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Obama speaks at Chace house, skips lobster, steak
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By John Mulligan
Journal White House Bureau
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PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- President Obama's final stop was a $7,500-a-head fundraiser in the well-appointed home of Arnold "Buff" and Johnnie Chace on the East Side, not far from Brown University.
The president spoke for about 20 minutes, then left before the dinner of locally grown foods by celebrated Rhode Island chefs -- including lobster risotto -- that Mrs. Chace had planned.
Fewer than 50 were in attendance, according to Eric Hyers, campaign manager for Providence Mayor David N. Cicilline, the Democratic candidate for the House seat being vacated by Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy.
The gathering took place in a living room that featured several oil paintings -- portraits over the facing fireplaces at either end of the room, a seascape, some landscapes and a rustic scene of people in red hunting caps.
Guests wore business attire -- suits and ties, skirts and pantsuits, dark colors predominating.
Guests included three of the four-member Rhode Island Democratic congressional delegation -- Rhode Island Senators Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse and Kennedy. Rep. James R. Langevin had left the presidential party at an earlier stop.
Also on hand: Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee -- who introduced the president -- and Cicilline.
In attendance too, was consultant Ira Magaziner, the Rhode Islander who managed former President Bill Clinton's unsuccessful health care initiative. Magaziner won a friendly acknowledgment from the president.
"He was there for the last round in 1994," said the president, referring to the health care initiative. "He knows how tough it is."
Mr. Obama spoke for around 20 minutes, touching some of the same points he had made during his earlier visit to the factory in Woonsocket:
* On the economy: The unemployment rate might be 12 or 13 percent today had it not been for administration policies.
* On the mood of the electorate: "It's not surprising that the country is angry and the country is frustrated."
* On GOP strategy: It's "to try to ride that anger for as long as possible."
* On the administration's accomplishment's accomplishments; "I could not be prouder" of a record that includes the largest spending on infrastructure since the Eisenhower administration, the largest increase in national service since the Peace Corps and Wall Street reform.
Mr. Obama concluded his remarks at about 7:30, saying he couldn't stay for dinner.
"I've got to go home to tuck in the girls and walk the dog and scoop the poop," he said.
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Guys - how would you feel if you just paid $15k to have dinner with obama and 20 minutes later he left saying ascooping shit was better than haning out with you for at least 30 minutes?
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This is that teabagging shit I was talking about. You get all caught up in a panic over something rather trivial, overly partisan, and has no effect the world. You obess on emotion, your viewpoints get ignored because your 90 percent emotion 10 percent content.
So that 1k a minute. Considering how much money he raises, I pretty sure the actual value would be 5 k a minute, and thats if he didn`t have better things to do like run a country.
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If I ever paid any amt of money to have dinner with him, please shoot me asap.
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* On the economy: The unemployment rate might be 12 or 13 percent today had it not been for administration policies.
HAHAHAHA!!! How does that clown know this?
This is the same fool who said the stim was needed to keep UE at 8% or lower. So if he was wrong about that, how could he be right about that 12 or 13% figure? Seems like he is plucking figures out of his rear end.
He can make up all the numbers he wants, the fact is his administration's policies did not work because they did not accomplish that 8% UE level.
And if Obama and his administration was honest, which I know is asking too much, they would say that the 9.6% UE figure is incorrect. That it should be higher since they don't count people that have given up looking for a job and are now living off unemployment benefits and welfare.
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And if Obama and his administration was honest, which I know is asking too much, they would say that the 9.6% UE figure is incorrect. That it should be higher since they don't count people that have given up looking for a job and are now living off unemployment benefits and welfare.
Why would you go bye what any politician says. Go by what they do not what they say. Those 8 percent numbers are obviously bogus. You really gotta do better than that.
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Why would you go bye what any politician says. Go by what they do not what they say. Those 8 percent numbers are obviously bogus. You really gotta do better than that.
