I'm all for it. Only people who should be worried are terrorists and little dicks.
I'll be going through it this week. I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner?it's not even optional now?
Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.
Boooo! >:(
New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
By Star-Advertiser Staff
POSTED: 01:22 p.m. HST, Oct 15, 2010
(http://media.staradvertiser.com/images/300*451/20101015SECURITY+SCANNER+1.jpg)
John Brandon, Transportation Security Manager, stands inside of Advanced Imaging Technology scanner.
The Transportation Security Administration this morning unveiled a new advanced imaging technology for passengers at the Honolulu Airport.
The new scanners can look through a person's clothing to produce full-body images.
The TSA said the technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats, including explosives.
This summer Lihue Airport became the first airport in the state to begin screening passengers with the advanced imaging device.
Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.
Passengers also have the option of going through a body search, rather than using the device.
The TSA hopes to have 500 airports equipped with the advanced imaging scanners by the end of this year and 1,100 by the end of next year.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/New_full_body_scanners_at_Honolulu_Airport_unveiled.html
it's not even optional now?
This stuff is going to just keep getting worse, good thread bb.
I thought you of all people would love this.
Not optional. I went through one in LAX a few weeks ago. I'm just thrilled to have them here now. >:(lol, remember when they first came out, still a matter of months ago, they pushed it as ok because it wasn't manditory. They said people didn't have to do it. It's not even a year later and they've already dumped that. this is sick and wrong. Now we see that police departments are getting backscatter vans to roam the streets with so they can see everything in our cars and homes.
I'll be going through it this week. I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner?I hate it when you're on the internet.
I hate it when you're on the internet.are you serious? IMO this is BB's finest moment ;D
Seriously, why is everyone worried about the damn scanner? Being insecure can't be that bad.wtf does that mean? insecure? I'm not insecure... you're kidding right,...oh my bust lol....
I hate it when you're on the internet.
wtf does that mean? insecure? I'm not insecure... you're kidding right,...oh my bust lol....
BB, I know we don't get along, but for this, I totally agree with you.
"What happened to our right to privacy? Has Homeland Security forgotten our rights because they think its going to stop terrorists?"
Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with. I don't even know you. Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know. In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me).Opt out when you can and CLAP for those who do opt out. When you opt out and they start yelling, "OPT OUT!!! OPT OUT!!!!" you start yelling the same thing with them and even louder and clap while you're doing it. If they freak out just calmly tell them you thought they were joining in the nationwide protest of opting out and you only thought you were joining in with them...
In any event, I'm really upset about this. It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport. I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.
Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with. I don't even know you. Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know. In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me).
In any event, I'm really upset about this. It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport. I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.
Weird that they don't have them at JFK, which is a much bigger and more important airport, at least I didn't see any last time.I guess you haven't seen the squedule for how many they'll have by the end of 2011. I bet you they are in every major airport well before we hit the end of 2011 including JFK...
Opt out when you can and CLAP for those who do opt out. When you opt out and they start yelling, "OPT OUT!!! OPT OUT!!!!" you start yelling the same thing with them and even louder and clap while you're doing it. If they freak out just calmly tell them you thought they were joining in the nationwide protest of opting out and you only thought you were joining in with them...
I'd bet that the TSA and subsequently the cops would call this "disorderly conduct" and could even arrest people if the TSA decides to follow a hard line on this (which is likely as more and more people seem to react). It's good that people react though, I thought there would be no reaction to these ridiculous measures.It's disorderly conduct for them to be yelling opt out to intimidate people. There's already one video on youtube of a TSA agent being ordered down by police. If they can yell opt out, they're going to have a hard time in court explaining why you can't yell the same two words. The key is to respond to TSA as soon as they make a request. The guy is going to have to stop yelling opt out in order to ask you to stop. When he asks you to stop, you just stop. There will be no arrest and if there is, it will not go anywhere. There will also be no problem clapping. Especially if word catches on and they start encountering it more frequently. These guys are behaving like nazis, don't be hearded like sheep.
Not optional. I went through one in LAX a few weeks ago. I'm just thrilled to have them here now. >:(
The article says it is optional. Were you referring to another airport?
No. When I went through LAX I had no idea it was optional. Didn't look optional to me.
Ha ha ha- the tsa guy probably wanted to feel you up so he told you it was mandatory. ;D ;D
No. When I went through LAX I had no idea it was optional. Didn't look optional to me.
You should have asked man?
lol. Nah. Nobody touched me.
I am in good shape, and sport 7.75 inches with some decent thickness.
So I look fwd to these intrusive scanners. I might even ask to go through repeatedly, or for a supervisor to come out, hoping it'll be a hot blonde who demands a cavity search as a result of her X-rayted [sic] lust.
