I want so bad to jump on board.

[Dos Equis]

[chuckle, snicker]   

I'm seeing more and more comments from others who are dumbfounded at how the polls to reflect the numbers they know exist.
Independent polls
On December 7th, 2007 Wayne Goodfellow says:
It has become crystal clear that polls are being rigged by the MSM and other organizations to deliberately minimize the level of support for Ron Paul. This explains the very large discrepancy between the straw polls and local and national polls undertaken by large media organizations. The objective is to discourage Ron Paul supporters and to leave potential supporters with the mistaken impression that Ron Paul does not stand a chance. This is a very serious issue because it goes to the heart of a "free press" in a democracy.

To counter the rigged polls, the next major initiative of the Ron Paul revolution should be to raise funds to have fair and transparent polls undertaken by a credible and independent polling firm.

[MB_722]

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5635&start=30

[chaos]

Well, at least middle america, the rabble, and the rest of os working slobs are at least first trying something, before resorting to that. 

The whole country is trying to change, that's what Obama ran under was change, that's why people voted for him. When the American public is finally fed up and it is the finally desperate straw, the shit will hit the fan. It may look to be racial but it will be about the government and their refusal to change policies that the people want changed.

[24KT]

yea, that doesn't mean you should automatically attack someone.  You never know when we're going to find common ground.  I see nothing in what he said that was worth attacking.  There is to much of that automatic attack attitude in the country right now.  Hell when someone comes along with something that you can see some room to agree with, even if it's on a small level, build a fucking bridge man.

QFT!

[tonymctones]

QFT!

jag do you admit that obama policies are horrible? or at least that he hasnt done a good job?

[24KT]

I don't think you understood what I was saying.  

So what if he supports Obama?  We really need to get over this petty bullshit and meet on common ground.  I know it's shocking to believe but yes, there actually is common ground.  It's a small portion of the population that's on the extreme left and right.  The majority are forced left and right by the loud mouth fuckers on the extremes.  when someone comes along with something that has room for talk, don't start out with an attack, go ahead and talk with them.  There's nothing wrong with doing that but to draw the line in the sand and just say "YOU SHALL NOT PASSSSSS!!!" only means to me that you're one of the extremes fucking over the country.  Now I'm not saying that's what you are but hope you see what I mean.

QFT!!!

Wow Hugo, ...you're on a roll tonight!  

[24KT]

I called you out for being a pussy sack of shit annoying twerp. 

Now fuck off back to your hawaiian paradise or whatever

QFT!!!
And there's the hat trick! 

[24KT]

jag do you admit that obama policies are horrible? or at least that he hasnt done a good job?

Here's the difference Tony, I can answer both YES, his policies are horrible,
or I could answer, ABSOLUTELY NOT, his policies are fantastic. It doesn't matter.

Either way, no matter what he does, I will make money, and have a great life!
Right now, many of his policies are going to spell disaster for the financially illiterate, and those who refuse to change. As I've mentioned many times before, for the past 9 years, other than film residuals,  I've earned my income almost exclusively in US dollars. At an average exchange rate of 1.47 they were more preferable to the Canadian loonie. Since GWB and the rapid decline in the USD, I've been looking to preserve my value through other currencies or other forms of money.

There are two ways I can view Obamas monetary policies. I can wail and scream what a POFS he is, as I watch the USD sink like a lead balloon and the purchasing power of it dwindle... or I can praise his monetary policies for the incredible opportunity it provides me to not only preserve my assets, as I furiously exchange my US dollar income for gold & silver as fast as I can. As the dollar sinks in value, my gold & silver continue to rise in value. When all is said and done... Obama's fiscal policies will only make me richer.

The die has already been cast. It was not Obama's doing, he's just the one presiding over it.

There are forces in life that are bigger than us. These forces will either crush us, ...or thrust us into success.
The only control we have is over the personal choices and the decisions we make for our own lives.
If we set our sails correctly for the prevailing winds, our ships should reach shore safely.
If all we do is scream & stomp our feet,  ...our ships get raided by pirates, or worse gets dashed on the rocks.

We all know what massive deficit spending brings. We don't need a crystal ball to know what is about to take place, so since we all know what a shit storm is brewing, ...stop screaming about the impending storm and learn how to dance in the rain.

I hope that clarifies my position on the matter.

[tonymctones]

Here's the difference Tony, I can answer both YES, his policies are horrible,
or I could answer, ABSOLUTELY NOT, his policies are fantastic. It doesn't matter.