I am going by those numbers in order to show that he doesn't know what he is doing. Using his own statements against him. That doesn't mean that I believed anything he stated either in the past or present. It is not a difficult thing to understand. Try to keep up, skippy.
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Why would you go bye what any politician says. Go by what they do not what they say. Those 8 percent numbers are obviously bogus. You really gotta do better than that.
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And there out to fucking lunch predictions. Made by the banking industry. It`s not a surprise. Your blaming obama for the first qurter of 09. That wasn`t even when the market bottomed out.
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And there out to fucking lunch predictions. Made by the banking industry. It`s not a surprise. Your blaming obama for the first qurter of 09. That wasn`t even when the market bottomed out.
Sorry tool - if he was that far off in his projections, than there is no reason to believe anything else from him on anything else.
One and done.
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Sorry tool - if he was that far off in his projections, than there is no reason to believe anything else from him on anything else.
One and done.
Your fitting right in with narrow minded economics. The bail out had just as much to do with social as it did, economic. The Idea was to boost confidents in the markets, do you honestly think boosting confidents combined with givening brutally honest figures go hand and hand.
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Your fitting right in with narrow minded economics. The bail out had just as much to do with social as it did, economic. The Idea was to boost confidents in the markets, do you honestly think boosting confidents combined with givening brutally honest figures go hand and hand.
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Go read my thread on AIG.
Sorry - I don't need a bj by obama.
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Go read my thread on AIG.
Sorry - I don't need a bj by obama.
Dude you were doing good with the ninja scam shit.
However going back to trivial shit about obama day in and day out gets old. What next Obama takes a shit in the shape of a cresent.
It`s funny because you get all worked up about Obama, when most likely he won`t get reelected, as starting a presidency in the start of the biggest depression since the 1930`s never ends well. You speak about how bad he is, but you think things will be all fine and dandy with this next republican. Bush fucked shit too. And your not suggesting many options that aren`t fucking radical, or any more beneficial than anyone else.
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Dude you were doing good with the ninja scam shit.
However going back to trivial shit about obama day in and day out gets old. What next Obama takes a shit in the shape of a cresent.
It`s funny because you get all worked up about Obama, when most likely he won`t get reelected, as starting a presidency in the start of the biggest depression since the 1930`s never ends well. You speak about how bad he is, but you think things will be all fine and dandy with this next republican. Bush fucked shit too. And your not suggesting many options that aren`t fucking radical, or any more beneficial than anyone else.
Right - its not just Obama - its Geithner, Summers, Lew, Sunstein, Holdren, Anita Dunn, Wright, Van jones, Andy Stern, and all the other freaks that came along with this admn, not to mention Pelosi, Reid, Waman, Rangle, Markey, Shultz, schumer, et al.
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Right - its not just Obama - its Geithner, Summers, Lew, Sunstein, Holdren, Anita Dunn, Wright, Van jones, Andy Stern, and all the other freaks that came along with this admn, not to mention Pelosi, Reid, Waman, Rangle, Markey, Shultz, schumer, et al.
Lol why are the about 15 Obama threads going right now and maybe one on the rest
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Dude you were doing good with the ninja scam shit.
However going back to trivial shit about obama day in and day out gets old. What next Obama takes a shit in the shape of a cresent.
It`s funny because you get all worked up about Obama, when most likely he won`t get reelected, as starting a presidency in the start of the biggest depression since the 1930`s never ends well. You speak about how bad he is, but you think things will be all fine and dandy with this next republican. Bush fucked shit too. And your not suggesting many options that aren`t fucking radical, or any more beneficial than anyone else.
What are your suggestions besides preaching for redistribution of wealth, you benefit-leeching, loan-shirking scumbag?
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Truly everyone should just vote for me...
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Lol why are the about 15 Obama threads going right now and maybe one on the rest
He is on the TV, radio, speeches daily, everywhere 24/7.