I am a little nervous about them being able to see the turds in my stomach, so perhaps I will eat a light lunch that day?
You should lower the carbs. Get in some more cardio. At your age, the metabolism alone isn't enough for you, nor is working out twice a week.
hit the iron hard, keep the diet smart, and you'll be attractive enough to feel up in no time at all!
I am in good shape, and sport 7.75 inches with some decent thickness.
So I look fwd to these intrusive scanners. I might even ask to go through repeatedly, or for a supervisor to come out, hoping it'll be a hot blonde who demands a cavity search as a result of her X-rayted [sic] lust.
I am a little nervous about them being able to see the turds in my stomach, so perhaps I will eat a light lunch that day?
Yawn. Quit trying to act like you know me boy. Stick to the issues.
It's an armored booth you step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your person. Israel sees this as a win-win situation for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It will also eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter, an announcement: "Attention standby passengers - we now have a seat available on flight 6709. Shalom!"
Check out the picture in this thread!that one is not really from one of the body scanners. It's a pic someone got from an artist's nude pose book and inverted to make it look like a scan then changed it back. It MAY have been placed on the net by the industry profiting from these scanners or one of their lobbyists or just an advocate. The idea is that it's grabbed up by many who say, "see look at what you can see with these scanners" Then once it's across the net, they can lower the hammer by proving it to be a hoax and point out the real origin of the photo. This is very effective in controlling the debate as everyone is then focussed on the hoax. Someone did the same thing with the food bill I was making an issue of. I'm thinking it's probably pretty common for lobbyist to play tricks like this. I can't prove it, but seeing how these items like to pop up on very controversial issues, it makes me wonder.
hot woman!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2627026/posts?q=1&;page=51
check this out, if you refuse, you'll be fined $10,000 and TSA will bring a civil suit against you.bump for this post. Ron has it posted in general and someone just pm'd me with this, so it's a good read. I can't believe they'll sue your ass and fine you 10,000 if you want to refuse being felt up or exposed to a nude scan.
http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html
I hear muslim women are getting a pass on this.do you have a link for that? I've read that they have been told to refuse a patdown and nude scan but I haven't seen any stories of TSA letting them go after they refused. This would really be an LOL, if they're letting muslims pass and just harrasing little kids and elderly people.
i was just in the US this summer and didnt see any sign of these then(vegas & LAX). Thank god cause im not sure what i would have done. This is garbage and a complete invasion of my/our privacy.:o You're from Canada? I definitely nominate you for the Coolest Canadian on Getbig Award. You haven't been on here bashing America daily. You deliver some of the best images of the finest T&A from around the world for our entertainment. When you do have an opinion on something controversial, you speak your mind calmly and logically with no baiting. Yup, the award goes to you... Coolest Canadian on Getbig...
I live in Canada and hoping its a while before they make there way up here....if ever
:o You're from Canada? I definitely nominate you for the Coolest Canadian on Getbig Award. You haven't been on here bashing America daily. You deliver some of the best images of the finest T&A from around the world for our entertainment. When you do have an opinion on something controversial, you speak your mind calmly and logically with no baiting. Yup, the award goes to you... Coolest Canadian on Getbig...
The next time you travel here, you can probably expect to see these scanners for sure:
"More of the units are arriving at airports, with 1,000 expected to be in place by the end of 2011"
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-12/travel/travel.screening_1_body-scanners-pat-downs-travel-companies?_s=PM:TRAVEL
Sorry Blinky, I had to look and it doesn't look good for you guys either :(
Body scanners coming to Canadian airports
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/01/05/security-canada-us-airport.html
haha thanx. no, im not into the bashing. just speaking my mindIf you do have to get pulled out of line for the body scanners, I would opt out in favor of the balls touching patdown :-X Some Doctors are now saying that the scans deliver 20 times higher radiation than previously stated. The science behind this is that these waves are mostly absorbed in the layers of skin and not far beyond. So for the skin, the exposure is much greater than counting an overall exposure to the entire body. Also remember that they ask you to stand legs apart with hands up like you're under arrest. There is only a very thin layer of skin and tissue between the X-Ray scan and your family jewels... Not worth the risk if you ask me. Even with the most minimal X-rays done in the hospital, they cover your junk with lead. The TSA wants to make sure they have your junk X-ray scanned. That's what the hole underwear bomber bullshit was about. So Opt Out if you can imo...
well i guess i shouldnt be surprised. the US says something and the rest of the world falls in line. At least i dont fly too often. about twice a year and usually just inside canada. And of course my city and the one i travel most frequently to are both on the list. :-\
At this pointthey should just scrap the whole system and let us carry on board and take our chances. I'll bring my Glock, CKRT folder and deal with whatever happens.I'm also willing to take my chances. I don't even need to demand the Glock for this one.
