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It's no secret that the popularity of MMA has risen in part due to Brock Lesnar's high profile meteoric rise to the top echelon of MMA fighters. He was already a household name due to WWE, and him and his Wonder Soul Brotha Kimbo were cashcows and garnered mucho attention.
Brock was like the equivalent to what Weider had referenced about Arnold and selling magazines (you know what I'm getting at here), and in some aspects he was like Arnold---why Swede uh, supports him...think of all the descriptions that have been applied to Arnold, they can be applied to Brock.
Well, you had all these young followers of WWE then starting really to follow MMA, and Brock was the draw, I've actually met guys who have said that because of Brock, they started MMA training (and always an aside, they add, "I used to a lil wrestling and boxing, myself").
Now, that the Invincible Brock has shown his "back" so to speak, will this cause a drop in viewership, attendance, and those seeking a career in MMA, because their favorite fighter loss? Will this cause the TapOut wearing douches to stay more in shadows---instead of shadow boxing in crowded Gold's gyms at 5:00 pm?
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Brock has charisma, most of the fighters are as boring as soccer.
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Lol brock was a fucking joke, I don't even watch the ufc, but it's don't even got the right build for that shit. He was just a hype bucket.
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Brock has charisma, most of the fighters are as boring as soccer.
Lol thats a funny definition of charisma, Show.
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Lol brock was a fucking joke, I don't even watch the ufc, but it's don't even got the right build for that shit. He was just a hype bucket.
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And what is the "right build" for it, mr I don't even watch?
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Brock has charisma, most of the fighters are as boring as soccer.
Ahhhh, there is that word again, associated with Arnold...but, Arnold exudes it. Brock acts like a cocky douchebucket. And if we were going by his old employer, he lacks the charisma of The Rock, Stone Cold, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Hulk Hogan, Triple H, John Cena, a host of others. That is only going by his old employer standards, in fact it seems most MMA guys, including Brock, really do lack that charismatic persona, which is kinda hard to craft, when your job is beating someone's face in...
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And what is the "right build" for it, mr I don't even watch?
Someone agout 30 pounds leaner than brock. He's too thick, other say it, it's not the least bit surprising.
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Someone agout 30 pounds leaner than brock. He's too thick, other say it, it's not the least bit surprising.
Yeah, Fedor is ripped......
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Yeah, Fedor is ripped......
No but he's at like 25 percent to 35 bf. Alot lighter. Fedor is a good bit shorter and leighter as well.
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Ahhhh, there is that word again, associated with Arnold...but, Arnold exudes it. Brock acts like a cocky douchebucket. And if we were going by his old employer, he lacks the charisma of The Rock, Stone Cold, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Hulk Hogan, Triple H, John Cena, a host of others. That is only going by his old employer standards, in fact it seems most MMA guys, including Brock, really do lack that charismatic persona, which is kinda hard to craft, when your job is beating someone's face in...
Brock had at least as much charisma as Goldberg, but you are correct. His lack of charisma compared to the other WWE stars doesn't matter. Its in comparison to the bags of meat in the UFC that matters. And on his worst day, he has more than anybody else they have.....by far.
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Ahhhh, there is that word again, associated with Arnold...but, Arnold exudes it. Brock acts like a cocky douchebucket. And if we were going by his old employer, he lacks the charisma of The Rock, Stone Cold, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Hulk Hogan, Triple H, John Cena, a host of others. That is only going by his old employer standards, in fact it seems most MMA guys, including Brock, really do lack that charismatic persona, which is kinda hard to craft, when your job is beating someone's face in...
there's always an exception to the rule.
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MMA was growing like mad before Brock and it will continue after. Him losing isn't going to change a thing. MMA fans (and fighters for that matter) love the sport, no matter who is on top.
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there's always an exception to the rule.
Silva has the Ultimate mma body. for a non HW.
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MMA was growing like mad before Brock and it will continue after. Him losing isn't going to change a thing. MMA fans (and fighters for that matter) love the sport, no matter who is on top.
Brock has brought Alot of new fans over from wwe. that Will stay even if brock goes away (which he wont) So the answer to this thread is imo No.
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even I have to admit this is fucking hillarious lol.
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there's always an exception to the rule.
