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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on August 29, 2010, 08:54:07 PM
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I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
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i wouldnt use the arimidex or femera unless symtoms flare up.........if your bulking
even if you going to end up cutting, give the drugs some time to work, before addign those strong anti-Es..........why possibly inhibit gains, whne you will be makin gthe most gains
unless, you have a bad gyno proclivity and its absolutely necessary
remember estrogen is necessary for anabolism in certain quantities
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Use the GH throughout the entire cycle.
8)
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so you have no plans to compete or no plans to be a professional bodybuilder
and you are going to take all these drugs
do you fathom the level of stupidity this is?
no probably not hey?
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i wouldnt use the arimidex or femera unless symtoms flare up.........if your bulking
even if you going to end up cutting, give the drugs some time to work, before addign those strong anti-Es..........why possibly inhibit gains, whne you will be makin gthe most gains
unless, you have a bad gyno proclivity and its absolutely necessary
I thought about that too cause I don't want to waste gear. I've had two gyno surgery in the past...I'm very sensitive :'( But I agree with you...I wanna keep water bloat down as much as possible.
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so you have no plans to compete or no plans to be a professional bodybuilder
and you are going to take all these drugs
do you fathom the level of stupidity this is?
no probably not hey?
I do have plans to compete if I look good after the cycle...
yes, I know this is alot of shit but I'll have doctors check ups throughout...if something is fucking up I'll stop otherwise I'll keep marching on...When you really look at the cycle it's really not that bad....it just alot of different things the dosages aren't so bad.
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How will you cycle in your weed?
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One last completely unnecessary crazy experiment and for what? Save your body and integrity and stop destroying yourself. Too much pot smoking has fried your brain and taken away your drive. Now you believe you need drugs. A sorry conclusion by a Getbig wannabe.
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24 weeks on T3 ? your thyroids are gonna be fucked.
thats actually not even a heavy heavy cycle, thats a gym rat dose cycle nowadays.
good luck wiggs!
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so you have no plans to compete or no plans to be a professional bodybuilder
and you are going to take all these drugs
do you fathom the level of stupidity this is?
no probably not hey?
thats a ridiculous rationale...........you have to be a professioal bodybuilder to use gear?
a guy cant go on cycle to improve his looks, quality of life, and self efficacy
why are competitive bodybuilders justified in using gear?
every one in the NPC is competing for a plastic trophy.................. .and 95% of IFBB professional bodybuilders dont make any money from the sport
there are only 2 events where actual money is made.......other then that............first place finisher gets 10 grand............it takes more then 10 grand to prep for a show between gurus, drugs, food, travel
except for an elite few.,...........these IFBB pros are just competing to fuel their ego.........cause there sure as hell is no monetary reward
so to make the argument that its stupid to juice unless your a pro............is STUPID.................. .cause their reasons for using steroiods, are just as dumb as the average joe.............they compete so they could get their pictures in a magazine, or so they will gt mention on a messsage board, or at best, so some supplement company gives then a few dollars out of pity.
how are these motivations any better then WIGGS wanting to look and feel his best?
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PIP, Wiggs :'( :'(
Then again, I don't know anything about steroids, so perhaps its not as much as it seems ::shrugs::
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How will you cycle in your weed?
Weed will be much less and will have to be after workout...I trully have ZERO motivation while high and that is obviously counterproductive for what I'm trying to do...It will be pretty easy cause I'll be pretty amped up on all that shit and my mindset will be different from what it is now...I'm excpecting the magic to happen when I implement the the tren...I've used it once for only 3-4 weeks and it was a fucking game changer...
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24 weeks on T3 ? your thyroids are gonna be fucked.
thats actually not even a heavy heavy cycle.
thats a gym rat dose cycle nowadays
no, pros stay on doesed 2,3,4, times that for years
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One last completely unnecessary crazy experiment and for what? Save your body and integrity and stop destroying yourself. Too much pot smoking has fried your brain and taken away your drive. Now you believe you need drugs. A sorry conclusion by a Getbig wannabe.
nice to meet you Mr. Basile.
It's not an experiment. I'm not doing anything to my body, I'll be in much better shape than I am now...
I've been working out on and off since I've been off since 07 no juice MJ has nothing to do with it I didn't start smoking MJ until this March. I don't believe I need drugs for how I want to look, I need drugs simple as that....WTF is a getbig wannabe?
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24 weeks on T3 ? your thyroids are gonna be fucked.
thats actually not even a heavy heavy cycle, thats a gym rat dose cycle nowadays.
good luck wiggs!
Actually, that is rumor about the thyroid being fucked...It has never been proven. I've used t-3 for long periods of time with great results.
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One last completely unnecessary crazy experiment and for what? Save your body and integrity and stop destroying yourself. Too much pot smoking has fried your brain and taken away your drive. Now you believe you need drugs. A sorry conclusion by a Getbig wannabe.
Great post from an hypocrite
you used too so you have no right to judge other steroid users
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By the way good luck with the cycle wiggs, I started Test-Tren and Superdrol yesterday 8)
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Using those big stacks is utter lunacy. Don't try to rationalize that shit.
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I do have plans to compete if I look good after the cycle...
yes, I know this is alot of shit but I'll have doctors check ups throughout...if something is fucking up I'll stop otherwise I'll keep marching on...When you really look at the cycle it's really not that bad....it just alot of different things the dosages aren't so bad.
fair enough I can respect that
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Using those big stacks is utter lunacy. Don't try to rationalize that shit.
could you PLEASE die you sickening, old queen...........no one here wants to hear from you
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Wiggs, no tren ace?
Parabolin ;)
It's from Geneza Pharmaceuticals
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No offense high pitch n-e-e-g-u-a-r but as loud as you are....
- Many know where you live
- Many know where you work
- all say you should be more discreet... and stop shouting on rooftops.
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Up the dosage. Sell some skidded-up thongs and drugs if you need to but make sure you look fucking good in a thong...
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No offense high pitch n-e-e-g-u-a-r but as loud as you are....
- Many know where you live
- Many know where you work
- all say you should be more discreet... and stop shouting on rooftops.
And to them I say, come and get me...Nothing will ever be found at my house...but thanks.
LOL....High pitch? I know that started with Glen...which is BS you'll hear when I put up youtube shit...I think he's confusing pitch with dialect...Do I sound white? Yes, I've been accused of that since I was kid, high pitch?LMAO....never.
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No offense high pitch n-e-e-g-u-a-r but as loud as you are....
- Many know where you live
- Many know where you work
- all say you should be more discreet... and stop shouting on rooftops.
So you're saying Milt isn't a common negra name?
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Using those big stacks is utter lunacy. Don't try to rationalize that shit.
Using is using, no matter what the dose is. Your use wasn't more "responsible" than his.
And don't even start with the 10mg of d-bol a day bullshit
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Roughly how much do you expect the whole thing to cost? Will you be getting the good stuff or Palumboesque stuff?
Good luck, many do this shit but keep it on the quiet... At least you're being up front about the massive amounts of drugs that will be coursing through your veins and pushing you to new levels of intensity and amazing gains!!!
Bob Chick once said " If you can't take the drugs, get off the stage"...
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getbig is a funny place...........a bodybuilding message board. where people discuss professional bodybuilding all day..............but will ridicule you for using steroids
ONLY ON GETBIG............LITERA LLY.........would ONLY happen here
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Roughly how much do you expect the whole thing to cost? Will you be getting the good stuff or Palumboesque stuff?
Good luck, many do this shit but keep it on the quiet... At least you're being up front about the massive amounts of drugs that will be coursing through your veins and pushing you to new levels of intensity and amazing gains!!!
Bob Chick once said " If you can't take the drugs, get off the stage"...
All of it is a little over 2gs...Everything is Human Grade real shit except the EQ, Masteron and Tren. I could have gotten this cycle for half the price, but I would be guessing the quality of everything so I decided to do it the right way and go Human Grade on everything possible...I have no problems about what I take and have always been up front about it. This is my first "big boy" cycle.
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wiggs, and anyone whom this also applies, stop with all the over thinking, over complicating bullshit "cycles" and "stacks". you dont need to use 15 different drugs and exotic ancillaries. theres no point in doing that shit. use a good amount of an injectable steroid that gives you good results (preferably test for a few good reason). if you want to get more results, then you can add in GH. if your looking for fat loss you can add in t3. beyond that, there really isnt anything you can do to enhance results. all steroids work basically the same. stacking doesnt do shit. (1+1=2) exotic ancillaries are completely unnecessary and add possible health issues to the mix for no reaosn.
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wiggs, and anyone whom this also applies, stop with all the over thinking, over complicating bullshit "cycles" and "stacks". you dont need to use 15 different drugs and exotic ancillaries. theres no point in doing that shit. use a good amount of an injectable steroid that gives you good results (preferably test for a few good reason). if you want to get more results, then you can add in GH. if your looking for fat loss you can add in t3. beyond that, there really isnt anything you can do to enhance results. all steroids work basically the same. stacking doesnt do shit. (1+1=2) exotic ancillaries are completely unnecessary and add possible health issues to the mix for no reaosn.
i hope you are not suggesting that instead of , for example taking 1000 mgs of test, 500 of a tren ester, and 350 mgs of dbol.................you would get the same results 1850mgs of test only.........
there is a reson that people stack steroids, and vary compounds.....and i highly doubt you are qualified to re-write the book on it
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wiggs, and anyone whom this also applies, stop with all the over thinking, over complicating bullshit "cycles" and "stacks". you dont need to use 15 different drugs and exotic ancillaries. theres no point in doing that shit. use a good amount of an injectable steroid that gives you good results (preferably test for a few good reason). if you want to get more results, then you can add in GH. if your looking for fat loss you can add in t3. beyond that, there really isnt anything you can do to enhance results. all steroids work basically the same. stacking doesnt do shit. (1+1=2) exotic ancillaries are completely unnecessary and add possible health issues to the mix for no reaosn.