And the crying about all this is because of what again?::)
The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.
Grow up.
And the crying about all this is because of what again?
The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.
Grow up.
No
Having a scan eliminates any need for being felt up. I guess that part of the article and common sense went over your head. No surprise.
But since you never leave home you won't have to worry about that happening to you.
Then open your own airport.
Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to.
Then open your own airport.
Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to.
Why? Ever read the 4th Amendment, yeah the one about unreasonable SEARCH and seizure. What probable cause do they have to scan or grope a US citizen? I guess in lib land its perfectly acceptable to bend over let the government violate your rights
f he can resort to only banning muslims off the planes, he will likely be fine.
If you go to a museum and they want to scan or pat you down, you can easily say no. They can easily say "The exit is that way". Same thing here.
Flying is not a constitutional right. Once you purchase a flight ticket you are already submitting and agreeing to the rules anyway.
House Republicans Clobber TSA, Insider Deals On Nudie Scannersdigusting...
The Hayride ^ | 17 Nov 10 | MacAoidh
We mentioned Rapiscan, one of the two companies manufacturing the full-body scanners the TSA has been using to stir up the ire of airline passengers of late, yesterday. It turns out that not only is Rapiscan CEO Deepak Chopra (not THAT Deepak Chopra) a maxed-out Obama donor and a member of the president’s retinue for last week’s India trip, but the company uses a lobbying firm run by former Department of Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff.
This isn’t likely to defuse the outrage over TSA as the holiday travel crush gets going.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehayride.com ...
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Another govt hack w no clue at all.shows how removed from the public this guy is lol... It's been all over the news and this guy calls it a myth?
Really so because you buy a ticket you are forfeiting your constitutional rights? I don't think so. Again what is the probable cause? Simply because they feel like it?
See this is the kind of shit about the left that drives me crazy, you will argue over separation of church and state ( which by the way, the phrase doesn't exist in the constitution) but when something is spelled out in plain English in the constitution you think every fucking person should just submit to some bullshit procedure that some fuckhead in DC who will never have to go through thinks is good for you. Well done ::)
X-ray scans that show your nude body to a stranger are only a step up from metal detectors? ::) oh brother...
Lurker - do you volunteer for full cavity search?
Lurker - do you volunteer for full cavity search?yea, it's only a step up from being X-rayed lol... I guess that's the next step when someone tries to sneek a bomb up their ass. which I believe has already happened in Israel if I remember right.
You act like the stranger actually WANTS to see your nude body.No, I'm acting like I don't want them seeing my wife's or my daughter's nude body, and I don't want them felt up either...
LOL at this thread.......can you even imagine the backlash if this had happened with Bush in office? The same dipshits who would be all over that are ok with it now...... ::)Not me, I would have been all over it under Bush just as I am Obama. But you're right, some of these people were screaming about the constitution under bush but now they're like, what's the big deal lol...
Not me, I would have been all over it under Bush just as I am Obama.
Again, don't fly. It's not your given right to fly. Don't be crying about the 4th amendment violation by airlines when you keep your mouth shut about the 2nd amendment violation they are doing as well.again, kiss my ass, don't tell me what to do.
Choosing selective parts of the Constitution to build an argument around while ignoring others is as stupid as watching Christians use the Bible to support their crying while ignoring other parts of it in direct contradiction.
Last time I checked, the TSA was not kicking in front doors and scanning people or patting them down. They were grabbing strangers off the street. That would be a direct constitutional violation. But if you buy a ticket, you follow their rules if you show up. It's that simple.
Don't like it, don't fly.
That wasn't directed at you........just look one post under yours...... ::)sorry, I added a bit more to the post above. just didn't get it added in time.
again, kiss my ass, don't tell me what to do.
I'm not telling you what to do. The airline is. Don't like it? Don't fly.::) no, you have to come up with a better argument fool...
So you can kiss my ass or come up with a better argument. Doesn't matter which to me as seeing you haven't been effective at either.
::) no, you have to come up with a better argument fool...
sorry, I added a bit more to the post above. just didn't get it added in time.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=356195.0
Hey, I scream louder than anyone about that Arizona rights violations.
I'm saying - if you want to fly on an airplane, run by a private company, it's a privledge, not a right. You can walk, ride a bike, take a train. if you don't like their policy, you don't NEED to use it.
Believe me - if a cop puts his hands on my body and searches and violates me without my consent - I'm the first to call beach bum and ask him for the ACLU's phone number. But if I disagree with the invasive policies of a car wash, a restaurant, or an airline - I'm free to choose not to use their service.
