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Title: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on October 16, 2010, 10:21:49 AM
Boooo!   >:(

New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
By Star-Advertiser Staff
POSTED: 01:22 p.m. HST, Oct 15, 2010


(http://media.staradvertiser.com/images/300*451/20101015SECURITY+SCANNER+1.jpg)
John Brandon, Transportation Security Manager, stands inside of Advanced Imaging Technology scanner.

The Transportation Security Administration this morning unveiled a new advanced imaging technology for passengers at the Honolulu Airport.

The new scanners can look through a person's clothing to produce full-body images.

The TSA said the technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats, including explosives.

This summer Lihue Airport became the first airport in the state to begin screening passengers with the advanced imaging device.

Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.

Passengers also have the option of going through a body search, rather than using the device.

The TSA hopes to have 500 airports equipped with the advanced imaging scanners by the end of this year and 1,100 by the end of next year.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/New_full_body_scanners_at_Honolulu_Airport_unveiled.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 16, 2010, 10:32:16 AM
I'm all for it.  Only people who should be worried are terrorists and little dicks. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 16, 2010, 10:33:26 AM
I'm all for it.  Only people who should be worried are terrorists and little dicks. 

That thing looks like dollars are going to start flying around and the guy has to grab as much he can.  Like a game show. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on October 16, 2010, 10:35:16 AM
I'll be going through it this week.  I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner? 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on October 16, 2010, 10:39:36 AM
hawaiians will do anything for a cheap thrill
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 16, 2010, 03:29:54 PM
I'll be going through it this week.  I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner? 
it's not even optional now? 

This stuff is going to just keep getting worse, good thread bb.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Skeletor on October 16, 2010, 03:38:18 PM
Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.

Does anyone believe the TSA anymore?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html

These scanners are just the beginning, I think in the future even more invasive and oppressive measures will be enforced.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Deicide on October 16, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Boooo!   >:(

New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
By Star-Advertiser Staff
POSTED: 01:22 p.m. HST, Oct 15, 2010


(http://media.staradvertiser.com/images/300*451/20101015SECURITY+SCANNER+1.jpg)
John Brandon, Transportation Security Manager, stands inside of Advanced Imaging Technology scanner.

The Transportation Security Administration this morning unveiled a new advanced imaging technology for passengers at the Honolulu Airport.

The new scanners can look through a person's clothing to produce full-body images.

The TSA said the technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats, including explosives.

This summer Lihue Airport became the first airport in the state to begin screening passengers with the advanced imaging device.

Suzanne Trevino, a spokeswoman for the TSA said this summer that passengers' privacy is protected in several ways. The face of the subject is blurred; the security officer who sees the image never sees the actual passenger (and would radio a second officer if an anomaly showed up); and images are erased before the next passenger is scanned. The machine cannot store or transmit images, she said.

Passengers also have the option of going through a body search, rather than using the device.

The TSA hopes to have 500 airports equipped with the advanced imaging scanners by the end of this year and 1,100 by the end of next year.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/New_full_body_scanners_at_Honolulu_Airport_unveiled.html

I thought you of all people would love this.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on October 16, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
it's not even optional now?  

This stuff is going to just keep getting worse, good thread bb.

Not optional.  I went through one in LAX a few weeks ago.  I'm just thrilled to have them here now.   >:(
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on October 16, 2010, 05:11:40 PM
I thought you of all people would love this.

That's what you get for thinking.   :)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 16, 2010, 09:08:16 PM
Not optional.  I went through one in LAX a few weeks ago.  I'm just thrilled to have them here now.   >:(
lol, remember when they first came out, still a matter of months ago, they pushed it as ok because it wasn't manditory.  They said people didn't have to do it.  It's not even a year later and they've already dumped that.  this is sick and wrong.  Now we see that police departments are getting backscatter vans to roam the streets with so they can see everything in our cars and homes.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: garebear on October 16, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
I'll be going through it this week.  I wonder what would happen if I flipped them the bird while I'm in the scanner? 
I hate it when you're on the internet.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 16, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
I hate it when you're on the internet.
are you serious?  IMO this is BB's finest moment ;D
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: mental_masturbator on October 16, 2010, 10:58:13 PM
Behold!  It's the Naked-iser 3000.  It unzips your DNA.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2010, 08:39:30 AM
Seriously, why is everyone worried about the damn scanner?  Being insecure can't be that bad.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 17, 2010, 08:50:44 AM
Seriously, why is everyone worried about the damn scanner?  Being insecure can't be that bad.
wtf does that mean? insecure?  I'm not insecure...  you're kidding right,...oh my bust lol....
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on October 17, 2010, 08:58:20 AM
I hate it when you're on the internet.

Stay off the internet.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Deicide on October 17, 2010, 08:59:23 AM
wtf does that mean? insecure?  I'm not insecure...  you're kidding right,...oh my bust lol....

The TSA is such crap, just lame added bureacracy.

A couple of months ago they interrogated my gf (who is a frail young Korean girl) for over 2 hours at JFK. Of course, she looks like a terrorist so... ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 13, 2010, 06:07:11 AM
Growing backlash against TSA body scanners, pat-downs
By Phil Gast, CNN
November 12, 2010

(CNN) -- A growing pilot and passenger revolt over full-body scans and what many consider intrusive pat-downs couldn't have come at a worse time for the nation's air travel system.

Thanksgiving, the busiest travel time of the year, is less than two weeks away.

Grassroots groups are urging travelers to either not fly or to protest by opting out of the full-body scanners and undergo time-consuming pat-downs instead.

Such concerns prompted a meeting Friday of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano with leaders of travel industry groups.

Napolitano met with the U.S.Travel Association and 20 travel companies "to underscore the Department's continued commitment to partnering with the nation's travel and tourism industry to facilitate the flow of trade and travel while maintaining high security standards to protect the American people," the department said in a statement.

Federal officials have increased security in the wake of plots attributed to al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

Industry leaders are worried about the grassroots backlash to Transportation Security Administration security procedures. Some pilots, passengers and flight attendants have chosen to opt out of the revealing scans.

More of the units are arriving at airports, with 1,000 expected to be in place by the end of 2011.

"While the meeting with Secretary Napolitano was informative, it was not entirely reassuring," the U.S. Travel Association said in a statement.
"We certainly understand the challenges that DHS confronts, but the question remains, 'where do we draw the line'? Our country desperately needs a long-term vision for aviation security screening, rather than an endless reaction to yesterday's threat," the statement said. "At the same time, fundamental American values must be protected."

The travel industry is concerned that consumers may decide not to take a plane to Aunt Gertrude's for the holiday.

"We have received hundreds of e-mails and phone calls from travelers vowing to stop flying," Geoff Freeman, an executive vice president of the U.S. Travel Association, told Reuters.

A 2008 survey found that air travelers "avoided" 41 million trips because they believed the air travel system was either "broken" or in need of "moderate correction," the U.S. Travel Association said. The decisions cost airlines $9.4 billion, the survey said.

One online group, "National Opt Out Day" calls for a day of protest against the scanners on Wednesday, November 24, the busiest travel day of the year.

Another group argues the TSA should remove the scanners from all airports. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a non-profit privacy advocacy group, is taking legal action, saying the TSA should be required to conduct a public rule-making to evaluate the privacy, security and health risks caused by the body scanners.

Pilots' unions for US Airways and American Airlines are urging their members to avoid full-body scanning at airport security checkpoints, citing health risks and concerns about intrusiveness and security officer behavior.

"Pilots should NOT submit to AIT (Advanced Imaging Technology) screening," wrote Capt. Mike Cleary, president of the U.S. Airline Pilots Association, in a letter to members this week. USAPA represents more than 5,000 US Airways pilots.

"Based on currently available medical information, USAPA has determined that frequent exposure to TSA-operated scanner devices may subject pilots to significant health risks," Cleary wrote.

Napolitano told industry leaders that biometric identification, such as retinal scanning and thorough background checks will expedite the screening of 80,000 passengers who participate in "trusted traveler" programs, the department said.

But the chorus against the security measures is getting louder.

The website "We Won't Fly" urgers travelers to "Act now. Travel with Dignity."

"We are opposed to the full-body backscatter X-ray airport scanners on grounds of health and privacy. We do not consent to strip searches, virtual or otherwise. We do not wish to be guinea pigs for new, and possibly dangerous, technology. We are not criminals. We are your customers. We will not beg the government anymore. We will simply stop flying until the porno-scanners are history," the site says.

"National Opt Out Day," organized by Brian Sodegren, encourages solidarity on November 24, amid the crush of Thanksgiving travelers.

"It's the day ordinary citizens stand up for their rights, stand up for liberty, and protest the federal government's desire to virtually strip us naked or submit to an "enhanced pat-down" that touches people's breasts and genitals. You should never have to explain to your children, 'Remember that no stranger can touch or see your private area, unless it's a government employee, then it's OK.' "

According to the group, passengers who say "I opt out" when told to go through body scanners are submitted to a pat-down.

"Be sure to have your pat-down by TSA in full public -- do not go to the back room when asked. Every citizen must see for themselves how the government treats law-abiding citizens," the website says.

The Facebook page of the group includes a litany of complaints about the scanners.

"I'm completely appalled by this," one woman wrote. "What happened to our right to privacy? Has Homeland Security forgotten our rights because they think its going to stop terrorists?"

Meanwhile, the Council on American-Islamic Relations has issued its own travel advisory over pat-downs many "describe as invasive and humiliating."

Muslim women who wear a hijab and are selected for secondary screening because of a head scarf should remind TSA officers "that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They should not subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down," the group said.

The TSA has deployed nearly 350 advanced imaging technology (body scanner) units in nearly 70 U.S. airports, administrator John Pistole said recently. "By the end of calendar year 2011, we plan to have deployed approximately 1,000 units."

The agency is exploring enhancements to the technology.

"This capability would make screening more efficient and would eliminate most privacy concerns about the technology," Pistole said.
Privacy concerns aren't the only reason for protests.

Some scientists and two major airline pilots unions contend not enough is known about the effects of the small doses of X-ray radiation emitted by one of the two types of airport scanning machines.

The Transportation Security Administration's advanced imaging technology machines use two separate means of creating images of passengers -- backscatter X-ray technology and millimeter-wave technology.

While the TSA says the machines are safe, backscatter technology raises concerns among some because it uses small doses of ionizing radiation. The use of millimeter-wave technology hasn't received the same attention, and radiation experts say it poses no known health risks.

The risk of harmful radiation exposure from backscatter scans is very small, according to David Brenner, director of the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University and a professor of radiation biophysics.

The TSA says the technology has been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Devices and Radiological Health, the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/12/travel.screening/index.html?iref=NS1
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 13, 2010, 06:16:29 AM
BB, I know we don't get along, but for this, I totally agree with you. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 13, 2010, 06:22:59 AM
BB, I know we don't get along, but for this, I totally agree with you. 

Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with.  I don't even know you.  Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know.  In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me). 

In any event, I'm really upset about this.  It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport.  I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 13, 2010, 06:28:38 AM
You know some things to think about, as this annoys the shit out of me, is that how long before someone hacks into the TSA's database of these images and starts spreading them on the net?  And how would someone feel if their 12 or 13 yr old daughter had some 300lb drooling TSA slob oggling his daughters image during this?  I just think its a step too far.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: OzmO on November 13, 2010, 08:23:45 AM
Quote
"What happened to our right to privacy? Has Homeland Security forgotten our rights because they think its going to stop terrorists?"

Exactly.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 13, 2010, 08:58:32 AM
Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with.  I don't even know you.  Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know.  In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me). 

In any event, I'm really upset about this.  It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport.  I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.
Opt out when you can and CLAP for those who do opt out.  When you opt out and they start yelling, "OPT OUT!!! OPT OUT!!!!" you start yelling the same thing with them and even louder and clap while you're doing it.  If they freak out just calmly tell them you thought they were joining in the nationwide protest of opting out and you only thought you were joining in with them...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Deicide on November 13, 2010, 10:09:27 AM
Just to clarify, there isn't a person on this site that I don't get along with.  I don't even know you.  Some people may not like me, which is dumb because I don't really know anyone on this site, but I don't dislike people I don't know.  In fact, I can count on one hand the people I know in real life that I don't like (and who don't like me). 

In any event, I'm really upset about this.  It's going to be a struggle not to create an incident at the airport.  I already have a hard enough time keeping my mouth shut and not making some goofball remark when going through security.

Weird that they don't have them at JFK, which is a much bigger and more important airport, at least I didn't see any last time.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 13, 2010, 10:31:41 AM
Weird that they don't have them at JFK, which is a much bigger and more important airport, at least I didn't see any last time.
I guess you haven't seen the squedule for how many they'll have by the end of 2011.  I bet you they are in every major airport well before we hit the end of 2011 including JFK...


OOPS, to late, I win ;D

Body scanners unveiled at JFK Airport; Homeland Security Sect. Janet Napolitano doesn't volunteer

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/22/2010-10-22_body_scanners_unveiled_at_jfk_airport_homeland_security_sect_janet_napolitano_do.html#ixzz15Bl3LpFr
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/22/2010-10-22_body_scanners_unveiled_at_jfk_airport_homeland_security_sect_janet_napolitano_do.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Skeletor on November 13, 2010, 10:32:11 AM
Opt out when you can and CLAP for those who do opt out.  When you opt out and they start yelling, "OPT OUT!!! OPT OUT!!!!" you start yelling the same thing with them and even louder and clap while you're doing it.  If they freak out just calmly tell them you thought they were joining in the nationwide protest of opting out and you only thought you were joining in with them...

I'd bet that the TSA and subsequently the cops would call this "disorderly conduct" and could even arrest people if the TSA decides to follow a hard line on this (which is likely as more and more people seem to react). It's good that people react though, I thought there would be no reaction to these ridiculous measures.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 13, 2010, 10:39:34 AM
I'd bet that the TSA and subsequently the cops would call this "disorderly conduct" and could even arrest people if the TSA decides to follow a hard line on this (which is likely as more and more people seem to react). It's good that people react though, I thought there would be no reaction to these ridiculous measures.
It's disorderly conduct for them to be yelling opt out to intimidate people.  There's already one video on youtube of a TSA agent being ordered down by police.  If they can yell opt out, they're going to have a hard time in court explaining why you can't yell the same two words.  The key is to respond to TSA as soon as they make a request.  The guy is going to have to stop yelling opt out in order to ask you to stop.  When he asks you to stop, you just stop.  There will be no arrest and if there is, it will not go anywhere.  There will also be no problem clapping.  Especially if word catches on and they start encountering it more frequently.  These guys are behaving like nazis, don't be hearded like sheep.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on November 13, 2010, 09:10:07 PM
Not optional.  I went through one in LAX a few weeks ago.  I'm just thrilled to have them here now.   >:(

The article says it is optional.  Were you referring to another airport?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 13, 2010, 10:21:28 PM
http://epic.org/privacy/body_scanners/body_scanner_faq.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 13, 2010, 11:53:48 PM
check this out, if you refuse, you'll be fined $10,000 and TSA will bring a civil suit against you.

 http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 14, 2010, 12:23:30 AM
The travel industry is concerned that consumers may decide not to take a plane to Aunt Gertrude's for the holiday.

"We have received hundreds of e-mails and phone calls from travelers vowing to stop flying," Geoff Freeman, an executive vice president of the U.S. Travel Association, told Reuters.

A 2008 survey found that air travelers "avoided" 41 million trips because they believed the air travel system was either "broken" or in need of "moderate correction," the U.S. Travel Association said. The decisions cost airlines $9.4 billion, the survey said.

cont... http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/12/travel.screening/


“You can’t talk on the one hand about creating jobs in this country and getting this economy back on track and on the other hand discourage millions of Americans from flying, which is the gateway to commerce,”
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AA55S20101111

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 14, 2010, 01:03:58 AM
statistically someone is going to get skin cancer from these X-rays," Dr Michael Love, who runs an X-ray lab at the department of biophysics and biophysical chemistry at Johns Hopkins University school of medicine, told AFP.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/body-scanners-dangerous-scientists/
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 14, 2010, 07:32:00 AM
They are turning us all into cattle to be herded into cramped, smelly, stinking quarters. and told to STFU and like it. 

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 14, 2010, 08:39:53 AM
The article says it is optional.  Were you referring to another airport?

No.  When I went through LAX I had no idea it was optional.  Didn't look optional to me. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 14, 2010, 08:41:08 AM
No.  When I went through LAX I had no idea it was optional.  Didn't look optional to me. 

Ha ha ha-  the tsa guy probably wanted to feel you up so he told you it was mandatory.   ;D  ;D
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 14, 2010, 08:42:53 AM
Ha ha ha-  the tsa guy probably wanted to feel you up so he told you it was mandatory.   ;D  ;D

lol.  Nah.  Nobody touched me.  
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 225for70 on November 14, 2010, 09:06:16 AM
No.  When I went through LAX I had no idea it was optional.  Didn't look optional to me. 

You should have asked man?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 14, 2010, 09:12:10 AM
You should have asked man?

In hindsight, yes, I should have asked. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 14, 2010, 09:13:41 AM
I am in good shape, and sport 7.75 inches with some decent thickness.