If he went away and actually worked instead of sucking up tax dollars campaigning again - we probably would discuss other things. however, because this communist, incompetent, marxist, lenninist, anti-colonialist, know-nothing, traitor is in our collective faces every 5 secods, he gets an appropriate amount of attention.
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What are your suggestions besides preaching for redistribution of wealth, you benefit-leeching, loan-shirking scumbag?
What fucking benefits are you fucking talking about.
As I`ve said before my parents make good money, can pay for my schooling, as that`s the way it should be. I was gonna get a loan this summer out of white guilt, but decided at a later date not to. You post the same shit day in and day out about me.
I vote conservative. I am pretty conservative myself. Minus certain little issues that any modern country supports like healtcare. Notice your partners in developement are mexico, south africa, and thailand.
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What fucking benefits are you fucking talking about.
As I`ve said before my parents make good money, can pay for my schooling, as that`s the way it should be. I was gonna get a loan this summer out of white guilt, but decided at a later date not to. You post the same shit day in and day out about me.
I vote conservative. I am pretty conservative myself. Minus certain little issues that any modern country supports like healtcare.
ha ha ha ha - wait till you get a job, pay taxes and see the leeches stealing your cash. You will be worse than me.
WOLVERINES!
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ha ha ha ha - wait till you get a job, pay taxes and see the leeches stealing your cash. You will be worse than me.
WOLVERINES!
Lol well I guess that`s the severe difference in culture. In my family everyone pays more than the national average in taxes. We don`t think WERE FEEDING FUCKING LEECHES. Were social people and less selfish. We take pride in supporting our people. My best friend works hard as fuck hours at his job, But ain`t able to maintain, permanet healtcare, I like knowing that he can see a doctor when he gets hurt on the job. My other best friend, will be in a wheelchair by 40. I`m glad to know I`ll be able to support him as well. I don`t consider my friends, leeches, I take pride that I am fortunate enough to be able to support them. Sure there are leeches too, but fucking my friends over on principle, ain`t gonna cut it. I`m all for cutting uncessary benefits, but that shit is tricky and it`s playing god IMHO.
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He is on the TV, radio, speeches daily, everywhere 24/7.
Turn off the tv then. Get a job, actually work at it instead of posting all day. I don`t watch tv or radio, FYI got better things to do with my time. Getbig is my release between all other parts of my day. Class breakfast studying gym, going out etc. Hence my Iratic posting style from 6 am to 10 at night.
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Turn off the tv then. Get a job, actually work at it instead of posting all day. I don`t watch tv or radio, FYI got better things to do with my time. Getbig is my release between all other parts of my day. Class breakfast studying gym, going out etc. Hence my Iratic posting style from 6 am to 10 at night.
You don't get it, its TV, internet, Radio, newpapers etc. This asshole is everywhere all the time.
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333 what relevance does this have to have with you?
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333 what relevance does this have to have with you?
I thought it was funny as hell to imagine a couple paying 15k thinking they would get to chit chat with obama and meet him, chance of a lifetime, only to be told, he had to leave them after to 20 minutes to clean up shit after the dog shited on the carpet. Don't they have porters in the WH for that?
You don't find humor in that?
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I thought it was funny as hell to imagine a couple paying 15k thinking they would get to chit chat with obama and meet him, chance of a lifetime, only to be told, he had to leave them after to 20 minutes to clean up shit after the dog shited on the carpet. Don't they have porters in the WH for that?
You don't find humor in that?
Lol evens other are catching on. I really could care about the eat etiquette of obama.
The irony how you say obama`s everywhere exposes your obama obsession. The only place obama, ever gets mentiond that I know of is in this subforum. And usually 90 percent of the time by you. And it does drive me up the wall. He`s just a fucking figure head, a guy, yet Teabaggs are making him way more popular than he should be. your post count prooves it alone. I gauretee that out of 100 of your latest posts, that half of them were obama related.
