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I know the dosages are not accurate at all but is this about the extent of what pros take for a show?
I didn't read the article as it was in last months MD...My buddy asked me about it and yesterday I found a thread on MD about it...
Muscular Development October 2010 By. Dan Gwartney, M.D.
Weeks 16-9:
Anabolics:
Test E - 1600mg/wk
Nandrolone Decanote- 600mg/wk
Tren A - 150mg/wk
Oxandrolone - 20mg/day
HCG - 400iu/wk
hgh - 6iu/day
IGF1 - 80mcg/every other day
Insulin - 6 to 10 iu post workout
Fat Reduction:
Ephedrine/Caffine - 50/400 mg /day
Armour Thyroid Extract - 1.5grains/day
Arimidex - 0.5mg/every other day
Teslac: 50mg/day
Adjunct Drugs:
finastride-2mgs/day
lisinopril - 5mg/day
Weeks 8-3
Test E - 600mgs/wk
Tren A - 150mg/wk
Methenolone enathate - 600mg/wk
stanozolo tabs- 40mg/day
anadriol oral - 240mg/day
hcg - 250iu/wk
hgh: 4iu/day
igf1 - 80mcg/day
insulin 6iu with meal after morning cardio
insulin 6 iu with post workout
Fatloss:
Ephedrine/caffeine - 75/500
Clen - 2tabs/"on day" (2on2off cycle)
armour tyroid extract: 1.25 grains/day
cytomel: 25mcg/day
arimidex: 1mg/day alternate w/ .5mg/day
teslac: 100mgs/day
ajd drugs:
lisinopril 10mgs/day
viagra as needed
week2 - day 4
test e - 200mg (week 2 only)
tren A - 150mg (week 2 only)
win V inject - 100mg/day
methenolone enanthate - 600mg/wk
winstrol oral - 80mg/day
oxandrolone - 20mgs/day
hgh - 3iu/day
insulin: 4 iu with morning meal after cardio
insulin: 4 iu post wokrout
Fatloss
Eph/caf - 75/500 mg/day
clen: 3tabs/day
armour thyroid ext: 1 grain/day
cytomel: 50mcg/day
Arimidex: 1mg/day
teslac 150mg/day
adj drugs
lisinopril: 12.5mg/day
Day 3-0
primo A oral - 250mg/day
winstrol v orial - 50mgs/day
hgh: 2iu/day
Fatloss:
ephedrine/caffine - 50/200 mg/day
clen - 4 tabs/day
arimidex 1mg/day
teslac 150mg/day
cytomel: 100 mcg/day
waterloss
aldactone: 100mg/day
dyazide: 1tab pm (day 1) 1 tab am (day 2)
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generally discouraged, use not uncommon
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In before...."yes, but multiply everything x 3"
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fuck taking all that ???
what happened to taking a few dbol's and eating a lot ;D
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fuck taking all that ???
what happened to taking a few dbol's and eating a lot ;D
Mr. Basil is from a different era...lol
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LOL @ the dosages, also deca and test E before a contest?!?! not bloody likely.
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Mr. Basil is from a different era...lol
One fuctup sub culture
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:o
that's more shit than in phar or chem lab.
:(
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it would take a big fridge to hold that much gear
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Enanthate literally a couple of weeks out?? Intersting..
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I'm surprised Bleckman has the balls to put it in the mag and call it the Olympia Stack.
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Enanthate literally a couple of weeks out?? Intersting..
Would it be an issue with enough AI?
Also 1600mg might not be too far off on the test for some of the smaller guys. Remember that's ~ an amp a day of human grade. Still a shitload. And don't get me wrong, I know most are taking a lot more.
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Would it be an issue with enough AI?
Also 1600mg might not be too far off on the test for some of the smaller guys. Remember that's ~ an amp a day of human grade. Still a shitload. And don't get me wrong, I know most are taking a lot more.
