994 yet he was no where near his best my ass ::)
Shawn did make improvements over the years. His back improved considerably (compare 1991 to 1992) and his conditioning also got better (compare 92 to 93-94). Guess why Shawn beat Labrada in 93.
I see Lee hands down better than Shawn , better symmetry , better aesthetics , better balance , better proportions , equal if not better posing , the only area he's down in his muscular bulk , Shawn is a mini-mass monster with a host a structual flaws that you can't find in Lee
Both are pretty equal in the symmetry and proportions area, you can't say Lee was better. Both were known for having great symmetry and proportionate development. Both had equal posing too.
Now about the structural flaws you're talking about, here is the thing: you always put Shawn down vs Dorian because he was shorter and narrow right? Well, guess who has the advantage in height and width between Shawn and Lee? Its Shawn. And don't start with the whole long torso/short legs thing because that wasn't a problem for Shawn.
And Shawn indeed has the advantage in muscular bulk over Labrada. Couple that with better conditioning and you have Shawn Ray as the winner.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346182.0;attach=381007;image)
Dorians tricep is missing because of the dark shadows and black n white picture, basically takes 1/4 of his arm away.
Someone should brighten it up
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346182.0;attach=381007;image)
Dorians tricep is missing because of the dark shadows and black n white picture, basically takes 1/4 of his arm away.
Someone should brighten it up
You can definatley see what youre talking about. Dorians arms in 93 were more than just fine, regardless of what BS Hulkster likes to throw out. Were they a standout bodypart?
No. But they werent a detraction in 93 like Hulkster tries to make everyone think. lol.
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You just out did yourself with this post. "Shawn sucks compared to Lee" ::)
You seriously must have some serious hate or something against Shawn, is it because he almost beat Dorian in 94?
Who cares? We are discussing who was better at their respectives best years and its Shawn. Shawn wasn't at his best when he lost to Labrada.
Most aesthetic doesn't mean better. Zane was more aesthetic than Arnold, but was he better than him?
You just out did yourself with this post. "Shawn sucks compared to Lee" ::)
You seriously must have some serious hate or something against Shawn, is it because he almost beat Dorian in 94?
says the guy who claims it's a ' fact ' Shawn is better ::) I don't hate Shawn I just don't feel he's anywhere near as good as people claim he is. and Shawn almost beat Dorian in 1994? really? ??? according to whom? the same source that claims it's a ' fact ' Shawn is better than Lee?
There are real facts and then ones people try and erase and claim otherwise. Shawn didn't ' almost ' beat Dorian in 1994 not on paper and not in reality only in the fanciful world of misinformed ignorant fanboys on the internet was Shawn ' almost ' beating Dorian in 1994 because in fact Shawn was gifted second place over Kevin Levrone who he was actually behind in points after the prejudging , Shawn was NO WHERE near Dorian in 1994 only misinformed ignorant people claim otherwise
Who cares? We are discussing who was better at their respectives best years and its Shawn. Shawn wasn't at his best when he lost to Labrada.
actually NO we're not discussing who was better at their respective bests , I was proving my point that Lee beat Shawn more times than Shawn beat him. Hulkster the crybaby hates facts so he attempted to change it because ' Shawn was no where neat his best ' which is more bullshit because Shawn 1992 and Shawn 1994 are nearly identical and Shawn only beat Lee in 1993 because Lee competed in the spring shows and Shawn's only contest was the Olympia , if Lee didn't compete in early shows he would have beaten Shawn AGAIN as usual
and look at the caption from the 1992 Mr Olympia ' Shawn was in the best shape of his life '
Most aesthetic doesn't mean better. Zane was more aesthetic than Arnold, but was he better than him?
yes in 1968 when Frank beat him ;)
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Shawn did make improvements over the years. His back improved considerably (compare 1991 to 1992) and his conditioning also got better (compare 92 to 93-94). Guess why Shawn beat Labrada in 93.
Both are pretty equal in the symmetry and proportions area, you can't say Lee was better. Both were known for having great symmetry and proportionate development. Both had equal posing too.
Now about the structural flaws you're talking about, here is the thing: you always put Shawn down vs Dorian because he was shorter and narrow right? Well, guess who has the advantage in height and width between Shawn and Lee? Its Shawn. And don't start with the whole long torso/short legs thing because that wasn't a problem for Shawn.
And Shawn indeed has the advantage in muscular bulk over Labrada. Couple that with better conditioning and you have Shawn Ray as the winner.
Shawn did make improvements over the years. His back improved considerably (compare 1991 to 1992) and his conditioning also got better (compare 92 to 93-94). Guess why Shawn beat Labrada in 93.
no he didn't he gained 8 lbs since turning pro , his ' improvements ' weren't in size his conditioning did get better and his back ' improved considerably ' 91-92 how? Dorian's back improved considerably from 91-93 to make that claim without A) backing up the claim and B) by overstating his improvements really doesn't hold any weight
and I'll tell you exactly why Shawn beat Lee in 1993 because................. ...........Lee competed in the 1993 Arnold and Ironman and didn't quite replicate his early showings , Shawn didn't compete in anything but the Olympia , Lee was off ( slightly ) and Shawn was on that's the only reason Shawn finally beat Lee for ONCE it wasn't because he made some ' considerable improvements ' either
Both are pretty equal in the symmetry and proportions area, you can't say Lee was better. Both were known for having great symmetry and proportionate development. Both had equal posing too.
no they absolutely are NOT pretty equal , go back to the drawing board. I can't say Lee was better? I beg to differ , Lee's calves match his quads with better proportion than Shawn's do , Shawn had small high calves and oversized quads ontop of having short legs , Lee does NOT. Lee had a better natural structure , he had wider clavicles , he has a wider back ( relative to his frame ) his whole physique is more aligned with the classic physiques of Bob Paris , Frank Zane and Steve Reeves , Shawn's isn't.
as far as posing I think both are pretty equal
Now about the structural flaws you're talking about, here is the thing: you always put Shawn down vs Dorian because he was shorter and narrow right? Well, guess who has the advantage in height and width between Shawn and Lee? Its Shawn. And don't start with the whole long torso/short legs thing because that wasn't a problem for Shawn.
Shawn has NO advantage in width over Lee that's fantasy , Shawn has narrow clavicles that's never an advantage. the height isn't a factor Lee is 5'6" and Shawn 5'7" did you even bother to check? and yes Shawn has a long torso and short legs I know you hate hearing that but it doesn't change that fact ;) Lee is ONE INCH shorter and his physique is more balanced better upper & lower he doesn't have short legs and a long torso like Shawn or Priest or Levrone and Nasser
And Shawn indeed has the advantage in muscular bulk over Labrada. Couple that with better conditioning and you have Shawn Ray as the winner.
muscular bulk? absolutely , better conditioning? HA and you came to this conclusion how? ( you have a bad habit or just claiming things ) Lee's conditioning was top-notch at his best , and as usual you like to omit the rest of the criteria don't forget balance & proportion , the ONLY advantage Shawn has is muscular bulk then again Shawn was always heavier than Lee and consistently lost I wonder why? ;)
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Lee as usual looked outstandiing.
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says the guy who claims it's a ' fact ' Shawn is better ::) I don't hate Shawn I just don't feel he's anywhere near as good as people claim he is. and Shawn almost beat Dorian in 1994? really? ??? according to whom? the same source that claims it's a ' fact ' Shawn is better than Lee?