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damn!
http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/10/obama-speaks-at-chace-house-sk.html
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damn!
http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/10/obama-speaks-at-chace-house-sk.html
Man you should goto a shrink you are far to obsessed with this man. Did he molest your wife or something.
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Man you should goto a shrink you are far to obsessed with this man. Did he molest your wife or something.
Why do foreginers want to tell us how to fell about our domestic politics on a political board?
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Why do foreginers want to tell us how to fell about our domestic politics on a political board?
Because I`m not austistic and care about the well being of others, especially when we share a border. Add to that it`s the best way to learn about politics is to see what other countries do, although that might be lost on americans.
But of course I`m completely ignorant even though I watch the same television, frequent same websites, speak the same language, live the same lifestyle, yet all this is meaningless because my country ain`t contracting it`s GDP at the moment.
You would be much better to learn from, if you weren`t overly caught up with the daily eating habits of one man.
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Because I`m not austistic and care about the well being of others, especially when we share a border. Add to that it`s the best way to learn about politics is to see what other countries do, although that might be lost on americans.
You would be much better to learn from, if you weren`t overly caught up with the daily eating habits of one man.
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That`s a well thought out opinion how did you come to that. A very rational response I must say.
But of course I`m completely ignorant even though I watch the same television, frequent same websites, speak the same language, live the same lifestyle, yet all this is meaningless because my country ain`t contracting it`s GDP at the moment.
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That`s a well thought out opinion how did you come to that. A very rational response I must say.
But of course I`m completely ignorant even though I watch the same television, frequent same websites, speak the same language, live the same lifestyle, yet all this is meaningless because my country ain`t contracting it`s GDP at the moment.
Take a civics class for once fool. Obama is the head of a 1/3 of the govt and has an enormous impact on our country with his policies, cabinet picks, agency directives, etc.
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Take a civics class for once fool. Obama is the head of a 1/3 of the govt and has an enormous impact on our country with his policies, cabinet picks, agency directives, etc.
No shit sherlock, yet he still represents the views of millions of Americans.
Stop acting like I`m some Obama lover it`s your attachement to feelings that`s causing alot of harm.
I`d love to here rational problems of Obama.
Even ones that focus on his bailout and healthcare seems very narrowed minded on a global perspective.
The bailout and healtcare reform are things that are found across the western world. This isn`t unique to this one man.
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No shit sherlock, yet he still represents the views of millions of Americans.
Yeah, the parasite and leech class. Oh that's right - you don't even pay for yourself, no wonder you love him.
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Yeah, the parasite and leech class. Oh that's right - you don't even pay for yourself, no wonder you love him.
When did I say I loved him. Lol I`m going to school so I can participate in the economy, and most likely be in a high tax bracket like the rest of my family.
This is the thing you reply on emotion, not reason.
Your narrow minded view that every country in the western world are a bunch of leeches is pretty simplistic. again your not trying to progress but simply dig deeper into your own view of the world.
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When did I say I loved him. Lol I`m going to school so I can participate in the economy, and most likely be in a high tax bracket like the rest of my family.
This is the thing you reply on emotion, not reason.
Your narrow minded view that every country in the western world are a bunch of leeches is pretty simplistic. again your not trying to progress but simply dig deeper into your own view of the world.
::) More empty bs from someone who never worked a day in his life.
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::) More empty bs from someone who never worked a day in his life.
Lol wants me to post my tax returns from last year. ROFLMAO.
I was conservative as fuck until I started working people that would never have healtcare in the states. Maybe if you actually socialized with people, that word there ass off and get zero coverage you might have adifferent opinion. Or if you worked with someone that was crippled by their hardass work and was forced to BE A LEECH SUCKER ON BENEFITS.
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Lol wants me to post my tax returns from last year. ROFLMAO.
I was conservative as fuck until I started working people that would never have healtcare in the states. Maybe if you actually socialized with people, that word there ass off and get zero coverage you might have adifferent opinion. Or if you worked with someone that was crippled by their hardass work and was forced to BE A LEECH SUCKER ON BENEFITS.
