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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Soul Crusher on October 22, 2010, 02:42:55 PM
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$%^^&&*&* - You motherfuckers supporting obama need to fucking kill yourselves. Honestly - don't respond to me - don't even talk to me anymore.
I just got notice two minutes AGO that on top of the 25% increase I just got this year on Health Care costs - the carrier we have in the office just gave notice of 30% INCREASE in our health care costs as a result of ObamaCare on top of the last one!
I am so livid you have no idea over this.
FFUCCCKK YYYOOOUUUU OBBBAAMMMAA! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
FFUCCKK YYOOUUUU ANYONEONE SUPPORTING THIS COMMUNIST FFFUCCCKK!!!
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$%^^&&*&* - You motherfuckers supporting obama need to fucking kill yourselves. Honestly - don't respond to me - don't even talk to me anymore.
I just got notice two minutes AGO that on top of the 25% increase I just got this year on Health Care costs - the carrier we have in the office just gave notice of 30% INCREASE in our health care costs as a result of ObamaCare on top of the last one!
I am so livid you have no idea over this.
FFUCCCKK YYYOOOUUUU OBBBAAMMMAA! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
FFUCCKK YYOOUUUU ANYONEONE SUPPROTING THIS COMMUNIST FFFUCCCKK!!!
Meltdown...and youre lying too
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Meltdown...and youre lying too
You want me to attach the letter I just got?
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You want me to attach the letter I just got?
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YES
I scanned it via PDF. How do i convert it to jpg.?
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I dont know computer shit
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I dont know computer shit
I tried attaching it but the site does not let me post PDF.
Here is a copy of something similar I just got today.
http://www.ins.state.ny.us/health/prior_app/notices_102010/10122010_Atlantis_Notice_all.pdf
Since we have 3 employees, and one gets her insurance through family - we are under HMO - Sole Proprietor
I am going to take a shit on the letter we got and send it to obama.
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OMG you fuckin liar...i just read the Proceedings from this insurance hearings and...you already know where im gonna go with this..so you can either erase this lying ass thread or i will out you
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OMG you fuckin liar...i just read the Proceedings from this insurance hearings and...you already know where im gonna go with this..so you can either erase this lying ass thread or i will out you
hhuuhh? ? ?
They are going for a 32% increase from the State Insurance Department, which they almost always get as a matter of routine.
My agent told me today is was due tot he new health law - you want her number?
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or What does mr Dwyer say is the reason for the hikes
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or What does mr Dwyer say is the reason for the hikes
i already told you - my agent told us it was the neww health care law - and by the way - we just got a 255 increase a few months ago on top ogf this.
I thought Obama Care was supposed to drop the costs of coverage?
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hhuuhh? ? ?
They are going for a 32% increase from the State Insurance Department, which they almost always get as a matter of routine.
My agent told me today is was due tot he new health law - you want her number?
no no no...this was based off numbers from 2008...
http://www.ins.state.ny.us/hearing/atlantis_hear_052009/Atlantic-transcript.pdf
Thats the link to the hearing
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i already told you - my agent told us it was the neww health care law - and by the way - we just got a 255 increase a few months ago on top ogf this.
I thought Obama Care was supposed to drop the costs of coverage?
Ill let it slide and say that your agent lied to you...because as per this hearing...the new health plan has nothing to do with the hikes...
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I scanned it via PDF. How do i convert it to jpg.?
Screen shot works nicely you crybaby.
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Meltdown...and youre lying too
Wait... don't you mean....
wait for it.....
MMMEEELLLTTTTDDDDOOOOWWW WNNNNNN!!! You know, like he does when trying to convey an epic post.
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OMG you fuckin liar...i just read the Proceedings from this insurance hearings and...you already know where im gonna go with this..so you can either erase this lying ass thread or i will out you
Damn it's been a long week for 33338bitch hasn't it? You have been owning this clown nonstop for the last two days that I have logged on here regularly.
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or i will out you
what the hell is this mal?
I don't know what you're referring to but nice fucking threat. Didn't think you were one of these types. ::)
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what the hell is this mal?
I don't know what you're referring to but nice fucking threat. Didn't think you were one of these types. ::)
Im not with totally blasting someone out before i hear them out...so ill hear his side...and he said his agent told him the hikes were due to Obama care..and she might have lied to him
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Im not with totally blasting someone out before i hear them out...so ill hear his side...and he said his agent told him the hikes were due to Obama care..and she might have lied to him
alright I must have misunderstood I thought you were threatening outting personal info or some shit. My apologies 8)
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alright I must have misunderstood I thought you were threatening outting personal info or some shit. My apologies 8)
Oh hell naw...im not on that...FAWK NO i dont beleive in that shit..i got the terms messed up.. i didnt know the word OUT carried that kind of weight...sorry for the mix up
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Oh hell naw...im not on that...FAWK NO i dont beleive in that shit..i got the terms messed up.. i didnt know the word OUT carried that kind of weight...sorry for the mix up
no worries. you've remained a man of integrity ;D
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I scanned it via PDF. How do i convert it to jpg.?
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I scanned it via PDF. How do i convert it to jpg.?
Scan it again but this time instruct your scanning software to save it as a jpeg. Or you scan as a picture instead of a document.
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Do you guys really wonder why half the nation hates him?
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Do you guys really wonder why half the nation hates him?
don't you mean why you hate him enough for half the nation
seriously dude - you've got to pace yourself or you're going to have an aneurysm before Obama even starts his second term
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I scanned it via PDF. How do i convert it to jpg.?
As much as I hate it when you scream, ...screaming is certainly preferable to your putting a bullet through your head.
To make a jpg of it:
1) Open up the paint.exe program on your computer.
2) Open the pdf document in a separate window.
3) Using the snapshot tool within pdf, isolate the relevant area on the notice.
4) Copy the relevant area
5) Paste the content within the blank paint.exe window.
6) Name your newly create paint document and save it in .jpg format.
7) Attach the newly created .jpg to this thread.
Hope That Helps. :)
ps: If your insurance carrier covers "suicide" or strokes, ...you might want to explore adding that coverage to your policy. ;D
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Re: I REALLY F$%^ING HATE OBAMA AND THE LEFT - HONESTLY - HE SHOULD GFH!!
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 02:15:26 PM » Quote
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OMG you fuckin liar...i just read the Proceedings from this insurance hearings and...you already know where im gonna go with this..so you can either erase this lying ass thread or i will out you
333368 owned ;D
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20100830/PULSE/100829807
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Atlantis Health Plan's $20 million insolvency
Atlantis Health Plan, a doctor-owned managed care plan, is insolvent by nearly $20 million, according to the state Department of Insurance. Atlantis is negotiating with DOI and an unnamed private investor on terms for injecting $12 million into the company. DOI is giving Atlantis 60 days from Sept. 1 to work out terms. “We're trying to work with the investor on infusing money and keeping Atlantis going through a difficult process,” says a DOI spokesman.
Atlantis Chief Operating Officer Thomas Dwyer said in a statement Friday that Atlantis signed a letter of intent with an investor and is negotiating definitive agreements. “The recapitalization is currently slated to close on or about Nov. 1, contingent on certain closing conditions” and DOI approval, he said.
The health plan's niche is low-cost insurance for New York small businesses, including a sizable enrollment in Healthy New York. If the restructuring fails, Atlantis' closure would send 25,000 people to seek coverage from other insurers.
To shave liabilities, Atlantis and the investor will ask doctors and hospitals to negotiate claims. “It's up to the providers if they want to take a lesser amount,” says a DOI spokesman. “But providers are under no obligation to accept a haircut on their claims.”
Hospitals, however, complain Atlantis is saying regulators will not permit it to pay claims right now. DOI says that is untrue; the plan is not in liquidation.
Atlantis' health has deteriorated sharply since December, when it was operating with a $2.7 million deficit in its statutory reserves. Mr. Dwyer said that “federal and local health insurance reform initiatives have not been helpful and in fact have been hurtful to the small business community. Unfortunately, Atlantis has not been immune to these difficult economic conditions.”
The recapitalization, he added, “will allow Atlantis to emerge from its financial difficulties and move forward more successfully.”
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AND I AM OWNED?
Please - you idiots who supported ObamaCare have no freaking clue how bad this mess is.
And BTW - I posted the clips from Obama promising PREMIUM DECREASES. Was that a lie too or just another Obama screw up?
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Updated: Mon., Sep. 13, 2010, 6:32 PM
Get set for big premium hikes
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY
www.nypost.com
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President Obama is boasting that his new health law provides "free" preventive care, such as mammograms and colonoscopies. But when you open your mail, you'll find out that's untrue; all he's doing is making you pay for it in advance.
The government isn't going to force you to get a colonoscopy, but being forced to pay for one feels almost the same.
Millions of Americans are getting notices that their premiums are going up to pay for changes required under the ObamaCare law. Section 2713 of the law requires that those premiums include the full cost for such preventive services as Pap smears, mammograms and smoking-cessation programs. Obama's "free" really just means you won't have a co-pay if you decide to get that service. But it's not free -- merely prepaid. When a restaurant charges you $25 for the all-you-can-eat buffet, it can't claim dessert is "free."
Another reason premiums are soaring this fall is the rapid rise in Medicaid enrollment, now up to a record 50 million people nationwide. When Medicaid rolls expand, it's a double whammy for the rest of us; our taxes go up and so do our premiums.
Medicaid pays, on average, 86 cents for every dollar of care provided. Doctors and hospitals are shortchanged. They try to make up the difference by charging privately insured patients more. The average household paid almost $1,800 a year in added premiums to offset Medicaid costs before the recession began. Now, with Medicaid rolls up, that hidden tax increases your premium even more.
Get set for larger premium hikes in 2014. That's when most ObamaCare provisions go into effect.