There are real facts and then ones people try and erase and claim otherwise. Shawn didn't ' almost ' beat Dorian in 1994 not on paper and not in reality only in the fanciful world of misinformed ignorant fanboys on the internet was Shawn ' almost ' beating Dorian in 1994 because in fact Shawn was gifted second place over Kevin Levrone who he was actually behind in points after the prejudging , Shawn was NO WHERE near Dorian in 1994 only misinformed ignorant people claim otherwise
actually NO we're not discussing who was better at their respective bests , I was proving my point that Lee beat Shawn more times than Shawn beat him. Hulkster the crybaby hates facts so he attempted to change it because ' Shawn was no where neat his best ' which is more bullshit because Shawn 1992 and Shawn 1994 are nearly identical and Shawn only beat Lee in 1993 because Lee competed in the spring shows and Shawn's only contest was the Olympia , if Lee didn't compete in early shows he would have beaten Shawn AGAIN as usual
and look at the caption from the 1992 Mr Olympia ' Shawn was in the best shape of his life '
yes in 1968 when Frank beat him ;)
says the guy who claims it's a ' fact ' Shawn is better ::) I don't hate Shawn I just don't feel he's anywhere near as good as people claim he is. and Shawn almost beat Dorian in 1994? really? ??? according to whom? the same source that claims it's a ' fact ' Shawn is better than Lee?
There are real facts and then ones people try and erase and claim otherwise. Shawn didn't ' almost ' beat Dorian in 1994 not on paper and not in reality only in the fanciful world of misinformed ignorant fanboys on the internet was Shawn ' almost ' beating Dorian in 1994 because in fact Shawn was gifted second place over Kevin Levrone who he was actually behind in points after the prejudging , Shawn was NO WHERE near Dorian in 1994 only misinformed ignorant people claim otherwise
Really, Shawn was gifted second place over Levrone? According to you, the judges or the score sheets? That's all that matters right?
Fact is Shawn was second in 94 and he was close to Dorian. I've read that almost everyone back then were thinking Shawn had it going into the night show. Even Weider himself gave Shawn his "blessing" saying he was going to win, couple that with the fact 94 is one of the most controversial contests ever still being discussed to these days then its understandable to say 94 was close.
Shawn was no where neat his best ' which is more bullshit because Shawn 1992 and Shawn 1994 are nearly identical and Shawn only beat Lee in 1993 because Lee competed in the spring shows and Shawn's only contest was the Olympia , if Lee didn't compete in early shows he would have beaten Shawn AGAIN as usual
and look at the caption from the 1992 Mr Olympia ' Shawn was in the best shape of his life '
If Lee hadn't competed in the early shows he would've beaten Shawn as usual? Says you, but the thing is he didn't, because Shawn was better than 92.
Shawn in 92 and 94 are not identical, the main difference was his conditioning.
Yes, the caption said "Shawn was in the best shape of his life" because that was written before the 94 O.
So Shawn got into his best shape up to that point in time (1992), but then got in even better shape for 93-94.
yes in 1968 when Frank beat him ;)
Good one, but Arnold wasn't near his best then. ;)
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no he didn't he gained 8 lbs since turning pro , his ' improvements ' weren't in size his conditioning did get better and his back ' improved considerably ' 91-92 how? Dorian's back improved considerably from 91-93 to make that claim without A) backing up the claim and B) by overstating his improvements really doesn't hold any weight
and I'll tell you exactly why Shawn beat Lee in 1993 because................. ...........Lee competed in the 1993 Arnold and Ironman and didn't quite replicate his early showings , Shawn didn't compete in anything but the Olympia , Lee was off ( slightly ) and Shawn was on that's the only reason Shawn finally beat Lee for ONCE it wasn't because he made some ' considerable improvements ' either
no they absolutely are NOT pretty equal , go back to the drawing board. I can't say Lee was better? I beg to differ , Lee's calves match his quads with better proportion than Shawn's do , Shawn had small high calves and oversized quads ontop of having short legs , Lee does NOT. Lee had a better natural structure , he had wider clavicles , he has a wider back ( relative to his frame ) his whole physique is more aligned with the classic physiques of Bob Paris , Frank Zane and Steve Reeves , Shawn's isn't.
as far as posing I think both are pretty equal
Shawn has NO advantage in width over Lee that's fantasy , Shawn has narrow clavicles that's never an advantage. the height isn't a factor Lee is 5'6" and Shawn 5'7" did you even bother to check? and yes Shawn has a long torso and short legs I know you hate hearing that but it doesn't change that fact ;) Lee is ONE INCH shorter and his physique is more balanced better upper & lower he doesn't have short legs and a long torso like Shawn or Priest or Levrone and Nasser
muscular bulk? absolutely , better conditioning? HA and you came to this conclusion how? ( you have a bad habit or just claiming things ) Lee's conditioning was top-notch at his best , and as usual you like to omit the rest of the criteria don't forget balance & proportion , the ONLY advantage Shawn has is muscular bulk then again Shawn was always heavier than Lee and consistently lost I wonder why? ;)
no he didn't he gained 8 lbs since turning pro , his ' improvements ' weren't in size his conditioning did get better and his back ' improved considerably ' 91-92 how? Dorian's back improved considerably from 91-93 to make that claim without A) backing up the claim and B) by overstating his improvements really doesn't hold any weight
I didn't know the exact amount of lbs he gained after turning pro, but he did improve his back because: he said so himself and it shows when you look at the pics and videos. And his conditioning definitively improved and was a but better in 93-94 than 92.
and I'll tell you exactly why Shawn beat Lee in 1993 because................. ...........Lee competed in the 1993 Arnold and Ironman and didn't quite replicate his early showings , Shawn didn't compete in anything but the Olympia , Lee was off ( slightly ) and Shawn was on that's the only reason Shawn finally beat Lee for ONCE it wasn't because he made some ' considerable improvements ' either
That could be a reason, but its just an excuse. I can go in the same direction and say that Lee beat Shawn previously because Shawn wasn't at his best. Its the same ball game, the thing is who was better at their respective best.
no they absolutely are NOT pretty equal , go back to the drawing board. I can't say Lee was better? I beg to differ , Lee's calves match his quads with better proportion than Shawn's do , Shawn had small high calves and oversized quads ontop of having short legs , Lee does NOT. Lee had a better natural structure , he had wider clavicles , he has a wider back ( relative to his frame ) his whole physique is more aligned with the classic physiques of Bob Paris , Frank Zane and Steve Reeves , Shawn's isn't.
I honestly don't get what you see, I see them equal in the symmetry and proportion area. I don't see Lee's calves matching his upper legs much better than Shawn's did. Shawn's calves were high, but not small. Lee had a better structure? I don't know.
Shawn has NO advantage in width over Lee that's fantasy , Shawn has narrow clavicles that's never an advantage. the height isn't a factor Lee is 5'6" and Shawn 5'7" did you even bother to check? and yes Shawn has a long torso and short legs I know you hate hearing that but it doesn't change that fact ;) Lee is ONE INCH shorter and his physique is more balanced better upper & lower he doesn't have short legs and a long torso like Shawn or Priest or Levrone and Nasser
Lee's clavicles aren't wider than Shawn's clavicles. Both of them have good clavicle width relative to their respective height and size. Look at Lee Priest, Phil Heath, and Levrone those are examples of narrow clavicle relative to height/size.
And we can disagree on the long torso/short legs on Shawn, compare his pics to Priest or Nasser and its a big difference. That's why I think that for his height Shawn doesn't have that problem.
muscular bulk? absolutely , better conditioning? HA and you came to this conclusion how? ( you have a bad habit or just claiming things ) Lee's conditioning was top-notch at his best , and as usual you like to omit the rest of the criteria don't forget balance & proportion , the ONLY advantage Shawn has is muscular bulk then again Shawn was always heavier than Lee and consistently lost I wonder why? ;)
Shawn only lost to Lee when his conditioning wasn't at its best. To me Shawn had better conditioning than Lee at his best (93-94).