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Over 85% of the population is covered as it is and many who are not are doing so by choice or are eligble for a govt program in existence already but chose not to sign up for it.
again - you are utterly clueless.
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Over 85% of the population is covered as it is and many who are not are doing so by choice or are eligble for a govt program in existence already but chose not to sign up for it.
again - you are utterly clueless.
Lol 45 million that`s fuck all, christ I`m such a baffoon. Them laser fuckers should just get sick and die than.
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Lol 45 million that`s fuck all, christ I`m such a baffoon. Them laser fuckers should just get sick and die than.
The 45 Million included 20 million illegals and does not include people who lost insurance for a smallperiod of time before getting insurance in a new job. Again - facts and reality on what goes on in this country are not your strong point.
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The 45 Million included 20 million illegals and does not include people who lost insurance for a smallperiod of time before getting insurance in a new job. Again - facts and reality on what goes on in this country are not your strong point.
Only twenty million so much better, wow you really are a saint. Of course they do get some level of care without insurance aware of this. Your finding ways to ignore the fact that this ain`t a issue that affect millions of people. But it is. Just like millions of people have to go on disability for health reasons, you can`t just mark everyone with the same brush.
I ain`t no liberal, so quit acting like I`m some fucking socialist. I`m generally pretty conservative except when economics hurt the health of the people or the Economy.
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Only twenty million so much better, wow you really are a saint. Of course they do get some level of care without insurance aware of this. Your finding ways to ignore the fact that this ain`t a issue that affect millions of people. But it is. Just like millions of people have to go on disability for health reasons, you can`t just mark everyone with the same brush.
I ain`t no liberal, so quit acting like I`m some fucking socialist. I`m generally pretty conservative except when economics hurt the health of the people or the Economy.
No, what i am saying is that we did not have to destroy the existing plan that 85% of the people are ok with for less than 10% who could have been dealt with in other ways.
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No, what i am saying is that we did not have to destroy the existing plan that 85% of the people are ok with for less than 10% who could have been dealt with in other ways.
Agreed but this would never get done due to the politics of it. Other the lower half unite, and fuck shit up, or nothing gets done. You gotta see the damage your partisan politics cause.
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Agreed but this would never get done due to the politics of it. Other the lower half unite, and fuck shit up, or nothing gets done. You gotta see the damage your partisan politics cause.
Possibly - but the economy was far more important at the time than health care, which they spent a year and a half on as opposed to job creation.
now - both suck and obama is about to get mauled in our election next week.
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Possibly - but the economy was far more important at the time than health care, which they spent a year and a half on as opposed to job creation.
now - both suck and obama is about to get mauled in our election next week.
He very well might... Although, you have to admit a lot of those Tea Party types are not going to get the votes of the moderates... They just won't.
Also, if he does get mauled now... Does he get mauled in 2012? So far, no real republican front runner and when Clinton got creamed in 94, it only solidified him in 96.
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He very well might... Although, you have to admit a lot of those Tea Party types are not going to get the votes of the moderates... They just won't.
Also, if he does get mauled now... Does he get mauled in 2012? So far, no real republican front runner and when Clinton got creamed in 94, it only solidified him in 96.
Let's do 333386 math.
Obama won by 6 points in a year tailor made for dems after the bush mess. He did not win vby ten points, he won by 6 points in a year where you had record levels of college morons voting for the first time, "moderates" pissed off about the war, a horrible mccain campaign, a msm in 24/7 kneepad mode for the first black for pres.
By 2012 - obama wont have any of that going for him and still will have a horrible economy as a result of his policies. Is that worth 6 points/ of course it is. the only way I see him winning is if he goes Clinton on us, which he wont. after the election - he is going to meltdown and get even worse.
as for the tea party people - WTF r you talking about?
rubio, Rand Paul, Angle, miller, Buck, etc are all likely to win, not to mention the house races. Have you even looked at RCP lately?