He should used this as his walk out music...makes you want to watch Spiderman
MMA was growing like mad before Brock and it will continue after. Him losing isn't going to change a thing. MMA fans (and fighters for that matter) love the sport, no matter who is on top.
I never said it wasn't growing like mad, but Brock and to a lesser extent Kimbo made it grow like a pumpkin on Super Miracle Grow. Brock brought the WWE crowd with him and Kimbo brought the YouTube/porn/ Urban crowd with him...hell, RealityKings got a whole lot more traffic and popularity with Kimbo.
Look what Brock represents at his core, which Dana was trying to capitalize on: All American, down to earth, non-elitist, hunter, more likely to drive a Ford F150 Supercab than a Aston Martin...you sell that to a core audience of insecure disenfrancised youth, who have no real avenues to express "their true selves" (the same core audience as bbing) and you have a deal maker...Brock brought the crowd, his fights probably were bigger PR draws than Fedor, who is the Real Deal..
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Brock will fight again and it will be a huge draw. People are gonna want to see how he reacts to adversity. His next fight will be against someone he can take down and beat on. I still think Brock is an awesome fighter. He destroyed Mir twice and whipped Coutures ass.
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even I have to admit this is fucking hillarious lol.
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LOL
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Brock will fight again and it will be a huge draw. People are gonna want to see how he reacts to adversity. His next fight will be against someone he can take down and beat on. I still think Brock is an awesome fighter. He destroyed Mir once and whipped Coutures ass.
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back in the day the fighters were much much cooler
don frye,ken shamrock, lebanner and so on
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he ruined mir until he got caught though =)
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he ruined mir until he got caught though =)
C'mon Swede he lost , so you can say the same thing about Carwin , he ruined Lesnar until he got caught ::)
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he ruined mir until he got caught though =)
He was destroying Mir in that first fight. Mir got lucky Brock stuck his leg out like that. Don't worry Swede Brock will be back. He needs to learn some more Stand up. He's still ten times stronger and more powerful than the top guys in the Heavy Weight division.
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C'mon Swede he lost , so you can say the same thing about Carwin , he ruined Lesnar until he got caught ::)
he lost.. he got caught. Mir won.
But he ruined mir until that point. you saw that and I saw that :)
(shouldnt have been stood up either)
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he lost.. he got caught. Mir won.
But he ruined mir until that point. you saw that and I saw that :)
(shouldnt have been stood up either)
Point is that Lesnar didn't beat Mir twice .
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Point is that Lesnar didn't beat Mir twice .
never said he did =)
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swede bro stop worshipping other man and go get some weed and pussy
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never said he did =)
Makaveli did ,when I corrected him you jumped in .
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Makaveli did ,when I corrected him you jumped in .
ok =)
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you ignore me? :'(
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you ignore me? :'(
lol no
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lol no
you only have 2 words for me?
:'(
no homo
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MMA was growing like mad before Brock and it will continue after. Him losing isn't going to change a thing. MMA fans (and fighters for that matter) love the sport, no matter who is on top.
This ^^^^
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Silva has the Ultimate mma body. for a non HW.
No he doesn't. He is an awful wrestler.
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No he doesn't. He is an awful wrestler.
Jon bones jones has the same type of Optimal mma body. With wrestling =)
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No he doesn't. He is an awful wrestler.
He said body, what does one's skill as a wrestler have anything to do with optimum body type for MMA? Nothing
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Jon jones will DOMINATE in the future.
DOMINATED hammils wrestling which Should be impossible. got DQ'd though lol.
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brock has brought more viewers into mma for sure but, fedor is still the biggest cash cow there has been, and to think someone like him can draw so much more crowd in mma than lets say 10-15 years back, and not having a hollywood status means it wouldn't change a thing if brock never was, mma is to grow more and more and it will only be better.
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brock has brought more viewers into mma for sure but, fedor is still the biggest cash cow there has been, and to think someone like him can draw so much more crowd in mma than lets say 10-15 years back, and not having a hollywood status means it wouldn't change a thing if brock never was, mma is to grow more and more and it will only be better.
Brock is a bigger draw then fedor in usa.. fedor recent fight didnt actually draw that many viewers at all.