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quit living in the past
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Really, Shawn was gifted second place over Levrone? According to you, the judges or the score sheets? That's all that matters right?
Fact is Shawn was second in 94 and he was close to Dorian. I've read that almost everyone back then were thinking Shawn had it going into the night show. Even Weider himself gave Shawn his "blessing" saying he was going to win, couple that with the fact 94 is one of the most controversial contests ever still being discussed to these days then its understandable to say 94 was close.
If Lee hadn't competed in the early shows he would've beaten Shawn as usual? Says you, but the thing is he didn't, because Shawn was better than 92.
Shawn in 92 and 94 are not identical, the main difference was his conditioning.
Yes, the caption said "Shawn was in the best shape of his life" because that was written before the 94 O.
So Shawn got into his best shape up to that point in time (1992), but then got in even better shape for 93-94.
Good one, but Arnold wasn't near his best then. ;)
Really, Shawn was gifted second place over Levrone? According to you, the judges or the score sheets? That's all that matters right?
Fact is Shawn was second in 94 and he was close to Dorian. I've read that almost everyone back then were thinking Shawn had it going into the night show. Even Weider himself gave Shawn his "blessing" saying he was going to win, couple that with the fact 94 is one of the most controversial contests ever still being discussed to these days then its understandable to say 94 was close.
NO let's toss out anything that happen and just base it all on what we think should have happened or what we would have liked to happen ::) yes according to the judges scorecards Shawn was trailing Kevin , if you want to toss out the judges you do that I'll go by what happened not what I would have liked to happen
there you go again making up facts NO Shawn was ' not close to Dorian ' that's fantasy and if you have anything of value to back up your claim fee free to post it. and everyone back then was thinking Shawn had it? really? I guess Shawn didn't get the memo ;)
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
Shawn didn't think so and none of his other contemporaries did either
quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "
quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "
Dorian sure didn't think Shawn was close.
94 is NOT one of the most ' controversial ' Olympias , 1980/1981/2001 all beat it hands down check this list http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_12_23/ai_n16034008/pg_2/ NOT one single mention of 1994 ;) and it's talked about on message boards because people favor Shawn over Yates has noting to do with facts.
but you are partially right 1994 was a close contest ....................betw een second and third
Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).
Shawn only beat Kevin by one single point and both were NO WHERE near Dorian
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
old news
so keep trying to rewrite history and I will keep teaching it.
If Lee hadn't competed in the early shows he would've beaten Shawn as usual? Says you, but the thing is he didn't, because Shawn was better than 92.
Shawn in 92 and 94 are not identical, the main difference was his conditioning.
Yes, the caption said "Shawn was in the best shape of his life" because that was written before the 94 O.
So Shawn got into his best shape up to that point in time (1992), but then got in even better shape for 93-94.
yes says me , Lee was slightly off NO coincidence Shawn beat him , it's no stretch to think if Lee hadn't competed in the spring shows he would have beat Shawn AGAIN , I have the 1992/1994 Olympia on video and the is NO difference in conditioning or size if Shawn is better in 1994 it's negligible not even worth mentioning he looks just as good same in 1993 was well , that was one of his criticisms he never really improved over his career that he was just consistent , when he tried to play the size-game ( 215lbs ) his conditioning suffered for it.
Good one, but Arnold wasn't near his best then. ;)
true but the point as Lee's only down size to Shawn and that's it.
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I didn't know the exact amount of lbs he gained after turning pro, but he did improve his back because: he said so himself and it shows when you look at the pics and videos. And his conditioning definitively improved and was a but better in 93-94 than 92.
That could be a reason, but its just an excuse. I can go in the same direction and say that Lee beat Shawn previously because Shawn wasn't at his best. Its the same ball game, the thing is who was better at their respective best.
I honestly don't get what you see, I see them equal in the symmetry and proportion area. I don't see Lee's calves matching his upper legs much better than Shawn's did. Shawn's calves were high, but not small. Lee had a better structure? I don't know.
Lee's clavicles aren't wider than Shawn's clavicles. Both of them have good clavicle width relative to their respective height and size. Look at Lee Priest, Phil Heath, and Levrone those are examples of narrow clavicle relative to height/size.
And we can disagree on the long torso/short legs on Shawn, compare his pics to Priest or Nasser and its a big difference. That's why I think that for his height Shawn doesn't have that problem.
Shawn only lost to Lee when his conditioning wasn't at its best. To me Shawn had better conditioning than Lee at his best (93-94).
I didn't know the exact amount of lbs he gained after turning pro, but he did improve his back because: he said so himself and it shows when you look at the pics and videos. And his conditioning definitively improved and was a but better in 93-94 than 92.
now you're amending your original statement of his back ' improved considerably ' how does one do that by not adding any size what so ever? ??? I have all of the videos you mentioned I don't see any considerable or noteworthy change in conditioning between the years if and that's entertaining your point it was it was negligible and not like Ronnie 97/98
That could be a reason, but its just an excuse. I can go in the same direction and say that Lee beat Shawn previously because Shawn wasn't at his best. Its the same ball game, the thing is who was better at their respective best.
I'm making no excuses just point out facts , Shawn had to peak once Lee three times MUCH harder to do three times , Shawn had only competed at the Olympia in 1992 as did Lee we all know the end result of that contest , the thing is Lee consistently beat Shawn this much we know for a fact.
I honestly don't get what you see, I see them equal in the symmetry and proportion area. I don't see Lee's calves matching his upper legs much better than Shawn's did. Shawn's calves were high, but not small. Lee had a better structure? I don't know.
needless to say I disagree
Lee's clavicles aren't wider than Shawn's clavicles. Both of them have good clavicle width relative to their respective height and size. Look at Lee Priest, Phil Heath, and Levrone those are examples of narrow clavicle relative to height/size.
And we can disagree on the long torso/short legs on Shawn, compare his pics to Priest or Nasser and its a big difference. That's why I think that for his height Shawn doesn't have that problem.
Again I disagree I think it's night-and-day between clavicle width , which when anyone brings up Shawn's flaws they will comment on this , never the case for Lee.
the limb length toso length issue is more noticeable on taller guys like Levrone and Nasser , Lee is more pronounced because his lats don't insert as low as Shawn's but it doesn't change the fact. even if entertaining your point of view the torso/leg length were the same , the proportion between the calves & quads aren't , and neither are the discrepancy between Shawn's oversized arms in relation to his torso and his narrow clavicles so he still has issues that Lee does not
Shawn only lost to Lee when his conditioning wasn't at its best. To me Shawn had better conditioning than Lee at his best (93-94).
Shawn's conditioning was great in 1992 and it usually was spot-on he was consistently in shape and the only exceptions when he tried to add more size then you can see a discrepancy worth mentioning. and at his best Shawn's conditioning might be equal to Lee's who is no slouch in conditioning.
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Lee looks unbelievable there. I'm a fan of Ray's physique but i think Lee has a better structure and lines.
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Lee looks unbelievable there. I'm a fan of Ray's physique but i think Lee has a better structure and lines.
smart man ;D
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Shawn has NO advantage in width over Lee that's fantasy , Shawn has narrow clavicles that's never an advantage. the height isn't a factor Lee is 5'6" and Shawn 5'7" did you even bother to check?
Wrong. That were their BILLED heights. Shawn had a cool 2" on Lee (not just one) and Shawn was a legit 5'6" at best. He claimed this height for himself earlier on in his career. Lee Labrada at 5'6" is just plain wrong. Do you see Kevin Levrone having had a mere 3" on him? 5'5" Francis Benfatto had at least 1-2" on him.. Lee was MAX 5'4" and in reality, probably shy of that....