Either way I'm calling bullshit on the enanthate and deca, no sane person would take that within 12 weeks of a contest..
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Either way I'm calling bullshit on the enanthate and deca, no sane person would take that within 12 weeks of a contest..
hahahahahahaha yes i will listen to your advice on steroids.
you are a real monster after all hahahahahahaha
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Either way I'm calling bullshit on the enanthate and deca, no sane person would take that within 12 weeks of a contest..
I see what you are saying. The 150mg a WEEK of Tren Ace sets off the BS alarm for me. It would be fairly difficult to even dose that. Half a ml every other day or something. :D
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Either way I'm calling bullshit on the enanthate and deca, no sane person would take that within 12 weeks of a contest..
Plenty of high level guys do and that's a fact.
In any case this is a very suboptimal cycle IMO. Even if mg's were kept the same there's better products and combos to use. To me it sounds like Dan Gwartney talked to some amateur in the 90s and then it became a pro stack in 2010. :D
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Plenty of high level guys do and that's a fact.
In any case this is a very suboptimal cycle IMO. Even if mg's were kept the same there's better products and combos to use. To me it sounds like Dan Gwartney talked to some amateur in the 90s and then it became a pro stack in 2010. :D
Right, typical ghostwritten garbage.
The gh/slin are obviously ridiculously low, too. Much more so than the test.
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To me it sounds like Dan Gwartney talked to some amateur in the 90s and then it became a pro stack in 2010. :D
Hahaha
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The gh/slin are obviously ridiculously low, too. Much more so than the test.
Yes. GH is basically always as high as one can afford.
Trenbolone also is rarely used at that low a dosage by anyone. Primo isn't that popular either. I wonder if anyone really bothers with Andriol? Milos said this was a Halo substitute last week or so but I doubt it's popular.
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Plenty of high level guys do and that's a fact.
Enanthate + letro = no problem.
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Plenty of high level guys do and that's a fact.
In any case this is a very suboptimal cycle IMO. Even if mg's were kept the same there's better products and combos to use. To me it sounds like Dan Gwartney talked to some amateur in the 90s and then it became a pro stack in 2010. :D
No they don't dude..
name one major competitor that uses deca or enanthate before a contest, it's unheard of and retarded
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hahahahahahaha yes i will listen to your advice on steroids.
you are a real monster after all hahahahahahaha
Yeah we should all listen to your 600lb lard ass instead..
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No they don't dude..
name one major competitor that uses deca or enanthate before a contest, it's unheard of and retarded
I know for a fact that one CRAZY RIPPED national competitior does.
I was on test enanthate and Deca in this photo (I know I am not a "major competitor") but I was pretty lean.
I think the letrozole took care of the water very well
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No they don't dude..
name one major competitor that uses deca or enanthate before a contest, it's unheard of and retarded
I can't name any I know personally since I won't air anyone's personal business they didn't choose to put out there themselves. I do know of a couple of pros and countless amateurs who use enanthate all the way up to the show. Sustanon, this "water retaining" product, is also popular all the way up to the show, for example in the Middle Eastern countries and these guys get crazy hard. EQ is more popular than Deca, but Deca is not uncommon during first part of that 12 week period. Many use NPP in the belief that it causes less water retention but it's still the same hormone.
As far as what's made public by others, refer to Palumbo's recs. Long acting test all the way up to the show.
Here's a post by the late Dave Jacobs. Nandrolone the last 5 weeks, long acting test up to 5 weeks out.
If you want to take up and total up all mgs of gear then yes there are many who do up to close to and over 5g of gear on a weekly basis.
For example. I know someone who did the following for the Olympia last year:
Test - 2.5g weekly (long acting at start then 5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
EQ - 600mg Weekly
Durabolin - 700 mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Winstrol - 350mg weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Masteron - 350mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Proviron - 700mg Weekly (100mg daily)
Halotestin - 210mg Weekly (30mg daily) (Last 5 weeks pre contest)
Nolvadex - 210mg Weekly (30mg Daily)
Anavar - 420mg weekly (60mg daily)
not calculated
10iu HgH daily
25mcg IGF1 - Daily
So that in itself gives you 6040mg or 6.04 grams per week.