Israel profiles and they haven't had a hijacking or terrorist attack on their planes since what now, the 60s? Makes one think. :-X
What about business people who HAVE to travel using airlines? Don't give me the other options horseshit...if someone has to travel throughout the US, or especially overseas, they don't have a choice.....or should they just "find another job?" ::)
They are choosing a career which is dependent upon a private company for their transportation.
If I decide to open a lemonade stand at the north pole, I have no right to complain about having to pay outrageous dogsled prices to get me to work every day.
::) ::)
"240 - I am a libertarian"
and part of this freedom is allowing any company to operate as they please.
Would you go to israel and scream about how invasive their pre-flight screening is?
Or would you get on the plane and enjoy your safety?
I guess we're all off kilter a little... some people who scream about how wrong these searches are - are a-okay with giving police the power to pull over a person in AZ and demand birth cert or get deported.
Do you really think the "companies" ie: airlines are down with this? hahaha......it's the govt/TSA that is forcing it upon them. As independent companies, shouldn't they have the right to decide how THEIR passengers are searched by your logic? We all constantly fall under govt regulations, its just that some make sense and others are too far reaching.
As for the immigration comparison, I feel EVERY citizen of the US should be able to prove it when they are asked. I know why you feel how you do with the incident you had with the cops......but that somehow you see that a violation of your rights and this isn't is a weak argument. See it goes both ways....
The problem with that is that they wouldn't search anything as it wouldn't be the least bit cost-effective.
I agree, I was just making a point to 240 that you can't have it both ways. Why should airlines be told they have to condone the searches? because people don't HAVE to use the airlines, by his view, so shouldn't it be a choice and just inform the passengers?
Or how about putting the scanners as we get on buses as we don't HAVE to use buses.....or how about ships/boats?
Israel doesn't use these scanners, as you pointed out, and they have a great record thrwarting terrorist plane attacks......how about we follow their model?
Why are people directing their rage at Americans who disagree with their views on this topic and not at the religious demographic that is 100% responsible for this?
Exactly - EVERYONE knows who is the main culprit hee and most likely to commit acts of terrorism, and t is not granny.
???
I'm going to eat nothing but beans, steak and icecream for a week before the next time I fly and just see how they like some personal aroma in their faces......haha
Don't even start with the "shit on the left" bullshit. Nice try, but fail. And the feeble attempt to include separation of church and state? Meaningless.
You purchase a ticket you are abiding by the rules they have deemed necessary. Much like the TSA agreement on this and other internet fitness. You got the freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean you can spout off anything you want on a board that is run by someone else. There is the freedom of the press, but that doesn't mean that anyone with a camera can go to concerts and other places that forbid photography and just start snapping pics.
Full body scans are nothing more than a step up from the metal detectors. Are you complaining about metal detectors violating your rights? Cause hey, the 2nd Amendment allows freedom to carry guns. Poor bad airline won't let you do that either. Are you complaining about that too?
Get a fucking scan and be done with it. Or just find an alternative transportation mode. That way the line moves faster for the rest of us when insecure little dick right wingers are out of the way.
The TSA is not part of the airlines it is part of the government, so the whole ticket argument hold no water. It is the government that is forcing this bullshit, therefore it is a violation of the 4th Amendment. Airlines do not get to decide if their passengers get scanned or not.
You fucking dumbass left wingers just give away your constitutional rights without a second thought, therefore you don't deserve them.
Sending your bags through the xray so the contents can be seen is not new.
Having random inspections of your bags after proceeding through the metal detectors is not new.
Pat downs at times have already been conducted for a couple of years, so this isn't new.
Please supply links to where you posted against this outrage here as well. Those three instances above can constitute violation of the 4th Amendment. I am sure you cried about them too. Links to your rants please.
While you are at it, please supply links to where you cried about citizens having their 2nd Amendment violated by not being allowed to carry firearms on board. I am sure you have a few of those too.
Fucking dumbass right wingers just wanting to cry about something but ignoring the other instances. Typical.
Sending your bags through the xray so the contents can be seen is not new.
Having random inspections of your bags after proceeding through the metal detectors is not new.
Pat downs at times have already been conducted for a couple of years, so this isn't new.
Please supply links to where you posted against this outrage here as well. Those three instances above can constitute violation of the 4th Amendment. I am sure you cried about them too. Links to your rants please.
While you are at it, please supply links to where you cried about citizens having their 2nd Amendment violated by not being allowed to carry firearms on board. I am sure you have a few of those too.
Fucking dumbass right wingers just wanting to cry about something but ignoring the other instances. Typical.
A - Scan
B - Pat Down
C - Civil Fine
D - Stay at home
Take your pick. Learn to live with it or STFU.
