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I want so bad to jump on board with a new movement to do away with the bullshit we've had to deal with but I don't see it there. And I think both left and right on some level can agree with that. We're both unhappy with what's going on and both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.
Lets look back: A lot of people here supported Ron Paul, and yes even several on the left. Paul kept it simple and to the point. He said things that were so common sense, it's almost impossible to argue against and we were all behind that here. I held a poll here during the election and overwhelmingly, almost everyone supported Ron Paul except for neocons like BB and they were the minority. That didn't happen without support from the left too. Ron Paul was able to deliver a conservative and responsible message that didn't entirely turn off the left.
Now look where we are today. back divided bigtime and it looks like it's only going to get worse. We've come a long way from what Ron Paul started! And were has it gone? Into the hands of Fox News and Glenn Beck and bringing forth candidates that only the far right would like. Such as O'Donnell....
What is the goal here? Just replace the leftwing psychos with rightwing psychos and then watch the pattern repeat? Come on, there is something bigger we can do than this fucking bullshit. We do not have to keep playing this fucking game and it is a game.... played on us all... And yes, I expect no replies to no worry ;D
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Right now at this very point, you have 2 boards, the Washington Establishment, or the anti-establishment (the tea party) Just look at Ron Paul's son Rand Paul for example. during the primary you had the RNC attacking him, and now the DNC attacking him, he is as anti-establishment as his Father is. If the Tea party can be successful in November, I think it will flower into many more groups, and in this you will see the Washington establishment start to slowly shrink in power, that is why you see even Carl Rove going after O'Donnell, as she is not part of the Washington Establishment either. They are afraid of losing their power.
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I want so bad to jump on board with a new movement to do away with the bullshit we've had to deal with but I don't see it there. And I think both left and right on some level can agree with that. We're both unhappy with what's going on and both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.
Lets look back: A lot of people here supported Ron Paul, and yes even several on the left. Paul kept it simple and to the point. He said things that were so common sense, it's almost impossible to argue against and we were all behind that here. I held a poll here during the election and overwhelmingly, almost everyone supported Ron Paul except for neocons like BB and they were the minority. That didn't happen without support from the left too. Ron Paul was able to deliver a conservative and responsible message that didn't entirely turn off the left.
Now look where we are today. back divided bigtime and it looks like it's only going to get worse. We've come a long way from what Ron Paul started! And were has it gone? Into the hands of Fox News and Glenn Beck and bringing forth candidates that only the far right would like. Such as O'Donnell....
What is the goal here? Just replace the leftwing psychos with rightwing psychos and then watch the pattern repeat? Come on, there is something bigger we can do than this fucking bullshit. We do not have to keep playing this fucking game and it is a game.... played on us all... And yes, I expect no replies to no worry ;D
forst of all good luck getting the left on this board to admit that obama sucks...
second of all if you remember obama ran on a platform of bringing ppl together and governing from the middle as well, even though many on here exposed him for the far left loon that he is it was dismissed by you and others as being along time ago etc..etc...
I agree that odonnel is a nut but are you going to admit the same the next time another obama comes around is the question?
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I want so bad to jump on board with a new movement to do away with the bullshit we've had to deal with but I don't see it there. And I think both left and right on some level can agree with that. We're both unhappy with what's going on and both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.
Lets look back: A lot of people here supported Ron Paul, and yes even several on the left. Paul kept it simple and to the point. He said things that were so common sense, it's almost impossible to argue against and we were all behind that here. I held a poll here during the election and overwhelmingly, almost everyone supported Ron Paul except for neocons like BB and they were the minority. That didn't happen without support from the left too. Ron Paul was able to deliver a conservative and responsible message that didn't entirely turn off the left.
Now look where we are today. back divided bigtime and it looks like it's only going to get worse. We've come a long way from what Ron Paul started! And were has it gone? Into the hands of Fox News and Glenn Beck and bringing forth candidates that only the far right would like. Such as O'Donnell....
What is the goal here? Just replace the leftwing psychos with rightwing psychos and then watch the pattern repeat? Come on, there is something bigger we can do than this fucking bullshit. We do not have to keep playing this fucking game and it is a game.... played on us all... And yes, I expect no replies to no worry ;D
Fuck off...KILL YOURSELF. :)
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Right now at this very point, you have 2 boards, the Washington Establishment, or the anti-establishment (the tea party) Just look at Ron Paul's son Rand Paul for example. during the primary you had the RNC attacking him, and now the DNC attacking him, he is as anti-establishment as his Father is. If the Tea party can be successful in November, I think it will flower into many more groups, and in this you will see the Washington establishment start to slowly shrink in power, that is why you see even Carl Rove going after O'Donnell, as she is not part of the Washington Establishment either. They are afraid of losing their power.
I can't get behind people like O'donnell... Rand Paul is ok imo... not as good as Ron but that's ok. People like O'donnell and Palin, that can not be what the original people following Ron Paul had in mind. these are far right ditzy candidates that scare the shit out of the left and me. You guys want to get more people up there talking like Ron Paul and dump the Glenn Beck leadership bullshit and you will see a real revolution of the people.
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Fuck off...KILL YOURSELF. :)
Just what I expected from the extreme left. I've heard this shit from you assclowns forever. predictable as the far right.
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I want so bad to jump on board with a new movement to do away with the bullshit we've had to deal with but I don't see it there. And I think both left and right on some level can agree with that. We're both unhappy with what's going on and both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.
Lets look back: A lot of people here supported Ron Paul, and yes even several on the left. Paul kept it simple and to the point. He said things that were so common sense, it's almost impossible to argue against and we were all behind that here. I held a poll here during the election and overwhelmingly, almost everyone supported Ron Paul except for neocons like BB and they were the minority. That didn't happen without support from the left too. Ron Paul was able to deliver a conservative and responsible message that didn't entirely turn off the left.