Before Congress passed the health law, the Congressional Budget Office warned that individual and small-group health premiums would be 10 percent to 13 percent higher under ObamaCare. In other words, Congress members who voted for this law knew it would raise your insurance costs.
A major reason is the one-size-fits-all benefit package, which you'll have to have whether you want it and can afford it or not. It will include things many consumers haven't had to buy in the past, such as addiction treatment for heroin addicts (Sec. 1302).
Another reason is the expansion of Medicaid. Obama said he'd solve the problem of the uninsured by making insurance more affordable, but 60 percent of all those who will gain coverage in 2014 are being put on Medicaid -- which, again, will increase the hidden tax in your premium.
By 2019, 82 million people will be on Medicaid or S-CHIP, the public children's program -- that's more than 28 percent of all Americans under 65.
Obama pledged to "bend the cost curve" on health insurance. But he's bending the truth instead. When you open your mail, you can thank ObamaCare for the premium hike.
Betsy McCaughey, a former New York lieu tenant governor, is author of "The Obama Health Law: What It Says and How to Over turn It." betsy@hospitalinfection.org
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Again - you idiots supporting Obamacare believed all the lies and now the rest of us who actually pay for our insurance have to suffer as a result of your ignorance.
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Connecticut: ObamaCare Blamed for Huge Hike in Premiums
October 16, 2010
Rates Skyrocket 19 – 47%
By Dell Hill
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First it was California that swallowed the bad news, now it’s Connecticut’s Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield notifying the residents of the Nutmeg State they’ll be paying from 19-47 percent higher insurance rates for new customers and the blame for such sharp increases was laid squarely on the health care reform law — better known as ObamaCare.
BOB CONNORS, writing for NBCConnecticut:
“The state has given Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield the go ahead to raise premiums by as much as 47 percent for some members, and says health care reform is the reason why.
Attorney General Richard Blumenthal sent a letter to Insurance Commissioner Thomas Sullivan on Oct. 6, asking what he called “excessive” increases were approved without full consideration of all the facts. His letter mentioned rate increases for both Anthem and Aetna.
The new rates took effect Oct. 1, and include increases from 19 percent all the way to 47 percent depending on the individual, the Hartford Courant reported.
Sullivan responded to Blumenthal saying the new rates included “very rich benefits” mandated by federal law.
“There is not one person in the state of Connecticut who will see an increase in their current premiums based on what the department approved for Anthem and Aetna,” Sullivan said in a release. “The rates that were filed and approved reflect the current cost to deliver care and the impact of more comprehensive benefit designs required under the federal healthcare reform law. If the attorney general wants to complain to someone, he should complain to Congress.”
People who were enrolled in the Anthem program prior to the increase will not see a change, according to the agency. The increased rates will be applied to new customers.
In a letter to Blumenthal, Sullivan said the rates granted were reduced from the company’s original request of 39 percent to 58 percent increases.
“I find myself in an unprecedented place and time, as do my counterparts throughout the country, in overseeing one of the most far-reaching policy initiatives enacted by the federal government in recent history,” Sullivan said in the letter. “It is unfortunate that this reform, while addressing insurer behavior, has provided little to no reform of the escalating costs of the health care delivery system.”
The obvious sticker shock for Connecticut residents comes at an extremely bad time for Blumenthal. He’s currently running for the seat in Congress formerly held by Democrat Chris Dodd. What, if any, affect this massive rate increase might have on his candidacy remains to be seen. Most polls show Blumenthal leading Republican Linda McMahon by about five percentage points.
It’s also worth noting that President Obama’s promise that “your rates will not go up” will be technical upheld, seeing as how the increases only affect new policy holders, but there are thousands of those every day and they’re not going to be pleased with the latest news.
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And guess what? most companies are dropping their plans as it is so, people will be forc ed to find coverage in the new market with these dratically increased premiuims.
Great job "bending the cost curve down" ? ::) ::) ::)
Someone remind me again of Dear Leaders' relevent experience in the private sector in this area?
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You would think a real lawyer would be able to read what his agent sent him.
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You would think a real lawyer would be able to read what his agent sent him.
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I posted the page from the site where they say Obamacare is hurting the bottom line of the carriers. The agent said the same damn thing, and this is going on all across the nation, as confirmed by the many articles I posted in this thread.
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HERE ARE SOME LINKS LURKER - READ AND EDUCATE YOURSELF FOR ONCE.
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How ObamaCare Guts Medicare
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703649004575437311393854940.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion
Health law’s heavy impact by Paul Guppy (Taxes)
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/mar/28/health-laws-heavy-impact/
Obama murdered Medicare
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/15/obama-murdered-medicare/?ref=nf
Monthly premiums to rise for 7 of top 10 Medicare prescription plans in 2011
http://www.startribune.com/business/103642009.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1OiP:DiiUiacyKUnciatkEP7DhUr
Lies, Damn Lies and the ObamaCare Sales Pitch (WSJ)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704300604575554273700857644.html
Social Security: No 2011 increase expected (COLA)
http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/05/news/economy/Social_Security_cost_of_living_adjustment/index.htm
No Social Security COLA Expected For 2011 News Expected To Be Bad For Democrats
http://www.kptv.com/politics/25344443/detail.html
They forgot to add this to the “Rest of the Story”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/22/chain-email/chain-e-mail-says-congress-raised-own-salaries-whi/
Harvard Pilgrim cancels Medicare Advantage plan
http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2010/09/28/harvard_pilgrim_
Seniors’ coverage options dwindle as Medicare Advantage programs close shop
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-advantage_22bus.ART.State.Edition1.3c912a9.html
Survey in New England Journal of Medicine 46% of US Doctors Will Quit Obamacare Passes http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2798380/shocking_survey_in_new_england_journal.html?cat=75
ObamaCare has just made me Sicker!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bamcare_has_just_made_me_icker_c1dBRZ6M3yuH27rAVnLsvN
In the notice, EmblemHealth told Gowland, who is healthy, “The proposed rate increase includes two components: a basic increase on your type plan and an increase due to the cost of enhanced benefits required by the new federal Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”
Mayo clinic stops taking Medicare patients
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=517004
Principal To Cut Jobs, End Med Insurance Business
http://www.kcci.com/money/25224059/detail.html
Obama: We knew health costs would go up
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/118079-obama-we-knew-health-costs-would-go-up
President Barack Obama insisted he can overhaul the U.S. healthcare system without raising taxes for anyone but the wealthiest Americans
The New Federal Wedding Tax: How Obamacare Would Dramatically Penalize Marriage
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/01/The-New-Federal-Wedding-Tax-How-Obamacare-Would-Dramatically-Penalize-Marriage
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1099: The Trojan Horse within Obamacare
http://palmettoinsider.com/2010/09/21/1099-the-trojan-horse-within-obamacare/
Repeal Obamacare: Small-Business Killer
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38496
Senate Expands IRS Form 1099 Reporting Requirement to Include All Rental Property Owner
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75911
Paperwork nightmare: New 1099 mandate must be repealed
http://billingsgazette.com/news/opinion/guest/article_61e61666-bbc1-11df-b2c3-001cc4c002e0.html
Health care law’s massive, hidden tax change( 1099’s)
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/smallbusiness/1099_health_care_tax_change/index.htm
Lost in Taxation, The IRS’s vast new ObamaCare powers.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704518904575365223062942574.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
ObamaCare’s Unseen Costs
http://reason.com/archives/2010/10/15/obamacares-unseen-costs/print
Bad Medicine: A Guide to the Real Costs and Consequences of the New Health Care Law
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11961
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And I am the one accused of making things up? ::) ::)
I just provided 20 or so links confirming everything I have claimed about Obamacare. So get back to me when you have something other than a 3rd grade level insult to hurl at me.
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So your agent lied to you and you fell for it. Is that the story you are now sticking with?
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Atlantis' health has deteriorated sharply since December, when it was operating with a $2.7 million deficit in its statutory reserves.
Have I missed something, ...or does this state Atlantis was ALREADY broke when Obamacare was passed?
The recapitalization, he added, “will allow Atlantis to emerge from its financial difficulties and move forward more successfully.”
And now they will be able to move forward more successfully...
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AND I AM OWNED?
YES
Now please post the .jpg of the letter from your insurance carrier.
Thanks
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Have I missed something, ...or does this state Atlantis was ALREADY broke when Obamacare was passed?
And now they will be able to move forward more successfully...
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Now please post the .jpg of the letter from your insurance carrier.
Thanks
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$%^^&&*&* - You motherfuckers supporting obama need to fucking kill yourselves. Honestly - don't respond to me - don't even talk to me anymore.
I just got notice two minutes AGO that on top of the 25% increase I just got this year on Health Care costs - the carrier we have in the office just gave notice of 30% INCREASE in our health care costs as a result of ObamaCare on top of the last one!
I am so livid you have no idea over this.
FFUCCCKK YYYOOOUUUU OBBBAAMMMAA! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
FFUCCKK YYOOUUUU ANYONEONE SUPPORTING THIS COMMUNIST FFFUCCCKK!!!
So 3333. What's up? Did you actually receive this letter or did you "embellish?"
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So 3333. What's up? Did you actually receive this letter or did you "embellish?"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Just another fake ass cryfest from him once again.
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This thread is pathological.
Seek help.
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Now please post the .jpg of the letter from your insurance carrier.
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You mean the .jpg wasn't somewhere in one of those gazillion links he posted up there? So all those links were irrelevant? Darn... he did it again huh?
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I take the "Liar" statement back...Ill give 333 the benefit of the doubt and say the agent lied to you or pushed her beliefs on you..But what isnt true is Atlantis Health Plan did not face its Financial problems as a result of Obamacare. I know this to be a fact. If you can post something to prove the contrary I will admit you are right...but about this one.. you are 100% wrong bro...