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I see ND is totally being embarassed on this thread as always.
some things never change..
notice how when ever he is getting destroyed by fellow getbiggers, he breaks out the quotes and avoids all visual comparisons? ::)
did the same thing with dorian vs ronnie.
typical ND. runs from real life. posts quotes that are completely irrelevant because like dorian vs ronnie, shawn peaked after labrada left, but did kick his inferior ass in 93, which despite ND's bullshit claims, was the best each had looked to date.
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There are real facts and then ones people try and erase and claim otherwise. Shawn didn't ' almost ' beat Dorian in 1994 not on paper and not in reality only in the fanciful world of misinformed ignorant fanboys on the internet was Shawn ' almost ' beating Dorian in 1994 because in fact Shawn was gifted second place over Kevin Levrone who he was actually behind in points after the prejudging , Shawn was NO WHERE near Dorian in 1994 only misinformed ignorant people claim otherwise
so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere? LOL ::)
read the last line of musclemags contest review of 94. its been posted on the truce thread many times.
Johnny believed Shawn should have won. just like everyone else.
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With you on this one Hulkster... Lee was small even in comparison to "small guys" from the late 70's/early 80's: Danny Padilla and Mohammed Makkaway... Shawn was vastly superior in almost all aspects of his physique. Sure, Labrada had great presentation, but so did Porter Cotrel and that won him some higher placings too at ONE POINT in his career. Labrada was the leftovers from the OLD generation. Ray was the new and improved guy who began in the old generation, but was bread still in the oven. When Shawn hit his stride, he was one of, if not the best of all time. Labrada was just too diminutive. TOO underwhelming. Classic lines or not, he carried NO size and never even gave the illusion that he did. Something Ray did VERY WELL at next to MUCH bigger guys. Labrada was sinking in 1993 and could never hang with the big boys after that and he KNEW IT. Hence his retirement.
well said. I am not actually surprised that ND is arguing to the death what no one else agrees with: that Flea was better at their bests
he has already demonstrated that he has absolutely no fucking clue how to assess physiques (after all, he is clueless enough to insist dorian was better than ronnie.. ::))
so this comes as no surprise to anyone.. ::)
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so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere? LOL ::)
read the last line of musclemags contest review of 94. its been posted on the truce thread many times.
Johnny believed Shawn should have won. just like everyone else.
I followed the "sport" in the 90s, and most people I knew thought that Johnny Fitness was easily the worst of the worst. Seriously, read some of his stuff. The guy was a complete tool.
His name alone is cringe worthy.
I don't care about the 94 argument, but to describe that guy as some sort of guru is ridiculous. I read probably ever article he wrote in the 90s, so I can tell you I'm not commenting based on the article you're describing.
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Lee looks unbelievable there. I'm a fan of Ray's physique but i think Lee has a better structure and lines.
Me too
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I see ND is totally being embarassed on this thread as always.
some things never change..
notice how when ever he is getting destroyed by fellow getbiggers, he breaks out the quotes and avoids all visual comparisons? ::)
did the same thing with dorian vs ronnie.
typical ND. runs from real life. posts quotes that are completely irrelevant because like dorian vs ronnie, shawn peaked after labrada left, but did kick his inferior ass in 93, which despite ND's bullshit claims, was the best each had looked to date.
meltdown
continue begging for anyone to agree with you ;D
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so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere? LOL ::)
read the last line of musclemags contest review of 94. its been posted on the truce thread many times.
Johnny believed Shawn should have won. just like everyone else.
' renowned ' LMMFAO oh boy ;D you just keep digging yourself in a deeper and deeper hole.
I've read the line of MuscleMag's coverage the one you keep ignoring the one that said Dorian was lucky but was NOT handed out a gift , you think ' Johnny Fitness ' changes that? you think for a second he trumps the judges? think again fanboy
and I just proved to you that ' everyone ' didn't have a problem with Dorian winning in 94 NOT even Shawn ;) only internet fanboys years latter did
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I followed the "sport" in the 90s, and most people I knew thought that Johnny Fitness was easily the worst of the worst. Seriously, read some of his stuff. The guy was a complete tool.
His name alone is cringe worthy.
I don't care about the 94 argument, but to describe that guy as some sort of guru is ridiculous. I read probably ever article he wrote in the 90s, so I can tell you I'm not commenting based on the article you're describing.
;D
the guy looks just like someone who should be called ' fitness ' too :-X
Hulkster needs someone of ' worth ' to agree with him , give him a break he's really , really reaching here
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well said. I am not actually surprised that ND is arguing to the death what no one else agrees with: that Flea was better at their bests
he has already demonstrated that he has absolutely no fucking clue how to assess physiques (after all, he is clueless enough to insist dorian was better than ronnie.. ::))
so this comes as no surprise to anyone.. ::)
Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA dumbass out of the two of us it's painfully obvious which one of us knows what they're talking about ;D
Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian did ;D 1994 was the most controversial and 2001 Ronnie ' dominated ' ;D
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so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere?
Johnny Fitness, whoever he was, had the writing skills of a chambermaid and was a moron. His sole agenda was to write something against all things Weider (from their mags to their sponsored bodybuilders to whatever) while giving his boss Robert Kennedy & Musclemag a lame plug every chance he got, even when it wasn't appropriate.
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Johnny Fitness, whoever he was, had the writing skills of a chambermaid and was a moron. His sole agenda was to write something against all things Weider (from their mags to their sponsored bodybuilders to whatever) while giving his boss Robert Kennedy & Musclemag a lame plug every chance he got, even when it wasn't appropriate.
well said. and where is he now? like I said Hulkster desperately needs anyone to agree with him and he's reaching way down in the bottom of the barrel for this one.
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Wrong. That were their BILLED heights. Shawn had a cool 2" on Lee (not just one) and Shawn was a legit 5'6" at best. He claimed this height for himself earlier on in his career. Lee Labrada at 5'6" is just plain wrong. Do you see Kevin Levrone having had a mere 3" on him? 5'5" Francis Benfatto had at least 1-2" on him.. Lee was MAX 5'4" and in reality, probably shy of that....
and you came to this conclusion how? did you measure each guy? ???
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and you came to this conclusion how? did you measure each guy? ???
ND, you don't have to measure these men... Lee was described as being 5'4" for years in many magazines. Pictures of his 5'5"-5'6" wife in one article standing back to back with him (both barefeet) while she was pregnant and she was obviously taller than him...
Then we have DOZENS of pics and video footage of Lee next to 5'6" Shawn Ray (a height he claimed for himself before he upped it to 5'7") and 5'5" Francis Benfatto. We These pics and vids are all over the internet. We also know that Levrone was MAX 5'9". Again, do you see a mere 3" difference between them?
You do realize that bodybuilders are very insecure men by nature and like pro wrestlers inflate their stats ALL THE TIME? Believe everything your told. I'll believe what I SEE...
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the end of an era 91/92.
93 onward all bullshit false muscle
It's all bullshit muscle. Who's to say steroids are fine in extreme doses, but gh/slin/igf-1 are wrong?
haha
Do it on your own, or it's make believe. Just look at these fools when they come out. They usually can't do squat. Or, what have most of these guys done on their own first...except Coleman maybe?
Cutler's has been juicing since being a youngster. Zero real gains. Same with Heath, etc.
I'm sure they'd look good without, but point being, they never have.
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ND, you don't have to measure these men... Lee was described as being 5'4" for years in many magazines. Pictures of his 5'5"-5'6" wife in one article standing back to back with him (both barefeet) while she was pregnant and she was obviously taller than him...