So I look fwd to these intrusive scanners.  I might even ask to go through repeatedly, or for a supervisor to come out, hoping it'll be a hot blonde who demands a cavity search as a result of her X-rayted [sic] lust.

I am a little nervous about them being able to see the turds in my stomach, so perhaps I will eat a light lunch that day?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 14, 2010, 09:15:08 AM
lol.  Nah.  Nobody touched me. 

You should lower the carbs.  Get in some more cardio.  At your age, the metabolism alone isn't enough for you, nor is working out twice a week.

hit the iron hard, keep the diet smart, and you'll be attractive enough to feel up in no time at all!
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 14, 2010, 09:18:44 AM
I am in good shape, and sport 7.75 inches with some decent thickness.

So I look fwd to these intrusive scanners.  I might even ask to go through repeatedly, or for a supervisor to come out, hoping it'll be a hot blonde who demands a cavity search as a result of her X-rayted [sic] lust.

I am a little nervous about them being able to see the turds in my stomach, so perhaps I will eat a light lunch that day?

From the looks of you, I really dont think they care about your biceps bro.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 14, 2010, 09:19:12 AM
You should lower the carbs.  Get in some more cardio.  At your age, the metabolism alone isn't enough for you, nor is working out twice a week.

hit the iron hard, keep the diet smart, and you'll be attractive enough to feel up in no time at all!

Yawn.  Quit trying to act like you know me boy.  Stick to the issues.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 225for70 on November 14, 2010, 11:07:17 AM
I am in good shape, and sport 7.75 inches with some decent thickness.

So I look fwd to these intrusive scanners.  I might even ask to go through repeatedly, or for a supervisor to come out, hoping it'll be a hot blonde who demands a cavity search as a result of her X-rayted [sic] lust.

I am a little nervous about them being able to see the turds in my stomach, so perhaps I will eat a light lunch that day?

You wouldn't look so forward if you traveled for your job.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 14, 2010, 11:50:03 AM
Check out the picture in this thread! 

hot woman! 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2627026/posts?q=1&;page=51

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 14, 2010, 02:58:47 PM
 :o
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 14, 2010, 03:12:20 PM
Yawn.  Quit trying to act like you know me boy.  Stick to the issues.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: buc1994 on November 14, 2010, 06:03:35 PM
I like the way the Israelis are doing it...

The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.

It's an armored booth you step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your person. Israel sees this as a win-win situation for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling.  It will also eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion.  Shortly thereafter, an announcement: "Attention standby passengers - we now have a seat available on flight 6709. Shalom!"
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 14, 2010, 06:11:19 PM
It's an armored booth you step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your person. Israel sees this as a win-win situation for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling.  It will also eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion.  Shortly thereafter, an announcement: "Attention standby passengers - we now have a seat available on flight 6709. Shalom!"

HAHAHAH!!!!  That's awesome!! 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 14, 2010, 06:45:57 PM
Check out the picture in this thread! 

hot woman! 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2627026/posts?q=1&;page=51


that one is not really from one of the body scanners.  It's a pic someone got from an artist's nude pose book and inverted to make it look like a scan then changed it back.  It MAY have been placed on the net by the industry profiting from these scanners or one of their lobbyists or just an advocate.  The idea is that it's grabbed up by many who say, "see look at what you can see with these scanners"  Then once it's across the net, they can lower the hammer by proving it to be a hoax and point out the real origin of the photo.  This is very effective in controlling the debate as everyone is then focussed on the hoax.  Someone did the same thing with the food bill I was making an issue of.  I'm thinking it's probably pretty common for lobbyist to play tricks like this.  I can't prove it, but seeing how these items like to pop up on very controversial issues, it makes me wonder. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 15, 2010, 06:40:51 PM
check this out, if you refuse, you'll be fined $10,000 and TSA will bring a civil suit against you.

 http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html
bump for this post.  Ron has it posted in general and someone just pm'd me with this, so it's a good read.  I can't believe they'll sue your ass and fine you 10,000 if you want to refuse being felt up or exposed to a nude scan.

Thanks Obama!!!!!!!!  This is the change we wanted....
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 15, 2010, 06:50:58 PM
I hear muslim women are getting a pass on this. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 15, 2010, 06:53:20 PM
Napolitano: ‘Adjustments,’ ‘More to Come’ on Women in Hijabs Undergoing..Pat-Downs (Dhimmi Alert)
CNS ^ | 11/15/10 | Nick Ballsy


When asked today if she will insist that Muslim women wearing hijabs must go through full body pat downs before boarding planes, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano did not say yes or no, but told CNSNews.com there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue.

“On the pat downs, CAIR [the Council on American-Islamic Relations] has recommended that Muslim women wearing hijabs refuse to go through the full body pat downs before boarding planes,” CNSNews.com asked Napolitano at a Monday press conference. “Will you insist that they do go through full body pat downs before boarding planes?”

“Look, we have, like I said before, we are doing what we need to do to protect the traveling public and adjustments will be made where they need to be made,” Napolitano responded. “With respect to that particular issue, I think there will be more to come. But, again, the goal here, you know, we’re not doing this just to do it. We’re doing it because we need to keep powders and gels and liquids off of planes that are unauthorized just as we need to keep metals off of planes.


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Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 15, 2010, 06:55:12 PM
I hear muslim women are getting a pass on this. 
do you have a link for that?  I've read that they have been told to refuse a patdown and nude scan but I haven't seen any stories of TSA letting them go after they refused.  This would really be an LOL, if they're letting muslims pass and just harrasing little kids and elderly people.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2010, 01:28:59 AM


There's only one error in the video.  One of the Fox guys says that the upcoming Opt Out day is asking people to opt out of full body scans and demand to be strip searched.  That's not true, they're asking people to opt out and go through the enhanced Pat down and to make sure it's done in public view so others can see the invasion it is.

http://www.optoutday.com/
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2010, 02:21:00 AM
I just read a great argument made by a pilot against the body scanners.  They are already at the top of the list for radiation exposure.  30 hours of flying at 30,000+ feet equals one chest X-Ray in exposure.  This would also be concern for frequent flyers.  Is it really important to ask them to go through these additional scans exposing them or be felt up?  As another pilot put it, "we don't need a bomb to bring down an airliner, we can just push forward on the stick"
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: blinky on November 16, 2010, 02:30:59 AM
i was just in the US this summer and didnt see any sign of these then(vegas & LAX). Thank god cause im not sure what i would have done. This is garbage and a complete invasion of my/our privacy.


I live in Canada and hoping its a while before they make there way up here....if ever
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2010, 02:46:10 AM
i was just in the US this summer and didnt see any sign of these then(vegas & LAX). Thank god cause im not sure what i would have done. This is garbage and a complete invasion of my/our privacy.


I live in Canada and hoping its a while before they make there way up here....if ever
:o You're from Canada?  I definitely nominate you for the Coolest Canadian on Getbig Award.  You haven't been on here bashing America daily.  You deliver some of the best images of the finest T&A from around the world for our entertainment.  When you do have an opinion on something controversial, you speak your mind calmly and logically with no baiting.  Yup, the award goes to you...  Coolest Canadian on Getbig...

The next time you travel here, you can probably expect to see these scanners for sure:

"More of the units are arriving at airports, with 1,000 expected to be in place by the end of 2011"
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-12/travel/travel.screening_1_body-scanners-pat-downs-travel-companies?_s=PM:TRAVEL
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2010, 02:52:54 AM
Sorry Blinky, I had to look and it doesn't look good for you guys either :(

Body scanners coming to Canadian airports
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/01/05/security-canada-us-airport.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: blinky on November 16, 2010, 03:05:14 AM
:o You're from Canada?  I definitely nominate you for the Coolest Canadian on Getbig Award.  You haven't been on here bashing America daily.  You deliver some of the best images of the finest T&A from around the world for our entertainment.  When you do have an opinion on something controversial, you speak your mind calmly and logically with no baiting.  Yup, the award goes to you...  Coolest Canadian on Getbig...

The next time you travel here, you can probably expect to see these scanners for sure:

"More of the units are arriving at airports, with 1,000 expected to be in place by the end of 2011"
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-12/travel/travel.screening_1_body-scanners-pat-downs-travel-companies?_s=PM:TRAVEL

haha thanx. no, im not into the bashing. just speaking my mind


Sorry Blinky, I had to look and it doesn't look good for you guys either :(

Body scanners coming to Canadian airports
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/01/05/security-canada-us-airport.html

well i guess i shouldnt be surprised. the US says something and the rest of the world falls in line. At least i dont fly too often. about twice a year and usually just inside canada. And of course my city and the one i travel most frequently to are both on the list.  :-\
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2010, 03:21:03 AM
haha thanx. no, im not into the bashing. just speaking my mind


well i guess i shouldnt be surprised. the US says something and the rest of the world falls in line. At least i dont fly too often. about twice a year and usually just inside canada. And of course my city and the one i travel most frequently to are both on the list.  :-\
If you do have to get pulled out of line for the body scanners, I would opt out in favor of the balls touching patdown :-X  Some Doctors are now saying that the scans deliver 20 times higher radiation than previously stated.  The science behind this is that these waves are mostly absorbed in the layers of skin and not far beyond.  So for the skin, the exposure is much greater than counting an overall exposure to the entire body.  Also remember that they ask you to stand legs apart with hands up like you're under arrest.  There is only a very thin layer of skin and tissue between the X-Ray scan and your family jewels...  Not worth the risk if you ask me.  Even with the most minimal X-rays done in the hospital, they cover your junk with lead.  The TSA wants to make sure they have your junk X-ray scanned.  That's what the hole underwear bomber bullshit was about.  So Opt Out if you can imo...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 16, 2010, 05:15:20 AM
At this pointthey should just scrap the whole system and let us carry on board and take our chances.  I'll bring my Glock, CKRT folder and deal with whatever happens. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2010, 05:37:37 AM
At this pointthey should just scrap the whole system and let us carry on board and take our chances.  I'll bring my Glock, CKRT folder and deal with whatever happens.  
I'm also willing to take my chances.  I don't even need to demand the Glock for this one.  

Look at the first statistic I could find with a quick search: 45,800 people died and 2.4 million were injured in 2005 from traffic accidents!!!  Can you imagine if we had a terrorist action resulting in that many dead and injured?  And they state that number as the 6th leading preventable cause of death... meaning there are 5 greater PREVENTABLE causes of death?  Every time I go out to go grocery shopping or to the movies or to workout I'm taking a bigger chance of getting killed than all of the terrorists combined have ever posed as a threat to me or you or your sister or your brother or mother....  Yes, we should go after legit terrorists and bring them to justice... No we should not scrap the constitution or be humiliated or degraded as Americans to do so.  Nobody said freedom was safe.  There are risks every day to living free and probably hundreds of risks we take that are greater than the risk terrorism could ever pose.  

What fuels terrorism more, that they see they can and do effect us with their actions or would it by chance fuel them less if they saw we were totally unaffected by their actions?  As they have it now, they have a once proud nation scrambling for safety under a multitude of extreme changes...  fuel for the fire if you ask me....  I'd rather be proud and free and take my chances.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 16, 2010, 05:41:24 PM
Pilots among those dismayed at scanners, pat-downs
By MICHAEL TARM
Associated Press

POSTED: 04:26 a.m. HST, Nov 16, 2010

CHICAGO — Airport security stops one airline pilot because he's carrying a butter knife. Elsewhere, crews opt for pat-down searches because they fear low-level radiation from body scanners could be harmful. And in San Diego, one traveler is told he can't fly at all when he likens an intrusive body search to sexual harassment.

Annoyance at security hassles has been on the rise among airline crews and passengers for years, but the widespread use of full-body image detectors this year and the simultaneous introduction of more intrusive pat-downs seems to have ramped up the frustration.

As passengers have simmered over being forced to choose scans by full-body image detectors or rigorous pat-downs inspections, some airline pilots are pushing back. Much of the criticism is directed at the Transportation Security Administration.

"I would say that pilots are beyond fed up," said Tom Walsh, a pilot and sometimes aviation security consultant. "The TSA is wasting valuable time and money searching the crew — who are not a threat."

Even one of the nation's most celebrated pilots, Capt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger, has detected the growing unease.

"The fundamental reason is that airline pilots are already the last line of defense for anyone who poses a threat to the airplane," said the soft-spoken Sullenberger, who successfully ditched his US Airways plane in the Hudson River last year after it struck birds during takeoff. "We are — and would like to be considered — trusted partners in that important security mission."

The scanners show a body's contours on a computer stationed in a private room removed from the security checkpoints. A person's face is never shown and the person's identity is supposedly not known to the screener reviewing the images. Under TSA rules, those who decline must submit to pat-downs that include checks of the inside of travelers' thighs and buttocks.

Top federal officials said Monday that the procedures are safe and necessary sacrifices to ward off terror attacks.

"It's all about security," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "It's all about everybody recognizing their role."

That's not how John Tyner sees it.

The software engineer posted an Internet blog item over the weekend saying he had been ejected from the San Diego airport after being threatened with a fine and lawsuit for refusing a groin check after turning down a full-body scan. He said he told one federal TSA worker, "If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."

"I told the person that being molested should not be a condition of getting on a flight," the 31-year-old said in a phone interview Monday.

Tyner, who was eventually told he could not fly at all because he refused both modes of search, captured the incident on his cell phone.

"This is not considered a sexual assault," a supervisor can be heard telling him.

"It would be if you were not the government," replies Tyner.

Many pilots say requiring them to go through security is ridiculous.

One 20-year airline pilot, Patrick Smith, recalled once being stopped and questioned because he had a butter knife in a bag.

"If a pilot like me is going to be up to no good, why would he need a butter knife?" he said. "I'm in control of the entire airplane!"

Walsh argued that it sends a disturbing message to passengers for them to see pilots being searched.

"They must think, 'This is the guy flying the plane. If you can't trust the pilot who can you trust?'" he said.

Capt. John Prater, head of the Air Line Pilots Association, noted pilots are already subject to FBI background checks. Prater said that based on discussions with TSA officials Monday he was hopeful the agency will soon approve a "crew pass" system that would allow flight attendants and pilots to undergo less stringent screenings.

Some pilots also are concerned about possible health risks from low-level radiation emitted by the body machines.

Sullenberger, who recently retired, said pilots are exposed to more radiation because they fly at altitudes where the atmosphere doesn't fully block harmful rays.

"So, for those of us who are already exposed to many times more radiation than those who work on the ground, it is of concern to us that we are exposed even in small amounts to additional, what we consider unnecessary radiation exposure," he said.

Sullenberger said he hasn't heard of studies addressing those potential health risks, but he said, "Absent the data, I think we need to err on the side of caution."

Not all passengers share the level of ire of Tyner, whose individual protest quickly became a web sensation over the weekend.

Waiting to board a flight at Los Angeles International Airport on Monday, Mark Spritzler said he, for one, accepted that scanners were a necessary inconvenience.

"It makes me feel safer flying," Spritzler, of Long Beach, said. "I don't think they intrude on my privacy, the images are seen behind closed doors and unfortunately this is what has to be done to make things more secure."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/108413359.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 17, 2010, 06:46:07 AM
And the crying about all this is because of what again?

The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.

Grow up.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 17, 2010, 11:04:47 AM
And the crying about all this is because of what again?

The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.

Grow up.
::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 17, 2010, 12:00:55 PM
Continue to walk, drive or take a train to where ever you are going then.  Or quit the crying and have a scan.  Your choice.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 17, 2010, 12:02:31 PM
No
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2010, 12:02:49 PM
And the crying about all this is because of what again?

The only people who are worried about it are evil terrorists with bad intentions and insecure men with little dicks.

Grow up.

Considering you probably enjoy the prospect of getting felt up by some fat TSA beast - no wonder you support it.  

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 17, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
Having a scan eliminates any need for being felt up.  I guess that part of the article and common sense went over your head.  No surprise.

But since you never leave home you won't have to worry about that happening to you.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 17, 2010, 12:13:41 PM
No

Then open your own airport.

Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2010, 12:13:46 PM
Having a scan eliminates any need for being felt up.  I guess that part of the article and common sense went over your head.  No surprise.

But since you never leave home you won't have to worry about that happening to you.



About about the threat of cancer and other harmful xrays and crap like that?  
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2010, 12:14:21 PM
Then open your own airport.

Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to. 

f he can resort to only banning muslims off the planes, he will likely be fine. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 17, 2010, 12:18:21 PM
Then open your own airport.

Otherwise be prepared to deal with any rules the current ones feel like subjecting you to. 

Why? Ever read the 4th Amendment, yeah the one about unreasonable SEARCH and seizure. What probable cause do they have to scan or grope a US citizen? I guess in lib land its perfectly acceptable to bend over let the government violate your rights
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 17, 2010, 03:16:57 PM
This reminds me of the uproar over the short-lived van cams. 

Local civil rights group sues feds over full-body scans
Rutherford Institute files lawsuit on behalf of two pilots.

November 16, 2010

CHARLOTTESVILLE — A Virginia civil rights group is suing the federal government over the use of airport full-body scanners.