Obama is heading for DISASTEr and its all his own fault.
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Let's do 333386 math.
Obama won by 6 points in a year tailor made for dems after the bush mess. He did not win vby ten points, he won by 6 points in a year where you had record levels of college morons voting for the first time, "moderates" pissed off about the war, a horrible mccain campaign, a msm in 24/7 kneepad mode for the first black for pres.
By 2012 - obama wont have any of that going for him and still will have a horrible economy as a result of his policies. Is that worth 6 points/ of course it is. the only way I see him winning is if he goes Clinton on us, which he wont. after the election - he is going to meltdown and get even worse.
as for the tea party people - WTF r you talking about?
rubio, Rand Paul, Angle, miller, Buck, etc are all likely to win, not to mention the house races. Have you even looked at RCP lately?
Obama is heading for DISASTEr and its all his own fault.
The tea party will win in some states... sure... States that most likely would have gone republican anyway. What I'm saying is that in toss up states, Tea party people will not win.
Let's see how the elections turn out shall we?
I remember a lot of people saying that Obama was going to get stomped in 2008 but that didn't happen either.
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The tea party will win in some states... sure... States that most likely would have gone republican anyway. What I'm saying is that in toss up states, Tea party people will not win.
Let's see how the elections turn out shall we?
I remember a lot of people saying that Obama was going to get stomped in 2008 but that didn't happen either.
Rasmussen was the most accurate in 2008 on that race and is calling for at least a 50 plus gain in the house for the GOP in a week.
Same with almost everyone else. Again - go to RCP - its the best site bar none for this stuff.
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as for the tea party people - WTF r you talking about?
rubio, Rand Paul, Angle, miller, Buck, etc are all likely to win, not to mention the house races. Have you even looked at RCP lately?
Obama is heading for DISASTEr and its all his own fault.
Dude please remember what the name of this thread is. With limited info we can only assume your with this tea party garbage. Tea party neo cons and all this shit that`s gonna kill the republicans. They need to get progressive, and somewhat positive. This young generation got too wreckless with their awakening. However this ain`t a generation you can fuel with paranoia and fear over one black man. Going for scare tactics, and hate campaigns about a guys eating habbits will be doom for the republicans.
And for the record 6 percent is a huge difference. 80 percent of voters don`t change orientation either way.
Republicans are doing well now because this generation, ain`t likely to vote for a `party` they vote for a man for better or worst.
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Dude please remember what the name of this thread is. With limited info we can only assume your with this tea party garbage. Tea party neo cons and all this shit that`s gonna kill the republicans. They need to get progressive, and somewhat positive. This young generation got too wreckless with their awakening. However this ain`t a generation you can fuel with paranoia and fear over one black man. Going for scare tactics, and hate campaigns about a guys eating habbits will be doom for the republicans.
And for the record 6 percent is a huge difference. 80 percent of voters don`t change orientation either way.
Republicans are doing well now because this generation, ain`t likely to vote for a `party` they vote for a man for better or worst.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Are you kidding?
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Ha ha ha ha ha.
Are you kidding?
about what
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about what
The GOP is about to deliver a massive death blow to obama on teusday why? Take a wild guess.
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The GOP is about to deliver a massive death blow to obama on teusday why? Take a wild guess.
Obama folk don`t follow that shit we all know that. It don`t mean near as much as the fear of a palin taking over. It still could be close in 2012. The fact that he has to calm down with no support might help him.
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Obama folk don`t follow that shit we all know that. It don`t mean near as much as the fear of a palin taking over. It still could be close in 2012. The fact that he has to calm down with no support might help him.
Can you translate that into English?
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Can you translate that into English?
You know what the fuck I meant don`t be a wanker.
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Obama folk don`t follow that shit we all know that. It don`t mean near as much as the fear of a palin taking over. It still could be close in 2012. The fact that he has to calm down with no support might help him.
