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Rove bashes O’Donnell; O’Donnell supporter at victory party strikes back; NRSC cuts and runs; :o
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Update: Soros Republican Castle won’t back O’Donnell By Michelle Malkin • September 14, 2010 10:43 PM Scroll for updates…
I just finished watching Karl Rove trashing GOP Senate primary winner Christine O’Donnell. It was on Sean Hannity’s FNC show. Might as well have been Olbermann on MSNBC. The establishment Beltway strategist couldn’t even bother with an obligatory word of congratulations for O’Donnell. He criticized her “character” and “rectitude” and claimed she hadn’t answered questions about her financial woes. She did so here. Rove mocked her security concerns as “nutty.” Yet, her concerns have been more than justified. See here (second video clip).
Rove came across as an effete sore loser instead of the supposedly brilliant and grounded GOP strategist that he’s supposed to be. Expect more Washington Republicans to start sounding like Tea Party-bashing libs as their entrenched incumbent friends go down.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/09/14/rove-bashes-odonnell-odonnell-supporter-at-victory-party-strikes-back/
The NRSC cuts and runs, refusing to fund O’Donnell in the general. Way to motivate the base!
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Screw these RINO's.
They are the sole reason why Obama is in office in the first place.
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They are attacking her because she is not a member of the political elite. She should use that to hammer them into the ground. People are sick of “career politicians”, they want someone like them to represent them.
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Castle voted for cap and trade.Goodbye and good riddance.
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http://www.christine2010.com/
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Screw these RINO's.
They are the sole reason why Obama is in office in the first place.
well that didnt take long at all
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well that didnt take long at all
If not for the horrid job Bush did in the 2nd term on many fronts, a rank amatuer and incompetent hack like Obama would get laughed off the stage. Shit, even Obama admitted in 2004 he was not qualified to be POTUS and then announced for office 143 days in the Senate later.
This is something not one obot has ever explained to me. What did obama do in 143 days that made him go from being admittedly unqualified to being qualified.
Please fill me in on that.
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Screw these RINO's.
They are the sole reason why Obama is in office in the first place.
Let's not underestimate the "Architect". Perhaps, this is a reverse psychology thing.
;D
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Rove really showed the insecurities among the Rep. elite with hi comments...they're on the way out and he knows it.
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dems are celebrating Odonnell's win. Why are they so confident she'll lose in delaware?
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Rove really showed the insecurities among the Rep. elite with hi comments...they're on the way out and he knows it.
rove still does not get how pissed off the base is over Bushs' horrid 2nd term and the fact that he and Bush are responsible for making a Obama candidacy possible.
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dems are celebrating Odonnell's win. Why are they so confident she'll lose in delaware?
Because they are idiots and often speak to each other in an echo chamber.
If this is wave elction, which i think it will be, she will win, as will angle, rand, marco, rossi, et al.
The far left is going to get in rafts and drift to Cuba on Nov. 3rd.
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dems are celebrating Odonnell's win. Why are they so confident she'll lose in delaware?
Same reason they were celebrating Pauls win in KY and Angles in Nevada.In their pea brains anyone outside the ruling class are country bumpkins who cant win.
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dems are celebrating Odonnell's win. Why are they so confident she'll lose in delaware?
Chris Matthews Compares O'Donnell To Ronald Reagan (Video)
http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=5131
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Chris Matthews Compares O'Donnell To Ronald Reagan (Video)
http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=5131
People like 240 have never actually heard her speak.She is VERY VERY bright and really good on her feet and super sarcastic.I cant wait to see the debate between her and the self described Marxist she is running against.
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Chris Matthews Compares O'Donnell To Ronald Reagan (Video)
http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=5131
I used a quote from video, earlier in another thread.
This isn't a comparison of O'Donnell with Reagan. This is Matthews, warning the left-wing goofies, that they've been burned TIME AND TIME AGAIN, thinking that certain conservative candidates would be easy to beat (with Reagan being the most glaring example of the left, having egg on their faces, after swearing before God and four more white people that he couldn't possibly win).
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She is going to win in november along with Angle, Hailey, carley, Meg, and hopefully Linda M.
The Mama grizzlies are going to take out the left wing rabble and marxist scum.
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I used a quote from video, earlier in another thread.
This isn't a comparison of O'Donnell with Reagan. This is Matthews, warning the left-wing goofies, that they've been burned TIME AND TIME AGAIN, thinking that certain conservative candidates would be easy to beat (with Reagan being the most glaring example of the left, having egg on their faces, after swearing before God and four more white people that he couldn't possibly win).
Yes, that was my point in posting this video MCWAY, that many people also said Reagan was too far right to get elected, and they found out they were wrong. just as Carl Rove is wrong now, as is most of the media, as she is electable and will win in November.
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Reagan was and still is a GIANT who loved this nation.
The communist traitor Obama is a marxist saul alinskite who will be one and done, if he makes it that far.
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Carl rove is taking a beating on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/karlrove#!/karlrove?v=wall
Liberals and Conservatives both hate Rove. Way to go, Carl.
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Carl rove is taking a beating on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/karlrove#!/karlrove?v=wall
Liberals and Conservatives both hate Rove. Way to go, Carl.
Anyone connected to Bush is still toxic.
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Anyone connected to Bush is still toxic.
Rove made a fool of himself last night on Hanniity.
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Rove made a fool of himself last night on Hanniity.
Rove, Bush. MConnell, Boehner, Frist, qand the rest of the disgusting vermin still have no apologized for their awful governance from 2000-2006
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Screw these RINO's.
They are the sole reason why Obama is in office in the first place.
They paved the way for him.
The fact that Rove is so pissed off about this means the bullseye has been hit. The Tea Party/Third Party movement looks to be the remedy for the disease that is Neoconservatism.
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Sorry guys, but Im not with you on this one. Everyone on this board should know by now that I hate Rockefeller Republicans as much as the next guy. But you cant vote on a person JUST because of her ideology. The issue is not that she is too far right. Your missing the point. The issue is that she has ISSUES. She has problems. This isnt a Tom Coburn or Imhoffe were talking about here (who are high quality conservatives). She told a stupid lie about her record that was easily refutable (winning two of three districts against Biden?), and she has tried accusing Rasmussen of being in cahoots with the Republican Partry establishment. Werent the conspiracy nuts only supposed to be on the Democrat side? Yes, it does make it harder that she is showing these question marks in a state that is blue and getting bluer with almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. But how far right she is isnt the issue.
I agree that the Republican Establishment needs to get behind her and support her in the General Election, and I agree that Rove shouldnt have been so negative (though he did say he would supoort the Republican). But Rove is a Fox News analyst. His job is to tell you the situation in Delaware. And the situation in Delweare is that we have gone from an automatic seat to a big question mark at best. We are now going to have to put energy and money into this state that could have been used elsewhere in other battleground states (California for instance).
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Sorry guys, but Im not with you on this one. Everyone on this board should know by now that I hate Rockefeller Republicans as much as the next guy. But you cant vote on a person JUST because of her ideology. The issue is not that she is too far right. Your missing the point. The issue is that she has ISSUES. She has problems. This isnt a Tom Coburn or Imhoffe were talking about here (who are high quality conservatives). She told a stupid lie about her record that was easily refutable (winning two of three districts against Biden?), and she has tried accusing Rasmussen of being in cahoots with the Republican Partry establishment. Werent the conspiracy nuts only supposed to be on the Democrat side? Yes, it does make it harder that she is showing these question marks in a state that is blue and getting bluer with almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. But how far right she is isnt the issue.
I agree that the Republican Establishment needs to get behind her and support her in the General Election, and I agree that Rove shouldnt have been so negative (though he did say he would supoort the Republican). But Rove is a Fox News analyst. His job is to tell you the situation in Delaware. And the situation in Delweare is that we have gone from an automatic seat to a big question mark at best. We are now going to have to put energy and money into this state that could have been used elsewhere in other battleground states (California for instance).
props for your post here.
You're 100% right here - And the situation in Delweare is that we have gone from an automatic seat to a big question mark at best
IMO, the tea party voters are often so gung-ho about getting a non-traditional candidate that they will pick loonies, goofs, and obvious liars - "anything but the status quo!"
They'll get better with time, and when more quality candidates are willing to come fwd and say "I'm a tea party republican". Early on, sure, it may be many marginal candidates getting into the mix. Come 2012, everyone and anyone will be claiming Tea party membership to win a job.
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Rove was a bit harsh. I didn't know anything about this woman. Read a little about her and listened to her a bit. Sounds o.k. to me.
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Who the hell cares about party anymore? 240 you really crack me up, seriously. Castle has an F rating from the NRA, voted for Cap & Trade, said he wont vote to repeal obamacare, has one of the most liberal voting records on spending, and you expect people to just bend over so we can have another RINO and potential Jim Jeffords on our hands?
No thanks. I prefer taking the shot with ODonnell than a RINO who will vote for cap & trade, not vote to repeal obamacare, etc.
What good would a castle win be anyway?
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Rove was a bit harsh. I didn't know anything about this woman. Read a little about her and listened to her a bit. Sounds o.k. to me.
she did make quite an outrageous claim - she said (on tape) that she defeated Biden in 2 of 3 counties. This would, of course, have made her the winner. She won ONE of the counties. So she did strettttch the truth on it.
I like her positions on issues - It's just that she was willing to outright lie about something to easy to check - it makes you wonder about her integrity.
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Who the hell cares about party anymore? 240 you really crack me up, seriously. Castle has an F rating from the NRA, voted for Cap & Trade, said he wont vote to repeal obamacare, has one of the most liberal voting records on spending, and you expect people to just bend over so we can have another RINO and potential Jim Jeffords on our hands?
No thanks. I prefer taking the shot with ODonnell than a RINO who will vote for cap & trade, not vote to repeal obamacare, etc.
What good would a castle win be anyway?
I'd vote for her over the lib canddiate in a minute dude.
I'm saying from the GOP point of view, she gave the (D) a chance to win in that state where they had none, that's all.
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she did make quite an outrageous claim - she said (on tape) that she defeated Biden in 2 of 3 counties. This would, of course, have made her the winner. She won ONE of the counties. So she did strettttch the truth on it.
I like her positions on issues - It's just that she was willing to outright lie about something to easy to check - it makes you wonder about her integrity.
Again, the issue to me is how a person will vote on issues, nothing else. In my mind, if you vote for cap & trade and have an F rating from the NRA, you have no business in any elected officer anywhere.
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I'd vote for her over the lib canddiate in a minute dude.
I'm saying from the GOP point of view, she gave the (D) a chance to win in that state where they had none, that's all.
Castle is a democrat is reality anyway.
I really dont care anymore about party as much as ideology. Cap & Trade and F rating from the NRA is probably the worst possible things in my mind.
