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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #150 on: November 18, 2010, 09:18:14 PM »
Do those private security services have to follow procedures mandated by the federal government?

Yes, that is correct.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #151 on: November 18, 2010, 09:20:52 PM »
still not logical.  You're the one that doesn't seem to mind.  I never said they were porno quality images ::)  End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc...  That's some sick shit bro.  This is a government agency violating the constitution.  I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved.  These are policies set by the government.  Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives.  You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure...  Sounds stupid to me.  That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.

We should all start requesting these images starting right now through the Freedom of Information Act.  GIZMODO already received 35,000 images from a court room scanner in Florida. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #152 on: November 19, 2010, 06:03:59 AM »
still not logical.  You're the one that doesn't seem to mind.  I never said they were porno quality images ::)  End, you're ok with haveing some dude touch your junk or being exposed to X-rays and ok with that happening to everyone's kids, wife, mother etc...  That's some sick shit bro.  This is a government agency violating the constitution.  I really don't think it matters that a private company is involved.  These are policies set by the government.  Every medical X ray you have, they make sure to protect your goods even when not directly exposed, TSA is most interested in making sure they expose that area even though the scans can't pick up things like plastic exposives.  You're ok with hanging your family jewels out there for direct exposure...  Sounds stupid to me.  That's fine, you want to be stupid, but I don't like the fact that you're pushing your stupidity on others.

Is there proof that these machines have more radiation content than typical Xrays?  I would doubt it seeing that xrays penetrate much deeper.  I didn't see any depth beyond clothing in the images.  No bones, significant organ imaging.

Again, you cry about this, but not about how the exact same company already violates your 4th Amendment rights with their current practices along with the 1st and 2nd Amendment too.  You want to be insecure and paranoid, go ahead.  You can push those qualities along with your self projections on others too if they are stupid enough to follow you.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #153 on: November 19, 2010, 06:23:11 AM »
Is there proof that these machines have more radiation content than typical Xrays?  I would doubt it seeing that xrays penetrate much deeper.  I didn't see any depth beyond clothing in the images.  No bones, significant organ imaging..
Proof that they have more radiation than medical X-Rays?.. no dumbass...  Everyone knows these body scans are at a lower exposure.  I've already posted it, did you not read the threads on the subject before shooting your mouth off?  The rest isn't worth commenting on if you havn't done the reading...

Is there proof X-rays are harmful?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... ::)

Yea, at any level they can be.  It depends on a lot of factors doesn't it?  Probably more factors than I can name.  Are you older than shit, are you to young, do you have a compromised immune system, do you have a family history of skin canser...  any way you want to cut it, it's still ionizing radiation.  With the amount of people going through these scanners, there will be a number of those who are condemded to death for going through them.  That's just a fact you don't give a shit about.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #154 on: November 19, 2010, 08:12:30 AM »
If you go to a museum and they want to scan or pat you down, you can easily say no.  They can easily say "The exit is that way".  Same thing here.

Flying is not a constitutional right.  Once you purchase a flight ticket you are already submitting and agreeing to the rules anyway.

It may not be a constitutional right but according to this:

US Code - Section 40103: Sovereignty and use:

(a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit. - (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. To further that right, the Secretary of Transportation shall consult with the Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board established under section 502 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 792) before prescribing a regulation or issuing an order or procedure that will have a significant impact on the accessibility of commercial airports or commercial air transportation for handicapped individuals.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #155 on: November 19, 2010, 08:50:08 AM »
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
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(CBS) A flight attendant and cancer survivor said she was forced to remove and show her prosthetic breast to a TSA agent during a security pat-down.

Cathy Bossi of Charlotte, who has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, told CBS Affiliate WBTV that in August she was asked to go through the new full-body scanners at Charlotte Douglas International Airport.

As a 3-year breast cancer survivor Bossi said she didn't want the added radiation through her body, but reluctantly agreed.

"The TSA agent told me to put my ID on my back," Boss told WBTV correspondent Molly Grantham. "When I got out of there, she said because my ID was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."

Bossi was taken to a private room where two female Charlotte TSA agents began what she calls an "aggressive" pat-down.