Now look where we are today. back divided bigtime and it looks like it's only going to get worse. We've come a long way from what Ron Paul started! And were has it gone? Into the hands of Fox News and Glenn Beck and bringing forth candidates that only the far right would like. Such as O'Donnell....
What is the goal here? Just replace the leftwing psychos with rightwing psychos and then watch the pattern repeat? Come on, there is something bigger we can do than this fucking bullshit. We do not have to keep playing this fucking game and it is a game.... played on us all... And yes, I expect no replies to no worry ;D
Message. Money. Infrastructure. Unless another movement can put all three together, I don't see it happening, IMO. The tea party has made a lot of progress with all 3, but they still have a lot of problems, lots of criticisms, and questionable infrastructure.
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Message. Money. Infrastructure. Unless another movement can put all three together, I don't see it happening, IMO. The tea party has made a lot of progress with all 3, but they still have a lot of problems, lots of criticisms, and questionable infrastructure.
Ive never really thought about this much but youre right this is an extremely important part of each political party and something start up independent groups dont have
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I can't get behind people like O'donnell... Rand Paul is ok imo... not as good as Ron but that's ok. People like O'donnell and Palin, that can not be what the original people following Ron Paul had in mind. these are far right ditzy candidates that scare the shit out of the left and me. You guys want to get more people up there talking like Ron Paul and dump the Glenn Beck leadership bullshit and you will see a real revolution of the people.
Hugo - this is apeoples' movement, not a slick professional politician movement that gave us the likes of Obama, Bush, etc.
Are some of these people wacky? Yes! But I really dont think they can be any worse than we have now and I for one am thrilled that they will get a shot.
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Message. Money. Infrastructure. Unless another movement can put all three together, I don't see it happening, IMO. The tea party has made a lot of progress with all 3, but they still have a lot of problems, lots of criticisms, and questionable infrastructure.
Skip, this movement is less than 2 years old and just getting rolling! The two party cartel has had a well oiled machine going for over two hundred years.
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Fuck off...KILL YOURSELF. :)
Screw off jack ass. Hugo is being honest here and we are having a discussion. Go away.
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forst of all good luck getting the left on this board to admit that obama sucks...
second of all if you remember obama ran on a platform of bringing ppl together and governing from the middle as well, even though many on here exposed him for the far left loon that he is it was dismissed by you and others as being along time ago etc..etc...
I agree that odonnel is a nut but are you going to admit the same the next time another obama comes around is the question?
I have to school you a bit. The left was calling out Obama as soon as the right was if not more so. You can't just go by the clips of Olbermann or madcow to know what's going on from the left.
As far as the left on this board, there really isn't much of a left on this board left! Take a look through the last 10 or so pages and you'll see... There are only a few left. And even though there are only a few leftwingers here still I get calls to have those last few banned. LOL, this makes me wonder, does the right posting here really just want this forum to be a rightwing circlejerk? Who are you guys going to be arguing against when it's all rightwing opinions... Sounds like a circlejerk to me lol....
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Screw off jack ass. Hugo is being honest here and we are having a discussion. Go away.
thank you 33333, and that's what I would love to see more of here. people dropping the bullshit and opening up for honest discussion.
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I have to school you a bit. The left was calling out Obama as soon as the right was if not more so. You can't just go by the clips of Olbermann or madcow to know what's going on from the left.
As far as the left on this board, there really isn't much of a left on this board left! Take a look through the last 10 or so pages and you'll see... There are only a few left. And even though there are only a few leftwingers here still I get calls to have those last few banned. LOL, this makes me wonder, does the right posting here really just want this forum to be a rightwing circlejerk? Who are you guys going to be arguing against when it's all rightwing opinions... Sounds like a circlejerk to me lol....
Its not a circle jerk. Hugo, you have been one of the very few honest people here.
This tea party thing is a response to the craziness from both parties. The Tea Party is taking on the RINO establishment and I would think even lefties should admire that and at least try to take on the hacks in their own party. I don't see that at all but on the margins.
I would prefer more lib posters here, but who can possibly defend this admn and congress? Blaming bush/ blah blah blah.
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thank you 33333, and that's what I would love to see more of here. people dropping the bullshit and opening up for honest discussion.
Honest discussion?
Reality is the government in place will not allow itself to be changed how the people want to change it.
Civil War will be the only thing to allow a new government to be set in place.
In my opinion.
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I have to school you a bit. The left was calling out Obama as soon as the right was if not more so. You can't just go by the clips of Olbermann or madcow to know what's going on from the left.
As far as the left on this board, there really isn't much of a left on this board left! Take a look through the last 10 or so pages and you'll see... There are only a few left. And even though there are only a few leftwingers here still I get calls to have those last few banned. LOL, this makes me wonder, does the right posting here really just want this forum to be a rightwing circlejerk? Who are you guys going to be arguing against when it's all rightwing opinions... Sounds like a circlejerk to me lol....
hahahaha well ive never asked for any of the guys posting now to be banned but some of them need to be or at least needed to be put in time out a while ago...mons, tito/chompsky/whatever his other gimmicks were...
no I disagree that the left was calling him out, they did when he got in office but not during the election. They were zombies for obama just like alot of the left on this board. You wonder why there arent any leftys on this board when there were alot during the election? I cant say for certainty but one thing I would think is that obama is doing a shit job with horrible policies and they dont want to face the music.
the only person other than you and bf that were for obama before the election that ive seen criticize him is straw man...and that is b/c he thinks he isnt far left enough...is that the kind of criticism you are talking about from the rest of the left?
