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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on August 21, 2010, 11:11:48 PM
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I figured since John Romano was willing to post a front picture that I would too.
Training:
I don't want to make excuses, but my lack of size is not due to training improperly. Today I placed 9th in my city's strongest man contest [with only a 445 deadlift by the way]. It made me really question how many of the posted gym stats on boards are accurate. ::) Funny how none of these strong guys who exist on the boards ever show up at contests, at least where I'm from.
I attribute my lack of size to genetics and nutrition.
Genetics:
I think this says it all [November 2000]:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/10psxoo.jpg)
Nutrition:
If I eat 1,200 calories per day I feel perfectly fine all day. There is no question about it, if I get 1,200 calories in, I am not hungry whatsoever throughout the day and this includes days where I do fairly heavy [for me] deadlift workouts, e.g., 360 - 5X5, one rep at a time, followed by max singles, 430-455 range. At 1,800 calories or more per day, it is at the point where I am feeling full. 3,000 would be pushing the point of feeling ill, although I do believe that 3,000 calories is realistic for me to condition my stomach towards. I have had this low of an appetite my entire life so I think it would take some serious conditioning for my stomach to tolerate over 3,000 calories on a daily basis.
I find that I am never adequately hydrated from a bodybuilding point of view so in the summer I am weaker because I spend a lot of time indoors all year so in the summer I am still sweating indoors or out whereas in the winter I am only dehydrating while outside in the cold. I intend to be stronger for my next strength contest in October as the weather cools.
Anyway, looking at John's pictures made me wonder whether or not some people will never have good chest size/separation no matter what they do. I think that my pecs feel thick but they don't look it.
Given that I have a bench 1RM of 315+ and this is what my chest looks like, is it possible that I will always have a weak chest?
My ideal physique would be something along the lines of the two photos following mine. The first is Tim Wescott who is 5'8 and 165 in contest and the next is my friend who is just under 6'0 and 175. Would cutting my body fat bring out any chest separation or do I just lack the mass due to genetics?
My weight is around 170.
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This is 165? ???
He honestly looks amazing!
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Thanks Matt,but I only weigh 154 in that bottom pic and about 160 in the top one.
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matt is becoming a man, no doubt about it
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It's all about bodyfat with you. You're bodyfat is actually quite high.
Your chest is much better than the 6ft dude's.
Get down to about 145-150 and your chest will look MUCH better
Like you, I never thought my chest was any good until I dieted
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Dropping some weight will also chisel your face.
Chicks dig that
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Matt,what do you do for your pecs?
I beleive that 5-12 reps in pyramid style,followed by a burnout set is the best method to build them.
Powerlifting is only gonna` do so much,plus sooner or later,you`ll end up hurt.
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Would cutting my body fat bring out any chest separation or do I just lack the mass due to genetics?
My weight is around 170.
matt, I love ya brother... youre a wise dude and I have enjoyed reading your posts for years. Sometimes I agree, sometimes not, but i always read.
That being said...
I have shit genetics myself - I was 25 years old and a shitload skinnier than you were in that pic. 120 pounds at 5 foot 10 before I started lifting consistently. And today, I'm not a bodybuilder, but i look like a new person. I'm gonna throw my own suggestions at ya, based upon what i've seen in your training clips and what i have learned. This is my own opinion, of course, so i may be full of shit. But I'll give it a shot man...
Your training form is too sloppy. you move a ton of weight in your youtube training clips, but it's all momentum. Just slow it down and reduce the weight by 25% and pause/contract on every rep.
Your shoulders and triceps are why you bench 315, not your chest. Use pre-exhaust 15 reps of slow DB flyes, THEN hit your bench in a super set. You'll pre-exhaust your pecs so they'll do some work in the beching. Your shoulders are incredible but they're doing the work when you do chest - think about frank mcgrath - biceps so good he can't train back effectively.
Diet... you shouldn't be thinking of 1200 vs 1800 calories... you should be thinking of "4 meals of a big pile of beef/chicken, carbs and gravy, 2 protein shakes, and 2 big ass garden salads" each day.
Being hydrated - HUGE problem there. Just carry a water gallon everywhere with you (tacky, sure), but make yourself drink it every day. One gallon a day. Then you'll get to 1.5 gallons, then maybe even 2. it's not tough to do.
I wouldn''t worry AT ALL about losing body fat to get the chest showing better. I'd be more focused on eating a shitload of food, drinking a ton of water, using creating 3x daily, and hitting pecs every 5 days with prexhaust. Clean up the form, stop worrying about how much weight you're moving. Just focus on using shit heavy weight for 6 to 8 perfect reps with no shaking, NO MOMENTUM, etc.
I very rarely give any advice on training cause hey, I'm as full of shit as anyone else and I'm no expert. but we're in about the same boat. You just don't look THICK to me. Drink water, train slow, eat big, and just slow down. Stop thinking about getting diced. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents. Good luck in your journey.
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Good advice Rob !
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Your training and diet suck.
Who cares how much you can lift , thats not going to build muscle ..intensity will and muscles need time under tension to grow.
I havent watched your vids but if like Rob says your form is sloppy then theres one of the problems , building muscle is not "weightlifting" its "weight feeling"
Eatting , you need to make an effort to train your self to eat right.
Im tired so cant be assed typing any more ;D
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I figured since John Romano was willing to post a front picture that I would too.
Training:
If I eat 1,200 calories per day I feel perfectly fine all day. There is no question about it, if I get 1,200 calories in, I am not hungry whatsoever throughout the day and this includes days where I do fairly heavy [for me] deadlift workouts, e.g., 360 - 5X5, one rep at a time, followed by max singles, 430-455 range. At 1,800 calories or more per day, it is at the point where I am feeling full.
Here is the problem. Look at your appetite. If you are training properly and building muscle, your body will induce more appetite since muscle growth requires it. Your bird like appetite tells me very little muscle is being developed. Your genetics are quite impressive actually. Being as strong as you are is quite a genetic gift.
For muscle growth,I'd suggest changing your powerlifting routines. Slow down your reps. Squeeze at the point of peak contraction for 2 seconds per rep, each set should last 45 seconds or more (each rep should take 5 seconds) depending on bodyparts. A set of 20 rep forearm curls should take a good minute and a half. Training this way will not only result in using lighter weights but will result in a large reduction of volume as well. You'll have much more functional strength outside the gym, and it will last longer. Your physique will look much better as well with likely gains of 20lbs or more. Just remember to rest 2 days in between workouts, you'll need it!
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150 pound guys will soon be taking over Getbig. Arvillaism has struck.
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I don't want to make excuses, but my lack of size is not due to training improperly.
Well you obviously aren't on the Test, EQ and Dbol stack which you were running before. Drop the clen and Winstrol lady-stacks you're on now.
Westcott looks like he's running a nice test, deca, tren and halotestin combo in that outside pic. You know what you need to do Matt. ;)
No diet or training modification matters if the hormones aren't in place. You've been training long enough to have plateaued with that obviously. Sure you could get fatter but you obviously don't want that.
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Westcott looks like he's running a nice test, deca, tren and halotestin combo in that outside pic. You know what you need to do Matt. ;)
Almost as good at guesswork as GH15 !! :)
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hey matt C,
You have good strength for your size, or for any size for that matter. Training for strength and size are two diff. things...although they kind of go hand in hand as well. Don't blame genetics...your genetics dont look that bad. I think you just need to gain some solid weight, and then diet down all the way and see where your at. Set a goal of weighing 200 lbs, and then diet down. After you do, then set a new goal of 220 lbs and then diet down....keep doing this...and eventually, youll be pretty big. Since people are throwing up progress pics...below are a few of mine.
2003 (18 years old)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo338.jpg)
2007 (22 years old)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/444.jpg)
2010 (25 years old)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo1005.jpg)
You looked good at 22 , thats fantastic progress for four years.had you been training at all in the first pic ?
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You look great Matt - your chest will always be behind... who cares.
At least you have great delts, small waist and good arms - nothing worse than a titman(barrel chest) with stick arms.
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Props Matt for posting pics. It takes a lot of guts because this is a very brutal and unforgiving board and some of your harshest critics will be the ones who will never post pics of themselves. I, too have a tough time with my chest. I have long arms and I can feel my tris giving out before it seems like my pecs have even begun to warm up. I believe in pre-exhausting them with a fly movement. I like the Nautilus type pec dec and think it's very important to stretch all the way back. Really rip them off your sternum. And when you can't do any more complete reps do partials in the stretch position until you want to cry. Then hit a pressing movement. I've been trying to really get an improvement in the last 4 months and my pecs are always sore after a workout but I'm 50 years old now. Some have mentioned that they seem "beefier" and I have put on a few pounds. I'm not sure. First one is the "before" and the next one was taken last night.
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Props Matt for posting pics. It takes a lot of guts because this is a very brutal and unforgiving board and some of your harshest critics will be the ones who will never post pics of themselves. I, too have a tough time with my chest. I have long arms and I can feel my tris giving out before it seems like my pecs have even begun to warm up. I believe in pre-exhausting them with a fly movement. I like the Nautilus type pec dec and think it's very important to stretch all the way back. Really rip them off your sternum. And when you can't do any more complete reps do partials in the stretch position until you want to cry. Then hit a pressing movement. I've been trying to really get an improvement in the last 4 months and my pecs are always sore after a workout but I'm 50 years old now. Some have mentioned that they seem "beefier" and I have put on a few pounds. I'm not sure. First one is the "before" and the next one was taken last night.
I dont think anyone has been harsh other than give Matt the truth , his training and diet are shit end of.
You wont gain anything sitting at 8 % unless you are on a crapload of hormones and gh as well. but hey you look great for an older guy so why would you want to gain size ?
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You look great Matt - your chest will always be behind... who cares.
At least you have great delts, small waist and good arms - nothing worse than a titman(barrel chest) with stick arms.
x2. IMO i dont think its his diet or training, its genetics. Chest will alway be behind and not seperated. Matt has been weight training for years now, regardless of his style and diet, if he was meant to have a separated big chest he would have had one by now. I have the same problem as you but not as bad,my chest separation sucks. And I've done every rep range, excercise in the book for it...no noticeable changes. The same way Munzer never had abs despite being on a shitload of drugs and a ridiculously low BF. some guys never get separation on some body parts no matter what.
but your shoulders look sick man. also when you get a chest pump, does your chest look more seperated? or does it always look like that?
i know after a chest workout,mine always looks alot more seperated. But after the pump, its back to minimal separation.
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I dont think anyone has been harsh other than give Matt the truth , his training and diet are shit end of.
You wont gain anything sitting at 8 % unless you are on a crapload of hormones and gh as well. but hey you look great for an older guy so why would you want to gain size ?