Bossi said the exam halted when they got around to feeling her right breast - the one where she'd had surgery.

"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?' Bossi recalled. "And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that.'"

Bossi was asked to remove her prosthetic breast from her bra and show it to the agent.

She said she did not take down the name of the agent because of the "horrific" nature of the experience.

"It just blew my mind. I couldn't believe that somebody had done that to me,'" she told WBTV.

Bossi has since contacted the flight attendants union's Legislative Affairs Team.

She says there are better alternatives to such intrusive examinations.

"There are blowers and there are dogs that could sniff out bombs," she said. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."

A TSA representative told WBTV that agents are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic, but aren’t supposed to remove them. Later, the TSA contacted the station and said they would review the Bossi matter.


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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #156 on: November 19, 2010, 09:03:06 AM »
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
CBS ^ | 11/19/2010



OMG ::)  You have no idea what is going through my mind right now... pretty much can't say... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #157 on: November 19, 2010, 09:28:47 AM »
OMG ::)  You have no idea what is going through my mind right now... pretty much can't say... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Man oh man.....I am lost for words on that one....she was a flight attendant for 32 yrs !!! 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #158 on: November 19, 2010, 09:31:36 AM »
I am taking a flight in February - someone feels up my girl like that in public  - you will read about the aftermath in the NY Post. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #159 on: November 19, 2010, 09:36:36 AM »
I am taking a flight in February - someone feels up my girl like that in public  - you will read about the aftermath in the NY Post. 

What is the deal with kids/babies?  Seems like this overdose of radiation on an adult can't be good, what about small children?

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #160 on: November 19, 2010, 09:41:37 AM »
What is the deal with kids/babies?  Seems like this overdose of radiation on an adult can't be good, what about small children?

I had an argument with a buddy of mine last night.  He is a former US Marshall an hispanic who agrees with all this crap.   

I said:  "Bro - give me one example in the last ten years of a white, black, or hispanic person trying to hijack an American airline to commit an act of intl terrorism justifying this craziness?" 


SILENCE!   

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #161 on: November 19, 2010, 09:44:01 AM »
I had an argument with a buddy of mine last night.  He is a former US Marshall an hispanic who agrees with all this crap.   

I said:  "Bro - give me one example in the last ten years of a white, black, or hispanic person trying to hijack an American airline to commit an act of intl terrorism justifying this craziness?" 


SILENCE!   

EXACTLY.....we are trying to be so PC that we are missing the whole point, which is to make travel safer, not to make a certain group of individuals feel they aren't being targeted.....

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #162 on: November 19, 2010, 09:46:52 AM »
Napolitano considering allowing Muslim women to pat themselves down at Airports!
By Jack Minor

With the holidays fast approaching, the Transportation Safety Agency has announced new security procedures requiring passengers selected for secondary screening to go through a machine that produces a full body scan producing a nude but grainy, black and white image. Passengers choosing to opt out of the scan will face a full body pat.

The head of Homeland Security has indicated the government is considering the request of an Islamic organization that has suggested Muslim women be allowed to pat themselves down during a full body search that is part of new enhanced procedures at airports.

Since implementing the procedures, numerous complaints have arisen that the search is not a “pat-down” but rather feeling and grabbing along a person’s genitalia and other areas until they meet resistance. Critics have said the pat-downs would be considered sexual assault if performed elsewhere.

The TSA defends the procedures as necessary in light of last years “underwear bomber” and the recent issues involving printer cartridges being used in an attempt to blow up cargo planes.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, CAIR, has expressed concern with the TSA over the regulations and recommended special procedures for dealing with Muslim women. The organization issued a travel advisory for Muslims over the procedure.

In the advisory CAIR advises all Muslims to contact them and file a complaint with the TSA if they experience any “disturbing incidents” with the new procedures and they feel they have been unfairly singled out for screening.

It goes on to make special recommendations for Muslim women wearing a hijab covering their face. The advisory says women are to inform the officer they are only to pat down the head and neck and says “They should not subject you to a full-body or partial body pat-down.” They also recommend that women should be permitted to pat themselves down and “have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.”