Then we have DOZENS of pics and video footage of Lee next to 5'6" Shawn Ray (a height he claimed for himself before he upped it to 5'7") and 5'5" Francis Benfatto. We These pics and vids are all over the internet. We also know that Levrone was MAX 5'9". Again, do you see a mere 3" difference between them?
You do realize that bodybuilders are very insecure men by nature and like pro wrestlers inflate their stats ALL THE TIME? Believe everything your told. I'll believe what I SEE...
you are talking to a guy who despite seeing pics and videos of Ronnie coleman from 96 vs 99 and the substantial size increase denying everything because somewhere Flex magazine printed ronnie's weight in 1996 as 255 pounds so he believes ronnie hardly put on any muscle from the mid 90's to his early Mr. Olympia wins..
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remember: Flowerboy insists everything in the IFBB is 100% true and accurate, all printed weights, all judge scoring, everything.
he is a veteran fan with a superficial novice knowledge of how the sport actually works..
its sad really.
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remember: Flowerboy insists everything in the IFBB is 100% true and accurate, all printed weights, all judge scoring, everything.
he is a veteran fan with a superficial novice knowledge of how the sport actually works..
its sad really.
And, on the other hand, you know all the inner workings of the secret society having never even been to a pro show.
I've never seen someone devote so much time to something and know so little about it. And, it has nothing to do with Coleman vs Yates, since I have no idea who would win at their respective best, nor do I give a shit.
You're just really, really bad at this. You realize this, right?
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LOL you think that because someone is knowledgable about the sport that they have some secret knowledge of inner workings of the sport? LOL ::)
sorry bud, its called being an informed fan who has followed the sport for a long time and who knows how it works.
you don't have to have been to a pro show to do that.
I know you need to try and get something on me, since I know what I am talking about, but still, thats pretty sad.
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NO let's toss out anything that happen and just base it all on what we think should have happened or what we would have liked to happen ::) yes according to the judges scorecards Shawn was trailing Kevin , if you want to toss out the judges you do that I'll go by what happened not what I would have liked to happen
there you go again making up facts NO Shawn was ' not close to Dorian ' that's fantasy and if you have anything of value to back up your claim fee free to post it. and everyone back then was thinking Shawn had it? really? I guess Shawn didn't get the memo ;)
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
Shawn didn't think so and none of his other contemporaries did either
quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "
quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "
Dorian sure didn't think Shawn was close.
94 is NOT one of the most ' controversial ' Olympias , 1980/1981/2001 all beat it hands down check this list http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_12_23/ai_n16034008/pg_2/ NOT one single mention of 1994 ;) and it's talked about on message boards because people favor Shawn over Yates has noting to do with facts.
but you are partially right 1994 was a close contest ....................betw een second and third
Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).
Shawn only beat Kevin by one single point and both were NO WHERE near Dorian
old news
so keep trying to rewrite history and I will keep teaching it.
yes says me , Lee was slightly off NO coincidence Shawn beat him , it's no stretch to think if Lee hadn't competed in the spring shows he would have beat Shawn AGAIN , I have the 1992/1994 Olympia on video and the is NO difference in conditioning or size if Shawn is better in 1994 it's negligible not even worth mentioning he looks just as good same in 1993 was well , that was one of his criticisms he never really improved over his career that he was just consistent , when he tried to play the size-game ( 215lbs ) his conditioning suffered for it.
true but the point as Lee's only down size to Shawn and that's it.
NO let's toss out anything that happen and just base it all on what we think should have happened or what we would have liked to happen ::) yes according to the judges scorecards Shawn was trailing Kevin , if you want to toss out the judges you do that I'll go by what happened not what I would have liked to happen
there you go again making up facts NO Shawn was ' not close to Dorian ' that's fantasy and if you have anything of value to back up your claim fee free to post it. and everyone back then was thinking Shawn had it? really? I guess Shawn didn't get the memo ;)
I was just trying to show that even though the judges' call is important and its a fact that it reallt happened, other people's opinions also count. Many thought it was a close contest.
How about Weider himself thinking Shawn had it won before the night show? Shawn himself wrote that Weider gave him his "blessing", thinking he had it.
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
Shawn didn't think so and none of his other contemporaries did either
quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "
quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "
Dorian sure didn't think Shawn was close.
Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?
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now you're amending your original statement of his back ' improved considerably ' how does one do that by not adding any size what so ever? ??? I have all of the videos you mentioned I don't see any considerable or noteworthy change in conditioning between the years if and that's entertaining your point it was it was negligible and not like Ronnie 97/98
I'm making no excuses just point out facts , Shawn had to peak once Lee three times MUCH harder to do three times , Shawn had only competed at the Olympia in 1992 as did Lee we all know the end result of that contest , the thing is Lee consistently beat Shawn this much we know for a fact.
needless to say I disagree
Again I disagree I think it's night-and-day between clavicle width , which when anyone brings up Shawn's flaws they will comment on this , never the case for Lee.
the limb length toso length issue is more noticeable on taller guys like Levrone and Nasser , Lee is more pronounced because his lats don't insert as low as Shawn's but it doesn't change the fact. even if entertaining your point of view the torso/leg length were the same , the proportion between the calves & quads aren't , and neither are the discrepancy between Shawn's oversized arms in relation to his torso and his narrow clavicles so he still has issues that Lee does not
Shawn's conditioning was great in 1992 and it usually was spot-on he was consistently in shape and the only exceptions when he tried to add more size then you can see a discrepancy worth mentioning. and at his best Shawn's conditioning might be equal to Lee's who is no slouch in conditioning.
I said it before: it really doesn't matter who peaked more times or who beat who more times, its all a matter of who was better at their repsective bests and that was Shawn.
Watch Shawn in 1991 or prior and then compare it 1992 and onwards, you'll see an imporvement in back development.
Shawn was drier in 1993/1994 than in 1992, his placings show this (don't forget those were two years where he beat Levrone, but couldn't in 92). Compare any pose from 1994 to 1992, he was better conditioned in 94.
We can disagree on who has better structure, symmetry and proportions though. I see them equal, you say its Labrada. At their best they had equal conditioning you say? Great, now you has more muscle size while having the same conditioning? Shawn.
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Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?
Shawn was under Weider contract at the time when he said he 'got what he deserved'
he was not going to bad mouth the champion while under contract with Uncle Joe.
once he wasn't, he spoke how he truly felt.
that he felt he got fucked over, just like everyone else says he did.
this has been pointed out to ND a million times and he still denies it.
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LOL you think that because someone is knowledgable about the sport that they have some secret knowledge of inner workings of the sport? LOL ::)
sorry bud, its called being an informed fan who has followed the sport for a long time and who knows how it works.
you don't have to have been to a pro show to do that.
I know you need to try and get something on me, since I know what I am talking about, but still, thats pretty sad.
How are you a fan then Trollster? You're, by your own admission, are THE definition of an armchair fan. An internet fan of bodybuilding. A magazine fan of bodybuilding. Anything but a real fan that get out there and see these shows first hand. Hulk, you cannot claim to know the sounds that roars out of a F1 meet without being trackside. You cannot feel a stadium shake with 100k cheering fans without being there and seeing the action live. The Olympics is worlds different live than watching it on screen. A Wimbledon final is different court side than what you see on your screen. Everything is different live. So is a bodybuilding contest. I've stood next to these bodybuilders you've only read about in magazines or seen on Youtube. They all have more muscles laced across their bodies then you would ever realise.
Stop claiming you know what you're talking about. Just by a glance at the contents of your posts it's clear you don't. Then again, you're only trolling, so it's to be expected.