I don't really know how bad his diet and training is.
I got a rib injury (OK, I got the crap beat out of me in a scrap) so I couldn't really roll. The injury didn't really effect my weight training other over head pull up type movements so I figure since I'll be way less active I'll modify my training a bit and see if it makes a difference. Instead of the circuit type training I do focusing on conditioning I'll slow things down a bit and try to focus more on progression -- moving more weight, getting more reps. Also, eating more of course.
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I don't really know how bad his diet and training is.
I got a rib injury (OK, I got the crap beat out of me in a scrap) so I couldn't really roll. The injury didn't really effect my weight training other over head pull up type movements so I figure since I'll be way less active I'll modify my training a bit and see if it makes a difference. Instead of the circuit type training I do focusing on conditioning I'll slow things down a bit and try to focus more on progression -- moving more weight, getting more reps. Also, eating more of course.
Ah ok , so just a change of pace.
Well you are in great shape now , even if you let yourself upto a legit 10 % you will still be lean but I think with the heavier training and more food you will still be ripped but your muscles will look alot fuller..
JNN needs to do this as well, his body needs a break ..you guys will still look awesome , you wont get fat you will be lean full and mean. :D
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Yes it's amazing how low you must go in weight to look good
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Everyone is skinny as a teenager.
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Matt C,
You need to lose 30-50 lbs to be truly ripped. If you are maintaining the fat on your current physique with 1300 calories, something is wrong with you medically (thyroid) or you are mistaken or perhaps you need to really be in the 130 lb range eating at 130 lb physique levels (which does make sense given the amount of fat we see on you at this moment).
Either way you are pretty fat and will be 130-140 lbs ripped which is not entirely too bad.
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Matt C,
You need to lose 30-50 lbs to be truly ripped. If you are maintaining the fat on your current physique with 1300 calories, something is wrong with you medically (thyroid) or you are mistaken or perhaps you need to really be in the 130 lb range eating at 130 lb physique levels (which does make sense given the amount of fat we see on you at this moment).
Either way you are pretty fat and will be 130-140 lbs ripped which is not entirely too bad.
This guy doesnt know what he's talking about. Your skin is very pale and I imagine you're closer to 12-15% bodyfat and only need to lose 10-15 pounds to be shredded.
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I know what I am talking about and if he diets down he will see for himself.
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Well one thing is for sure - Adonis knows how to get lean.
I think his 30-50 lbs guess is closer to the truth than 10-15 lbs.
50 lbs might be exaggerated but it also depends if we're talking about everyday ripped or contest shape.
1300 kcals ? That is really really low. I would go and see a doctor about that.
I bet your chest would look a lot better if you were leaner but dieting on less than 1300 kcal a day seems like starving to me.
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I am talking ripped to the max, contest shape.
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you main problem is size,,you are just not big enough,,its not enough to have arm mesure ok number,,what matters is over all thickness,,reason thsoe guy you like look better is because they first were thick then cut down,,you can have 16 inch arm but if you thick enough and then diet you will look much more impressive,,
secondly the picture you take always with white wall behind ,,this give illusion to your actual size because it make yo llook bigger this way,,only in real life or in picture where you around other people you can see that youre quite small bodybuilder why? again lack of trhickness ,,,since you do have good arms and good shoulders and proportion,,
your body fat% is 9-10% not 12% reason you cant see abs clear is the way your body hold fat and water,,eventhough with you its mainly fat since your skin elasticity is good,,never the less body fat is 9-10%
your main problem is that you do not use aas in correct way ,,you use sperangly ,,the idea behind using hormones is to minimize times off and increase time on ,,to a point where its all one big cycle with changing compounds on regular basis,,
your caloric intake must be higher,,1200 calories is NOT enough ,,i would say if you dont do anything during a dya beside sleep and train you need at least 2000 calories inside you to grow for your size/weight level
an mdrol testosterone tren ace steroid cycle for a fella like you will help tremendestly in getting the thickness needed,,if you had less lean muscle i would also recomend eq or deca but at your level from what i can see this is the first produts i woudl recomend in your next cycle
mdrol,,testosterone ,,trenbolone,,
mdrol because the way your mid section look ,,other wize i would say dianabol,,anapolon is faked too much and will not suit you since you want dianabol gains with duretic effect which = superdrol which = mdrol,,
finally most important thing ,,your pecs is genetic they will look better at 180lb after a cycle when you get down to 8% but body weight gets up to 180-190lb
a fella such as yourself should never step on stage or in a gym less than 190lb at 10% due to height,,the other fellas are smaller guys ,,5'8 5'7 isd quite small guys they can pull 170 ,,you can not no matter how cut your arms look against white wall in frotn relaxed,,
bodybuilders who tend to have your type of arm usually tend to have weak chest ,,their arms are just too over devekloped for their pecs,,genetically that is ,,you can see it in your first pic from 2000 how your arms are the only thing you had as in they were strong poitn for you to begin with for your level of begginer,,then you developed the delts to a decent level but the chest just stayed way behind because the arms and delts are simply taking the work from the chest no matter how much you try to isolate the chest ,,as i said bodybuilders of the such can only have good chest when they are pumped if they pump well,,any other time chest will be flat,,and flat chest is big no no in bodybuilding,,chest is more important than arms !
finally,, inorder to step on stage you will have to lose about 15lb while on hormones ,,naturally will be more ,,right nwo the weight on stage for fella like you is 155lb on hormones
gh15 approved
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I think to be shredded you woud have to lose about 30 lbs.
This is me before I started dieting for a show 5'9'' 175lbs , competed at shredded 154 lbs ,no supplemments (just whey protein ), diuretics or drugs .
BEWARE THONG PIC
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Jesus che your thighs are huge.
Matt C you look good, fitter and stronger than most will ever be. You'd look a lot bigger with a tan and a shave. I am in the same boat as you food-wise; I'm perfectly full all day long on 2000 calories which is unfortunately not enough to build any muscle. If you want to get bigger you really have to eat at uncomfortable levels which is the hard part in my opinion (lifting weights for an hour a day or so is easy, anyone can do that).
I see a lot of guys in the gym who come in and bench 135 for reps or 225 for reps every single time they are there. I'm a lot more impressed by the guy who benches 95 lbs, then 100 the next time, then 105, 110, etc. Slow and steady progress.
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Don't try to go from 1300 to 3000, it will be "impossible" and you will add fat because your body is used to 1300 calories.
Add 300 calories every week until you are up at the desired amount. That way your body will "need" the calories and eating only 1300 then would not be sufficient. You have (over a long period of time) conditioned your body to work on 1300 calories.
The 300 calorie increase can be 30g carbs and 30g protein.
Try this:
week 1: 1300 cals
week 2: 1600 cals
week 3: 1900 cals
week 4: 2200 cals
Stay at 2200 cals for a while and see what happens, adjust accordingly. Stay there or increase another 300 and re-evaluate.
Sidenote: 2200 cals is only 250g carbs and 250g protein. (if you eat clean and keep the fat low, around 20-25g)
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what about you keep being fairly and naturally muscular and lean, stop wanting to be someone you arent and enjoy the ride while giving the whole bodybuilding thing a rest.... its only for losers who need to compensate for their psychological troubles ...
Lift, eat healthy, do some other sports on the side, and you re set. More than this is just retarded. Those who focus on their bodies are those who lack what is required to succeed into other ventures in life, relationships, intelectual tasks. They also tend to be the most egocentrical, self centered and immature individuals. They re not even happier anyway. Mostly cause they re trying to cope with traumatisms originating in their childhood or adolescence. It's always been the same crap. A healthy life is a well balanced life with lot of different and significant stuff going on. Not just focusing on your bodyfat or the size of your biceps...
And there s always someone bigger, better, than you anyway.
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in all honesty - the guys are correct.
1st - you need to drop the powerlifting moves - bench in pl is all tri's and shoulders - which are your strong point. change to slower movements, widen the grip width, increase the reps to 6-10 and lower the weight.
2nd - increase calories by 500 a day, while each time at the gym increasing the weight on the bar 5-10%.
3rd when your strength stalls, and/or weight doesn't increase in 2 weeks - increase calories another 500.
its very very simple.
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in all honesty - the guys are correct.
1st - you need to drop the powerlifting moves - bench in pl is all tri's and shoulders - which are your strong point. change to slower movements, widen the grip width, increase the reps to 6-10 and lower the weight.
2nd - increase calories by 500 a day, while each time at the gym increasing the weight on the bar 5-10%.
3rd when your strength stalls, and/or weight doesn't increase in 2 weeks - increase calories another 500.
its very very simple.
what do you know about lifting weights and building muscle anyway?
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The strongman contest yesterday was the wakeup call. To place 9th in a contest where the top three were all in the top six at the Ontario strongman last month made me think about my unrealized potential. I know if I had just been hydrated this week I would have beaten the 8th place finisher and tied for 7th. The top 5 ranged in weight from 250-300+. I was the lightest guy in the show although the 6th place finisher was also 170 [he pulled 520]. No excuses though, just thinking about next time.
The winner:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/sg7904.jpg)
Matt,what do you do for your pecs?
I beleive that 5-12 reps in pyramid style,followed by a burnout set is the best method to build them.
Powerlifting is only gonna` do so much,plus sooner or later,you`ll end up hurt.
Here is my training journal:
http://tinyurl.com/2uqum2m
Just one point I want to make - Last September I decided to go on a powerlifting program to get strong and improve my form simultaneously. So lately my form has been not too bad, but primarily powerlifting and not bodybuilding. I figured, I don't eat enough to gain mass anyway, so why not get stronger?
Your shoulders and triceps are why you bench 315, not your chest. Use pre-exhaust 15 reps of slow DB flyes, THEN hit your bench in a super set. You'll pre-exhaust your pecs so they'll do some work in the beching. Your shoulders are incredible but they're doing the work when you do chest - think about frank mcgrath - biceps so good he can't train back effectively.
Diet... you shouldn't be thinking of 1200 vs 1800 calories... you should be thinking of "4 meals of a big pile of beef/chicken, carbs and gravy, 2 protein shakes, and 2 big ass garden salads" each day.
Being hydrated - HUGE problem there. Just carry a water gallon everywhere with you (tacky, sure), but make yourself drink it every day. One gallon a day. Then you'll get to 1.5 gallons, then maybe even 2. it's not tough to do.
I wouldn''t worry AT ALL about losing body fat to get the chest showing better. I'd be more focused on eating a shitload of food, drinking a ton of water, using creating 3x daily, and hitting pecs every 5 days with prexhaust. Clean up the form, stop worrying about how much weight you're moving. Just focus on using shit heavy weight for 6 to 8 perfect reps with no shaking, NO MOMENTUM, etc.