Barack Obama’s Homeland Security Czar, Janet Napolitano, is considering changes to the procedures to address the issues raised by CAIR.

Since announcing the rules, several organizations have expressed concern over the procedures. Pilots and flight crews have expressed concern about constant exposure to the low level radiation generated by the machine, but the government denies any danger from having the scan done. The U.S. Airline Pilots Association has issued instructions to members to call in sick and not board a flight if they are too upset to fly after a pat-down. The Allied Pilots Association has urged members to boycott the body imaging machines.

At least one website has recommended Americans boycott the body scans by recommending everyone chosen for additional screening on Nov. 24 to opt out of the body scans and choose the pat down. Some have expressed alarm over the recommendation saying it could slow down or halt the security process on the day before Thanksgiving.

New Jersey lawmakers have pending resolutions demanding Congress tell the TSA that people must not be forced to give up their fourth amendment rights when they choose to travel by airline.

A Reuters poll asking if individuals were less likely to fly as a result of the new procedures revealed 96 percent of respondents affirming they would make alternate travel plans to avoid intrusive security and pat-downs.

John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, said the regulations came straight from the President himself.

In a recent commentary Whitehead said “legislation has been proposed to mandate full-body scanners and make them the primary screening method in all U.S. airports by 2013, but Congress has yet to act on it. So we can thank Barack Obama for this frontal assault on our Fourth Amendment rights.” He went on to say “Yet in the wake of the bumbling underwear bomber’s botched Christmas Day attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound plane, Obama directed the Homeland Security Department to acquire $1 billion in advanced-technology equipment, including body scanners, for screening passengers at airports.”

The machines have been purchased from California based Rapiscan Systems. The company is a client of the Chertoff Group, a security consulting agency headed by former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff who has lobbied for the need for installing the machines in airports.

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=6687


Brilliant logic once again from this anti-American C*NT. The religious demographic to blame for this entire situation is once again trying to worm their way out of having to partake in it, all while their cronies in Washington enable them.  >:(

CAIR = terrorist organization.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #163 on: November 19, 2010, 09:50:19 AM »
DAMN bf! ! !  !

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #164 on: November 19, 2010, 09:52:43 AM »
That pisses me off so bad, I can't see straight........if I am ever in line at the airport and see that shit take place I will end up arrested as i will lose my ever loving mind over it......

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #165 on: November 19, 2010, 09:57:15 AM »
Interesting she will consider changing the procedures because of CAIR, but ignores the rest of the American people. Seems to me Incompetano needs her worthless ass thrown the fuck out of any position of power in this country.
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« Reply #166 on: November 19, 2010, 10:01:39 AM »
My argument with my friend was  this:

"We all know who is most likely to commit the terrorism, so why focus all this effort on a portion of the people statistically irrelevent to any conversation such as 90 y/o grannies, etc etc?"

He gave me the typical law enforcement nonsense of being that "anyone and everyone is a potential suspect" blah blah. 

Typical.     

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #167 on: November 19, 2010, 10:03:58 AM »
My argument with my friend was  this:

"We all know who is most likely to commit the terrorism, so why focus all this effort on a portion of the people statistically irrelevent to any conversation such as 90 y/o grannies, etc etc?"

He gave me the typical law enforcement nonsense of being that "anyone and everyone is a potential suspect" blah blah. 

Typical.     

Tell him REAL cops don't agree......when my brother was a cop in south florida during the drug years of the late 80's and 90's he said he was asked by a scumbag he arrested....."Why are you always arresting black people?"  his response was "Because you are commiting the crimes"  US marshall is a political position, much like the FBI.

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« Reply #168 on: November 19, 2010, 10:10:55 AM »
Tell him REAL cops don't agree......when my brother was a cop in south florida during the drug years of the late 80's and 90's he said he was asked by a scumbag he arrested....."Why are you always arresting black people?"  his response was "Because you are commiting the crimes"  US marshall is a political position, much like the FBI.

What i tried to explain to him was that me being a 35 y/o strong, self defense trained, white guy, is that i am most likely the guy who will save others and fight these assholes in hand to hand combat, not the guy who needs my balls groped. 