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she did make quite an outrageous claim - she said (on tape) that she defeated Biden in 2 of 3 counties. This would, of course, have made her the winner. She won ONE of the counties. So she did strettttch the truth on it.
I like her positions on issues - It's just that she was willing to outright lie about something to easy to check - it makes you wonder about her integrity.
Did she lie or misspeak? What was her explanation?
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To me, having the GOP control the Senate in a 49-51 basis where Castle is the one voteis an awful situation. I would rather have the gop have the house of reps and have a 49-51 minority in the Senate.
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Christine O'Donnell, who is challenging Rep. Mike Castle for the Delaware GOP Senate nomination, recently landed in hot water for saying she had won two (of three) counties in 2008 against Joe Biden.
She did not.
She then backtracked on a radio program and said she meant she tied. She did not do that either. She lost Kent County 57%-43% and came extraordinarily close in Sussex County, the Southernmost county, losing by just 272 votes.
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Yet Biden gets a free pass for his many faux pas?????
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Yet Biden gets a free pass for his many faux pas?????
who said he gets a free pass?
you use biden's lies to excuse her lie?
Okay, they're both lying pieces of shite. bravo. You have effectively put her in the Biden category for integrity. Sweet. Nice.
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who said he gets a free pass?
you use biden's lies to excuse her lie?
Okay, they're both lying pieces of shite. bravo. You have effectively put her in the Biden category for integrity. Sweet. Nice.
How I am looking at this is how she will vote on issues like cap & tax, obamaCare, etc.
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Christine O'Donnell, who is challenging Rep. Mike Castle for the Delaware GOP Senate nomination, recently landed in hot water for saying she had won two (of three) counties in 2008 against Joe Biden.
She did not.
She then backtracked on a radio program and said she meant she tied. She did not do that either. She lost Kent County 57%-43% and came extraordinarily close in Sussex County, the Southernmost county, losing by just 272 votes.
Where are the quotes?
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Where are the quotes?
Politico’s David Catanese: As buzz about Christine O’Donnell’s insurgent Senate candidacy in Delaware builds, scrutiny about her record is also intensifying, even from unlikely sources. On Tuesday morning, O’Donnell was grilled on a Delaware radio station by a host who supported her first run for Senate in 2006, posing tough questions about her electoral claims, campaign debt and a scathing personal attack against Rep. Mike Castle produced by a former campaign aide. The 22-minute interview conducted by conservative WGMD host Dan Gaffney included a lively back-and-forth that placed O’Donnell on the defensive, with just 12 days until the GOP Senate primary. Gaffney first called O’Donnell out for repeatedly making a false claim she won two out of the state’s three counties against Vice President Joe Biden in the 2008 Senate race. “I don’t ever think I ever said I won two out of three counties,” O’Donnell said, before Gaffney played audiotape from an event in Pennsylvania where she made the claim. “I was the 2008 endorsed candidate against Joe Biden and I won in two counties,” she says in the tape. O’Donnell’s explanation: “You know that probably was, you’re on the campaign trail a lot, I meant tied.” Replied Gaffney: “You didn’t tie him either.” O’Donnell, the 2008 GOP Senate nominee, continued to claim she tied Biden in Sussex County. “Look at the results: He beat you. He won in votes. You know that,” Gaffney said.
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Politico’s David Catanese: As buzz about Christine O’Donnell’s insurgent Senate candidacy in Delaware builds, scrutiny about her record is also intensifying, even from unlikely sources. On Tuesday morning, O’Donnell was grilled on a Delaware radio station by a host who supported her first run for Senate in 2006, posing tough questions about her electoral claims, campaign debt and a scathing personal attack against Rep. Mike Castle produced by a former campaign aide. The 22-minute interview conducted by conservative WGMD host Dan Gaffney included a lively back-and-forth that placed O’Donnell on the defensive, with just 12 days until the GOP Senate primary. Gaffney first called O’Donnell out for repeatedly making a false claim she won two out of the state’s three counties against Vice President Joe Biden in the 2008 Senate race. “I don’t ever think I ever said I won two out of three counties,” O’Donnell said, before Gaffney played audiotape from an event in Pennsylvania where she made the claim. “I was the 2008 endorsed candidate against Joe Biden and I won in two counties,” she says in the tape. O’Donnell’s explanation: “You know that probably was, you’re on the campaign trail a lot, I meant tied.” Replied Gaffney: “You didn’t tie him either.” O’Donnell, the 2008 GOP Senate nominee, continued to claim she tied Biden in Sussex County. “Look at the results: He beat you. He won in votes. You know that,” Gaffney said.
Sounds like she lied, but I'd be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Not in the Blumenthal (sp?) category.
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Basically what happened is that she said she won 2 of 3 counties against Biden and actually didnt win any of them. She can very close to winning one, but for one of the counties she said she won she actually lost by something like 50%!!!
33, Mike Castle gives you a vote for repealing Obamacare, and he gives you votes against any additional large stimuluses (he voted against all of those). On his show, Hugh Hewitt talks about teh importance of the 51st Senator, which gives Republicans power over how committes are set up and how they are run. This is espeacially important in the Judiciary Committe. If Obama appoints another Supreme Court Justice, you are going to want that gavel in Jim Sessions' hand, espeacially if that appointee is replacing a conservative Justice. You have to ask yourself, would you rather have 40 Jim Demints, or 60 Lindsay Grahams? 60 Lyndsay Grahams for me. Color the map red.
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I'm sorry, F rating from the NRA and Cap & Trade are just too much for me.
Also, I think she is going to win. She raised 1 Million dollars today alone and is running against a self described marxist.
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Yet Biden gets a free pass for his many faux pas?????
Interestingly enough I think that was exactly Odonnel's response. But I think the voters of Deleware in the General Election are going to want a better explanation than that from a potential Senator.
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In her $6.9 million gender discrimination lawsuit against her former employer, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, Delaware Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell claimed that "ISI violated its promise to allow Miss ODonnell time to take Master's degree classes at Princeton." According to the complaint, due to ISI's actions, "Miss O'Donnell has lost the increased earning power that a Master's degree from Princeton would have created," and this loss of "earning power" cost her "up to $50,000 per year, for three lost years at $150,000."
In fact, her campaign manager acknowledged that O'Donnell did not have her bachelor's degree at the time and only audited one undergraduate class at Princeton. O'Donnell was unable to explain this contradiction when asked about it by CNN's Jessica Yellin
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/reporters-question-odonnell-about-princeton-grad-school-claim?page=2
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Politico’s David Catanese: As buzz about Christine O’Donnell’s insurgent Senate candidacy in Delaware builds, scrutiny about her record is also intensifying, even from unlikely sources. On Tuesday morning, O’Donnell was grilled on a Delaware radio station by a host who supported her first run for Senate in 2006, posing tough questions about her electoral claims, campaign debt and a scathing personal attack against Rep. Mike Castle produced by a former campaign aide. The 22-minute interview conducted by conservative WGMD host Dan Gaffney included a lively back-and-forth that placed O’Donnell on the defensive, with just 12 days until the GOP Senate primary. Gaffney first called O’Donnell out for repeatedly making a false claim she won two out of the state’s three counties against Vice President Joe Biden in the 2008 Senate race. “I don’t ever think I ever said I won two out of three counties,” O’Donnell said, before Gaffney played audiotape from an event in Pennsylvania where she made the claim. “I was the 2008 endorsed candidate against Joe Biden and I won in two counties,” she says in the tape. O’Donnell’s explanation: “You know that probably was, you’re on the campaign trail a lot, I meant tied.” Replied Gaffney: “You didn’t tie him either.” O’Donnell, the 2008 GOP Senate nominee, continued to claim she tied Biden in Sussex County. “Look at the results: He beat you. He won in votes. You know that,” Gaffney said.
WOW. i had heard about this radio interview, but that is the first time I have actually seen a transcript. And you guys wonder why Rove was so pissed.
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She's gonna be amusing!
CHRISTINE O’DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you’re exaggerating or lying to, because it’s not respecting reality
"She believes evolution is a lie!"
CHRISTINE O'DONNELL: Well, creationism, in essence, is believing that the world began as the Bible in Genesis says, that God created the Earth in six days, six 24-hour periods. And there is just as much, if not more, evidence supporting that.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/77707/odonnell-carbon-dating-bogus
She's anti-Masturbation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christine O'Donnell, the Republican nominee for Senate in Delaware, discussing her group the Saviors Alliance for Lifting the Truth, or SALT. In it, she says, "Lust in your heart is committing adultery, and you can't masturbate without lust."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2010/09/christine_odonnell_thinks_mast.html
So needless to say - - - I think she's going to be very fun political theater - and I can see why Rove and many others think she's not electable. She's WAY far right.
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Coons took 'bearded Marxist' turn (Dem Delaware Senate Candidate)
Politico ^ | 5/3/10 10:52 PM EDT | ALEX ISENSTADT
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:37:26 PM by Red Steel
An article Democrat Chris Coons wrote for his college newspaper may not go over so well in corporation-friendly Delaware, where he already faces an uphill battle for Vice President Joe Biden’s old Senate seat.
The title? “Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist.”
In the article, Coons, then 21 years old and about to graduate from Amherst College, chronicled his transformation from a sheltered, conservative-minded college student who had worked for former GOP Delaware Sen. William Roth and had campaigned for Ronald Reagan in 1980 into a cynical young adult who was distrustful of American power and willing to question the American notion of free enterprise.
Coons, the New Castle County executive who is running against GOP Rep. Michael Castle for the state’s open Senate seat, wrote of his political evolution in the May 23, 1985, edition of the Amherst Student.
The source of his conversion, Coons wrote, was a trip to Kenya he took during the spring semester of his junior year—a time away from America, he wrote, that served as a “catalyst” in altering a conservative political outlook that he was growing increasingly uncomfortable with.
“My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote, noting that at one time he had been a “proud founding member of the Amherst College Republicans.”
“t is only too easy to return from Africa glad to be American and smugly thankful for our wealth and freedom,” added Coons. “Instead, Amherst had taught me to question, so in turn I questioned Amherst, and America.”
Dave Hoffman, a Coons campaign spokesman, said the title of the article was designed as a humorous take-off on a joke Coons’s college friends had made about how his time outside the country had affected his outlook.
Hoffman said the trip to Kenya helped lead to Coons’s decision to become a Democrat.
“Chris wrote an article about a transformative experience during his semester in Kenya more than twenty-five years ago,” said Hoffman in a statement to POLITICO. “After witnessing crushing poverty and the consequences of the Reagan Administration’s ‘constructive engagement’ with the South African apartheid regime, he rethought his political views, returned to the America he loved and proudly registered as a Democrat.”