I very rarely give any advice on training cause hey, I'm as full of shit as anyone else and I'm no expert. but we're in about the same boat. You just don't look THICK to me. Drink water, train slow, eat big, and just slow down. Stop thinking about getting diced. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents. Good luck in your journey.
Great stuff!
Well you obviously aren't on the Test, EQ and Dbol stack which you were running before. Drop the clen and Winstrol lady-stacks you're on now.
;D ;D ;D
All the posts are great in here, thanks for the advice.
My biggest issues with steroids is that they would be kind of useless without FOOD, no? I would absolutely have to eat enough to go on a cycle.
Another thing - I've seen some 240-260 pound guys in my town (6'2+) off their cycles and weighing 210. So it would seem that the only way to keep the weight on would be to continually use AAS which is what I do not want to do.
x2. IMO i dont think its his diet or training, its genetics. Chest will alway be behind and not seperated. Matt has been weight training for years now, regardless of his style and diet, if he was meant to have a separated big chest he would have had one by now.
If this is the case I'm willing to accept it. No need to live in denial.
also when you get a chest pump, does your chest look more seperated? or does it always look like that?
i know after a chest workout,mine always looks alot more seperated. But after the pump, its back to minimal separation.
Yes, my chest is much better pumped. If it could look like that all the time it wouldn't be too bad to be honest, although not great either.
Here is a back shot. One good thing is that my shoulders grow easily and my arms grow pretty well too. But my chest, not at all. And of course, I have a narrow physique:
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Good build, big head :D
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Yes, your lack of mass in your chest is due to genetics. I have the same problem. When it comes to chest, we are pretty much doomed. Your chest will never be as good as your arms or shoulder. Face your fate. Man up :D
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Matt C is truly head and shoulders above the competition :D
Che you look great.
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Yes, your lack of mass in your chest is due to genetics. I have the same problem. When it comes to chest, we are pretty much doomed. Your chest will never be as good as your arms or shoulder. Face your fate. Man up :D
"Little people" always have small chests.
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Yes, your lack of mass in your chest is due to genetics.
In matt's case, the overpowering arms and shoulders are preventing his back from growing too.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346224.0;attach=380888;image)
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Matt C,
You need to lose 30-50 lbs to be truly ripped. If you are maintaining the fat on your current physique with 1300 calories, something is wrong with you medically (thyroid) or you are mistaken or perhaps you need to really be in the 130 lb range eating at 130 lb physique levels (which does make sense given the amount of fat we see on you at this moment).
Either way you are pretty fat and will be 130-140 lbs ripped which is not entirely too bad.
I have no reason to believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroid and if simply restricting calories would make me get ripped, I would say I would be ripped by now. Therefore, I disagree with your "a calorie is a calorie" theory. However, I think you are right that it would take a substantial amount of weight loss for me to be ripped. But I do think that I could be ripped in the 140s. I don't think I would need to be lower than that, but I am not 100% sure on that since I have never been ripped.
Also, I have been a little heavier at times when I did eat more and was in roughly the same condition. So ultimately I think I could be close to 150 in contest shape although I'm not completely sure about that. But my goal would be to be roughly the condition of my friend who is six feet tall and 175 [although he may be less in this picture but he is in the same condition]:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2rmp5d5.jpg)
This guy doesnt know what he's talking about. Your skin is very pale and I imagine you're closer to 12-15% bodyfat and only need to lose 10-15 pounds to be shredded.
I got a huge sunburn at the contest yesterday. I have only been out two days this summer! I know that sounds pathetic but I have been spending eight hours a day upgrading my website to Joomla and I really hope to have this completed by the 2010 Olympia. It has been a lot of work but it will be worth it.
1300 kcals ? That is really really low. I would go and see a doctor about that.
It's been like this all my life. I just don't get hungry to be honest. For all of us who live in the western world, food is cheap and abundant. I had plenty of opportunities to pig out but I just don't get a craving for food. I swear there were days when I just ate one or two 500 calorie snacks and would having no problem doing one rep maxes.
And just for the record, calorie restricted diets have been proven to be quite healthy but at the same time, I don't think it is bad to risk a little bit of health for the sake of personal goals, which have benefits as well.
you main problem is size,,you are just not big enough,,its not enough to have arm mesure ok number,,what matters is over all thickness,,reason thsoe guy you like look better is because they first were thick then cut down,,you can have 16 inch arm but if you thick enough and then diet you will look much more impressive,,
secondly the picture you take always with white wall behind ,,this give illusion to your actual size because it make yo llook bigger this way,,only in real life or in picture where you around other people you can see that youre quite small bodybuilder why? again lack of trhickness ,,,since you do have good arms and good shoulders and proportion,,
your body fat% is 9-10% not 12% reason you cant see abs clear is the way your body hold fat and water,,eventhough with you its mainly fat since your skin elasticity is good,,never the less body fat is 9-10%
your main problem is that you do not use aas in correct way ,,you use sperangly ,,the idea behind using hormones is to minimize times off and increase time on ,,to a point where its all one big cycle with changing compounds on regular basis,,
your caloric intake must be higher,,1200 calories is NOT enough ,,i would say if you dont do anything during a dya beside sleep and train you need at least 2000 calories inside you to grow for your size/weight level
an mdrol testosterone tren ace steroid cycle for a fella like you will help tremendestly in getting the thickness needed,,if you had less lean muscle i would also recomend eq or deca but at your level from what i can see this is the first produts i woudl recomend in your next cycle
mdrol,,testosterone ,,trenbolone,,
mdrol because the way your mid section look ,,other wize i would say dianabol,,anapolon is faked too much and will not suit you since you want dianabol gains with duretic effect which = superdrol which = mdrol,,
finally most important thing ,,your pecs is genetic they will look better at 180lb after a cycle when you get down to 8% but body weight gets up to 180-190lb
a fella such as yourself should never step on stage or in a gym less than 190lb at 10% due to height,,the other fellas are smaller guys ,,5'8 5'7 isd quite small guys they can pull 170 ,,you can not no matter how cut your arms look against white wall in frotn relaxed,,
bodybuilders who tend to have your type of arm usually tend to have weak chest ,,their arms are just too over devekloped for their pecs,,genetically that is ,,you can see it in your first pic from 2000 how your arms are the only thing you had as in they were strong poitn for you to begin with for your level of begginer,,then you developed the delts to a decent level but the chest just stayed way behind because the arms and delts are simply taking the work from the chest no matter how much you try to isolate the chest ,,as i said bodybuilders of the such can only have good chest when they are pumped if they pump well,,any other time chest will be flat,,and flat chest is big no no in bodybuilding,,chest is more important than arms !
finally,, inorder to step on stage you will have to lose about 15lb while on hormones ,,naturally will be more ,,right nwo the weight on stage for fella like you is 155lb on hormones
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The concept of being on hormones all the time to maintain the physique that I want bothers me. My friend went on M1T last month and went from 185 to almost 220! Those results are great, but I do wish hormones weren't needed.
gh15 - Is/was Chet Yorton natural?:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346009.0
Don't try to go from 1300 to 3000, it will be "impossible" and you will add fat because your body is used to 1300 calories.
Add 300 calories every week until you are up at the desired amount. That way your body will "need" the calories and eating only 1300 then would not be sufficient. You have (over a long period of time) conditioned your body to work on 1300 calories.
The 300 calorie increase can be 30g carbs and 30g protein.
Try this:
week 1: 1300 cals
week 2: 1600 cals
week 3: 1900 cals
week 4: 2200 cals
Stay at 2200 cals for a while and see what happens, adjust accordingly. Stay there or increase another 300 and re-evaluate.
Sidenote: 2200 cals is only 250g carbs and 250g protein. (if you eat clean and keep the fat low, around 20-25g)
You know, this is probably the right way. As I said, I was lifting pretty heavy [for me] on very little calories. So I will adjust my diet and fluid intake slowly.
I have decided to drink one sip of water every five minutes. So far this has resulted in me drinking one liter of water in the past three hours. If I keep up at approximately this pace, I should be able to drink close to a gallon without any discomfort. From there I can ramp it up to 1.5 gallons.
I will have to adjust in situations where I have to be away from a bathroom for a long time, but I guess I will learn as I go along.
what about you keep being fairly and naturally muscular and lean, stop wanting to be someone you arent and enjoy the ride while giving the whole bodybuilding thing a rest.... its only for losers who need to compensate for their psychological troubles ...
Lift, eat healthy, do some other sports on the side, and you re set. More than this is just retarded. Those who focus on their bodies are those who lack what is required to succeed into other ventures in life, relationships, intelectual tasks. They also tend to be the most egocentrical, self centered and immature individuals. They re not even happier anyway. Mostly cause they re trying to cope with traumatisms originating in their childhood or adolescence. It's always been the same crap. A healthy life is a well balanced life with lot of different and significant stuff going on. Not just focusing on your bodyfat or the size of your biceps...
And there s always someone bigger, better, than you anyway.
This is very true. Great post. But because I do intend to continue to review bodybuilding DVDs and contests, I feel that I would have slightly more credibility being in great shape.
Although on that note, Ron Harris looks great and was over 185-205 shredded at my height and people would still bash him. So it seems like no matter what anyone does in the industry, they will get bashed, whether they are a bodybuilder or just someone reporting like myself.
I'll tell you though, I would love to have a separated chest, even for my own personal satisfaction.
I know I've asked for advice before on here, but it's been a while since I really made bodybuilding a serious goal of mine and right now I am quite serious. I will definitely be posting updates on this as time goes by.
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no chet was and is not natural ,,he actually uses testosterone on a regular basis for many many years with out ever getting off ,,but he is on a lot more thna just testosterona,,
the problem you have is that you need to get out of the oral world of steroids such as superdrol and halodrol into the real world of injectables on regular basis ,,also your phsyiqe is more suited for power lifting and strangth lifting,,
learn from the simply fella,,you need consistancy with injectable,,and then on top of it the mdrol or hdrol or turinabol or whatever other aas that yoru heart desires,,not only the oral,,i do suspect that your response to aas will always lack though,,and as you can see your bud simply is stuck at 200+ and look fat and watery because he too try to minimize hormone usage to one oral and inject such as tren probably the pellet home made stuff that his brother or god knows who makes,,and little prop or enentate,,the reason he is stuck at this look is because he is afraid of growth hormone and most likley no money to buy it ,,so as i said you are stuck if you are poor bodybuilder,,
in any case good luck
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In matt's case, the overpowering arms and shoulders are preventing his back from growing too.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346224.0;attach=380888;image)
Looks like there's some Backnee going on!! :-\ :-\
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Yes, your lack of mass in your chest is due to genetics. I have the same problem. When it comes to chest, we are pretty much doomed. Your chest will never be as good as your arms or shoulder. Face your fate. Man up :D
It's sucks to admit it, but this may full well be the case.