I agree to some extent
I think tren gives a certain look tho, while in shape
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And to them I say, come and get me...Nothing will ever be found at my house...but thanks.
LOL....High pitch? I know that started with Glen...which is BS you'll hear when I put up youtube shit...I think he's confusing pitch with dialect...Do I sound white? Yes, I've been accused of that since I was kid, high pitch?LMAO....never.
Whatever bro, but I've seen lives destroyed because of an extra 30cc laying around... just be smart...
Given a hole in his carpet, the fool loudly points at it and shows everyone while the sage simply puts his foot on it.
Think about that and make sure to www.epicleans.com
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Whatever bro, but I've seen lives destroyed because of an extra 30cc laying around... just be smart...
Given a hole in his carpet, the fool loudly points at it and shows everyone while the sage simply puts his foot on it.
Thing about that and make sure to www.epicleans.com
I am glad that possession is legal in canada 8)
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And to them I say, come and get me...Nothing will ever be found at my house...but thanks.
LOL....High pitch? I know that started with Glen...which is BS you'll hear when I put up youtube shit...I think he's confusing pitch with dialect...Do I sound white? Yes, I've been accused of that since I was kid, high pitch?LMAO....never.
Ive never said anything about ur voice pitch........Or are u talking about another Glen?
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I am glad that possession is legal in canada 8)
The Puritans still run strong in these Colonies Stavios when it comes to controlling the mixture of "poisons" and liberties.... cherish your liberties up north.. I give it another election cycle before they looking into it.. well that being commonwealth combined with the slowness of Quebec socialist system... you've got until 2022 ;D
Not bashing on wiggs, just be smart neeeogar.
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Whatever bro, but I've seen lives destroyed because of an extra 30cc laying around... just be smart...
Given a hole in his carpet, the fool loudly points at it and shows everyone while the sage simply puts his foot on it.
Think about that and make sure to www.epicleans.com
If your caught with 30cc's the cops who find it are most likely just going to pocket it and it'll be going in their ass cheeks the next day.
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i enjoy reading basiles comments. he's one of the few people here with even a bit of common sense and smarts. hes got an engineering mind, which tends toward logic.
I hope you are joking
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i enjoy reading basiles comments. he's one of the few people here with even a bit of common sense and smarts. hes got an engineering mind, which tends toward logic.
everyone has their own opinion, of course, but to me personally............us ing "Basile" and "logic" in the same sentence ..........well, i dont even know how to describe it....
lets just say ITS WRONG........but thats just me
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Wiggs is gonna die for us you bitches!!!
Well, he needs to get off his fat disgusting ass and work that fat!!!
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Using those big stacks is utter lunacy. Don't try to rationalize that shit.
Um no, try taking a look at what he's actually talking about taking and there's literally nothing harmful. If you want to disagree, try explaining your thoughts piece by piece and not just exclaiming 'HE'S TAKING A LOT OF STUFF! GOOD HEAVENS!' Hell half of what he's running aren't even steroids they are ancillaries. Shut the fuck up for once in your life.
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I thought about that too cause I don't want to waste gear. I've had two gyno surgery in the past...I'm very sensitive :'( But I agree with you...I wanna keep water bloat down as much as possible.
If you're going to use Arimidex, look into starting it pre-cycle (.5mg daily ought to do you but it's probably an individual thing). It works by knocking off the enzyme which converts T to E, or so they say, so it would make good sense to eliminate the aromatase enzyme before introducing T. If you're running it straight through, SERMs are uncalled for at the end. Simply taper off your AI.
Look into Finasteride or Dutasteride if you are concerned about hair loss, although their sides are reported to be unfortunate for some (I never used them). Wouldn't Bromocriptine be required with the Deca too? Again, no personal experience with Deca. Also HCG 300iu twice a week imo (which you said you didn't want but 'this...is...Getbig').
Also imho, get into training regularly and eating right for awhile before doping up, but do as you will.
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welcome back wiggs
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Wiggs you dont need that much at all, even if you were stupid or had the money.
Simple test cycle @ 500mg will suffice. Maybe the dbol to kick start @ 20-40mg ED.
Thats it.
If gyno is an issue then some proviron or nolva. If you need run an AI instead then do so but not for a prolonged period.
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If you can't get proviron then you can substitute tic-tacs.
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Wiggs is gonna be one jacked Carlton Banks.... 8)
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Wiggs you dont need that much at all, even if you were stupid or had the money.
Simple test cycle @ 500mg will suffice. Maybe the dbol to kick start @ 20-40mg ED.
Thats it.
If gyno is an issue then some proviron or nolva. If you need run an AI instead then do so but not for a prolonged period.
x2
First cycle after 3 years means you'll grow just fine off 500-750mg. No need to use that much.
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Geneza= not a bad UG lab actually
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why hcg 23 weeks?
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why hcg 23 weeks?
Bro science..
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He wants good ejaculatory volume.
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So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
hahahahaha What a responsible father and husband. Seems u got nothing to lose, buddy. ;D
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31 yo, non-professional-athlete -dude planning to go drugs ???
That's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard ;D ;D ;D
Thanks :)
I understand when teens try hormones but grown man without getting paid to do that!?
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31 yo, non-professional-athlete -dude planning to go drugs ???
That's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard ;D ;D ;D
Thanks :)
I understand when teens try hormones but grown man without getting paid to do that!?
Injecting his kids college money into his butt. :D
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Injecting his kids college money into his butt. :D
Monster jealousy that the wife doesnt let you do the same.
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Monster jealousy that the wife doesnt let you do the same.
No wife yet (luckily :P)
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gh needs a while before you see the effects so I'd run it from day 1.
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I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD JUST INCLUDE GH N SLIN THE WHOLE TIME.....SLINS SUPER CHEAP WHY NOT USE IT....GOOD LUCK!!!
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Shame on you.
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based on your posts...toby...you dont like to diet, will be a bloated mess using gear. stay natural, slim and prosper.
(http://lifeasahuman.com/files/2010/04/spock.jpg)
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no, im not joking. hes an engineer, and his ideas that ive read have been unique and thoughtful, on design and lifting. not sure why so many here have a dislike for him.
Bacause he is delusional and he is a liar as well
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engineer of his own dreadfull life
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based on your posts...toby...you dont like to diet, will be a bloated mess using gear. stay natural, slim and prosper.
(http://lifeasahuman.com/files/2010/04/spock.jpg)
Ha, ha. Look whose talking, milktits.
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hahahahaha What a responsible father and husband. Seems u got nothing to lose, buddy. ;D
I have no children and have no plans to in the near future but thanks for asking...
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I have no children and have no plans to in the near future but thanks for asking...
You getting jacked so you can sit on your couch and get high? ;D
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You getting jacked so you can sit on your couch and get high? ;D
Lol...Nope. I'm getting jacked so I can look awesome.
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Ha, ha. Look whose talking, milktits.
ok...tender breast. weed and cycles...you're becoming a bigger junkie than wackdaddy. what's next...weed dipped in embalming fluid?
(http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/EmbalmingFatherHolmes.jpg)
dont die for these bitches. ;D
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go for it wiggs...gear & mary jane aint a bad way to go threw life...do it up...
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GH15 says to triple the dosage.
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I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
you havent been on gear in a few years, and you are planning to hit up tren for 11 weeks?...good luck...
you made it to complicated i think...there is more than one way to skin a cat...
bench
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you havent been on gear in a few years, and you are planning to hit up tren for 11 weeks?...good luck...
bench
Haha..So true :)
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Haha..So true :)
i will be waiting for those weeks...the 1st few weeks he will gain....then he will start to loss the gains cause he cant eat, and he is too tired to workout ;D
bench
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How much does that whole cycle cost you, buddy?
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And to them I say, come and get me...Nothing will ever be found at my house...but thanks.
LOL....High pitch? I know that started with Glen...which is BS you'll hear when I put up youtube shit...I think he's confusing pitch with dialect...Do I sound white? Yes, I've been accused of that since I was kid, high pitch?LMAO....never.
racist post reported ;D
Takin after Matt C
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i find it interesting that you respect / listen to GH15, an anonymous idiot on this message board, but have such a poor opinion of Basile. Of the two of them, Basile actually has verified who he is, what he accomplished in bbing back in the day, owns his own gym, created his own equipment, etc. GH15 is a gimmick board idiot who is most likely a closet homo like the rest that have been exposed over the past years.
i would call someone who actually takes GH15s advice seriously "delusional"
I want to make a serious comment on this post. When reading anything, whether about training, philosophy, self-help books, diet..., for all practical purposes the person is anonymous to you. When I first read a book by Arthur Jones' I had no idea who he was and when I did find out his name I found out he had no formal education in exercise science. But I did ask myself if a lot of things he said made sense. In my case, the answer was yes. That below a certain threshold of intensity exercise will do little or nothing to stimulate and adaptive response. After all, if you are doing things that are already easy why or what would your body adapt too?
Vince, whom I respect, believes that proper training and nutrition (60 grams of protein/max) is all that is required to stimulate, in his words, hypertrophy. Anybody who has been training seriously, experimenting with various protocols, realize that this is simply not the case. Vince has never done it on himself (he consider, falsely, that age is no barrier) or on anybody else. There is a reason why it is so difficult to build muscle mass beyond normal levels. Your body simply does not want it and given the slightest reason will get rid of it. It's the desire to conserve energy and muscle requires continuous metabolic support even at rest.