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Honest discussion?
Reality is the government in place will not allow itself to be changed how the people want to change it.
Civil War will be the only thing to allow a new government to be set in place.
In my opinion.
Well, at least middle america, the rabble, and the rest of os working slobs are at least first trying something, before resorting to that.
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I can't get behind people like O'donnell... Rand Paul is ok imo... not as good as Ron but that's ok. People like O'donnell and Palin, that can not be what the original people following Ron Paul had in mind. these are far right ditzy candidates that scare the shit out of the left and me. You guys want to get more people up there talking like Ron Paul and dump the Glenn Beck leadership bullshit and you will see a real revolution of the people.
You don't have to support her, just support the tea party movement, they are taking on the Washington Establishment, and that in itself is a good thing. Wouldn't you like to see people like Carl Rove made a fool of ? This will be the care if O'Donnell wins, and as I wrote earlier, if the tea party is successful in November, you will then begin to see more groups taking on the Washington Establishment.
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Message. Money. Infrastructure. Unless another movement can put all three together, I don't see it happening, IMO. The tea party has made a lot of progress with all 3, but they still have a lot of problems, lots of criticisms, and questionable infrastructure.
both you and tony are talking about the tea party like they are an actual differnet party. They're not... They're running as repbulicans. I'm sure you both know that so I don't know why you make it sound like they're something other than that. My big problem is that the movement started out under Ron Paul being something that people from all sides could join into and then it quickly somehow shifted to being led by goons like Glenn Beck and Fox News and candidates with masterbation campaigns lol... It went far right asap and don't think for a second that there wasn't someone out ther working to make that happen bigtime. In the end the people lose out over that kind of manipulation.
So again, I want on board, but I'm not a fucking moron... It needs redirected toward what it should be.
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both you and tony are talking about the tea party like they are an actual differnet party. They're not... They're running as repbulicans. I'm sure you both know that so I don't know why you make it sound like they're something other than that. My big problem is that the movement started out under Ron Paul being something that people from all sides could join into and then it quickly somehow shifted to being led by goons like Glenn Beck and Fox News and candidates with masterbation campaigns lol... It went far right asap and don't think for a second that there wasn't someone out ther working to make that happen bigtime. In the end the people lose out over that kind of manipulation.
So again, I want on board, but I'm not a fucking moron... It needs redirected toward what it should be.
I think the reason that is because right now the main enemies are percieved as Obama/Reid/Peolisi and the only real way to stop those crazies is by getting elected unde rthe GOP banner.
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Also Hugo - most in the Tea Party movement just want to be left the hell alone. They dont cap & Trade, massive taxes, nanny state crappola, atacks on our heritage, etc etc.
Right now those assaults seem to be mainly coming from the left.
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I think the reason that is because right now the main enemies are percieved as Obama/Reid/Peolisi and the only real way to stop those crazies is by getting elected unde rthe GOP banner.
yea, puke, I'm staying out of this next election for the first time in my life. If the kind of people you guys are getting are extreme right on the tea party, thanks but no fucking thanks. I just won't vote I guess...
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Also Hugo - most in the Tea Party movement just want to be left the hell alone. They dont cap & Trade, massive taxes, nanny state crappola, atacks on our heritage, etc etc.
Right now those assaults seem to be mainly coming from the left.
no, obviously you're getting people that have moral issues with how other people live. I have a problem with that.
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I can't get behind people like O'donnell... Rand Paul is ok imo... not as good as Ron but that's ok. People like O'donnell and Palin, that can not be what the original people following Ron Paul had in mind. these are far right ditzy candidates that scare the shit out of the left and me. You guys want to get more people up there talking like Ron Paul and dump the Glenn Beck leadership bullshit and you will see a real revolution of the people.
I agree. Beck is only playing on people's fear unlike Ron Paul who actually has something to offer and I'm sure would offer clear details about how to move forward. O'Donnell and Palin are a complete joke.
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I agree. Beck is only playing on people's fear unlike Ron Paul who actually has something to offer and I'm sure would offer clear details about how to move forward. O'Donnell and Palin are a complete joke.
Rand Paul is getting elected, Rubio, etc etc. Its a start.
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I agree. Beck is only playing on people's fear unlike Ron Paul who actually has something to offer and I'm sure would offer clear details about how to move forward. O'Donnell and Palin are a complete joke.
Of course you agree, you love Obama, you probably have already donated to his 2012 campaign.
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both you and tony are talking about the tea party like they are an actual differnet party. They're not... They're running as repbulicans. I'm sure you both know that so I don't know why you make it sound like they're something other than that. My big problem is that the movement started out under Ron Paul being something that people from all sides could join into and then it quickly somehow shifted to being led by goons like Glenn Beck and Fox News and candidates with masterbation campaigns lol... It went far right asap and don't think for a second that there wasn't someone out ther working to make that happen bigtime. In the end the people lose out over that kind of manipulation.
So again, I want on board, but I'm not a fucking moron... It needs redirected toward what it should be.
LOL i think that they are lumped into the reps b/c one its easier for the left to do that as a way of condemning and demeaning the movement(dont act like this doesnt happen) and 2 b/c like skip said money, infrastructure etc...the tea party movement wouldnt be as wide spread as it is now if not for beck etc...for better or worse and yes when you take on someone like that or his ilk you accept a certain degree of loss of control.