In one passage of the article, Coons explains how in the months leading up to the trip abroad “leftists” on campus and college professors had begun to “challenge the basic assumptions” he had formed about America.
A course on cultural anthropology, noted Coons, had “undermined the accepted value of progress and the cultural superiority of the West,” while a class on the Vietnam War led him to “suspect…that the ideal of America as a ‘beacon of freedom and justice, providing hope for the world’ was not exactly based in reality.”
For Coons, Kenya was an especially jarring experience that significantly influenced his already-changing political beliefs. He wrote that he was particularly troubled by his experience with Kenyan elites, who he said were utterly dismissive of the poor.
“I became friends with a very wealthy businessman and his family and heard them reiterate the same beliefs held by many Americans: the poor are poor because they are lazy, slovenly, uneducated,” wrote Coons. “I realize that Kenya and America are very different, but experiences like this warned me that my own favorite beliefs in the miracles of free enterprise and the boundless opportunities to be had in America were largely untrue.”
Coons wrote that upon his return to Amherst for his senior year he realized that, while he had discovered the faults of his country, he had also “returned to loving America.”
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Coons took 'bearded Marxist' turn (Dem Delaware Senate Candidate)
Politico ^ | 5/3/10 10:52 PM EDT | ALEX ISENSTADT
Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:37:26 PM by Red Steel
An article Democrat Chris Coons wrote for his college newspaper may not go over so well in corporation-friendly Delaware, where he already faces an uphill battle for Vice President Joe Biden’s old Senate seat.
The title? “Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist.”
In the article, Coons, then 21 years old and about to graduate from Amherst College, chronicled his transformation from a sheltered, conservative-minded college student who had worked for former GOP Delaware Sen. William Roth and had campaigned for Ronald Reagan in 1980 into a cynical young adult who was distrustful of American power and willing to question the American notion of free enterprise.
Coons, the New Castle County executive who is running against GOP Rep. Michael Castle for the state’s open Senate seat, wrote of his political evolution in the May 23, 1985, edition of the Amherst Student.
The source of his conversion, Coons wrote, was a trip to Kenya he took during the spring semester of his junior year—a time away from America, he wrote, that served as a “catalyst” in altering a conservative political outlook that he was growing increasingly uncomfortable with.
“My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote, noting that at one time he had been a “proud founding member of the Amherst College Republicans.”
“t is only too easy to return from Africa glad to be American and smugly thankful for our wealth and freedom,” added Coons. “Instead, Amherst had taught me to question, so in turn I questioned Amherst, and America.”
Dave Hoffman, a Coons campaign spokesman, said the title of the article was designed as a humorous take-off on a joke Coons’s college friends had made about how his time outside the country had affected his outlook.
Hoffman said the trip to Kenya helped lead to Coons’s decision to become a Democrat.
“Chris wrote an article about a transformative experience during his semester in Kenya more than twenty-five years ago,” said Hoffman in a statement to POLITICO. “After witnessing crushing poverty and the consequences of the Reagan Administration’s ‘constructive engagement’ with the South African apartheid regime, he rethought his political views, returned to the America he loved and proudly registered as a Democrat.”
In one passage of the article, Coons explains how in the months leading up to the trip abroad “leftists” on campus and college professors had begun to “challenge the basic assumptions” he had formed about America.
A course on cultural anthropology, noted Coons, had “undermined the accepted value of progress and the cultural superiority of the West,” while a class on the Vietnam War led him to “suspect…that the ideal of America as a ‘beacon of freedom and justice, providing hope for the world’ was not exactly based in reality.”
For Coons, Kenya was an especially jarring experience that significantly influenced his already-changing political beliefs. He wrote that he was particularly troubled by his experience with Kenyan elites, who he said were utterly dismissive of the poor.
“I became friends with a very wealthy businessman and his family and heard them reiterate the same beliefs held by many Americans: the poor are poor because they are lazy, slovenly, uneducated,” wrote Coons. “I realize that Kenya and America are very different, but experiences like this warned me that my own favorite beliefs in the miracles of free enterprise and the boundless opportunities to be had in America were largely untrue.”
Coons wrote that upon his return to Amherst for his senior year he realized that, while he had discovered the faults of his country, he had also “returned to loving America.”
Not surprising. You ever meet anyone whose gone to Amherst College?
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This election is gonna be gold!
both candidates SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KK!!
hahahahaha this one will be amusing. Religious nutbag Liar vs Socialist. it's like the pre-game to Palin Vs Obama 2012!
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Note for getbiggers:
A paper written about socialism (by the dem candidate) is completely relevant to the campaign. Even if it was 25 years ago.
Any statements made by the Repub candidate last year, or in the last 5-10 years... IRRELEVANT!!!
Let's get the double standard out of the way now!
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Interestingly enough I think that was exactly Odonnel's response. But I think the voters of Deleware in the General Election are going to want a better explanation than that from a potential Senator.
Actually and I'm being serious, I think voters are starting to get to the point where they care a lot less about petty stuff like this. If this is the kind of thing the opposition uses as ammo to fire back then they're going to find themselves at a loss. I think she's got a great shot.
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This election is gonna be gold!
both candidates SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KK!!
hahahahaha this one will be amusing. Religious nutbag Liar vs Socialist. it's like the pre-game to Palin Vs Obama 2012!
Why is religion important to you all of a sudden? Who cares if someone wants to thump their bible. Bonafide socialist vs harmless religious nutball. Wonder which one is more dangerous to this country? ::)
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Why is religion important to you all of a sudden? ::)
it's not. I think it's every person's own belief system to possess - and I think it doesn't belong in governing.
Remember Clinton carrying the bible - front cover out - to impress voters after being caught mouth-f**king a woman and lying about it? I think that did it for me. Leave religion out of it.
That whole 'earth is only 5000 years old' kinda turns me off. the other stuff, anti-masturbation, is hilarious. I've said I'd vote for her if I lived there. Even if she does like to fib about her wins, then fib about a tie. She'd get my vote, if only to stop the damn spending.
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She's gonna be amusing!
CHRISTINE O’DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you’re exaggerating or lying to, because it’s not respecting reality
"She believes evolution is a lie!"
CHRISTINE O'DONNELL: Well, creationism, in essence, is believing that the world began as the Bible in Genesis says, that God created the Earth in six days, six 24-hour periods. And there is just as much, if not more, evidence supporting that.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/77707/odonnell-carbon-dating-bogus
She's anti-Masturbation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christine O'Donnell, the Republican nominee for Senate in Delaware, discussing her group the Saviors Alliance for Lifting the Truth, or SALT. In it, she says, "Lust in your heart is committing adultery, and you can't masturbate without lust."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2010/09/christine_odonnell_thinks_mast.html
So needless to say - - - I think she's going to be very fun political theater - and I can see why Rove and many others think she's not electable. She's WAY far right.
Think you used enough exclamation marks? ::)
Macro-evolution has not been proved. Cannot be proved. There is a lot of good literature about it. There is an old thread on the Religion Board I created called "Billions of Millions Links." Go educate yourself. :)
Where did she say she was "anti-masturbation"?
Getting worked up over this is stupid.
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Not surprising. You ever meet anyone whose gone to Amherst College?
A number of people. All of them very smart. It's arguably the best liberal arts college in the country, next to Swarthmore.
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That whole 'earth is only 5000 years old' kinda turns me off.
Not what she said. But don't let the facts get in the way.
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it's not. I think it's every person's own belief system to possess - and I think it doesn't belong in governing.
Remember Clinton carrying the bible - front cover out - to impress voters after being caught mouth-f**king a woman and lying about it? I think that did it for me. Leave religion out of it.
That whole 'earth is only 5000 years old' kinda turns me off. the other stuff, anti-masturbation, is hilarious. I've said I'd vote for her if I lived there. Even if she does like to fib about her wins, then fib about a tie. She'd get my vote, if only to stop the damn spending.
The thing about government and religion, it's impossible, absolutely impossible not to mix the two. The people who are governing, their religious views or lack of religious views are going to show in their decision making. Ones religious views or lack of are a large part of what makes someone who they are and it is impossible to separate that from the individual...that would make them a robot.
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The thing about government and religion, it's impossible, absolutely impossible not to mix the two. The people who are governing, their religious views or lack of religious views are going to show in their decision making. Ones religious views or lack of are a large part of what makes someone who they are and it is impossible to separate that from the individual...that would make them a robot.
Exactly. And we don't have to censor religious expression or religion in general from the public square.
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Exactly. And we don't have to censor religious expression or religion in general from the public square.
Exactly x2. Where people pull this idea from that religion should be barred from the public square is beyond me.
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Exactly x2. Where people pull this idea from that religion should be barred from the public square is beyond me.
It's a misinterpretation of the "wall between church and state" language.
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It's a misinterpretation of the "wall between church and state" language.
Yes, that I understand, I understand what they base it off of, it's how they base it off of it that is so ridiculous. There are literally thousands of letter and documents written by the founders that go into great detail over this matter. For crying out loud, for 150yrs congress opened each session with a prayer, issued an official congressional bible, based all their decisions off the convictions of their hearts.
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Take a look at Jim Gerahty's blog at National Review. Gerahty is no RINO. And he does not underestimate the conservative tsunami that is about to sweep through the country. In fact, in other parts of his blog, he talks about the possibility of veto proof majorities in Congress for Republicans after 2012.
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/245653/odonnell-would-be-better-served-defense-besides-stuff-doesnt-matter
This is different from Marco Rubio in Florida. Marco Rubio is a great candidate. No one should have thought that he was unelectable.
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Macro-evolution has not been proved. Cannot be proved. There is a lot of good literature about it. There is an old thread on the Religion Board I created called "Billions of Millions Links." Go educate yourself. :)
Oh my goodness.
You think the world is about 5000 years old, don't you beach Bum?
All this time, I had no idea man.
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Think you used enough exclamation marks? ::)
Macro-evolution has not been proved. Cannot be proved. There is a lot of good literature about it. There is an old thread on the Religion Board I created called "Billions of Millions Links." Go educate yourself. :)
Where did she say she was "anti-masturbation"?
Getting worked up over this is stupid.
as posted by TA... It's pretty clear and retarded beyond repair: I tried to find the clip without rachael madcow but couldn't... so sorry madcow haters, I tried...
I can't support a person who uttered this level of complete religulous bullshit. I wouldn't vote for someone who said this stupid shit even if they were only running for a spot as county coroner.
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Oh my goodness.
You think the world is about 5000 years old, don't you beach Bum?
All this time, I had no idea man.
Bwhahahahaha!!!!! i bet he does....
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I had no idea BB believed the earth was 5000 years old. Wow. I don't know where to begin. I'm sorry Beach.