The Rutherford Institute says it has filed a Fourth Amendment lawsuit on behalf of two airline pilots. Those pilots recently refused to go through a controversial whole body imaging scanner, and also refused the alternative, the TSA's new, more invasive pat downs.

The Charlottesville-based Rutherford Institute says both screening procedures violate the Constitution's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and TSA Administrator John Pistole are both named in the lawsuit.

http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-rutherford-institute-tsa-lawsuit-full-body-scan-airport,0,6766717.story
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 17, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
Why? Ever read the 4th Amendment, yeah the one about unreasonable SEARCH and seizure. What probable cause do they have to scan or grope a US citizen? I guess in lib land its perfectly acceptable to bend over let the government violate your rights

If you go to a museum and they want to scan or pat you down, you can easily say no.  They can easily say "The exit is that way".  Same thing here.

Flying is not a constitutional right.  Once you purchase a flight ticket you are already submitting and agreeing to the rules anyway.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 17, 2010, 05:36:54 PM
f he can resort to only banning muslims off the planes, he will likely be fine. 

If he privately owns it, he can.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 17, 2010, 06:27:35 PM
If you go to a museum and they want to scan or pat you down, you can easily say no.  They can easily say "The exit is that way".  Same thing here.

Flying is not a constitutional right.  Once you purchase a flight ticket you are already submitting and agreeing to the rules anyway.

Really so because you buy a ticket you are forfeiting your constitutional rights? I don't think so. Again what is the probable cause? Simply because they feel like it?

See this is the kind of shit about the left that drives me crazy, you will argue over separation of church and state ( which by the way, the phrase doesn't exist in the constitution) but when something is spelled out in plain English in the constitution you think every fucking person should just submit to some bullshit procedure that some fuckhead in DC who will never have to go through thinks is good for you. Well done ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2010, 06:50:34 PM
House Republicans Clobber TSA, Insider Deals On Nudie Scanners
The Hayride ^ | 17 Nov 10 | MacAoidh



We mentioned Rapiscan, one of the two companies manufacturing the full-body scanners the TSA has been using to stir up the ire of airline passengers of late, yesterday. It turns out that not only is Rapiscan CEO Deepak Chopra (not THAT Deepak Chopra) a maxed-out Obama donor and a member of the president’s retinue for last week’s India trip, but the company uses a lobbying firm run by former Department of Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff.


This isn’t likely to defuse the outrage over TSA as the holiday travel crush gets going.


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Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 17, 2010, 07:41:22 PM
House Republicans Clobber TSA, Insider Deals On Nudie Scanners
The Hayride ^ | 17 Nov 10 | MacAoidh



We mentioned Rapiscan, one of the two companies manufacturing the full-body scanners the TSA has been using to stir up the ire of airline passengers of late, yesterday. It turns out that not only is Rapiscan CEO Deepak Chopra (not THAT Deepak Chopra) a maxed-out Obama donor and a member of the president’s retinue for last week’s India trip, but the company uses a lobbying firm run by former Department of Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff.


This isn’t likely to defuse the outrage over TSA as the holiday travel crush gets going.


(Excerpt) Read more at thehayride.com ...


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digusting...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 17, 2010, 07:43:53 PM
some stupid arguments going on here.  There are no museums that grope your goods or X-ray strip search you as a condition of entering.  And I'm pretty sure a government agency "TSA" should not be violating the constitution.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 03:29:30 AM
bwhahahahahAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 03:42:51 AM
POLICE STATE 2010: TSA Pat-Down of a 3 Year Old



4 year old girl checked by TSA, now I feel safe



TSA Agent Arrested-Accused Of Raping 14 Year Old Girl

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 03:50:28 AM

Basically, this is another example of govt incompetence resulting in more bs for the average citizen when we all know who should be focused on. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 04:11:32 AM
LOL... John Pistole testified the other day that the patdown of a three year old is urban legend and never happened ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 04:28:03 AM

Another govt hack w no clue at all.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 04:41:54 AM
Another govt hack w no clue at all.
shows how removed from the public this guy is lol...  It's been all over the news and this guy calls it a myth?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:29:56 AM
Really so because you buy a ticket you are forfeiting your constitutional rights? I don't think so. Again what is the probable cause? Simply because they feel like it?

See this is the kind of shit about the left that drives me crazy, you will argue over separation of church and state ( which by the way, the phrase doesn't exist in the constitution) but when something is spelled out in plain English in the constitution you think every fucking person should just submit to some bullshit procedure that some fuckhead in DC who will never have to go through thinks is good for you. Well done ::)

Don't even start with the "shit on the left" bullshit.  Nice try, but fail.  And the feeble attempt to include separation of church and state?  Meaningless. 

You purchase a ticket you are abiding by the rules they have deemed necessary.  Much like the TSA agreement on this and other internet fitness.  You got the freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean you can spout off anything you want on a board that is run by someone else.  There is the freedom of the press, but that doesn't mean that anyone with a camera can go to concerts and other places that forbid photography and just start snapping pics.

Full body scans are nothing more than a step up from the metal detectors.  Are you complaining about metal detectors violating your rights?  Cause hey, the 2nd Amendment allows freedom to carry guns.  Poor bad airline won't let you do that either.  Are you complaining about that too?

Get a fucking scan and be done with it.  Or just find an alternative transportation mode.  That way the line moves faster for the rest of us when insecure little dick right wingers are out of the way.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:32:19 AM
X-ray scans that show your nude body to a stranger are only a step up from metal detectors? ::)  oh brother...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 05:33:00 AM
Lurker - do you volunteer for full cavity search? 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:34:07 AM
X-ray scans that show your nude body to a stranger are only a step up from metal detectors? ::)  oh brother...

You act like the stranger actually WANTS to see your nude body.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:35:07 AM
Lurker - do you volunteer for full cavity search? 

If that were the case, I would simply find a private airline or another means of transportation.  Not whine and cry about it on the internet.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:35:54 AM
Lurker - do you volunteer for full cavity search? 
yea, it's only a step up from being X-rayed lol...  I guess that's the next step when someone tries to sneek a bomb up their ass.  which I believe has already happened in Israel if I remember right.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:38:07 AM
You act like the stranger actually WANTS to see your nude body.


No, I'm acting like I don't want them seeing my wife's or my daughter's nude body, and I don't want them felt up either...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 05:39:45 AM
LOL at this thread.......can you even imagine the backlash if this had happened with Bush in office?  The same dipshits who would be all over that are ok with it now...... ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:41:49 AM
LOL at this thread.......can you even imagine the backlash if this had happened with Bush in office?  The same dipshits who would be all over that are ok with it now...... ::)
Not me, I would have been all over it under Bush just as I am Obama. But you're right, some of these people were screaming about the constitution under bush but now they're like, what's the big deal lol...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:42:43 AM
Again, don't fly.  It's not your given right to fly.  Don't be crying about the 4th amendment violation by airlines when you keep your mouth shut about the 2nd amendment violation they are doing as well.  

Choosing selective parts of the Constitution to build an argument around while ignoring others is as stupid as watching Christians use the Bible to support their crying while ignoring other parts of it in direct contradiction.

Last time I checked, the TSA was not kicking in front doors and scanning people or patting them down.  They were not grabbing strangers off the street.  That would be a direct constitutional violation.   But if you buy a ticket, you follow their rules if you show up.  It's that simple.

Don't like it, don't fly.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 05:43:28 AM
Not me, I would have been all over it under Bush just as I am Obama.

That wasn't directed at you........just look one post under yours...... ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:43:36 AM
Again, don't fly.  It's not your given right to fly.  Don't be crying about the 4th amendment violation by airlines when you keep your mouth shut about the 2nd amendment violation they are doing as well.  

Choosing selective parts of the Constitution to build an argument around while ignoring others is as stupid as watching Christians use the Bible to support their crying while ignoring other parts of it in direct contradiction.

Last time I checked, the TSA was not kicking in front doors and scanning people or patting them down.  They were grabbing strangers off the street.  That would be a direct constitutional violation.   But if you buy a ticket, you follow their rules if you show up.  It's that simple.

Don't like it, don't fly.
again, kiss my ass, don't tell me what to do.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:45:10 AM
That wasn't directed at you........just look one post under yours...... ::)
sorry, I added a bit more to the post above.  just didn't get it added in time.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:45:29 AM
again, kiss my ass, don't tell me what to do.

I'm not telling you what to do.  The airline is.  Don't like it?  Don't fly.

So you can kiss my ass or come up with a better argument.  Doesn't matter which to me as seeing you haven't been effective at either.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:47:53 AM
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=356195.0
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 05:48:45 AM
I'm not telling you what to do.  The airline is.  Don't like it?  Don't fly.

So you can kiss my ass or come up with a better argument.  Doesn't matter which to me as seeing you haven't been effective at either.
::) no, you have to come up with a better argument fool...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:53:19 AM
::) no, you have to come up with a better argument fool...

No I don't.  As stated, don't like it, don't fly. 

Cry about the 4th amendment?  But silence about the 2nd?

Don't want a scan or pat down, then don't show up on their premises.  When the TSA enter private residences or public areas to start scanning and patting people down, then we got some Constitution violations. 

Instead of crying about it over and over nonstop on this board I would suggest you either petition your lawmakers or find a more competent travel agent that can arrange private flights for you.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2010, 05:53:31 AM
Israel profiles and they haven't had a hijacking or terrorist attack on their planes since what now, the 60s? Makes one think.  :-X
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
sorry, I added a bit more to the post above.  just didn't get it added in time.

No problem and you are right.....and that is one of the problems with this lib vs con, dem vs repub, etc.... attitude that people have.  That is why the govt can get so much of this garbage passed.  No matter what the issue, it quickly becomes an "us vs them" attitude and people typically side with the position they have been told to by their "party."  Very sad.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:55:13 AM
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=356195.0

 ::)

You have the freedom of speech but can you say anything you want at your employers property and not suffer consequences?

You have the 2nd amendment, but can you practice that on airlines now?  Selective crying isn't effective crying.  Right now you are just crying.

I'll check back later and see if you got something better to add.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 18, 2010, 05:59:01 AM
Hey, I scream louder than anyone about that Arizona rights violations.

I'm saying - if you want to fly on an airplane, run by a private company, it's a privledge, not a right.  You can walk, ride a bike, take a train.  if you don't like their policy, you don't NEED to use it. 

Believe me - if a cop puts his hands on my body and searches and violates me without my consent - I'm the first to call beach bum and ask him for the ACLU's phone number.  But if I disagree with the invasive policies of a car wash, a restaurant, or an airline - I'm free to choose not to use their service.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
Why are people directing their rage at Americans who disagree with this and not at the religious demographic that is 100% responsible for this?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 06:02:00 AM
Hey, I scream louder than anyone about that Arizona rights violations.

I'm saying - if you want to fly on an airplane, run by a private company, it's a privledge, not a right.  You can walk, ride a bike, take a train.  if you don't like their policy, you don't NEED to use it. 

Believe me - if a cop puts his hands on my body and searches and violates me without my consent - I'm the first to call beach bum and ask him for the ACLU's phone number.  But if I disagree with the invasive policies of a car wash, a restaurant, or an airline - I'm free to choose not to use their service.

What about business people who HAVE to travel using airlines?  Don't give me the other options horseshit...if someone has to travel throughout the US, or especially overseas, they don't have a choice.....or should they just "find another job?"  ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 06:08:05 AM
Israel profiles and they haven't had a hijacking or terrorist attack on their planes since what now, the 60s? Makes one think.  :-X

I fully favor profiling instead of groping granny. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 18, 2010, 06:09:46 AM
What about business people who HAVE to travel using airlines?  Don't give me the other options horseshit...if someone has to travel throughout the US, or especially overseas, they don't have a choice.....or should they just "find another job?"  ::)


They are choosing a career which is dependent upon a private company for their transportation.

If I decide to open a lemonade stand at the north pole, I have no right to complain about having to pay outrageous dogsled prices to get me to work every day.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 06:16:31 AM

They are choosing a career which is dependent upon a private company for their transportation.

If I decide to open a lemonade stand at the north pole, I have no right to complain about having to pay outrageous dogsled prices to get me to work every day.




 ::)  ::) 

"240 - I am a libertarian"
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 18, 2010, 06:18:59 AM

 ::)  ::) 

"240 - I am a libertarian"

and part of this freedom is allowing any company to operate as they please.


Would you go to israel and scream about how invasive their pre-flight screening is?

Or would you get on the plane and enjoy your safety?


I guess we're all off kilter a little... some people who scream about how wrong these searches are - are a-okay with giving police the power to pull over a person in AZ and demand birth cert or get deported.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 06:21:36 AM
Israel does not grope granny - they profile terrorists.


________________________ ________________________ ____________________


Man claims Charlotte TSA employee groped his 6-year-old son
WBTV News ^ | 11-18-10 | Brigida Mack


________________________ ________________________ _____________________


WBTV found the anonymous submission on a blog, "We Won't Fly." The man says the incident happened earlier this month and he describes how his little boy was traumatized saying the TSA agent groped his groin and that the little boy left the checkpoint in tears.

The commenter says his son was aggressively patted down by a TSA employee.

"He was pleading for me to help him and I was admonished for trying to comfort him," the comment on the blog states. "His genitals area was groped. He walked down to the plane in tears."


(Excerpt) Read more at wbtv.com ...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 06:25:23 AM
and part of this freedom is allowing any company to operate as they please.


Would you go to israel and scream about how invasive their pre-flight screening is?

Or would you get on the plane and enjoy your safety?


I guess we're all off kilter a little... some people who scream about how wrong these searches are - are a-okay with giving police the power to pull over a person in AZ and demand birth cert or get deported.

Do you really think the "companies" ie: airlines are down with this? hahaha......it's the govt/TSA that is forcing it upon them.  As independent companies, shouldn't they have the right to decide how THEIR passengers are searched by your logic?  We all constantly fall under govt regulations, its just that some make sense and others are too far reaching. 

As for the immigration comparison, I feel EVERY citizen of the US should be able to prove it when they are asked.  I know why you feel how you do with the incident you had with the cops......but that somehow you see that a violation of your rights and this isn't is a weak argument.  See it goes both ways....
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2010, 06:33:41 AM
Do you really think the "companies" ie: airlines are down with this? hahaha......it's the govt/TSA that is forcing it upon them.  As independent companies, shouldn't they have the right to decide how THEIR passengers are searched by your logic?  We all constantly fall under govt regulations, its just that some make sense and others are too far reaching. 

As for the immigration comparison, I feel EVERY citizen of the US should be able to prove it when they are asked.  I know why you feel how you do with the incident you had with the cops......but that somehow you see that a violation of your rights and this isn't is a weak argument.  See it goes both ways....

The problem with that is that they wouldn't search anything as it wouldn't be the least bit cost-effective.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 06:39:22 AM
The problem with that is that they wouldn't search anything as it wouldn't be the least bit cost-effective.

I agree, I was just making a point to 240 that you can't have it both ways.  Why should airlines be told they have to condone the searches? because people don't HAVE to use the airlines, by his view, so shouldn't it be a choice and just inform the passengers?

Or how about putting the scanners as we get on buses as we don't HAVE to use buses.....or how about ships/boats? 


Israel doesn't use these scanners, as you pointed out, and they have a great record thrwarting terrorist plane attacks......how about we follow their model?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 06:41:54 AM


To: dfwgator
It sure does!

“”Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive,” said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

Rapiscan has already sold 150 full body scanners to the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), with a price tag of $25 million. Rapiscan full body scanners, like the Rapiscan WaveScan 200, seem to be the preferred scanner of choice because they obscure the “private parts.”

But the fully body scanner lobby is also littered with a number of companies vying for the $300 million dollars the government has set aside for this type of technology for airports.

The Washington Examiner has a list of other full body scanner lobbyists including another heavy weight, Tom Blank, with the lobby group Wexler & Walker(pdf) - A lobby group that represents American Science and Engineering (AS&E) another full body scanner manufacturer.Blank was the former Deputy Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration - essentially Blank is lobbying the same federal department where he was boss.”

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/full-body-scanner-lobby-michael-chertoff-rapiscan-2552674.html

The Lawsuits are starting. I’m glad if they put a stop to it but at the same time it’s ridiculous that it’s going on and the taxpayers will have to bear the losses.

cnn - pilot files lawsuit over tsa body scanners



An Amarillo woman is suing the federal government for intentional infliction of emotional distress after Transportation Security Administration agents allegedly humiliated the woman when her breasts were publicly exposed during an “extended search” two years ago at a Corpus Christi airport.

http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2010-10-11/lawsuit-airport-search-indecent

Why I Filed Suit Against the TSA

http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/


Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2010, 06:43:21 AM
I agree, I was just making a point to 240 that you can't have it both ways.  Why should airlines be told they have to condone the searches? because people don't HAVE to use the airlines, by his view, so shouldn't it be a choice and just inform the passengers?

Or how about putting the scanners as we get on buses as we don't HAVE to use buses.....or how about ships/boats? 


Israel doesn't use these scanners, as you pointed out, and they have a great record thrwarting terrorist plane attacks......how about we follow their model?

