suggestions?
Maybe I am infelxible but I couldnt bend over and kinda have my ass out and back arched, I sorta ended up at lik 110degree more than 90 angle rowing.
I know it is a great movement and lats are one of my shittiest bodyparts.
suggestions?
try doing dumbell rolls instead.
90 degrees or nothing.
Chest supported DB rows are just as effective and save your back.
I do them at qyite a vertical angle. I feel it in my lats though by pulling my elbows back. i work up to over 300lbs. Doing 135lbs @ 90 degrees is unomfortable for me. I do keep my back straight and lower back tight throughout.
Maybe I am infelxible but I couldnt bend over and kinda have my ass out and back arched, I sorta ended up at lik 110degree more than 90 angle rowing.use an e-z curl bar take a curl grip and bend over and row. simple
I know it is a great movement and lats are one of my shittiest bodyparts.
suggestions?
Agreed. Back parallel to the ground or you are a pussy.
Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don't
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.
Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don'tthat's how I do mine
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.
was this supposed to be an example of good form? ???
I find 1 arm dumbbell rows work better, feel it more in the lats and can control the movement better as you can lean the unworked side on a benchI do both barbell rows and dumbell rows
Agreed. Back parallel to the ground or you are a pussy.(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_020.jpg)
Maybe I am infelxible but I couldnt bend over and kinda have my ass out and back arched, I sorta ended up at lik 110degree more than 90 angle rowing.
I know it is a great movement and lats are one of my shittiest bodyparts.
suggestions?
I'm telling you fuckers... do 'em the way dorian did 'em. Works that middle upper back..?? Look like shrug
but do them on a smith. Keeps the movement linear.
that's how I do mine
3 sets of 10 to 12 no less than 10
working up to 315
could go heavier but then my form would suffer
like you often see a loft of guys doing this standing nearly strainght up
One arm DB or machine for me.T-Bar. Small plates for a great contraction, or larger for the big pump. I like a mix.
was this supposed to be an example of good form? ???
T-Bar. Small plates for a great contraction, or larger for the big pump. I like a mix.
Maybe I am infelxible but I couldnt bend over and kinda have my ass out and back arched, I sorta ended up at lik 110degree more than 90 angle rowing.Not me. I would rather T-bar row. Much easier on the lower back.
I know it is a great movement and lats are one of my shittiest bodyparts.
suggestions?
?? Look like shrug
You are a fucking clown!
That is some goddamn serious strength right there.
This. I never understood why people think "heavy" (cheat) rows are more effective. Would bounced benches be more effective? ::)
Maybe I am infelxible but I couldnt bend over and kinda have my ass out and back arched, I sorta ended up at lik 110degree more than 90 angle rowing.
I know it is a great movement and lats are one of my shittiest bodyparts.
suggestions?
Cause it worked for him.
Exactly. Oh, and didn't he tear a lat? :D
I find a good combo is t-bar rowing for 4 sets then one arm dumbbell rowing for 4 sets and only after that the cable work. Makes your back nice and thick.100% correct
Your and 99% of people have same problem with this exercise: Your lower back is weak. First of all you have to have enough strength in your lower back to maintain that hideous posture and 90° angle. If so, you can use full range of motion and you really benefit by doing that exercise. Those blockheads who do it in 45° angle look like idiots with their 20% range of motion, and that is what they deserve, because they doesn't benefit at all by doing that. Secondly, you have to use moderate weights while doing this, because of the posture, until you know how to do it right. What I do is that I load a barbell to the floor, and put little piece of veneer front of it, so when I stand front of the barbell my heel is on the veneer, half an inch higher than my toe. Then I bend down and also bend my knees and tighten the straps. Then I pull the barbell against my shins. Then I straighten my knees and continue to the lift. I pull the barbell against my lower abdomen and arch my upper back while my lower back stays motionless. Then I lower the barbell for the next rep. I start with two 40lb plates and add 20lb per set for four sets. For lower back strength I do 40 reps of hyper extension three times per week + 40 reps of crunch, 20 reps of side crunch, and couple of sets of stiff legged dead lifts once per week. I also do dead lifts once per two weeks.
(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_020.jpg)
(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/aBATxe3DTiQ/0.jpg)
Maybe I am infelxible but I couldnt bend over and kinda have my ass out and back arched, I sorta ended up at lik 110degree more than 90 angle rowing.Well if can't bend over then yeah you're inflexible. And you answered it yourself. If your lats suck, it's because you suck at barbell rows.
I know it is a great movement and lats are one of my shittiest bodyparts.
suggestions?
Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don't
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.
I'm telling you fuckers... do 'em the way dorian did 'em. Works that middle upper back..
but do them on a smith. Keeps the movement linear.