I will give it one last chance to see if this is for sure though.
Looks like there's some Backnee going on!! :-\ :-\
Not too much really, but maybe a little. Given that it's not a major problem, what should I do about that?
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matt try adding pushups into your workout
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There's a few pictures in this thread just begging to have cocks photoshopped into them.
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There's a few pictures in this thread just begging to have cocks photoshopped into them.
LOL!!!!
The funny thing is, I don't think onlyme has seen this thread yet! ;D
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The main reason why I brought up this topic was because after seeing John Romano's picture, I really started to question if it was possible that some people would never have a chest under any circumstance. I'd like to believe that is not the case, but I suppose I don't know.
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The main reason why I brought up this topic was because after seeing John Romano's picture, I really started to question if it was possible that some people would never have a chest under any circumstance. I'd like to believe that is not the case, but I suppose I don't know.
Well, it depends. Will your chest ever be as strong as your shoulders and arms? The resounding answer is NO!!! Can you bring it up to at least a respectable size? YES, I believe you can.
Remember, 'If you reach for the stars, you might not quite get one, but you won't end up with a handful of mud, either.'
:D :D
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Well, it depends. Will your chest ever be as strong as your shoulders and arms? The resounding answer is NO!!! Can you bring it up to at least a respectable size? YES, I believe you can.
Remember, 'If you reach for the stars, you might not quite get one, but you won't end up with a handful of mud, either.'
:D :D
Very interesting...
I would like very much to just bring it up to a respectable size.
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lifetime natural...dunno how many times i gotta say that. matt c, my advice is dont listen to anything gh15 says. drugs are not necessary for you to look good. just lots of food, heavy consistent lifting, and then a very good diet to show the results.
good luck matt.
never did beastdrol eh? never looked into amazon to buy some hdrol eh?...never did superdrol back all those years when it was over the counter gnc steroid to your door via your own car and legs ,,just cross the street and get ,,steroid that is stronger than dianabol and produce dry gains,,
that steroid got you from your louzy 163 to your ouzy 175 my friend,,
then you went into the fina pellets idea,,but it was an upgrade since its too scary you never know who will knock yoru door down wanna check if you have cows,,so the safe bet was to continue lie in the gym that you are on syntrax6 and on the side do some bottles of mdrol and hdrol which are the best drugs available to human kind,,
you suffer from all those sides on you ,,your brother the same ,,but dont you worry ...many many pussy americano kids do the exact smae thing ,,thats why we call them pussy because they live a lie and will lie their way but they will never truly look like us bodybuilders ,,they only play imagine ,,they do it for the girls..
stop lieing!
a lifter that have the ability to get a potent steroid perfectly legal ....will run to the stor and get it ...especially when its sold legaly ,,thats the reason 60% of generation nothingness mistakenly confused for big muscular guys by old gym rats ...those old gym rats didnt follow technology and the way the supplement industry became a drug industry for a while and MERGED ,,
you used drugs ,,so did your brother,,you still using drugs! and most likley our brother too,,
fellas like you disgust me because you actually sit on boards like this and lie,,you have plenty of boards to lie on from rx to md to anabolicminds,,thsoe are boards we made for lies,,,go lie on danta board they will be ok with it ,,
BUT DO NOT LIE TO GETBIGGER! WE ARE A KNOWN NO BULLSHIT WHEN IT COMES TO HORMONES BOARD,,WE ARE PRIDE OURSELVSES WITH BEING THIS WAY ,,THIS IS THE MAIN REASON ALL LIFTERS COMES TO THIS BOARD,,,TO GET THE TRUTH IN THEIR FACE WETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT
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The main reason why I brought up this topic was because after seeing John Romano's picture, I really started to question if it was possible that some people would never have a chest under any circumstance. I'd like to believe that is not the case, but I suppose I don't know.
You have the same shape chest/shoulders as I do. No matter what you do, you'll never have that bottom "shelf" look that guys like Wes get.
The key is to not give a shit about it. You're not a bodybuilder, so who cares? Train for strength and power, make your shoulders freakier, and don't worry about it. If you really care about improving your appearance, just get ultra lean, you'll look better than 99% of the people out there.
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I think to be shredded you woud have to lose about 30 lbs.
This is me before I started dieting for a show 5'9'' 175lbs , competed at shredded 154 lbs ,no supplemments (just whey protein ), diuretics or drugs .
BEWARE THONG PIC
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epic long ass boxing reach lol
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never did beastdrol eh? never looked into amazon to buy some hdrol eh?...never did superdrol back all those years when it was over the counter gnc steroid to your door via your own car and legs ,,just cross the street and get ,,steroid that is stronger than dianabol and produce dry gains,,
that steroid got you from your louzy 163 to your ouzy 175 my friend,,
then you went into the fina pellets idea,,but it was an upgrade since its too scary you never know who will knock yoru door down wanna check if you have cows,,so the safe bet was to continue lie in the gym that you are on syntrax6 and on the side do some bottles of mdrol and hdrol which are the best drugs available to human kind,,
you suffer from all those sides on you ,,your brother the same ,,but dont you worry ...many many pussy americano kids do the exact smae thing ,,thats why we call them pussy because they live a lie and will lie their way but they will never truly look like us bodybuilders ,,they only play imagine ,,they do it for the girls..
stop lieing!
a lifter that have the ability to get a potent steroid perfectly legal ....will run to the stor and get it ...especially when its sold legaly ,,thats the reason 60% of generation nothingness mistakenly confused for big muscular guys by old gym rats ...those old gym rats didnt follow technology and the way the supplement industry became a drug industry for a while and MERGED ,,
you used drugs ,,so did your brother,,you still using drugs! and most likley our brother too,,
fellas like you disgust me because you actually sit on boards like this and lie,,you have plenty of boards to lie on from rx to md to anabolicminds,,thsoe are boards we made for lies,,,go lie on danta board they will be ok with it ,,
BUT DO NOT LIE TO GETBIGGER! WE ARE A KNOWN NO BULLSHIT WHEN IT COMES TO HORMONES BOARD,,WE ARE PRIDE OURSELVSES WITH BEING THIS WAY ,,THIS IS THE MAIN REASON ALL LIFTERS COMES TO THIS BOARD,,,TO GET THE TRUTH IN THEIR FACE WETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT
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Do you think everybody that trains is a user?
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they woudnt ever call it TRAIN if they were not on hormones,, anyone who goes into the vocabulary and uses the word train as in consider himself an ATHLETE ..will stop at absolutely nothing to get better,,
liars and scambags is the majority of what you know of as bodybuilders,,that includes 9 out of 10 amatuers and ofcourse 10 out of 10 professionals,,
no one would say i go train,,,they would say i go WORK OUT,,
the brain of the typical american gym rat up to the pro level is so fucked from within it became a joke and since you can not call bodybuilding a joke per say because it still involve some type of lifting ....it is known as C U L T
bodybuilding will never be a sport,,it used to be more of a sport back in the 80s closer to it with more serious guys,,now days its pure cult and pure insult,,but hey the rich get richer and the poor get poorer so i got no complaints:)
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You have the same shape chest/shoulders as I do. No matter what you do, you'll never have that bottom "shelf" look that guys like Wes get.
The key is to not give a shit about it. You're not a bodybuilder, so who cares? Train for strength and power, make your shoulders freakier, and don't worry about it. If you really care about improving your appearance, just get ultra lean, you'll look better than 99% of the people out there.
Yes, that is what I would like, the bottom "shelf" look that guys like Wes get! His chest honestly looks amazing.
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matt in all honesty read my post - do what i said.
i promise you within a month your chest will be much improved.
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matt in all honesty read my post - do what i said.
i promise you within a month your chest will be much improved.
That would be awesome. Honestly, I'd love to look like Nasser but obviously this is unrealistic. Having a chest similar to Mark Wahlberg's would be enough for me.
Here is around 9.5 years of progress, maybe 40 pounds in total:
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That would be awesome. Honestly, I'd love to look like Nasser but obviously this is unrealistic. Having a chest similar to Mark Wahlberg's would be enough for me.
Here is around 9.5 years of progress, maybe 40 pounds in total:
woah hold on a minute, i never said you would look like nasser, but you could have a bigger chest.
you have well developed anterior delts, and tris - this is a product of chasing heavier and heavier bench numbers. your form dictates that you minimize as much pec involvement as possible/ maximize tri involvement.
if you lower the weight - widen your grip and increase the reps to around 6-10 your chest will start growing again.
it will happen in as little as a month - but i guarantee it will get thicker.
stick with decline bench rather than dumbbells - i normally would advise dumbbells but as your form is used to a narrower width on barbell i fear you would naturally go narrower with the dumbbells - even without realizing.
it is simply a matter of anatomy - you seem to have no clue about it :-\
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woah hold on a minute, i never said you would look like nasser, but you could have a bigger chest.
you have well developed anterior delts, and tris - this is a product of chasing heavier and heavier bench numbers. your form dictates that you minimize as much pec involvement as possible/ maximize tri involvement.
if you lower the weight - widen your grip and increase the reps to around 6-10 your chest will start growing again.
it will happen in as little as a month - but i guarantee it will get thicker.
stick with decline bench rather than dumbbells - i normally would advise dumbbells but as your form is used to a narrower width on barbell i fear you would naturally go narrower with the dumbbells - even without realizing.
it is simply a matter of physiology - you seem to have no clue about it :-\
This would be honestly amazing.
And yes, I realize only a few genetically elite are capable of looking like Nasser, the first bodybuilder I ever saw on video [in 2001] and he looked amazing!
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Another question for everyone, what products here should I buy?:
http://www.inzernet.com
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in all honesty - the guys are correct.
1st - you need to drop the powerlifting moves - bench in pl is all tri's and shoulders - which are your strong point. change to slower movements, widen the grip width, increase the reps to 6-10 and lower the weight.
2nd - increase calories by 500 a day, while each time at the gym increasing the weight on the bar 5-10%.
3rd when your strength stalls, and/or weight doesn't increase in 2 weeks - increase calories another 500.
its very very simple.
I plan to do this today. I will be incorporating Joe Weider's "Pre-exhaust" principle as well.
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I plan to do this today. I will be incorporating Joe Weider's "Pre-exhaust" principle as well.
strange - i didn't think it was possible for you to actually be as stupid as you look.
oh well
life goes on.
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This first two are of me aged 11 and 17 respectively. In the first pic I am the geek 3rd from the right in the front row. God knows what I weighed. I had not started lifting weights in the second pic and am around 185-90lbs
The third pic is me a few weeks ago at 248lbs I don't care if I look fat as I have abs in proper lighting. Fait just walking around. Clear when tensed.