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Why is religion important to you all of a sudden? Who cares if someone wants to thump their bible. Bonafide socialist vs harmless religious nutball. Wonder which one is more dangerous to this country? ::)
Says the man who would melt the fuck down if a politican were an Islamic literalist (the Muslim equivalent to O'Donnell and her ilk), "thumping the Koran" whilst trying to get elected.
You amuse me to no end. El-O-El.
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S.A.L.T!!!!! BWHWHWHAHAhahhahahahahah aha ::) ::) ::) ::)
right when I was about to warm up to the whole tea party thing, they hold up this kind of shit... no way no way, never ever ever.
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S.A.L.T!!!!! BWHWHWHAHAhahhahahahahah aha ::) ::) ::) ::)
right when I was about to warm up to the whole tea party thing, they hold up this kind of shit... no way no way, never ever ever.
Her religous beliefs about masturbation are indeed stupid, but that shouldnt be an issue in the campaign, and has nothing to do with how she will perform in office. You voted for Obama didnt you? Obama and his ilk hold beliefs that are just as stupid and super natural when it comes to the economy. That has a direct effect on you and me. Her religous beliefs about masturbation do not.
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Her religous beliefs about masturbation are indeed stupid, but that shouldnt be an issue in the campaign, and has nothing to do with how she will perform in office. You voted for Obama didnt you? Obama and his ilk hold beliefs that are just as stupid and super natural when it comes to the economy. That has a direct effect on you and me. Her religous beliefs about masturbation do not.
I'm sorry, if any video of Obama surfaced where he was on a national crusade against masterbation, I would absolutely have not voted in the last presidential election. That level of religious insanity really pisses me off and it does say something about the person you're voting for!. Masterbation is totally natural, I do it, my wife does it, we both know it and then we do eachother when we're both there and neither of us thinks a thing about it and no way we're cheating on eachother for getting off without the other ::) And her shit was directed towards teens back then. That's even worse imo! It's totally natural in human sexual development during those years. I'm absolutely against someone who comes along with a message of condemnation and guilt for what they're not going to be able to avoid. I guarantee this bitch is either the coldest fish in the sea or a fucking major hypocrite. A kid going through natural development shouldn't have to feel guilty of what is totally natural, and when they do it's because they've heard the sort of message spewed by this bitch. No way I would vote for Obama if he had said this crap.
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No, buy you voted for him saying the following, which you and the other had no problem with:
1. Wants to bankrupt the coal industry.
2. Wants to "skyrocket" peoples' electric bill.
3. Said the constitution is a flawed document.
4. Lied about attentiding a racist church for 20 years.
5. Wanted govt to take over energy and health care.
6. Said he wants to redistribute the welath.
No, you had no issue with those things, but care about this ladys' religious beliefs?
Whatever.
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So if someone actually stands behind what their particular religion teaches in regards to something, they are wrong but if someone sits in a hate-filled, "god damn America" church.....yeah, yeah, he wasn't listening.....for 20 yrs.....you guys think its the same, different or worse?
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Hugo, TA, and the others who a DONATED $ $ $ $ $ money to obama had no problem with him saying we are a fundamentally flawed nation, michelle Obama saying "For the first time in my adult life . . .. ", and on and on and on.
Yet this they get crazy over.
Go figure. no wonder we have obama as POTUS.
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Hugo, TA, and the others who a DONATED $ $ $ $ $ money to obama had no problem with him saying we are a fundamentally flawed nation, michelle Obama saying "For the first time in my adult life . . .. ", and on and on and on.
Yet this they get crazy over.
Go figure. no wonder we have obama as POTUS.
I know. Which one of the things I mentioned above reveals a disdain for your country and which one is an irrelevant "hot button" topic....I wonder what they will say.
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I know. Which one of the things I mentioned above reveals a disdain for your country and which one is an irrelevant "hot button" topic....I wonder what they will say.
Again, this is why the left gets their news and opinions from comedians etc.
They are a joke.
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No, buy you voted for him saying the following, which you and the other had no problem with:
1. Wants to bankrupt the coal industry. actually during the election he was for the clean coal goals which is in line with the coal industry message. I know there was a controverial statement during that time but I didn't find it conclusive against his definitive statements for clean coal tech.
2. Wants to "skyrocket" peoples' electric bill.There is no way this sort of thing was stated during the election ::)
3. Said the constitution is a flawed document. taken out of context, I dare you to post the full context of what he was saying
4. Lied about attentiding a racist church for 20 years. I've already discussed this at great length when it happened.
5. Wanted govt to take over energy and health care. I too wanted the health care mess delt with and government. I didn't thing as much about the energy issue but hell you can't hold me to every splinter of what's going on. everyone has their main issues right?
6. Said he wants to redistribute the welath.depending on the context of that, I'm for it. No I wouldn't be for just taking away money from the rich and giving to the poor. Yes we are in the new age for the robber baron and even you've talked about that some. I'm all for a level playing field and we both know sometimes the big guy get shit stacked in their favor, well, because they're the big guys... The shit we've seen over recent years, I'm sure you can admit is a bit out of control for the big guys.
No, you had no issue with those things, but care about this ladys' religious beliefs?
Whatever.
anyway, everyone has their different priorities during elections. Everyone has something different that would stop them from voting for a person or make them vote for a person. I've expressed my opinion here. I don't expect to hold any of you to these things because no doubt you have your own priorities and issues. That's all good... That's America man... ;D
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Updated: Thu., Sep. 16, 2010, 8:47 AM
Party hacks need to taste the Tea or they're toast
By CHARLES HURT
www.nypost.com
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WASHINGTON -- No matter how many cups of tea get thrown in their faces, Republicans around here keep forgetting just how scalding hot it is.
It is like they still don't get what this whole Tea Party movement is about.
For weeks, Republicans in Washington have wrung their hands in earnest worry that the stupid voters of Delaware were on a scary lark -- flitting after a crazy woman to hand her the GOP nomination for Senate.
Christine O'Donnell's personal finances were lousy, they said. She talked about people hiding in her bushes.
More alarming, she once spoke publicly and passionately against a certain type of self-satisfaction -- which, here in the Capital of Self-Satisfaction, tends to make people nervous.
Making matters even worse, the only reason people were flocking to O'Donnell is because that even crazier Sarah Palin had anointed her.
And there is nothing Republicans find more terrifying than the untamable Sarah Palin romping around the country waving her wand and remaking their party.
Well, you know what? We know that O'Donnell and Palin and Joe Miller and Marco Rubio and all the rest of the Tea Partiers have plenty of warts among them.
You have done your devil best to make sure we saw them all. But their warts have largely made these folks more appealing because so often the trials and tribulations in their lives reflect those in ours.
There is one thing we know for certain about these untidy Republican Rebels. They are not the ones who have so colossally fouled things up in this country.
And their misdeeds in life, they have done to themselves.
The disaster created by the crowd currently in Washington has been done to innocent Americans everywhere and unborn generations to come.
churt@nypost.com
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Spot on.
Obama AND THE PYCHOS ON THE LEFT spend literally two years on an unfettered rampage against the nation with the most horrific policies and yet only now the worms crawl out from under their rocks to trash this woman.
Again. no wonder Obama is POTUS with morons like this.
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Hugo, TA, and the others who a DONATED $ $ $ $ $ money to obama had no problem with him saying we are a fundamentally flawed nation, michelle Obama saying "For the first time in my adult life . . .. ", and on and on and on.
Yet this they get crazy over.
Go figure. no wonder we have obama as POTUS.
shit, give me a few minutes to answer your post. I'm not the post wize you are lol.... I answered these questions in the reply I just made to the same questions you already made. I'll try to be quicker next time lol...
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anyway, everyone has their different priorities during elections. Everyone has something different that would stop them from voting for a person or make them vote for a person. I've expressed my opinion here. I don't expect to hold any of you to these things because no doubt you have your own priorities and issues. That's all good... That's America man... ;D
Hugo - are you really this ignorant?
The statement on electric rates was out there before the elction, it was just that the kneepadders like yourself ignored everything that came out because you were duped and were played for a sucker by the Hope & Change Express. I know you don't like him now, but that does not hide the fact that you loved the guy before the election while all this stuff was out there.
Sucks to be you now no?
These were out well before the election. Watch the second one particularly. This was during theem primary for gods' sake!
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Sorry guys, but Im not with you on this one. Everyone on this board should know by now that I hate Rockefeller Republicans as much as the next guy. But you cant vote on a person JUST because of her ideology. The issue is not that she is too far right. Your missing the point. The issue is that she has ISSUES. She has problems. This isnt a Tom Coburn or Imhoffe were talking about here (who are high quality conservatives). She told a stupid lie about her record that was easily refutable (winning two of three districts against Biden?), and she has tried accusing Rasmussen of being in cahoots with the Republican Partry establishment. Werent the conspiracy nuts only supposed to be on the Democrat side? Yes, it does make it harder that she is showing these question marks in a state that is blue and getting bluer with almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. But how far right she is isnt the issue.
I agree that the Republican Establishment needs to get behind her and support her in the General Election, and I agree that Rove shouldnt have been so negative (though he did say he would supoort the Republican). But Rove is a Fox News analyst. His job is to tell you the situation in Delaware. And the situation in Delweare is that we have gone from an automatic seat to a big question mark at best. We are now going to have to put energy and money into this state that could have been used elsewhere in other battleground states (California for instance).
The original subject of this thread was how Carl Rove, even after the Republican Candidate was chosen by the voters in Delaware, in a fair election, was still smearing her name. Even last night on Fox (Greta) over 24 hours after the primary was over, he was in attack mode again, still smearing her name. I don't take for one minute his lame excuse of him being an "analyst", the primary was over, and done, move one... stop the smear campaign, your guy lost, But he couldn't and didn't. I blame him partially for us now having Obama, as his advice to Bush, is what pissed of many conservatives. Carl Rove is a power hungry self indulged person, another version of James Carville, actually he is even worse, as once Obama was chosen by the voters to be the Democratic Candidate (over Hillary), James Carville stopped his smear of Obama that very minute, while even over 24 hours after the Republican candidate was chosen by the voters of Delaware in a fair election, Carl Rove is still bashing her.
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The original subject of this thread was how Carl Rove, even after the Republican Candidate was chosen by the voters in Delaware, in a fair election, was still smearing her name. Even last night on Fox (Greta) over 24 hours after the primary was over, he was in attack mode again, still smearing her name. I don't take for one minute his lame excuse of him being an "analyst". The primary was over, and done, move one... But he couldn't and didn't. I blame him partially for us now having Obama, as his advice to Bush, is what pissed of many conservatives. Carl Rove is a power hungry self indulged person, another version of James Carville, actually he is even worse, as once Obama was chosen by the voters to be the Democratic Candidate (over Hillary), James Carville stopped his smear of Obama that very minute, while even over 24 hours after the Republican was chosen by the voters of Delaware in a fair election, Carl Rove is still bashing her.