Either way, no matter what he does, I will make money, and have a great life!
Right now, many of his policies are going to spell disaster for the financially illiterate, and those who refuse to change. As I've mentioned many times before, for the past 9 years, other than film residuals,  I've earned my income almost exclusively in US dollars. At an average exchange rate of 1.47 they were more preferable to the Canadian loonie. Since GWB and the rapid decline in the USD, I've been looking to preserve my value through other currencies or other forms of money.

There are two ways I can view Obamas monetary policies. I can wail and scream what a POFS he is, as I watch the USD sink like a lead balloon and the purchasing power of it dwindle... or I can praise his monetary policies for the incredible opportunity it provides me to not only preserve my assets, as I furiously exchange my US dollar income for gold & silver as fast as I can. As the dollar sinks in value, my gold & silver continue to rise in value. When all is said and done... Obama's fiscal policies will only make me richer.

The die has already been cast. It was not Obama's doing, he's just the one presiding over it.

There are forces in life that are bigger than us. These forces will either crush us, ...or thrust us into success.
The only control we have is over the personal choices and the decisions we make for our own lives.
If we set our sails correctly for the prevailing winds, our ships should reach shore safely.
If all we do is scream & stomp our feet,  ...our ships get raided by pirates, or worse gets dashed on the rocks.

We all know what massive deficit spending brings. We don't need a crystal ball to know what is about to take place, so since we all know what a shit storm is brewing, ...stop screaming about the impending storm and learn how to dance in the rain.

I hope that clarifies my position on the matter.

LMAO youre drunk arent you? 

youre starting to sound like a rep their jag you should look at shorting the dollar if thats your viewpoint...

whos doing was this?

I agree with you on one thing though, the only thing you can control in this world is what you yourself do so dont dwell over the actions of others to much just concentrate on what your next move is.

[24KT]

LMAO youre drunk arent you?  

youre starting to sound like a rep their jag you should look at shorting the dollar if thats your viewpoint...

whos doing was this?

I agree with you on one thing though, the only thing you can control in this world is what you yourself do so dont dwell over the actions of others to much just concentrate on what your next move is.

Shorting the US dollar is exactly what I'm doing, however, I'm not doing it on a commodity exchange.
I'm simply exchanging one form of money (a fragile worth less US dollar) for another (GOLD & SILVER)
my wealth is preserved, increased, purchasing power is maintained, and no capital gains tax is payable.


Economist agree that what we need to be doing now is saving, ...however what they're not telling you is what you should be saving, ...cause it sure ain't US currency. You save those, and you'll simply see their purchasing power dwindling before your eyes.. US currency federal reserve notes should be disposed of as quickly as possible, whether it be to buy things or exchanged into a different form of money, imo. If you had asked me a few years ago I would have said Euros, or Yens. Now I say GOLD & SILVER... preferably SILVER because it is scarcer than GOLD and far more undervalued.




Here's a link the describes what I'm talking about. Have never really discussed this publicly cause I was a little unsure of the tax liabilities with this strategy. Now I see there is indeed method to the madness of my hairbrained schemes after all. 

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=348731.0

[Hugo Chavez]

[chuckle, snicker]   

that's not the poll I was talking about jackoff.  It was the primary poll.  most participated and there was nothing misleading about the thread.  It just asked who you're supporting or something along those lines.  If I remember right, you refused to participate.  I can't find the thread in the search so it looks like some jackoff had a meltdown and deleted it   Ron Paul won the vote here by a freaking mile and I remember how pissy that made you. lol...

[Dos Equis]

that's not the poll I was talking about jackoff.  It was the primary poll.  most participated and there was nothing misleading about the thread.  It just asked who you're supporting or something along those lines.  If I remember right, you refused to participate.  I can't find the thread in the search so it looks like some jackoff had a meltdown and deleted it  Ron Paul won the vote here by a freaking mile and I remember how pissy that made you. lol...

I didn't post a poll.  I posted a quote of you complaining about the sinister conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul. But thanks for playing.  

And Ron Paul won a poll on getbig.com by a "freaking mile"?  How many people voted in this poll? 

[Hugo Chavez]

I didn't post a poll.  I posted a quote of you complaining about the sinister conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul. But thanks for playing.  

And Ron Paul won a poll on getbig.com by a "freaking mile"?  How many people voted in this poll?  

what's that have to do with it?  I'm the one that mentioned the poll first then you went off about a different thread   and I'm not embarrased about saying Paul was getting railroaded by the media.  lots of people know it's true.

[Hugo Chavez]

Was that the same thread where you accused the media of a conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul, and cited in support of this theory a facebook poll that showed support for Ron Paul?  

The only thing I've ever really said about Ron Paul is I like him, but he was not (and never will be) a viable presidential candidate.  