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The latest Flex cover. DY still the daddy. ;D
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. I've stood next to these bodybuilders you've only read about in magazines or seen on Youtube. They all have more muscles laced across their bodies then you would ever realise.
so have I. I have seen pros up close and personal too.
and I still know much more about the sport than you do.
just because there aren't many pro shows in my area, doesn't mean pros don't come around.
they do give seminars.
and even their weak small calves are the size of grapefruits LOL.
just when you think you have me, I am always one step ahead of you.
story of my life on getbig LOL
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so have I. I have seen pros up close and personal too.
and I still know much more about the sport than you do.
just because there aren't many pro shows in my area, doesn't mean pros don't come around.
they do give seminars.
and even their weak small calves are the size of grapefruits LOL.
just when you think you have me, I am always one step ahead of you.
story of my life on getbig LOL
" Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia " " Ronnie has more detail in his calves than Dorian did "
this sums up what you know. which is jack-fucking-shit anyone who can come to these conclusions is dumb as a bag of fucking rocks.
and your only experience with a pro is you caressed Nimrod King's calves at a seminar, everyone knows you don't have a fucking clue stop pretending.
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I was just trying to show that even though the judges' call is important and its a fact that it reallt happened, other people's opinions also count. Many thought it was a close contest.
How about Weider himself thinking Shawn had it won before the night show? Shawn himself wrote that Weider gave him his "blessing", thinking he had it.
Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?
I was just trying to show that even though the judges' call is important and its a fact that it reallt happened, other people's opinions also count. Many thought it was a close contest.
no they don't not by a long shot , you think it matters that Flex turned his back on Ronnie in 99 and raised his hand like he was number 1? you think it matters Kevin Levrone outright said he beat Ronnie in 00/02? or Jay handed Ronnie his ass in 01? you think it matters Shawn said Ronnie was the most improved in 98 and they should have an award for that and the number 1 spot isn't it?
There is what happened and all the bitching & moaning after the fact
How about Weider himself thinking Shawn had it won before the night show? Shawn himself wrote that Weider gave him his "blessing", thinking he had it.
HAHAHAHHA who cares what Shawn said? Shawn is delusional and wrong and contradicts the judges , see above , Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 according to him , his opinion is tainted , bitter and biased.
Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?
Shawn changed his mind since then it doesn't mean anything , what else is he gonna say? because someone claims they should have won it makes it so? if that's the case Ronnie owes 4 of his Olympias to other people
1994 was NOT a close contest , oh wait it was for second and third which Shawn very narrowly beat Kevin ( who he was trailing after prejudging ) by one single point. neither were close to Dorian this is a fact that crybabies can't change
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so have I. I have seen pros up close and personal too.
and I still know much more about the sport than you do.
just because there aren't many pro shows in my area, doesn't mean pros don't come around.
they do give seminars.
and even their weak small calves are the size of grapefruits LOL.
just when you think you have me, I am always one step ahead of you.
story of my life on getbig LOL
Ahahahah!!!
Hulkster desperatley trying to validate himself, but the fact is he doesnt know jack shit, and his claim to fame is seeing Nimrod Kind once. Epic fail.
Hulkster the internet fan boy doing damage control desperatley now that his fact is out.
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Ahahahah!!!
Hulkster desperatley trying to validate himself, but the fact is he doesnt know jack shit, and his claim to fame is seeing Nimrod Kind once. Epic fail.
Hulkster the internet fan boy doing damage control desperatley now that his fact is out.
Hehehehehehehe after caressing Nimrod King's calf he came to the conclusion Dorian should have lost the most dominate Olympia win in the contests history ;D and Ronnie dominated a contest in which he lost the entire prejudging
I will beat this fan-boy down using his own retarded statements whenever he types.
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so have I. I have seen pros up close and personal too.
Who have you seen? 15th place Olympia contender?
and I still know much more about the sport than you do.
Just because you write to words, doesn't make it true. Anyone who says Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorian's, has a major fucking screw loose. So no, you do not know more about the sport than I do.
just because there aren't many pro shows in my area, doesn't mean pros don't come around.
Why your area? I attended a bunch of Olympias in the 90's, having to fly HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD to attend. That is what real fans do you fucking troll. If I had to wait for a pro show to come to London I'd still be waiting and perhaps also became an internet fan like you. I've been to 20+ pro shows. How many have you been to?
they do give seminars.
And still you only ever saw Nimrod? If they give seminars, why don't you attend then? Apart from the shows, I've seen Flex, Cormier, Ronnie, Dorian and Gunther at seminars. Again, why don't you go instead of trolling on line?
just when you think you have me, I am always one step ahead of you.
story of my life on getbig LOL
Psychotic rambling of a defeated scumbag.
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Who have you seen? 15th place Olympia contender?
Just because you write to words, doesn't make it true. Anyone who says Ronnie's calves are comparable to Dorian's, has a major fucking screw loose. So no, you do not know more about the sport than I do.
Why your area? I attended a bunch of Olympias in the 90's, having to fly HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD to attend. That is what real fans do you fucking troll. If I had to wait for a pro show to come to London I'd still be waiting and perhaps also became an internet fan like you. I've been to 20+ pro shows. How many have you been to?
And still you only ever saw Nimrod? If they give seminars, why don't you attend then? Apart from the shows, I've seen Flex, Cormier, Ronnie, Dorian and Gunther at seminars. Again, why don't you go instead of trolling on line?
Psychotic rambling of a defeated scumbag.
Great post. realize who you're talking to , Hulkster the moron claimed he's just as qualified to judge a pro contest via pictures at home on the internet than a judges are live and in person.
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no they don't not by a long shot , you think it matters that Flex turned his back on Ronnie in 99 and raised his hand like he was number 1? you think it matters Kevin Levrone outright said he beat Ronnie in 00/02? or Jay handed Ronnie his ass in 01? you think it matters Shawn said Ronnie was the most improved in 98 and they should have an award for that and the number 1 spot isn't it?
There is what happened and all the bitching & moaning after the fact
HAHAHAHHA who cares what Shawn said? Shawn is delusional and wrong and contradicts the judges , see above , Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 according to him , his opinion is tainted , bitter and biased.
Shawn changed his mind since then it doesn't mean anything , what else is he gonna say? because someone claims they should have won it makes it so? if that's the case Ronnie owes 4 of his Olympias to other people
1994 was NOT a close contest , oh wait it was for second and third which Shawn very narrowly beat Kevin ( who he was trailing after prejudging ) by one single point. neither were close to Dorian this is a fact that crybabies can't change
no they don't not by a long shot , you think it matters that Flex turned his back on Ronnie in 99 and raised his hand like he was number 1? you think it matters Kevin Levrone outright said he beat Ronnie in 00/02? or Jay handed Ronnie his ass in 01? you think it matters Shawn said Ronnie was the most improved in 98 and they should have an award for that and the number 1 spot isn't it?
There is what happened and all the bitching & moaning after the fact
It would matter if more people agreed with them, but as you know almost nobody agrees with them on those topics regarding Ronnie.
HAHAHAHHA who cares what Shawn said? Shawn is delusional and wrong and contradicts the judges , see above , Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 according to him , his opinion is tainted , bitter and biased.
Shawn changed his mind since then it doesn't mean anything , what else is he gonna say? because someone claims they should have won it makes it so? if that's the case Ronnie owes 4 of his Olympias to other people
1994 was NOT a close contest , oh wait it was for second and third which Shawn very narrowly beat Kevin ( who he was trailing after prejudging ) by one single point. neither were close to Dorian this is a fact that crybabies can't change
I understand what "really" happened (Shawn closely beating Levrone and neither of them being close to Dorian as far as score sheets are concerned), but is that the end of it? I mean so many people think differently of that show that its incredible.