Sadly, our pussified PC society would never stand for it. The Muslims were already trying to worm their way out of having to go through these scans or pat-downs because of their "religious rights being violated". The TSA told them to fuck off, though.

Why are people directing their rage at Americans who disagree with their views on this topic and not at the religious demographic that is 100% responsible for this?

:D

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 06:46:09 AM
Exactly - EVERYONE knows who is the main culprit hee and most likely to commit acts of terrorism, and t is not granny. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 06:50:11 AM
Exactly - EVERYONE knows who is the main culprit hee and most likely to commit acts of terrorism, and t is not granny. 

I laugh at the PC asshats who have the gall to say "when I get on a plane, I don't even notice if their are muslims on it....."  Lying sacks of shit......or too stupid to be allowed to fly.....those are the only two explantions.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 06:51:43 AM
  ???

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 18, 2010, 06:52:51 AM
  ???



I'm going to eat nothing but beans, steak and icecream for a week before the next time I fly and just see how they like some personal aroma in their faces......haha
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 06:58:05 AM
I'm going to eat nothing but beans, steak and icecream for a week before the next time I fly and just see how they like some personal aroma in their faces......haha

That was from Drudge.

Yeah - this is really doing something.   ::)  ::) 

 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 18, 2010, 07:44:21 AM
Don't even start with the "shit on the left" bullshit.  Nice try, but fail.  And the feeble attempt to include separation of church and state?  Meaningless. 

You purchase a ticket you are abiding by the rules they have deemed necessary.  Much like the TSA agreement on this and other internet fitness.  You got the freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean you can spout off anything you want on a board that is run by someone else.  There is the freedom of the press, but that doesn't mean that anyone with a camera can go to concerts and other places that forbid photography and just start snapping pics.

Full body scans are nothing more than a step up from the metal detectors.  Are you complaining about metal detectors violating your rights?  Cause hey, the 2nd Amendment allows freedom to carry guns.  Poor bad airline won't let you do that either.  Are you complaining about that too?

Get a fucking scan and be done with it.  Or just find an alternative transportation mode.  That way the line moves faster for the rest of us when insecure little dick right wingers are out of the way.

The TSA is not part of the airlines it is part of the government, so the whole ticket argument hold no water. It is the government that is forcing this bullshit, therefore it is a violation of the 4th Amendment. Airlines do not get to decide if their passengers get scanned or not.

You fucking dumbass left wingers just give away your constitutional rights without a second thought, therefore you don't deserve them.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 07:49:10 AM
Left wingers care about two things mainly in that respect - abortion, public displays of christianity, and gay marriage. 

Everything else, they could care less. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
The TSA is not part of the airlines it is part of the government, so the whole ticket argument hold no water. It is the government that is forcing this bullshit, therefore it is a violation of the 4th Amendment. Airlines do not get to decide if their passengers get scanned or not.

You fucking dumbass left wingers just give away your constitutional rights without a second thought, therefore you don't deserve them.

Sending your bags through the xray so the contents can be seen is not new.
Having random inspections of your bags after proceeding through the metal detectors is not new.
Pat downs at times have already been conducted for a couple of years, so this isn't new.

Please supply links to where you posted against this outrage here as well.  Those three instances above can constitute violation of the 4th Amendment.  I am sure you cried about them too.  Links to your rants please.

While you are at it, please supply links to where you cried about citizens having their 2nd Amendment violated by not being allowed to carry firearms on board.  I am sure you have a few of those too.

Fucking dumbass right wingers just wanting to cry about something but ignoring the other instances.  Typical.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 12:49:29 PM
A - Scan
B - Pat Down
C - Civil Fine
D - Stay at home

Take your pick.  Learn to live with it or STFU.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 18, 2010, 12:50:32 PM
Sending your bags through the xray so the contents can be seen is not new.
Having random inspections of your bags after proceeding through the metal detectors is not new.
Pat downs at times have already been conducted for a couple of years, so this isn't new.

Please supply links to where you posted against this outrage here as well.  Those three instances above can constitute violation of the 4th Amendment.  I am sure you cried about them too.  Links to your rants please.

While you are at it, please supply links to where you cried about citizens having their 2nd Amendment violated by not being allowed to carry firearms on board.  I am sure you have a few of those too.

Fucking dumbass right wingers just wanting to cry about something but ignoring the other instances.  Typical.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 18, 2010, 12:57:17 PM
Sending your bags through the xray so the contents can be seen is not new.
Having random inspections of your bags after proceeding through the metal detectors is not new.
Pat downs at times have already been conducted for a couple of years, so this isn't new.

Please supply links to where you posted against this outrage here as well.  Those three instances above can constitute violation of the 4th Amendment.  I am sure you cried about them too.  Links to your rants please.

While you are at it, please supply links to where you cried about citizens having their 2nd Amendment violated by not being allowed to carry firearms on board.  I am sure you have a few of those too.

Fucking dumbass right wingers just wanting to cry about something but ignoring the other instances.  Typical.

What ever sheep, do what your told when your told, fucking punk ass.

And that bag screening did just about as much good to stop 9/11 as the any of this new shit they are forcing on us would have done
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 18, 2010, 12:59:00 PM
A - Scan
B - Pat Down
C - Civil Fine
D - Stay at home

Take your pick.  Learn to live with it or STFU.

I don't have to take a pick and I will travel where I want, because last time I checked this is the USA not the soviet union. And as far as your ability to tell me or make me do any thing fucking please punk ass.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 01:27:45 PM
What's really going through lurker's mind: "I can let these asssholesss ruin dis for me.  HM!  This is the only time I get a chance to be manhandled and I wont let them getaway with taking that away...HMM!  I just think about those people seeing me nude and PRESTO honey, it turn me on so much I fantasize for weeks over it...  Hmmm!!!..."
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 03:08:27 PM
What ever sheep, do what your told when your told, fucking punk ass.

And that bag screening did just about as much good to stop 9/11 as the any of this new shit they are forcing on us would have done

I don't see any links to where your little crying ass was worried about the other examples from the same place, same company of your 4th amendment being violated.  Do you have some? Or just crying for no reason?

Inability to continue your argument in light of hypocritical tendencies from yourself really isn't helping your case here.  Perhaps it is time for you to STFU if you can't do better.

Buy a ticket, get a scan.  Don't like it?  Don't show up.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 03:10:47 PM
I don't have to take a pick and I will travel where I want, because last time I checked this is the USA not the soviet union. And as far as your ability to tell me or make me do any thing fucking please punk ass.

Eventually once they reach your airport you will only have the above choices.  Don't like it?  Walk, drive, take a train, or stay at home.

LOL @ trying to make it appear I am telling you to do anything.  Directing mental bottomfeeders isn't my bag.  It's the TSA that is going to tell you what to do.  And guess what?  You'll do it.  Or you won't be flying.  Live with that however you have to.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 03:13:10 PM
What's really going through lurker's mind: "I can let these asssholesss ruin dis for me.  HM!  This is the only time I get a chance to be manhandled and I wont let them getaway with taking that away...HMM!  I just think about those people seeing me nude and PRESTO honey, it turn me on so much I fantasize for weeks over it...  Hmmm!!!..."

Hardly.  But nice try.  Sounds like insecure projection from your end.

I have no problem going through the scan.  If you do, perhaps you can talk with your therapist about why.

  ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Emmortal on November 18, 2010, 03:21:31 PM
Hardly.  But nice try.  Sounds like insecure projection from your end.

I have no problem going through the scan.  If you do, perhaps you can talk with your therapist about why.

  ::)

It's irrelevant that you have no problem with it, just because you are willing to relinquish your constitutional rights doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 18, 2010, 03:46:06 PM
and part of this freedom is allowing any company to operate as they please.



Except this is about the federal government, not private companies. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 04:00:12 PM
Hardly.  But nice try.  Sounds like insecure projection from your end.

I have no problem going through the scan.  If you do, perhaps you can talk with your therapist about why.

  ::)
don't worry, we won't out you over this... ;D  If you're a desperate homo, it's fine by me, I just don't want you stomping the constitution just to get a thrill.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:58:29 PM
It's irrelevant that you have no problem with it, just because you are willing to relinquish your constitutional rights doesn't mean the rest of us do.

You already relinquished the same constitutional right by their current methods.  Unless you can't see that.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 05:59:28 PM
don't worry, we won't out you over this... ;D  If you're a desperate homo, it's fine by me, I just don't want you stomping the constitution just to get a thrill.

Again, self projection on your end doesn't make for "outing" me on my end.

If you got nothing else to fall back it's understandable.  I wasn't expecting much to begin with.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 06:16:08 PM
Again, self projection on your end doesn't make for "outing" me on my end.

If you got nothing else to fall back it's understandable.  I wasn't expecting much to begin with.
I'm not talking about me, I'm not the one willing to get groped or seen nude by some dude I don't know.  So how can it be a projection of myself?  I don't see how that works lol... no, I'm pretty sure I'm talking about you....
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 18, 2010, 06:17:01 PM
Except this is about the federal government, not private companies. 

and airports have the ability to say "No thank you, TSA, we do not want your services".
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 06:19:25 PM
and airports have the ability to say "No thank you, TSA, we do not want your services".

they risk other airports cutting them off.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 18, 2010, 06:21:35 PM
they risk other airports cutting them off.

so why don't ALL the airpots drop the TSA ppl?

Cause 80% of ppl support it?

I tells ya, I know it's a violation of rights... but you don't HAVE to fly.  I know my local gun store does NOT allow concealed carry.  A violation of rights, but I do not have to shop there.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 18, 2010, 06:30:30 PM
and airports have the ability to say "No thank you, TSA, we do not want your services".


Really?  So the federal government doesn't control air traffic?  News to me.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Emmortal on November 18, 2010, 06:40:47 PM
Really?  So the federal government doesn't control air traffic?  News to me.

Airports do have the ability to opt out of TSA for screening services.  One in Florida did so this week.  They can chose between (I believe 5) different private security services that are government approved.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 18, 2010, 07:00:30 PM
I'm not talking about me, I'm not the one willing to get groped or seen nude by some dude I don't know.  So how can it be a projection of myself?  I don't see how that works lol... no, I'm pretty sure I'm talking about you....

Apparently not.  Because I haven't said anything about getting groped or seen nude.  You think a scan is going to be porno quality images?  Okkkaaayyyy!

Yep, self projection from your end at work here.  You can try to take your insecurities out on me but it is not going to work.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 18, 2010, 07:19:32 PM
Airports do have the ability to opt out of TSA for screening services.  One in Florida did so this week.  They can chose between (I believe 5) different private security services that are government approved.

Do those private security services have to follow procedures mandated by the federal government?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 18, 2010, 07:44:01 PM
Apparently not.  Because I haven't said anything about getting groped or seen nude.  You think a scan is going to be porno quality images?  Okkkaaayyyy!

Yep, self projection from your end at work here.  You can try to take your insecurities out on me but it is not going to work.
still not logical.  You're the one that doesn't seem to mind.  I never said they were porno quality images ::)  End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc...  That's some sick shit bro.  This is a government agency violating the constitution.  I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved.  These are policies set by the government.  Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives.  You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure...  Sounds stupid to me.  That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Emmortal on November 18, 2010, 09:18:14 PM
Do those private security services have to follow procedures mandated by the federal government?

Yes, that is correct.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Emmortal on November 18, 2010, 09:20:52 PM
still not logical.  You're the one that doesn't seem to mind.  I never said they were porno quality images ::)  End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc...  That's some sick shit bro.  This is a government agency violating the constitution.  I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved.  These are policies set by the government.  Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives.  You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure...  Sounds stupid to me.  That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.

We should all start requesting these images starting right now through the Freedom of Information Act.  GIZMODO already received 35,000 images from a court room scanner in Florida. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 19, 2010, 06:03:59 AM
still not logical.  You're the one that doesn't seem to mind.  I never said they were porno quality images ::)  End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc...  That's some sick shit bro.  This is a government agency violating the constitution.  I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved.  These are policies set by the government.  Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives.  You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure...  Sounds stupid to me.  That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.

Is there proof that these machines have more radiation content than typical Xrays?  I would doubt it seeing that xrays penetrate much deeper.  I didn't see any depth beyond clothing in the images.  No bones, significant organ imaging.

Again, you cry about this, but not about how the exact same company already violates your 4th Amendment rights with their current practices along with the 1st and 2nd Amendment too.  You want to be insecure and paranoid, go ahead.  You can push those qualities along with your self projections on others too if they are stupid enough to follow you.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 19, 2010, 06:23:11 AM
Is there proof that these machines have more radiation content than typical Xrays?  I would doubt it seeing that xrays penetrate much deeper.  I didn't see any depth beyond clothing in the images.  No bones, significant organ imaging..
Proof that they have more radiation than medical X-Rays?.. no dumbass...  Everyone knows these body scans are at a lower exposure.  I've already posted it, did you not read the threads on the subject before shooting your mouth off?  The rest isn't worth commenting on if you havn't done the reading...

Is there proof X-rays are harmful?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... ::)

Yea, at any level they can be.  It depends on a lot of factors doesn't it?  Probably more factors than I can name.  Are you older than shit, are you to young, do you have a compromised immune system, do you have a family history of skin canser...  any way you want to cut it, it's still ionizing radiation.  With the amount of people going through these scanners, there will be a number of those who are condemded to death for going through them.  That's just a fact you don't give a shit about.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 19, 2010, 08:12:30 AM
If you go to a museum and they want to scan or pat you down, you can easily say no.  They can easily say "The exit is that way".  Same thing here.

Flying is not a constitutional right.  Once you purchase a flight ticket you are already submitting and agreeing to the rules anyway.

It may not be a constitutional right but according to this:

US Code - Section 40103: Sovereignty and use:

(a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit. - (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. To further that right, the Secretary of Transportation shall consult with the Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board established under section 502 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 792) before prescribing a regulation or issuing an order or procedure that will have a significant impact on the accessibility of commercial airports or commercial air transportation for handicapped individuals.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 08:50:08 AM
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
CBS ^ | 11/19/2010




(CBS) A flight attendant and cancer survivor said she was forced to remove and show her prosthetic breast to a TSA agent during a security pat-down.

Cathy Bossi of Charlotte, who has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, told CBS Affiliate WBTV that in August she was asked to go through the new full-body scanners at Charlotte Douglas International Airport.

As a 3-year breast cancer survivor Bossi said she didn't want the added radiation through her body, but reluctantly agreed.

"The TSA agent told me to put my ID on my back," Boss told WBTV correspondent Molly Grantham. "When I got out of there, she said because my ID was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."

Bossi was taken to a private room where two female Charlotte TSA agents began what she calls an "aggressive" pat-down.

Bossi said the exam halted when they got around to feeling her right breast - the one where she'd had surgery.

"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?' Bossi recalled. "And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that.'"

Bossi was asked to remove her prosthetic breast from her bra and show it to the agent.

She said she did not take down the name of the agent because of the "horrific" nature of the experience.

"It just blew my mind. I couldn't believe that somebody had done that to me,'" she told WBTV.

Bossi has since contacted the flight attendants union's Legislative Affairs Team.

She says there are better alternatives to such intrusive examinations.

"There are blowers and there are dogs that could sniff out bombs," she said. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."

A TSA representative told WBTV that agents are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic, but aren’t supposed to remove them. Later, the TSA contacted the station and said they would review the Bossi matter.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 19, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
CBS ^ | 11/19/2010



OMG ::)  You have no idea what is going through my mind right now... pretty much can't say... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 09:28:47 AM
OMG ::)  You have no idea what is going through my mind right now... pretty much can't say... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Man oh man.....I am lost for words on that one....she was a flight attendant for 32 yrs !!! 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 09:31:36 AM
I am taking a flight in February - someone feels up my girl like that in public  - you will read about the aftermath in the NY Post. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 09:36:36 AM
I am taking a flight in February - someone feels up my girl like that in public  - you will read about the aftermath in the NY Post. 

What is the deal with kids/babies?  Seems like this overdose of radiation on an adult can't be good, what about small children?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 09:41:37 AM
What is the deal with kids/babies?  Seems like this overdose of radiation on an adult can't be good, what about small children?

I had an argument with a buddy of mine last night.  He is a former US Marshall an hispanic who agrees with all this crap.   

I said:  "Bro - give me one example in the last ten years of a white, black, or hispanic person trying to hijack an American airline to commit an act of intl terrorism justifying this craziness?" 


SILENCE!   
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 09:44:01 AM
I had an argument with a buddy of mine last night.  He is a former US Marshall an hispanic who agrees with all this crap.   

I said:  "Bro - give me one example in the last ten years of a white, black, or hispanic person trying to hijack an American airline to commit an act of intl terrorism justifying this craziness?" 


SILENCE!   

EXACTLY.....we are trying to be so PC that we are missing the whole point, which is to make travel safer, not to make a certain group of individuals feel they aren't being targeted.....
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Fury on November 19, 2010, 09:46:52 AM
Napolitano considering allowing Muslim women to pat themselves down at Airports!
By Jack Minor

With the holidays fast approaching, the Transportation Safety Agency has announced new security procedures requiring passengers selected for secondary screening to go through a machine that produces a full body scan producing a nude but grainy, black and white image. Passengers choosing to opt out of the scan will face a full body pat.