[Dos Equis]

what's that have to do with it?  I'm the one that mentioned the poll first then you went off about a different thread   and I'm not embarrased about saying Paul was getting railroaded by the media.  lots of people know it's true.

If you're going to tout a poll, the poll and its results should be put in context.  For example, if 20 people voted for Ron Paul in a message board poll, that doesn't say much at all.  Just like the facebook poll you relied on.  Not very reliable. 

You didn't just say Ron Paul was railroaded.  You said there was a conspiracy to suppress his candidacy, his poll numbers, etc.  You quoted an article that said:  "It has become crystal clear that polls are being rigged by the MSM and other organizations to deliberately minimize the level of support for Ron Paul." 

That's crazy talk.

[Hugo Chavez]

If you're going to tout a poll, the poll and its results should be put in context.  For example, if 20 people voted for Ron Paul in a message board poll, that doesn't say much at all.  Just like the facebook poll you relied on.  Not very reliable.  

You didn't just say Ron Paul was railroaded.  You said there was a conspiracy to suppress his candidacy, his poll numbers, etc.  You quoted an article that said:  "It has become crystal clear that polls are being rigged by the MSM and other organizations to deliberately minimize the level of support for Ron Paul."  

That's crazy talk.

with what I said about Ron Paul, big fucking deal.  I still believe what I said.  so fucking what...  With the poll, it was just a poll that asked who people supported.  That's all it was, big fucking deal

why did you delete it anyway?  It got in your head that bad that most people here supported Paul?

[Dos Equis]

with what I said about Ron Paul, big fucking deal.  I still believe what I said.  so fucking what...  With the poll, it was just a poll that asked who people supported.  That's all it was, big fucking deal

why did you delete it anyway?  It got in your head that bad that most people here supported Paul?

Who said it was a big deal?  I could care less if you believe in a nutty conspiracy theory.   

No clue what you're talking about.  Never deleted any thread about Ron Paul, poll, etc.

[Dos Equis]

Then there was the myspace theory:

This is not the most perfect indicator, it has flaws but it also is far from completely meaningless...  With so many people and a wide cross section of the people having myspace pages, I like to do searches to see who is talking about who the most.  VERY INTERESTING RESULTS!

2,970 mention Tommy Thompson
3,360 mention Fred Thompson
4,260 mention Rudolph Giuliani
5,140 mention Duncan Hunter
7,830 mention Joe Biden
19,300 mention John McCain
16,300 mention Mitt Romney
18,900 mention Dennis-Kucinich
26,600 mention John Edwards
43,000 mention Hillary Clinton
54,800 mention Barack Obama
103,000 mention Ron Paul

/quote]

I really don't see any comparison between a poll, particularly a straw poll, where people indicate a preference for a particular candidate for president, and some amorphous reference to a guy on a myspace page with absolutely no frame of reference.  How do you know 50,000 of those references aren't calling the guy a nut?  How many of those pages belong to minors (i.e., people who aren't old enough to vote)?  How many of those people aren't United States citizens?  I could probably think of several other reasons why myspace hits aren't relevant to this guy's political candidacy, but those are just off the top of my head.     

I think I understand one of the points you're trying to make:  Ron Paul has some great positions on a number of issues and should be a major player in the Republican party.  I pretty agree many of his positions should be embraced by Republican and Democrat candidates (e.g., never voting for a tax increase--I really like that one.  

Let's see how the primary votes turn out, assuming he stays in the race that long.  It's possible the poll numbers could be way off, but I doubt that's the case where he is concerned. 

Only a complete fool would see no relevant information in collecting various statistics from various major internet gathering places like myspace... I promise you, your glorious Karl Rove would never make that error and I would bet anything similar statistics from these .coms have crossed his desk more than once.  absolute fact.

If people find some value in the Iowa straw poll, which is completely unscientific and very open to manipulation, I have no problem looking for items of interest in sites like myspace, and I by far never claimed these numbers were some kind of absolute tell.  right off the bat I said otherwise so end that crap.

If you read what I said, I did a check of how many people were calling him a nut.  The search results should be fairly random, that is no order distinction between those who favor him and those who do not.  I could not find one page unfavorable to Ron Paul in the first 40 pages, I could extend that out until I find a few negative comments on Ron and ratio that with the whole to receive an approximate number that wouldn't be far off.  But if I came up with no negatives in the first 40 pages, that's a lot of pages on myspace mentioning Ron without calling him a nut.  There is infomation in doing these searches that has some relevent importance, it's totally foolish to say there is nothing there of interest and it is of interest to have so many talking about a candidate that isn't mustering even 1% in the national polls...