My experiences with advance bodybuilders is though their training regimes do in fact vary, not only among each other, but among themselves as well as they vary duration, frequency and intensity in their routines that after a certain point, say five years of serious training, they will not make any noticeable improvements in their physiques. Their look may vary depending on diet, looking thin and more defined or looking fat and bigger -- but no real quantitative and qualitative changes in muscle mass. It's when they turn to drugs that things start to make a real difference. gh15, whomever he is, rants on drug use makes sense to me. The only time I've ever seen anybody really make a difference in their body is when they take drugs. And when they reach a plateau they increase the dose and keep on gaining. And guys like Moody, Faldo, Rodriguez... simply lie.
That makes more sense to me than some secret hypertrophy training system and 60 grams of protein a day.
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great post pellius
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I want to make a serious comment on this post. When reading anything, whether about training, philosophy, self-help books, diet..., for all practical purposes the person is anonymous to you. When I first read a book by Arthur Jones' I had no idea who he was and when I did find out his name I found out he had no formal education in exercise science. But I did ask myself if a lot of things he said made sense. In my case, the answer was yes. That below a certain threshold of intensity exercise will do little or nothing to stimulate and adaptive response. After all, if you are doing things that are already easy why or what would your body adapt too?
Vince, whom I respect, believes that proper training and nutrition (60 grams of protein/max) is all that is required to stimulate, in his words, hypertrophy. Anybody who has been training seriously, experimenting with various protocols, realize that this is simply not the case. Vince has never done it on himself (he consider, falsely, that age is no barrier) or on anybody else. There is a reason why it is so difficult to build muscle mass beyond normal levels. Your body simply does not want it and given the slightest reason will get rid of it. It's the desire to conserve energy and muscle requires continuous metabolic support even at rest.
My experiences with advance bodybuilders is though their training regimes do in fact vary, not only among each other, but among themselves as well as they vary duration, frequency and intensity in their routines that after a certain point, say five years of serious training, they will not make any noticeable improvements in their physiques. Their look may vary depending on diet, looking thin and more defined or looking fat and bigger -- but no real quantitative and qualitative changes in muscle mass. It's when they turn to drugs that things start to make a real difference. gh15, whomever he is, rants on drug use makes sense to me. The only time I've ever seen anybody really make a difference in their body is when they take drugs. And when they reach a plateau they increase the dose and keep on gaining. And guys like Moody, Faldo, Rodriguez... simply lie.
That makes more sense to me than some secret hypertrophy training system and 60 grams of protein a day.
Who is your favorite football team?
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i find it interesting that you respect / listen to GH15, an anonymous idiot on this message board, but have such a poor opinion of Basile. Of the two of them, Basile actually has verified who he is, what he accomplished in bbing back in the day, owns his own gym, created his own equipment, etc. GH15 is a gimmick board idiot who is most likely a closet homo like the rest that have been exposed over the past years.
i would call someone who actually takes GH15s advice seriously "delusional"
If you really believe Basile's story about his 2 dbol a day use maximum it's alright bro
Not saying he didn't look good, I think he had a very good physique back in the days.
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Wiggs aren't you a short guy like myself? Around 5'6" if I remember reading right at one point? I'm not bothering being exact but just glancing over your plans you're around 2 grams total a week. Again, I just glanced over it. Why, would you go that high from your starting point especially when you are untrained now it sounds like. Two things I would say is 1) there is a point with juice of no greater returns. For me that was over 800-900 mgs depending on what I was taking. Anything over that and hair would show up in the drain, bloated face, acne, high bp, and usually achey everywhere. Why not at least build your way up and figure out at one point dosage wise you are wasting your money? 2) If you haven't been trainging wtf would you just get on the juice right away? Your strength will go up way to fast for your joints, tendons, and ligaments to be happy about it and might cause some damage. Moreover, you're completely throwing away a good 3 months of natural muscle memory gains that you would get for FREE!
Anyway, looks like a good cycle. I am onboard with others that say that much time on T3 is playing with fire though. You may have just been lucky cuz of your youth doing it in the past and got away with it. Being over 30 now you have to have noticed differences in how your body acts, responds, and rebounds from a variety of things. It's going to suck if this is one of those things. Also, just go ahead and do the GH all the way thru dude.
In closing, I remember that feeling of planning out the "perfect cycle" and thinking about how you're going to feel and look while on. I'm sure you're xcited as hell. It is a fun thing to loook forward to. Good luck and be safe!
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Wiggs aren't you a short guy like myself? Around 5'6" if I remember reading right at one point? I'm not bothering being exact but just glancing over your plans you're around 2 grams total a week. Again, I just glanced over it. Why, would you go that high from your starting point especially when you are untrained now it sounds like. Two things I would say is 1) there is a point with juice of no greater returns. For me that was over 800-900 mgs depending on what I was taking. Anything over that and hair would show up in the drain, bloated face, acne, high bp, and usually achey everywhere. Why not at least build your way up and figure out at one point dosage wise you are wasting your money? 2) If you haven't been trainging wtf would you just get on the juice right away? Your strength will go up way to fast for your joints, tendons, and ligaments to be happy about it and might cause some damage. Moreover, you're completely throwing away a good 3 months of natural muscle memory gains that you would get for FREE!
Anyway, looks like a good cycle. I am onboard with others that say that much time on T3 is playing with fire though. You may have just been lucky cuz of your youth doing it in the past and got away with it. Being over 30 now you have to have noticed differences in how your body acts, responds, and rebounds from a variety of things. It's going to suck if this is one of those things. Also, just go ahead and do the GH all the way thru dude.
In closing, I remember that feeling of planning out the "perfect cycle" and thinking about how you're going to feel and look while on. I'm sure you're xcited as hell. It is a fun thing to loook forward to. Good luck and be safe!
That's an excellent post. Thanks I'm just under 5'10 but you are correct. After viewing everyones comments I feel I may have made a decision in haste. I will stay on everything but lower all doses more than likely. There is no reason for anyone to fear t-3, those were all rumors about t-3 f'n up the thyroid, that is a myth that has been debunked.
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That's an excellent post. Thanks I'm just under 5'10 but you are correct. After viewing everyones comments I feel I may have made a decision in haste. I will stay on everything but lower all doses more than likely. There is no reason for anyone to fear t-3, those were all rumors about t-3 f'n up the thyroid, that is a myth that has been debunked.
i think you should just simplify your cycle...you can run a cycle with less compounds(not less mg's) and get the same results...
bench
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1 drugs
2 get built
3 ?????
4 PROFIT!!!
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Thank goodness that engineering, science and facts don't depend on the beliefs of muscleheads. I am no longer amazed at what guys who lift weights believe. Most of the time they embrace stuff picked up in the gym or via the magazines and now the internet. Like many other enterprises and hobbies a lot of the so-called web of knowledge available isn't solid. There are many beliefs circulating in gyms that are false. Free weights are superior is one such false belief. That doesn't stop legions of knuckleheads lifting those silly dumbbells and barbells. That is what they believe and that is what they will continue to believe and take to their graves.
Hapless Pellius is a genuine soul living in Hawaii. How many of us would like to live there, too, and have a perpetual summer and sunshine all the time? He has embraced the martial arts and this is important to him and something he values. When he competes he does so in weight classes so it pays to be strong but not heavy. That way you avoid fighting monsters who are like supermen. I imagine many bodybuilders also value having some definition and therefore seldom let themselves get fat. Therein lies a huge restriction or limit to hypertrophy. Such blokes will almost never gain much size or weight. If these guys are single then they also use up a lot of energy running around, etc.
The main limitation to most guys who train hard is getting sufficient calories to grow. If they lack calories then no amount of protein will help. These hapless 'hard gainers' then believe they need steroids to grow. When they try some gear they don't grow! Conclusion? They don't have the genetics! I doubt that anyone here knows what his genetic potential is. If you train properly and eat enough then you should grow. If you are not growing rapidly then you either are not training properly or are not eating enough or both.
The formula is simple but is probably beyond the rank Getbiggers who have their heads up the asses of pseudo experts like gh15. Most here are uninformed so wouldn't know a true theory if it fell on their head.
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Thank goodness that engineering, science and facts don't depend on the beliefs of muscleheads. I am no longer amazed at what guys who lift weights believe. Most of the time they embrace stuff picked up in the gym or via the magazines and now the internet. Like many other enterprises and hobbies a lot of the so-called web of knowledge available isn't solid. There are many beliefs circulating in gyms that are false. Free weights are superior is one such false belief. That doesn't stop legions of knuckleheads lifting those silly dumbbells and barbells. That is what they believe and that is what they will continue to believe and take to their graves.
Hapless Pellius is a genuine soul living in Hawaii. How many of us would like to live there, too, and have a perpetual summer and sunshine all the time? He has embraced the martial arts and this is important to him and something he values. When he competes he does so in weight classes so it pays to be strong but not heavy. That way you avoid fighting monsters who are like supermen. I imagine many bodybuilders also value having some definition and therefore seldom let themselves get fat. Therein lies a huge restriction or limit to hypertrophy. Such blokes will almost never gain much size or weight. If these guys are single then they also use up a lot of energy running around, etc.
The main limitation to most guys who train hard is getting sufficient calories to grow. If they lack calories then no amount of protein will help. These hapless 'hard gainers' then believe they need steroids to grow. When they try some gear they don't grow! Conclusion? They don't have the genetics! I doubt that anyone here knows what his genetic potential is. If you train properly and eat enough then you should grow. If you are not growing rapidly then you either are not training properly or are not eating enough or both.