As far as Ronnie's wins, how many people in the industry think he owes his Olympias? How many people still talk about the 94 O?
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It would matter if more people agreed with them, but as you know almost nobody agrees with them on those topics regarding Ronnie.
I understand what "really" happened (Shawn closely beating Levrone and neither of them being close to Dorian as far as score sheets are concerned), but is that the end of it? I mean so many people think differently of that show that its incredible.
As far as Ronnie's wins, how many people in the industry think he owes his Olympias? How many people still talk about the 94 O?
It would matter if more people agreed with them, but as you know almost nobody agrees with them on those topics regarding Ronnie.
No one? says you lots of people feel he could have or should have lost those contest.
I understand what "really" happened (Shawn closely beating Levrone and neither of them being close to Dorian as far as score sheets are concerned), but is that the end of it? I mean so many people think differently of that show that its incredible.
As far as Ronnie's wins, how many people in the industry think he owes his Olympias? How many people still talk about the 94 O?
says you , so many people are ignorant of how contests are judged and base everything off of what they personally like better or who they would rather look like. and yes that's the end of it period. Dorian has the Sandow for the 94 Olympia he prize money he received is long gone NOT Shawn , Kevin , not Dillett at the time had a problem with the win , only on message boards does it keep being brought up by people who like Shawn's physique better
and I just showed you people in the ' industry ' didn't agree with Ronnie's Olympias and NONE of them matter , Ronnie won regardless of what people say.
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lets get one thing clear:
Shawn never 'changed his mind' on how he felt about his placing at the 94 olympia.
he always felt this way and said so many times.
but when he was under contract with Uncle Joe he wasn't going to bad mouth the olympia champion in Flex magazine.
this is simple business politics 101 folks..but that is something ND will never understand as he works with flowers. he doesn't understand life in the business world.
when you are under contract with someone, you say what they want you to say or you get the axe.
its career suicide.
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" Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia " " Ronnie has more detail in his calves than Dorian did "
its sad you keep listing these.
I said dorian deserved to lose 5 years ago when there were no vids, no screenshots just a few pics.
once more visuals came out, I quickly amended my position.
this is the difference between me and you: I think critically and re-evaluate my position based on cold hard evidence.
you ignore all the evidence and go on your position anyway, even if the visuals later show it to be incorrect.
classic fallacy.
as far as dorian's calves go, if you bring up that thread, you will see that I did that specifically to challenge you to do what you never do: back up your position with evidence.
and you know what? it still took you 8 pages to do it.
thats how sad you are. you don't even know how to back up a position. you just ramble and expect everyone to think it must be true.
it isn't. unless you prove it.
understand? ::)
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^yet another lesson to ND taught by Hulkster.
will it ever end? I think not.
ND is just too damn delusional.
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lets get one thing clear:
Shawn never 'changed his mind' on how he felt about his placing at the 94 olympia.
he always felt this way and said so many times.
but when he was under contract with Uncle Joe he wasn't going to bad mouth the olympia champion in Flex magazine.
this is simple business politics 101 folks..but that is something ND will never understand as he works with flowers. he doesn't understand life in the business world.
when you are under contract with someone, you say what they want you to say or you get the axe.
its career suicide.
This statement once again proves you don't know shit as usual. Shawn was always know as the most outspoken and critical bodybuilders when he was competing. the funny thing is when contest writers used to ask him for a comment they knew he wouldn't shut up
Here is Shawn outright say Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 ( funny at the time he never mentioned Dorian should have lost in 1994 ;) ) this was while he was competing , so once again your bullshit claim contradicts reality & the facts
Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.
Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.
Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.
This statement alone proves as usual you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Mr I met Nimrod King so I'm qualified to judge contests LMFAO
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its sad you keep listing these.
I said dorian deserved to lose 5 years ago when there were no vids, no screenshots just a few pics.
once more visuals came out, I quickly amended my position.
this is the difference between me and you: I think critically and re-evaluate my position based on cold hard evidence.
you ignore all the evidence and go on your position anyway, even if the visuals later show it to be incorrect.
classic fallacy.
as far as dorian's calves go, if you bring up that thread, you will see that I did that specifically to challenge you to do what you never do: back up your position with evidence.
and you know what? it still took you 8 pages to do it.
thats how sad you are. you don't even know how to back up a position. you just ramble and expect everyone to think it must be true.
it isn't. unless you prove it.
understand? ::)
its sad you keep listing these.
I said dorian deserved to lose 5 years ago when there were no vids, no screenshots just a few pics.
once more visuals came out, I quickly amended my position.
this is the difference between me and you: I think critically and re-evaluate my position based on cold hard evidence.
LIAR you're full of shit as usual. just a few pics? I started posting in 2004 and I posted every single picture from the magazine coverage from Muscle & Fitness , Flex Magazine , Muscular Development , MuscleMag International , Ironman Magazine , plus there was Youtube video , and the screencaps from forcedreps , so as usual you are a LIAR
you clung to that monumentally moronic point of view for a very long time until I constantly kept throwing it your face and you took a serious beating for it ;) and there were no pics of Ronnie or Dorian's calves either hahgahahahaha dumbass when pushed on that insanely stupid statement you back peddled too
as far as dorian's calves go, if you bring up that thread, you will see that I did that specifically to challenge you to do what you never do: back up your position with evidence.
and you know what? it still took you 8 pages to do it.
The sad fact is you actually believed that and there would be no need to prove Dorian had more detailed calves than Ronnie , that's laughable like most of your posts ;)
you are the guy who claimed Ronnie dominated in 2001 , how does one dominate by losing the entire prejudging , you claimed 98 wasn't a close contest yet they are separated by just 3 points in what remains one of the closest contests in history , you claimed 99 is Ronnie's best showing , he was better conditioned in 99 , Ronnie was more grainy in 99 than Dorian ever was , Shawn beats Dorian in a back pose , contests were fixed for Dorian but not for Ronnie
You are constantly wrong and almost everything you type directly contradicts reality & facts. you know nothing and I will continue to expose you for the ignorant biased troll you are. ;)
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^yet another lesson to ND taught by Hulkster.
will it ever end? I think not.
ND is just too damn delusional.
A lesson in how troll? you've been teaching us that for years.
for a real lesson look above and look at James28 post where you're pussied out ;D because it's just another person owning the living shit out of you. ;D
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LIAR you're full of shit as usual. just a few pics? I started posting in 2004 and I posted every single picture from the magazine coverage from Muscle & Fitness , Flex Magazine , Muscular Development , MuscleMag International , Ironman Magazine , plus there was Youtube video , and the screencaps from forcedreps , so as usual you are a LIAR
wrong wrong wrong.
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all there was back then were a few pics that were scanned, like this, showing how awful the structure was of dorian compared to Flex:
ND owned by me yet again. same old same old..
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wrong wrong wrong.
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all there was back then were a few pics that were scanned, like this, showing how awful the structure was of dorian compared to Flex:
ND owned by me yet again. same old same old..
how fucking stupid can you get? I scanned that along with every other picture from every magazines coverage of the day , plus Youtube video and you still came to the conclusion he lost LMFAO which proves you wrong on you know what you're talking and the fact that you can NOT judge via pics and videos which you claimed you could hahahahahahaha owned again dumbass , you're the genius who claimed you're just as qualified to judge a contest sitting at home on your PC as judges are live and in person 3 feet away ;)
and look at all the contradictory claims to came to , Dorian lost in 93 , Ronnie dominated in 01 , 98 wasn't close , Shawn beats Dorian in a back pose LMMFAO Ronnie has more detailed calves , 94 was controversial but 01 wasn't , shall I continue?