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Guys every single carrier in NYS is seeking rate increases based on obamaCare - read it for yourself.
http://www.ins.state.ny.us/health/prior_app/prior_app.htm
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Guys every single carrier in NYS is seeking rate increases based on obamaCare - read it for yourself.
http://www.ins.state.ny.us/health/prior_app/prior_app.htm
Were the rate hikes YOU said experienced with Atlantis a result of Obama care?
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Were the rate hikes YOU said experienced with Atlantis a result of Obama care?
Maybe not the whole 30% - but at least a portion of it.
Read the prior approval letters of the other carriers in the link i provided.
Almost all of them say that duet ot he expanded mandates of ObamaCare they have to raise rates even further. Its right there.
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Nope, there would be a percentage attributed to the affects of Obamacare on the rates SEPERATE from other factors. Thats what Financial Reports and Quarterly outlooks are for, to evaluate the effects of different factors on the companies bottom line Dont play dumb...
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Nope, there would be a percentage attributed to the affects of Obamacare on the rates SEPERATE from other factors. Thats what Financial Reports and Quarterly outlooks are for, to evaluate the effects of different factors on the companies bottom line Dont play dumb...
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Again - I provided the friggin link to every carrier in NYS and almost every single one is saying obamaCare is thwe cause for the premiuim increase and further mandates. Go read it yourself. Or did you think that all of this was going to be for free andf without cost to everyone else?
BY THE WAY - OBAMA PROMISED ME A 3000% PREMIUM REDUCTION - WHERE IS IT? TELL ME MAL - WHERE IS MY RATE DECREASE OBAMA PROMISED?
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Again - I provided the friggin link to every carrier in NYS and almost every single one is saying obamaCare is thwe cause for the premiuim increase and further mandates. Go read it yourself. Or did you think that all of this was going to be for free andf without cost to everyone else?
BY THE WAY - OBAMA PROMISED ME A 3000% PREMIUM REDUCTION - WHERE IS IT? TELL ME MAL - WHERE IS MY RATE DECREASE OBAMA PROMISED?
yeah but......
Im just asking about your increase..the one you came on bitchin about...
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My raise is admittedly higher than others, and i plan on looking for another carrier - however, ALL OF THE CARRIERS ARE RAISING THEIR RATES AND CLAIMING THAT OBAMACARE IS PARTY TO BLAME DUE TO INCREASED MANDATES!
Did you read the link I provided?
And lastly - did Obama lie in that clip or was this another gross miscalculation on his part about the effects of the programs he pushes?
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My raise is admittedly higher than others, and i plan on looking for another carrier - however, ALL OF THE CARRIERS ARE RAISING THEIR RATES AND CLAIMING THAT OBAMACARE IS PARTY TO BLAME DUE TO INCREASED MANDATES!
Did you read the link I provided?
And lastly - did Obama lie in that clip or was this another gross miscalculation on his part about the effects of the programs he pushes?
So you just came on here and spewed a load of shit..
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So you just came on here and spewed a load of shit..
No, I came to the conclusion that the rate increase I got is higher than most based on my reading all of the other letters from the carriers this morning. However, just because say 50% of the increase is attributred to Obamacare does not make it any less aggravating. I was promised a $2500 yearly reduction by Obama.
Again - read the letters from the other carriers - they all mirror each other.
The increases are directly attributed to expanded manadates due to obamacare. So of the 305 increase i am slated for, even if its 15% as a result of obamacare - its still shitty and maddening considering the I expressly promised the opposite would occur.
I posted the clip of the promise no?
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No, I came to the conclusion that the rate increase I got is higher than most based on my reading all of the other letters from the carriers this morning. However, just because say 50% of the increase is attributred to Obamacare does not make it any less aggravating. I was promised a $2500 yearly reduction by Obama.
Again - read the letters from the other carriers - they all mirror each other.
The increases are directly attributed to expanded manadates due to obamacare. So of the 305 increase i am slated for, even if its 15% as a result of obamacare - its still shitty and maddening considering the I expressly promised the opposite would occur.
I posted the clip of the promise no?
How do you know 50% was from HealthCare Reform...Where did you get the numbers and can you share the breakdown with US?
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How do you know 50% was from HealthCare Reform...Where did you get the numbers and can you share the breakdown with US?
Because i looked at all of the other carriers and they are averging about 15% increase due to obamacare mandates. Some more, some less.
again - I posted the link, go check it out.
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Mal YES OR NO - DID OBAMA LIE?
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Updated: Mon., Oct. 25, 2010, 4:41 AM
A Democrat-killer
By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON
www.nypost.com
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Above all else, the coming election is about ObamaCare.
Democrats wish it were about the economy. Polls show that voters still blame the downturn more on President George W. Bush than on President Obama or the Democratic Congress. Sure, the Democrats haven't turned the economy around, but things also haven't gotten markedly worse. How could they face historic losses over an economic situation that voters think they inherited more than they created?
It's this point -- sensible in a vacuum -- that presumably has led The New York Times to maintain across months -- and as late as last week -- that if House races simply kept leaning the way they were leaning, the Democrats would hold Congress. The Times' prognosticators couldn't fathom why anything else would so anger voters, so they assumed that the Democrats would survive.
That was a fantasy. The Democrats have lost independents. The latest Rasmussen generic congressional-ballot poll shows independents favoring Republicans over Democrats by (gulp) 17 percentage points. And Republicans are motivated, while Democrats aren't. According to American University researcher Curtis Gans, in this year's primaries, GOP turnout surpassed Democratic turnout for the first time since the Hoover administration -- and by a wide margin: 57 percent to 43 percent.
What could be generating such a historic enthusiasm gap between the parties while also causing so many independents to jump ship from the Democrats? Federal spending, federal debt, federal indifference to popular desires -- all of which is captured in one word: ObamaCare.
The evidence is clear. Look at House districts where you'd expect a Democrat to be vulnerable -- districts that, based on results in the last three presidential elections, lean Republican or lean Democratic by no more than 5 percentage points. In 48 such districts where polls are available, a Democrat is running for re-election.
Based on the Real Clear Politics averages for those polls, Democrats who voted against ObamaCare are now ahead in 10 of 15 races (leading by an average of 5.5 percentage points) while Democrats who voted for ObamaCare lead in just 9 of 33 races (losing by an average of 2.5 points).
So even though more than twice as many pro-ObamaCare Democrats are running in these districts, more anti-ObamaCare Democrats are winning.
And that's even though Democrats who opposed ObamaCare are running where it's much harder for a Democrat to win. Among these 48, the Dems who voted for ObamaCare are running in districts that are far friendlier, averaging only +4 Republican, while the average anti-ObamaCare Democrat faces a district that's +13 Republican.
None of this can be explained by the economy or by other controversial votes. Essentially, all of these Democrats (45 of 48) supported the economic "stimulus." And the 30 who voted for cap and trade are winning in 40 percent of their races, while the 18 who voted against it are winning in 44 percent of their races -- essentially no difference and a far cry from the split we see with ObamaCare.
The campaigns have figured this out. Politico reported last month that candidates were spending seven times as much on ads attacking ObamaCare as on ads defending it -- and even Democratic campaigns' ads were 3-to-1 against. By the first half of this month, the overall ratio had swung to 20 to 1.
Two unique polls further substantiate what's going on here. An Independent Women's Voice poll asked independents whether any issue would keep them from supporting candidates with whom they agree "on all other issues." Among the choices were "national security," "taxes," "immigration," "putting a mosque near Ground Zero" and "the stimulus and bailouts." The issue that voters most strongly demanded that candidates get right was "health-care reform." (The Ground Zero mosque was second.)
Moreover, a Democratic poll offered respondents the unusual chance to provide open-ended responses indicating why they disapprove of Obama's performance. Their freely chosen words were then tallied. "Economy" and "money" were among the key words frequently used, but the two most frequent -- used more than twice as often as any others -- were "health care."
Even when voters emphasize the economy, they generally do so in a way that very much involves ObamaCare. Voters aren't so much angry that their representatives haven't fixed the economy but that they haven't prioritized the economy -- that they passed a $787 billion "stimulus" that merely stimulated the National Debt Clock and then turned their attention to what they cared about most: passing a huge health-care entitlement that a clear majority of Americans opposed.
Now the voters will get to make their priorities known to the Democrats who thought they could get away with openly defying their constituents' wishes.
Jeffrey H. Anderson is a Pacific Research Institute senior fellow.
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Because i looked at all of the other carriers and they are averging about 15% increase due to obamacare mandates. Some more, some less.
again - I posted the link, go check it out.
What was the %age your carrier attributed to Obamacare?
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What was the %age your carrier attributed to Obamacare?
They didnt list a percentage. I am dropping them anyway and trying to get on a group plan via the bar association or some other group.
I have a client who can get me on their plan and issue me a W2 for the amount - the end result will still be a hell of a lot less than paying as a small business/solo - although everyones rates are skyrocketing.
My GF's office just got a 21% increase last week and were told the same thing I was.
Mal - you can poo poo what i am saying all you want - but ObamaCare is causing premiuims increases everywhere across the board and all but the most die hard obama supporters realize we have been lied to, robbed, and cheated.
This is why next week - the Obama agenda is effectively over.
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I tried attaching it but the site does not let me post PDF.
Here is a copy of something similar I just got today.
http://www.ins.state.ny.us/health/prior_app/notices_102010/10122010_Atlantis_Notice_all.pdf
Since we have 3 employees, and one gets her insurance through family - we are under HMO - Sole Proprietor
I am going to take a shit on the letter we got and send it to obama.
That's fucking crazy...
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That's fucking crazy...
Everyones' rates in business are skyrocketing. My clients are averaging 20 -25%.
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Mal - what do you make of this?