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Brock is a bigger draw then fedor in usa.. fedor recent fight didnt actually draw that many viewers at all.
oh well... it just seems that people who have no idea what mma is, not even after frank shamrock or tito or any of those guys were in 20 years of ufc television and media in general- untill they just heard about this one guy called fedor means that brock is not the soley reason for mma's fame... that's how I stepped on mma, fedor was the guy. And I have no fucking idea what mma is or why or who or when or blabla... but fedor made me look into mma and I found out that it has quite alot of legendary fighters allready.
but yeah, you're right...
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lots of young alphas here in this thread
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As long as there are twinks in America looking for a purpose in life, the MMA will be fine.
It's not over until bitches started getting paralyzed on TV every week.
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As long as there are twinks in America looking for a purpose in life, the MMA will be fine.
It's not over until bitches started getting paralyzed on TV every week.
rear-naked choking.....
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rear-naked choking.....
pinching one's nipples before a fight.
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pinching one's nipples before a fight.
your own, their's or your trainers?
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Drinking your urine in the morning so you don't miss out on the nutrients (Machida)
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As long as there are twinks in America looking for a purpose in life, the MMA will be fine.
It's not over until bitches started getting paralyzed on TV every week.
Haha ;D
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It's no secret that the popularity of MMA has risen in part due to Brock Lesnar's high profile meteoric rise to the top echelon of MMA fighters. He was already a household name due to WWE, and him and his Wonder Soul Brotha Kimbo were cashcows and garnered mucho attention.
Brock was like the equivalent to what Weider had referenced about Arnold and selling magazines (you know what I'm getting at here), and in some aspects he was like Arnold---why Swede uh, supports him...think of all the descriptions that have been applied to Arnold, they can be applied to Brock.
Well, you had all these young followers of WWE then starting really to follow MMA, and Brock was the draw, I've actually met guys who have said that because of Brock, they started MMA training (and always an aside, they add, "I used to a lil wrestling and boxing, myself").
Now, that the Invincible Brock has shown his "back" so to speak, will this cause a drop in viewership, attendance, and those seeking a career in MMA, because their favorite fighter loss? Will this cause the TapOut wearing douches to stay more in shadows---instead of shadow boxing in crowded Gold's gyms at 5:00 pm?
From what I understand he got ko'd pretty badly. It happens.
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"I used to a lil wrestling and boxing, myself"
Sounds like our very own Venom Vince.
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I remember 150lb MMA warriors stopping by the store in full tapout wear and looking for heavy bags. I would NEVER mention the shirt, as I knew what was coming, they ALWAYS had to mention they were training for MMA somewhere in the conversation.
Evidently punching/kicking a heavy bag in your garage is serious MMA training! Clowns...
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He said body, what does one's skill as a wrestler have anything to do with optimum body type for MMA? Nothing
Explain to me how being physically weak and getting put on your ass by any decnt wrestler is optimum body type.
GSP has a good build. No real weakpoints.
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Explain to me how being physically weak and getting put on your ass by any decnt wrestler is optimum body type.
GSP has a good build. No real weakpoints.
Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal. Especialyl combined with amazing skills. (better then short limbs with equal skills)
You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!
you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.
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Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal.
You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!
you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.
tell me if I'm wrong, but silva has the best boxing in all of mma? I looked some of his highlights and his just ammazing, makes some of the opponents look like total douches who trained their cardio for nothing.
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tell me if I'm wrong, but silva has the best boxing in all of mma? I looked some of his highlights and his just ammazing, makes some of the opponents look like total douches who trained their cardio for nothing.
There are some former pro boxers who I guess should have better boxing per se, but Mma adapted boxing then Silva is probably on the top.
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There are some former pro boxers who I guess should have better boxing per se, but Mma adapted boxing then Silva is probably on the top.
yeah taking all in consideration he has one of the best offence/difence because he has adapted boxing so well in mma... boxing in itself is fine, but it's another story to adapt it in mma world.
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In all seriousness, i think MMA moreso than ANY other sport has a huge following of fans who have never actually participated in it. Most other fans of sports have at least dabbled in the sport, rec leagues, hs, etc... most MMA fans consider themselves an expert because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv.
