barbell rows? do people do em a lot? at gym today I did and damn uncomfrtable

[Lion666]

LOL... more moronic statements... to many to even bother replying to all

when you know the rules you can brake them
thats gotta be the thing w bb rows,
foundation built on good form is a good thing
and at somepoint you get good mind muscle connection what may look "loose form" to some is really someone using target muscle group while keeping it under total control and "slingin and stretchin" etc. body english heavy weight and all that follows...
like ppl on low cable rows that sit perfectly str8 and do the move controld etc., when yeah at some point you gotta let that strectch you and heave back and do the move different.
think you gotta graduate to get to that point, most dont.
what looks like when a pro lifts loose it very differnt when a wknd warrior slings loose

 uprights rows, 45 rows, 90 rows
3 similar/differnt moves right there

[phyxsius]

was this supposed to be an example of good form?

no just the vanity of weights...

form? what form?

[JP_RC]

NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard.  So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic.  Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big.  

I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG.  The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on.  If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect.  Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed.  if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic

I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread.  On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”

So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.

So.....you're the guy on the video?

[Ursus]

I use close grip double overhand grip on BB rows.

[BIG ACH]

I never do barbell rows.... HATE THEM!!!  Absolutely hate them...  Its bad because it truly is an awesome exercise, but I've never been a fan!

[coltrane]

I never do barbell rows.... HATE THEM!!!  Absolutely hate them...  Its bad because it truly is an awesome exercise, but I've never been a fan!

ACH:  I used to hate them too.. 

I just started them back up but on a smith with relatively light weight for higher sets of about 13 or so.    Each rep is paused too at contraction.  Very little lower back pain and great soreness the next few days.

[BIG ACH]

ACH:  I used to hate them too.. 

I just started them back up but on a smith with relatively light weight for higher sets of about 13 or so.    Each rep is paused too at contraction.  Very little lower back pain and great soreness the next few days.

Are you able to do them on the same day you do deadlifts?  Or is it either/or?

[coltrane]

Are you able to do them on the same day you do deadlifts?  Or is it either/or?

Rarely do I DL anymore.  If I do, it's all on the same day, and the deads are partials from my shins.

The years of squats/deads/bent-over rows have taken a toll on my lower back.

[El_Torro]

no just the vanity of weights...

form? what form?

Clever girl!!!... yes THAT is the reason.
They do also kinda of help your back grow... but thats not the point

[JP_RC]

Yes

Why are you getting all fired up because people here (myself included) are critizing your form?

All I can say is you do have a good back and probably years of training and experience so your mind/muscle connection is pretty good, that way what apparently seems as bad form actually works great for you.

But you can't show your video to a beginner and expect him to train like that, he probably won't get good results from it and maybe even get injured. He'll probably think "I just have to lift some heavy ass weights and throw them around like a maniac and I'll grow", but what he doesn't have is your experience.

[FREAKgeek]

NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard.  So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic.  Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big. 

I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG.  The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on.  If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect.  Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed.  if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic

I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread.  On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”

So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.

Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. 

Here's one for the exercise police  :

you can have it your way   

[StanZoLOL]

Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. 

^ That's actually some of the best form I've seen with 405.

[nolotil]

Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up.  

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barbell rows can be done in many ways,, you can do it arnold style you can do it dorian style and so on dpending on what you wanna emphasise,, and there is correct cheating and there is incorrect cheating,,, the guy in the video is not doing bodybuilding style,, that is just ego lifting ,, his friends will tell him he is strong but this is not bodybuildfing training for sure

[JP_RC]

Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. 

Actually his form on the last two videos is very good, nothing like the first video or the one posted a page back.

[coltrane]

Clever girl!!!... yes THAT is the reason.
They do also kinda of help your back grow... but thats not the point

Looks like you got hit with buckshot.

[JimmyJam1974]

You gotta row to grow

[coltrane]

barbell rows can be done in many ways,, you can do it arnold style you can do it dorian style and so on dpending on what you wanna emphasise,, and there is correct cheating and there is incorrect cheating,,, the guy in the video is not doing bodybuilding style,, that is just ego lifting ,, his friends will tell him he is strong but this is not bodybuildfing training for sure

The form there is actually  not bad for the weight. 

[JP_RC]

when you know the rules you can brake them
thats gotta be the thing w bb rows,
foundation built on good form is a good thing
and at somepoint you get good mind muscle connection what may look "loose form" to some is really someone using target muscle group while keeping it under total control and "slingin and stretchin" etc. body english heavy weight and all that follows...
like ppl on low cable rows that sit perfectly str8 and do the move controld etc., when yeah at some point you gotta let that strectch you and heave back and do the move different.
think you gotta graduate to get to that point, most dont.
what looks like when a pro lifts loose it very differnt when a wknd warrior slings loose

 uprights rows, 45 rows, 90 rows
3 similar/differnt moves right there

Good post, some people don't get it though.

[mesmorph78]

I think his form is great
I just love 140lb guys who read flex and listen when the pros talk about form you see the 140 lb guys taking 15 seconds to do a rep slow and controlled  as it's described in flex. Not realising none of the pros train the way flex describes in fact they are the most sloppy trainers

this guys form on the rows are ideal
 

[Master Blaster]

Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.

You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.

In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.

I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?  

Hahahah...yeah "right"   

[nolotil]

The form there is actually  not bad for the weight.  

I do not agree,, in the first video (guy with the hat) the form is very poor,, you can cheat correctly but he has no contraction at all,, this is the type of cheating that is incorrect,, some momentum can be ok if you have some control of your contraction,,

[stormshadow]

NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard.  So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic.  Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big.  

I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG.  The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on.  If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect.  Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed.  if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic

I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread.  On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”

So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.

Nice post, you definitely owned that homo.

[Cy Tolliver]

Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don't
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

whats the deal with the ms13 members in the background? 

[Meso_z]

Yes

Wow man, nice to have you on the boards.

Please stick here and post, we need guys who know their shit... 

[Meso_z]

Agreed. Don't let the exercise police stir you up. 

Here's one for the exercise police  :

you can have it your way   

LMFAO....."exercise police"