LOL i find it funny b/c of all my friends who do follow politics somewhat not as closely as I have but i have one who the best way to describe this guy would be he loves hannity goes to hannity's shows when he is in town etc...
he started jumping on the tea party band wagon one day and I asked him "i thought you didnt like ron paul?" as we had talked about him before and he seemed detested by him...his response was along the lines of what does ron paul have to do with the tea party I explained how this has been ron pauls message for years now, he said ya something about ya but i really like the entire tea party message to which i asked what other than reducing govt spending and taxes is the tea party message...he conceded they didnt have a message outside of less govt involvement...another ron paul tenent ;D
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Of course you agree, you love Obama, you probably have already donated to his 2012 campaign.
you really fault him for what he just said? Really? What is this? Push the first leftly to walk along over the cliff game day?
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you really fault him for what he just said? Really? What is this? Push the first leftly to walk along over the cliff game day?
Unlike you, who I find sincere and honest, Danny still strongly supports Obama, and is not at all interested in anything that might go against Obama.
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Unlike you, who I find sincere and honest, Danny still strongly supports Obama, and is not at all interested in anything that might go against Obama.
yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone. You never know when we're going to find common ground. I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking. There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now. Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.
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yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone. You never know when we're going to find common ground. I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking. There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now. Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.
Come on Hugo, Danny supports Obama in every post, and he is not looking for a "new board to jump on", not what so ever, as he is 100% happy with being on the Obama board.
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yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone. You never know when we're going to find common ground. I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking. There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now. Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.
huggy the whole premise of you stance is that
both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.
problem is that again most lefties wouldnt agree with this yet...they will just point the finger at bush and the reps
find lefties on this board who criticize obama for being to far left and his horrible policies instead of not being far enough left like many on this board do...
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Of course you agree, you love Obama, you probably have already donated to his 2012 campaign.
read my post and try to understand what I agree with. it's highlighted in red... ;)
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read my post and try to understand what I agree with. it's highlighted in red... ;)
Exactly, that is my point. You strongly support Obama, and it is obvious to me (by all your pro-Obama post on here) that you would not be for any candidate that goes against Obama, and you are not all looking for any new board to jump on,
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Come on Hugo, Danny supports Obama in every post, and he is not looking for a "new board to jump on", not what so ever, as he is 100% happy with being on the Obama board.
I don't think you understood what I was saying.
So what if he supports Obama? We really need to get over this petty bullshit and meet on common ground. I know it's shocking to believe but yes, there actually is common ground. It's a small portion of the population that's on the extreme left and right. The majority are forced left and right by the loud mouth fuckers on the extremes. when someone comes along with something that has room for talk, don't start out with an attack, go ahead and talk with them. There's nothing wrong with doing that but to draw the line in the sand and just say "YOU SHALL NOT PASSSSSS!!!" only means to me that you're one of the extremes fucking over the country. Now I'm not saying that's what you are but hope you see what I mean.
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I don't think you understood what I was saying.
So what if he supports Obama? We really need to get over this petty bullshit and meet on common ground. I know it's shocking to believe but yes, there actually is common ground. It's a small portion of the population that's on the extreme left and right. The majority are forced left and right by the loud mouth fuckers on the extremes. when someone comes along with something that has room for talk, don't start out with an attack, go ahead and talk with them. There's nothing wrong with doing that but to draw the line in the sand and just say "YOU SHALL NOT PASSSSSS!!!" only means to me that you're one of the extremes fucking over the country. Now I'm not saying that's what you are but hope you see what I mean.
Once again, if you read all of his post, it is quite obvious that Danny is not all interested in jumping off the Obama bandwagon. not the least bit.
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huggy the whole premise of you stance is thatproblem is that again most lefties wouldnt agree with this yet...they will just point the finger at bush and the reps
find lefties on this board who criticize obama for being to far left and his horrible policies instead of not being far enough left like many on this board do...
not remotely close to my "whole premise" Are you serious? :-\
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Once again, if you read all of his post, it is quite obovuous that Danny is not all interested jumping of the Obama bandwagon. not the least bit.
This is a waste of time.
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not remotely close to my "whole premise" Are you serious? :-\
this is the premise its not the point the premise preludes the point of your stance...
and yes this is the premise to your point
both the left and right have had major and repeated disappointments from the people they've elected.
the point is that we can find common ground but the problem is the premise is in general false
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Once again, if you read all of his post, it is quite obovuous that Danny is not all interested jumping of the Obama bandwagon. not the least bit.
here's the post you replied to:
I agree. Beck is only playing on people's fear unlike Ron Paul who actually has something to offer and I'm sure would offer clear details about how to move forward. O'Donnell and Palin are a complete joke.
I agree with this.
And I will again say I don't think you should have an absolute wall blocking someone who supports Obama. At least be willing to talk with them. You were willing to talk with me and I respected that allot and as such we can talk more honestly and openly about things. We built a bridge and that goes a long way and it doesn't take much to do that again and again. The only people that don't want us doing shit like that are the elite scum fucking everything up for us all....
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this is what im talking about hugo
I don't own a crystal ball, Tony McNuts. Unlike PEA BRAIN I can't foresee the future with 100% accuracy. ::) No doubt, every assessment you have made about the future on this board has come to pass, right Tony? ::)
I am satisfied with the Obama administration and I believe he is doing a great job. The economy has not come roaring back as robustly as I would like, however, it is on the right track. For that reason I have no reason to backtrack, sidestep, or bullshit my way out of my previous statements.
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this is the premise its not the point the premise preludes the point of your stance...
and yes this is the premise to your point
the point is that we can find common ground but if the problem is the premise is in general false
you know when three's a crowd?... yea.. that would be now ;)
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http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/against-psychological-warfare-dunne-bezmenov/ (http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/against-psychological-warfare-dunne-bezmenov/)
hope you dont mind hugo :)
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http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/against-psychological-warfare-dunne-bezmenov/ (http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/against-psychological-warfare-dunne-bezmenov/)
hope you dont mind hugo :)
no I don't mind. good post. The first part of the page raises great questions that should be addressed. But I don't think this is all a soviet communist plot like yuri warns of. It's a little bigger than what Yuri says. He's the one that brings up the famed, "useful tool" What he's not saying is that we were both playing the part of useful tool by buying into a very pre planned situation. It has gone on for hundreds of years just like this and somebody has to say no more. I'm ready to say no more. They want to keep the people fighting, not talking.