I didn't say myspace hits are completely irrelevant.  I said "If this is just a summary of the number of myspace pages that mention Ron Paul, I would put that in the 'meaningless' category as far his political candidacy goes."  In that context, it's relevant to nothing, particularly when you look at the number of hits involving the candidates who actually have a legitimate shot to win the nomination. 

On second thought, you might be on to something.  I did a Google search for the following names and came up with the following hits:

Ron Paul:  9,400,000
Hillary Clinton:  5,110,000
Scooby Doo:  3,770,000
Barack Obama:  3,260,000
Ronald Reagan:  2,550,000
Homer Simpson:  2,530,000
Rudy Giuliani:  2,160,000

The man who may be the next president of the United States (Rudy) has fewer hits than a dead guy and two cartoon characters, while a guy who will likely not garner more than 2 percent of the vote in the Republican primary (the one or two primaries that he might participate in) is being discussed all over the internet.  What that tells me is people might be talking about the guy, but that really has nothing to do with whether or not he is a viable candidate for the Republican nomination.  The fact is he's not.  At least not at this point.   

[Hugo Chavez]

Who said it was a big deal?  I could care less if you believe in a nutty conspiracy theory.   

No clue what you're talking about.  Never deleted any thread about Ron Paul, poll, etc.

you're actually the one with a ct on Ron Paul.  You believe it's actually a small group of people that manipulate straw polls and shit.  I posted examples where the media and sites like youtube were busted red handed in their suppression of paul.  So it's you with the ct buddy   I had proof, you don't.

[Hugo Chavez]

big deal bb.  like I said in that thread, you insisted on taking that thread out of context.  you think i was basing everything off of that and I never suggested anything of the sort.  In fact you refused to listen to what I was saying and insisted on your own interpretation of it   lame as hell bb, lame...

[Dos Equis]

big deal bb.  like I said in that thread, you insisted on taking that thread out of context.  you think i was basing everything off of that and I never suggested anything of the sort.  In fact you refused to listen to what I was saying and insisted on your own interpretation of it   lame as hell bb, lame...

What?  I actually put your myspace hits in context by showing how unreliable it was.  Scooby Doo got more hits than Obama.  lol . . . .

And regarding my views on Ron Paul, I've had nothing but good things to say about him.  I've been realistic about his campaign (he never had a shot), but I've always said I liked him.  One example, I created a thread a long time ago about him on the issues.  An excerpt:

Spent some time looking at Ron Paul's website.  Here are some issues I like and some I find objectionable:

- Withdraw from the UN = bad

- "End birthright citizenship" = bad

- “Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.

Whether a tax cut reduces a single mother’s payroll taxes by $40 a month or allows a business owner to save thousands in capital gains taxes and hire more employees, that tax cut is a good thing. Lower taxes allow more spending, saving, and investing which helps the economy — that means all of us."  = OUTSTANDING   

- Abolishing the DOE and returning control to the states = good

- Support for the environment = good

- No socialized healthcare = good

- Reigning in the FDA, particularly when it comes to supplements = terrific

- Promotion of home schooling = great

- Respect and protection of unborn children = consistent

- "The Tax Free Tips Act of 2007 will exempt tips from federal income and payroll taxes." = very good

- Opposition to national ID = ambivalent

- Overturn Patriot Act = alarmist

- Government's role in ending racism = indecipherable

- "Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, I have introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191), which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors’ income and raise their standard of living." = good

- Second Amendment views (basically anything goes) = extremist

- Immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq = mistake

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

Overall, I think he's okay on the issues.   

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=192426.0

[Hugo Chavez]

up your ass bb!!!

owned...

[Dos Equis]

up your ass bb!!!

owned...

I would watch the clip, but the last time I watched a clip you wanted me to, you accused me of lying about watching it.  So, you can stick your clip where the sun doesn't shine.     But if you want to post Cliff's Notes I'll read them.   

Scooby Doo for president.  lol.

[Hugo Chavez]

I don't give a shit if you watch it.  It only proves you're a chickenshit only willing to debate on your interpretation of things.  It's not new that you refuse to look at anything provided contrary of your opinion.  You've been doing that from day one.  and even you admit that you will argue against a person here after not watching their video.

[Dos Equis]

I don't give a shit if you watch it.  It only proves you're a chickenshit only willing to debate on your interpretation of things.  It's not new that you refuse to look at anything provided contrary of your opinion.  You've been doing that from day one.  and even you admit that you will argue against a person here after not watching their video.

No, it just means when you ask me to do something, I do it, and you act like a punk after I've done it, I don't give you another chance to make a monkey out of me.    

And what I've done since I've posted on the board is read almost anything anyone has asked me to read, until the person proves they are insincere, crazy, a punk, etc.