The head of Homeland Security has indicated the government is considering the request of an Islamic organization that has suggested Muslim women be allowed to pat themselves down during a full body search that is part of new enhanced procedures at airports.

Since implementing the procedures, numerous complaints have arisen that the search is not a “pat-down” but rather feeling and grabbing along a person’s genitalia and other areas until they meet resistance. Critics have said the pat-downs would be considered sexual assault if performed elsewhere.

The TSA defends the procedures as necessary in light of last years “underwear bomber” and the recent issues involving printer cartridges being used in an attempt to blow up cargo planes.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, CAIR, has expressed concern with the TSA over the regulations and recommended special procedures for dealing with Muslim women. The organization issued a travel advisory for Muslims over the procedure.

In the advisory CAIR advises all Muslims to contact them and file a complaint with the TSA if they experience any “disturbing incidents” with the new procedures and they feel they have been unfairly singled out for screening.

It goes on to make special recommendations for Muslim women wearing a hijab covering their face. The advisory says women are to inform the officer they are only to pat down the head and neck and says “They should not subject you to a full-body or partial body pat-down.” They also recommend that women should be permitted to pat themselves down and “have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.”

Barack Obama’s Homeland Security Czar, Janet Napolitano, is considering changes to the procedures to address the issues raised by CAIR.

Since announcing the rules, several organizations have expressed concern over the procedures. Pilots and flight crews have expressed concern about constant exposure to the low level radiation generated by the machine, but the government denies any danger from having the scan done. The U.S. Airline Pilots Association has issued instructions to members to call in sick and not board a flight if they are too upset to fly after a pat-down. The Allied Pilots Association has urged members to boycott the body imaging machines.

At least one website has recommended Americans boycott the body scans by recommending everyone chosen for additional screening on Nov. 24 to opt out of the body scans and choose the pat down. Some have expressed alarm over the recommendation saying it could slow down or halt the security process on the day before Thanksgiving.

New Jersey lawmakers have pending resolutions demanding Congress tell the TSA that people must not be forced to give up their fourth amendment rights when they choose to travel by airline.

A Reuters poll asking if individuals were less likely to fly as a result of the new procedures revealed 96 percent of respondents affirming they would make alternate travel plans to avoid intrusive security and pat-downs.

John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, said the regulations came straight from the President himself.

In a recent commentary Whitehead said “legislation has been proposed to mandate full-body scanners and make them the primary screening method in all U.S. airports by 2013, but Congress has yet to act on it. So we can thank Barack Obama for this frontal assault on our Fourth Amendment rights.” He went on to say “Yet in the wake of the bumbling underwear bomber’s botched Christmas Day attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound plane, Obama directed the Homeland Security Department to acquire $1 billion in advanced-technology equipment, including body scanners, for screening passengers at airports.”

The machines have been purchased from California based Rapiscan Systems. The company is a client of the Chertoff Group, a security consulting agency headed by former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff who has lobbied for the need for installing the machines in airports.

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=6687


Brilliant logic once again from this anti-American C*NT. The religious demographic to blame for this entire situation is once again trying to worm their way out of having to partake in it, all while their cronies in Washington enable them.  >:(

CAIR = terrorist organization.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 09:50:19 AM
DAMN bf! ! !  !

$%^^&&&&&&&&&&%$#$^&**((&%$$%
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 09:52:43 AM
That pisses me off so bad, I can't see straight........if I am ever in line at the airport and see that shit take place I will end up arrested as i will lose my ever loving mind over it......
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 19, 2010, 09:57:15 AM
Interesting she will consider changing the procedures because of CAIR, but ignores the rest of the American people. Seems to me Incompetano needs her worthless ass thrown the fuck out of any position of power in this country.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 10:01:39 AM
My argument with my friend was  this:

"We all know who is most likely to commit the terrorism, so why focus all this effort on a portion of the people statistically irrelevent to any conversation such as 90 y/o grannies, etc etc?"

He gave me the typical law enforcement nonsense of being that "anyone and everyone is a potential suspect" blah blah. 

Typical.     
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 10:03:58 AM
My argument with my friend was  this:

"We all know who is most likely to commit the terrorism, so why focus all this effort on a portion of the people statistically irrelevent to any conversation such as 90 y/o grannies, etc etc?"

He gave me the typical law enforcement nonsense of being that "anyone and everyone is a potential suspect" blah blah. 

Typical.     

Tell him REAL cops don't agree......when my brother was a cop in south florida during the drug years of the late 80's and 90's he said he was asked by a scumbag he arrested....."Why are you always arresting black people?"  his response was "Because you are commiting the crimes"  US marshall is a political position, much like the FBI.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
Tell him REAL cops don't agree......when my brother was a cop in south florida during the drug years of the late 80's and 90's he said he was asked by a scumbag he arrested....."Why are you always arresting black people?"  his response was "Because you are commiting the crimes"  US marshall is a political position, much like the FBI.

What i tried to explain to him was that me being a 35 y/o strong, self defense trained, white guy, is that i am most likely the guy who will save others and fight these assholes in hand to hand combat, not the guy who needs my balls groped. 

His stupid ass could not grasp that concept. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Kazan on November 19, 2010, 10:20:53 AM
For some reason the younger generation seems to think government is the answer to everything. One thing I have learned is that you depend on yourself because the government won't be there when you need them.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 19, 2010, 12:10:09 PM
Proof that they have more radiation than medical X-Rays?.. no dumbass...  Everyone knows these body scans are at a lower exposure.  I've already posted it, did you not read the threads on the subject before shooting your mouth off?  The rest isn't worth commenting on if you havn't done the reading...

Is there proof X-rays are harmful?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... ::)

Yea, at any level they can be.  It depends on a lot of factors doesn't it?  Probably more factors than I can name.  Are you older than shit, are you to young, do you have a compromised immune system, do you have a family history of skin canser...  any way you want to cut it, it's still ionizing radiation.  With the amount of people going through these scanners, there will be a number of those who are condemded to death for going through them.  That's just a fact you don't give a shit about.

I never said Xrays were not harmful.  Where did you read that?  Certainly not in any of my replies.  Completely irrelevant little spout off there.  Try harder.

You were the one stating "
Quote
being exposed to X-rays
"   When in fact they are not xrays at all are they?  Nor are they expending more radiation are they?  And your point of saying they were is what again?  Besides nothing.  Seems that everyone knew this EXCEPT YOU.  Perhaps you should get your facts straight and post accordingly.  Then you won't be corrected again on it.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: MB on November 19, 2010, 12:23:33 PM
Only Muslims should be patted down and forced to go through the x-ray machines (men and women).  Come on Napolitano, use some common sense. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Emmortal on November 19, 2010, 12:51:38 PM
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
CBS ^ | 11/19/2010




(CBS) A flight attendant and cancer survivor said she was forced to remove and show her prosthetic breast to a TSA agent during a security pat-down.

Cathy Bossi of Charlotte, who has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, told CBS Affiliate WBTV that in August she was asked to go through the new full-body scanners at Charlotte Douglas International Airport.

As a 3-year breast cancer survivor Bossi said she didn't want the added radiation through her body, but reluctantly agreed.

"The TSA agent told me to put my ID on my back," Boss told WBTV correspondent Molly Grantham. "When I got out of there, she said because my ID was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."

Bossi was taken to a private room where two female Charlotte TSA agents began what she calls an "aggressive" pat-down.

Bossi said the exam halted when they got around to feeling her right breast - the one where she'd had surgery.

"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?' Bossi recalled. "And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that.'"

Bossi was asked to remove her prosthetic breast from her bra and show it to the agent.

She said she did not take down the name of the agent because of the "horrific" nature of the experience.

"It just blew my mind. I couldn't believe that somebody had done that to me,'" she told WBTV.

Bossi has since contacted the flight attendants union's Legislative Affairs Team.

She says there are better alternatives to such intrusive examinations.

"There are blowers and there are dogs that could sniff out bombs," she said. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."

A TSA representative told WBTV that agents are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic, but aren’t supposed to remove them. Later, the TSA contacted the station and said they would review the Bossi matter.



This is disgusting.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 19, 2010, 12:56:04 PM
I never said Xrays were not harmful.  Where did you read that?  Certainly not in any of my replies.  Completely irrelevant little spout off there.  Try harder.

You were the one stating ""   When in fact they are not xrays at all are they?  Nor are they expending more radiation are they?  And your point of saying they were is what again?  Besides nothing.  Seems that everyone knew this EXCEPT YOU.  Perhaps you should get your facts straight and post accordingly.  Then you won't be corrected again on it.
you know what happens when you start playing stupid with my replies... yup, I probably won't bother responding... 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 19, 2010, 03:54:26 PM
It may not be a constitutional right but according to this:

US Code - Section 40103: Sovereignty and use:

(a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit. - (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. To further that right, the Secretary of Transportation shall consult with the Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board established under section 502 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 792) before prescribing a regulation or issuing an order or procedure that will have a significant impact on the accessibility of commercial airports or commercial air transportation for handicapped individuals.



Good find. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 19, 2010, 03:59:33 PM
Really?  So the federal government doesn't control air traffic?  News to me.

An airport in orlando has decided to use a private firm instead of the TSA.  Did you know that?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 19, 2010, 04:10:16 PM
An airport in orlando has decided to use a private firm instead of the TSA.  Did you know that?

I heard.  They still have to use the same procedures established by TSA and are still controlled by the federal government.  Did you know that? 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 19, 2010, 04:13:02 PM
I heard.  They still have to use the same procedures established by TSA and are still controlled by the federal government.  Did you know that? 

So the fingerbang is still in full effect?

Which politicians have gone on record about this so far?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 04:14:52 PM
So the fingerbang is still in full effect?

Which politicians have gone on record about this so far?


240 - do you want to get groped?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: 240 is Back on November 19, 2010, 04:22:06 PM
240 - do you want to get groped?

you think i'm flying after that un-investigated mess on 911?

You must be high, brah.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
you think i'm flying after that un-investigated mess on 911?

You must be high, brah.

ha ha ha ha - what about richard reid and the fruit of the loom bomber?
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 19, 2010, 04:36:46 PM
So the fingerbang is still in full effect?

Which politicians have gone on record about this so far?


What this means is your comments about this issue involving a private company are wrong. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 20, 2010, 12:19:39 PM
you know what happens when you start playing stupid with my replies...  

I begin to point out your stupidity?  Is that it?  Because after that last post of yours that is all I can think of.

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 20, 2010, 02:17:17 PM
I begin to point out your stupidity?  Is that it?  Because after that last post of yours that is all I can think of.


you didn't point out anything stupid.  ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 20, 2010, 03:15:06 PM
Other than the fact that I was referring to scans and you were bleating about xray dangers and when called on the difference there you mumbled about nothing. 

But hey, if deflection works for you in between those bouts of self projection, go for it.  Maybe you have been "exposed to xrays" too much already.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: blinky on November 20, 2010, 11:31:30 PM
Is there proof that these machines have more radiation content than typical Xrays?  I would doubt it seeing that xrays penetrate much deeper.  I didn't see any depth beyond clothing in the images.  No bones, significant organ imaging.

Again, you cry about this, but not about how the exact same company already violates your 4th Amendment rights with their current practices along with the 1st and 2nd Amendment too.  You want to be insecure and paranoid, go ahead.  You can push those qualities along with your self projections on others too if they are stupid enough to follow you.


How many times does the average person get x-rays taken in their life? me personally..so far... i think about 8-9 times.

How many times does the avergae person fly? I've been on airplanes(through security) that many times in the last 2 years alone.

And i think thats the main point. People fly way more than they get x-rays taken.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Cy Tolliver on November 20, 2010, 11:41:35 PM
you think i'm flying after that un-investigated mess on 911?

You must be high, brah.

Yep....  ;D
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 21, 2010, 12:32:43 AM
"They say that the low level beam does deliver a small dose of radiation to the body but because the beam concentrates on the skin - one of the most radiation-sensitive organs of the human body - that dose may be up to 20 times higher than first estimated."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html#ixzz15u6WvFjE
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 21, 2010, 01:27:00 AM
LOL.....

..Thank you Bush for showing that the silly old paper we call our Constitution wasn't worth the ink it was written with...

Everyone already knew Bush was going to fail...
...Failed to uphold basic Constitutional values...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 21, 2010, 01:40:20 AM
I'd also like to know why you can see this guy's patella and tibia bones if the x-rays used are not strong enough to penetrate past the skin.  This image clearly shows the scan does not have an even distribution and exposed some areas of the body more than others.
http://www.impactlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/body-scan.jpg

In other scans shown you can see the skull show some, so it looks like it may be more intense at the top and bottom of the scan.  The head is not an area where you want to be zapping more than it already gets zapped.  plus don't forget it's a very thin layer of tissue between your nuts and the scan.  stupid stupid stupid...

Same with this image, you can see he skull from the back shot and again his tibia, patella and even bones in his feet in the front shot.  But you cannot see any arm bones.  clearly more exposure being delivered to the head and mostly the lower area.
http://epic.org/privacy/body_scanners/Body_Scan_Pic.jpg
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 21, 2010, 02:24:13 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
;D


lol
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
TSA Chief Shifts Position; Says Screenings Will Be Minimally Invasive
Published November 21, 2010
| Associated Press
 
WASHINGTON -- The head of the agency responsible for airport security, facing protests from travelers and pressure from the White House, appeared to give ground Sunday on his position that there would be no change in policies regarding invasive passenger screening procedures.
Transportation Security Administration head John Pistole said in a statement that the agency would work to make screening methods "as minimally invasive as possible," although he gave no indication that screening changes were imminent.

The statement came just hours after Pistole, in a TV interview, said that while the full-body scans and pat-downs could be intrusive and uncomfortable, the high threat level required their use. "No, we're not changing the policies," he told CNN's "State of the Union."

Pistole said that, as in all nationwide security programs, "there is a continual process of refinement and adjustment to ensure that best practices are applied."

Still, he pointed to the alleged attempt by a Nigerian with explosives in his underwear to try to bring down an Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight last Christmas. "We all wish we lived in a world where security procedures at airports weren't necessary," Pistole said, "but that just isn't the case."

In his earlier TV appearance, Pistole appeared to shrug off statements by President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that the agency would look for ways to alter screening techniques that some passengers say are invasions of privacy.

Obama said in Lisbon on Saturday that he had asked TSA officials whether there's a less intrusive way to ensure travel safety. "I understand people's frustrations," he said, adding that he had told the TSA that "you have to constantly refine and measure whether what we're doing is the only way to assure the American people's safety."

Clinton, appearing Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," said she thought "everyone, including our security experts, are looking for ways to diminish the impact on the traveling public" and that "striking the right balance is what this is about."

She, for one, wouldn't like to submit to a security pat-down.

"Not if I could avoid it. No. I mean, who would?" Clinton told CBS' "Face the Nation" in an interview broadcast Sunday.

"Clearly it's invasive, it's not comfortable," Pistole said of the scans and pat-downs during the TV interview. But, he added, "if we are to detect terrorists, who have again proven innovative and creative in their design and implementation of bombs that are going to blow up airplanes and kill people, then we have to do something that prevents that."

Rep. John Mica, R-Fla. who is set to become Transportation Committee chairman when Republicans take over the House in January, differed with the approach.

"I don't think the rollout was good and the application is even worse. This does need to be refined. But he's saying it's the only tool and I believe that's wrong," Mica, a longtime critic of the TSA, said separately on the CNN program.

With the peak traveling season nearing, air travelers are protesting new requirements at some U.S. airports that they must pass through full-body scanners that produce a virtually naked image. The screener, who sits in a different location, does not see the face of the person being screened and does not know the traveler's identity.

Those who refuse to go through the scanners are subject to thorough pat-downs that include agency officials touching the clothed genital areas of passengers.

Pistole was shown videos of people being patted down where the screeners touched the breasts of a woman, felt into the pants of another person and felt the crotch of a man. He said all three cases were proper and that the gloves of the screener who felt inside the pants were then tested for explosive trace residue.

Pistole added that very few people receive the pat-down. People who go through the new advanced imaging machines available at some 70 airports are usually not subject to pat-downs, he said.

Pistole said that while watch lists and other intelligence sources help the TSA pick out travelers who might pose greater risks, rules against profiling mean that some people who are less of a risk, such as the elderly or the disabled, must sometimes undergo pat-downs.

"I want to be sympathetic to each of the negative experiences. We've had extensive outreach to a number of different disability community groups, a number of different outreach efforts to try to say, how can we best work with those in your community to effect security while respecting your dignity and privacy," he said.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., appearing on CBS, said Congress would hold hearings on the "very controversial" issue of how to strike the right balance. Asked how he would feel about submitting to a pat-down, Hoyer said: "I don't think any of us feel that the discomfort and the delay is something that we like, but most people understand that we've got to keep airplanes safe."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/21/tsa-chief-says-screenings-minimally-invasive/
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 21, 2010, 06:35:03 PM
lol

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 22, 2010, 02:35:03 AM
Spence, of Chet Buchanan & the Morning Zoo on 98.5 KLUC in Las Vegas doesn't mind TSA pat-downs. In fact, he welcomes them. Hear his original song titled "Touch My Junk."