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you know when three's a crowd?... yea.. that would be now ;)
lol premise:•set forth beforehand, often as an explanation
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:premise&sa=X&ei=YvOUTKPoCoSglAffyPSjCg&ved=0CBUQkAE
Premise/s--------------------------------> Conclusion
All mammals feed their young with milk.(premise A)
All human are mammals.(premise B)
Therefore, all humans feed their young with milk.(conclusion from premise A and B)
problem is your premise is false b/c alot of the left arent ready to admit obama sucks ass
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no I don't mind. good post. The first part of the page raises great questions that should be addressed. But I don't think this is all a soviet communist plot like yuri warns of. It's a little bigger than what Yuri says. He's the one that brings up the famed, "useful tool" What he's not saying is that we were both playing the part of useful tool by buying into a very pre planned situation. It has gone on for hundreds of years just like this and somebody has to say no more. I'm ready to say no more. They want to keep the people fighting, not talking.
yea I agree with what your sayin about Yuri .. I've always looked past the communist threat when I listen to him. Never been wabout theat hen ive posted him. If I find more, I will post :D
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Lets look back: A lot of people here supported Ron Paul, and yes even several on the left. Paul kept it simple and to the point. He said things that were so common sense, it's almost impossible to argue against and we were all behind that here. I held a poll here during the election and overwhelmingly, almost everyone supported Ron Paul except for neocons like BB and they were the minority. That didn't happen without support from the left too. Ron Paul was able to deliver a conservative and responsible message that didn't entirely turn off the left.
Was that the same thread where you accused the media of a conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul, and cited in support of this theory a facebook poll that showed support for Ron Paul?
The only thing I've ever really said about Ron Paul is I like him, but he was not (and never will be) a viable presidential candidate.
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Was that the same thread where you accused the media of a conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul, and cited in support of this theory a facebook poll that showed support for Ron Paul?
The only thing I've ever really said about Ron Paul is I like him, but he was not (and never will be) a viable presidential candidate.
no, it's the same thread where I called you out for being a pussy sack of shit annoying twerp. You remember that thread lol?
I didn't post any opinions in the poll thread.... almost everyone here voted for Ron Paul and you stated that you would not participate no matter what. ::)
Now fuck off back to your hawaiian paradise or whatever ;D
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no, it's the same thread where I called you out for being a pussy sack of shit annoying twerp. You remember that thread lol?
I didn't post any opinions in the poll thread.... almost everyone here voted for Ron Paul and you stated that you would not participate no matter what. ::)
Now fuck off back to your hawaiian paradise or whatever ;D
Nah. You probably have, literally, thousands of meltdown posts on the board, and I don't read many of them, so would be easy for me to miss.
Regarding your "poll," your comments are grossly misleading. I didn't participate in the poll. That doesn't mean I didn't support Ron Paul in your dumb poll. ::)
And I will indeed enjoy paradise today. :)
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both you and tony are talking about the tea party like they are an actual differnet party. They're not... They're running as repbulicans. I'm sure you both know that so I don't know why you make it sound like they're something other than that. My big problem is that the movement started out under Ron Paul being something that people from all sides could join into and then it quickly somehow shifted to being led by goons like Glenn Beck and Fox News and candidates with masterbation campaigns lol... It went far right asap and don't think for a second that there wasn't someone out ther working to make that happen bigtime. In the end the people lose out over that kind of manipulation.
So again, I want on board, but I'm not a fucking moron... It needs redirected toward what it should be.
I was just using them as an example. My point was that it's difficult for a third party or "movement" to make in-roads. I agree it would be nice to have a greater variety of political affiliation available but I'm really not sure how to break the 2-party lock.
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[chuckle, snicker] :D
I'm seeing more and more comments from others who are dumbfounded at how the polls to reflect the numbers they know exist.
Independent polls
On December 7th, 2007 Wayne Goodfellow says:
It has become crystal clear that polls are being rigged by the MSM and other organizations to deliberately minimize the level of support for Ron Paul. This explains the very large discrepancy between the straw polls and local and national polls undertaken by large media organizations. The objective is to discourage Ron Paul supporters and to leave potential supporters with the mistaken impression that Ron Paul does not stand a chance. This is a very serious issue because it goes to the heart of a "free press" in a democracy.
To counter the rigged polls, the next major initiative of the Ron Paul revolution should be to raise funds to have fair and transparent polls undertaken by a credible and independent polling firm.
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http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5635&start=30
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Well, at least middle america, the rabble, and the rest of os working slobs are at least first trying something, before resorting to that.
The whole country is trying to change, that's what Obama ran under was change, that's why people voted for him. When the American public is finally fed up and it is the finally desperate straw, the shit will hit the fan. It may look to be racial but it will be about the government and their refusal to change policies that the people want changed.
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yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone. You never know when we're going to find common ground. I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking. There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now. Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.
QFT!
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QFT!
jag do you admit that obama policies are horrible? or at least that he hasnt done a good job?
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I don't think you understood what I was saying.