Not saying someone has to have been a professional to be knowledgeable about the sport, but in most cases it certainly helps to understand what they are really trying to do vs. what joe rogan has told you they are trying to do.
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In all seriousness, i think MMA moreso than ANY other sport has a huge following of fans who have never actually participated in it. Most other fans of sports have at least dabbled in the sport, rec leagues, hs, etc... most MMA fans consider themselves an expert because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv.
Not saying someone has to have been a professional to be knowledgeable about the sport, but in most cases it certainly helps to understand what they are really trying to do vs. what joe rogan has told you they are trying to do.
I would put NFL higher up. And Nascar
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I would put NFL higher up. And Nascar
Nah, I would say the vast majority of NFL fans in the US have at least played some football at some point. It might have been peewee at 9yrs old. haha And everybody drives a car, so they can relate to wanting to go fast, etc...
But very, very few people have ever been in any kind of real "fight." Obviously, you have and seem to understand how power is delivered in punches, etc... and I would say that boxing has a lot of the same type of fans who are "experts" but have no idea how to throw a punch.
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Nah, I would say the vast majority of NFL fans in the US have at least played some football at some point. It might have been peewee at 9yrs old. haha And everybody drives a car, so they can relate to wanting to go fast, etc...
But very, very few people have ever been in any kind of real "fight." Obviously, you have and seem to understand how power is delivered in punches, etc... and I would say that boxing has a lot of the same type of fans who are "experts" but have no idea how to throw a punch.
If you comapre "driving a car" to nascar, the your "because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv" should be enough for mma lol.
if everyone trained mma a few times at least, people wouldn't boo the groundgame. Nor would they talk so much shit about it at all.
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lol
the rematch will be bigger than this...
its well known in pro wrestling,,,
sometimes a loss can be better than a win in the long run
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If you comapre "driving a car" to nascar, the your "because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv" should be enough for mma lol.
if everyone trained mma a few times at least, people wouldn't boo the groundgame. Nor would they talk so much shit about it at all.
I'll concede on the Nascar thing..... but you know what I'm saying because I agree with your second point. I think that is the only thing holding it back is because a huge amount of people just can't relate....and will never be able to.
Something to think about though, I don't know if you have heard about it over there, but the NFL is cracking down on "devasting hits" and I have wondered if a lot of the fervor over taming down the NFL over the last 10-15 yrs isn't at least partly due to females becoming a huge growing part of the fanbase?
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I think that is the only thing holding it back is because a huge amount of people just can't relate....and will never be able to.
thats one of the problems. and why people are thinking its gay or boring or something like that.
sugar ray leonard was at the brock vs cain event and said was Insanly impressed and said "boxing is nothing like this!" and dana said "thats wht boxing Used to be" refering to all the crowd cheering intensity etc etc
and I can understand why poeple dont care for the ground game if they havent tried it =)
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thats one of the problems. and why people are thinking its gay or boring or something like that.
sugar ray leonard was at the brock vs cain event and said was Insanly impressed and said "boxing is nothing like this!" and dana said "thats wht boxing Used to be" refering to all the crowd cheering intensity etc etc
and I can understand why poeple dont care for the ground game if they havent tried it =)
I remember Dana saying something about how fighting or especially wanting to see others fight is just such a huge part of our makeup. His example is that go to ANY sports event and let a fight break out and watch people turn away from the action to watch it.....and he is correct. We all do it.
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even I have to admit this is fucking hillarious lol.
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It's the new run and roll escape
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I remember Dana saying something about how fighting or especially wanting to see others fight is just such a huge part of our makeup. His example is that go to ANY sports event and let a fight break out and watch people turn away from the action to watch it.....and he is correct. We all do it.
When its exciting Everyone wants to watch.. Most poeple dont understand that it can be equally as exciting on the ground though (because they havent tried) =)
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Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal. Especialyl combined with amazing skills. (better then short limbs with equal skills)
You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!
you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.
Fedor and Cain both have very short legs and arms. That's why they can punch harder and faster.
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Fedor and Cain both have very short legs and arms. That's why they can punch harder and faster.
Hahaa
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Dana White must have puked after Brock lost.Can you imagine a boring idiot with BROWN PRIDE on his chest is now the champion?I cant wait to see the buy rate on his next Pay Per View trying to sell Velaquez as a draw.