Why do you fear Sarah?
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Bro - I saw your post on the General board - do you agree with the holocaust?
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Bro - I saw your post on the General board - do you agree with the holocaust?
what about.what part.
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what about.what part.
Every part of it?
If you agree with the holocaust - then case closed - you are a piece of shit.
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Every part of it?
If you agree with the holocaust - then case closed - you are a piece of shit.
Where the fuck did I say I agreed with the holocaust.
I don`t agree with it, but I understand it. It`s the most overhyped incident in western history. It`s been 65 years people gotta start seeing the issues with a little more clarity. And taking notice of other shit.
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Where the fuck did I say I agreed with the holocaust.
I don`t agree with it, but I understand it. It`s the most overhyped incident in western history. It`s been 65 years people gotta start seeing the issues with a little more clarity. And taking notice of other shit.
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What do you "understand" in that regard ? ? ?
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What do you "understand" in that regard ? ? ?
A number of things it`s a pretty deep issues. Some might say 6 million deep.
Jews kinda had a history of not intergrating and reluctant to give bussiness to gentiles.
Few germans actually particpated in the act, mostly nutbags that hitler recruited. Orignally they were just gonna deport them to israel but couldn`t cover the cost.
Facsist ideals have a massive amount of appeal. Did create some progress, and sure as hell ain`t dead.
There have been many genoncides in the last 100 years, yet the holocaust is the only one that gets coverage, probally because it`s the only one, that the good guys stopped.
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A number of things it`s a pretty deep issues. Some might say 6 million deep.
Jews kinda had a history of not intergrating and reluctant to give bussiness to gentiles.
Few germans actually particpated in the act, mostly nutbags that hitler recruited. Orignally they were just gonna deport them to israel but couldn`t cover the cost.
Facsist ideals have a massive amount of appeal. Did create some progress, and sure as hell ain`t dead.
There have been many genoncides in the last 100 years, yet the holocaust is the only one that gets coverage, probally because it`s the only one, that the good guys stopped.
The ole scapegoat excuse.
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The ole scapegoat excuse.
What do you mean scapegoat what
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What do you mean scapegoat what
Jews kinda had a history of not intergrating and reluctant to give bussiness to gentiles.
That is a reason to kill off 6 million of them?
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Jews kinda had a history of not intergrating and reluctant to give bussiness to gentiles.
That is a reason to kill off 6 million of them?
This is understand versus agreeing. Didn;`t deserve it but it`s not unexpected, given white americans treatment of blacks, or all the western powers experience with colonalism.
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A number of things it`s a pretty deep issues. Some might say 6 million deep.
Jews kinda had a history of not intergrating and reluctant to give bussiness to gentiles.
Few germans actually particpated in the act, mostly nutbags that hitler recruited. Orignally they were just gonna deport them to israel but couldn`t cover the cost.
Facsist ideals have a massive amount of appeal. Did create some progress, and sure as hell ain`t dead.
There have been many genoncides in the last 100 years, yet the holocaust is the only one that gets coverage, probally because it`s the only one, that the good guys stopped.
How many were killed then?
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This is understand versus agreeing. Didn;`t deserve it but it`s not unexpected, given white americans treatment of blacks, or all the western powers experience with colonalism.
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How many were killed then?
you can`t compare just by numbers the numbers. How many aamericans voted to keep blacks at the bottom for how long.
a few thousand people acting in the holocaust, very few voted to make t happen.
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you can`t compare just by numbers the numbers. How many aamericans voted to keep blacks at the bottom for how long.
a few thousand people acting in the holocaust, very few voted to make t happen.
Dear God - please keep it up. This is getting good.
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you can`t compare just by numbers the numbers. How many aamericans voted to keep blacks at the bottom for how long.
a few thousand people acting in the holocaust, very few voted to make t happen.
Could you tell us how many concentration camps there were in America for blacks and how many of them were stuffed into ovens and made into lamp shades?