The formula is simple but is probably beyond the rank Getbiggers who have their heads up the asses of pseudo experts like gh15. Most here are uninformed so wouldn't know a true theory if it fell on their head.
i love lamp
bench
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Thank goodness that engineering, science and facts don't depend on the beliefs of muscleheads. I am no longer amazed at what guys who lift weights believe. Most of the time they embrace stuff picked up in the gym or via the magazines and now the internet. Like many other enterprises and hobbies a lot of the so-called web of knowledge available isn't solid. There are many beliefs circulating in gyms that are false. Free weights are superior is one such false belief. That doesn't stop legions of knuckleheads lifting those silly dumbbells and barbells. That is what they believe and that is what they will continue to believe and take to their graves.
Hapless Pellius is a genuine soul living in Hawaii. How many of us would like to live there, too, and have a perpetual summer and sunshine all the time? He has embraced the martial arts and this is important to him and something he values. When he competes he does so in weight classes so it pays to be strong but not heavy. That way you avoid fighting monsters who are like supermen. I imagine many bodybuilders also value having some definition and therefore seldom let themselves get fat. Therein lies a huge restriction or limit to hypertrophy. Such blokes will almost never gain much size or weight. If these guys are single then they also use up a lot of energy running around, etc.
The main limitation to most guys who train hard is getting sufficient calories to grow. If they lack calories then no amount of protein will help. These hapless 'hard gainers' then believe they need steroids to grow. When they try some gear they don't grow! Conclusion? They don't have the genetics! I doubt that anyone here knows what his genetic potential is. If you train properly and eat enough then you should grow. If you are not growing rapidly then you either are not training properly or are not eating enough or both.
The formula is simple but is probably beyond the rank Getbiggers who have their heads up the asses of pseudo experts like gh15. Most here are uninformed so wouldn't know a true theory if it fell on their head.
I wish you'd hurry up and get AIDS.
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Ditch the deca and go with EQ.
Get protein up to 700g's a day ( fish, beef & chicken ) lots of good fats and grow!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE BEEF
I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
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i find it interesting that you respect / listen to GH15, an anonymous idiot on this message board, but have such a poor opinion of Basile. Of the two of them, Basile actually has verified who he is, what he accomplished in bbing back in the day, owns his own gym, created his own equipment, etc. GH15 is a gimmick board idiot who is most likely a closet homo like the rest that have been exposed over the past years.
i would call someone who actually takes GH15s advice seriously "delusional"
Please list the pieces of advice Basile has given out here which helped you in any way. Go ahead, I really want to hear this.
Do YOU know what kind of training routine Basile would recommend? Because no one else here does.
Basile is the biggest retard this board has ever seen. I'd sooner take advice from Goodrum than Basile, not that Basile ever gives advice as much as say "everyone is an expert" sarcastically.
The Getbig board Holy Trinity of Retards: Basile, Howard and Goodrum, and you're apparently a disciple. Congratulations.
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I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
stop doing shit so complicated. keep it simple IMO; 6ius gh, 1.5g test e, 600mg eq, 400mg tren, 50-60mg dbol + anti e and hcg+nolva pct.
also dont forget melanotan 2 for the whores... o wait
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1 drugs
2 get built
3 ?????
4 PROFIT!!!
Underwear gnomes!!!!! :D
Please list the pieces of advice Basile has given out here which helped you in any way. Go ahead, I really want to hear this.
Do YOU know what kind of training routine Basile would recommend? Because no one else here does.
Basile is the biggest retard this board has ever seen. I'd sooner take advice from Goodrum than Basile, not that Basile ever gives advice as much as say "everyone is an expert" sarcastically.
The Getbig board Holy Trinity of Retards: Basile, Howard and Goodrum, and you're apparently a disciple. Congratulations.
Fucking OUCH van, that's brutal.
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Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!
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Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!
Maybe I missed it but have you ever given any kind of training advice or have you just knocked down other peoples advice?
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Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!
Van forgot more about building muscle and getting strong than you will ever know.
Van = legit badass
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Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!
''hypertrophy knowledge'' loloololoool
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i love lamp
bench
That was so random, it literally made me LOL!
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Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!
what an awful, sickening pathetic old man you are
is this really what you should be doing with your golden years??
you are probably the oldest person on here by two decades, i just picture a lonely, fat, hairy old man scrambling to log on to an internet forum populated by people 30 and 40 years his junior.
does this not make you want to end it...............you terrible old ghoul
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One last completely unnecessary crazy experiment and for what? Save your body and integrity and stop destroying yourself. Too much pot smoking has fried your brain and taken away your drive. Now you believe you need drugs. A sorry conclusion by a Getbig wannabe.
ImBasile nobody asked your dbol popping shaft addicted ass.
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Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!
Hehe. Van is one of the measured and phlegmatic members of this board. I can't remember him ever losing his cool with anyone. Congratulations Vince. Your cloying obtuseness pushed him over the edge. ;D
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Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!
I've said many times that I'm not an expert, while acknowledging real experts, IMO, such as Lyle McDonald when it comes to nutritional science as well as training science.
You on the other hand keep implying you're an expert when you say "everyone's an expert" sarcastically. You can't see the forest for the trees. We don't need to have all the pathways involved in hypertrophy mapped out exactly! We know enough about what causes hypertrophy to know that training will not change much even with more research and knowledge. The most retarded thing you have said is that with the "perfect training program" a gifted man could win the Olympia natural in this day and age. I wonder if this is what SimplyHuge calls intelligence and logic. ???
Hehe. Van is one of the measured and phlegmatic members of this board. I can't remember him ever losing his cool with anyone. Congratulations Vince. Your cloying obtuseness pushed him over the edge. ;D
I'm still being cool and phlegmatic. I've called him a moron before. :D
I remember Basile from Lyle McDonald's forum and he's still the same years later. Did a quick search and this is what Lyle said about Basile attempting to explain his hypertrophy theory (from 2005):
Vince reminds me of Siff, able to pump out thousands of word without actually saying anything.
And masterful at avoiding direct questions of the "Ok, how exactly would you lay out training for someone" type.
Lyle
Like I said before, a Siffian strategy (I'll concur with Jon that at least Siff was smart): by never actually giving specifics about anything, you can prattle on forever without ever being pinned down to anything. It impresses a certain kind of rube, I imagine. Until someone asks for specifics and you watch them make a fool of themselves making excuses.
I think Vince just likes to 'see' himself talk. I can come up with no other explanation.
But he had multiple opportunities to answer very easy direct questions. He either won't or can't do it. That's troll behavior as far as I'm concerned, just talk in circles or as long as people will let him. Conclusion: ignore him until he decides to pony up something specific training wise.
Lyle
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please post a picture so we can see who the man behind the "mask" is so to speak. Basile has posted his pics, so have i, so have others...so lets see if the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.
its nothing personal either, just that the attacks on vince b are without cause, and i find it humorous that people who have achieved less and are a lot less educated think they know so much more than someone who has been around a long time in the iron game.
are you for real - damage the sheath in the back of the arm ? hahahahahaha sounds like vince's machines are very bad quality
i knew you were stupid by the way you approach bodybuilders in toilets - then tell us about it, but falling for the nonsense vince comes out with really takes the cake.
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please post a picture so we can see who the man behind the "mask" is so to speak. Basile has posted his pics, so have i, so have others...so lets see if the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.
its nothing personal either, just that the attacks on vince b are without cause, and i find it humorous that people who have achieved less and are a lot less educated think they know so much more than someone who has been around a long time in the iron game.
What does it matter what I look like? Proof of what? How is it relevant to what is discussed? Notice how Basile says a natural can look like a Mr Olympia when he's not a pro himself. How is it ok for him to comment on what it takes to turn pro when he isn't a pro nor has ever trained any natural who became an IFBB pro? Notice how I don't comment on how Basile looks, because it's not really relevant - he's just wrong period. I'm attacking his ideas, which are ridiculous. Or do you mean to tell me Vince might be right, that there might be a training program that allowed someone to beat Jay Cutler while lifetime natural?
Yes Vince has been around for a long time. That's the point, he should know better. Same as with Howard, a long time around the sport, Howard is even an official, yet he spews BS.
Regarding the DOMS, it's a long discussion but it's missing the forest for the trees.
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Thank goodness that engineering, science and facts don't depend on the beliefs of muscleheads. I am no longer amazed at what guys who lift weights believe. Most of the time they embrace stuff picked up in the gym or via the magazines and now the internet. Like many other enterprises and hobbies a lot of the so-called web of knowledge available isn't solid. There are many beliefs circulating in gyms that are false. Free weights are superior is one such false belief. That doesn't stop legions of knuckleheads lifting those silly dumbbells and barbells. That is what they believe and that is what they will continue to believe and take to their graves.
Hapless Pellius is a genuine soul living in Hawaii. How many of us would like to live there, too, and have a perpetual summer and sunshine all the time? He has embraced the martial arts and this is important to him and something he values. When he competes he does so in weight classes so it pays to be strong but not heavy. That way you avoid fighting monsters who are like supermen. I imagine many bodybuilders also value having some definition and therefore seldom let themselves get fat. Therein lies a huge restriction or limit to hypertrophy. Such blokes will almost never gain much size or weight. If these guys are single then they also use up a lot of energy running around, etc.
The main limitation to most guys who train hard is getting sufficient calories to grow. If they lack calories then no amount of protein will help. These hapless 'hard gainers' then believe they need steroids to grow. When they try some gear they don't grow! Conclusion? They don't have the genetics! I doubt that anyone here knows what his genetic potential is. If you train properly and eat enough then you should grow. If you are not growing rapidly then you either are not training properly or are not eating enough or both.
The formula is simple but is probably beyond the rank Getbiggers who have their heads up the asses of pseudo experts like gh15. Most here are uninformed so wouldn't know a true theory if it fell on their head.