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This first two are of me aged 11 and 17 respectively. In the first pic I am the geek 3rd from the right in the front row. God knows what I weighed. I had not started lifting weights in the second pic and am around 185-90lbs
The third pic is me a few weeks ago at 248lbs I don't care if I look fat as I have abs in proper lighting. Fait just walking around. Clear when tensed.
i find it astounding that you built that physique on potatoes and irish stew :o
with less than 100g protein a day. :o
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The past 12-18 months I have upped my protein. Very gradually.
So far today I may have only had 120g but before I go to bed in a few hours I will have had 200g
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me too - today was a workout day though ;)
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Another question for everyone, what products here should I buy?:
http://www.inzernet.com
Matt stop being stupid , you have been told by gh15 what it takes to build a larger and lean body.other than protein poweder and mayber extra bcaa's quit wasting your time and money with garbage.
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Matt stop being stupid , you have been told by gh15 what it takes to build a larger and lean body.other than protein poweder and mayber extra bcaa's quit wasting your time and money with garbage.
Very true as far as muscle building is concerned. But I still want to maintain my strength for my city's next powerlifting meet in October and I think I should have no problem doing that, especially if my food and water intake is increased between now and then. I would like very much to win my class [under 200] and it is a definite possibility if I maintain or improve my best lifts. I am shooting for a 335 bench and 475 deadlift at 180.
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Here is my workout from today:
Pec Deck: 6X12, 10X12, 12X12
Flat Bench Flyes: 40sX12, 60sX12, 60sX12
Wide Grip Bench: 185X12, 205X10, 225X8, 275 [fail], Drop set: 225X4, 135X8
Body weight Dips: 12, 15, 15
Immediately followed by 12 push-ups.
I used very controlled form and I believe the pre-exhaust principle worked very well and so did the wide grip! I felt I achieved a great pump today. Furthermore, the additional calories yesterday likely helped. I only drank two litres of water yesterday and I am on par for that same level today [currently between 1-2 litres consumed]. I think I should be able to continue to increase my caloric and water intake to the point where I will be adjusted to 2,000 calories within 7-10 days. I have found that the increased water intake has helped my appetite.
I honestly hope this works because it would really suck to not have a chest. I don't mean to bash Romano or anything, it's just that when I saw his pictures I really wondered if a long time gym rat can be developed in most areas but not in the chest. I would very much like to have a chest, not a massive one, but along the lines of Mark Wahlberg's former level would be great. And lighting does make a difference [see second attached picture]:
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Here is my workout from today:
Pec Deck: 6X12, 10X12, 12X12
Flat Bench Flyes: 40sX12, 60sX12, 60sX12
Wide Grip Bench: 185X12, 205X10, 225X8, 275 [fail], Drop set: 225X4, 135X8
Body weight Dips: 12, 15, 15
Immediately followed by 12 push-ups.
I used very controlled form and I believe the pre-exhaust principle worked very well and so did the wide grip! I felt I achieved a great pump today. Furthermore, the additional calories yesterday likely helped. I only drank two litres of water yesterday and I am on par for that same level today [currently between 1-2 litres consumed]. I think I should be able to continue to increase my caloric and water intake to the point where I will be adjusted to 2,000 calories within 7-10 days. I have found that the increased water intake has helped my appetite.
I honestly hope this works because it would really suck to not have a chest. I don't mean to bash Romano or anything, it's just that when I saw his pictures I really wondered if a long time gym rat can be developed in most areas but not in the chest. I would very much like to have a chest, not a massive one, but along the lines of Mark Wahlberg's former level would be great. And lighting does make a difference [see second attached picture]:
I'm not sure what you mean by 6X12, 10X12, 12X12.... After warming up when someone tells me that they did 185 for 10, 205 for 10 and then 225 for 10 it tells me that at least the first 2 sets, if not all of them, were not done with any intensity. If you pick a weight, say 185lbs, and can do 8 reps, and despite your greatest to the death effort can't get the 9th rep how the hell will you be able to do 205 for 8 reps on your next set?
Also, just going by that routine, I would do flat bench after pec deck, and then do flys before doing dips. The pec deck pre exhaust the pecs so you'll be able to dig deeper on the pressing movement while you shoulders and triceps are still fresh. Then by going to the dumb flys you can continue working your pecs while resting your shoulders and tris and then hitting the compound dipping movement.
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I'm not sure what you mean by 6X12, 10X12, 12X12.... After warming up when someone tells me that they did 185 for 10, 205 for 10 and then 225 for 10 it tells me that at least the first 2 sets, if not all of them, were not done with any intensity. If you pick a weight, say 185lbs, and can do 8 reps, and despite your greatest to the death effort can't get the 9th rep how the hell will you be able to do 205 for 8 reps on your next set?
Oops! My bad, it was:
185X12, 205X10, 225X8
And I completely agree with your statement above. I guess I was on autopilot when I wrote those reps! Each set was to failure but with no assisted reps.
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Here is my workout from today:
Pec Deck: 6X12, 10X12, 12X12
Flat Bench Flyes: 40sX12, 60sX12, 60sX12
Wide Grip Bench: 185X12, 205X10, 225X8, 275 [fail], Drop set: 225X4, 135X8
Body weight Dips: 12, 15, 15
Immediately followed by 12 push-ups.
I used very controlled form and I believe the pre-exhaust principle worked very well and so did the wide grip! I felt I achieved a great pump today. Furthermore, the additional calories yesterday likely helped. I only drank two litres of water yesterday and I am on par for that same level today [currently between 1-2 litres consumed]. I think I should be able to continue to increase my caloric and water intake to the point where I will be adjusted to 2,000 calories within 7-10 days. I have found that the increased water intake has helped my appetite.
I honestly hope this works because it would really suck to not have a chest. I don't mean to bash Romano or anything, it's just that when I saw his pictures I really wondered if a long time gym rat can be developed in most areas but not in the chest. I would very much like to have a chest, not a massive one, but along the lines of Mark Wahlberg's former level would be great. And lighting does make a difference [see second attached picture]:
Matt, you have absolutely no clue about how to get bigger.
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Matt,
Look at Wahlberg's lower inner chest connects compared to yours. There's nothing you can do to change that, and that's why the "shelf" will never happen. Plus, there's nothing wrong with yours in the pic anyway.
Don't waste your time with stupid isolation bodybuiding movements, you're just spinning your wheels. Play to your strengths.
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This is 165? ???
He honestly looks amazing!
It is called being ripped which often trumps mass.
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You have a sucky chest like me beacause also like me you press with your triceps and delts more than your chest. try adjusting grip or elbow position.
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Matt,
Look at Wahlberg's lower inner chest connects compared to yours. There's nothing you can do to change that, and that's why the "shelf" will never happen. Plus, there's nothing wrong with yours in the pic anyway.
Don't waste your time with stupid isolation bodybuiding movements, you're just spinning your wheels. Play to your strengths.
That's the thing, that is a genetic limitation. The only possible solution I can think of would be to put on enough mass where finally the chest looks strong. Think about Phil Heath's chest - He may not have the best genetics for chest, but his chest is still way better than top amateurs and even other pros who have great genetics but just never brought their chests up to their full potentials.
Check out Mark Wahlberg's chest in Boogie Nights where he basically starved himself to get his weight down. He still had chest separation!
I drank a little over two litres of water today and I think I can drink closer to three litres today and be at the gallon level at the end of this week. My calories are up and I will find out how my strength is for my next workout. Honestly, I was basically powerlifting all of last year on a starvation diet! And to be honest, I didn't do too badly.
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Here is my workout from today:
Pec Deck: 6X12, 10X12, 12X12
Flat Bench Flyes: 40sX12, 60sX12, 60sX12
Wide Grip Bench: 185X12, 205X10, 225X8, 275 [fail], Drop set: 225X4, 135X8
Body weight Dips: 12, 15, 15
Immediately followed by 12 push-ups.
I used very controlled form and I believe the pre-exhaust principle worked very well and so did the wide grip! I felt I achieved a great pump today. Furthermore, the additional calories yesterday likely helped. I only drank two litres of water yesterday and I am on par for that same level today [currently between 1-2 litres consumed]. I think I should be able to continue to increase my caloric and water intake to the point where I will be adjusted to 2,000 calories within 7-10 days. I have found that the increased water intake has helped my appetite.
I honestly hope this works because it would really suck to not have a chest. I don't mean to bash Romano or anything, it's just that when I saw his pictures I really wondered if a long time gym rat can be developed in most areas but not in the chest. I would very much like to have a chest, not a massive one, but along the lines of Mark Wahlberg's former level would be great. And lighting does make a difference [see second attached picture]:
stop right there - you are going right to the other end of the spectrum now.
why are you doing pec dec and flys ???
every set to failure ??? thats far too many - and you did drop sets ???
all on less than 1500cals a day + 2litres of water ???
and you claim you are trying to get stronger for a powerlifting meet ???
are you joking with this info ?
i don't necessarily agree with pre exhaust, but ok i see why you are doing it.
work up to 1 working set not beyond - certainly not 3 sets to failure.
do wider than 'your' normal grip decline press ( this will help with your meet - why take it our in the first place ??? ) again work up to 1 working set to failure - not beyond.
end with incline press with wider than 'your' normal grip - 1 working set - to failure not beyond.
this will work your entire chest - and still keep a specific movement/motor pattern you will use in your meet i.e. directly beneficial.
any set beyond failure burns too many calories ( of which you are taking very little), and provide very little extra in the way of strength/size benefits compared to the 1 set - especially on lower calories.
keep increasing calories slowly, and every workout your strength should go up, and you should notice notable improvements in pec size within the month.
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WTF is up with that?
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Here is my workout from today:
Pec Deck: 6X12, 10X12, 12X12
Flat Bench Flyes: 40sX12, 60sX12, 60sX12
Wide Grip Bench: 185X12, 205X10, 225X8, 275 [fail], Drop set: 225X4, 135X8
Body weight Dips: 12, 15, 15
Immediately followed by 12 push-ups.
About 15 years ago, I read Cormier used a 3:1 upper:lower ratio for chest.
I follow this, and I have a pretty solid chest for being a twink.
I'd change the above workout to this:
Incline Smith Bench press - 4 sets
Incline DB press - 5 sets
Incline DB Flyes - 2 to 3 sets
Hammer strength flat machine press - 3 sets
Cable work- 3 sets
Then i'd move to triceps, and start with flat or decline close grip bench press.
I use rep ranges of 6 to 12. I might do a few triples. I'm narrow with shitty low chest tie-ins/lines (like you matt), but I do have some solid upper chest development.. and that lower shelf (despite my shitty genes), is solid too.