What ever sheep, do what your told when your told, fucking punk ass.
And that bag screening did just about as much good to stop 9/11 as the any of this new shit they are forcing on us would have done
I don't have to take a pick and I will travel where I want, because last time I checked this is the USA not the soviet union. And as far as your ability to tell me or make me do any thing fucking please punk ass.
What's really going through lurker's mind: "I can let these asssholesss ruin dis for me. HM! This is the only time I get a chance to be manhandled and I wont let them getaway with taking that away...HMM! I just think about those people seeing me nude and PRESTO honey, it turn me on so much I fantasize for weeks over it... Hmmm!!!..."
Hardly. But nice try. Sounds like insecure projection from your end.
I have no problem going through the scan. If you do, perhaps you can talk with your therapist about why.
::)
and part of this freedom is allowing any company to operate as they please.
Hardly. But nice try. Sounds like insecure projection from your end.don't worry, we won't out you over this... ;D If you're a desperate homo, it's fine by me, I just don't want you stomping the constitution just to get a thrill.
I have no problem going through the scan. If you do, perhaps you can talk with your therapist about why.
::)
It's irrelevant that you have no problem with it, just because you are willing to relinquish your constitutional rights doesn't mean the rest of us do.
don't worry, we won't out you over this... ;D If you're a desperate homo, it's fine by me, I just don't want you stomping the constitution just to get a thrill.
Again, self projection on your end doesn't make for "outing" me on my end.I'm not talking about me, I'm not the one willing to get groped or seen nude by some dude I don't know. So how can it be a projection of myself? I don't see how that works lol... no, I'm pretty sure I'm talking about you....
If you got nothing else to fall back it's understandable. I wasn't expecting much to begin with.
Except this is about the federal government, not private companies.
and airports have the ability to say "No thank you, TSA, we do not want your services".they risk other airports cutting them off.
they risk other airports cutting them off.
and airports have the ability to say "No thank you, TSA, we do not want your services".
Really? So the federal government doesn't control air traffic? News to me.
I'm not talking about me, I'm not the one willing to get groped or seen nude by some dude I don't know. So how can it be a projection of myself? I don't see how that works lol... no, I'm pretty sure I'm talking about you....
Airports do have the ability to opt out of TSA for screening services. One in Florida did so this week. They can chose between (I believe 5) different private security services that are government approved.
Apparently not. Because I haven't said anything about getting groped or seen nude. You think a scan is going to be porno quality images? Okkkaaayyyy!still not logical. You're the one that doesn't seem to mind. I never said they were porno quality images ::) End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc... That's some sick shit bro. This is a government agency violating the constitution. I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved. These are policies set by the government. Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives. You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure... Sounds stupid to me. That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.
Yep, self projection from your end at work here. You can try to take your insecurities out on me but it is not going to work.
Do those private security services have to follow procedures mandated by the federal government?
still not logical. You're the one that doesn't seem to mind. I never said they were porno quality images ::) End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc... That's some sick shit bro. This is a government agency violating the constitution. I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved. These are policies set by the government. Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives. You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure... Sounds stupid to me. That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.
still not logical. You're the one that doesn't seem to mind. I never said they were porno quality images ::) End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc... That's some sick shit bro. This is a government agency violating the constitution. I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved. These are policies set by the government. Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives. You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure... Sounds stupid to me. That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.
Is there proof that these machines have more radiation content than typical Xrays? I would doubt it seeing that xrays penetrate much deeper. I didn't see any depth beyond clothing in the images. No bones, significant organ imaging..Proof that they have more radiation than medical X-Rays?.. no dumbass... Everyone knows these body scans are at a lower exposure. I've already posted it, did you not read the threads on the subject before shooting your mouth off? The rest isn't worth commenting on if you havn't done the reading...
If you go to a museum and they want to scan or pat you down, you can easily say no. They can easily say "The exit is that way". Same thing here.
Flying is not a constitutional right. Once you purchase a flight ticket you are already submitting and agreeing to the rules anyway.
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
CBS ^ | 11/19/2010
OMG ::) You have no idea what is going through my mind right now... pretty much can't say... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I am taking a flight in February - someone feels up my girl like that in public - you will read about the aftermath in the NY Post.
What is the deal with kids/babies? Seems like this overdose of radiation on an adult can't be good, what about small children?
I had an argument with a buddy of mine last night. He is a former US Marshall an hispanic who agrees with all this crap.
I said: "Bro - give me one example in the last ten years of a white, black, or hispanic person trying to hijack an American airline to commit an act of intl terrorism justifying this craziness?"
SILENCE!