The race is already down to 9 points and she is going to win.
Additionaslly, Rove actively supported Castle so he needs to STFU and go away.
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Wait until Delaware understands the democrat is a self described Marxist.
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The race is already down to 9 points and she is going to win.
Additionaslly, Rove actively supported Castle so he needs to STFU and go away.
That is my whole point.
Carl Rove is not smearing her name because he is a paid analyst for fox, he is smearing her name because his guy lost, and he cant handle it, and the curtain has been lifted to show who and what he really is, and that is a self indulged pile if shit.
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Wait until Delaware understands the democrat is a self described Marxist.
They need to run with that. Obama's marxism is so toxic right now, anything remotely connected to him Reid/Pelosi is like AIDS.
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At this point, voters are willing to take a religious nutjob who's had financial problems over an incumbent politician. That says a lot about how America is feeling and what the Tea Party can accomplish with good candidates. The Republican party can either get on board or step aside while all the moderates get ousted.
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At this point, voters are willing to take a religious nutjob who's had financial problems over an incumbent politician. That says a lot about how America is feeling and what the Tea Party can accomplish with good candidates. The Republican party can either get on board or step aside while all the moderates get ousted.
Agreed, I was polled the other night and told the pollster i am voting out whever is an incumbent, regardless of party.
I am volunteering for Paladino & DioGuardi as it is.
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Hugo - are you really this ignorant?
The statement on electric rates was out there before the elction, it was just that the kneepadders like yourself ignored everything that came out because you were duped and were played for a sucker by the Hope & Change Express. I know you don't like him now, but that does not hide the fact that you loved the guy before the election while all this stuff was out there.
Sucks to be you now no?
These were out well before the election. Watch the second one particularly. This was during theem primary for gods' sake!
listen you fucking sack of shit. I just told you the electric wasn't a main focus for me back then or did you fucking as usual not read my post? You chose to ignore everything else I said and focus on calling me out on what I said wasn't a main issue for me in the election? And you're calling me ignorant? Hey, I'm fucking happy to admit Obama didn't live up to what he advertised, but fuck you asshole if your going to nitpick on shit like electric issues in calling me out ::) Go fuck yourself asshole.
NO, IT DOESN'T SUCK TO BE ME. I'M AN HONEST PERSON HERE... IT WOULD SUCK TO BE YOU CALLING OUT OTHERS FOR THEIR HONESTY...
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I guess "Hope & Change" trumped actual issues and statements by Obama that were not scripted in his made-for-suckers speeches you fools ate up like pie.
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I guess "Hope & Change" trumped actual issues and statements by Obama that were not scripted in his made-for-suckers speeches you fools ate up like pie.
how about you actually reply to what I said and skip the fancy one liner ownage bullshit which you know I don't buy into anyway ::)
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what's wrong 3333, you're afraid to actually address the things I said and must resort to a petty insulting post instead?
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what's wrong 3333, you're afraid to actually address the things I said and must resort to a petty insulting post instead?
Ok fine Hugo - if energy was not your issue as to why you voted for him, what was that you focused on?
To me, the energy taxes, the statements about the Const., redistribution of wealth, etc etc were all at the top of my list as to why I would never have voted for him.
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I knew nothing about O'Donnell until last night
she might be the looniest of the current batch of tea party candidates
I have to admit it's fucking hilarious watching Karl Rove bitch and moan about her doing the exact same bullshit that he and the other neocons have done for the past 15 years
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Ok fine Hugo - if energy was not your issue as to why you voted for him, what was that you focused on?
To me, the energy taxes, the statements about the Const., redistribution of wealth, etc etc were all at the top of my list as to why I would never have voted for him.
I don't know why anyone other than myself voted for him but my primary reason was because the alternative was simply unnaceptable
it was a simple choice
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Ok fine Hugo - if energy was not your issue as to why you voted for him, what was that you focused on?
To me, the energy taxes, the statements about the Const., redistribution of wealth, etc etc were all at the top of my list as to why I would never have voted for him.
could you please go up and actually read my posts before replying. Also read the section in red above. After you've actually read my posts, I'll be happy to reply to any question you pose. But as it is now, It looks very much like you're asking me to repeat myself all because you're in to much of a hurry to read.
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I don't know why anyone other than myself voted for him but my primary reason was because the alternative was simply unnaceptable
it was a simple choice
"bigtime" lol... and many of the things 3333 is bitching about absolutely would have gone the same under McCain... But he's not mentioning that in this thread lol....
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"bigtime" lol... and many of the things 3333 is bitching about absolutely would have gone the same under McCain... But he's not mentioning that in this thread lol....
I did read your post and other than health care, you did not say what affirmatively was the reason you voted for him.
I posed a list of items, and you disagreed with the context etc etc. So if those things were off your radar, what was in your radar as to why you voted for him?
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"bigtime" lol... and many of the things 3333 is bitching about absolutely would have gone the same under McCain... But he's not mentioning that in this thread lol....
Really?We would have gotten the horrible health care bill?We would have gotten the horrible stimulus bill?The horrible financial reform bill?The take over of GM?9.6%UE?Somehow I doubt we would have gotten any of that crap that is purposely wrecking our country.
Now,I saw Joe Biden on Maddow last night[by the way how short will that idiot cut her hair before she is bald].You libs can mock and laugh about Palin all day long.She is LIGHT YEARS smarter,brighter,more articulate and capeable then that dolt.He is an absolute moron and borderline retard.So we wouldnt have had him either if McCAIN WON.
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I did read your post and other than health care, you did not say what affirmatively was the reason you voted for him.
I posed a list of items, and you disagreed with the context etc etc. So if those things were off your radar, what was in your radar as to why you voted for him?
Oh you have got to be kidding me.... I've been questioned over this a zillion times and answered the hell out of it time and time again. ::) Even during the election I was open as hell on every reason. What the fuck do you want from me you fucking guy? Maybe I should sticky a thread with all my reasons just so you don't have to piss over it anymore?
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who is making excuses
at the time of the election all voters had a choice and the majority rejected McCain/Palin and chose Obama/Biden (and I believe the decision was in that order)
in 2012 we'll be faced with a similar choice and we'll see what happens
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Really?We would have gotten the horrible health care bill?We would have gotten the horrible stimulus bill?The horrible financial reform bill?The take over of GM?9.6%UE?Somehow I doubt we would have gotten any of that crap that is purposely wrecking our country.
Now,I saw Joe Biden on Maddow last night[by the way how short will that idiot cut her hair before she is bald].You libs can mock and laugh about Palin all day long.She is LIGHT YEARS smarter,brighter,more articulate and capeable then that dolt.He is an absolute moron and borderline retard.So we wouldnt have had him either if McCAIN WON.
yes you thickskull asshole, the stimules bill would have gone the same under McCain... I think even 3333 knows that.... And thus many of the same pressures applied by the bankers and corporations would have been the same as we're seeing under Obama.... You have a lot to learn but it's to late for you...
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yes you thickskull asshole, the stimules bill would have gone the same under McCain... I think even 3333 knows that.... And thus many of the same pressures applied by the bankers and corporations would have been the same as we're seeing under Obama.... You have a lot to learn but it's to late for you...
Sorry Hugo - I don't think mcCain would have spent $830,000 on teaching Africans how to wash their nutsack.
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Sorry Hugo - I don't think mcCain would have spent $830,000 on teaching Africans how to wash their nutsack.
oh, that was something he said during the campain NOT!!! or are you changing the argument just because that's what you love to do? ::)
I said many of the things would have gone down the same, especially in the banking corporate area and if you deny that, you're a fucking liar because you have already said things to suggest exactly that.
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oh, that was something he said during the campain NOT!!! or are you changing the argument just because that's what you love to do? ::)
I said many of the things would have gone down the same, especially in the banking corporate area and if you deny that, you're a fucking liar because you have already said things to suggest exactly that.
Some things yes, MANY things no.
instead of an Alito and Roberts, we got Soto and Kagan.
Instead of a rational Health Care bill, we got MengeleCare
Instead of standing up for the nation abroad, we get bowing and daily apologies.
Instead of having retreads as advisors, we get 27 Communist Czars
Instead of trying terrorists at military tribunals, we get NYC to get this trash.
and on and on and on.
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Rove really blew it following this election. Obviously, he wasn’t pleased with the results, but he should have sucked it up and been gracious to the winner. His little temper tantrum showed us who he really is.
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Rove really blew it following this election. Obviously, he wasn’t pleased with the results, but he should have sucked it up and been gracious to the winner. His little temper tantrum showed us who he really is.
He is not allowed to have his own opinion on the matter? ???
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Some things yes, MANY things no.
instead of an Alito and Roberts, we got Soto and Kagan.
Instead of a rational Health Care bill, we got MengeleCare
Instead of standing up for the nation abroad, we get bowing and daily apologies.
Instead of having retreads as advisors, we get 27 Communist Czars
Instead of trying terrorists at military tribunals, we get NYC to get this trash.
and on and on and on.
now you're talking about the reality after the fact.... Did you forget you were calling me out for what I though during the election?
And you say some things would have been the same under mccain... let's not fuck around here, not just some things, some pretty major things would have been the same and you can't bullshit me on this... I've read your past posts bubba. You know the things that would have been the same are not exactly minor things. The biggest fuckup in government history is the bailout bullshit and we both know McCain would have appeased them the same. Even Bush was on board saying yes sir, what can we do for you sir...
It really isn't enough for you that I admit my vote for Obama was a mistake.... What else do you want from me? Some kind of promise to become a devoted tea party member?
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He is not allowed to have his own opinion on the matter? ???
He should have been honest and disclosed that he backed Castle originally, which he did.
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now you're talking about the reality after the fact.... Did you forget you were calling me out for what I though during the election?
And you say some things would have been the same under mccain... let's not fuck around here, not just some things, some pretty major things would have been the same and you can't bullshit me on this... I've read your past posts bubba. You know the things that would have been the same are not exactly minor things. The biggest fuckup in government history is the bailout bullshit and we both know McCain would have appeased them the same. Even Bush was on board saying yes sir, what can we do for you sir...
It really isn't enough for you that I admit my vote for Obama was a mistake.... What else do you want from me? Some kind of promise to become a devoted tea party member?
Yes, a ton of crap would have been the same or worse, like global warming nonsense, amnesty for illegals, expanded patriot act and the wars, etc. i agree 100% with that.
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yes you thickskull asshole, the stimules bill would have gone the same under McCain... I think even 3333 knows that.... And thus many of the same pressures applied by the bankers and corporations would have been the same as we're seeing under Obama.... You have a lot to learn but it's to late for you...