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(http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/b/a/s/basketball-diaries-1995-15-g.jpg)
Mark's chest looks amazing there!
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About 15 years ago, I read Cormier used a 3:1 upper:lower ratio for chest.
I follow this, and I have a pretty solid chest for being a twink.
I'd change the above workout to this:
Incline Smith Bench press - 4 sets
Incline DB press - 5 sets
Incline DB Flyes - 2 to 3 sets
Hammer strength flat machine press - 3 sets
Cable work- 3 sets
Then i'd move to triceps, and start with flat or decline close grip bench press.
I use rep ranges of 6 to 12. I might do a few triples. I'm narrow with shitty low chest tie-ins/lines (like you matt), but I do have some solid upper chest development.. and that lower shelf (despite my shitty genes), is solid too.
is matt juiced to the gills ? how is any normal human supposed to do a workout like that twice a week on less than 1500 cals ???
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About 15 years ago, I read Cormier used a 3:1 upper:lower ratio for chest.
I follow this, and I have a pretty solid chest for being a twink.
I'd change the above workout to this:
Incline Smith Bench press - 4 sets
Incline DB press - 5 sets
Incline DB Flyes - 2 to 3 sets
Hammer strength flat machine press - 3 sets
Cable work- 3 sets
Then i'd move to triceps, and start with flat or decline close grip bench press.
I use rep ranges of 6 to 12. I might do a few triples. I'm narrow with shitty low chest tie-ins/lines (like you matt), but I do have some solid upper chest development.. and that lower shelf (despite my shitty genes), is solid too.
Flies pre-exhaust the chest first before the pressing movement. I can guarantee that when Matt benches his shoulders and tri's do most of the work. Hence, pre-exhausting the chest first using a fly movement. I usually never adhere to silly training methods, but the preexhaust principle makes sense.
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(http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/b/a/s/basketball-diaries-1995-15-g.jpg)
Basile did not take those pictures but I do believe they are "lads."
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is matt juiced to the gills ? how is any normal human supposed to do a workout like that twice a week on less than 1500 cals ???
I'm pleased to report that I am now over 1500 calories per day!!! I'm definitely below 2500 but I am probably close to the 2000 calorie range. I really want to stick with this for a few months and see where it takes me. I am hoping to preserve or improve my strength, but bodybuilding is now my priority.
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fatpanda you think about training from the point of view of studies. dont do that dude. find a way where you feel stronger and are stronger every week, not only one set, nor only one rep range.. mulitple sets in low reps and mulitple sets in high reps and mulitple sets in mid reps. dont go to failure if it causes you to lose significant strength after one or two sets. yes doing one set per workout will work so long as your being progressive every week as far as strength goes, but you will be missing out on a vast array of muscular strength/shape/size/conditioning/vascularity benefits that come from doing lots of sets with heavy weights in high, med, and low rep ranges.
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I'm pleased to report that I am now over 1500 calories per day!!! I'm definitely below 2500 but I am probably close to the 2000 calorie range. I really want to stick with this for a few months and see where it takes me. I am hoping to preserve or improve my strength, but bodybuilding is now my priority.
You`re bound to make good progress doing this.................... actually foolproof for a while anyway.
Train hard!
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fatpanda you think about training from the point of view of studies. dont do that dude. find a way where you feel stronger and are stronger every week, not only one set, nor only one rep range.. mulitple sets in low reps and mulitple sets in high reps and mulitple sets in mid reps. dont go to failure if it causes you to lose significant strength after one or two sets. yes doing one set per workout will work so long as your being progressive every week as far as strength goes, but you will be missing out on a vast array of muscular strength/shape/size/conditioning/vascularity benefits that come from doing lots of sets with heavy weights in high, med, and low rep ranges.
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fatpanda you think about training from the point of view of studies. dont do that dude. find a way where you feel stronger and are stronger every week, not only one set, nor only one rep range.. mulitple sets in low reps and mulitple sets in high reps and mulitple sets in mid reps. dont go to failure if it causes you to lose significant strength after one or two sets. yes doing one set per workout will work so long as your being progressive every week as far as strength goes, but you will be missing out on a vast array of muscular strength/shape/size/conditioning/vascularity benefits that come from doing lots of sets with heavy weights in high, med, and low rep ranges.
i agree completely that you should be stronger every workout, or at least every few workouts ( assuming calorie surplus) - and progression is key with failure meaning very little in the grand scheme of things - failure can be a valuable tool however when used to gauge progress, and in matts case - possibly help improve/maintain strength.
however i disagree about the rest of your post - yes there is specific minor benefits in each rep range, and minor differences in muscle mass gains, but there has been enough studies to show the optimal in regards to strength and mass is around 6-10 reps per set.
come on now candy - shape/conditioning/vascularity ??? matt is not going for the mr o ;D and anyway the only thing rep range would effect of those is vascularity ;)
i will re-post these studies sometime over the weekend - when i start the challenge with disgusted.
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I do flat barbell, Incline barbell, incline DB's and then weighted dips for chest.
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About 15 years ago, I read Cormier used a 3:1 upper:lower ratio for chest.
I follow this, and I have a pretty solid chest for being a twink.
I'd change the above workout to this:
Incline Smith Bench press - 4 sets
Incline DB press - 5 sets
Incline DB Flyes - 2 to 3 sets
Hammer strength flat machine press - 3 sets
Cable work- 3 sets
Then i'd move to triceps, and start with flat or decline close grip bench press.
I use rep ranges of 6 to 12. I might do a few triples. I'm narrow with shitty low chest tie-ins/lines (like you matt), but I do have some solid upper chest development.. and that lower shelf (despite my shitty genes), is solid too.
I think suggesting 18 sets for a natural lifter is completely ridiculous, and then you throw tricep work to boot. Most of the exercises on that list are useless, or have better alternatives. Smith machine? C'mon. Bench press, dumbell press, dips and push ups. If you don't grow on that, it's not going to happen.
Matt's chest limitations are genetic, and they're not even bad. If he bulks up, he'll also get fatter and it won't look any better anyway.
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I think suggesting 18 sets for a natural lifter is completely ridiculous, and then you throw tricep work to boot. Most of the exercises on that list are useless, or have better alternatives. Smith machine? C'mon. Bench press, dumbell press, dips and push ups. If you don't grow on that, it's not going to happen.
Matt's chest limitations are genetic, and they're not even bad. If he bulks up, he'll also get fatter and it won't look any better anyway.
that includes warmups. I don't train to failure. Chest gets 9 or 10 real working sets over an hour or so. I move very slowly thru reps and I don't use insane weight. There's no jamming, no explosion, minimal risk.
I think incline smith bench press is way more effective than pushups. I always feel triceps more in pushups. My arms truly suck, so I'm sure I am stimulating chest effectively :)
I'm not saying he should bulk... he should just sloooow down, train with less weight, more sets and reps IMO.
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In the end, his lack of chest is genetic. No exercise, rep range or weight is going to make him have a great chest. So, whether or not he does 12 reps or 6 is probably not going to matter all that much. Matt, just train and have fun. Whatever happens, happens. :D :D
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In the end, his lack of chest is genetic.
i have to disagree. he's not THICK in the chest yet. When he gets there, it'll have poor shape, but it'll have a shadow and it'll stand out from the side. Right now, he's got awesome shoulders and triceps, with size and thickness - but not on chest.
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i have to disagree. he's not THICK in the chest yet. When he gets there, it'll have poor shape, but it'll have a shadow and it'll stand out from the side. Right now, he's got awesome shoulders and triceps, with size and thickness - but not on chest.
Just because one is thick in the shoulders and tris, it doesnt automatically mean onw has the genetics for a thick chest.
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Just because one is thick in the shoulders and tris, it doesnt automatically mean onw has the genetics for a thick chest.
Phil heath has shitty chest genetics - but it still sticks out. it's still thick. It still has that shadow. IMO, matt just has underdeveloped chest muscles. (i could be wrong, i'm a bit of a blowhard at times lol).
his chest might end up looking bunched up with shitty lines at the bottom, but it'll have some size.
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Phil heath has shitty chest genetics - but it still sticks out. it's still thick. It still has that shadow. IMO, matt just has underdeveloped chest muscles. (i could be wrong, i'm a bit of a blowhard at times lol).
his chest might end up looking bunched up with shitty lines at the bottom, but it'll have some size.
Well, whether or not he can actually gain size is to be determined. I guess we will know in a few weeks/months when he posts another photo. I say it will be very difficult, but I guess time will tell.
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he needs to do something HUGELY different - cause his shoudlers/triceps have gotten tons better in the last 4 years, but chest has not.
if he does nail the training, it'll come up FAST, in my opinion. When I started training arms right, they grew very fast after sucking my whole life.
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he needs to do something HUGELY different - cause his shoudlers/triceps have gotten tons better in the last 4 years, but chest has not.
if he does nail the training, it'll come up FAST, in my opinion. When I started training arms right, they grew very fast after sucking my whole life.
Yes, because you probably had the genetic potential to develop decent arms--you just needed to know how to train them right. If you have shit genetics for chest, even if you train right, you will probably only see minimal results.
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he needs to do something HUGELY different - cause his shoudlers/triceps have gotten tons better in the last 4 years, but chest has not.
if he does nail the training, it'll come up FAST, in my opinion. When I started training arms right, they grew very fast after sucking my whole life.
One time I went kinda crazy and worked my arms twice a day for a week and gained over an inch.
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It's been like this all my life. I just don't get hungry to be honest. For all of us who live in the western world, food is cheap and abundant. I had plenty of opportunities to pig out but I just don't get a craving for food. I swear there were days when I just ate one or two 500 calorie snacks and would having no problem doing one rep maxes.
And just for the record, calorie restricted diets have been proven to be quite healthy but at the same time, I don't think it is bad to risk a little bit of health for the sake of personal goals, which have benefits as well.
The concept of being on hormones all the time to maintain the physique that I want bothers me. My friend went on M1T last month and went from 185 to almost 220! Those results are great, but I do wish hormones weren't needed.
I'll tell you though, I would love to have a separated chest, even for my own personal satisfaction.
I know I've asked for advice before on here, but it's been a while since I really made bodybuilding a serious goal of mine and right now I am quite serious. I will definitely be posting updates on this as time goes by.
As I see it Matt, you talk like you want this but you apparently don’t want it bad enough or you wouldn’t make so many excuses for all the things you say you can’t do.
For example, you acknowledge that you don’t eat that much. Your excuse is that you aren’t hungry. Don’t for a minute think bodybuilders wait until they feel hungry to eat. They eat because it takes fuel to build muscle. They eat because it is what one must do if they want to grow.