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 22, 2010, 07:05:28 AM
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: tu_holmes on November 22, 2010, 07:35:42 AM
I've been through it twice... Once was the "optional" back in the day, the other was the required about 2 weeks ago.

If someone is staring and my junk, that's on them.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 22, 2010, 07:58:52 AM
I've been through it twice... Once was the "optional" back in the day, the other was the required about 2 weeks ago.

If someone is staring and my junk, that's on them.
lol what the hell are you trying to say? :-X
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 23, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
Yes, please protect us from grandma and grandpa.   ::)

(http://media.staradvertiser.com/images/300*245/20101123_loc_tsa1.jpg)
An airline passenger was screened yesterday in Chicago.


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An airline passengers was screened yesterday in Seattle-Tacoma.


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A passenger was patted down at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport yesterday.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20101123_touchy_subjects.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 24, 2010, 02:48:06 PM
Gotta check the junk.   ::)

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/tsawaistcheck_20101124_165810.jpg)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: tu_holmes on November 26, 2010, 10:09:13 AM
lol what the hell are you trying to say? :-X

I'm saying that the TSA is a bunch of pecker checkers.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: blinky on November 28, 2010, 04:51:51 AM
a friend of mine was flying home from vegas on wednesday. When they scanned his carry on, they found a knife in a little hidden pocket he had forgoten about. The woman(tsa agent) asked about it and he just said that he forgot he even had that knife. She asked if he wanted it mailed back home and he said "no just keep it". She let him go...didnt make him go through any additional scanning/patdown. Meanwhile he said he saw an 80yr old woman getting patted down off to the side.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 28, 2010, 05:48:48 AM
a friend of mine was flying home from vegas on wednesday. When they scanned his carry on, they found a knife in a little hidden pocket he had forgoten about. The woman(tsa agent) asked about it and he just said that he forgot he even had that knife. She asked if he wanted it mailed back home and he said "no just keep it". She let him go...didnt make him go through any additional scanning/patdown. Meanwhile he said he saw an 80yr old woman getting patted down off to the side.
all of this seems so absurd to me...  Maybe I'm just from a place that time forgot... I grew up in Wyoming, we carried pocket knives with us to school or wherever we went and nobody gave a shit. 5th graders sitting there sharpening their pencils with pocket knives, now it's a national security threat to have a fucking pocket knife ::) After school or in the summer we would head up to the hillsides and target practice with our .22 rifles, nobody worried about us walking around with rifles and we were just kids.

If I'm going to fly, and some jackass pops up with a box cutter or pocket knife, I'm not in the least bit worried.  He better have a better plan than his knife.  I'll take that thing and have it into his neck in seconds.  And I was trained for that shit as many in America who served were.  Most likely I wouldn't even get to him first, others would gang rush his ass and he would panic and toss the knife before getting the crap beat out of him.

I guess I oppose all of this in every way because this isn't remotely close to the America I grew up in.  It's been sickly distorted and changed and I want the America I grew up in back.  If I could go back in time and stay, I would, but I can't so I just have to oppose what seems retarded as I perceive it.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 28, 2010, 06:15:01 AM
Also, I don't give a shit about terrorists.  I don't in any way plan to ever worry about them ever.  Terrorists would have to kill 500,000 per year before I would even start to consider them a bigger threat than me driving my car and if I'm going to worry about being killed or worry about a family member being killed, there are at least 5 bigger worries than terrorists killing 500,000 per year.  

Terrorists are a minor worry to me.  I'm way more worried about what my government will do than what terrorists will do.  Terrorists can't do shit to harm America.  Our government can easily do a lot more to harm the fundamental principles of America and our way of life as a free people.

I will be much more worried that my daughter will be killed by some dipshit driver than getting killed by a terrorist.  I'm much more worried that she will have a miserable life with a jackass abusive husband(who I will fucking kill) than I am about her being killed by a terrorist.  I could go on with so many greater concerns than retard terrorists....  in the end, they are not worth changing our way of life.  Terrorism is not worth turning America into a facist police state--almost to late to say.....

Lastly, I would die for the words that I say... If I happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, so be it.  America is more important to me.  The country our children will be raised in is more important to me.  Freedom isn't safety.  Freedom and liberty can be dangerous and I'm ok with that!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 28, 2010, 06:55:45 AM
Hugo - we have become a pussy nation.  We are a sad sack of soft, scared, weak, petrified, pain averse obsessives who don't deserve freedom any more. 

Whether its the zero tolerance crap in the schools, the stupid drug laws, the idiotic way we treat college kids or even high school seniors having a beer, video game cry babies, the whole "concerned mothers" bullshit, etc etc, we are simply not worthy of freedom any more. 

Sad but true.   
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 28, 2010, 07:06:14 AM
Hugo - we have become a pussy nation.  We are a sad sack of soft, scared, weak, petrified, pain averse obsessives who don't deserve freedom any more. 

Whether its the zero tolerance crap in the schools, the stupid drug laws, the idiotic way we treat college kids or even high school seniors having a beer, video game cry babies, the whole "concerned mothers" bullshit, etc etc, we are simply not worthy of freedom any more. 

Sad but true.   
You're right, but what makes me even more sick is that the Obama admin considers me a "domestic extremist" for saying the things I do?  You have got to be fucking kidding me, is this for real?

Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 28, 2010, 07:14:58 AM
You're right, but what makes me even more sick is that the Obama admin considers me a "domestic extremist" for saying the things I do?  You have got to be fucking kidding me, is this for real?



Yes!  Remember when they called 2nd amend advocates and those against illegals domestic terrorists? 

Bush did the same crap.  Its one of the reasons I want to puke even looking at him on TV.  Remember he called those against illegal immigration "vigilantes" and said people against harriet meirs was because she was a woman? 

Bush/obama seems like blood brother twins to me at this point, but obama took it a few steps further.

I posted a story about two weeks ago about a town councilman calling the cops on 10 y/o for selling cupcakes in the park.   I posted another about 7 men getting arrested for playing chess in a park. 


We are over regulated, over legislated, over policed,  adn seeking this fantasy land bullshit society that will never exist and destroying all freedom and propsertiy in the meantime.   
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 28, 2010, 07:40:42 AM
Yes!  Remember when they called 2nd amend advocates and those against illegals domestic terrorists?  

Bush did the same crap.  Its one of the reasons I want to puke even looking at him on TV.  Remember he called those against illegal immigration "vigilantes" and said people against harriet meirs was because she was a woman?  

Bush/obama seems like blood brother twins to me at this point, but obama took it a few steps further.

I posted a story about two weeks ago about a town councilman calling the cops on 10 y/o for selling cupcakes in the park.   I posted another about 7 men getting arrested for playing chess in a park.  


We are over regulated, over legislated, over policed,  adn seeking this fantasy land bullshit society that will never exist and destroying all freedom and propsertiy in the meantime.  
seriously, this guy needs impeached asap.  He is worse than bush because all he has done is to add onto all the things we hated about Bush.  I wanted bush impeached, therefore, I want Obama impeached even more.  This guy is a walking violation of the constitution.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 28, 2010, 10:19:47 AM
a friend of mine was flying home from vegas on wednesday. When they scanned his carry on, they found a knife in a little hidden pocket he had forgoten about. The woman(tsa agent) asked about it and he just said that he forgot he even had that knife. She asked if he wanted it mailed back home and he said "no just keep it". She let him go...didnt make him go through any additional scanning/patdown. Meanwhile he said he saw an 80yr old woman getting patted down off to the side.

I see this all the time.  Ridiculous. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: doison on November 28, 2010, 12:25:15 PM
all of this seems so absurd to me...  Maybe I'm just from a place that time forgot... I grew up in Wyoming, we carried pocket knives with us to school or wherever we went and nobody gave a shit. 5th graders sitting there sharpening their pencils with pocket knives, now it's a national security threat to have a fucking pocket knife ::) After school or in the summer we would head up to the hillsides and target practice with our .22 rifles, nobody worried about us walking around with rifles and we were just kids.

If I'm going to fly, and some jackass pops up with a box cutter or pocket knife, I'm not in the least bit worried.  He better have a better plan than his knife.  I'll take that thing and have it into his neck in seconds.  And I was trained for that shit as many in America who served were.  Most likely I wouldn't even get to him first, others would gang rush his ass and he would panic and toss the knife before getting the crap beat out of him.

I guess I oppose all of this in every way because this isn't remotely close to the America I grew up in.  It's been sickly distorted and changed and I want the America I grew up in back.  If I could go back in time and stay, I would, but I can't so I just have to oppose what seems retarded as I perceive it.

I'm from a similar time and place.  I can't remember going to a friends house and not seeing a gun rack in their parent's room.  

I mentioned getting our oldest kid a bb gun last summer and my wife thought I was crazy.....
I tried to tell her that I spent my summer days "plinking" with my .22 and my summer nights "bat hunting" with my "four-ten" shotgun when I was that age.  
bb-guns were saved for playing "war" with your friends.  
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Deicide on November 28, 2010, 12:27:37 PM
The problem is a lot larger than just giving people a bunch of guns and problem solved.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 28, 2010, 12:32:39 PM
We used to shoot each other w bb guns for fun. I had a friend shoot me point blank with 1000 fps.  Damn that hurt.  Then we went to paintball guns and roman candles and m80's.

Times have changes.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Deicide on November 28, 2010, 01:15:54 PM
Dismantle all those scanners and 'hire' a few thousand beagles. Much safer and much more cost effective...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: blinky on November 28, 2010, 07:04:23 PM
I see this all the time.  Ridiculous. 

i find it hilarious that he ahd a knife and didnt have to go through the scanner OR patdown...and here's this 80yr old lady getting her tits felt up.

brutal system
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: tu_holmes on November 28, 2010, 08:24:03 PM
Hugo - we have become a pussy nation.  We are a sad sack of soft, scared, weak, petrified, pain averse obsessives who don't deserve freedom any more. 

Whether its the zero tolerance crap in the schools, the stupid drug laws, the idiotic way we treat college kids or even high school seniors having a beer, video game cry babies, the whole "concerned mothers" bullshit, etc etc, we are simply not worthy of freedom any more. 

Sad but true.   

This.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: doison on November 29, 2010, 07:38:41 AM
Hugo - we have become a pussy nation.  We are a sad sack of soft, scared, weak, petrified, pain averse obsessives who don't deserve freedom any more.  

Whether its the zero tolerance crap in the schools, the stupid drug laws, the idiotic way we treat college kids or even high school seniors having a beer, video game cry babies, the whole "concerned mothers" bullshit, etc etc, we are simply not worthy of freedom any more.  

Sad but true.    

This.  The government has slowly and steadily changed the way it governs over the years.  
What was once a government "for the people" has become a government whose entire purpose is to appease the various political fringe groups while ignoring the silent majority.  

It's not about listening to the people, it's about trying not to anger all the various political groups that represent some (very vocal) minority view.  

It doesn't matter what "America" thinks....they're too busy with all the shit that needs to be done to provide for their families to devote the time necessary to show their outrage.  
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on February 01, 2011, 02:51:52 PM
TSA to test new body scanning system in Las Vegas
By Associated Press
POSTED: 04:31 a.m. HST, Feb 01, 2011

LAS VEGAS — The Transportation Security Administration is testing a new, more modest body scanning system at McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas.

Critics have complained that the full-body scans are intrusive, but TSA spokesman Dwayne Baird says the software being unveiled Tuesday lets passengers see what its security screeners see, and it uses a more generic image.

He says the TSA is trying to determine whether it can improve privacy protections and maintain the same security levels.

There are nearly 500 full-body scanners in use at 78 airports. The scans show a traveler's physical contours on a computer screen and can reveal hidden weapons or explosives. Faces aren't shown, and the images are viewed in a private room, but many people say it still reveals too much about what's under their clothes.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/115007504.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on April 14, 2011, 11:56:22 AM
Quote


This video has gone viral on youtube today.  When will this madness stop?  If I was the parent of that kid I would knock that bitch the f**k out! 

Stupid fat TSA bitch is just a mindless useful idiot for big government intrusion.  Janet Napalitano should be brought up on criminal charges for allowing this stuff to happen.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on May 12, 2011, 06:49:54 PM
 :)

House GOP moves to end money for new body scanners
By Andrew Taylor
Asssociated Press
POSTED: 03:27 p.m. HST, May 12, 2011

WASHINGTON >> House Republicans controlling the Transportation Security Administration's purse strings are moving to cut off new funding for those advanced airport scanners that have sparked outrage over their revealing images of travelers' bodies.

Draft legislation released Thursday by the Appropriations homeland security subcommittee denies the Obama administration's $76 million request for an additional 275 of the scanners, which many travelers dislike because TSA employees can view full body images of travelers.

The GOP move wouldn't affect the 500 or so machines already in place at 78 of the nation's airports or the 500 just funded in a recent spending bill. Efforts are under way to solve the privacy concerns with new computer software. TSA currently gives passengers the option of a pat down in private — a choice that most people find even more intrusive.

Panel chairman Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., said his move was sparked by budgetary factors rather than protests from privacy advocates. And it comes as the TSA is trying hard to modify the machines so that they won't produce revealing images. Instead, the agency is trying out new software that would have the machines read the images and alert airport screeners when there's a potential weapon or other threat. The screener would then see the location of the threat is shown on a stick figure of the body.

That technology hasn't been proven yet, and with the new privacy software showing uneven results, Aderholt is refusing the fund additional machines.

"We don't want to skimp on security but we want to make sure that where we can make smart cuts, we do," Aderholt said.

The machines are aimed at detecting things like explosives and other threats that don't set off metal detectors. They follow an earlier generation of machines that puffed air at passengers that proved to be too fragile and expensive to maintain.

Defending the program, Homeland Security Department spokesman Adam Fetcher said that since 2010 the full body scanners have led to the detection of nearly 210 prohibited, illegal or dangerous items at checkpoints nationwide.

Opponents of the machines took heart in the panel's decision.

"They're a nuisance. They're slow. And they're ineffective," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a longtime critic, adding that the machines aren't not used to screen visitors to high-profile targets like the White House or the Capitol. The bottom line is that ... they're just not as effective as a good ol' German Shepherd."

Chaffetz won a 310-118 vote on the House floor last year to cut off funding for the machines but the administration and the Senate refused to go along. The likelihood of a similar outcome this year may have reinforced the decision to withhold the funds.

But advocates of the full body technology say that the alternative to the machines are even more intrusive pat downs — including recent high-profile incidents in which a baby was patted down at the Kansas City airport and a six-year-old was upset after being frisked at the New Orleans airport. They say people far prefer the full body screenings than a hand-on pat down.

"Now they will have to hand search more people. More hand search means a lot more expense than using the technology," said Peter Kant, Executive Vice President of Rapiscan Systems, one of the two companies that makes the machines. "Ninety-five-plus percent of people would rather be scanned than go through a pat down."

Kant was referring to a CBS News poll last year that also showed 81 percent of respondents support the full body scanners despite a concerted campaign by opponents.

The government has already spent about $1 billion on the machines. That big an investment ensures they probably aren't going anywhere.

And the machines have powerful advocates like Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, the top Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee. A Rapiscan plant in his state employs 20 people manufacturing the machines.

"The whole-body-imaging machines have something that (bomb-sniffing) dogs don't have," Chaffetz said. "Lobbyists."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/121747889.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on June 12, 2011, 10:00:57 PM
Bloodbath.

TSA firing 36 Honolulu Airport workers, suspends 12 others
By Gregg K. Kakesako
POSTED: 09:43 a.m. HST, Jun 10, 2011

Transportation Security Administration workers put luggage into screening machines today at Honolulu Airport. A total of 48 other TSA workers at the airport are on administrative leave starting today after being suspended or being informed that they face termination because they allegedly did not screen checked-in baggage.

Thirty-six Transportation Security Administration workers at Honolulu Airport, including the top director, were given termination notices today, and 12 more were suspended because they allegedly were not screening checked-in baggage for explosives as their jobs require.

Nico Melendez, TSA spokesman, said the federal agency delivered letters of “proposed termination” to 36 workers, including five members of its leadership team here. The top two are the agency’s federal security director and the assistant federal deputy director for screening.Melendez said privacy laws prevented him from naming the 36 individuals who are being removed.

Melendez said the 36 workers are on paid administrative leave while they go through the appeals process. The workers have seven days to respond to the letter. If the TSA goes through with the termination after that, the workers have 30 days to appeal the firing.

The 12 suspended TSA workers, meanwhile, are on unpaid leave but also are allowed to appeal. Melendez said the appeal process can run from a week to 30 days. The suspensions, effective today, range from two weeks to 30 days.

Glen Kajiyama was removed as the federal security director. Stanford Miyamoto, who currently serves as deputy area director, has been named the acting federal security director, effective today. Kajiyama, who served as a deputy chief during his 30-year-old career at the Honolulu Police Department, was named in July 2007 to replace Sidney Hayakawa as head of the TSA here.