I think that is on the very high end and for a big show. A normal "off season" cycle would not have near that much stuff in it.
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I can't name any I know personally since I won't air anyone's personal business they didn't choose to put out there themselves. I do know of a couple of pros and countless amateurs who use enanthate all the way up to the show. Sustanon, this "water retaining" product, is also popular all the way up to the show, for example in the Middle Eastern countries and these guys get crazy hard. EQ is more popular than Deca, but Deca is not uncommon during first part of that 12 week period. Many use NPP in the belief that it causes less water retention but it's still the same hormone.
As far as what's made public by others, refer to Palumbo's recs. Long acting test all the way up to the show.
Here's a post by the late Dave Jacobs. Nandrolone the last 5 weeks, long acting test up to 5 weeks out.
For example. I know someone who did the following for the Olympia last year:
Test - 2.5g weekly (long acting at start then 5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
EQ - 600mg Weekly
Durabolin - 700 mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Winstrol - 350mg weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Masteron - 350mg Weekly (last 5 weeks pre contest)
Proviron - 700mg Weekly (100mg daily)
Halotestin - 210mg Weekly (30mg daily) (Last 5 weeks pre contest)
Nolvadex - 210mg Weekly (30mg Daily)
Anavar - 420mg weekly (60mg daily)
not calculated
10iu HgH daily
25mcg IGF1 - Daily
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That sounds about right. I glanced over the cycle of one pro (sent to a friend of his on same supp label) who isn't top tier but very well known (an 'animal' known for his arms/forearms, haha ;)) and it was definitely in there.
A smart competitor certainly uses top HG long acting test instead of UG prop, if for example they can't get Testovis or Virormone. Many do think they have to switch to prop instead of enanthate because that's what "everyone does". I just don't think the enanthate is a problem in getting dry in most cases. It's like thinking Anadrol can't be used pre-contest because it makes you bloated and is an "off-season drug".
5 weeks out switching to prop and phenyl prop)
If you've been blasting 2.5 grams of Enanthate how long do you think it will be active after you stop? Levels will be higher than in Gwartney's example of a mere 200mg in the end.
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A smart competitor certainly uses top HG long acting test instead of UG prop, if for example they can't get Testovis or Virormone. Many do think they have to switch to prop instead of enanthate because that's what "everyone does". I just don't think the enanthate is a problem in getting dry in most cases. It's like thinking Anadrol can't be used pre-contest because it makes you bloated and is an "off-season drug".
Right- and just from a logistics thing, pinning the total amount they do is a lot easier with TE, I would imagine. ;)
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A smart competitor certainly uses top HG long acting test instead of UG prop, if for example they can't get Testovis or Virormone. Many do think they have to switch to prop instead of enanthate because that's what "everyone does". I just don't think the enanthate is a problem in getting dry in most cases. It's like thinking Anadrol can't be used pre-contest because it makes you bloated and is an "off-season drug".
If you've been blasting 2.5 grams of Enanthate how long do you think it will be active after you stop? Levels will be higher than in Gwartney's example of a mere 200mg in the end.
The problem is enanthate and cypionate are more prone to water retention, prop not so much, as you're getting ready for a contest you're trying to minimize and lose any water you're holding.. there are some great HG prop's out there, farmak is one example of a phenomenal HG prop, it's from Ukraine and made with ethyl oleate. Great stuff.
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Where does the Anator P70, plazmosis and animal stack fit into this regimen?
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Enanthate + letro = no problem.
keto diet also works.
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Where does the Anator P70, plazmosis and animal stack fit into this regimen?
That goes without saying that's why it's not posted...
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keto diet also works.