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no, the clips of the contest only came around the same time as the screenshots of 93/99.
not way back in the beginning of the ronnie/dorian debates on this board.
holy shit man you have no sense of time. you are several years off. ::)
clueless and fucked up as always. ::)
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no, the clips of the contest only came around the same time as the screenshots of 93/99.
not way back in the beginning of the ronnie/dorian debates on this board.
holy shit man you have no sense of time. you are several years off. ::)
clueless and fucked up as always. ::)
lets entertain you are right ( which you're not as always ) it doesn't matter there was ALL the contest coverage from ALL of the magazines and you still come to retarded conclusions regardless so you're fucked either way dummy
that wouldn't negate ALL of the stupid shit you posted since then , like 98 wasn't close , Shawn beats Dorian in ANY back pose , 94 was the most controversial and 2001 wasn't , Ronnie dominates by losing the whole prejudging , 99 is his best , shall I continue
YOU are STUPID you don't know a fucking thing and everything that you do commit to is proven dead wrong
keep typing I'll keep exposing you for what you are
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lets get one thing clear:
Shawn never 'changed his mind' on how he felt about his placing at the 94 olympia.
he always felt this way and said so many times.
but when he was under contract with Uncle Joe he wasn't going to bad mouth the olympia champion in Flex magazine.
this is simple business politics 101 folks..but that is something ND will never understand as he works with flowers. he doesn't understand life in the business world.
when you are under contract with someone, you say what they want you to say or you get the axe.
its career suicide.
AHAHAHAH!!!
More shit where youre trying to put words into someones mouth... Or more precisely say what theyre thinking.
Ive seen videos of Shawn later in his career where he said he got mad at Dorian cause he was so close to winning, but that was it, he was just upset cause he was so close. So your "words" are nothing more than someone trying desperatley to twist someones words to fit his own agenda.
You are a sadly delusional retard Hulkster, and I pity you.
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LOL you don't understand the business world either do ya?
there is a reason why shawn was fine with the placing while under Weider Contract but pissed off after he was out from under Weider contract.
its sad how there are some getbiggers who really have no clue.. :-\
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AHAHAHAH!!!
More shit where youre trying to put words into someones mouth... Or more precisely say what theyre thinking.
Ive seen videos of Shawn later in his career where he said he got mad at Dorian cause he was so close to winning, but that was it, he was just upset cause he was so close. So your "words" are nothing more than someone trying desperatley to twist someones words to fit his own agenda.
You are a sadly delusional retard Hulkster, and I pity you.
he constantly needs to make things up because everything he types is contradictory to facts.
this has become a typical Hulkster post " I'm right I've been proving you guys wrong for years it's a shame you all can't be as smart as me and none of you know the business "
he's defeated and have been reduced to begging anyone to agree with him and reduced to just claiming nonsensical shit , trolling and speaking for others.
he obviously doesn't care about looking like a fool anymore :-\
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AHAHAHAH!!!
More shit where youre trying to put words into someones mouth... Or more precisely say what theyre thinking.
Ive seen videos of Shawn later in his career where he said he got mad at Dorian cause he was so close to winning, but that was it, he was just upset cause he was so close. So your "words" are nothing more than someone trying desperatley to twist someones words to fit his own agenda.
You are a sadly delusional retard Hulkster, and I pity you.
So you agree that the 94 O was close?
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No one? says you lots of people feel he could have or should have lost those contest.
says you , so many people are ignorant of how contests are judged and base everything off of what they personally like better or who they would rather look like. and yes that's the end of it period. Dorian has the Sandow for the 94 Olympia he prize money he received is long gone NOT Shawn , Kevin , not Dillett at the time had a problem with the win , only on message boards does it keep being brought up by people who like Shawn's physique better
and I just showed you people in the ' industry ' didn't agree with Ronnie's Olympias and NONE of them matter , Ronnie won regardless of what people say.
Ok, I understand your points here. Let's leave this whole 94 Olympia argument alone, its a thing of the past.
By the way: Shawn>Labrada ;D
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Ok, I understand your points here. Let's leave this whole 94 Olympia argument alone, its a thing of the past.
By the way: Shawn>Labrada ;D
Shawn beat Lee ONCE Lee beat Shawn THREE times ;)
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and Charles Clairmonte and Porter Cotrell both beat ronnie coleman many times.
now can you understand how stupid it is to use contest results for your arguments? ::)
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and Charles Clairmonte and Porter Cotrell both beat ronnie coleman many times.
now can you understand how stupid it is to use contest results for your arguments? ::)
Dummy they beat Ronnie when he no where near his best , Lee beat Shawn near his best. in fact they said in 92 Shawn was in the best shape of his life and he got his ass handed to him by Lee
the difference stupid Ronnie wasn't in the shape of his life when Porter or Charles beat him dumbass learn the difference.
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Dummy they beat Ronnie when he no where near his best , Lee beat Shawn near his best. in fact they said in 92 Shawn was in the best shape of his life and he got his ass handed to him by Lee
the difference stupid Ronnie wasn't in the shape of his life when Porter or Charles beat him dumbass learn the difference.
Shawn was in the best shape of his life up to that point in time (1992), but that wasn't his all time best.
1993-1994 were his all time best.
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Shawn was in the best shape of his life up to that point in time (1992), but that wasn't his all time best.
1993-1994 were his all time best.
Says you I don't see much difference especially not enough to warrant a mention.
Shawn was 205lbs all of those years in great shape
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Says you I don't see much difference especially not enough to warrant a mention.
Shawn was 205lbs all of those years in great shape
Compare with his BDB shot in the 1st page of the thread:
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Compare with his BDB shot in the 1st page of the thread:
Looks every bit has good to claim he's not near his best is dumb in fact he looks better in the 92 mostly likey due to the lighting.
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Looks every bit has good to claim he's not near his best is dumb in fact he looks better in the 92 mostly likey due to the lighting.
He looks drier in the 94 pic despite the lighting difference, just compare the lower body in both pics.
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He looks drier in the 94 pic despite the lighting difference, just compare the lower body in both pics.
No he doesn't
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compare: he was a lot better in 94 than in 92, although he was in respectable shape in 92. its interesting to note that ND is insisting there was no difference in an effort to save his argument since I owned him with the Porter/Clairmonte/ronnie comparison..ND always goes against common knowledge and real life: ::)
http://muscletime.com/gallery/pro-bodybuilding/olympia-contest/1992-olympia/1992-mr-olympia-12
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compare: he was a lot better in 94 than in 92, although he was in respectable shape in 92. its interesting to note that ND is insisting there was no difference in an effort to save his argument since I owned him with the Porter/Clairmonte/ronnie comparison..ND always goes against common knowledge and real life: ::)
http://muscletime.com/gallery/pro-bodybuilding/olympia-contest/1992-olympia/1992-mr-olympia-12
typical dummy you I just posted two comparisons side-by-side and your retort is the old Hulkster ' see ' yeah I see Dorian lost in 93 and Ronnie had more detailed calves , and 94 was close and 01 wasn't , I see all of your ' points ' ::)
and moron Ronnie was NOT in the shape of his life when Porter or Charles beat him you own nothing , you know nothing
like James28 said you are nothing but an internet fanboy ;)
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It only takes 3 minutes of work to own the living shit out of you Hulkster ;) as usual you lack any challenge what so ever.
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I will continue to embarrass you Hulkster and your stupid ass claims
the left is when Ronnie was getting beat by Porter & Charles and the right is when that nonsense stopped ;)
and again ( retard ) Ronnie wasn't in the shape of his life when they were beating him either ;)
6 minutes to rub your face in your own shit ;D