You're not one to push a plate away to risk hypertrophy, are you, you sausage tittied fat fuck!
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vince has some credibility...we know who he is...he won titles in bbing, has posted pics, has an engineering degree, has been in the game a long time.
so far, you have posted NOTHING that gives any credibility to what you have to say...why should your opinion on vince's ideas matter to us?
Why does he need 'credibility' when he makes no vainglorious claims, doesn't prattle on, and backs up his points (when needed) with citations!?
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pretty much all you do on getbig is follow people around trying to "put down" people and cause arguments. why you seek out such conflict is beyond me. as far as my intelligence goes, i dont think we would be on the same playing field if we were to compare our backgrounds or our education...
go on then einstein. post your qualifications, and i'll do the same.
i trust you have more than 1 degree ? and can prove an iq over 130 ?
i'm sure i'm going to enjoy this.
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graduated #1 in my class for HS
graduated with a BS in engineering for college
worked for 3 years as an engineer at a very good job
recently enrolled back in school to start the med school program
:o wow me too ::)
is that all ::)
what is HS ? horse shit ?
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lol, "you too" thats your response?
i gotta run though. going to lift. be back later.
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IQ of 132
1 Bsc in computing.
failed last placement in teaching - that could have been degree no2: BEd - i didn't like it though so i didn't resit it.
going for my BA nursing as of 2 weeks ago.
intend to go on and perhaps get Masters, and maybe even Phd.
however this means nothing in the grand scheme of things - they are pieces of paper nothing more.
i simply liked to point out to you that you are still stupid, not because i'm smarter but because you seem to think Vince is. :-\
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oh yea...one more thing fatpanda...
i actually lift weights and have achieved results...please verify that you have done the same...with pics of course
2003 (18 years old)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo338.jpg)
2007 (22 years old)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/444.jpg)
2010 (25 years old)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo1005.jpg)
nice calves...
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he doesnt believe in training calves. he said, it makes his upperbody look smaller.
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he doesnt believe in training calves. he said, it makes his upperbody look smaller.
oh brother
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oh brother
He also looked WAY better at 22 than 25.....needs to lower the dosage a bit.
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He also looked WAY better at 22 than 25.....needs to lower the dosage a bit.
I agree, but now he is just "simply huge" ;D
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I agree, but now he is just "simply huge" ;D
father?
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father?
Daughter?
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wiggs - whats happening ?
when are you starting this ?
you going to do a training and diet log not to mention gear log ?
before and monthly update shots ?
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I'll bet your mom is proud of you now ;D
Seriously, I would be interested to hear how this amount increased your mass and lowered your body fat%
I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
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wiggs - whats happening ?
when are you starting this ?
you going to do a training and diet log not to mention gear log ?
before and monthly update shots ?
I PM'd him asking for a progress report..I too hopes that he keeps log/journal..lol, I don't think that I have any seen getbigger actually show progress and kept a journal
maybe Candizzle/tombz..I wanted Dov to do one
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has has went very quiet about this.
i think he's had second thoughts :-\
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I PM'd him asking for a progress report..I too hopes that he keeps log/journal..lol, I don't think that I have any seen getbigger actually show progress and kept a journal
maybe Candizzle/tombz..I wanted Dov to do one
this is just some shit he said when he was high....he isnt going to do it...
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this is just some shit he said when he was high....he isnt going to do it...
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I'm feeling that way as well
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Oh no sir gents...Santa's hasn't delivered my gifts yet...I'll be getting pharm grade GH so I'm really fucking excited!
I've decided since I'm 31 I'm going on GH year round now...
Howard, I'll take extensive notes and no-homo pics on every aspect including how I feel on them.
Panda, I'll start the Monday after the Mr. O. I'll have detailed everything exclusive to getbig only ::) I'll have before pics and every pose, and pics every two weeks. I have a detailed journal about diet, cardio, excercise and of course drugs.
I'll update the journal once a week...Trust me this aint a thing while I was high thing...this is the real deal...I'm shopping for a guru right now also..No Palumbo and no anyone I know more shit about then.
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Oh no sir gents...Santa's hasn't delivered my gifts yet...I'll be getting pharm grade GH so I'm really fucking excited!
When does this occur? Have you started training to take advantage of muscle memory and clean gains?
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When does this occur? Have you started training to take advantage of muscle memory and clean gains?
It occurs the beginning of Oct.
Yes, that's what I've been doing this month cause the last time I really lifted was back in April. I get everything back very fast. Not changing the diet though. I pretty much only eat when I'm high other than that not too much these days. I'll be on alot of shit I understand and I'm not suffering for no reason on some natural BS when all that shit I'll be on will melt it off when I'm dieting and doing all that.
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Lol at a black guy keeping track of stuff
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Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago. At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........
The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own. On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness. The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.
I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.
Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin. I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look. ;D
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Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago. At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........
The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own. On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness. The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.
I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.
Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin. I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look. ;D
Send me all your shit then champ.
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I'm tellin' you fellas this will be one of the more epic transformations...think about it...1. Let's be real, I'm black +1. Not to be a dick but you know what I mean in terms of bodybuilding. (Goodrum is an exception that fat guy regmac also.) 2. I'm naturally very, very, strong and athletic. 3. No distractions, aka no kids just wife never a distraction before. I've been "off" for 3 years...I haven't trained consistently since April.4. All HG or Pharma grade shit EXCEPT Tren and EQ but I'll ensure I at least get some of the best shit out there...Pharma GH, HG test and deca. I'm now 31 and starting to reach muscle maturity. I'll stay on for 24 weeks take a break and get ready to compete at some point next year.
I'm gonna get some digestive enzymes and appetite stimulants cause I'm not a big eater...It's gonna be something special...As it progresses I'll get video footage.
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I'm tellin' you fellas this will be one of the more epic transformations...think about it...1. Let's be real, I'm black +1. Not to be a dick but you know what I mean in terms of bodybuilding. (Goodrum is an exception that fat guy regmac also.) 2. I'm naturally very, very, strong and athletic. 3. No distractions, aka no kids just wife never a distraction before. I've been "off" for 3 years...I haven't trained consistently since April.4. All HG or Pharma grade shit EXCEPT Tren and EQ but I'll ensure I at least get some of the best shit out there...Pharma GH, HG test and deca. I'm now 31 and starting to reach muscle maturity. I'll stay on for 24 weeks take a break and get ready to compete at some point next year.
I'm gonna get some digestive enzymes and appetite stimulants cause I'm not a big eater...It's gonna be something special...As it progresses I'll get video footage.
Cool. Itll be fun to watch. You know what might be fun wiggs? Lets compete at a show together next seaason. Getbig might like that...The nattie vs the genetic wonder brother... ;D I live around Vegas.
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Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago. At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........
The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own. On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness. The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.
I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.
Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin. I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look. ;D
an alternative would be to cut the cycle dosage in 1/2..this way you can go around claiming natty status and bash the drug takers.
or just take the fat cutting parts and walk around at 8-10% BF
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Cool. Itll be fun to watch. You know what might be fun wiggs? Lets compete at a show together next seaason. Getbig might like that...The nattie vs the genetic wonder brother... ;D I live around Vegas.
I'd have no problems with that considering how I look of course...I'm not going up there just to do it...I'm going to win... ;D
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I'd have no problems with that considering how I look of course...I'm not going up there just to do it...I'm going to win... ;D
Im not sure they can make a trophy with the name 'Milton' on it. Just doesnt sound right.
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an alternative would be to cut the cycle dosage in 1/2..this way you can go around claiming natty status and bash the drug takers.
or just take the fat cutting parts and walk around at 8-10% BF
Good point. i could take the oral winstrol and t3 to diet down. But i wouldnt do a natty show then....id do open. If its true that the nats use GH and slin (which cant be tested) then whats the point with it? Just do an open show and gear all you want..
Im not comfortable with that idea at all. Ill keep training and dieting and see where i end up. :-\
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Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago. At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........
The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own. On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness. The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.
I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.
Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin. I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look. ;D
how do you know that if it was going to be your 1st cycle?
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how do you know that if it was going to be your 1st cycle?
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1st of all you know im right. In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides. I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.
I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway. Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother? I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all. Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......
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Exactly what I was wondering Bench. Might have zero sides and be a tremendous responder
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1st of all you know im right. In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides. I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.
I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway. Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother? I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all. Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......
Come on man....The feeling is incredible. You feel like a good. Endless energy and incredible pumps...You recover and make gains crazy fast.
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1st of all you know im right. In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides. I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.
I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway. Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother? I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all. Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......
ok...you are WAAAAYY wrong....and this is why...
pro hormones= poison with a side effect of muscle growth....good, clean injectables= the complete opposite...they will make you feel way better...except tren, taking tren kinda sucks..
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be careful wiggs your health and well-being is more important than big muscles and women
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So, you don't know if you look like crap already?
If you look like crap now, somehow this shit will fix that?
Cool.
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So, you don't know if you look like crap already?
If you look like crap now, somehow this shit will fix that?
Cool.
funny how that works doesnt it?
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ok...you are WAAAAYY wrong....and this is why...
pro hormones= poison with a side effect of muscle growth....good, clean injectables= the complete opposite...they will make you feel way better...except tren, taking tren kinda sucks..