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So you just came on here and spewed a load of shit..
Well of course. Normal behavior for him. And then when cornered about his bullshit... his reply is :
Mal YES OR NO - DID OBAMA LIE?
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A liar like yourself shouldn't be throwing rock in that tiny little glass house.
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you're really cracking up again...the meds are not working any more I see.....
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Did you scan and post your leTTer yet?
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Its the same as the link I posted. BTW - did you read all the similar letters from the other carriers also seeking massive rate hikes? They all point to added mandates under obamacare causing these rate hikes. I have posted endless articles confirmiung this as well.
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Its the same as the link I posted. BTW - did you read all the similar letters from the other carriers also seeking massive rate hikes? They all point to added mandates under obamacare causing these rate hikes. I have posted endless articles confirmiung this as well.
I know, but you said you received a letter and youbwere going to post it.
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I know, but you said you received a letter and youbwere going to post it.
Its exactly the same as the one at the link - I personal info on it, but its nearly exat to the one I posted with the 32% increase since I considered in that group.
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Its exactly the same as the one at the link - I personal info on it, but its nearly exat to the one I posted with the 32% increase since I considered in that group.
So black the info out and post it.
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So black the info out and post it.
Ill try tommorow - I scanned it but did not convert it. Its the same exact one as at the link.
Either way - I am going to look for another carrier or seek coverage via through a trade org or something like that.
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Updated: Tue., Oct. 26, 2010, 12:49 AM
The creeping chill of ObamaCare
By MARK K. SIEGEL
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I Can feel ObamaCare closing in.
It starts with small things. Consider a patient I'll call Jane, a corporate executive in her mid 40s. She's happy with her current health coverage -- a high-deductible policy paired with a Flexible Spending Account that can cover up to $3,000 a year in routine expenses, which she uses to pay for much of her medical care.
Other than her yearly screening check-up, Jane doesn't come in to see me unless she's really sick. An occasional bout of bronchitis prompts a brief visit, where I prescribe her a short course of antibiotics. Otherwise she uses her FSA to buy Tylenol and Advil over-the-counter for an occasional headache, insect repellant for summers in her backyard and Prevacid for an infrequent case of heartburn.
But, starting Jan. 1, Jane won't be able to use her flex-spend account to cover OTC remedies without getting a prescription first. That's right: She'll need a prescription for non-prescription drugs -- a waste of her time, and mine. Otherwise, she has to pay a 20 percent penalty for using the account to buy exactly the sort of things it was designed to cover.
She's not alone: I have 20-plus patients facing this pointless restriction on their flex-spend or Health Savings accounts. Nationwide, more than 30 million workers with FSAs and 10 million others with HSAs are all in the same boat.
Do the congressmen who passed the health-reform law seriously expect me to somehow find the time to prescribe laxatives, antacids, creams for insect bites and hemorrhoids and so on for these patients? Or are they just looking to render that coverage worthless?
There's much worse to come. Also on Jan. 1, the cuts to Medicare Advantage start kicking in -- $140 billion in lost federal funding. I don't yet know how many of my patients will lose the dental, eye and comprehensive prescription-drug coverage that these policies provide.
The burdens keep piling up, bit by bit, over the next three years. I'm really worried about 2014: That's when the new Independent Medicare Advisory Board starts restricting the essential services I can provide the more than half my patients who have Medicare. Since the "reform" cut hundreds of billions from Medicare, something's going to have to give.
Then there's the issue Dr. Scott Gottlieb pointed out recently on these pages ("Killing Marcus Welby," Oct. 18): The reform law is also designed to push my patients -- and me -- into an HMO-style arrangement, even if they've renamed these behemoths "Accountable Care Organizations." We're not supposed to find a way around all the restrictions -- we're supposed to give up, and start following the orders of the president's preferred experts.
As more of the "reform" law takes hold, the daily practice of medicine will grow more and more difficult for both doctors and patients. Premiums are already rising and services are diminishing.
Several of my patients have found that their policies are changing and no longer cover their medications. Their referrals are restricted to narrow networks of specialists even as their co-pays and deductibles rise.
Others have lost their jobs but still have too much income to qualify for Medicaid and don't yet qualify for the high-risk pools. I see many of these patients for free, but they can't afford the tests I want to order.
It's hard for me to believe that President Obama has spent any time in a real doctor's office. He can claim that he hasn't succeeded in getting his message across, or that fear clouds our thinking -- but when it comes to health care, most Americans understand his message and just don't agree with it.
And, having written a book on fear, I can tell you that fear is an appropriate response to ObamaCare as it plays out in my examination room.
Marc Siegel is a practicing internist in New York and a Fox News medical contributor.
www.nypost.com
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Cough up more for health benefits
In Houston, employees' health insurance will increase 12 percent in 2011
By L.M. SIXEL
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Oct. 25, 2010, 11:27PM
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Raises may be small and bonuses a distant memory of better times, but one workplace number isn't frozen: Employees can expect a double-digit percentage increase next year in the cost of health insurance they get through the office.
This year's health care overhaul combined with other factors will push the average cost per Houston employee to $4,946 next year — 12 percent more than this year — according to Aon Hewitt, a human resource consulting firm that tracks medical costs. The figure includes insurance premiums and insurance-related expenses such as co-pays and deductibles.
The firm surveyed 350 large employers nationwide, including 99 with offices in Houston.
The projected cost for Houston is $560 more than the U.S. average for 2011, according to Aon Hewitt. More than $500 of that difference stems from higher co-pays and deductibles for Houstonians.
Area residents pay higher out-of-pocket costs than workers in other cities partly because there are fewer unions in Houston to bargain benefits, said DeLayne Etheridge, a principal at Aon Hewitt who specializes in health care. Union members tend to pay less in co-pays and deductibles because of collective bargaining.
Also pushing local costs upward is Houston's higher-than-average proportion of residents without health insurance. Those who are insured often subsidize, through higher premiums, the cost of emergency room and other medical treatment for those who aren't.
Also, Etheridge said, Houston's world-class teaching and medical facilities provide higher-quality care, which carries a higher price.
Etheridge estimates provisions of the new health care law that already have taken effect — requirements such as allowing dependent children to stay on a parent's policy until age 26 and dropping the lifetime maximum for essential benefits — accounts for 1 percent to 2 percent of the overall increase.
Mercer, another human resources consulting firm, puts the figure at 2.3 percent.
Employers to pay more
It's not just employees who are feeling the squeeze of higher health care expenses. Businesses also face rising health bills.
Companies in Houston are looking at a tab of $10,221 to cover each employee next year, up 8.7 percent from 2010, according to Aon Hewitt. That figure represents an average of all plan types and includes both employee-paid and employer-paid insurance premiums or expected expenses for companies that self-insure.
HISD's two-tier plan
The Houston Independent School District is facing a 6 percent increase in costs for 2011, said Brad Bailey, general manager of employee benefits. After five years of keeping the lid on premiums, rising health care costs have caught up with the district, which insures 18,300 employees and their 8,300 dependents, he said.
To get better control over the biggest expenses — hospitalization, complicated tests, specialty drugs and some forms of chemotherapy — HISD divided its basic insurance plan into two tiers. Employees who agree to use lower-cost providers will pay less than those who use specialty hospitals.
Under the Tier 1 plan, employees who get care through Memorial Hermann Healthcare System, St. Luke's Episcopal Health System or Texas Children's Hospital will be responsible for 20 percent of their bills after paying a $1,750 deductible for individuals and $3,500 for families.
Tier 2 includes Methodist Hospital and M.D. Anderson Cancer Center. Employees who use those facilities will pay 35 percent after meeting a $2,000 deductible for individuals and $4,000 for families.
And while premiums stayed steady, school district employees will have to pay more out-of-pocket, including a new emergency room fee and a new deductible for prescription drugs.
Teachers are livid, said Joanna Pasternak, staff representative of the Houston Federation of Teachers, which has 7,100 members who sat on the HISD benefits committee until recently. The union walked out when HISD stopped allowing the union to participate in negotiating health care benefits.
"They want to be able to go to M.D. Anderson," said Pasternak, who said she wouldn't be alive today if she hadn't received treatment there.
Mike Barbour, partner in the health and benefits practice at Mercer in Houston, said many companies are turning to an option in the new legislation that allows them to delay new coverage mandates if they don't make substantive changes in plan design or raise employee costs beyond a certain level.
More than half of 1,091 employers that responded to a recent Mercer survey said they plan to use this grandfather provision to defer new benefit requirements such as full coverage for preventive services, including vaccines, mammograms, colonoscopies and full blood work-ups, said Barbour.
While the health care law has driven up costs, the sluggish economy is a bigger issue for many companies, he said. They don't have much of a financial cushion.
Audits, surcharges
It's not a trend yet, but Barbour said some companies are moving toward charging for each covered person when pricing health care. An employee covering a family of five, for example, would pay more than one covering only a spouse.
Etheridge said more employers are auditing to determine if dependents are eligible for coverage. Aon Hewitt estimates that more than 10 percent aren't — because, for example, a child lacks a legal relationship to the employee, or the employee isn't really married to a person claimed as a spouse.
Some companies also are adding surcharges for employees' working spouses to encourage the spouses to enroll in their own employers' plans, Etheridge said.
And companies are focusing more on employee wellness programs, said Christopher Fisher, chief innovation officer for BenefitSpecialists in Houston, which designs health insurance plans for its small and midsize clients.
Investing in walking programs, gym memberships and medical screenings is a long-term strategy, however, and is a challenge in this tough economic climate, Fisher said. It typically doesn't pay off immediately, but if employees with high blood pressure and high cholesterol can be diagnosed and treated early, a company can prevent a $50,000 to $70,000 heart attack or stroke.