AAS is another issue. Many guys and gals who don’t have the genetics to build the kind of muscle they want, use AAS if the really want that muscle bad enough, despite the risks. Although I would never advise someone to go on the juice if they didn’t want to do that, I would say to them that if they really want to be big so bad that it hurts and they aren’t blessed with being a endomorph to begin with, that’s a risk they must take or change their goals.
It seems like you’ve been given a lot of advice on how to best exercise to build the chest you want. Some of it is really good advice too. Most all of it is, I suspect, nothing new to you. You already know how to exercise to build the chest you want, you just don’t seem to dedicate yourself to doing it. Bodybuilding is not power lifting and vice versa. Either work to be a power lifter or a bodybuilder. I know some fellows do both, but my guess it they either have a lot going in their favor to begin with or they focus on one goal at a time.
Anyway, if you want to be a bodybuilder, you must want it so bad that you can literally taste it in all the chicken you’ll be eating! Ha, ha….but serious.
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One time I went kinda crazy and worked my arms twice a day for a week and gained over an inch.
Truly? What about overworking your muscles? I tend to add more exercises, reps and sets over time, falsely thinking I will see faster results. Many have said the opposite is the case. I must say, in my experience, they are right. Muscles grow when they are recovering not when you work them. That's just a pump and it doesn't last.
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Today I hit over 2 litres of water and over 2,000 calories. I find it amazing that just eating like a normal human being seems like a huge jump for me, but that is the case. I must say, I think this will go very well for me. I will definitely keep this updated. The advice from everyone is greatly appreciated.
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Today I hit over 2 litres of water and over 2,000 calories. I find it amazing that just eating like a normal human being seems like a huge jump for me, but that is the case. I must say, I think this will go very well for me. I will definitely keep this updated. The advice from everyone is greatly appreciated.
Why were you eating so little in the past? :-\
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Why were you eating so little in the past? :-\
I'm just not a hungry guy to be honest. On 1200-1800 calories a day I would feel tiptop. It might just be my imagination but I think I even feel a little more drowsy over the past couple of days as I have increased my calories. I will find out soon enough though. Although calorie restricted diets are very healthy, I highly doubt 3000 calories a day is seriously unhealthy.
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that includes warmups. I don't train to failure. Chest gets 9 or 10 real working sets over an hour or so. I move very slowly thru reps and I don't use insane weight. There's no jamming, no explosion, minimal risk.
I think incline smith bench press is way more effective than pushups. I always feel triceps more in pushups. My arms truly suck, so I'm sure I am stimulating chest effectively :)
I'm not saying he should bulk... he should just sloooow down, train with less weight, more sets and reps IMO.
I'll give you the volume part if he's trying to bodybuild, but I still think those exercises are all bunk. The smith machine is also unnatural and can cause injury. 9 or 10 sets over an hour's time seems like a waste as well.
I pretty much agree with what SPF is saying, although I didn't realize Matt didn't eat. If he ups the food a bit, he'll see some changes.
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I'm just not a hungry guy to be honest. On 1200-1800 calories a day I would feel tiptop. It might just be my imagination but I think I even feel a little more drowsy over the past couple of days as I have increased my calories. I will find out soon enough though. Although calorie restricted diets are very healthy, I highly doubt 3000 calories a day is seriously unhealthy.
matt i don't know if you missed it before - slowly increase the calories or you will get fat.
i get the feeling you are trying to slam in all the food you can - like an old fashioned bulk - do not do this.
record your macros, every meal, every day, every week. Make changes of no more than 500cals at a time, and even then give it 2 weeks before you expect to see weight increase, and size/strength increase. if not add another 500cals.
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Too much conflicting info.
MattC you should post a video of you benching. That way we can have a look at how you press etc.
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Too much conflicting info.
MattC you should post a video of you benching. That way we can have a look at how you press etc.
I do have some videos of my previous form which I will post up for sure.
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Matt,
Look at Wahlberg's lower inner chest connects compared to yours. There's nothing you can do to change that, and that's why the "shelf" will never happen. Plus, there's nothing wrong with yours in the pic anyway.
Don't waste your time with stupid isolation bodybuiding movements, you're just spinning your wheels. Play to your strengths.
Ditto Grape Ape's reply, Matt. Some folks like Mark W. have very square looking chests while other folks, like me, do not. My lower pec muscle insertion points are spaced wide across my breast bone. It is a bummer, but it is what it is. Barring somekind of reconstructive surgery (if this is even possible) to move the insertion points closer to the center, you, I and a whole raft of other folks will just have to do the best with the genetics we were given.
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My calories were probably 1200-1800 on most days although I never kept count. I would say I am in the 2000s right now as I have been since Sunday and I feel very good. I will not be drastically increasing my caloric intake. I plan to get it up to 3000, but I will add more calories each week as suggested on here. Depending on how things go, I might start to follow a very specific diet to ensure I get my macros.
Today is back day, any suggestions?
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My calories were probably 1200-1800 on most days although I never kept count. I would say I am in the 2000s right now as I have been since Sunday and I feel very good. I will not be drastically increasing my caloric intake. I plan to get it up to 3000, but I will add more calories each week as suggested on here. Depending on how things go, I might start to follow a very specific diet to ensure I get my macros.
Today is back day, any suggestions?
How long have you been working out MattC ?
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Today is back day, any suggestions?
lift dogshite heavy with very good form.
deadlifts, rows (BB and dumbbell), and chins.
if it has a cable, avoid it. Then hammer biceps, cause they should be sore anyway from all the barbell work.
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My calories were probably 1200-1800 on most days although I never kept count. I would say I am in the 2000s right now as I have been since Sunday and I feel very good. I will not be drastically increasing my caloric intake. I plan to get it up to 3000, but I will add more calories each week as suggested on here. Depending on how things go, I might start to follow a very specific diet to ensure I get my macros.
Today is back day, any suggestions?
We have been through the calorie issue Matthew, you know what to do to increase them and your appetite!
Back training selections: deadlifts, hammer strength pull down, d/b row, straight bar wide grip front pull down.
Simple.
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I really appreciate all of the support from everyone on here. Who says that getbig is only negative? I have been posting on here for over seven years now and I have felt that it has always been a pretty positive place.
One general question for getbig: I have not consumed any alcohol at all for over four years. Would one glass of red wine per day be good for cardiovascular health? My pulse is normally between 69-76 [although in the low 60s the last two times that I checked] and I would like to reduce that. Any thoughts on this?
How long have you been working out MattC ?
Since November 2000.
lift dogshite heavy with very good form.
deadlifts, rows (BB and dumbbell), and chins.
if it has a cable, avoid it. Then hammer biceps, cause they should be sore anyway from all the barbell work.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346224.0;attach=381168;image)
That's not Brock Lesnar.
We have been through the calorie issue Matthew, you know what to do to increase them and your appetite!
Back training selections: deadlifts, hammer strength pull down, d/b row, straight bar wide grip front pull down.
Simple.
2000 calories per day is clearly too much for me so soon! I'm going to follow Bobby's advice and stick with 1750 and gradually increase them. I am nowhere near ready for 3000 yet. After all, basically all my life I have consumed a low caloric intake.
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Easiest way I've seen to add calories is a cup of oats, 1 TBSP Peanut Butter and a some whey in a blender. Easy 500 cals, especially if you don't feel like eating.
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Easiest way I've seen to add calories is a cup of oats, 1 TBSP Peanut Butter and a some whey in a blender. Easy 500 cals, especially if you don't feel like eating.
Sounds great. Evo's advice was to drink extra calories as well and I have been doing so and it has been working well. I will give your blend a try.
I will try to jump up to the low 2000 range next week. I think I should be able to manage that. It bewilders me that even increasing my caloric intake to that of an average person requires me to condition my stomach. I have never been a hungry person. For my entire life I have always been able to function perfectly well on what would be to most people a very calorie restricted diet.
This is only my first week but I feel very good. I really hope this works out. My lifetime goals are:
Deadlift: 525 [best ever, 455]
Bench: 365 [best ever, 345]
Squat: 410 [best ever, not sure, but I am quite confident at least 335]
The way I see it, this gives me a 1300 total, at around 180-190 and this would be without any performance enhancing aids, whether supplements or drugs. I should point out that my best lifts in contest have been slightly lower, but I guess I can't help if the contests take place on an off-day. I do believe that I will be able to bring up my best lifts to 1300 in contest. I think Layne Norton is just under 1600 right now, so if I can make those lifts at that weight, it would make me quite comparable pound-for-pound. I honestly think these are realistic goals. It is also my personal goal to qualify for the Ontario Strongman contest which is equivalent to a better state show.
Mark's chest at 21-22:
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This really shows that some people will have a chest no matter how skinny they are:
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This really shows that some people will have a chest no matter how skinny they are:
Ya think? ::)
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Matt not be be a dick or anything but those numbers would put you around the 5th strongest in my gym. In a gym a mile from me there would be 10's of guys who could do better.
How on earth can you be the 8th strongest in your state?
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Deadlift: [best ever, 455]
Bench: [best ever, 345]
Squat: [best ever, not sure, but I am quite confident at least 335]
Those are really, really good numbers, excpet for the squat.
If these are your best with the caloric levels you've said your taking, then you should not give a shit what your chest looks like and continue to strength train. Those are great lifts at that bodyweight/food level. You owe yourself a chance to see what you really do.
Just start eating and your lifts will go up. Have you ever used a trainer to learn proper powerlifting form? That will make a big difference too towards getting to your goal numbers.
Also, no more Wahlberg pics. It's getting creepy. ;D
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Matt not be be a dick or anything but those numbers would put you around the 5th strongest in my gym. In a gym a mile from me there would be 10's of guys who could do better.
How on earth can you be the 8th strongest in your state?
You have a lot of guys in your gym who do double bodyweight benches? That's impressive.
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DBL b/w benches there are about 3. I meant guys who benched more than 335
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One guy who can do 2x bw is around 155 an can bench around 315. Another is around 185 and can easily bench 380. Another is 175 and can do 360.
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I do flat barbell, Incline barbell, incline DB's and then weighted dips for chest.
I bench for chest and...that's about it. lol
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what kind of $ would a procedure like this run? $5k?
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One general question for getbig: I have not consumed any alcohol at all for over four years. Would one glass of red wine per day be good for cardiovascular health? My pulse is normally between 69-76 [although in the low 60s the last two times that I checked] and I would like to reduce that. Any thoughts on this?
If you don't currently drink, don't start. Enjoy grapes for the same health effects with none of the T-dropped effects of alcohol.
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If you don't currently drink, don't start. Enjoy grapes for the same health effects with none of the T-dropped effects of alcohol.
I thought you were straight?
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I thought you were straight?
I'm married. You lose 40% of your T levels the minute the ring goes on your finger. No longer possessing the ability to socially drink with skanks as foreplay for forgettable hookups, alcohol is merely a coping mechanism for me at this point.