Former HPD Maj. William Gulledge is the assistant federal deputy director for screening at TSA who received his termination notice today. He joined TSA in 2003.

A six-month TSA investigation revealed some bags weren't checked properly by one shift of screeners at the airport, officials said.

The 36 employees who received letters of termination had been placed in nonsecurity roles pending the outcome of the investigation which began late last year. Melendez said that 100 of the 750 TSA employees who work in Honolulu were interviewed during the investigation.

"TSA holds its workforce to the highest ethical standards and we will not tolerate employees who in any way compromise the security of the traveling public," said TSA Administrator John Pistole. "We have taken appropriate action through our newly established Office of Professional Responsibility and are committed to ensuring our high security standards are upheld in Hawaii and throughout the country."

Colleen M. Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, today issued a statement of support for the nonsupervisory TSA employees. “This unfortunate situation is a matter of considerable concern, but should not be taken as indicative of the behavior and professionalism of the vast majority of TSA officers,” said Kelley in a written statement. “In fact, it was TSA employees that brought these problems forward.

 “While no one condones compromising security measures designed to keep the traveling public safe, it is NTEU’s understanding that pressure from airlines and supervisors to ensure that morning international flights departed from Honolulu on time led to the events triggering the investigation and resulting discipline.”

 Dina Long, spokeswoman for NTEU, said her union is vying with the American Federation of Government Employees to become the exclusive bargaining agent for 43,000 TSA front-line workers. Voting is ongoing nationally and will end June 21, Long said.

Melendez said only the TSA screening operations at the Honolulu Airport were investigated.

In March, Melendez said the TSA officers worked at Lobby 4 at Honolulu Airport, which services 12 airlines.

The allegations surfaced in December when two TSA employees reported that luggage was allowed to go on flights without being screened or checked for explosives.

The alleged misconduct affected a "limited number" of flights daily during the last few months of 2010, according to the TSA.

Most of the flights where bags were not screened took off in the morning. Lobby 4 is used by Air Canada, Air New Zealand, Air Pacific, Alaska Air, All Nippon Airways, China Airlines, Delta Airlines, Jetstar Airways, Korean Air, Philippine Airlines, Qantas and WestJet.

Melendez said transportation security officers are required to operate explosive detection and explosive-trace detection systems. The job requires operation of machines, as well as checking bags by hand. Minivan-sized machines are installed at airports, and each piece of luggage must be manually placed into, and removed, from the machines.

Training for the job includes about 40 hours in the classroom and as much as 60 hours of on-the-job training, Melendez said. Officers also go through three hours of training each week.

This is not the first time that TSA workers in Hawaii have come under scrutiny.

In April, Dawn Nikole Keka, a lead TSA officer at Kona Airport, pleaded guilty in federal court to misdemeanor theft charges of stealing cash from Japanese travelers passing through her screening lane. She will be sentenced in July.

She was caught in a sting operation when a TSA special agent posing as a Japanese tourist went through Keka's lane with 13 marked $100 bills in her wallet. The agent placed the wallet in a Hello Kitty backpack.

Following the publicity of Keka's arrest in March, other travelers and even some of Keka's former coworkers, stepped forward with more theft accusations. One man claims he lost $9,000.

The TSA conducted the sting and arrested Keka on March 11. Keka resigned from her job the following Monday. She said she took two $100 bills from the undercover agent's backpack while searching it for contraband.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/TSA_firing_36_Honolulu_Airport_workers_suspends_12_others.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on June 21, 2011, 04:17:49 PM
2 Congressmen call for Honolulu TSA probe
By Associated Press
POSTED: 11:00 a.m. HST, Jun 21, 2011
DENNIS ODA / DODA@STARADVERTISER.COM

Transportation Security Administration workers placed luggage into screening machines Friday at Honolulu Airport. Forty-eight other TSA workers at the airport are on administrative leave after being suspended or being informed that they face termination because they allegedly did not screen checked-in baggage for explosives as their job required.

Two Republican Congressmen are calling for the Department of Homeland Security to investigate the security lapses at the Honolulu International Airport, which led to the firing of dozens of screeners.

In a letter sent Tuesday and obtained by The Associated Press, U.S. Reps. John Mica of Florida and Jason Chaffetz of Utah urged a probe into why Transportation Security Administration screeners "dramatically failed" in their responsibilities.

The TSA wants to fire 36 workers and has suspended 12 others after a six-month investigation found they did not properly screen baggage in Honolulu.

Mica chairs the Transportation and Infrastructure committee and Chaffetz chairs the National Security, Homeland Defense and Foreign Operations subcommittee.

The letter says the firings highlight the conflict of the TSA acting as both operator and regulator of aviation screening.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/124311394.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on June 22, 2011, 12:11:20 PM
Change made to airport screenings for young kids
By Eileen Sullivan
Associated Press
POSTED: 07:08 a.m. HST, Jun 22, 2011

WASHINGTON >> The government has made a change in its policy for patting down young children at airport checkpoints, and more are promised.

Airport security workers are now told to make repeated attempts to screen young children without resorting to invasive pat-downs, the head of the Transportation Security Administration said Wednesday.

There was public outrage in April over a video of a 6-year-old girl getting a pat-down in the New Orleans airport. She was patted down, TSA Administrator John Pistole said, because she moved during the electronic screening, causing a blurry image.

That kind of pat-down was put in place partly because of the Nigerian man who got past airport security, boarded a plane with explosives hidden in his underpants and tried to use the bomb to bring down the airliner over Detroit on Christmas 2009.

But this screening has been criticized as being too intrusive and an unnecessary measure for children and older people who seem to pose no terror threat.

Last month, a picture of a baby being patted down at Kansas City International Airport gained worldwide attention as well. The baby's stroller set off an alert of possible traces of explosives, so the screeners were justified in taking a closer look at the boy cradled in his mother's arms, the agency said.

Pistole, testifying at a hearing on transportation security by the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, said his agency has been working on a new policy for the use of pat-downs on children and an announcement will come soon.

Terrorists in other countries have used children as young as 10 years old as suicide bombers, Pistole said, although that hasn't happened in the U.S. "We need to use common sense," he told lawmakers.

Some of the first information gleaned from Osama bin Laden's compound after he was killed by U.S. forces in May indicated that al-Qaida considered attacking U.S. trains on the upcoming anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. Counterterrorism officials have said they believe the planning never got beyond the initial phase and have no recent intelligence pointing to an active plot for such an attack.

But the evidence from bin Laden's compound shows what U.S. officials have been saying for years: Terrorists remain interested in attacking transportation nodes, such as airplanes and trains.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/124361333.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on July 08, 2011, 11:57:24 AM
SeaTac TSA examines travelers' big hair
by ALLEN SCHAUFFLER / KING 5 News
TSA to woman: 'We're going to have to examine your hair'
Posted on July 7, 2011 at 9:39 AM
Updated yesterday at 10:12 AM

SHORELINE, Wash. -- Laura Adiele wasn't expecting any trouble when she put her hair up, packed her bags, and headed for SeaTac to catch a flight to Texas.  So, she was quite surprised when she was pulled out of the security line after having gone through the Advance Imaging system (that see-through technology) and told she needed a pat-down.

"When I first heard her say, 'We're going to have to pat you down,' I thought she was talking about my body. I was turning around and putting my arms out and she said, 'no, we're going to have to examine your hair,' and I said, 'no, we're not going to do that today and you're going to have to get security or your supervisor,'" said Adiele.
Adiele claims she looked around, saw plenty of other women with "big hair, ponytails" who weren't being searched, and it made her mad.  She felt it was discrimination, that she as a black woman with an afro tucked up into a curly bun, was being selected for hand-screening when women of other races weren't.  She had nothing to hide but just didn't want strangers feeling her hair.
 
"It's just totally a violation of my personal space and my biggest question is if I'm going through a full body X-ray what more do you need to find, after that?" Adiele said. 
 
Actually the Advanced Imaging isn't an X-ray and should have shown any object, metal or not. Not wanting to miss her flight she finally relented.
 
"They put the gloves on and now they're really just digging around in my hair and I'm like, arrgg! Why is this happening?" said Adiele.
 
We couldn't find any specific mention on the TSA website about how travelers should wear their hair, or what to expect hair-wise when going through airport searches.  A spokesperson points out there are very specific descriptions of "head-coverings" and the agency makes it very clear that any such coverings that raise concerns among security agents may be subject to further examination.  Adiele says the agent who searched her described the policy in more blunt terms.
 
"The supervisor shows up and she says, 'It's our policy that we examine anything that poofs from the body,' and I'm looking around me at all these women with bigger hair if you will and I'm thinking 'why am I the only one being singled out here for poofy hair?" Adiele said.
 
She laughs just thinking about it.  "They are required to investigate and examine anything that poofs from the body? That sounds like a bogus policy to me. It just sounds bogus. Poofs?!" said Adiele.
 
She has filed a complaint about the incident but hasn't heard back from the agency yet. It could take a few days for that online form to work its way through the system.
 
The agency's regional spokesperson says they'll be glad to deal with any problems with Adiele when they see the details of her complaint.  He adds the TSA takes any charges of racism seriously but is confident this is a case of security officer doing their jobs and being very thorough in their efforts to protect the travelling public.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/SeaTac-TSA-Were-going-to-have-to-examine-your-hair-125157594.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on July 14, 2011, 12:38:58 PM
I'd be interested in something like this . . . depending on what information they're asking for.

TSA takes first steps toward 'trusted travel' program
By Mike M. Ahlers, CNN
July 14, 2011

Washington (CNN) -- After hinting for months that he would start a "trusted traveler" program to expedite security screening for air passengers, TSA Chief John Pistole took his first step in that direction Thursday, announcing a pilot program to ease screening for passengers who voluntarily release certain information about themselves.

The pilot test is based on U.S. customs programs and initially will be available only to certain participants in the customs program and a limited number of air travelers. Those include certain frequent fliers on two airlines -- American and Delta -- flying out of certain airports. Delta passengers must be flying out of Atlanta and Detroit airports, and American Airlines passengers must be flying out of Miami and Dallas airports.

But if it is successful, the program would likely be expanded to include other air travelers who voluntarily give additional information about themselves.

Currently, the TSA vets passenger lists against "watch lists" of known or suspected terrorists. But the TSA is working with a very limited amount of information about those passengers -- namely a person's full name, date of birth and gender. Under "trusted traveler" programs, travelers voluntarily surrender more information about themselves, giving the government more assurances of who they are.

In recent years, there has been a drumbeat of calls for the TSA to adopt a trusted traveler program. Congress and critics have stepped up that demand following two highly publicized incidents, one involving the search of a 6-year-old girl, and the other involving a 95-year-old cancer patient. In both case, the TSA has said the airport screeners were following established protocols.

But the TSA also has said it is working towards a "risk-based" trusted traveler program that could expedite travel for people believed to present little risk to aviation.

The pilot program will begin this fall.

"These improvements will enable our officers to focus their efforts on higher risk areas," Pistole said. "Enhancing identity-based screening is another common sense step in the right direction as we continue to strengthen overall security and improve the passenger experience whenever possible."

During the first phase of testing, certain frequent fliers and all members of Custom and Border Protection's Trusted Traveler programs, including Global Entry, SENTRI, and NEXUS who are U.S. citizens, will be eligible to participate.

The TSA said it plans to expand this pilot program to include United, Southwest, JetBlue, US Airways, Alaska Airlines and Hawaiian airlines, as well as additional airports, once operationally ready.

The TSA said Pistole will work with Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Alan Bersin and the airlines to determine passenger eligibility for this screening pilot, which is limited to U.S. citizens and is voluntary.

All passengers in this pilot are subject to recurrent security checks.

Security experts have long expressed concern about so-called "clean skins" -- potential terrorists who enroll in "trusted traveler" programs to avoid scrutiny during a terror mission. But the TSA says it will continue to incorporate random and unpredictable security measures to address such concerns.

Pistole said other layers of security will remain in place, including intelligence gathering and analysis, explosive-detection canine teams, federal air marshals, closed-circuit television monitoring and behavior detection officers.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/07/14/tsa.trusted.traveler/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 14, 2011, 12:54:17 PM
I'd be interested in something like this . . . depending on what information they're asking for.

TSA takes first steps toward 'trusted travel' program
By Mike M. Ahlers, CNN
July 14, 2011

Washington (CNN) -- After hinting for months that he would start a "trusted traveler" program to expedite security screening for air passengers, TSA Chief John Pistole took his first step in that direction Thursday, announcing a pilot program to ease screening for passengers who voluntarily release certain information about themselves.

The pilot test is based on U.S. customs programs and initially will be available only to certain participants in the customs program and a limited number of air travelers. Those include certain frequent fliers on two airlines -- American and Delta -- flying out of certain airports. Delta passengers must be flying out of Atlanta and Detroit airports, and American Airlines passengers must be flying out of Miami and Dallas airports.

But if it is successful, the program would likely be expanded to include other air travelers who voluntarily give additional information about themselves.

Currently, the TSA vets passenger lists against "watch lists" of known or suspected terrorists. But the TSA is working with a very limited amount of information about those passengers -- namely a person's full name, date of birth and gender. Under "trusted traveler" programs, travelers voluntarily surrender more information about themselves, giving the government more assurances of who they are.

In recent years, there has been a drumbeat of calls for the TSA to adopt a trusted traveler program. Congress and critics have stepped up that demand following two highly publicized incidents, one involving the search of a 6-year-old girl, and the other involving a 95-year-old cancer patient. In both case, the TSA has said the airport screeners were following established protocols.

But the TSA also has said it is working towards a "risk-based" trusted traveler program that could expedite travel for people believed to present little risk to aviation.

The pilot program will begin this fall.

"These improvements will enable our officers to focus their efforts on higher risk areas," Pistole said. "Enhancing identity-based screening is another common sense step in the right direction as we continue to strengthen overall security and improve the passenger experience whenever possible."

During the first phase of testing, certain frequent fliers and all members of Custom and Border Protection's Trusted Traveler programs, including Global Entry, SENTRI, and NEXUS who are U.S. citizens, will be eligible to participate.

The TSA said it plans to expand this pilot program to include United, Southwest, JetBlue, US Airways, Alaska Airlines and Hawaiian airlines, as well as additional airports, once operationally ready.

The TSA said Pistole will work with Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Alan Bersin and the airlines to determine passenger eligibility for this screening pilot, which is limited to U.S. citizens and is voluntary.

All passengers in this pilot are subject to recurrent security checks.

Security experts have long expressed concern about so-called "clean skins" -- potential terrorists who enroll in "trusted traveler" programs to avoid scrutiny during a terror mission. But the TSA says it will continue to incorporate random and unpredictable security measures to address such concerns.

Pistole said other layers of security will remain in place, including intelligence gathering and analysis, explosive-detection canine teams, federal air marshals, closed-circuit television monitoring and behavior detection officers.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/07/14/tsa.trusted.traveler/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
I figured your indignation would only go so far...  Ignore the ramifications of it all and join up for the pre screened credit checked full family history we know your full life story line...
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 14, 2011, 01:00:10 PM
"Trusted Traveler" sounds eerily similiar to another bullshit govt plan    "Fast & Furious"


I guess they will let a few terrorists through to blow up a few planes to see where they were going.     
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Roger Bacon on July 14, 2011, 01:02:37 PM
We used to shoot each other w bb guns for fun.

YES!!!!

Same!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on July 14, 2011, 01:05:25 PM
Saw a lady yesterday go through secondary screening.  She looked about 70+ years old, white, pretty feeble.  I was thinking:  yes, please protect me from this suspected terrorist.   ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 14, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
Saw a lady yesterday go through secondary screening.  She looked about 70+ years old, white, pretty feeble.  I was thinking:  yes, please protect me from this suspected terrorist.   ::)
Don't worry, once you sign onto the trusted traveler program, you can pass all that and not see that evil shit anymore ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on July 14, 2011, 02:00:49 PM
Don't worry, once you sign onto the trusted traveler program, you can pass all that and not see that evil shit anymore ::)

I already bypass most of that stuff and I still see it. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 14, 2011, 02:10:37 PM
I already bypass most of that stuff and I still see it. 
well now you can bypass it and not care about it. ::)
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on July 21, 2011, 12:13:08 PM
This is progress. 

Was talking to a TSA agent and he mentioned the issue of "planting," where someone is carrying a device without their knowledge.  Doesn't justify the lack of common sense in this whole debate, but does provide some context for searching people who don't fit the terrorist profile.   

TSA to Upgrade Body Scanners, Eliminate Naked Images
Published July 20, 2011
FoxNews.com

Sept. 1, 2010: Transportation Security Administration employee Anthony Brock, left, demonstrates a new full-body scanner at San Diego's Lindbergh Field with TSA employee Andres Lozano in San Diego.

Under fire from privacy advocates, the Transportation Security Administration is upgrading its full body scanners to eliminate the use of images that show a passenger’s naked body.

Over the new few months, the agency will install new software known as Automated Target Recognition (ATR) that can auto-detect items that pose a potential threat using a generic outline of a person for all passengers.

“Our top priority is the safety of the traveling public, and TSA constantly strives to explore and implement new technologies that enhance security and strengthen privacy protections for the traveling public,” TSA Administrator John Pistole said in a statement.