One client, a nonprofit with 50 employees, launched a comprehensive wellness effort after it was hit with several years of double-digit health insurance increases. The results are in: a 5.5 percent reduction in premiums next year, Fisher said.
lm.sixel@chron.com
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In other words, you lied and won't be posting shit. Except excuses. One should know when you scan something the default option is .jpg anyway.
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In other words, you lied and won't be posting shit. Except excuses. One should know when you scan something the default option is .jpg anyway.
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Its the same exact one as the one I posted the link to. I will try to convert it later, FAG.
BTW - have you read any of the articles I have posted on DeathCare confirming everything I have claimed? Of course not - because you - like the others - are thoughtless dolt embarassed how badly you were fooled and duped by the Messiah
Face it - a week from now = Obama Admn over.
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This thread was not about other articles. It was about you posting the letter YOU received. Which you have failed to do so.
You = LYING FAILURE
Once again, getting your teeth kicked in on your own thread.
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This thread was not about other articles. It was about you posting the letter YOU received. Which you have failed to do so.
You = LYING FAILURE
Once again, getting your teeth kicked in on your own thread.
Its already scanned - I just have to convert it from pdf to jpg.
BTW - I heard the gays may stay home because they are pissed off at Obama. Are you staying home too?
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333386,
So why don't you tell us already how you feel about Obama? ;D
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333386,
So why don't you tell us already how you feel about Obama? ;D
I have, and have backed up everything I have said. Like i said the letter I got from my carrier is the exact same one as the one I posted att he link and was sent to every policy holder.
I provided the link from every other carrier as well, all claiming obamacare is causing rate hikes. I have posted endless articles from doctors themselves as to how bad obamacare is, let alone policy papers and statements from the carriers themselves. But that is not enough to convince team KNEEPAD of the disaster they helped foist upon us.
I scanned the letter at work and it is exactly the same as the one at the link I provided.
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I have, and have backed up everything I have said. Like i said the letter I got from my carrier is the exact same one as the one I posted att he link and was sent to every policy holder.
I provided the link from every other carrier as well, all claiming obamacare is causing rate hikes. I have posted endless articles from doctors themselves as to how bad obamacare is, let alone policy papers and statements from the carriers themselves. But that is not enough to convince team KNEEPAD of the disaster they helped foist upon us.
I scanned the letter at work and it is exactly the same as the one at the link I provided.
lol....right
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lol....right
Ill tell you what - pm me with a email address and i will PM it to you via PDF. I just tried converting it and it did not work.
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This thread was not about other articles. It was about you posting the letter YOU received. Which you have failed to do so.
You = LYING FAILURE
Once again, getting your teeth kicked in on your own thread.
owned :D :D
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lol....right
Mal - send me a pm with a email and I will send it as attachment - i tried converting it but cant.
As for blacken - ::) ::) - what is your plagiarizing ass going to say when I post the same letter as is on the NYSID website?
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Its already scanned - I just have to convert it from pdf to jpg.
BTW - I heard the gays may stay home because they are pissed off at Obama. Are you staying home too?
No I am in San Fran right now. Already early voted. So is that the reason you are staying home? Your gay obsession is starting to really come out to play. Bad enough everyone wonders about you being mid 40s and never married and no girl in your life. Now you pollute the board with your self loathing projections.
I am sure your voter card says Log Cabin Republican.
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lol....right
Exactly. He went from receiving a letter himself to some generic bullshit links.
Still no explanation how he can scan something and not understand how .jpg is the default option on 99% of all imaging hardware and software out there.
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Exactly. He went from receiving a letter himself to some generic bullshit links.
Still no explanation how he can scan something and not understand how .jpg is the default option on 99% of all imaging hardware and software out there.
Send me a pm and i will send it via pdf as an attachment and you can then STFU for another month FAG BOY.
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what is your plagiarizing ass going to say when I post the same letter as is on the NYSID website?
Considering it is going on Day 5 and you haven't done it yet, I suspect he won't have to be saying anything.
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Send me a pm and i will send it via pdf as an attachment and you can then STFU for another month FAG BOY.
Why do I need to send you a PM? You can't send one to me yourself cry baby? Oh let me guess.... you don't know how to properly work the PM system either?
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Considering it is going on Day 5 and you haven't done it yet, I suspect he won't have to be saying anything.
Again - send me a pm with your email and i will send it as a PDF attachment.
Otherwise - how did it feel voting for Boxer?
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Why do I need to send you a PM? You can't send one to me yourself cry baby? Oh let me guess.... you don't know how to properly work the PM system either?
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Uh - the pm system does not attach pdf's correct?
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Again - send me a pm with your email and i will send it as a PDF attachment.
Otherwise - how did it feel voting for Boxer?
what a dumb girl..Pardon my french. :o
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Uh - the pm system does not attach pdf's correct?
If that is the case, then explain this previous post?
Send me a pm and i will send it via pdf as an attachment and you can then STFU for another month FAG BOY.
So which is it? Fuck man, you only got to do a CTRL+Print Screen for a screen capture and it is already .jpg if your stupid ass can't understand how to work your 1986 Atari scanner.
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In other words, you lied and won't be posting shit. Except excuses. One should know when you scan something the default option is .jpg anyway.
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333...outed again ;D
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333...outed again ;D
Ok - lets take a bet - i post the letter I got - which i said is the same at the link - and lurker and Andre delte their accounts for good if you think I am lying?
DEAL? YES OR NO?
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your going to lie and just post the same letter you already did and say its the one you got in the mail ::)
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your going to lie and just post the same letter you already did and say its the one you got in the mail ::)
Can I add you to the list. I have the letter saved as a pdf and still can't concvert it. How about i email it to Hugo and you guys delete your accounts if it is true and I post it?
DEAL OR NOT?
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your going to lie and just post the same letter you already did and say its the one you got in the mail ::)
Exactly. That is probably why he hasn't done it yet. He hasn't figured out how to copy the letter and make one or two changes to it so it looks like it is "his" letter.
Why the fuck you want someone to delete their account? You can't handle having someone on here busting you in lies and cryfests everyday?
LOSER.
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Exactly. That is probably why he hasn't done it yet. He hasn't figured out how to copy the letter and make one or two changes to it so it looks like it is "his" letter.
Why the fuck you want someone to delete their account? You can't handle having someone on here busting you in lies and cryfests everyday?
LOSER.
Eat shit and die fools. Like i said its the same letter as the one on the website.
So will you agree to delete your accounts now?
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333...outed again ;D
Will you delete your account now asswipe?
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your going to lie and just post the same letter you already did and say its the one you got in the mail ::)
DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT NOW BITCH.
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Now that i have posted the letter - will all you left wing twinks delete your accounts?
Bitches.
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Now that i have posted the letter - will all you left wing twinks delete your accounts?
Bitches.
No one agreed to this. If deleting accounts is required of anyone, it should be you. For no other reason than whining and lying nonstop.
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No one agreed to this. If deleting accounts is required of anyone, it should be you. For no other reason than whining and lying nonstop.
blah blah blah. Owned again fool.
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blah blah blah. Owned again fool.
Not really. The fact you want someone to delete their account is a worse owning for you than anything else. You can't take someone busting your ass everyday can you?
Are all Crytalians this insecure?
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Not really. The fact you want someone to delete their account is a worse owning for you than anything else. You can't take someone busting your ass everyday can you?
Are all Crytalians this insecure?
How did i get busted in this thread? I posted the letter and provided links and evidence that all carriers in NY are seeking increases due to mandates in Obamacare.
But I guess in twinkville where you and the other obamabots reside you still believe his lies on this mess.
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BUMP - now that I posted the letter - what say you dolts now?
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BUMP - now that I posted the letter - what say you dolts now?
First off...i said what is the god damn percentage that you attribute to obama care...you came on talkin about 30% percent increase from obama care...blah blah...come to find out the hikes come from fucked up books from 2008 so dont come on here acting like you proved something because i read the transcripts from the meeting that outlined why you got your increase and never from the Reps of that company did they pass the buck off to obamacare which would have been easy...they said the increases were from 2008....
Sorry to go hard on you but you ask for it
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Eat shit and die fools. Like i said its the same letter as the one on the website.
So will you agree to delete your accounts now?
Like i said...that aint prove where the hikes came from... now would you like me to cut and paste the transcripts from the meeting explaining the hikes and what they are a result of?
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First off...i said what is the god damn percentage that you attribute to obama care...you came on talkin about 30% percent increase from obama care...blah blah...come to find out the hikes come from fucked up books from 2008 so dont come on here acting like you proved something because i read the transcripts from the meeting that outlined why you got your increase and never from the Reps of that company did they pass the buck off to obamacare which would have been easy...they said the increases were from 2008....
Sorry to go hard on you but you ask for it
3338bitch Busted Once Again!
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Mutha Fuckin BUMP!!!!
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3338bitch Busted Once Again!
Read the fucking link I provided from the all the carriers in the state. I guess Mal knows more than every carrier now in the state? ::) ::)
Its right on the NYSIF website.
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Read the fucking link I provided from the all the carriers in the state. I guess Mal knows more than every carrier now in the state? ::) ::)
Its right on the NYSIF website.
im talkin about the fuckin reason you started this thread...saying obama care raised the rates for Atlantis and when i do a bit of digging its not the case...im not talking about all the carriers in Ny...im talkin about the one you came on getbig talking about....
What say you
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Now say another lie because i can prove youre lying now...so you can save face or you can be blasted
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im talkin about the fuckin reason you started this thread...saying obama care raised the rates for Atlantis and when i do a bit of digging its not the case...im not talking about all the carriers in Ny...im talkin about the one you came on getbig talking about....