Im an asshole?McCain voted against the stimulus as EVERY other republican did as well.You dont have a clue of what your talking about.You ,as all other libs on here,confuse the stupid ass stimulus with the TARP program.Next time you want to call someone an asshole GET YOUR F'N facts straight you dumb ass guy.
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Bush gave us the SAME DAMN STIM BILL - He just broke it into 15 or 20 smaller "30 billion" and "100 billion" shots for individual industries. Obama did it all at once.
unless you complained when Bush gave out 3+ trillion to firms - socialism at its finest - ya can't complain now.
And mccain went along with all the bush bailouts, so its safe to say he'd be bailing out the same companies now as well.
No $787 bil stim bill. Yes a bunch of little stim bills adding up to $700 bil.
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Bush gave us the SAME DAMN STIM BILL - He just broke it into 15 or 20 smaller "30 billion" and "100 billion" shots for individual industries. Obama did it all at once.
unless you complained when Bush gave out 3+ trillion to firms - socialism at its finest - ya can't complain now.
And mccain went along with all the bush bailouts, so its safe to say he'd be bailing out the same companies now as well.
No $787 bil stim bill. Yes a bunch of little stim bills adding up to $700 bil.
obama is a kneegrow
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Bush gave us the SAME DAMN STIM BILL - He just broke it into 15 or 20 smaller "30 billion" and "100 billion" shots for individual industries. Obama did it all at once.
unless you complained when Bush gave out 3+ trillion to firms - socialism at its finest - ya can't complain now.
And mccain went along with all the bush bailouts, so its safe to say he'd be bailing out the same companies now as well.
No $787 bil stim bill. Yes a bunch of little stim bills adding up to $700 bil.
Again you have ZERO idea what your talking about.Bush bailed out companies.The stimulus bill is a democratic slush fund.It bailed out nothing but unions.Stop trying to justify this utter absolute failure of a bill that was supposed to be for shovel ready jobs and to keep unemployment under 8% and call it something its not.
By the way,can you tell me which of the Bush bailouts the all mighty Obama stood up and voted against?Can you name ONE SPENDING bill that Obama stood up and voted against while Bush was president?We know for a FACT that McCain voted against the stimulus.I will be waiting for the list of spending bills Bush signed that Obama voted against.
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Im an asshole?
Yes, a major league asshole... It's true, but I'm sure you're ok with that ;D
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Bush gave us the SAME DAMN STIM BILL - He just broke it into 15 or 20 smaller "30 billion" and "100 billion" shots for individual industries. Obama did it all at once.
unless you complained when Bush gave out 3+ trillion to firms - socialism at its finest - ya can't complain now.
And mccain went along with all the bush bailouts, so its safe to say he'd be bailing out the same companies now as well.
No $787 bil stim bill. Yes a bunch of little stim bills adding up to $700 bil.
TARP is not the same thing as the idiot Stim Bill paying for nutsack washing, pelosi's mice, acorn, etc.
BTW - i was against both and if you want to say both Bush and Obama are vile thieves, fine.
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Yes, a major league asshole... It's true, but I'm sure you're ok with that ;D
Poor simple minded lib.Caught making an ass of yourself and exposed as a dunce you resort to insults.Pretty typical.Alinski style debating.YOU=FAIL!
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Poor simple minded lib.Caught making an ass of yourself and exposed as a dunce you resort to insults.Pretty typical.Alinski style debating.YOU=FAIL!
LOLOLOLOL.... I resort to insults?? hahahaha.... As if 98% of your posts don't contain insults... Don't be a fucking hyprocrite....
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www.thehill.com
Reid: Coons, 'my pet,' will win
By J. Taylor Rushing - 09/15/10 03:55 PM ET
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Wednesday predicted to The Hill that Democratic Senate candidate Chris Coons will safely win the Nov. 2 general election against GOP nominee Christine O'Donnell.
Reid talked up the New Castle County executive following a memorial ceremony on the Capitol's east steps to commemorate the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. O'Donnell on Tuesday night won the GOP nomination to face Coons in November — a result that has split the national Republican Party.
But Reid said Coons would have won even if Rep. Mike Castle (R) had prevailed over O'Donnell.
"I'm going to be very honest with you — Chris Coons, everybody knows him in the Democratic caucus. He's my pet. He's my favorite candidate," Reid said.
"Let me tell you about him: A graduate of Yale Divinity School. Yale Law School. A two-time national debate champion. He represents two-thirds of the state now, in an elected capacity. I don't know if you've ever seen him or heard him speak, but he is a dynamic speaker. I don't mean loud or long; he's a communicator. So that's how I feel about Delaware. I've always thought Chris Coons is going to win. I told him that and I tried to get him to run. I'm glad he's running. I just think the world of him. He's my pet."
Asked if he believed the Tea Party movement was hurting the Republican Party, Reid simply said, "Republicans have to decide that."
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LOLOLOLOL.... I resort to insults?? hahahaha.... As if 98% of your posts don't contain insults... Don't be a fucking hyprocrite....
I unsult with facts mixed in.Once again I will ask you.Is the stimulus the same as TARP?Did McCain vote against the stimulus?Would McCain have proposed such a foolish statement as you said he would?The obvious answer is no.However,Im sure it will be another "you take steroids, your an asshole " reponse with no answer or admission that you were wrong.With McCAIN we wouldnt have had the stimulus,no health care reform,no dumb ass financial reform,no left wing racists on the supreme court.It would have been far different with McCAIN and UE wouldnt have been 9.6%.
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Yes, that I understand, I understand what they base it off of, it's how they base it off of it that is so ridiculous. There are literally thousands of letter and documents written by the founders that go into great detail over this matter. For crying out loud, for 150yrs congress opened each session with a prayer, issued an official congressional bible, based all their decisions off the convictions of their hearts.
Chaplain on the Congressional payroll forever, chaplains on the military payroll, churches on nearly every military base, etc., etc.
Many of the paranoid anti-religious extremists try and rewrite history to justify their absurd beliefs.
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Oh my goodness.
You think the world is about 5000 years old, don't you beach Bum?
All this time, I had no idea man.
Whatever you say Pinocchio. :)
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Bwhahahahaha!!!!! i bet he does....
You know what I find really comical, is real screwballs who try and call people like O'Donnell crazy for talking about sexual purity. The same people who believe the government faked the moon landing (240) and people who believe there are unnamed sinister forces secretly plotting the murder of most of the world's population (you). It's hilarious. ;D
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LOL! YOU WON'T ANSWER!!!!!!!!
I'm gonna be grinning for the rest of the day.
Whatever you say Pinocchio. :)
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LOL! YOU WON'T ANSWER!!!!!!!!
I'm gonna be grinning for the rest of the day.
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LMAO!!
It doesn't matter how wrong I am on any number of topics. It doesn't matter how stupid or misguided I am, or how many political issues I completely miss.
I don't believe people and dinosaurs were having picnics 5000 years ago, and you do.
;D
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LMAO!!
It doesn't matter how wrong I am on any number of topics. It doesn't matter how stupid or misguided I am, or how many political issues I completely miss.
I don't believe people and dinosaurs were having picnics 5000 years ago, and you do.
;D
lol :)
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lol :)
I love you man. I think we're gonna get along alright from now on. :D
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I love you man. I think we're gonna get along alright from now on. :D
I don't know you, but on this board you are a pathological liar. I'm sure you're on o.k. guy in real life. Even if you believe the government faked the moon landing. :)
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He also believes Obama is the messiah. ;D
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And that the US used holograms to fake the 9/11 attacks.
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And that the government conspired to carry out Columbine, the 93 World Trade Center attack, the Oklahoma City bombing, the anthrax attacks, etc., etc.
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hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa
;D
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Also, If Castle would have won there would have been a 100% chance we would get a leftist.
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I sent her $50. Anything I can do to send a rabid anti-obamanite to DC, I'll do it.
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I sent her $50. Anything I can do to send a rabid anti-obamanite to DC, I'll do it.
Her winning the nomination is an interesting situation.... do you prefer a major liar with minimal experience who MATCHES your beliefs - or a more qualified person who DOES NOT MATCH your beliefs?
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Her winning the nomination is an interesting situation.... do you prefer a major liar with minimal experience who MATCHES your beliefs - or a more qualified person who DOES NOT MATCH your beliefs?
I prefer someone who will have an A rating from the NRA, vote to repeal ZERO-Care, and vote against Cap & Trade.
I don't care about a more qualified person if that means he will vote like a RINO or big govt hack.
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I prefer someone who will have an A rating from the NRA, vote to repeal ZERO-Care, and vote against Cap & Trade.
I don't care about a more qualified person if that means he will vote like a RINO or big govt hack.
Exactly!!!
The whole "Qualified" argument is used and abused way too much. Of course we don't want someone who is totally inept...what we want is someone who will vote on the issues in a manner we as a people best see fit. We want someone who will uphold the will of the people, not someone who says "I'll think for you."
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Exactly!!!
The whole "Qualified" argument is used and abused way too much. Of course we don't want someone who is totally inept...what we want is someone who will vote on the issues in a manner we as a people best see fit. We want someone who will uphold the will of the people, not someone who says "I'll think for you."
Another thing, O'Donnell will not be running anything, she will be voting on issues and bills. Thus, I prefer her to Castle, regardless of his life in politics since she will be a far better choice on most issues most conservatives care about.
Again - Castle had an F rating from the NRA, and voted for Cap & Trade.
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Another thing, O'Donnell will not be running anything
she can start wars and spend trillions of our tax dollars, as Senator.
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she can start wars and spend trillions of our tax dollars, as Senator.
guess what 240 - Castle voted for all those crazy spending bills, so could she be any worse? No.
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guess what 240 - Castle voted for all those crazy spending bills, so could she be any worse? No.
well, a possibility is that this new generation of candidates, the "how could they do any worse" group, could lead to a complete shutdown of govt. Didn't that happen with the govt in 96?
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well, a possibility is that this new generation of candidates, the "how could they do any worse" group, could lead to a complete shutdown of govt. Didn't that happen with the govt in 96?
Great! I want the govt to shut down.
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Great! I want the govt to shut down.
Even at the STATE level, that will lead to a lot of deaths - seriously.
It is also unclear what a government shutdown would actually mean, Paterson said.
“No one knows what would happen, except that state workers couldn’t come to work and it would create unimaginable chaos around the state and the Metropolitan area,” he said on WCBS.
On WWRL AM 1600, Paterson outlined a scenario in which essential state workers wouldn’t be able to show up for work.