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Maybe so. But what about cleaning out, do you live in fear of losing a little muscle. It seems you have to create a jeckyl/hyde thing that you know is not real, like a monster lives inside that you have to feed. Seems like a waste of energies. Focus on something better in the day you know? You can stay clean and make small gains that last versus huge gains that are temporary mainly. This is myself thinking outloud, i appreciate the input. 8)
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Maybe so. But what about cleaning out, do you live in fear of losing a little muscle. It seems you have to create a jeckyl/hyde thing that you know is not real, like a monster lives inside that you have to feed. Seems like a waste of energies. Focus on something better in the day you know? You can stay clean and make small gains that last versus huge gains that are temporary mainly. This is myself thinking outloud, i appreciate the input. 8)
i am not saying YOU MUST use them.....but dont get the wrong idea about them either...
i havent done anything in almost 5 or 6 years...but even off i have always gained....its just wether you want to speed it up or not..
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So, you don't know if you look like crap already?
If you look like crap now, somehow this shit will fix that?
Cool.
??? Im not following. Im always one of the bigger guys at any gym i go to and i can see abs faintly. I will admit the tren mimicker i took made me lose fat easily and the muscles were pumped and veiny. Thats a rush to feel like wiggs is saying. But i was so tired from lethargy and my headaches were so bad that getting to the gym was a challenge. But the workouts were awesome!!
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i am not saying YOU MUST use them.....but dont get the wrong idea about them either...
i havent done anything in almost 5 or 6 years...but even off i have always gained....its just wether you want to speed it up or not..
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Appreciate the words bench. Anyone who can clean out for 5yrs is obviously not addicted to them!! Props. I guess we all decide how far we want to push it. You have a good balanced veiw of it.
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Appreciate the words bench. Anyone who can clean out for 5yrs is obviously not addicted to them!! Props. I guess we all decide how far we want to push it. You have a good balanced veiw of it.
if you get addicted to AAS you are a complete bitch with a week mind....the only addiction is to the growth it causes...no chemical dependency's...
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1st of all you know im right. In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides. I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.
I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway. Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother? I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all. Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......
hahahahahahahahaha no you don't.
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hahahahahahahahaha no you don't.
This war horse guy is a deluded fukwit..
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I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
Sounds like a good plan, solid beginner - medium level cycle there.
You're only 31, this means you can still up the dose and get serious later.
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plus with those amazing nog genetics you'll be massive in no time...
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This war horse guy is a deluded fukwit..
its a sad day when no one else notices such delusional claims.
its days like this that i miss squadfather :'(
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I'm tellin' you fellas this will be one of the more epic transformations...think about it...1. Let's be real, I'm black +1. Not to be a dick but you know what I mean in terms of bodybuilding. (Goodrum is an exception that fat guy regmac also.) 2. I'm naturally very, very, strong and athletic. 3. No distractions, aka no kids just wife never a distraction before. I've been "off" for 3 years...I haven't trained consistently since April.4. All HG or Pharma grade shit EXCEPT Tren and EQ but I'll ensure I at least get some of the best shit out there...Pharma GH, HG test and deca. I'm now 31 and starting to reach muscle maturity. I'll stay on for 24 weeks take a break and get ready to compete at some point next year.
I'm gonna get some digestive enzymes and appetite stimulants cause I'm not a big eater...It's gonna be something special...As it progresses I'll get video footage.
Ready. Steady. FAIL. ;D
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This war horse guy is a deluded fukwit..
Hahahaha. Another nutshrunkin 15"arm, roided up loser, talkin. You must hate gettin owned by natties day in and day out. Ill bet your a ftpanda look alike... :-X
Ive already proved myself round here you invereted penis. Squadfather had props when he found out i was for real, so you lose every way! :D
Why dont you post a pic with your screen name and the date in it, and ill match it.
BTW This morning im 20 1/2" so i lied. 8)
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Hahahaha. Another nutshrunkin 15"arm, roided up loser, talkin. You must hate gettin owned by natties day in and day out. Ill bet your a ftpanda look alike... :-X
Ive already proved myself round here you invereted penis. Squadfather had props when he found out i was for real, so you lose every way! :D
Why dont you post a pic with your screen name and the date in it, and ill match it.
BTW This morning im 20 1/2" so i lied. 8)
hahaha not a chance in hell you have 21" arms and are a life time natural.
of course you could post pics ::)
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(http://zeroblade.dasaku.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ronery.jpg)
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I suggest Wiggs go to the playground and join the brothas for some "hood workouts" before investing money into the "other side". If he can hang with them, make good gains and lose weight---then he should make the decision. If you can't hang with a hood workout, one shouldn't take it to the next level.
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(http://www.marunde-muscle.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5600&stc=1)
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I suggest Wiggs go to the playground and join the brothas for some "hood workouts" before investing money into the "other side". If he can hang with them, make good gains and lose weight---then he should make the decision. If you can't hang with a hood workout, one shouldn't take it to the next level.
Calistenics Kings on youtube. The brothers are crazy built.....
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(http://www.marunde-muscle.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5600&stc=1)
*fap* *fap* *fap* ...
Wait... what? ;D
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Calistenics Kings on youtube. The brothers are crazy built.....
Exactly, I can see Wiggle-Stan like that as well. Better to be like those dudes than Kai...at least he can run after a dude if they swipe his Stash of Hash...
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hahaha not a chance in hell you have 21" arms and are a life time natural.
of course you could post pics ::)
No not lifetime. In 2003 i took a bottle of methyl pro hormone by VPX. Last June i took a bottle of H-drol by chapparal labs. So in 20 yrs of training ive took 12 weeks of prohormones total. I cant claim al natural status anymore, but iwas very muscular before any of them. If i do use it will be to hold my size as i cut.
You said 21" not so 20 1/2 cold. Maybe that if pumped....
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bullshit - not even on 1g of test would you have 20" arms.
unless your bodyfat was very high.
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bullshit - not even on 1g of test would you have 20" arms.
unless your bodyfat was very high.
Sorry brother. There are 6 billion people on the planet and some are prone to easiar muscle growth. Not everyone fits into the little box of reality you have set up. I also have 54" chest, wear 36"waist pants, 29" thighs, 18"calves.
No steroids needed, i live life everyday like this. Sorry but true.... :-\
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so you have no plans to compete or no plans to be a professional bodybuilder
and you are going to take all these drugs
do you fathom the level of stupidity this is?
no probably not hey?
good point.
Mens egos are their downfalls...
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good point.
Mens egos are their downfalls...
Hey bro. Speaking of good genetics, in comes meso78. ;D Are you Still training hard and eating 1 meal a day...?
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Always training hard bro and I eat 2 meals a day
how is your training
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Just to add I've started taking shakes regularly Which helps as I really don't have a big appetite
but to stick to the topic of the thread
why would someone who is not a professionL bodybuilder or competitor want to take steroids is beyond me
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Just to add I've started taking shakes regularly Which helps as I really don't have a big appetite
but to stick to the topic of the thread
why would someone who is not a professionL bodybuilder or competitor want to take steroids is beyond me
Probably to look good on the beach for the honey's :D :D
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Sorry brother. There are 6 billion people on the planet and some are prone to easiar muscle growth. Not everyone fits into the little box of reality you have set up. I also have 54" chest, wear 36"waist pants, 29" thighs, 18"calves.
No steroids needed, i live life everyday like this. Sorry but true.... :-\
the only way you would have 20" arms from only pro-hormones is if you are 7 foot tall, or obese or a liar.
post a pic to prove these claims.
you realize these outlandish claims mean you are bigger than arnold was at his prime ::)
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the only way you would have 20" arms from only pro-hormones is if you are 7 foot tall, or obese or a liar.
post a pic to prove these claims.
you realize these outlandish claims mean you are bigger than arnold was at his prime ::)
When arthur jones took those measurements of arnold, arnold was off cycle and much smaller than competition size. He would grow into a show and gear up with 22" arms...not little 20s like mine. Im 5'10" 255lbs and wear a 36 pants....i think thats pretty normal waist size for a man. Btw, congrats on your qwest to get into shape. 8)
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Just to add I've started taking shakes regularly Which helps as I really don't have a big appetite
but to stick to the topic of the thread
why would someone who is not a professionL bodybuilder or competitor want to take steroids is beyond me
Good job meso. Ive been training hard and eating clean for 6-9 months, the last 3 months never missed a day s scheduled. Im taking 3-4 days off now to give the mind/body a break. But leg day starts tomorrow so im ready now!!
Have you thought of doing a show meso? I like the sculpture trophys they have now. In my last show in 93 all i got was a plaque. Id like one of those newer trophies for the mantle.....then im done. 8)
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Just to add I've started taking shakes regularly Which helps as I really don't have a big appetite
but to stick to the topic of the thread
why would someone who is not a professionL bodybuilder or competitor want to take steroids is beyond me
What difference does it make if I compete or not...Do you think competing makes it worth the risk? If so, you're an idiot. So go and eat your jerk chicken, drink a cup of tea and fuck off...I don't expect you to understand much as I've seen how flawed your logic is in many things.
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What difference does it make if I compete or not...Do you think competing makes it worth the risk? If so, you're an idiot. So go and eat your jerk chicken, drink a cup of tea and fuck off...I don't expect you to understand much as I've seen how flawed your logic is in many things.
open forum just stating my opinion...
I don't need to be rude or personal to get my point across clearly you do
and you have take and are planing to take possibly drugs to have a decent phsique
and I'm the idiot?
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Good luck
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Good job meso. Ive been training hard and eating clean for 6-9 months, the last 3 months never missed a day s scheduled. Im taking 3-4 days off now to give the mind/body a break. But leg day starts tomorrow so im ready now!!
Have you thought of doing a show meso? I like the sculpture trophys they have now. In my last show in 93 all i got was a plaque. Id like one of those newer trophies for the mantle.....then im done. 8)
wsup man
no never thought of doing a show not my thing...
As always i lift because enjoy the feeling and secondarily the gains that's it.