What say you
I'm saying that like EVERY MOTHERFUCKING CARRIER across the nation who is also raising rates due to ObamaCare, mine is doing that as well. and because I am in the pool who is getting the highest rate increases, like everyone else in similiar circumstances, my rate increase is attributal to ObamaCare, although the percentage remains unknownm, whether its 15% or 30%.
again - read the rate increase requests from all the other carriers on the NYSIF website - report back their justification to everyone. You won't do that why? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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I just got notice two minutes Which be the 22nd right
Well here is the letter
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Dude ima bust ya ass on this thread so stop while youre ahead
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office just gave notice of 30% INCREASE in our health care costs as a result of ObamaCare
Really...did it say that...
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Really...did it say that...
They are going for a 30-32% rate increase which the states almost always grant. Even your boy Blumenthal in CT approved of a MASSIVE increase of premiuims as a result of ObamaCare. I guess you missed that one too.
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They are going for a 30-32% rate increase which the states almost always grant. Even your boy Blumenthal in CT approved of a MASSIVE increase of premiuims as a result of ObamaCare. I guess you missed that one too.
Comment on date of letter...it says the 8th..and you said you got it a few moments ago on the 22nd
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Premium hikes direct result of health care legislation insurers say
September 8, 2010 at 10:43 am by Steve M 16 Comments | Share via e-mail
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As a companion piece to my health care trade-offs post more than two weeks ago, The Wall Street Journal has another article today discussing the premium increases that are starting to hit businesses now that the legislation is law, and open enrollment season is around the corner.
Hat tip to Ed Morrissey at Hot Air, who points us to the WSJ piece written by Janet Adamy. I wrote about this subject on Aug. 20.
Many carriers also are seeking additional rate increases that they say they need to cover rising medical costs. As a result, some consumers could face total premium increases of more than 20%. …
In addition to pledging that the law would restrain increases in Americans’ insurance premiums, Democrats front-loaded the legislation with early provisions they hoped would boost public support. Those include letting children stay on their parents’ insurance policies until age 26, eliminating co-payments for preventive care and barring insurers from denying policies to children with pre-existing conditions, plus the elimination of the coverage caps.
Weeks before the election, insurance companies began telling state regulators it is those very provisions that are forcing them to increase their rates.
By front-loading popular stuff like covering 26-year old kids on a family policy, health insurance companies were provided cover by Congress and the White House to increase health care premiums for everyone. After all, to provide these extended benefits, who the heck did you think was going to pay for them?
Then of course, you have the general rise in health care costs due to the explosive growth of medical procedures like joint replacements and the use of drugs for the treatment of heart disease and diabetes. Add it all together and you’ve got a 20 percent increase in premiums.
How’s the change working out for you?
Think this will work out in the end for Democrats? The timing can not be worse for them since most of the health insurance policies are effective Jan. 1, with open enrollment season for employees starting about 30 days prior to election day.
Take a look at what your premiums are today, then let me know what you think when you get your companies benefit packages and pricing. Be very careful during your analysis, if your premiums go up a small amount, triple check to see what you’re loosing in benefits.
But don’t worry, you’re 25 year old kid will be covered.
Update: Michelle Malkin suggests Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) might stir up the election-season pot by dragging those health insurance company CEOs to Washington to explain the premium increases. As I note above the answer is pretty simple, Waxman and his crew implemented mandates that someone needs to pay for. They might just try this approach, because we know their final end-game is single payer health care… demonize the health insurance companies!
http://radioviceonline.com/premium-hikes-direct-result-of-health-care-legislation-insurers-say/
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Mal - why do you ignore what is going on accross the nation to businesses as a result of obamacare?
BTW - where is my premiuim DECREASE I was promised?
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Comment on date of letter...it says the 8th..and you said you got it a few moments ago on the 22nd
Yes.
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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So mail takes 14 days within state?
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By front-loading popular stuff like covering 26-year old kids on a family policy, health insurance companies were provided cover by Congress and the White House to increase health care premiums for everyone. After all, to provide these extended benefits, who the heck did you think was going to pay for them?
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Mal - did you think all this stuff was going to be for free?
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By front-loading popular stuff like covering 26-year old kids on a family policy, health insurance companies were provided cover by Congress and the White House to increase health care premiums for everyone. After all, to provide these extended benefits, who the heck did you think was going to pay for them?
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Mal - did you think all this stuff was going to be for free?
Oh no...but im not the one you want to talk to about healthcare with me because under the malcolm pigford plan i would have done it different..and Everyone would have healthcare
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Dude - if you want to debate the topic - fine - otherwise, just go away.
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Oh no...but im not the one you want to talk to about healthcare with me because under the malcolm pigford plan i would have done it different..and Everyone would have healthcare
That is fine - but instead businesses nationwide, including mine - are getting premiuim hikes we were promised would not happen. whether its 15% on the low end - 50% on the high end like in CT, the public was lied to and now this is already hurting the economy.
So, I may have been wrong in attributing the entire increase to ObamaCare, and I even acknowledged that early on, but definately a portion of the increasde is attributable to it since carriers nationwide are hiking rates due to the new mandates under ObamaCare. that is no opinion, its fact.
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That is fine - but instead businesses nationwide, including mine - are getting premiuim hikes we were promised would not happen. whether its 15% on the low end - 50% on the high end like in CT, the public was lied to and now this is already hurting the economy.
So, I may have been wrong in attributing the entire increase to ObamaCare, and I even acknowledged that early on, but definately a portion of the increasde is attributable to it since carriers nationwide are hiking rates due to the new mandates under ObamaCare. that is no opinion, its fact.
lol... ;D
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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OMG Blacken... between these two clips, you've got me laughing so hard my eyes are watering.
Where do you find these gem? Thanks. I need a good laugh.
One set of elections down, ...another set to go. I can hardly wait!
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Dude - if you want to debate the topic - fine - otherwise, just go away.
You should follow your own advice. Mal has shit all over you for six pages now and all you do is run in circles and deflect everything he is busting you in.
You can't debate the topic because he has already exposed you as a crying liar. So instead you try to deflect the topic to what you want to talk about instead.
You = OWNED
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im talkin about the fuckin reason you started this thread...saying obama care raised the rates for Atlantis and when i do a bit of digging its not the case...im not talking about all the carriers in Ny...im talkin about the one you came on getbig talking about....
What say you
He will say.....
Deny.....
Deflect........
Denounce..........
Make excuses...........
take your pick.
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Source: San Francisco Chronicle
Some health insurers are bumping up rates yet again to reflect changes mandated by the new federal health overhaul law as well as state reforms that will go into effect Jan. 1.
For consumers, many of whom already have been hit this year with hefty premium increases to accommodate higher medical costs, the additional raise attributed to health reform will further strain their budgets.
Scott Morgan, a Blue Shield customer in San Francisco, saw his premium rise by 29 percent in June, so he was stunned to get another rate increase, this time for 34 percent. That means the same coverage he was paying $335 a month for at the end of May will cost him $581 a month come January.
"The federal reform is going to add 3.4 percent. That's fair. But do I believe that means my rates should go up another 30 percent above that?" said Morgan, 52, a self-employed consultant for corporate meetings. "I think what they're doing is they're getting their licks in while they can."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/1...
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Just got my increase in health insurance premium - Lord
My premium went from $476 to $618 a month. I am 62. I am not overweight. I don't drink, smoke or do drugs. I have no pre-existing conditions. I take no prescription drugs.
I am just about to become a radical like I was in college. I just wish I knew where to go to protest. I wrote to MacCaskill but just got a rote message back.
Everyone is aware of the problem. They are trying to work on it. Blah, blah, blah. And in the meantime? Does anyone even give a damn about the millions of older Americans that have simply been hung out to dry? Or simply left to die without health coverage or care?
I have tried to get cheaper coverage but I just get denied because of my age.
And this morning the paper had a big article on how the CEO's of these insurance companies are all making huge amounts.
Where the hell is there a democratic politician that has the balls to give a voice to all the older Americans that need help? There has to be someone.
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Yeah - where are he $2500 premiuim decreases we were all promised you fools who supported this bogus shit?
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Are we getting it all out today?
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Are we getting it all out today?
Why ?
You think this is a joke or something?
ObamaCare is one of the worst things passed in generations. its a complete disaster.
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Why ?
You think this is a joke or something?
ObamaCare is one of the worst things passed in generations. its a complete disaster.
worse than medicare and soc security?
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worse than medicare and soc security?
Yes! Its far far far worse.
If you would actually pay attentions to details for once on this mess, you would realize that by now.
Did you see my thread about the deal they cut with thedrug makers to screw the childrenss hospitals?
Of course not - I'm sure you were trolling for palin threads.
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Meltdown...and youre lying too
agreed
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After getting busted and called out on something, replying as usual with "did you see my thread on.." is not an acceptable defense. Nor a winning one. But yet you keep trying it thread after thread.
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latimes.com/health/healthcare/la-fi-insure-rates-20110106,0,6975599.story
latimes.com
Blue Shield of California seeks rate hikes of as much as 59% for individuals
Insurer says the increases result from fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws. The move comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39%.
By Duke Helfand, Los Angeles Times
7:14 PM PST, January 5, 2011
Advertisement
Another big California health insurer has stunned individual policyholders with huge rate increases — this time it's Blue Shield of California seeking cumulative hikes of as much as 59% for tens of thousands of customers March 1.
Blue Shield's action comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39% for about 700,000 California customers.
San Francisco-based Blue Shield said the increases were the result of fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws.
"We raise rates only when absolutely necessary to pay the accelerating cost of medical care for our members," the nonprofit insurer told customers last month.
In all, Blue Shield said, 193,000 policyholders would see increases averaging 30% to 35%, the result of three separate rate hikes since October.[/color]Nearly 1 in 4 of the affected customers will see cumulative increases of more than 50% over five months.
While most policyholders received separate notices for the successive rate hikes, others were given the news all at once because they had contracts guaranteeing their rate for a year, Blue Shield spokesman Tom Epstein said.
