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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dantelis on September 27, 2010, 03:57:44 PM
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Still think Phil had Jay beat, but guess it is as some say...you got to knock out the champ, can't just win by points. Jay had the judges leaning his way as the incumbent champ, so Phil would have to be even better and Jay even more off than he was for Phil to win. If phil comes in as good and a bit tighter in 2011, it is his contest to lose.
Here are some comparisons:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/110/d/img_11111285450447.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/357/d/img_12541285450459.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/110/d/img_31251285476286.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/357/d/img_12301285450457.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/110/d/img_10651285407970.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/357/d/img_12161285450456.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/110/d/img_10881285450445.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/357/d/img_12331285450457.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/110/d/img_11001285450446.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/357/d/img_12461285450458.jpg)
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They both kinda look like shit. Dexter should be the real winner.
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Phil is killing Jay...like I said.
Jay is the true gift cause he's gotten 2 gifts from Victor and now Phil
Phil's body has caught up with his arms so he can add another inch or 2 to them. 8)
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When looking at pics - Phil is more photogenique.
When looking at replays - Phil is getting destroyed.
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jay has phil beat on.....
.....i dont know......waist size i guess
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jay is white in every photo ;D
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Cutler's ab/thigh is vomit inducing. I still don't understand how he gets away with having all that loose skin on his lower back.
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Heaths facial expressions, looks like hes plowing some bitch .... Cutler looks like hes getting plowed in the ass.
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Lol. Jay beat Phil on size, and is more complete, with equal conditioning. Like it or not, thats what wins.
Jay won fair and square. And when you see a REAL comparison of them standing side by side, you see phil getting dwarfed.
You guys all want to look at them when theyre standing alone, you need to look at them standing side by side, not these individual comparison photos placed side by side. they show nothing.
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Look all you Heath should have won fags... here is why he lost.
Heath has shape. Yes. But thats not enough to beat Cutlers size.
And I dont even particularly like Cutler.. at all... This is probably the most objective ive ever been about any O, cause I dont give a shit about literally ANYONE competing today. If anything I like Phil better. But there is no way he beat Cutler this year.
(http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/BODYBUILDINGGOD/beastmode.jpg)
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Look all you Heath should have won fags... here is why he lost.
Heath has shape. Yes. But thats not enough to beat Cutlers size.
And I dont even particularly like Cutler.. at all... This is probably the most objective ive ever been about any O, cause I dont give a shit about literally ANYONE competing today. If anything I like Phil better. But there is no way he beat Cutler this year.
(http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/BODYBUILDINGGOD/beastmode.jpg)
thats why Heath should have won
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their muscle look, vascularity, hardness, is almost the same.same veins at the same spot, its kinda funny. I think they both hired the same drugs guru im I right? Whats his name again?
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...if it was an "all arms"-contest, then - yes.
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thats why Heath should have won
ding ding.
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thats why Heath should have won
Cause hes smaller in every bodypart, legs not as sharp, but has better shape? Not to mention midget chest, arms overpowering everything, etc? You guys just hate Cutler cause hes has a wide waist. Thats it.
Sorry, bodybuilding shows arent judged on that. History has always shown that size>shape, all else being equal.
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Jays waist is bigger than Phils, but Jay is also twice as wide.
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There have been big men in the past. All jay does is bring in a larger gut. I dont get how he even made it this far. Are wide ass hips a bit of a problem. ???
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Even I thought that Jay looked like a pile of shit when I saw pics of Jay standing by himself..
But..
In the replays even Stevie Wonder saw why Jay won..
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There have been big men in the past. All jay does is bring in a larger gut. I dont get how he even made it this far. Are wide ass hips a bit of a problem. ???
And there have been smaller more shapely men in the past.
And they always lose to the big man.
I dont know why youre all bitching, this is Bodybuilding, this is how its judged, its the same every year.
Every year, the shape fans bitch and moan about how so and so got robbed, and the size guys cheer about how they got it right and people should stop bitching.
Youd think you guys would see that pattern.
Clearly the judges want size, and you guys that like "shape" are just shit outta luck. Doesnt matter if you think its right or wrong... thats the way it is.
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And there have been smaller more shapely men in the past.
And they always lose to the big man.
I dont know why youre all bitching, this is Bodybuilding, this is how its judged, its the same every year.