My argument with my friend was this:
"We all know who is most likely to commit the terrorism, so why focus all this effort on a portion of the people statistically irrelevent to any conversation such as 90 y/o grannies, etc etc?"
He gave me the typical law enforcement nonsense of being that "anyone and everyone is a potential suspect" blah blah.
Typical.
Tell him REAL cops don't agree......when my brother was a cop in south florida during the drug years of the late 80's and 90's he said he was asked by a scumbag he arrested....."Why are you always arresting black people?" his response was "Because you are commiting the crimes" US marshall is a political position, much like the FBI.
Proof that they have more radiation than medical X-Rays?.. no dumbass... Everyone knows these body scans are at a lower exposure. I've already posted it, did you not read the threads on the subject before shooting your mouth off? The rest isn't worth commenting on if you havn't done the reading...
Is there proof X-rays are harmful? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... ::)
Yea, at any level they can be. It depends on a lot of factors doesn't it? Probably more factors than I can name. Are you older than shit, are you to young, do you have a compromised immune system, do you have a family history of skin canser... any way you want to cut it, it's still ionizing radiation. With the amount of people going through these scanners, there will be a number of those who are condemded to death for going through them. That's just a fact you don't give a shit about.
being exposed to X-rays" When in fact they are not xrays at all are they? Nor are they expending more radiation are they? And your point of saying they were is what again? Besides nothing. Seems that everyone knew this EXCEPT YOU. Perhaps you should get your facts straight and post accordingly. Then you won't be corrected again on it.
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
CBS ^ | 11/19/2010
(CBS) A flight attendant and cancer survivor said she was forced to remove and show her prosthetic breast to a TSA agent during a security pat-down.
Cathy Bossi of Charlotte, who has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, told CBS Affiliate WBTV that in August she was asked to go through the new full-body scanners at Charlotte Douglas International Airport.
As a 3-year breast cancer survivor Bossi said she didn't want the added radiation through her body, but reluctantly agreed.
"The TSA agent told me to put my ID on my back," Boss told WBTV correspondent Molly Grantham. "When I got out of there, she said because my ID was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."
Bossi was taken to a private room where two female Charlotte TSA agents began what she calls an "aggressive" pat-down.
Bossi said the exam halted when they got around to feeling her right breast - the one where she'd had surgery.
"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?' Bossi recalled. "And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that.'"
Bossi was asked to remove her prosthetic breast from her bra and show it to the agent.
She said she did not take down the name of the agent because of the "horrific" nature of the experience.
"It just blew my mind. I couldn't believe that somebody had done that to me,'" she told WBTV.
Bossi has since contacted the flight attendants union's Legislative Affairs Team.
She says there are better alternatives to such intrusive examinations.
"There are blowers and there are dogs that could sniff out bombs," she said. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."
A TSA representative told WBTV that agents are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic, but aren’t supposed to remove them. Later, the TSA contacted the station and said they would review the Bossi matter.
I never said Xrays were not harmful. Where did you read that? Certainly not in any of my replies. Completely irrelevant little spout off there. Try harder.you know what happens when you start playing stupid with my replies... yup, I probably won't bother responding...
You were the one stating "" When in fact they are not xrays at all are they? Nor are they expending more radiation are they? And your point of saying they were is what again? Besides nothing. Seems that everyone knew this EXCEPT YOU. Perhaps you should get your facts straight and post accordingly. Then you won't be corrected again on it.
It may not be a constitutional right but according to this:
US Code - Section 40103: Sovereignty and use:
(a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit. - (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. To further that right, the Secretary of Transportation shall consult with the Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board established under section 502 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 792) before prescribing a regulation or issuing an order or procedure that will have a significant impact on the accessibility of commercial airports or commercial air transportation for handicapped individuals.
Really? So the federal government doesn't control air traffic? News to me.
An airport in orlando has decided to use a private firm instead of the TSA. Did you know that?
I heard. They still have to use the same procedures established by TSA and are still controlled by the federal government. Did you know that?
So the fingerbang is still in full effect?
Which politicians have gone on record about this so far?
240 - do you want to get groped?
you think i'm flying after that un-investigated mess on 911?
You must be high, brah.
So the fingerbang is still in full effect?
Which politicians have gone on record about this so far?
you know what happens when you start playing stupid with my replies...
I begin to point out your stupidity? Is that it? Because after that last post of yours that is all I can think of.you didn't point out anything stupid. ::)
Is there proof that these machines have more radiation content than typical Xrays? I would doubt it seeing that xrays penetrate much deeper. I didn't see any depth beyond clothing in the images. No bones, significant organ imaging.