So what if he supports Obama? We really need to get over this petty bullshit and meet on common ground. I know it's shocking to believe but yes, there actually is common ground. It's a small portion of the population that's on the extreme left and right. The majority are forced left and right by the loud mouth fuckers on the extremes. when someone comes along with something that has room for talk, don't start out with an attack, go ahead and talk with them. There's nothing wrong with doing that but to draw the line in the sand and just say "YOU SHALL NOT PASSSSSS!!!" only means to me that you're one of the extremes fucking over the country. Now I'm not saying that's what you are but hope you see what I mean.
QFT!!!
Wow Hugo, ...you're on a roll tonight! :D
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I called you out for being a pussy sack of shit annoying twerp.
Now fuck off back to your hawaiian paradise or whatever ;D
QFT!!!
And there's the hat trick! ;D
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jag do you admit that obama policies are horrible? or at least that he hasnt done a good job?
Here's the difference Tony, I can answer both YES, his policies are horrible,
or I could answer, ABSOLUTELY NOT, his policies are fantastic. It doesn't matter.
Either way, no matter what he does, I will make money, and have a great life!
Right now, many of his policies are going to spell disaster for the financially illiterate, and those who refuse to change. As I've mentioned many times before, for the past 9 years, other than film residuals, I've earned my income almost exclusively in US dollars. At an average exchange rate of 1.47 they were more preferable to the Canadian loonie. Since GWB and the rapid decline in the USD, I've been looking to preserve my value through other currencies or other forms of money.
There are two ways I can view Obamas monetary policies. I can wail and scream what a POFS he is, as I watch the USD sink like a lead balloon and the purchasing power of it dwindle... or I can praise his monetary policies for the incredible opportunity it provides me to not only preserve my assets, as I furiously exchange my US dollar income for gold & silver as fast as I can. As the dollar sinks in value, my gold & silver continue to rise in value. When all is said and done... Obama's fiscal policies will only make me richer.
The die has already been cast. It was not Obama's doing, he's just the one presiding over it.
There are forces in life that are bigger than us. These forces will either crush us, ...or thrust us into success.
The only control we have is over the personal choices and the decisions we make for our own lives.
If we set our sails correctly for the prevailing winds, our ships should reach shore safely.
If all we do is scream & stomp our feet, ...our ships get raided by pirates, or worse gets dashed on the rocks.
We all know what massive deficit spending brings. We don't need a crystal ball to know what is about to take place, so since we all know what a shit storm is brewing, ...stop screaming about the impending storm and learn how to dance in the rain.
I hope that clarifies my position on the matter.
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Here's the difference Tony, I can answer both YES, his policies are horrible,
or I could answer, ABSOLUTELY NOT, his policies are fantastic. It doesn't matter.
Either way, no matter what he does, I will make money, and have a great life!
Right now, many of his policies are going to spell disaster for the financially illiterate, and those who refuse to change. As I've mentioned many times before, for the past 9 years, other than film residuals, I've earned my income almost exclusively in US dollars. At an average exchange rate of 1.47 they were more preferable to the Canadian loonie. Since GWB and the rapid decline in the USD, I've been looking to preserve my value through other currencies or other forms of money.
There are two ways I can view Obamas monetary policies. I can wail and scream what a POFS he is, as I watch the USD sink like a lead balloon and the purchasing power of it dwindle... or I can praise his monetary policies for the incredible opportunity it provides me to not only preserve my assets, as I furiously exchange my US dollar income for gold & silver as fast as I can. As the dollar sinks in value, my gold & silver continue to rise in value. When all is said and done... Obama's fiscal policies will only make me richer.
The die has already been cast. It was not Obama's doing, he's just the one presiding over it.
There are forces in life that are bigger than us. These forces will either crush us, ...or thrust us into success.
The only control we have is over the personal choices and the decisions we make for our own lives.
If we set our sails correctly for the prevailing winds, our ships should reach shore safely.
If all we do is scream & stomp our feet, ...our ships get raided by pirates, or worse gets dashed on the rocks.
We all know what massive deficit spending brings. We don't need a crystal ball to know what is about to take place, so since we all know what a shit storm is brewing, ...stop screaming about the impending storm and learn how to dance in the rain.
I hope that clarifies my position on the matter.
LMAO youre drunk arent you? :D
youre starting to sound like a rep their jag you should look at shorting the dollar if thats your viewpoint...
whos doing was this?
I agree with you on one thing though, the only thing you can control in this world is what you yourself do so dont dwell over the actions of others to much just concentrate on what your next move is.
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LMAO youre drunk arent you? :D
youre starting to sound like a rep their jag you should look at shorting the dollar if thats your viewpoint...
whos doing was this?
I agree with you on one thing though, the only thing you can control in this world is what you yourself do so dont dwell over the actions of others to much just concentrate on what your next move is.
Shorting the US dollar is exactly what I'm doing, however, I'm not doing it on a commodity exchange.
I'm simply exchanging one form of money (a fragile worth less US dollar) for another (GOLD & SILVER)
my wealth is preserved, increased, purchasing power is maintained, and no capital gains tax is payable.
Economist agree that what we need to be doing now is saving, ...however what they're not telling you is what you should be saving, ...cause it sure ain't US currency. You save those, and you'll simply see their purchasing power dwindling before your eyes.. US currency federal reserve notes should be disposed of as quickly as possible, whether it be to buy things or exchanged into a different form of money, imo. If you had asked me a few years ago I would have said Euros, or Yens. Now I say GOLD & SILVER... preferably SILVER because it is scarcer than GOLD and far more undervalued.