Every year, the shape fans bitch and moan about how so and so got robbed, and the size guys cheer about how they got it right and people should stop bitching.
Youd think you guys would see that pattern.
Clearly the judges want size, and you guys that like "shape" are just shit outta luck. Doesnt matter if you think its right or wrong... thats the way it is.
The guy is 5 8 if hes trying for size I feel sorry for him. If you mean fridginess sure he got it. ::)
P.S. yes the fridge shit is getting old but it dont make it any less true.
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Phil is killing Jay...like I said.
Jay is the true gift cause he's gotten 2 gifts from Victor and now Phil
Phil's body has caught up with his arms so he can add another inch or 2 to them. 8)
phil still has a middle weight torso, hope this helps
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jay outmasses heath and like what was said is just as hard as him.jay's legs top to bottom crushes all of them other than branche's.jay's quads from hips to knees are cut deep and all the heads pop out all over .good condition for a big man.
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Just noticed how fucking sick Phil's forearms look in some of those shots.
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Jay in all shots.
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Back width and thigh detail are the two factors that push it to Jay.Anyone who knows the judging criteria, whether it be right or wrong knows Jay wins. Infact Phil knows theres not much he can do to beat Jay next year as his back weakness in comparison is a structure issue hes narrow and thigh detail wise no ones going to hang within Jay well maybe Branch, Black guys genetically struggle to get their wheels as tight as white guys, just as White guys struggle to match the black guys rear biceps detail.
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Back width and thigh detail are the two factors that push it to Jay.Anyone who knows the judging criteria, whether it be right or wrong knows Jay wins. Infact Phil knows theres not much he can do to beat Jay next year as his back weakness in comparison is a structure issue hes narrow and thigh detail wise no ones going to hang within Jay well maybe Branch, Black guys genetically struggle to get their wheels as tight as white guys, just as White guys struggle to match the black guys rear biceps detail.
exactly
i will say it again........there is a set judging criteria
you cannot say phil should have won cause he was "prettier"
the score was not even close, jason won by a country mile
look at the width, the deep thigh cuts, the more developed hamstrigns, the wider back the overall thickness
not even close......jay dominated again this year.......the gap was not as wide as it was last year
, but he still dominated
on another point, it my view that phil (although young) has his physique pretty maxed)
his clavicles are never going to widen, and how much bigger can his arms get
sure he could put a little more depoth in his back and hams.......but after this , if tries to pack on more weight to be mroe competitive, it will go the the wrong places, like his gut
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They both kinda look like shit. Dexter should be the real winner.
yep.
agree 100%.
but of these two, Phil takes it.
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And there have been smaller more shapely men in the past.
And they always lose to the big man.
I dont know why youre all bitching, this is Bodybuilding, this is how its judged, its the same every year.
Every year, the shape fans bitch and moan about how so and so got robbed, and the size guys cheer about how they got it right and people should stop bitching.
Youd think you guys would see that pattern.
Clearly the judges want size, and you guys that like "shape" are just shit outta luck. Doesnt matter if you think its right or wrong... thats the way it is.
WRONG. Those who complain have a right to as BB is supposed to be about size and shape. Not one in exchange for the other. Jay's shape is crap and he is huge. A guy with half decent size and looks great SHOULD beat him- but it doesnt happen.
Then we have a huge lump of muscle with the shape of a freshly squeezed great dane's excrement beating someone with infinitely better shape and more than enough muscle in every area- cartoonish outlines.
it never used to happen like this. Yates took the focus off of balance and symmetry and replaced it with conditioning and size., BUT, even with that said, Haney beat him with size AND shape.
Then we have contradicting judging criteria where the behemoths dominate the 'O and shapely guys win the Arnold..then we have guys like Levrone who sports great size AND shape, getting beaten by Yates...
Ray and Labrada really didnt have the size to make up for their statuesque physiques, but guys like Flex (even though he had implants), Levrone and Dex deserved better. RC had both size and shape..at least for a while.
the only way RC got beat is because he himself lost his SHAPE- not so much his size- and another massive guy out massed him. It was battle of the guts front and central..with third and fourth more often than not being actually the best "BODY"builder.
The sport needs to go back to its origins where the reward was for the best body..it might even help if the criteria was weighted to bias balance and symmetry as the unbiased system doesnt award the best sculptor.