I will pick your brain about your training though as I'm always trying to learn and be better
what's you current training split and post up your tri routine (please)
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open forum just stating my opinion...
I don't need to be rude or personal to get my point across clearly you do
and you have take and are planing to take possibly drugs to have a decent phsique
and I'm the idiot?
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Good luck
fuck off
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When arthur jones took those measurements of arnold, arnold was off cycle and much smaller than competition size. He would grow into a show and gear up with 22" arms...not little 20s like mine. Im 5'10" 255lbs and wear a 36 pants....i think thats pretty normal waist size for a man. Btw, congrats on your qwest to get into shape. 8)
Are you fucking kidding me???
You compare yourself to the best BB ever when he was off for a few months??
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Sorry brother. There are 6 billion people on the planet and some are prone to easiar muscle growth. Not everyone fits into the little box of reality you have set up. I also have 54" chest, wear 36"waist pants, 29" thighs, 18"calves.
No steroids needed, i live life everyday like this. Sorry but true.... :-\
You are full of shit ::)
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You are full of shit ::)
Maybe that's the reason.
He is so full of shit, his arms blew up already.
He is either fat as shit or on drugs.
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fuck off
Roid rage already setting in..
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Roid rage already setting in..
ha ha
I've seen a pic of warhore ages ago
he does have big arms
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ha ha
I've seen a pic of warhore ages ago
he does have big arms
Yes, but he was a fat fuck as well.
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Are you fucking kidding me???
You compare yourself to the best BB ever when he was off for a few months??
Its official. You're retarded. ::)
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Its official. You're retarded. ::)
No YOU are.
Arnold had not "little" natural 20's but 22's off cycle?
So that is why we should believe you are 20' natural??
You're so dumb it's not even funny anymore.
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You are full of shit ::)
Post it up pussy. Why you ignoring it. You want to know if its true? Ill post a pic with a double mirror to show the the tape straight with my screenname and the date on it.
Once you have the balls to do it then you got props, otherwise your just another nutshrunkin roided out pussy crying over shit genetics......... :'(
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No YOU are.
Arnold had not "little" natural 20's but 22's off cycle?
So that is why we should believe you are 20' natural??
You're so dumb it's not even funny anymore.
F&ck. Your dense arent you. Everyone talks about arnold as being measured by jone at 20" . Arnold states 22" Wht do you think the difference is dumbass??
And yes, I told will grant hes a puss and cant talk what is possible cuzz his minds to weak. Im sitting here with real 20 1/2 arms and wear a 36 waist pant loosely. How many fatasses wear a 36 at 255lbs dumbass? Ill bet you wear a 36 waist yourself.
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Post it up pussy. Why you ignoring it. You want to know if its true? Ill post a pic with a double mirror to show the the tape straight with my screenname and the date on it.
Once you have the balls to do it then you got props, otherwise your just another nutshrunkin roided out pussy crying over shit genetics......... :'(
Im not the one making the claims dick breath , you are..
If you have over 20 inch arms you are either.
1. Fat
2.On a shitload of gear plus good genetics
3.On gear and fat.
Proove it and then ill beleive it
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F&ck. Your dense arent you. Everyone talks about arnold as being measured by jone at 20" . Arnold states 22" Wht do you think the difference is dumbass??
And yes, I told will grant hes a puss and cant talk what is possible cuzz his minds to weak. Im sitting here with real 20 1/2 arms and wear a 36 waist pant loosely. How many fatasses wear a 36 at 255lbs dumbass? Ill bet you wear a 36 waist yourself.
Get your facts straight.
Jones measured Arnolds arm at just over 19 1/2 inches with a semi pump and he wasnt "natural" the only legit over 20 inch arm Jones took was Sergio Olivias.
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Get your facts straight.
Jones measured Arnolds arm at just over 19 1/2 inches with a semi pump and he wasnt "natural" the only legit over 20 inch arm Jones took was Sergio Olivias.
hahahaah, and cock-horse calls other people "retarded".
Im not the one making the claims dick breath , you are..
If you have over 20 inch arms you are either.
1. Fat
2.On a shitload of gear plus good genetics
3.On gear and fat.
Proove it and then ill beleive it
This.
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hahahaah, and cock-horse calls other people "retarded".
This.
Here's the genetic marvel ;D
a good 40 -50 pounds of fat and water to loose to even be considerd "decent" ::)
Another deluded shit talker
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193533.0;attach=224936;image)
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Get your facts straight.
Jones measured Arnolds arm at just over 19 1/2 inches with a semi pump and he wasnt "natural" the only legit over 20 inch arm Jones took was Sergio Olivias.
Semantics. Look it up. Arnold cleaned out and would downsize. And it was 19 3/4 dumbass. Point being is a 20" arm is easily possible to anyone that doesnt have youre genetics....ie: (skinnyfat internet troll picking zits off his mommas back), I see your ignoring the challenge....hahahahahah ahahahahah ;D
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Semantics. Look it up. Arnold cleaned out and would downsize. And it was 19 3/4 dumbass. Point being is a 20" arm is easily possible to anyone that doesnt have youre genetics....ie: (skinnyfat internet troll picking zits off his mommas back), I see your ignoring the challenge....hahahahahah ahahahahah ;D
You are fat and are deluded as fuck to think you have a 20 inch arm even comparable to Arnolds , Arnold was not clean but on a diet ,when in fact he "claimed" this was the only time he was on drugs which we all know is lies , he used all year round and when he was off you never saw pics of him this is how insecure he was... now run along fatboy
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193533.0;attach=224936;image)
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Here's the genetic marvel ;D
a good 40 -50 pounds of fat and water to loose to even be considerd "decent" ::)
Another deluded shit talker
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193533.0;attach=224936;image)
No steroids, no GH, no slin, no t3. And yes that needs about 40lbs of fat and water loss to look killer. How bout you shittalker willy grant.... :-*
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Here's the genetic marvel ;D
a good 40 -50 pounds of fat and water to loose to even be considerd "decent" ::)
Another deluded shit talker
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193533.0;attach=224936;image)
hahahaha, oh boy.
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You are fat and are deluded as fuck to think you have a 20 inch arm even comparable to Arnolds , Arnold was not clean but on a diet ,when in fact he "claimed" this was the only time he was on drugs which we all know is lies , he used all year round and when he was off you never saw pics of him this is how insecure he was... now run along fatboy
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193533.0;attach=224936;image)
Hahhaah what a hater you are. Another gear user that says everyone ALWAYS ON and never comes off.....hahahahahahahha. You must hate yourself... :o
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No steroids, no GH, no slin, no t3. And yes that needs about 40lbs of fat and water loss to look killer. How bout you shittalker willy grant.... :-*
I should hope not , you are fat and would weigh 180 at most in contest shape..
You are the one claiming you have legit 20 inch arms and looking good , most can gain 19 - 20 inches and be fat like you..
Now run along you are dismissed mr genetic marval ::)
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My arms were only 20" back then. Now there 20 1/2. :o
P.S. Ill be t the olympia expo so bring a tape and measure them for yourself....hows that for reality!!!!
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I should hope not , you are fat and would weigh 180 at most in contest shape..
You are the one claiming you have legit 20 inch arms and looking good , most can gain 19 - 20 inches and be fat like you..
Now run along you are dismissed mr genetic marval ::)
Ummmm my last show was 210lbs at emerald cup and i took 3rd in a heavy drug show. I see you searched and found my pic. Save me the trouble and lets see yours mr im a drug user and know everything.
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Hahhaah what a hater you are. Another gear user that says everyone ALWAYS ON and never comes off.....hahahahahahahha. You must hate yourself... :o
It's called reality tubby , you are fat I to was a fatty perma bulker when I was natural as well and thought All I needed to lose was 20 pounds to look good but ended up dieting down to 185 clean at the same height as you.Then I started gear.
You are nothing special , when you claim 20 inch arms and go on like you are some genetic wonderboy at least look decent..
You are average and would weigh 180 in contest shape with a 16 -17 inch arm absolute max so nothing special..
Again run along fatman.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193533.0;attach=224936;image)
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My arms were only 20" back then. Now there 20 1/2. :o
P.S. Ill be t the olympia expo so bring a tape and measure them for yourself....hows that for reality!!!!
PM me before you leave and I'll give you my cell....no homo
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It's called reality tubby , you are fat I to was a fatty perma bulker when I was natural as well and thought All I needed to lose was 20 pounds to look good but ended up dieting down to 185 clean at the same height as you.Then I started gear.
You are nothing special , when you claim 20 inch arms and go on like you are some genetic wonderboy at least look decent..
You are average and would weigh 180 in contest shape with a 16 -17 inch arm absolute max so nothing special..
Again run along fatman.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193533.0;attach=224936;image)
A lot of truth in this post. You can't even seen any peeks on his bi's, which is a telltale sign that regardless of arm size, he is carrying a lot of bf and would have to diet way down.
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My arms were only 20" back then. Now there 20 1/2. :o
P.S. Ill be t the olympia expo so bring a tape and measure them for yourself....hows that for reality!!!!
No one doubts your 20, just acknowledge the fact that you are afat tub of lard, dieted down you won't have those 20s anymore.
You're delusional.
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PM me before you leave and I'll give you my cell....no homo
LOL K. ;D
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No one doubts your 20, just acknowledge the fact that you are afat tub of lard, dieted down you won't have those 20s anymore.
You're delusional.
Your right that was way off season and at least 40lbs of shit on me. :-\ Just showed it as a base is all.
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Ummmm my last show was 210lbs at emerald cup and i took 3rd in a heavy drug show. I see you searched and found my pic. Save me the trouble and lets see yours mr im a drug user and know everything.