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Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal. Especialyl combined with amazing skills. (better then short limbs with equal skills)
You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!
you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.
There is no such thing as an ideal bodytype. But playing along, given the fact that silva lacks physical strength and wrestling ability, i certainly wouldn't put him near the top. As i said GSP is very well rounded, he has fluid striking, great strength and wrestling and is quick. He lacks power but that has jack to do with bodytype.
Silva is a good fighter but he didn't do much in boxing and is very reluctant to participate in k-1 so it is hard to evaluate his striking on the elite level. Although it's obvious that he has improved considerably since back in the day.
You could get 6 month novices that would tool guys like Forest standing.
And no Brock losing is not going to affect mma's popularity. If anything having a Mexican heavyweight as the top guy will boost it.
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When boxing gets a heavyweight with charisma and excitment then MMA will die right down again.
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Drinking youranother man's urine in the morning so you don't miss out on the nutrients (Machida)
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There is no such thing as an ideal bodytype. But playing along, given the fact that silva lacks physical strength and wrestling ability, i certainly wouldn't put him near the top. As i said GSP is very well rounded, he has fluid striking, great strength and wrestling and is quick. He lacks power but that has jack to do with bodytype.
Silva is a good fighter but he didn't do much in boxing and is very reluctant to participate in k-1 so it is hard to evaluate his striking on the elite level. Although it's obvious that he has improved considerably since back in the day.
You could get 6 month novices that would tool guys like Forest standing.
And no Brock losing is not going to affect mma's popularity. If anything having a Mexican heavyweight as the top guy will boost it.
I think its ideal. Silva's body and Jon bones jones body. you can dissagree if you want to no problem.
And thats a good point which I forgot to mention. This is a win win situation for UFC: People Will tune in when brock makes his comback AND this will draw in a SHITLOAD of new mexican fans.
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I think its ideal. Silva's body and Jon bones jones body. you can dissagree if you want to no problem.
And thats a good point which I forgot to mention. This is a win win situation for UFC: People Will tune in when brock makes his comback AND this will draw in a SHITLOAD of new mexican fans.
First guy of mexican descent to hold a heavyweight title in a combat sport apparently.
Dana looked pissed post fight, probably because of the maner of the defeat as much as anything.
Makes Brock and the recent hype a bit of a hard sell but i think he will retain his numbers anyway. Shit Kimbo used to get huge numbers and it wasn't exactly performance related.
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First guy of mexican descent to hold a heavyweight title in a combat sport apparently.
Dana looked pissed post fight, probably because of the maner of the defeat as much as anything.
Makes Brock and the recent hype a bit of a hard sell but i think he will retain his numbers anyway. Shit Kimbo used to get huge numbers and it wasn't exactly performance related.
about 3 weeks leading up to this fight dana and lesnarhad apaprently been fighting like crazy over something also
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When boxing gets a heavyweight with charisma and excitment then MMA will die right down again.
You can't possibly see an MMA thread without sticking in something about boxing being better can you? 5 tears from now MMA will be so much bigger than boxing there won't even be a valid comparison. Right now, if you asked 1000 people off the street to name as many current UFC fighters as they can vs as many current boxers as they can, the comparison wouldn't even be close. Ask how boxing matches they have watched in the last year vs how many UFCs they have watched, same thing.
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You can't possibly see an MMA thread without sticking in something about boxing being better can you? 5 tears from now MMA will be so much bigger than boxing there won't even be a valid comparison. Right now, if you asked 1000 people off the street to name as many current UFC fighters as they can vs as many current boxers as they can, the comparison wouldn't even be close. Ask how boxing matches they have watched in the last year vs how many UFCs they have watched, same thing.
It's no coincidence that MMA pretty much ignores the sport of boxing and feels no need to make comparisons or constantly claim who is tougher than whom. They readily admit they would have no chance with a boxer fighting under boxing rules. Nor do they wish boxing will die out. No reason why the sports can't coexist. It's the boxing guys that are always making the comparisons and predicting the demise of MMA.
It's obvious who is feeling threatened here.