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.com/images/no_us_currency.jpg)
Here's a link the describes what I'm talking about. Have never really discussed this publicly cause I was a little unsure of the tax liabilities with this strategy. Now I see there is indeed method to the madness of my hairbrained schemes after all. ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=348731.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=348731.0)
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[chuckle, snicker] :D
that's not the poll I was talking about jackoff. It was the primary poll. most participated and there was nothing misleading about the thread. It just asked who you're supporting or something along those lines. If I remember right, you refused to participate. I can't find the thread in the search so it looks like some jackoff had a meltdown and deleted it ::) Ron Paul won the vote here by a freaking mile and I remember how pissy that made you. lol...
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that's not the poll I was talking about jackoff. It was the primary poll. most participated and there was nothing misleading about the thread. It just asked who you're supporting or something along those lines. If I remember right, you refused to participate. I can't find the thread in the search so it looks like some jackoff had a meltdown and deleted it ::) Ron Paul won the vote here by a freaking mile and I remember how pissy that made you. lol...
I didn't post a poll. I posted a quote of you complaining about the sinister conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul. But thanks for playing. :)
And Ron Paul won a poll on getbig.com by a "freaking mile"? How many people voted in this poll?
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I didn't post a poll. I posted a quote of you complaining about the sinister conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul. But thanks for playing. :)
And Ron Paul won a poll on getbig.com by a "freaking mile"? How many people voted in this poll?
what's that have to do with it? I'm the one that mentioned the poll first then you went off about a different thread ::) and I'm not embarrased about saying Paul was getting railroaded by the media. lots of people know it's true.
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Was that the same thread where you accused the media of a conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul, and cited in support of this theory a facebook poll that showed support for Ron Paul?
The only thing I've ever really said about Ron Paul is I like him, but he was not (and never will be) a viable presidential candidate.
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what's that have to do with it? I'm the one that mentioned the poll first then you went off about a different thread ::) and I'm not embarrased about saying Paul was getting railroaded by the media. lots of people know it's true.
If you're going to tout a poll, the poll and its results should be put in context. For example, if 20 people voted for Ron Paul in a message board poll, that doesn't say much at all. Just like the facebook poll you relied on. Not very reliable.
You didn't just say Ron Paul was railroaded. You said there was a conspiracy to suppress his candidacy, his poll numbers, etc. You quoted an article that said: "It has become crystal clear that polls are being rigged by the MSM and other organizations to deliberately minimize the level of support for Ron Paul."
That's crazy talk.
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If you're going to tout a poll, the poll and its results should be put in context. For example, if 20 people voted for Ron Paul in a message board poll, that doesn't say much at all. Just like the facebook poll you relied on. Not very reliable.
You didn't just say Ron Paul was railroaded. You said there was a conspiracy to suppress his candidacy, his poll numbers, etc. You quoted an article that said: "It has become crystal clear that polls are being rigged by the MSM and other organizations to deliberately minimize the level of support for Ron Paul."
That's crazy talk.
with what I said about Ron Paul, big fucking deal. I still believe what I said. so fucking what... With the poll, it was just a poll that asked who people supported. That's all it was, big fucking deal ::)
why did you delete it anyway? It got in your head that bad that most people here supported Paul?
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with what I said about Ron Paul, big fucking deal. I still believe what I said. so fucking what... With the poll, it was just a poll that asked who people supported. That's all it was, big fucking deal ::)
why did you delete it anyway? It got in your head that bad that most people here supported Paul?
Who said it was a big deal? I could care less if you believe in a nutty conspiracy theory.
No clue what you're talking about. Never deleted any thread about Ron Paul, poll, etc.
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Then there was the myspace theory:
This is not the most perfect indicator, it has flaws but it also is far from completely meaningless... With so many people and a wide cross section of the people having myspace pages, I like to do searches to see who is talking about who the most. VERY INTERESTING RESULTS!
2,970 mention Tommy Thompson
3,360 mention Fred Thompson
4,260 mention Rudolph Giuliani
5,140 mention Duncan Hunter
7,830 mention Joe Biden
19,300 mention John McCain
16,300 mention Mitt Romney
18,900 mention Dennis-Kucinich
26,600 mention John Edwards
43,000 mention Hillary Clinton
54,800 mention Barack Obama
103,000 mention Ron Paul
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I really don't see any comparison between a poll, particularly a straw poll, where people indicate a preference for a particular candidate for president, and some amorphous reference to a guy on a myspace page with absolutely no frame of reference. How do you know 50,000 of those references aren't calling the guy a nut? How many of those pages belong to minors (i.e., people who aren't old enough to vote)? How many of those people aren't United States citizens? I could probably think of several other reasons why myspace hits aren't relevant to this guy's political candidacy, but those are just off the top of my head.
I think I understand one of the points you're trying to make: Ron Paul has some great positions on a number of issues and should be a major player in the Republican party. I pretty agree many of his positions should be embraced by Republican and Democrat candidates (e.g., never voting for a tax increase--I really like that one. :))
Let's see how the primary votes turn out, assuming he stays in the race that long. It's possible the poll numbers could be way off, but I doubt that's the case where he is concerned.
Only a complete fool would see no relevant information in collecting various statistics from various major internet gathering places like myspace... I promise you, your glorious Karl Rove would never make that error and I would bet anything similar statistics from these .coms have crossed his desk more than once. absolute fact.
If people find some value in the Iowa straw poll, which is completely unscientific and very open to manipulation, I have no problem looking for items of interest in sites like myspace, and I by far never claimed these numbers were some kind of absolute tell. right off the bat I said otherwise so end that crap.
If you read what I said, I did a check of how many people were calling him a nut. The search results should be fairly random, that is no order distinction between those who favor him and those who do not. I could not find one page unfavorable to Ron Paul in the first 40 pages, I could extend that out until I find a few negative comments on Ron and ratio that with the whole to receive an approximate number that wouldn't be far off. But if I came up with no negatives in the first 40 pages, that's a lot of pages on myspace mentioning Ron without calling him a nut. There is infomation in doing these searches that has some relevent importance, it's totally foolish to say there is nothing there of interest and it is of interest to have so many talking about a candidate that isn't mustering even 1% in the national polls...