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I'm married. You lose 40% of your T levels the minute the ring goes on your finger. No longer possessing the ability to socially drink with skanks as foreplay for forgettable hookups, alcohol is merely a coping mechanism for me at this point.
I was just yanking your chain, mang.......and your last line is pure gold. ;D
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I was just yanking your chain, mang.......and your last line is pure gold. ;D
;D
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matt if you want better looking, shaped pectorals do more dips. I used to bench and it did nothing to give a great shape or mass to my pecs. Dips improved this a lot, developing the lower part of pecs, like these models for underwears who have flat yet visible pecs.
Dips dips dips, i tell you, do them twice a week and bench only twice a month. It also makes outer triceps a lot more visible.
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Matt not be be a dick or anything but those numbers would put you around the 5th strongest in my gym. In a gym a mile from me there would be 10's of guys who could do better.
How on earth can you be the 8th strongest in your state?
Not in my province [the Canadian equivalent of a state], but in my city. Over 100,000 people live in my city and a lot of people talk about how strong they are, but in contest after contest I am always placing top five in the under 200 class and top 10 overall. There has been no exception to this so far. I will grant that a few people could probably beat me who miss any given competition but I would still firmly place myself in the top 15 of all men in my city. I have no reason to believe this is not the case.
If I hit:
Bench: 345
Deadlift: 525
Squat: 410
At 185 pounds, that will put me pound-for-pound where Layne Norton is at around 225-230 with these lifts:
Bench: 330
Deadlift: 700
Squat: 545
Maybe I'm being a little optimistic, but I do believe that I can hit those lifts at 185.
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Deadlift I would say no way. But squat and bench I do believe you could hit for sure.
My city has 275k in it and I mean seriously I see guys who are 100x stronger than me most days.
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It is really hard to determine what your goals are based on all of the posts in this thread. If you are a "hardgainer", which it appears you are, you need to up your calories tremendously. 1200 a day is good for a child...not someone trying to compete in power lifting. I am a hardgainer and have been one my entire life. I started lifting at 18 years old at 6'2" and 145lbs. I played basketball and was alsways told muscle was not good for the game. Speaking from my experience of 15 years of lifting, more is not better when you are a hardgainer. The best routine for me, for adding size and strength, centered around three workouts a week. Chest and tris are trained together...chest first. The second workout is back and bis...back first. Final workout is legs and shoulders. The added rest of four days per week really lets the muscles heal. 240 had good advice when he advocated dips. They will build and strech your chest. Plus, they are an excellent transition into working tris. My split is as follows
Monday Wednesday Saturday
Flat Bench Bent over rows Squats
Incline Bench Dead Lifts Leg Extensions
Dumbell Flies Chin Ups Leg Curls
Dips Seated row Calf raises
Skull crushers Standing ez bar curl Military press
overhead extensions preachers lateral raises
upright rows
With this type of split...you have your compound movements all accounted for. That is extremely important for a hardgainer. I try to eat at least 4 food meals a day. That is different then supplements. Remember...supplements are used to supplement your diet. They should not make up your entire diet. Also...I believe milk should be a big part of any hardgainer's diet.
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Bench: 345
Deadlift: 525
Squat: 410
I think it's all in how we're built. I have some long ass arms and strong legs. Even as a skinny twinketh, I can squat 315 to just-above-parallel for reps, and I can deadlift 405 for reps. But bench, I can't get close to that shit... 245 for 5 reps, maybe?
And it's not all that much - there are way stronger guys lifting when I am in there.
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Deadlift I would say no way. But squat and bench I do believe you could hit for sure.
My city has 275k in it and I mean seriously I see guys who are 100x stronger than me most days.
Not where I am. There are guys who I would say are legitimately strong - 2 of the top 6 in the province live here - but not as strong as people claim to be on the boards.
My deadlift goal will be harder than I thought but I do think 475 is still around the corner. 500+ would be very nice.
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If you don't currently drink, don't start. Enjoy grapes for the same health effects with none of the T-dropped effects of alcohol.
ok!
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you get greatly shaped muscles when you train em often, not because you train with heavy weights. The "sculpting " part is due to constant repetition, not the use of heavy weights.
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If you don't currently drink, don't start. Enjoy grapes for the same health effects with none of the T-dropped effects of alcohol.
Grapes really have the same benefits? That is what someone else told me last week [grape juice is equivalent] but his reasons for being against alcohol were pretty irrational. He told me it would be "unnatural" as if chemotherapy drugs or any medicine for that matter is "natural".
you get greatly shaped muscles when you train em often, not because you train with heavy weights. The "sculpting " part is due to constant repetition, not the use of heavy weights.
I hope I can do it. My chest isn't really small, just lacking the shelf shape. It may be in part due to condition though, at least I am hoping, because I honestly do not think it would be a problem at all to get to under 10% body fat. The first picture that I posted above is the fattest I have been in my entire life. It would be very nice to believe that cutting body fat would help here so I may just have to go on a cutting diet if other approaches don't work. So far so good.
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I hope I can do it. My chest isn't really small, just lacking the shelf shape.
Which it always will.
I don't get this muscles shaping stuff. The muscle's ultimate shape is predetermined - the attachment points don't move. Doing different exercises isn't going to change that.
Also, if you're avoiding one glass of wine because you think it might have any affect on your build at all, you're crazy.
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Which it always will.
I don't get this muscles shaping stuff. The muscle's ultimate shape is predetermined - the attachment points don't move. Doing different exercises isn't going to change that.
Also, if you're avoiding one glass of wine because you think it might have any affect on your build at all, you're crazy.
I have accepted that it will always be a weak point, but I'm going to try to see where this new program takes me.
Regarding the wine, I want to drink one glass per day for good health, although some people are saying I should not. The medical literature indicates it is a good idea though.
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I have accepted that it will always be a weak point, but I'm going to try to see where this new program takes me.
Regarding the wine, I want to drink one glass per day for good health, although some people are saying I should not. The medical literature indicates it is a good idea though.
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Regarding the wine, I want to drink one glass per day for good health, although some people are saying I should not.
There's nothing wrong with the wine. Have two a night if you want.
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There's nothing wrong with the wine. Have two a bottle a night if you want.
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There's nothing wrong with the wine. Have two a night if you want.
Nothing wrong with cocaine either......shoot up a few grams per day.
ALL DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGALIZED MATT !! :)
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Nothing wrong with cocaine either......shoot up a few grams per day.
ALL DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGALIZED MATT !! :)
Drugs are a personal choice. Who are you or I or anyone else for that matter to decide what other people do with their own body? Is it your right to tell a fat person that they can't eat fast food? Furthermore, and most importantly, is the fact that drug prohibition simply doesn't work. Steroids are illegal. How is that one working out?
Lastly, all the studies I have seen about one serving of alcohol per day does indicate it is healthy. I don't want to believe that, it's just a scientific fact.
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Grapes really have the same benefits? That is what someone else told me last week [grape juice is equivalent] but his reasons for being against alcohol were pretty irrational. He told me it would be "unnatural" as if chemotherapy drugs or any medicine for that matter is "natural".
I hope I can do it. My chest isn't really small, just lacking the shelf shape. It may be in part due to condition though, at least I am hoping, because I honestly do not think it would be a problem at all to get to under 10% body fat. The first picture that I posted above is the fattest I have been in my entire life. It would be very nice to believe that cutting body fat would help here so I may just have to go on a cutting diet if other approaches don't work. So far so good.
take my advice, do dips every 4 days 5/ 6 sets to failure for 30 minutes and keep throwing some bench press in there as you usually do, you re not going to overtrain your pecs, just sculpt em. From a natural to another natural.
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matt have u tried my pushup suggestion
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matt have u tried my pushup suggestion
stfu retard. pushups wont do shit. Weights do.
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Drugs are a personal choice. Who are you or I or anyone else for that matter to decide what other people do with their own body? Is it your right to tell a fat person that they can't eat fast food? Furthermore, and most importantly, is the fact that drug prohibition simply doesn't work. Steroids are illegal. How is that one working out?
Lastly, all the studies I have seen about one serving of alcohol per day does indicate it is healthy. I don't want to believe that, it's just a scientific fact.
That's my freedom loving homey talking here.
If you're not bothering anybody else it's none of anybody's business what you do to yourself.
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There's nothing wrong with the wine. Have two a bottle of expensive wine a night if you want.
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Hi TA.
take my advice, do dips every 4 days 5/ 6 sets to failure for 30 minutes and keep throwing some bench press in there as you usually do, you re not going to overtrain your pecs, just sculpt em. From a natural to another natural.
I have not given up hope yet. My chest will always be a weak point, but I want to bring it up to my genetic max.
matt have u tried my pushup suggestion
Last week I did, yes. I think it created a great pump.
That's my freedom loving homey talking here.
If you're not bothering anybody else it's none of anybody's business what you do to yourself.
Exactly!
As for the argument that crackheads will rob people for their fix, that is only because drugs cost so much and the only reason why they cost so much to begin with is because prohibition causes the price to rise. If they were legal the price would go way down and ultimately the junkies would not have to rob as much to get their fix.
All the pro-prohibition arguments can be similarly refuted. The crack houses near schoolyards? Yeah they are bad. They also wouldn't exist in the first place if drugs were legalized. Who profits thanks to the drug trade? Cartels. And on and on. I have yet to hear a valid argument in favour of prohibition.
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Hi TA.
I have not given up hope yet. My chest will always be a weak point, but I want to bring it up to my genetic max.
Last week I did, yes. I think it created a great pump.
Exactly!
As for the argument that crackheads will rob people for their fix, that is only because drugs cost so much and the only reason why they cost so much to begin with is because prohibition causes the price to rise. If they were legal the price would go way down and ultimately the junkies would not have to rob as much to get their fix.
All the pro-prohibition arguments can be similarly refuted. The crack houses near schoolyards? Yeah they are bad. They also wouldn't exist in the first place if drugs were legalized. Who profits thanks to the drug trade? Cartels. And on and on. I have yet to hear a valid argument in favour of prohibition.
Wrong Matt,it`s because crack makes you a desperate motherfu cker who would rob there own mother.
The drug takes priority over anything and everything that was once sacred.
I can possibly see weed being legalized,but not cocaine or opiates.
If you ever had a habit, or knew/saw a heroin addicted junkie who needed a fix,you`d know what I`m talking about.
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stfu retard. pushups wont do shit. Weights do.
All i did was pushups for chest first year training and chest was a strong point. Go look at some gymnasts and see what you can do minus the freeweights.
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stfu retard. pushups wont do shit. Weights do.
Don't ever speak to Gene that way again! >:(