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You can't possibly see an MMA thread without sticking in something about boxing being better can you? 5 tears from now MMA will be so much bigger than boxing there won't even be a valid comparison. Right now, if you asked 1000 people off the street to name as many current UFC fighters as they can vs as many current boxers as they can, the comparison wouldn't even be close. Ask how boxing matches they have watched in the last year vs how many UFCs they have watched, same thing.
You think if you asked 1000 people on the street more could name an MMAer than a boxer!!Guess all those years working in the rough clubs of the Phoenix ghetto have screwed your mind!
5 years from now MMA will be less popular than now as the fad is dieing and boxing will have a superstar HW champ. I m willing to bet you $1000 on this.
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It's no coincidence that MMA pretty much ignores the sport of boxing and feels no need to make comparisons or constantly claim who is tougher than whom. They readily admit they would have no chance with a boxer fighting under boxing rules. Nor do they wish boxing will die out. No reason why the sports can't coexist. It's the boxing guys that are always making the comparisons and predicting the demise of MMA.
It's obvious who is feeling threatened here.
There must be some Gracie kid on the way up?
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You think if you asked 1000 people on the street more could name an MMAer than a boxer!!Guess all those years working in the rough clubs of the Phoenix ghetto have screwed your mind!
5 years from now MMA will be less popular than now as the fad is dieing and boxing will have a superstar HW champ. I m willing to bet you $1000 on this.
I said current boxers, not Mike Tyson, Ali, Foreman, the other household names. Most people off the street couldn't name more than 3 current boxers, and probably in most cases, they couldn't name one. Everyone knows more MMA fighters than that now. If I thought you had $1000 I'd take the bet on whether MMA will be less popular. As for whether there will be a good HW boxer, if there is, it will be about fuckin' time. There hasn't been a household name HW since Tyson.
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You think if you asked 1000 people on the street more could name an MMAer than a boxer!!Guess all those years working in the rough clubs of the Phoenix ghetto have screwed your mind!
5 years from now MMA will be less popular than now as the fad is dieing and boxing will have a superstar HW champ. I m willing to bet you $1000 on this.
I would imagine that it depends where you live. In Hawaii it isn't even close. People here follow Pacman like their own shadow but it's not only because of his star power but also the strong Filipino culture in Hawai. But MMA rules here. In the gyms here, the health clubs not fighting gyms, I always hear MMA talk and never boxing. At work, after Lesnar lost, the old boxing/MMA debate came up. It wasn't so bad because these were just casual fans and since the Lesnar invincibility was gone it was just harmless speculation. Problem was, nobody, including myself I'm ashamed to say, could name the current heavyweight boxing champ.
I was at Border's in the mall a few days ago and went to check out the magazines. In the sport sections everyone had one of the what must now a be a half dozen MMA mag in their hand. The boxing and (thankfully) bodybuilding mags remained untouched and in pristine condition. Coincidently, a fight broke out just outside near the food court. I'm always amazed how much street fighting has changed. No more looping swings and mindless brawling. I saw knees, leg kicks, elbows combinations, attempted take downs. Even the coaching from their respective supporters showed the MMA influence. These guys were evenly matched and they fought to exhaustion and just quit by mutual agreement. People who have never been in a real fight don't realize how important conditioning is and no matter how tough you are when you lose your wind you lose your will. So these mokes just walked off still yelling insults at each other. When one yelled, while walking away still sucking wind, "Any time, brah! Any time you like scrap, brah! Any time!" And the other guy, also still exhausted, is yelling back, "Whatevas, brah! Time and place I'm there."
I just kind of laughed. I was thinking, "Um, how about, like, now. I mean, you're both here and you are fighting." But still it's always good to see that unlike on the mainland, everyone just lets them fight. No one calls security. No police. No one jumps in. No guns or knives. Still unconsciously observing the unspoken rules of fair combat culturally ingrained in them and set down generations ago based on pride and honor.
I have to get a real cell phone that can take videos and start recording this shit.
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There must be some Gracie kid on the way up?
There's always going to be a Gracie out there. Rorion's second youngest son, Ralek Gracie, whom I've know since he was just a baby, just beat Sakuraba some months ago, but the days of a Gracie dynasty is long gone. Physically and athletically they are not gifted. Other than Rickson (who is rumored to have a bit of the neegrow gene in him) now of them strike me as physically and athletically impressive. In the elite ranks of any sport every bit of an advantage, no matter how small, can be the difference between winning and losing.