I didn't say myspace hits are completely irrelevant. I said "If this is just a summary of the number of myspace pages that mention Ron Paul, I would put that in the 'meaningless' category as far his political candidacy goes." In that context, it's relevant to nothing, particularly when you look at the number of hits involving the candidates who actually have a legitimate shot to win the nomination.
On second thought, you might be on to something. I did a Google search for the following names and came up with the following hits:
Ron Paul: 9,400,000
Hillary Clinton: 5,110,000
Scooby Doo: 3,770,000
Barack Obama: 3,260,000
Ronald Reagan: 2,550,000
Homer Simpson: 2,530,000
Rudy Giuliani: 2,160,000
The man who may be the next president of the United States (Rudy) has fewer hits than a dead guy and two cartoon characters, while a guy who will likely not garner more than 2 percent of the vote in the Republican primary (the one or two primaries that he might participate in) is being discussed all over the internet. What that tells me is people might be talking about the guy, but that really has nothing to do with whether or not he is a viable candidate for the Republican nomination. The fact is he's not. At least not at this point.
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Who said it was a big deal? I could care less if you believe in a nutty conspiracy theory.
No clue what you're talking about. Never deleted any thread about Ron Paul, poll, etc.
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you're actually the one with a ct on Ron Paul. You believe it's actually a small group of people that manipulate straw polls and shit. I posted examples where the media and sites like youtube were busted red handed in their suppression of paul. So it's you with the ct buddy ;) I had proof, you don't.
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big deal bb. like I said in that thread, you insisted on taking that thread out of context. you think i was basing everything off of that and I never suggested anything of the sort. In fact you refused to listen to what I was saying and insisted on your own interpretation of it ::) lame as hell bb, lame...
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big deal bb. like I said in that thread, you insisted on taking that thread out of context. you think i was basing everything off of that and I never suggested anything of the sort. In fact you refused to listen to what I was saying and insisted on your own interpretation of it ::) lame as hell bb, lame...
What? I actually put your myspace hits in context by showing how unreliable it was. Scooby Doo got more hits than Obama. lol . . . .
And regarding my views on Ron Paul, I've had nothing but good things to say about him. I've been realistic about his campaign (he never had a shot), but I've always said I liked him. One example, I created a thread a long time ago about him on the issues. An excerpt:
Spent some time looking at Ron Paul's website. Here are some issues I like and some I find objectionable:
- Withdraw from the UN = bad
- "End birthright citizenship" = bad
- “Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.
Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes and hire more employees, that tax cut is a good thing. Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy — that means all of us." = OUTSTANDING :)
- Abolishing the DOE and returning control to the states = good
- Support for the environment = good
- No socialized healthcare = good
- Reigning in the FDA, particularly when it comes to supplements = terrific
- Promotion of home schooling = great
- Respect and protection of unborn children = consistent
- "The Tax Free Tips Act of 2007 will exempt tips from federal income and payroll taxes." = very good
- Opposition to national ID = ambivalent
- Overturn Patriot Act = alarmist
- Government's role in ending racism = indecipherable
- "Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, I have introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191), which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors’ income and raise their standard of living." = good
- Second Amendment views (basically anything goes) = extremist
- Immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq = mistake
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/
Overall, I think he's okay on the issues.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=192426.0
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up your ass bb!!!
owned...
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up your ass bb!!!
owned...
I would watch the clip, but the last time I watched a clip you wanted me to, you accused me of lying about watching it. So, you can stick your clip where the sun doesn't shine. :) But if you want to post Cliff's Notes I'll read them. :)
Scooby Doo for president. lol.
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I don't give a shit if you watch it. It only proves you're a chickenshit only willing to debate on your interpretation of things. It's not new that you refuse to look at anything provided contrary of your opinion. You've been doing that from day one. and even you admit that you will argue against a person here after not watching their video.
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I don't give a shit if you watch it. It only proves you're a chickenshit only willing to debate on your interpretation of things. It's not new that you refuse to look at anything provided contrary of your opinion. You've been doing that from day one. and even you admit that you will argue against a person here after not watching their video.
No, it just means when you ask me to do something, I do it, and you act like a punk after I've done it, I don't give you another chance to make a monkey out of me. :)
And what I've done since I've posted on the board is read almost anything anyone has asked me to read, until the person proves they are insincere, crazy, a punk, etc.
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For me, this is very simple, if someone is in office this election cycle, they are gone.
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No, it just means...
no, it just means you're a dick.
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For me, this is very simple, if someone is in office this election cycle, they are gone.
Too bad we don't have term limits.
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I'm jumping in this late, but Hugo, please vote. While I understand your concern and the Fox news takeover of the Tea Party is disturbing is still our job to vote not for the lesser of two evils but the best person for the job; even if that means writing a name in(if you have the ability to do so). Please vote and don't let yourself get that depressed.
I never jumped on board with the Tea Party as right away I saw too many of the same right wing faces trying to be a part of it.
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I'm jumping in this late, but Hugo, please vote. While I understand your concern and the Fox news takeover of the Tea Party is disturbing is still our job to vote not for the lesser of two evils but the best person for the job; even if that means writing a name in(if you have the ability to do so). Please vote and don't let yourself get that depressed.
I never jumped on board with the Tea Party as right away I saw too many of the same right wing faces trying to be a part of it.
If you honestly believe both options are fucked in the head, then how is it possible that you're not personally voting for the lesser of two evils. Thanks for the post and I appreciate what you're saying.