Your and 99% of people have same problem with this exercise: Your lower back is weak. First of all you have to have enough strength in your lower back to maintain that hideous posture and 90° angle. If so, you can use full range of motion and you really benefit by doing that exercise. Those blockheads who do it in 45° angle look like idiots with their 20% range of motion, and that is what they deserve, because they doesn't benefit at all by doing that. Secondly, you have to use moderate weights while doing this, because of the posture, until you know how to do it right. What I do is that I load a barbell to the floor, and put little piece of veneer front of it, so when I stand front of the barbell my heel is on the veneer, half an inch higher than my toe. Then I bend down and also bend my knees and tighten the straps. Then I pull the barbell against my shins. Then I straighten my knees and continue to the lift. I pull the barbell against my lower abdomen and arch my upper back while my lower back stays motionless. Then I lower the barbell for the next rep. I start with two 40lb plates and add 20lb per set for four sets. For lower back strength I do 40 reps of hyper extension three times per week + 40 reps of crunch, 20 reps of side crunch, and couple of sets of stiff legged dead lifts once per week. I also do dead lifts once per two weeks.
interesting underhandedhe had to stop the underhand after he tore a bicep
I have hear that lets the bicep be stronger and helps lats get stronger
arthur kones n mentzer i think noted the same
interesting underhanded
I have hear that lets the bicep be stronger and helps lats get stronger
arthur kones n mentzer i think noted the same
u really think those are better than barbll,,,
y
Take a swan dive into a woodchipper.
interesting underhanded
I have hear that lets the bicep be stronger and helps lats get stronger
Underhand makes for a stronger row as the biomechanics as changed, more bicep pull....
Hahah....who is this moron?
Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.
You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.
In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.
I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?
Well if can't bend over then yeah you're inflexible. And you answered it yourself. If your lats suck, it's because you suck at barbell rows.
Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.
You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.
In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.
I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?
Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don'tWOW, this guy is a beast.
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.
You gotta watch on those underhanded bent over barbell rows though. Thats a good way to tair your biceps like Dorian did when going heavy.
Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.
You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.
In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.
I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?
90 degrees or nothing.
This. I never understood why people think "heavy" (cheat) rows are more effective. Would bounced benches be more effective? ::)
LOL... more moronic statements... to many to even bother replying to all
was this supposed to be an example of good form? ???
NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard. So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic. Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big.
I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG. The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on. If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect. Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed. if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic ::)
I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread. On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”
So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.
I never do barbell rows.... HATE THEM!!! Absolutely hate them... Its bad because it truly is an awesome exercise, but I've never been a fan!
ACH: I used to hate them too..
I just started them back up but on a smith with relatively light weight for higher sets of about 13 or so. Each rep is paused too at contraction. Very little lower back pain and great soreness the next few days.
Are you able to do them on the same day you do deadlifts? Or is it either/or?
no just the vanity of weights...
form? what form?
Yes
NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard. So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic. Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big.
I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG. The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on. If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect. Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed. if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic ::)
I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread. On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”
So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.
Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. :)
Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. :)
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Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. :)
Clever girl!!!... yes THAT is the reason.
They do also kinda of help your back grow... but thats not the point
barbell rows can be done in many ways,, you can do it arnold style you can do it dorian style and so on dpending on what you wanna emphasise,, and there is correct cheating and there is incorrect cheating,,, the guy in the video is not doing bodybuilding style,, that is just ego lifting ,, his friends will tell him he is strong but this is not bodybuildfing training for sure
when you know the rules you can brake them
thats gotta be the thing w bb rows,
foundation built on good form is a good thing
and at somepoint you get good mind muscle connection what may look "loose form" to some is really someone using target muscle group while keeping it under total control and "slingin and stretchin" etc. body english heavy weight and all that follows...
like ppl on low cable rows that sit perfectly str8 and do the move controld etc., when yeah at some point you gotta let that strectch you and heave back and do the move different.
think you gotta graduate to get to that point, most dont.
what looks like when a pro lifts loose it very differnt when a wknd warrior slings loose
uprights rows, 45 rows, 90 rows
3 similar/differnt moves right there
Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.
You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.
In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.
I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?
The form there is actually not bad for the weight.
NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard. So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic. Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big.
I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG. The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on. If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect. Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed. if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic ::)
I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread. On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”
So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.
Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don't
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.
YesWow man, nice to have you on the boards.
Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. :)
Here's one for the exercise police :
you can have it your way :)
two things should be done
- using ez-bar for better contraction (also better for your wrists) an you dont need straps at a higher weight because the bar coldn t role out of your hands
- start with a deadlift from the floor like yates did to get better form and performance
was she better than your father?
one would have to be very narrow to use an ez bar to do rows
i prefer women closeline, but i actually wasnt having it to you this time.
they aren not woman with dicks they are man with fake boobs an but implants on oestrogens - get it shemale lover
oh boy , you have no idea
narrow as ronny was , we let him do it this way, now he s mr o finalist
http://clips.team-andro.com/watch/1e3abe89933f20d08116/ronny-rockel-rueckentraining-8-wochen-vor-der-mr.-o-2010
NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard. So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic. Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big.
I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG. The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on. If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect. Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed. if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic ::)
I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread. On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”
So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.