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I said current boxers, not Mike Tyson, Ali, Foreman, the other household names. Most people off the street couldn't name more than 3 current boxers, and probably in most cases, they couldn't name one. Everyone knows more MMA fighters than that now. If I thought you had $1000 I'd take the bet on whether MMA will be less popular. As for whether there will be a good HW boxer, if there is, it will be about fuckin' time. There hasn't been a household name HW since Tyson.
Maybe it's different where I'm at but everywhere I go some tool or kid has some sort of mma shirt on.
Hell I was at walmart earlier buying sum halloween candy and I saw a bunch of affliction and tap out gear.
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Maybe it's different where I'm at but everywhere I go some tool or kid has some sort of mma shirt on.
Hell I was at walmart earlier buying sum halloween candy and I saw a bunch of affliction and tap out gear.
Did you rear-naked choke any of the little bastards?
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Maybe it's different where I'm at but everywhere I go some tool or kid has some sort of mma shirt on.
Hell I was at walmart earlier buying sum halloween candy and I saw a bunch of affliction and tap out gear.
It isn't different there....its the same everywhere.
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Did you rear-naked choke any of the little bastards?
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It isn't different there....its the same everywhere.
Thing is........ I never see anyone wearing some sort of boxing shirt.
Though I do meet a lot of guys that claim to be golden glove boxers ;D
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Thing is........ I never see anyone wearing some sort of boxing shirt.
Though I do meet a lot of guys that claim to be golden glove boxers ;D
I'm gonna start asking strangers on the street to name both. I'll report my results. Of course Avey will too, but he'll make his up and everyone he asked knows the name of 40 current boxers but they have never heard of Chuck Lidell.
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I asked people at work, i work in a big office building. No im not the cleaner! 8) i was surprised how many knew of Lesnar, Fedor, GSP and Michael Bisping(this being England and he being our top UFCer) and current boxers they knew Pacman, Floyd, David Haye, Audley Harrison.
Some people thought Mike Tyson was still HW champ! ::)
So yes you re right MMA will overtake boxing soon. I accept that now BUT i still think if a Tyson like HW comes along boxing will get huge again and i can imagine the debates and demand for him to enter te UFC!
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I asked people at work, i work in a big office building. No im not the cleaner! 8) i was surprised how many knew of Lesnar, Fedor, GSP and Michael Bisping(this being England and he being our top UFCer) and current boxers they knew Pacman, Floyd, David Haye, Audley Harrison.
Some people thought Mike Tyson was still HW champ! ::)
So yes you re right MMA will overtake boxing soon. I accept that now BUT i still think if a Tyson like HW comes along boxing will get huge again and i can imagine the debates and demand for him to enter te UFC!
Impressive post. You show good character. I don't see why the sports can't coexists. It's not a zero sum game where if you watch MMA you don't watch boxing. But you're right. Personalities makes a big difference. I don't really follow boxing as a sport but I followed the personalities and watch their fights. Guys like De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and of course Tyson when he was active.
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I asked people at work, i work in a big office building. No im not the cleaner! 8) i was surprised how many knew of Lesnar, Fedor, GSP and Michael Bisping(this being England and he being our top UFCer) and current boxers they knew Pacman, Floyd, David Haye, Audley Harrison.
Some people thought Mike Tyson was still HW champ! ::)
So yes you re right MMA will overtake boxing soon. I accept that now BUT i still think if a Tyson like HW comes along boxing will get huge again and i can imagine the debates and demand for him to enter te UFC!
I'm glad you finally admitted it. Anyway, we agree on one thing. Boxing needs a good HW. After Tyson was done, I pretty much quit even watching boxing and I loved it before. I don't even know who Haye and Harrison are. The other thing that really hurt boxing is too many weight classes and too many federations. It doesn't mean shit to say you are the champion if there are 6 other champions in the same weight class. As Pellius says, if you could get a good HW back in boxing, both sports could thrive. MMA is my thing, but I loved boxing too back in the glory days. I would love to see that happen again.