Phil vs. Jay j2010 Olympia comparisons

[~UN_$ung~]

Back width and thigh detail are the two factors that push it to Jay.Anyone who knows the judging criteria, whether it be right or wrong knows Jay wins. Infact Phil knows theres not much he can do to beat Jay next year as his back weakness in comparison is a structure issue hes narrow and thigh detail wise no ones  going to hang within Jay well maybe Branch, Black guys genetically struggle to get their wheels as tight as white guys, just as White guys struggle to match the black guys rear biceps detail.

exactly

i will say it again........there is a set judging criteria

you cannot say phil should have won cause he was "prettier"




the score was not even close, jason won by a country mile


look  at the width, the deep thigh cuts, the more developed hamstrigns, the wider back the overall thickness


not even close......jay dominated again this year.......the gap was not as wide as it was last year
, but he still dominated




on another point, it my view that phil  (although young) has his physique pretty maxed)

his clavicles are never going to widen, and how much bigger can his arms get

sure he could put a little more depoth in his back and hams.......but after this , if tries to pack on more weight to be mroe competitive, it will go the the wrong places, like his gut

[disco_stu]

They both kinda look like shit. Dexter should be the real winner.

yep.

agree 100%.

but of these two, Phil takes it.

[disco_stu]

And there have been smaller more shapely men in the past.
And they always lose to the big man.
I dont know why youre all bitching, this is Bodybuilding, this is how its judged, its the same every year.
Every year, the shape fans bitch and moan about how so and so got robbed, and the size guys cheer about how they got it right and people should stop bitching.
Youd think you guys would see that pattern.
Clearly the judges want size, and you guys that like "shape" are just shit outta luck. Doesnt matter if you think its right or wrong... thats the way it is.

WRONG.  Those who complain have a right to as BB is supposed to be about size and shape. Not one in exchange for the other. Jay's shape is crap and he is huge. A guy with half decent size and looks great SHOULD beat him- but it doesnt happen.
Then we have a huge lump of muscle with the shape of a freshly squeezed great dane's excrement beating someone with infinitely better shape and more than enough muscle in every area- cartoonish outlines.

it never used to happen like this. Yates took the focus off of balance and symmetry and replaced it with conditioning and size., BUT, even with that said, Haney beat him with size AND shape.

Then we have contradicting judging criteria where the behemoths dominate the 'O and shapely guys win the Arnold..then we have guys like Levrone who sports great size AND shape, getting beaten by Yates...

Ray and Labrada really didnt have the size to make up for their statuesque physiques, but guys like Flex (even though he had implants), Levrone and Dex deserved better. RC had both size and shape..at least for a while.

the only way RC got beat is because he himself lost his SHAPE- not so much his size- and another massive guy out massed him. It was battle of the guts front and central..with third and fourth more often than not being actually the best "BODY"builder.

The sport needs to go back to its origins where the reward was for the best body..it might even help if the criteria was weighted to bias balance and symmetry as the unbiased system doesnt award the best sculptor.

Look at the mandatory poses also- they are stacked to favour mass. and the one that really shows true balance is equally weighted..the front double bi- as the side chest...

we have 2 poses displaying the back..and one showcasing the back, from the front- out of a total of 7. nearly half the poses are related to having the best back- which is very much related to having the widest- or most massive, back...

there are only 2 poses that really show up symmetry- Front double bi and abs and thigh.

the MM and the side chest are mass games- both of them hide the huge waists on display.

So out of 7 poses, 5 of them are geared to awarding mass.

on top of that we have conditioning. loads of mass looks fantastic with great conditioning..another bias.

there is no criteria for proportion, shape, and left to right, up and down balance..nothing. There is no penalty for wide waists.

I could go on and on..but if they want BB to progress, then it needs to go through a thorough revisit of how judging is conducted and how scoring takes place. A committee needs to agree on weighting of each pose, redress the bias, and introduce criteria to account for the things that are today lumped all into one mushy, clumsy category called "opinion"...

its not 1970 anymore and we have the technology to make this happen, and make it more palatable.

will it happen?. heck no.

[Immortal_Technique]

their muscle look, vascularity, hardness, is almost the same.same veins at the same spot, its kinda funny. I think they both hired the same drugs guru im I right? Whats his name again?

It's like they're both human or something.

Jay is harder from the front, and wins quads, calves, abs, delts, chest. Phil wins Back and arse. Quite surprising Phil didn't win actually since back and glutes is most of what the judges seem to care about, he just looks too skinny from the front next to Jay.

[~UN_$ung~]

why jay won........easily:

[MB]

Phil looked incredible this year, but here's his problem.  He is too up and down from the front, especially when he raises his hands (front double bi).  His lack of taper really comes out.  Everyone is saying Phil got beat because of a lack of size.  I think he put on enough size this year, but he's got a narrow shoulder structure that is hard to hide from the front. 

[Ross Erstling]

thats why Heath should have won

Bingo.

In addition, Phil is INCOMPLETE; First of all, *HE HAS NO CHEST!  His triceps overwhelm his biceps, his quads overwhelm his halms, and his back development is not very impressive for a potential Olympian.
 
***LOOK AT PHIL'S CHEST!! It is TINY!  He has GREAT ARMS(Top 5 in history), but his back and chest development just aren't there yet. 

[slacker]

jay wins

[cswol]

phil heath owns jay cutler, jay sux azz!!!!!!!!!!

[Parker]

Back width and thigh detail are the two factors that push it to Jay.Anyone who knows the judging criteria, whether it be right or wrong knows Jay wins. Infact Phil knows theres not much he can do to beat Jay next year as his back weakness in comparison is a structure issue hes narrow and thigh detail wise no ones  going to hang within Jay well maybe Branch, Black guys genetically struggle to get their wheels as tight as white guys, just as White guys struggle to match the black guys rear biceps detail.

Uh, Flex had cross striations in his wheels and he had some of the roundest , fullest hams for his size, Desmond Miller had gigantor legs, they were too big for his body, Shawn Ray had to keep his in check, and Kev's were Fullblown at one time...And Paul Dillett, he didn't squat, but his legs were huge.

Don't go into that reasoning, which was used against Haney having smaller legs

I think Phil should try smiling, he could have won if he did that. The angry,evil bald Negro making faces scares people...
 

[brent2741]

jay is bigger and better, you can tell in the pics that jay has him beat and you can also tell the way that jay took home the sandow.... that he won

[French]

I see Jay 3rd.

Phil 1st of course and Branch a solid 2nd.

[Parker]

jay is bigger and better, you can tell in the pics that jay has him beat and you can also tell the way that jay took home the sandow.... that he won

Jay doesn't have a better back, Jay doesn't have a better Taper, Jay doesn't have better arms, or even chest, Jay's upper body conditioning sucks, Jay does have wrinkles in his back. Jay is only bigger and has shredded quads. That's it.

[brent2741]

Jay doesn't have a better back, Jay doesn't have a better Taper, Jay doesn't have better arms, or even chest, Jay's upper body conditioning sucks, Jay does have wrinkles in his back. Jay is only bigger and has shredded quads. Jay has 4 sandows.. That's it.

[Dreadlifter]

I've never noticed before how Jay's pecs disappear in his FDB. Maybe Phil just has his arms further in front but his "weaker" pecs still look thick when he does the pose.

[Immortal_Technique]

Phil has a HUGE chest, hope this helps. Narrow maybe, less hard than Jay maybe, but thick as fuck also.

[Stavios]

Branch's face looks like the pedo clown from the movie Sin City