Again, you cry about this, but not about how the exact same company already violates your 4th Amendment rights with their current practices along with the 1st and 2nd Amendment too. You want to be insecure and paranoid, go ahead. You can push those qualities along with your self projections on others too if they are stupid enough to follow you.
you think i'm flying after that un-investigated mess on 911?
You must be high, brah.
..Thank you Bush for showing that the silly old paper we call our Constitution wasn't worth the ink it was written with...
Everyone already knew Bush was going to fail...
...Failed to uphold basic Constitutional values...
;D
I've been through it twice... Once was the "optional" back in the day, the other was the required about 2 weeks ago.lol what the hell are you trying to say? :-X
If someone is staring and my junk, that's on them.
lol what the hell are you trying to say? :-X
a friend of mine was flying home from vegas on wednesday. When they scanned his carry on, they found a knife in a little hidden pocket he had forgoten about. The woman(tsa agent) asked about it and he just said that he forgot he even had that knife. She asked if he wanted it mailed back home and he said "no just keep it". She let him go...didnt make him go through any additional scanning/patdown. Meanwhile he said he saw an 80yr old woman getting patted down off to the side.all of this seems so absurd to me... Maybe I'm just from a place that time forgot... I grew up in Wyoming, we carried pocket knives with us to school or wherever we went and nobody gave a shit. 5th graders sitting there sharpening their pencils with pocket knives, now it's a national security threat to have a fucking pocket knife ::) After school or in the summer we would head up to the hillsides and target practice with our .22 rifles, nobody worried about us walking around with rifles and we were just kids.
Hugo - we have become a pussy nation. We are a sad sack of soft, scared, weak, petrified, pain averse obsessives who don't deserve freedom any more.You're right, but what makes me even more sick is that the Obama admin considers me a "domestic extremist" for saying the things I do? You have got to be fucking kidding me, is this for real?
Whether its the zero tolerance crap in the schools, the stupid drug laws, the idiotic way we treat college kids or even high school seniors having a beer, video game cry babies, the whole "concerned mothers" bullshit, etc etc, we are simply not worthy of freedom any more.
Sad but true.
You're right, but what makes me even more sick is that the Obama admin considers me a "domestic extremist" for saying the things I do? You have got to be fucking kidding me, is this for real?
Yes! Remember when they called 2nd amend advocates and those against illegals domestic terrorists?seriously, this guy needs impeached asap. He is worse than bush because all he has done is to add onto all the things we hated about Bush. I wanted bush impeached, therefore, I want Obama impeached even more. This guy is a walking violation of the constitution.
Bush did the same crap. Its one of the reasons I want to puke even looking at him on TV. Remember he called those against illegal immigration "vigilantes" and said people against harriet meirs was because she was a woman?
Bush/obama seems like blood brother twins to me at this point, but obama took it a few steps further.
I posted a story about two weeks ago about a town councilman calling the cops on 10 y/o for selling cupcakes in the park. I posted another about 7 men getting arrested for playing chess in a park.
We are over regulated, over legislated, over policed, adn seeking this fantasy land bullshit society that will never exist and destroying all freedom and propsertiy in the meantime.
a friend of mine was flying home from vegas on wednesday. When they scanned his carry on, they found a knife in a little hidden pocket he had forgoten about. The woman(tsa agent) asked about it and he just said that he forgot he even had that knife. She asked if he wanted it mailed back home and he said "no just keep it". She let him go...didnt make him go through any additional scanning/patdown. Meanwhile he said he saw an 80yr old woman getting patted down off to the side.
all of this seems so absurd to me... Maybe I'm just from a place that time forgot... I grew up in Wyoming, we carried pocket knives with us to school or wherever we went and nobody gave a shit. 5th graders sitting there sharpening their pencils with pocket knives, now it's a national security threat to have a fucking pocket knife ::) After school or in the summer we would head up to the hillsides and target practice with our .22 rifles, nobody worried about us walking around with rifles and we were just kids.
If I'm going to fly, and some jackass pops up with a box cutter or pocket knife, I'm not in the least bit worried. He better have a better plan than his knife. I'll take that thing and have it into his neck in seconds. And I was trained for that shit as many in America who served were. Most likely I wouldn't even get to him first, others would gang rush his ass and he would panic and toss the knife before getting the crap beat out of him.
I guess I oppose all of this in every way because this isn't remotely close to the America I grew up in. It's been sickly distorted and changed and I want the America I grew up in back. If I could go back in time and stay, I would, but I can't so I just have to oppose what seems retarded as I perceive it.
I see this all the time. Ridiculous.
Hugo - we have become a pussy nation. We are a sad sack of soft, scared, weak, petrified, pain averse obsessives who don't deserve freedom any more.