::)
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keto diet also works.
fuck keto...no reason to go low carb unless you need to lose weight in a short time span.
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fuck keto...no reason to go low carb unless you need to lose weight in a short time span.
i agree, i was talking about holding water with long acting esters - a keto diet reduces this bloat effect from these drugs.
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i agree, i was talking about holding water with long acting esters - a keto diet reduces this bloat effect from these drugs.
Aww, got it.
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week2 - day 4
test e - 200mg (week 2 only)
tren A - 150mg (week 2 only)
win V inject - 100mg/day
methenolone enanthate - 600mg/wk
winstrol oral - 80mg/day
oxandrolone - 20mgs/day
hgh - 3iu/day
insulin: 4 iu with morning meal after cardio
insulin: 4 iu post wokrout
the week 2 -day 4 phase seems really too low in gear.
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The problem is enanthate and cypionate are more prone to water retention, prop not so much, as you're getting ready for a contest you're trying to minimize and lose any water you're holding.. there are some great HG prop's out there, farmak is one example of a phenomenal HG prop, it's from Ukraine and made with ethyl oleate. Great stuff.
Man there are no "cutting" drugs and drugs that cause "water retention". steroids are steroids period.
It all depends on the diet if you "hold water" or not.
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test E or prop when you're dieting you"re loosing fat but water retention hide your progress ?
or is there a steroid than slow the fat loss?... ???
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Man there are no "cutting" drugs and drugs that cause "water retention". steroids are steroids period.
It all depends on the diet if you "hold water" or not.
I strongly disagree, some steroids will make you hold way more water then others, some aromatize much stronger then others...deca vs. tren ace for example or test e vs. oxandrolone
if you don't believe me try it yourself, maintain the exact same diet and cardio and go on 1000mg of test E
then do another cycle of just prop, anavar and winstrol
the difference will be clear as day to you.
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I strongly disagree, some steroids will make you hold way more water then others, some aromatize much stronger then others...deca vs. tren ace for example or test e vs. oxandrolone
if you don't believe me try it yourself, maintain the exact same diet and cardio and go on 1000mg of test E
then do another cycle of just prop, anavar and winstrol
the difference will be clear as day to you.
gh15 said once, using dbol a few weeks out is not uncommon for some guys.
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we have base as i keep saying to you ,, we have the base like car has wheels with air in it at 20-30 psi,,we dont deviate from this bases,,then we add and subtract the rest,, also like sevio say test is our blood,,NO TEST = NO BODYBUILDER no one in their right mind get off test because you can have amazing ohysiqe but with out test you wont look thick enough ,,wont be agressive enoug ,,and wont have stamina to do anything ,,your muscle will look 100 times worse with out test even if wonderfulo condition ,,THICKNESS IS EVERYTHING YOU SAW IT WITH JASON THIS TIME AROUND,,
gh15 approved
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we have base as i keep saying to you ,, we have the base like car has wheels with air in it at 20-30 psi,,we dont deviate from this bases,,then we add and subtract the rest,, also like sevio say test is our blood,,NO TEST = NO BODYBUILDER no one in their right mind get off test because you can have amazing ohysiqe but with out test you wont look thick enough ,,wont be agressive enoug ,,and wont have stamina to do anything ,,your muscle will look 100 times worse with out test even if wonderfulo condition ,,THICKNESS IS EVERYTHING YOU SAW IT WITH JASON THIS TIME AROUND,,
gh15 approved
So what do you think of the stack? outside of dosages of course?
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Coming off of 3 grams of any test ester will make zero difference two weeks out from a show. Deca usually is replaced for EQ closer coming into a show. Personally I like EQ better mg for mg. The anavar should be run at 150 to 200 mg daily. Some do better staying on the GH up to the show as it keeps them fuller with no sub Q water retention, but this is person dependent. All the other stuff is just an add on to a base of drugs that are already used. The anavar isn't, but I singled it out because the dose is way too low in this non Olympia ;) cycle.