His stupid ass could not grasp that concept. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #169 on: November 19, 2010, 10:20:53 AM »
For some reason the younger generation seems to think government is the answer to everything. One thing I have learned is that you depend on yourself because the government won't be there when you need them.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #170 on: November 19, 2010, 12:10:09 PM »
Proof that they have more radiation than medical X-Rays?.. no dumbass...  Everyone knows these body scans are at a lower exposure.  I've already posted it, did you not read the threads on the subject before shooting your mouth off?  The rest isn't worth commenting on if you havn't done the reading...

Is there proof X-rays are harmful?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA.... ::)

Yea, at any level they can be.  It depends on a lot of factors doesn't it?  Probably more factors than I can name.  Are you older than shit, are you to young, do you have a compromised immune system, do you have a family history of skin canser...  any way you want to cut it, it's still ionizing radiation.  With the amount of people going through these scanners, there will be a number of those who are condemded to death for going through them.  That's just a fact you don't give a shit about.

I never said Xrays were not harmful.  Where did you read that?  Certainly not in any of my replies.  Completely irrelevant little spout off there.  Try harder.

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"   When in fact they are not xrays at all are they?  Nor are they expending more radiation are they?  And your point of saying they were is what again?  Besides nothing.  Seems that everyone knew this EXCEPT YOU.  Perhaps you should get your facts straight and post accordingly.  Then you won't be corrected again on it.

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #171 on: November 19, 2010, 12:23:33 PM »
Only Muslims should be patted down and forced to go through the x-ray machines (men and women).  Come on Napolitano, use some common sense. 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #172 on: November 19, 2010, 12:51:38 PM »
TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast
CBS ^ | 11/19/2010




(CBS) A flight attendant and cancer survivor said she was forced to remove and show her prosthetic breast to a TSA agent during a security pat-down.

Cathy Bossi of Charlotte, who has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, told CBS Affiliate WBTV that in August she was asked to go through the new full-body scanners at Charlotte Douglas International Airport.

As a 3-year breast cancer survivor Bossi said she didn't want the added radiation through her body, but reluctantly agreed.

"The TSA agent told me to put my ID on my back," Boss told WBTV correspondent Molly Grantham. "When I got out of there, she said because my ID was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."

Bossi was taken to a private room where two female Charlotte TSA agents began what she calls an "aggressive" pat-down.

Bossi said the exam halted when they got around to feeling her right breast - the one where she'd had surgery.

"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?' Bossi recalled. "And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that.'"

Bossi was asked to remove her prosthetic breast from her bra and show it to the agent.

She said she did not take down the name of the agent because of the "horrific" nature of the experience.

"It just blew my mind. I couldn't believe that somebody had done that to me,'" she told WBTV.

Bossi has since contacted the flight attendants union's Legislative Affairs Team.

She says there are better alternatives to such intrusive examinations.

"There are blowers and there are dogs that could sniff out bombs," she said. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."

A TSA representative told WBTV that agents are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic, but aren’t supposed to remove them. Later, the TSA contacted the station and said they would review the Bossi matter.



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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #173 on: November 19, 2010, 12:56:04 PM »
I never said Xrays were not harmful.  Where did you read that?  Certainly not in any of my replies.  Completely irrelevant little spout off there.  Try harder.

You were the one stating ""   When in fact they are not xrays at all are they?  Nor are they expending more radiation are they?  And your point of saying they were is what again?  Besides nothing.  Seems that everyone knew this EXCEPT YOU.  Perhaps you should get your facts straight and post accordingly.  Then you won't be corrected again on it.
you know what happens when you start playing stupid with my replies... yup, I probably won't bother responding... 

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Re: New full body scanners at Honolulu Airport unveiled
« Reply #174 on: November 19, 2010, 03:54:26 PM »
It may not be a constitutional right but according to this:

US Code - Section 40103: Sovereignty and use:

(a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit. - (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. To further that right, the Secretary of Transportation shall consult with the Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board established under section 502 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 792) before prescribing a regulation or issuing an order or procedure that will have a significant impact on the accessibility of commercial airports or commercial air transportation for handicapped individuals.



Good find.