Michael Fraser, a Blue Shield policyholder from San Diego, learned recently that his monthly bill would climb 59%, to $431 from $271.
"When I tell people, their jaws drop and their eyes bug out," said Fraser, 53, a freelance advertising writer. "The amount is stunning."
Like many people who hold individual policies, Fraser is self-employed. Others who carry such insurance include people who aren't covered by employer plans or who have been laid off.
The Blue Shield increases triggered complaints to new Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones, and they could prove to be an early test of how the former Democratic state assemblyman deals with rate hikes and the insurance industry.
Anthem's attempt to raise rates by up to 39% led to national outrage and helped President Obama marshal support for his healthcare overhaul. The insurer was ultimately forced to back down, accepting maximum rate hikes of 20%.
Jones said the Blue Shield move underscored the need for the Legislature to give the insurance commissioner legal authority to regulate insurance rates the same way he does automobile coverage.
At present, the commissioner can block increases only if insurers spend less than 70% of premium income on claims. Jones' office said Blue Shield's March 1 increase was under review.
"Blue Shield's increases pose the same problem posed by Anthem Blue Cross last year and other health insurers as well," Jones said in an interview. "My hope would be that Blue Shield would reexamine these rate hikes, particularly in the face of the impact they are having on individual policyholders."
Blue Shield said the cost of health coverage was being driven up by large hospital expenses, doctors' bills and prescription drug prices. Blue Shield's Epstein said other factors also contributed to the three increases in five months.
On Oct. 1, he said, Blue Shield imposed increases averaging 18% and as high as 29%. Those hikes had been delayed for three months while state regulators examined Blue Shield's filing, costing the company tens of millions of dollars.
Epstein said Blue Shield raised rates again Jan. 1 to pay for changes under the national healthcare overhaul and a new state law that bars insurers from charging women more than men. (Some policyholders will pay less under the state gender law, while others will pay more.)
A third round of hikes scheduled for March 1 comes in response to rising healthcare costs, Epstein said. Those increases will average 6.5% and be as high as 18%.
Some policyholders have seen their bills rise gradually over the last five months, while others will see the charges lumped together March 1.
"It's unfortunate that they all came in a five-month period," Epstein said. "Rates are going to continue to rise unless the cost of medical care is brought under control. We need to reduce what we pay to hospitals, medical groups and pharmaceutical companies."
Despite the large increases, Epstein said Blue Shield would again lose "tens of millions of dollars" on its individual business in 2011.
Not included in the rate increases are 78,000 Blue Shield individual policyholders whose insurance is regulated by a second state agency, the Department of Managed Health Care. Those customers have seen two rate increases since October that together average 37%, Epstein said.
While Blue Shield's cumulative rate increases are high, Anthem Blue Cross' increases last year affected more people.
Anthem said Wednesday that it too expected to raise rates — an average of 9.8% for individual policyholders, effective April 1. That would come on top of increases in October averaging 14% that had been delayed for six months amid heightened scrutiny by state regulators.
Anthem is taking a cautious approach to its rate hikes given the controversy generated by last year's plan for 39% hikes.
Spokeswoman Kristin Binns said the company priced its 2011 rates competitively, saying: "We understand that these are difficult economic times, and we are committed to working to moderate the impact of rate increases on our members."
duke.helfand@latimes.com
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times
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latimes.com/health/healthcare/la-fi-insure-rates-20110106,0,6975599.story
latimes.com
Blue Shield of California seeks rate hikes of as much as 59% for individuals
Insurer says the increases result from fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws. The move comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39%.
By Duke Helfand, Los Angeles Times
7:14 PM PST, January 5, 2011
Advertisement
Another big California health insurer has stunned individual policyholders with huge rate increases — this time it's Blue Shield of California seeking cumulative hikes of as much as 59% for tens of thousands of customers March 1.
Blue Shield's action comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39% for about 700,000 California customers.
San Francisco-based Blue Shield said the increases were the result of fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws.
"We raise rates only when absolutely necessary to pay the accelerating cost of medical care for our members," the nonprofit insurer told customers last month.
In all, Blue Shield said, 193,000 policyholders would see increases averaging 30% to 35%, the result of three separate rate hikes since October.[/color]Nearly 1 in 4 of the affected customers will see cumulative increases of more than 50% over five months.
While most policyholders received separate notices for the successive rate hikes, others were given the news all at once because they had contracts guaranteeing their rate for a year, Blue Shield spokesman Tom Epstein said.
Michael Fraser, a Blue Shield policyholder from San Diego, learned recently that his monthly bill would climb 59%, to $431 from $271.
"When I tell people, their jaws drop and their eyes bug out," said Fraser, 53, a freelance advertising writer. "The amount is stunning."
Like many people who hold individual policies, Fraser is self-employed. Others who carry such insurance include people who aren't covered by employer plans or who have been laid off.
The Blue Shield increases triggered complaints to new Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones, and they could prove to be an early test of how the former Democratic state assemblyman deals with rate hikes and the insurance industry.
Anthem's attempt to raise rates by up to 39% led to national outrage and helped President Obama marshal support for his healthcare overhaul. The insurer was ultimately forced to back down, accepting maximum rate hikes of 20%.
Jones said the Blue Shield move underscored the need for the Legislature to give the insurance commissioner legal authority to regulate insurance rates the same way he does automobile coverage.
At present, the commissioner can block increases only if insurers spend less than 70% of premium income on claims. Jones' office said Blue Shield's March 1 increase was under review.
"Blue Shield's increases pose the same problem posed by Anthem Blue Cross last year and other health insurers as well," Jones said in an interview. "My hope would be that Blue Shield would reexamine these rate hikes, particularly in the face of the impact they are having on individual policyholders."
Blue Shield said the cost of health coverage was being driven up by large hospital expenses, doctors' bills and prescription drug prices. Blue Shield's Epstein said other factors also contributed to the three increases in five months.
On Oct. 1, he said, Blue Shield imposed increases averaging 18% and as high as 29%. Those hikes had been delayed for three months while state regulators examined Blue Shield's filing, costing the company tens of millions of dollars.
Epstein said Blue Shield raised rates again Jan. 1 to pay for changes under the national healthcare overhaul and a new state law that bars insurers from charging women more than men. (Some policyholders will pay less under the state gender law, while others will pay more.)
A third round of hikes scheduled for March 1 comes in response to rising healthcare costs, Epstein said. Those increases will average 6.5% and be as high as 18%.
Some policyholders have seen their bills rise gradually over the last five months, while others will see the charges lumped together March 1.
"It's unfortunate that they all came in a five-month period," Epstein said. "Rates are going to continue to rise unless the cost of medical care is brought under control. We need to reduce what we pay to hospitals, medical groups and pharmaceutical companies."
Despite the large increases, Epstein said Blue Shield would again lose "tens of millions of dollars" on its individual business in 2011.
Not included in the rate increases are 78,000 Blue Shield individual policyholders whose insurance is regulated by a second state agency, the Department of Managed Health Care. Those customers have seen two rate increases since October that together average 37%, Epstein said.
While Blue Shield's cumulative rate increases are high, Anthem Blue Cross' increases last year affected more people.
Anthem said Wednesday that it too expected to raise rates — an average of 9.8% for individual policyholders, effective April 1. That would come on top of increases in October averaging 14% that had been delayed for six months amid heightened scrutiny by state regulators.
Anthem is taking a cautious approach to its rate hikes given the controversy generated by last year's plan for 39% hikes.
Spokeswoman Kristin Binns said the company priced its 2011 rates competitively, saying: "We understand that these are difficult economic times, and we are committed to working to moderate the impact of rate increases on our members."
duke.helfand@latimes.com
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times
:P
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i already bumped it in the other thread...
Now.. again... Ill let it go if you tell the truth
The letter you got (when you started this dumb ass thread) from Atlantis about your insurance, did it say " its because of ObamaCare"
Yes or no
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$%^^&&*&* - You motherfuckers supporting obama need to fucking kill yourselves. Honestly - don't respond to me - don't even talk to me anymore.
I just got notice two minutes AGO that on top of the 25% increase I just got this year on Health Care costs - the carrier we have in the office just gave notice of 30% INCREASE in our health care costs as a result of ObamaCare on top of the last one!
I am so livid you have no idea over this.
FFUCCCKK YYYOOOUUUU OBBBAAMMMAA! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
FFUCCKK YYOOUUUU ANYONEONE SUPPORTING THIS COMMUNIST FFFUCCCKK!!!
Show me in the letter where is said that?
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lol oldie but goodie
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lol oldie but goodie
Yeah and lookie here you stupid fuck
Another 15% increase due to obamacare
http://nypost.com/2014/07/03/insurers-seeking-double-digit-increase-in-obamacare-premiums-in-ny
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Yeah and lookie here you stupid fuck
Another 15% increase due to obamacare
http://nypost.com/2014/07/03/insurers-seeking-double-digit-increase-in-obamacare-premiums-in-ny
lol....ok...
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lol oldie but goodie
HAHAHA pure ownage here.
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HAHAHA pure ownage here.
Yeah ok fagget - look at what I posted just now Mr. Low-T
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Here we go with the gay talk and homo projections already this morning.
Maybe you can sign up for Obamacare and claim your queerness is a preexisting condition and get treatment for it.
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Here we go with the gay talk and homo projections already this morning.
Maybe you can sign up for Obamacare and claim your queerness is a preexisting condition and get treatment for it.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/03/insurers-seeking-double-digit-increase-in-obamacare-premiums-in-ny
Glad you and malware find double digit rate increases on NY'ers funny under KenyaCare >:(
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Forced medication or death panel? Which one will Obamacare recommend for mentally ill midgets like yourself?