Look at the mandatory poses also- they are stacked to favour mass. and the one that really shows true balance is equally weighted..the front double bi- as the side chest...
we have 2 poses displaying the back..and one showcasing the back, from the front- out of a total of 7. nearly half the poses are related to having the best back- which is very much related to having the widest- or most massive, back...
there are only 2 poses that really show up symmetry- Front double bi and abs and thigh.
the MM and the side chest are mass games- both of them hide the huge waists on display.
So out of 7 poses, 5 of them are geared to awarding mass.
on top of that we have conditioning. loads of mass looks fantastic with great conditioning..another bias.
there is no criteria for proportion, shape, and left to right, up and down balance..nothing. There is no penalty for wide waists.
I could go on and on..but if they want BB to progress, then it needs to go through a thorough revisit of how judging is conducted and how scoring takes place. A committee needs to agree on weighting of each pose, redress the bias, and introduce criteria to account for the things that are today lumped all into one mushy, clumsy category called "opinion"...
its not 1970 anymore and we have the technology to make this happen, and make it more palatable.
will it happen?. heck no.
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their muscle look, vascularity, hardness, is almost the same.same veins at the same spot, its kinda funny. I think they both hired the same drugs guru im I right? Whats his name again?
It's like they're both human or something.
Jay is harder from the front, and wins quads, calves, abs, delts, chest. Phil wins Back and arse. Quite surprising Phil didn't win actually since back and glutes is most of what the judges seem to care about, he just looks too skinny from the front next to Jay.
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why jay won........easily:
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86987.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86980.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86988.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/86989.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/large/87018.jpg)
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Phil looked incredible this year, but here's his problem. He is too up and down from the front, especially when he raises his hands (front double bi). His lack of taper really comes out. Everyone is saying Phil got beat because of a lack of size. I think he put on enough size this year, but he's got a narrow shoulder structure that is hard to hide from the front.
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thats why Heath should have won
Bingo.
In addition, Phil is INCOMPLETE; First of all, *HE HAS NO CHEST! His triceps overwhelm his biceps, his quads overwhelm his halms, and his back development is not very impressive for a potential Olympian.
***LOOK AT PHIL'S CHEST!! It is TINY! He has GREAT ARMS(Top 5 in history), but his back and chest development just aren't there yet.
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jay wins
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phil heath owns jay cutler, jay sux azz!!!!!!!!!!
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Back width and thigh detail are the two factors that push it to Jay.Anyone who knows the judging criteria, whether it be right or wrong knows Jay wins. Infact Phil knows theres not much he can do to beat Jay next year as his back weakness in comparison is a structure issue hes narrow and thigh detail wise no ones going to hang within Jay well maybe Branch, Black guys genetically struggle to get their wheels as tight as white guys, just as White guys struggle to match the black guys rear biceps detail.
Uh, Flex had cross striations in his wheels and he had some of the roundest , fullest hams for his size, Desmond Miller had gigantor legs, they were too big for his body, Shawn Ray had to keep his in check, and Kev's were Fullblown at one time...And Paul Dillett, he didn't squat, but his legs were huge.
Don't go into that reasoning, which was used against Haney having smaller legs
I think Phil should try smiling, he could have won if he did that. The angry,evil bald Negro making faces scares people... ::)
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jay is bigger and better, you can tell in the pics that jay has him beat and you can also tell the way that jay took home the sandow.... that he won
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I see Jay 3rd.
Phil 1st of course and Branch a solid 2nd.
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jay is bigger and better, you can tell in the pics that jay has him beat and you can also tell the way that jay took home the sandow.... that he won
Jay doesn't have a better back, Jay doesn't have a better Taper, Jay doesn't have better arms, or even chest, Jay's upper body conditioning sucks, Jay does have wrinkles in his back. Jay is only bigger and has shredded quads. That's it.
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Jay doesn't have a better back, Jay doesn't have a better Taper, Jay doesn't have better arms, or even chest, Jay's upper body conditioning sucks, Jay does have wrinkles in his back. Jay is only bigger and has shredded quads. Jay has 4 sandows.. That's it.
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I've never noticed before how Jay's pecs disappear in his FDB. Maybe Phil just has his arms further in front but his "weaker" pecs still look thick when he does the pose.
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Phil has a HUGE chest, hope this helps. Narrow maybe, less hard than Jay maybe, but thick as fuck also.
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Branch's face looks like the pedo clown from the movie Sin City