“I don’t think they’re aware of what would happen,” Paterson said of lawmakers who might vote no Monday. “You don’t have moeny to pay for emergency services, police, firefighters, so there’s a that is a completely chaotic situation. it’s like having a strike of every major public employee. I don’t think anyone wants to be in that situation.”
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Even at the STATE level, that will lead to a lot of deaths - seriously.
It is also unclear what a government shutdown would actually mean, Paterson said.
“No one knows what would happen, except that state workers couldn’t come to work and it would create unimaginable chaos around the state and the Metropolitan area,” he said on WCBS.
On WWRL AM 1600, Paterson outlined a scenario in which essential state workers wouldn’t be able to show up for work.
“I don’t think they’re aware of what would happen,” Paterson said of lawmakers who might vote no Monday. “You don’t have moeny to pay for emergency services, police, firefighters, so there’s a that is a completely chaotic situation. it’s like having a strike of every major public employee. I don’t think anyone wants to be in that situation.”
More scare tactics. I live in NYS and the govt is literally causing people to flee this state. They applaud when people like Rush and other wealthy people flee due to the insanity, and keep sticking us with the most insane taxes you can imagine.
Paladino's win the other day was a sign 240 and most people on the local radio, people I talk to, HHHHAAAATTTEEEE the govt with a firery passion.
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More scare tactics. I live in NYS and the govt is literally causing people to flee this state. They applaud when people like Rush and other wealthy people flee due to the insanity, and keep sticking us with the most insane taxes you can imagine.
Paladino's win the other day was a sign 240 and most people on the local radio, people I talk to, HHHHAAAATTTEEEE the govt with a firery passion.
33,
there is a govt shutdown. specifically what does that entail - effects for average americans. Please list what happens.
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33,
there is a govt shutdown. specifically what does that entail - effects for average americans. Please list what happens.
I have no idea and don't really care.
Patterson now has to lay off thousands and thousands of state workers because the greedy pigs in govt would not pay for any of their benes.
The state govt employee unions are a plague and they are DESTROYING THIS STATE.
If it were me, I would give them 72 hours to decide whether they want to contribute to their benes or get fired.
I would fire every teacher, every cop, every hack govt worked if they did not agree, and there would be hundreds of thousands lined up to take those jobs at 3/4 pay without pensions and 1/2 the medical.
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I have no idea and don't really care.
You don't know, and don't care?
You're not worried if police/fire stop working? You're not concerned with tens of millions of pissed off welfare recipients and retired war vets realizing there's no more checks coming from teh govt?
Listen, you might have a romantic view of this big chaos thing with the world ending, but I don't. Even if we can 'hold our own' against a mess of domestic drama, it wouldn't take long for one of these countries we owe $ to, to start grabbing up land.
I dont think any discussion here will be fruitful, dude. You admit YOU DO NOT KNOW what happens when govt shuts down, but you claim to know more than a US Governor about what will happen. Baffling.
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You don't know, and don't care?
You're not worried if police/fire stop working? You're not concerned with tens of millions of pissed off welfare recipients and retired war vets realizing there's no more checks coming from teh govt?
Listen, you might have a romantic view of this big chaos thing with the world ending, but I don't. Even if we can 'hold our own' against a mess of domestic drama, it wouldn't take long for one of these countries we owe $ to, to start grabbing up land.
I dont think any discussion here will be fruitful, dude. You admit YOU DO NOT KNOW what happens when govt shuts down, but you claim to know more than a US Governor about what will happen. Baffling.
240 - I know what is happening now and that is racing off the cliff to bankruptcy because the greedy thieves and pigs in govt refuse to deal with fiscal reality.
i was speaking with two other lawyers in night court last night, and both were telling me how they laid off all their staff and moving to PA or other states and refuse to be captive to this shit any more.
When the first checks don't arrive, tough, call up the head of the unions and tell his members to SSTTFFUU and accept reality.
240 - do you have any clue how bad it is here now? We have a mortgage tax. Yes, a mortgage tax. When you get a home loan in NYS, you pay 1.25, and in some cases far more, as a tax to the govt just to record the mortgage on the land records. I did a closing this week and the borrower took out a loan of 510k and had to pay well over 5k just as a mortgage recording t6ax. They also had to pay 5k in tax escrows as taxes are going up on RE.
240 - I really don't think you get who pissed off people are.
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I agree with you that ppl are pissed off. But THAT IS NOT THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING.
You said a US Governor is full of shit when it comes to a govt shutdown, when he said emergency services will be interrupted. Then you said, when asked what a govt shutdown entails:
I have no idea and don't really care.
I guess I"m just seeing a disconnect here...
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I agree with you that ppl are pissed off. But THAT IS NOT THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING.
You said a US Governor is full of shit when it comes to a govt shutdown, when he said emergency services will be interrupted. Then you said, when asked what a govt shutdown entails:
I guess I"m just seeing a disconnect here...
What will happen is that the public will go nuts and demand that these greedy pigs re-negotiate their contracts and the greedy pigs will be given a choice to accept it or decline it. If they don't they get fired and new people employed.
It could be eneded in a week.
sorry 240 - the public has asked nicely and these pigs have refused to acceed to the people who pay the bills.
Whats' next, Whats next, Whats' next!!!!!!
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The Buckley Rule
O’Donnell’s victory could hamper the GOP’s ability to stop the Obama agenda.
BY CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
Tuesday in Delaware was a bad day not only for Republicans but for conservatives. Tea partier Christine O’Donnell scored a stunning victory over establishment Republican Mike Castle. Stunning but pyrrhic. The very people who have most alerted the country to the perils of President Obama’s social-democratic agenda may have just made it impossible for Republicans to retake the Senate and definitively stop that agenda.
Bill Buckley — no Mike Castle he — had a rule: Support the most conservative candidate who is electable.
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A timeless rule of sober politics, and particularly timely now. This is no ordinary time. And this is no ordinary Democratic administration. It is highly ideological and ambitious. It is determined to use whatever historical window it is granted to change the country structurally, irreversibly. It may already have done so with Obamacare and it has equally lofty ambitions for energy, education, immigration, taxation, industrial policy, and the composition of the Supreme Court.
That’s what makes the 11th-hour endorsements of O’Donnell by Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) and Sarah Palin so reckless and irresponsible.
Of course Mike Castle is a liberal Republican. What do you expect from Delaware? A DeMint? Castle voted against Obamacare and the stimulus. Yes, he voted for cap-and-trade. That’s batting .667. You’d rather have a Democrat who bats .000 and who might give the Democrats the 50th vote to control the Senate?
Castle wasn’t only electable. He was unbeatable. Why do you think Beau Biden, long groomed to inherit his father’s seat, flinched from running? Because Castle, who had already won statewide races a dozen times, scared him off. Democrats had already given up on the race.
O’Donnell, a lifelong activist who has twice lost statewide races, is very problematic. It is not that the Republican establishment denigrates her chances — virtually every nonpartisan electoral analyst from Charlie Cook to Larry Sabato to Stuart Rothenberg has her losing in November.
Nor is opposition to O’Donnell’s candidacy a sign of hostility or disrespect to the tea party. Many of those who wanted to see Castle nominated in Delaware have from the beginning defended the tea-party movement from the mainstream media’s scurrilous portrayal of it as a racist rabble of resentful lumpenproletarians. Indeed, it is among the most vigorous and salutary grassroots movements of our time, dedicated to a genuine constitutionalism from which the country has strayed far.
And its complaint that it is often taken for granted by the Republican establishment (interestingly parallel to the often-heard African-American community’s complaint against the Democratic party) is not to be dismissed. Tea partiers should not, as many of them fear, simply be used by the Republican party as a source of electoral energy while their own candidates are ignored and dismissed. But the question is: Which of their candidates?
Marco Rubio in Florida is strong, serious, dynamic. He has a great future as a Republican leader. Joe Miller, who upset the Murkowski dynasty in Alaska, is a man of remarkable achievement: West Point graduate, decorated veteran, judge. Both will win.
Moreover, geography matters. Rand Paul may not be the best candidate in the world — it is not a very good idea to start your general-election campaign by expressing reservations about the Civil Rights Act — but he is running in Kentucky. He will almost certainly win.
Delaware is not Kentucky. If Republicans want to be a national party, they cannot write off the Northeast, whose Republicanism is of a distinctly moderate variety. Scott Brown broke Republican ranks to vote for Obama’s financial reform. Are conservatives now going to run him out of the Senate? Wasn’t it just eight months ago that his victory in Massachusetts was hailed as a turning point in the campaign to stop the Obama agenda?
You don’t stop that agenda by nominating an O’Donnell in Delaware and turning a Senate seat from safe Republican to safe Democratic.
If DeMint and Palin want to show that helping O’Donnell over the top — she won late and by six points — wasn’t a capricious spreading of fairy dust, perhaps they should go to Delaware now and get her elected to the Senate.
You made it possible. Now make it happen. I would be happy to be proved wrong about O’Donnell’s electability — I want Republicans to win that 51st seat. Stay in Delaware and show us you were right. The beaches are said to be lovely in the fall.
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MM2K - I am not with you on this.
O'Donnell can and will win, as will Angle, Rubio, Carly, et al.
The GOP base is FINALLY standing up to the RINO trash that destroyed the party.
Castle was the worst of the worst, F rating from the NRA, voted for Cap & Trade, voted against the surge, voted for TARP and the bailouts, etc etc.
Sorry, he is and was always a complete disaster not worthy of being a GOP Senator. He would be a Jim Jeffords and work all the time to undermine the party.
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Delaware: Can Coons Hold Off the O'Donnell Juggernaut?
By Michael Crowley / Washington Friday, Sep. 17, 2010
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Thanks to Christine O'Donnell and the Tea Party, a lot of Democrats are confident Joe Biden's former Delaware Senate seat is now in the bag. But their celebration may be premature. O'Donnell has already raised more than $1 million since her primary win, and while a competitive race is likely to cost several million dollars, she might not have much trouble, given the national support she'll be getting from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin.
Chuckling Democrats would be wise to remember a woman named Martha Coakley was once considered a shoo-in in another reliably Democratic state, Massachusetts, only to become the first major political scalp of Tea Party politics. But Coakley turned out to be a lousy candidate and Scott Brown caught the world unawares.
(See portraits of the Tea Party movement.)
Things will be different this time. While some senior Republicans, including Karl Rove, seem convinced that O'Donnell can't win, not all Democrats (including Biden himself) agree. One party strategist with extensive Senate campaign experience told me after her win that he thinks O'Donnell's star power with the far right might enable her to raise money and generate enough enthusiasm to pull off an upset.
One reason this strategist said he's not more worried, however, is that he believes O'Donnell's (nationally) unknown Democratic opponent, Chris Coons, is no Martha Coakley. "He's very talented," said my source. And he's not the only one to feel that way. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid has already raved about Coons — perhaps to comedic excess — as "my pet ... my favorite candidate."