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HAHAHA pure ownage here.
hahahah that shit was funny as fuck...my man was scrambling all over for like 4 days trying to mop this shit up.
It was onw of my more epic ownings of 3333...He was all fucked up
"watch the video, watch the video!!!!"
AHHHHH shut the fuck up with all that bull shit
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hahahah that shit was funny as fuck...my man was scrambling all over for like 4 days trying to mop this shit up.
It was onw of my more epic ownings of 3333...He was all fucked up
"watch the video, watch the video!!!!"
AHHHHH shut the fuck up with all that bull shit
and in the end - as of today as what I posted - who was correct? Not you and the other 2x Obama voting fag - but myself.
So f off Obama slave. He destroyed your profession and you still shill for him why? We all know why. FNG sad
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hahahah that shit was funny as fuck...my man was scrambling all over for like 4 days trying to mop this shit up.
It was onw of my more epic ownings of 3333...He was all fucked up
"watch the video, watch the video!!!!"
AHHHHH shut the fuck up with all that bull shit
HAHAHA look at the way he kept stuttering in this entire thread. A stuttering closet case in the ghetto. Nothing could be more sad.
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HAHAHA look at the way he kept stuttering in this entire thread. A stuttering closet case in the ghetto. Nothing could be more sad.
Hey fagget - who was right you or me?
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Watch the video...watch the video....watch the VVVIIIDDDEEEOOO
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Watch the video...watch the video....watch the VVVIIIDDDEEEOOO
Hey fagget - answer the question.
I posted a link today proving the point of this thread.
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You were already exposed. Hahahaha look at you continue to melt
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You were already exposed. Hahahaha look at you continue to melt
Exposed for being 100% correct. Oghettocare cancelled my plan, and is driving up the premiums in the new plans.
The only one exposed for being a complete fuck up is you for voting for the slug 2x over ho ruined your profession.
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Exposed for being 100% correct. Oghettocare cancelled my plan, and is driving up the premiums in the new plans.
The only one exposed for being a complete fuck up is you for voting for the slug 2x over ho ruined your profession.
hahahaha dance puppet dance
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Exposed for being 100% correct. Oghettocare cancelled my plan, and is driving up the premiums in the new plans.
The only one exposed for being a complete fuck up is you for voting for the slug 2x over ho ruined your profession.
HAHAHA meltdown.
I am leaning more towards FEMA camp resident by Obamacare.
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HAHAHA meltdown.
I am leaning more towards FEMA camp resident by Obamacare.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/obamacare-hits-new-york-family-with-22-percent-premium-increase
Hey sickly little creeper - try to explain this one.
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HAHAHA meltdown.
I am leaning more towards FEMA camp resident by Obamacare.
HHAHAHAA Epic 13 day delay before pathetically bumping this midget carnage again.
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HHAHAHAA Epic 13 day delay before pathetically bumping this midget carnage again.
hahahaahahahaha..
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And not one refutation whatsoever of the fact that Obamacare has cancelled plans in NY, jacked the cost of new ones etc.
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Lurker you are hilarious for this
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HHAHAHAA Epic 13 day delay before pathetically bumping this midget carnage again.
SoulFag doesnt have a life simple as that.
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The only one being laughed at are the Obama dildos like option FAIL, creeper, etc. who voted for this disaster
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Lurker you are hilarious for this
He's so pathetic I can't even feel sorry for him. The self loathing and inner hatred he has for himself must be immeasurable for him to just get his ass kicked nonstop on here day after day.
Forced medication or a death panel. Obamacare will regulate one or the other on him for sure.
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SoulFag doesnt have a life simple as that.
AND he refuses to take his meds.
sad fellow
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$%^^&&*&* - You motherfuckers supporting obama need to fucking kill yourselves. Honestly - don't respond to me - don't even talk to me anymore.
I just got notice two minutes AGO that on top of the 25% increase I just got this year on Health Care costs - the carrier we have in the office just gave notice of 30% INCREASE in our health care costs as a result of ObamaCare on top of the last one!
I am so livid you have no idea over this.
FFUCCCKK YYYOOOUUUU OBBBAAMMMAA! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
FFUCCKK YYOOUUUU ANYONEONE SUPPORTING THIS COMMUNIST FFFUCCCKK!!!
Soul Crusher, why don't you tell us how you feel? ;D
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Soul Crusher, why don't you tell us how you feel? ;D
but that was a lie... that letter was false... this thread was fun as shit
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but that was a lie... that letter was false... this thread was fun as shit
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-misses-its-target-uninsured-half_796636.html
;)
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but that was a lie... that letter was false... this thread was fun as shit
He posted a false letter?
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AND he refuses to take his meds.
sad fellow
If he took his meds he would wake up and see his life has no purpose.
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/15/number-of-california-doctors-accepting-medicaid-plummets-after-obamacare
;)
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LOl - obamacare has been the biggest disaster of this assholes' disastrous presidency and you idiots who voted for this drug addicted skell are still in denial
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Hey Lurker check this out
Abstract A new Commonwealth Fund survey finds that in the wake of the
Affordable Care Act’s first open enrollment period, significantly fewer working-age
adults are uninsured than just before the sign-up period began, and many have used
their new coverage to obtain needed care. The uninsured rate for people ages 19 to
64 declined from 20 percent in the July-to-September 2013 period to 15 percent
in the April-to-June 2014 period. An estimated 9.5 million fewer adults were uninsured.
Young men and women drove a large part of the decline: the uninsured rate
for 19-to-34-year-olds declined from 28 percent to 18 percent, with an estimated
5.7 million fewer young adults uninsured. By June, 60 percent of adults with new
coverage through the marketplaces or Medicaid reported they had visited a doctor
or hospital or filled a prescription; of these, 62 percent said they could not have
accessed or afforded this care previously
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http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/15450/74-of-republicans-are-satisfied-with-their-obamacare-health-plans
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LOL - grasping at straw mans at best.
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but that was a lie... that letter was false... this thread was fun as shit
He posted a false letter?
Yes. He claimed Obama sent him a letter and when challenged, he went for WEEKS saying he would scan it in but didn't know how to work a scanner. WEEKS went by and finally he posted one that #1 had a date on it that showed there was no way he could have received it when he claimed he did. #2 and it was the exact same letter he had posted (with a link to) in about half a dozen threads prior. He simply waited for those threads to fall off page 1 of the board and then tried to pass it off as his. Like everyone else here has the ADHD mentally impaired attention span he has.
Dude got his ass kicked all over with that lie.
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Hey Lurker check this out
Abstract A new Commonwealth Fund survey finds that in the wake of the
Affordable Care Act’s first open enrollment period, significantly fewer working-age
adults are uninsured than just before the sign-up period began, and many have used
their new coverage to obtain needed care. The uninsured rate for people ages 19 to
64 declined from 20 percent in the July-to-September 2013 period to 15 percent
in the April-to-June 2014 period. An estimated 9.5 million fewer adults were uninsured.
Young men and women drove a large part of the decline: the uninsured rate
for 19-to-34-year-olds declined from 28 percent to 18 percent, with an estimated
5.7 million fewer young adults uninsured. By June, 60 percent of adults with new
coverage through the marketplaces or Medicaid reported they had visited a doctor
or hospital or filled a prescription; of these, 62 percent said they could not have
accessed or afforded this care previously
You heard.... you really can keep your doctor too.
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Yes. He claimed Obama sent him a letter and when challenged, he went for WEEKS saying he would scan it in but didn't know how to work a scanner. WEEKS went by and finally he posted one that #1 had a date on it that showed there was no way he could have received it when he claimed he did. #2 and it was the exact same letter he had posted (with a link to) in about half a dozen threads prior. He simply waited for those threads to fall off page 1 of the board and then tried to pass it off as his. Like everyone else here has the ADHD mentally impaired attention span he has.
Dude got his ass kicked all over with that lie.
No - you creepy pedo perv - the carrier jacked my rates, and then the plan was cancelled under skellcare.
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No - you creepy pedo perv - the carrier jacked my rates, and then the plan was cancelled under skellcare.
You lied.
The letter was false.
You got busted.
I am sure the carrier jacked your rates because being a jungle fevered queer is a pre existing condition. And judging by the last year on here... your condition has only grown worse.
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You lied.
The letter was false.
You got busted.
I am sure the carrier jacked your rates because being a jungle fevered queer is a pre existing condition. And judging by the last year on here... your condition has only grown worse.
Damn dude - there are episodes on Criminal Minds w wierdos less creepy than you
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You lied.
The letter was false.
You got busted.
I am sure the carrier jacked your rates because being a jungle fevered queer is a pre existing condition. And judging by the last year on here... your condition has only grown worse.
x 2
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Yes. He claimed Obama sent him a letter and when challenged, he went for WEEKS saying he would scan it in but didn't know how to work a scanner. WEEKS went by and finally he posted one that #1 had a date on it that showed there was no way he could have received it when he claimed he did. #2 and it was the exact same letter he had posted (with a link to) in about half a dozen threads prior. He simply waited for those threads to fall off page 1 of the board and then tried to pass it off as his. Like everyone else here has the ADHD mentally impaired attention span he has.
Dude got his ass kicked all over with that lie.
For some reason that part with the scanner made me laugh.
So he is a lying piece of .... IRL as well? What a surprise.
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What was your reasoning for lying about that letter Soul?
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For some reason that part with the scanner made me laugh.
So he is a lying piece of .... IRL as well? What a surprise.
No shit. The dumb ass bitch was like "I would scan it in but I don't know how to work a scanner".
Never mind he could have taken a pic with his phone. ::)
Dude just flat out lied.
Then got caught in it.
Then got his ass kicked all over for it.
While crying "but it's the same thing".
Before trying to divert attention to some stupid ass irrelevant video clip he kept posting.