“This software upgrade enables us to continue providing a high level of security through advanced imaging technology screening, while improving the passenger experience at checkpoints,” he said.

Under the current system, TSA screeners who watch travelers as they pass through the machines do not see the naked images. The screeners who see such images work in separate locations and don’t see the passengers. Travelers may choose not to go through the scanner, but they then receive an invasive pat-down, which many feel also violates privacy.

The new software on the Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) machines won’t require the separate TSA officer to view the images of actual passengers.

In an interview with Fox News, Pistole wouldn’t say how much the upgrade is costing. He said the agency is using the upgraded software at three airports now with plans to extend that to 41 by the end of the year covering 200 machines.

The announcement came the same month a federal appeals court ruled that TSA has to start soliciting comments about the machines but doesn’t have to stop using them. A civil liberties group attempted to force the agency to stop using the machines, arguing that they violated privacy and religious freedom laws as well as the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/20/tsa-to-upgrade-body-scanners-eliminate-naked-images/
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on July 23, 2011, 01:38:17 AM
Mom Arrested For Yelling At TSA Over Daughter's Patdown

A distraught mother, en route to Baltimore, caused quite a ruckus at the Nashville airport on Saturday as she tried to protect her daughter from the TSA's much-criticized screening procedures.

Andrea Fornella Abbott, 41 of Clarksville, Tennessee, was arrested at the airport after she lost it at a TSA agent for trying to pat down her daughter, according to the Daily News.

Local police claim that Abbott shouted at agents, yelling that she didn't want her daughter to "be touched inappropriately or have her crotch grabbed," The Tennessean reports.

Security officer Sabrina Birge told police that "(Abbott) told me in a very stern voice with quite a bit of attitude that they were not going through that X-ray." Despite being told that the machine was "not an x-ray," Abbott insisted, "I still don't want someone to see our bodies naked."

Abbott then tried to shoot video of the incident on her cell phone, but cops arrested her before she could record anything. The cops cuffed her and hauled her off to jail, charging her with disorderly conduct, the Daily Mail reports. She was released that night.

After the uproar over the patdown of a 6-year old girl in New Orleans in April and the patdown of a baby in May, the TSA has modified its policy about patdowns of children.

The TSA has been called out multiple times publicly in the past year. In December, Khloe Kardashian likened patdowns to rape; in February, Alaska Representative Sharon Cissna returned home by boat to avoid a TSA patdown; in May, former beauty queen Susie Castillo issued a teary video plea over the TSA after a patdown at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport; and in June, an elderly cancer-stricken woman had her adult diaper removed by the TSA because they felt something "warm and firm."

Earlier this month, a Seattle woman called the TSA racist for inspecting her curly hair.

http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/07/13/mom-arrested-for-yelling-at-tsa-over-daughters-patdown/
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Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
Right to bare? TSA screeners face lawsuit
By Dave McNair | dave@readthehook.com
Published online 4:23pm Tuesday Aug 30th, 2011

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Tobey bares the words of the Fourth Amendment on his chest during a December visit to the Richmond International Airport.
Henrico Police Department photo

Aaron Tobey, the 21-year-old Charlottesville native who made headlines last December when he was arrested after stripping down to his shorts at the Richmond International Airport while going through security, revealing the words of the Fourth Amendment written on his bare chest to protest controversial new TSA strip search procedures, will get his day in court.

Tobey filed a lawsuit in March, with the help of the Rutherford Institute, against Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, the head of the TSA, and the Richmond Airport, alledging that TSA agents and airport police denied his Constitutional rights under the First and Fourth Amendments.

On Tuesday, August 30 U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson dismissed the lawsuit's claim that the TSA itself violated the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable search and seizure, but Hudson let stand the claims of false imprisonment and malicious prosecution against two TSA officers, the AP reports.

"Aaron Tobey was arrested for exercising his right to free speech, which is clearly protected under the First Amendment," said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, in a statement. "Tobey was also unduly seized by government agents in violation of the Fourth Amendment, despite the fact that he did nothing to disrupt airport routine."

The case has been set for trial on January 18, 2012.

http://www.readthehook.com/100510/no-right-bare-chest-judge-dismisses-suit-against-tsa
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: tu_holmes on September 02, 2011, 09:12:39 AM
I fly through there all of the time... I have had more than one or two brushes with the TSA.

He got jacked because he's young... The TSA screeners would not have had him arrested if he was an older person. Lots of age-ism going on around there.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2011, 11:35:12 PM
TSA fires 28, suspends 15 in Honolulu baggage investigation
By Star-Advertiser staff
POSTED: 02:46 p.m. HST, Sep 16, 2011

In this June 20 file photo, passengers at Honolulu International Airport load their personal items into trays before proceeding through the security checkpoint. TSA announced that it was firing 28 employees, and suspending 15, after an investigation of improper screening procedures.

The Transportation Security Administration said today it has fired 28 employees and suspended 15 in the aftermath of its investigation of improper screening of checked baggage at Honolulu International Airport.

The TSA investigated 48 employees, 43 were fired or suspended, and three resigned or retired, according to a statement from TSA spokesman Nico Melendez. There was no information on the remaining two cases.

"The affected employees have the right to appeal the decision," Melendez said.

"As there is no additional information and these are personnel issues, I will be unable to comment further," he said.

The investigation, which began in late 2010, determined that some checked baggage during one shift at the airport was not properly screened, affecting a "limited number" of flights each day during the last months of 2010, according to the TSA.

The TSA announced their intention to fire or suspend dozens of workers in June.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/TSA_fires_28_suspends_15_in_baggage_investigation.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Freeborn126 on September 19, 2011, 02:02:43 PM
A vote for Rick Perry is a vote to continue this madness at our airports.  He intentionally blocked the Texas House's TSA anti-grope bill which passed unanimously by all house members. 
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 19, 2011, 02:36:00 PM
A vote for Rick Perry is a vote to continue this madness at our airports.  He intentionally blocked the Texas House's TSA anti-grope bill which passed unanimously by all house members. 
fuck, for some reason I was under the impression that he supported the Texas bill on this.  I've been reading so much shit I must have got crosswired lol...  Yea, fuck Perry if he's the on that screwed this bill from becoming Texas Law.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Freeborn126 on September 20, 2011, 05:35:59 AM
http://breakthematrix.com/states-issues/gov-perry-shirks-responsibility-tsa-antigroping-bill/

He brought it up in the special session but he let it get killed by procedure and his CIA/Globalist lieutenant governor david dewhurst.  He could have easily had the bill passed.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on October 04, 2011, 11:24:01 PM
TSA buys machines to check IDs and airline boarding passes
By Mike M. Ahlers, CNN
updated 7:22 PM EST, Mon October 3, 2011

Washington (CNN) -- In a move that could improve security and keep airport lines moving, the Transportation Security Administration early next year will begin testing machines that match a traveler's boarding pass with his or her government-issued ID, while verifying that both documents are authentic.

The machines will assist the TSA "travel document checkers," who now conduct checks assisted only by ultraviolet flashlights and magnifying loupes.

In 2006, an Indiana University doctoral student created a website allowing people to create fake boarding passes to demonstrate how a known terrorist on the "No Fly" list could use a fake boarding pass to get past a checkpoint. Once on the other side, the terrorist could use a real boarding pass acquired under an alias to board a plane.

And in June, a Nigerian man was arrested after he flew across the country allegedly with a false boarding pass. Authorities said they found several other phony boarding passes in his luggage.

The new technology would authenticate government-issued IDs by comparing written information on the card with information encoded in the ID's bar codes, magnetic strip or computer chip. It would also match the ID to the boarding pass.

The system will alert screeners if either document does not pass validation. If the issue is easily rectifiable, such as misspelling of the passenger's name, the TSA may allow the person to proceed. If not immediately resolved, the passenger will be directed to a TSA supervisor.

"This technology will help facilitate risk-based security, while making the process more effective and efficient," TSA Administrator John S. Pistole said.

The TSA has awarded contracts of $79 million each to three companies: BAE Systems Information Solutions, NCR Government Systems and Trans Digital Technologies, LLC. Each company will provide 10 machines for testing at U.S. airports. The TSA has not disclosed which airports will get the machines.

In August, the TSA's chief privacy officer issued a report saying the machines have minimal privacy implications because only a limited amount of personal information is collected by the machines and because this information "is deleted after use."

A TSA spokeswoman said earlier versions of the technology were tested at two Washington-area airports in 2009.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/us/tsa-machines/index.html
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2011, 04:50:46 PM
TSA Plans to Expand Frequent-Flier Fast Track
Wednesday, 02 Nov 2011
By Henry J. Reske

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) program is expected to expand a program to ease airport hassles for frequent travelers because of the success it met in test markets. The program is in operation in Atlanta, Dallas, Detroit, and Miami, The Washington Post reported.

The program, which was started in July, allows pre-qualified passengers who are members of Delta and American Airlines’ frequent-flier clubs and U.S. Customs and Border Protection frequent-traveler programs to pass through security more swiftly. The travelers, who must provide personal information in advance, generally do not need to remove items from carry-on luggage for screening, the Post reported.

TSA Administrator John Pistole says, in testimony prepared for a hearing before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, that the program is proving successful and “holds great potential to strengthen security while significantly enhancing the travel experience, whenever possible, for passengers.”

Airline officials are pushing for expansion of the frequent-flier program nationwide. A program for pilots is also popular and now has more than 59,000 pilots enrolled in just two months of operation.

Pistole also is expected to comment on how children are treated in security screenings at airports. The issue flared up during the summer after stories circulated that security personnel were frisking children. Since then, TSA has changed procedures to reduce such pat-downs of children, the Post reported.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/TSA-security-screening-frequent/2011/11/02/id/416562
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on April 25, 2012, 11:41:39 PM
TSA Defends Pat-down of 4-year-old at Kan. Airport
Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — The grandmother of a 4-year-old girl who became hysterical during a security screening at a Kansas airport says security agents forced her to undergo a pat-down, and even yelled at the child and called her an uncooperative suspect.

The incident has been attracting increasing media and online attention since the child's mother, Michelle Brademeyer of Montana, detailed the ordeal in a public Facebook post last week. The Transportation Security Administration says its agents followed proper screening procedures.

The child's grandmother, Lori Croft, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that mother and daughter initially passed through security at Wichita's airport without incident. But then the child ran to briefly hug Croft, who was awaiting a pat-down after tripping the alarm.

That's when TSA agents insisted the child undergo a physical pat-down.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/ChildAirportScreening-Kansas/2012/04/25/id/437104
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on July 20, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
Love it!  Now I'm tempted . . . .

U.S Judge acquits Portland man who stripped naked at TSA checkpoint
John E. Brennan, 50, argued that he dropped trou as a protest over intrusive security procedures, and a judge agreed he was within his rights to do so.
By Philip Caulfield / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:51 PM
 
Brian Reilly/ASSOCIATED PRESS
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John E. Brennan stands naked after he stripped down while going through a security screening area at Portland International airport April 17.

A Portland man was exercising his right to free speech when he stripped naked at an airport checkpoint to protest TSA scanning procedures, a judge ruled.

John E. Brennan, 50, who went "Full Monty" at Portland International Airport in April, was acquitted of indecent exposure on Wednesday.

Multnomah County judge David Rees ruled that the First Amendment protected the 50-year-old frequent flier’s right drop his duds because he did it in protest, not to arouse or titillate the travelers around him.

Citing a 1985 state appeals court ruling stating that nudity laws don't apply in cases of protest, Rees said, "It is the speech itself that the state is seeking to punish, and that it cannot do," The Oregonian newspaper reported.

Brennan's pals in the packed courtroom cheered the decision.

As they were leaving the court, one 70-year-old friend stuck a note to Brennan’s chest that said "Sir Godiva," a reference to 11th century England's Lady Godiva, who legend says rode a horse naked through the streets of Coventry to protest high taxes.

Brennan said he knew he wasn't breaking the law when he dropped trou partly from his experience riding in Rose City's annual Naked Bike Ride, during which Portland cops traditionally look the other way.
 
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Don Ryan/ASSOCIATED PRESS
John E. Brennan poses for a photo at his Portland, Ore., home."I ride in it if it's warm enough," he told the Daily News.

The bearded tech consultant was dressed in work pants and slacks when he showed up at PDX for a flight to San Jose for business on April 17.

He testified that he refused to go through a full-body scanner at the security gate, and instead chose to receive a pat down and metal detector screening.

After the pat down, the TSA agents detected the presence of nitrates on his clothes.

Brennan got fed up and said he disrobed both in protest and to prove that he wasn't carrying a bomb.

"I was mostly motivated by the absurdity of it all," he told The Associated Press.

"The irony that they want to see me naked, but I don't get to take off my clothes off. You have all these machines that pretend to do it."

He was naked for about five minutes until police arrived, cuffed him.

In court, prosecutor Joel Petersen argued that Brennan couldn't be protected by the First Amendment because he claimed got naked in protest after cops arrived.

Peterson said the conviction would serve a precedent, otherwise "any other person who is ever naked will be able to state after the fact" that they were protesting, The Oregonian reported.

Brennan said he wanted to send a message that the TSA was "broken" and wasteful.

"I'd been through metal detector and full pat down, but that's the hassle we have to put up with," he said. "The system is broken. I don't know what the solution is to fix it, but I'm sure there are experts out there who do."

The TSA said in a statement that it respected the judge's decision to acquit Brennan.

“We continue to focus our attention on TSA's primary mission of keeping our nation's transportation system safe from security threats," spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein said in an email.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/judge-acquits-portland-man-stripped-naked-tsa-checkpoint-article-1.1117677
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Shockwave on July 20, 2012, 06:30:56 PM
Exactly.
This.
Shit is getting out of hand, time to throttle it back a bit.
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on February 13, 2014, 10:06:05 AM
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TSA Rolls Out New Body Scanners That See Through Clothes
Sean Brown
February 12, 2014

When they first came out they were supposed to be the ultimate tool in fighting terrorist attacks on aircraft however once we got a real idea of how they worked, the TSA’s full body scanners were nothing more than expensive toys that were ineffective and posed great health risks.

Now the TSA is at it again, they’re looking to implement the “next generation” of body scanners at checkpoints across the US. They say the new scanners will be able to scan through heavy clothing and won’t require the constant monitoring of video screens by agents.

“Detection should occur through a minimum of 2 layers of clothing concealment where those layers are composed of cotton, cotton-polyester, wool, silk and leather materials among others,” DHS officials said.

(Read More: LISTEN: TSA Calls And Threatens To Flag Name Over Parody Video)

According to a report released by the DHS, the new scanners will be able to detect shrapnel, explosives, and other threats without passengers having to stop and wait for the scans. They’ll be able to simply pass through the scanners and the machin will alert agents if something dangerous is present. They will also have “privacy protection” features built into them, although it’s not clear as to what exactly those measures will be.

http://www.mrconservative.com/2014/02/32537-tsa-seeking-to-further-encroach-on-privacy-with-new-body-scanners/
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 13, 2014, 10:44:45 AM
They already have these full body machines at every airport now.

This shit has gone waaaay too far already
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: blacken700 on February 13, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
Every airport has them already,they're not going anywhere.these new ones sound better what's the big deal
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: Dos Equis on December 23, 2015, 08:58:09 AM
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Now the TSA can force you to go through the body-scanner
Chris Davies
Dec 22, 2015
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Now the TSA can force you to go through the body-scanner
 
Your next flight might include a mandatory trip through the body scanner, with the US government quietly changing the opt-out rules for searches. In a document published earlier this month, the Department of Homeland Security outlined an update to the Advanced Imagery Technology protocols used by the TSA at US airports, adding a clause which allows officers to insist travelers go through the controversial machines.

Previously, though the body scanners were present at many airports across the country, travelers were free to opt-out of the process. Billed as a privacy consideration, it meant a physical screening was mandatory, but alleviated concerns held by some that the technology could "see them naked" and store photographs of that.

Now, though, that option is being diluted, though not completely retired.

"TSA is updating the AIT PIA to reflect a change to the operating protocol regarding the ability of individuals to opt opt-out of AIT screening in favor of physical screening," the DHS writes. "While passengers may generally decline AIT screening in favor of physical screening, TSA may direct mandatory AIT screening for some passengers."

No more detailed explanation for the change is given. However, it seems likely that the scanners' ability to single out metallic objects hidden around the body - and that might have been missed by a physical search from a TSA agent - is seen as invaluable for whoever security services believe presents a greater-than-normal risk.

The document also points out that the scanners do not store or transmit any of the graphics captured while travelers are using them; instead, such images are only shown on the nearby display until TSA agents can physically check the specific area.

Meanwhile, unlike the earlier - now retired - scanners which did indeed show nudity, the newer system "replaces the individual's image with that of a generic figure" the DHS writes.

All the same, it's likely that the change in policy could cause a few headaches at airports should travelers want to opt-out but be informed that the only way they can get to their gate is to submit to body scanning.

http://www.slashgear.com/now-the-tsa-can-force-you-to-go-through-the-body-scanner-22419599/
Title: Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
Post by: OzmO on December 23, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
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