(Watch TIME's video "Meet the Tea Party.")
Coons' résumé may not sport anything as colorful as O'Donnell's abstinence and antimasturbation crusading. But he did campaign for Ronald Reagan as a teenager before labeling himself, in a much-quoted-on-the-right college essay, a "bearded Marxist." Now 47, Coons has served in county government for the past decade, with the last six years as executive of New Castle County — one of Delaware's three counties and home to about 500,000 of the state's roughly 900,000 residents. His pedigree may be easy for a Tea Partyer to sneer at — undergrad at Amherst, law and divinity school at Yale — but in a relatively prosperous Northeastern state like Delaware (where the unemployment rate is high, but lower than the national average), it may be an asset. (And remember: at least two other Tea Party darlings, Joe Miller in Alaska and Ken Buck in Colorado, also have Ivy League degrees.)
Unlike some other Democrats recently running from it, Coons openly supports a cap-and-trade plan to combat global warming; sounds fairly conventional on education reform; and describes himself as a "Truman Democrat," which has a slightly hawkish ring but could actually mean almost anything short of Kucinich-ism. (It's hard to find anything Coons has to say about Afghanistan beyond some milquetoasty criticism of Stanley McChrystal's infamous comments to Rolling Stone.) On MSNBC's Hardball Wednesday, Coons said he would have voted for both the health care bill and financial regulatory reform. He has also made an interesting proposal for a lifetime ban on Senate lobbying by former Senators, something unlikely to endear him to his potential new colleagues.
(See "Republican Surprise: 10 More Scott Browns.")
The big picture, however, is that this campaign will unfold in a state that went 62-37 for Obama in 2008, thanks in part to the place of local hero Joe Biden on the ticket. Biden already has plans to campaign and raise money for Coons. And polling shows Coons now with a double-digit lead. So Coons could probably get away with being just an ordinary candidate. Especially if the bet reflected by the unusual photo of his opponent on his campaign home page is the right one: just keep people talking about Christine O'Donnell.
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All she needs to do is keep running his self admitted marxist status, vote for cap & trade, obamacare, etc etc.
BTW - she is already at almost 1.5 Million.
www.christine2010.com
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MM2K - I am not with you on this.
O'Donnell can and will win, as will Angle, Rubio, Carly, et al.
The GOP base is FINALLY standing up to the RINO trash that destroyed the party.
Castle was the worst of the worst, F rating from the NRA, voted for Cap & Trade, voted against the surge, voted for TARP and the bailouts, etc etc.
Sorry, he is and was always a complete disaster not worthy of being a GOP Senator. He would be a Jim Jeffords and work all the time to undermine the party.
I still think you are understimating the power of the 51st Senator. Controlling committes gives the GOP great power in keeping Obama's agenda locked up in committe proceedings. I would also add to the Krauthammer article that Chris Christy is a RINO. I know we all love him for his attitude and his hard stance against spending, but we have lost sight of that fact that he is a moderate. Should we run him out of the New Jersey governor's mansion?
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I still think you are understimating the power of the 51st Senator. Controlling committes gives the GOP great power in keeping Obama's agenda locked up in committe proceedings. I would also add to the Krauthammer article that Chris Christy is a RINO. I know we all love him for his attitude and his hard stance against spending, but we have lost sight of that fact that he is a moderate. Should we run him out of the New Jersey governor's mansion?
No, but being a Governor is not the same as being a Senator. On votes like Cap & Tax, guns, repealing obamaCare, etc, Castle is worse or as bad as a Dem.
For me, its no longer about party over all else. We tried that once and it was a disaster.
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Look, the people of Delaware voted in a Primary, for who they wanted to represent them in the General Election, and She won. Its now time for all of you that are unhappy about this to stop your with your pouting, and move along to the General as well.
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Look, the people of Delaware voted in a Primary, for who they wanted to represent in the General Election, and She won. Its now time for all of you that are unhappy about this to stop your with your pouting, and move along to the General as well.
No freaking kidding. The base has shown up for RINO after RINO after pathetic impish, hack RINO and now the milquetoast establishment is screaming like Bitches when we ask for the favor in return.
the more RINO filfth we can retire for good the better, even if it means losing a seat here or there.
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well, a possibility is that this new generation of candidates, the "how could they do any worse" group, could lead to a complete shutdown of govt. Didn't that happen with the govt in 96?
What a dream scenario. Maybe people would realize that big government is not necessary, and is actually and impediment to progress (although sensible people already realize this).
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Look, the people of Delaware voted in a Primary, for who they wanted to represent in the General Election, and She won. Its now time for all of you that are unhappy about this to stop your with your pouting, and move along to the General as well.
Hey I agree. People need to get behind Christine Odonell and I find it very troubling that Mike Castle will not endorse her. But Karl Rove is behind her and the RNC is behind her. I just find it unfortunate that Christine Odonnell supporters are making this out to be a Republican establishment thing and throwing around the RINO label. Its not about that. As Krauthammer points out, most Castle supporters also supported Rubio and Miller. Should I expect to be called a RINO or establishment Republican because I dont support a convservative candidate that happens to be a KKK member? Now ofcourse Odonnell isnt a KKK member, but Im just trying to get the point across that ideology isnt everything.
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Hey I agree. People need to get behind Christine Odonell and I find it very troubling that Mike Castle will not endorse her. But Karl Rove is behind her and the RNC is behind her. I just find it unfortunate that Christine Odonnell supporters are making this out to be a Republican establishment thing and throwing around the RINO label. Its not about that. As Krauthammer points out, most Castle supporters also supported Rubio and Miller. Should I expect to be called a RINO or establishment Republican because I dont support a convservative candidate that happens to be a KKK member? Now ofcourse Odonnell isnt a KKK member, but Im just trying to get the point across that ideology isnt everything.
And neither is winning at all cost when winning means getting Jim Jeffords, a vote for Cap & tax, a vote to keep obamacare, a vote against the surge, a vote for crazy spending, etc etc.
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Hey I agree. People need to get behind Christine Odonell and I find it very troubling that Mike Castle will not endorse her. But Karl Rove is behind her and the RNC is behind her. I just find it unfortunate that Christine Odonnell supporters are making this out to be a Republican establishment thing and throwing around the RINO label. Its not about that. As Krauthammer points out, most Castle supporters also supported Rubio and Miller. Should I expect to be called a RINO or establishment Republican because I dont support a convservative candidate that happens to be a KKK member? Now ofcourse Odonnell isnt a KKK member, but Im just trying to get the point across that ideology isnt everything.
Support her ? did you see Rove on TV the next night (on Greta) still bashing her? did you see the ads Mike Castle ran in the newspaper the next day bashing her ? Did you see that Mike Castle called and talked with Obama and Biden on the phone the very next day, yet he never called to congratulate O’Donnell ? Dont be surprised when Mike Castle endorses the democrat off the secret advice from Rove and Cornyn.
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Support her ? did you see Rove on TV the next night (on Greta) still bashing her? did you see the ads Mike Castle ran in the newspaper the next day bashing her ? Did you see that Mike Castle called and talked with Obama and Biden on the phone the very next day, yet he never called to congratulate O’Donnell ? Dont be surprised when Mike Castle endorses the democrat off the secret advice from Rove and Cornyn.
Yup - because this is what RINO scum do.
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With all due respect MM2K, get your head out of your ass.
Rove, Cornyn, and the RNC were forced into supporting her, after the backlash they received. And while at the same time saying they now support her, we all know what they are really doing behind closed doors.
Let's not forget that Rove was the one who let it be known that any Republican that did not vote yes with Bush on the Amnesty Bill, would net get any $upport from the RNC. This guy is a jack ass.
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I love the tizzy this incredibly stupid woman has caused within the Republican party. Its the best thing to ever happen not only for comedic value, but it is causing the Republican party to devour itself.
I say keep the loonies like O'Donnell at the forefront. Pretty soon, the whole thing will appear like a bad soap opera/reality show. ;D
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I love the tizzy this incredibly stupid woman has caused within the Republican party. Its the best thing to ever happen not only for comedic value, but it is causing the Republican party to devour itself.
I say keep the loonies like O'Donnell at the forefront. Pretty soon, the whole thing will appear like a bad soap opera/reality show. ;D
guess what TA, you will be even more a Tizzy on November 4, 2010 when the entire Dem party is utterly destroyed and brought to its knees and she wins as people are sick of paying $800,000 for africans to learn how to clean their nuts.
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guess what TA, you will be even more a Tizzy on November 4, 2010 when the entire Dem party is utterly destroyed and brought to its knees and she wins as people are sick of paying $800,000 for africans to learn how to clean their nuts.
I like the Libertarian Party, Socialist Party and the Green Party more so then the Democratic Party. There are a few good Democrats around, but the number is not overly large.
I think Ralph Nader,Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders or someone like Anthony Wiener is the current ideal.
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Rove knows a LOT more about ODonnel (and every other candidate) than we do.
Chances are, whatever skeletons she has - he already knows it. It's been 2 days that the 'haters' of america have vetted her. She was doing anything to become a star back then - i'm betting more video emerges, etc.
Rove is a smart dude, he knows where all the bodies are buried. In a week or three when the other shoe drops, i bet rove isn't surprised. Still, OD could win the state.
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I like the Libertarian Party, Socialist Party and the Green Party more so then the Democratic Party. There are a few good Democrats around, but the number is not overly large.
I think Ralph Nader,Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders or someone like Anthony Wiener is the current ideal.
And you call Christians and Muslims looney? You are the epitome of stupidity.
Kucinich,Weiner...? HAHHAHA. You must be joking. Right?
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And you call Christians and Muslims looney? You are the epitome of stupidity.
Kucinich,Weiner...? HAHHAHA. You must be joking. Right?
Why would I be joking and what is wrong with Kucinich or Wiener. Anything specific about either that bothers you?
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Why would I be joking and what is wrong with Kucinich or Wiener. Anything specific about either that bothers you?
Kucinich lost all credibility when folded like a bitch on obamaCare.
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Why would I be joking and what is wrong with Kucinich or Wiener. Anything specific about either that bothers you?
Oh crap!!! You were not joking?
Never mind. I try to avoid lunatics and nutjobs at all costs.
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Oh crap!!! You were not joking?
Never mind. I try to avoid lunatics and nutjobs at all costs.
Ok, Dario73, you do that. ;)
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She is almost at 1.7 million already.
this is going to be another HHHUUGGEE backfire on the RINO's and libtards.
http://www.christine2010.com/
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She is almost at 1.7 million already.
this is going to be another HHHUUGGEE backfire on the RINO's and libtards.
http://www.christine2010.com/
bye bye Carl Rove