Whether its the zero tolerance crap in the schools, the stupid drug laws, the idiotic way we treat college kids or even high school seniors having a beer, video game cry babies, the whole "concerned mothers" bullshit, etc etc, we are simply not worthy of freedom any more.
Sad but true.
Hugo - we have become a pussy nation. We are a sad sack of soft, scared, weak, petrified, pain averse obsessives who don't deserve freedom any more.
Whether its the zero tolerance crap in the schools, the stupid drug laws, the idiotic way we treat college kids or even high school seniors having a beer, video game cry babies, the whole "concerned mothers" bullshit, etc etc, we are simply not worthy of freedom any more.
Sad but true.
This video has gone viral on youtube today. When will this madness stop? If I was the parent of that kid I would knock that bitch the f**k out!
Stupid fat TSA bitch is just a mindless useful idiot for big government intrusion. Janet Napalitano should be brought up on criminal charges for allowing this stuff to happen.
I'd be interested in something like this . . . depending on what information they're asking for.I figured your indignation would only go so far... Ignore the ramifications of it all and join up for the pre screened credit checked full family history we know your full life story line...
TSA takes first steps toward 'trusted travel' program
By Mike M. Ahlers, CNN
July 14, 2011
Washington (CNN) -- After hinting for months that he would start a "trusted traveler" program to expedite security screening for air passengers, TSA Chief John Pistole took his first step in that direction Thursday, announcing a pilot program to ease screening for passengers who voluntarily release certain information about themselves.
The pilot test is based on U.S. customs programs and initially will be available only to certain participants in the customs program and a limited number of air travelers. Those include certain frequent fliers on two airlines -- American and Delta -- flying out of certain airports. Delta passengers must be flying out of Atlanta and Detroit airports, and American Airlines passengers must be flying out of Miami and Dallas airports.
But if it is successful, the program would likely be expanded to include other air travelers who voluntarily give additional information about themselves.
Currently, the TSA vets passenger lists against "watch lists" of known or suspected terrorists. But the TSA is working with a very limited amount of information about those passengers -- namely a person's full name, date of birth and gender. Under "trusted traveler" programs, travelers voluntarily surrender more information about themselves, giving the government more assurances of who they are.
In recent years, there has been a drumbeat of calls for the TSA to adopt a trusted traveler program. Congress and critics have stepped up that demand following two highly publicized incidents, one involving the search of a 6-year-old girl, and the other involving a 95-year-old cancer patient. In both case, the TSA has said the airport screeners were following established protocols.
But the TSA also has said it is working towards a "risk-based" trusted traveler program that could expedite travel for people believed to present little risk to aviation.
The pilot program will begin this fall.
"These improvements will enable our officers to focus their efforts on higher risk areas," Pistole said. "Enhancing identity-based screening is another common sense step in the right direction as we continue to strengthen overall security and improve the passenger experience whenever possible."
During the first phase of testing, certain frequent fliers and all members of Custom and Border Protection's Trusted Traveler programs, including Global Entry, SENTRI, and NEXUS who are U.S. citizens, will be eligible to participate.
The TSA said it plans to expand this pilot program to include United, Southwest, JetBlue, US Airways, Alaska Airlines and Hawaiian airlines, as well as additional airports, once operationally ready.
The TSA said Pistole will work with Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Alan Bersin and the airlines to determine passenger eligibility for this screening pilot, which is limited to U.S. citizens and is voluntary.
All passengers in this pilot are subject to recurrent security checks.
Security experts have long expressed concern about so-called "clean skins" -- potential terrorists who enroll in "trusted traveler" programs to avoid scrutiny during a terror mission. But the TSA says it will continue to incorporate random and unpredictable security measures to address such concerns.
Pistole said other layers of security will remain in place, including intelligence gathering and analysis, explosive-detection canine teams, federal air marshals, closed-circuit television monitoring and behavior detection officers.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/07/14/tsa.trusted.traveler/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
We used to shoot each other w bb guns for fun.
Saw a lady yesterday go through secondary screening. She looked about 70+ years old, white, pretty feeble. I was thinking: yes, please protect me from this suspected terrorist. ::)Don't worry, once you sign onto the trusted traveler program, you can pass all that and not see that evil shit anymore ::)
Don't worry, once you sign onto the trusted traveler program, you can pass all that and not see that evil shit anymore ::)
I already bypass most of that stuff and I still see it.well now you can bypass it and not care about it. ::)
A vote for Rick Perry is a vote to continue this madness at our airports. He intentionally blocked the Texas House's TSA anti-grope bill which passed unanimously by all house members.fuck, for some reason I was under the impression that he supported the Texas bill on this. I've been reading so much shit I must have got crosswired lol... Yea, fuck Perry if he's the on that screwed this bill from becoming Texas Law.
Exactly.This.