Nope it was PM'd to me. ;)
Post the pics , again Ive made no outrageous claims , its not hating its called backing your word which you havent done.
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Your right that was way off season and at least 40lbs of shit on me. :-\ Just showed it as a base is all.
NOW we're talking, Mr 20' Natural.
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Nope it was PM'd to me. ;)
Post the pics , again Ive made no outrageous claims , its not hating its called backing your word which you havent done.
Again im not claiming it. I actually have it 24/7 with no drugs of any kind. And yes i was a fatty then according to onstage...but not everday life. I was about 260 at 5'10" and at 210lbs i still had 20" not 17-18. that gh15 is a dumbass and way wrong on stats.
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Again im not claiming it. I actually have it 24/7 with no drugs of any kind. And yes i was a fatty then according to onstage...but not everday life. I was about 260 at 5'10" and at 210lbs i still had 20" not 17-18. that gh15 is a dumbass and way wrong on stats.
So you lost 20 or 30 lbs, but lost nothing off your biceps?
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Again im not claiming it. I actually have it 24/7 with no drugs of any kind. And yes i was a fatty then according to onstage...but not everday life. I was about 260 at 5'10" and at 210lbs i still had 20" not 17-18. that gh15 is a dumbass and way wrong on stats.
Bro if you were a true natural at contest bf % 210pds and 20 inch arms you would be considered a freak and sorry I just dont see it in that pic posted.
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Bro if you were a true natural at contest bf % 210pds and 20 inch arms you would be considered a freak and sorry I just dont see it in that pic posted.
qft.
God, it's amazing how delusional some people are...
So you lost 20 or 30 lbs, but lost nothing off your biceps?
Seems like it. Maybe he has found some ancient indian way of meditating your bodyfat away in the right spots and transfer it to muscle.
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Bro if you were a true natural at contest bf % 210pds and 20 inch arms you would be considered a freak and sorry I just dont see it in that pic posted.
Im dieting and training for a show in march. I will post pics here and end the doubting. Until then if i say a measurement or a weight tehn thats it. Again ill be at the olympia expo and you can measure yourself.
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huge arms...even dieted down they will remain about the same size. When I lost almost 40 lbs my arms only dropped about 1/2" to 3/4". Not a huge difference for losing 40 lbs of body weight. Warhorses arms have a lot of muscle on them, and will still be large even when dieted down.
Do you have any old contest photos warhorse?
Thx man. The ex took all my pics from 93 and burned them, she also took about 10 trophies...... :'( Thats why im going to compete this spring. I like the new sculpture trophies. I want one. 8)
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Thx man. The ex took all my pics from 93 and burned them, she also took about 10 trophies...... :'( Thats why im going to compete this spring. I like the new sculpture trophies. I want one. 8)
my ex took a bottle of my b vitamins complex, and a bottle of liquid beef amino's to my dept. and told my capt. i was on steroids ;D
bench
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my ex took a bottle of my b vitamins complex, and a bottle of liquid beef amino's to my dept. and told my capt. i was on steroids ;D
bench
LOL!!
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War horse your refreshing. your like an 15 year old kid who says I'm never gonna get old. Your obese. You'd have to loose 80 pounds just to look fit. Your so fat your Biceps got a gut.
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my ex took a bottle of my b vitamins complex, and a bottle of liquid beef amino's to my dept. and told my capt. i was on steroids ;D
bench
Its so true. ;D
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War horse your refreshing. your like an 15 year old kid who says I'm never gonna get old. Your obese. You'd have to loose 80 pounds just to look fit. Your so fat your Biceps got a gut.
STFU gimmick. Real people are playing.
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Wiggs i pm'd you. respond back, im getting tired. Its time for my oats and whey. ;D
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LOL!!
she was arrested on arrival to the dept. she was drunk as hell with her 4 year old nephew in the backseat ;D
bench
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STFU gimmick. Real people are playing.
By the looks of it your a gimmick to. Lets dance, come on dance gimmick dance.
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Wiggs i pm'd you. respond back, im getting tired. Its time for my oats and whey. ;D
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WarHore did you used to post here as pumphard ?
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WarHore did you used to post here as pumphard ?
Never been another name. Never had a gimmick account either.
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WarHore did you used to post here as pumphard ?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I was going to call him WartHog but felt a tad mean after he posted that second pic :-\ ;D
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fuck off
Wow, was that necessary?
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Wiggs, will u be posting update pics over the 6 months?
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Wow, was that necessary?
Yes, Meso can be a passive aggressive dick.
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Wow, was that necessary?
don't worry about wiggs. Saying that changes nothing
it just proves what I said struck a nerve .
Didn't faze me one bit.
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don't worry about wiggs. Saying that changes nothing
it just proves what I said struck a nerve .
Didn't faze me one bit.
No, Saying that means just that....Fuck off. Or should I say it in words you'll understand....Piss off you fucking wanker.
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No, Saying that means just that....Fuck off. Or should I say it in words you'll understand....Piss off you fucking wanker.
lol you're not serious! ;D
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No, Saying that means just that....Fuck off. Or should I say it in words you'll understand....Piss off you fucking wanker.
... Fascinating ....
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... Fascinating ....
bump
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(http://www.metmuseum.org/Imageshare/rl/large/DT730.jpg)
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Wiggs..
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Wiggs have you mutated any more since this last picture.
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don't listen to these hater nobodys here, wiggs 8)
can't wait for your show! (no homo)
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I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
What in the blue fuck are you doing? ???
You couldn`t even lose any weight and now you are doing this? ???
Why don`t you first see if you can lose your obesity first.
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What in the blue fuck are you doing? ???
You couldn`t even lose any weight and now you are doing this? ???
Why don`t you first see if you can lose your obesity first.
He's on a mutation cycle..
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wiggs, give us an update
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wiggs, give us an update
I think he's been focusing on that wang-stretching technique...
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wiggs, give us an update
UPDATE: Wiggs will still, for some reason or another, always "fit the profile" of a suspect wanted for a "B and E"
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UPDATE: Wiggs will still, for some reason or another, always "fit the profile" of a suspect wanted for a "B and E"
lol
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I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle. Why?
Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else. I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...
With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin. It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks. I was looking pretty awesome. Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.
My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...
So what are my goals? My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:
Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24 t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ???? At some point I will use DNP I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs. Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic. I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.
I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage. It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...
750mg test + 100mg tren a eod + 4iu gh everyday = a whole lot cheaper and same resaults
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Im not the one making the claims dick breath , you are..
If you have over 20 inch arms you are either.
1. Fat
2.On a shitload of gear plus good genetics
3.On gear and fat.
Proove it and then ill beleive it
This is the truth. The whorehorse guy is completely delusional.
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I think Wiggs is getting Great results...Check out the evidence...
Haters are going to hate...
You can say whatever you want about Wiggs but he always comes in in shape.
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I think Wiggs is getting Great results...Check out the evidence...
Haters are going to hate...
You can say whatever you want about Wiggs but he always comes in in shape.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346663.0;attach=399196;image)
pic is shopped, right? where is the original one?
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pic is shopped, right? where is the original one?
That's what Wiggs looks like now on his Mutation cycle.
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That's what Wiggs looks like now on his Mutation cycle.
Did he chage to the Fatpanda protocol??
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346663.0;attach=399196;image)
dude is obese in a very harmonic way, he looks like the onewit half of a perfectly shaped esphere of blub, with excelent balance and good flow of fat.
Actually, if there was fat contests, dude would definetly dominate the symmetry rounds. Not even Da Vinci would draw such flawless geometric object.
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dude is obese in a very harmonic way, he looks like the onewit half of a perfectly shaped esphere of blub, with excelent balance and good flow of fat.
Actually, if there was fat contests, dude would definetly dominate the symmetry rounds. Not even Da Vinci would draw such flawless geometric object.
I don't think its that symmetrical considering his forearms were surgically attached from a white person
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As funny as pic is - its not sir Wigglestein..check face colour to arm colour.
now on that why are so many fat disgusting out of shape slobs converging on these expos ? the cu nts have never seen the inside of a gym let alone there penis in so many years...thank god i found getbig back in 05 and taught me the meaning of pig ugly fat schmoes :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346663.0;attach=399196;image)
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As funny as pic is - its not sir Wigglestein..check face colour to arm colour.
now on that why are so many fat disgusting out of shape slobs converging on these expos ? the cu nts have never seen the inside of a gym let alone there penis in so many years...thank god i found getbig back in 05 and taught me the meaning of pig ugly fat schmoes :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346663.0;attach=399196;image)
Maybe he elbows and forearms are just ashy?
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Maybe he elbows and forearms are just ashy?
Racist post supported
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Maybe he elbows and forearms are just ashy?
Maybe Wiggs shines his face with Semen for that glossy look..
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I think Wiggs is getting Great results...Check out the evidence...
Haters are going to hate...
You can say whatever you want about Wiggs but he always comes in in shape.
Wiggs needs to lose a couple...
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Wiggs needs to lose a couple...
After the 24 week bulking cycle is complete...He's going to complete a 18 week cutting cycle..
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After the 24 week bulking cycle is complete...He's going to complete a 18 week cutting cycle..
wIGGS u need to lose some bro, you look like a barrel in that pic!
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wIGGS u need to lose some bro, you look like a barrel in that pic!
Bump for new Wiggs Pics..I'm sure he looks as big as Jevan Centofanni by now.
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now on that why are so many fat disgusting out of shape slobs converging on these expos ? the cu nts have never seen the inside of a gym let alone there penis in so many years...thank god i found getbig back in 05 and taught me the meaning of pig ugly fat schmoes :-X
Of course, penises are all you can think about! ;D Epic obsession.