I need you to teach me some history.
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Could you tell us how many concentration camps there were in America for blacks and how many of them were stuffed into ovens and made into lamp shades?
I need you to teach me some history.
Well loads were stuffed in boats on the way over, and died along the way millions actually.
The big difference is who`s more evil. A country that is in full knowledge of fucking a group of people over for centuries, and don`t stop until the 1960`s.
Or a country, where a few unelected nutcase criminals, exterminate a group of people without permission from the people nor does it go own for nears as long as slavery.
Lets us not forget america and canada had concentration caps in ww2 aswell :D.
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Well loads were stuffed in boats on the way over, and died along the way millions actually.
The big difference is who`s more evil. A country that is in full knowledge of fucking a group of people over for centuries, and don`t stop until the 1960`s.
Or a country, where a few unelected nutcase criminals, exterminate a group of people without permission from the people nor does it go own for nears as long as slavery.
Lets us not forget america and canada had concentration caps in ww2 aswell :D.
Internment Camps are the same as concentration camps? Are you saying that America's leaders met and designed a plan to commit genocide on blacks, just like Germany's leaders (all of them) did in WWII? Are you saying that most Germans were not caught up in ther furor of 1933 and Hitler was not chosen by the people?
This is interesting.
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Internment Camps are the same as concentration camps? Are you saying that America's leaders met and designed a plan to commit genocide on blacks, just like Germany's leaders (all of them) did in WWII? Are you saying that most Germans were not caught up in ther furor of 1933 and Hitler was not chosen by the people?
This is interesting.
Hitler was chonsen by the people. But it was far more likely they`d get deported. To most germans. Remember this is the same time Americans were reelecting seggratition govs. Also have you seen the pro german stance of the brits and yanks in the 1930`s
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Well loads were stuffed in boats on the way over, and died along the way millions actually.
The big difference is who`s more evil. A country that is in full knowledge of fucking a group of people over for centuries, and don`t stop until the 1960`s.
Or a country, where a few unelected nutcase criminals, exterminate a group of people without permission from the people nor does it go own for nears as long as slavery.
Lets us not forget america and canada had concentration caps in ww2 aswell :D.
Keep it up - this gets better and better.
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Well loads were stuffed in boats on the way over, and died along the way millions actually.
The big difference is who`s more evil. A country that is in full knowledge of fucking a group of people over for centuries, and don`t stop until the 1960`s.
Or a country, where a few unelected nutcase criminals, exterminate a group of people without permission from the people nor does it go own for nears as long as slavery.
Lets us not forget america and canada had concentration caps in ww2 aswell :D.
Anyone who brings up slavery to justify genocide is ridiculous.
You can not compare the two. Was slavery bad? Of course... No one should be subjected to it, but that hasn't stopped people in Asia or Africa from still having slaves to this day.
The white slave trade is still in full effect, but I'm not going to compare it to the holocaust.
How about the shit that was going on in Bosnia? Darfur?
You want to compare those to the holocaust? There will always be loonies, but in the United States of America, they decided that shit was wrong, so they stopped it.
Let's not forget that the area known as Canada had slaves well into the 1830s.
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You guys know I have a pretty strong point, every western culture has fucked severly with one group or another. The holocaust was a scape goat for white people. Sure we fuck people up but we never put them in gas chambers ::)
I`d rather be a jew and take the 50 50 chance of being dead, versus, a native where 90 percent change of dieing of disease, and that 99 percent chance that all my ancestor would be eternally fucked for generations.
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You guys know I have a pretty strong point, every western culture has fucked severly with one group or another. The holocaust was a scape goat for white people. Sure we fuck people up but we never put them in gas chambers ::)
I`d rather be a jew and take the 50 50 chance of being dead, versus, a native where 90 percent change of dieing of disease, and that 99 percent chance that all my ancestor would be eternally fucked for generations.
Keep it up bro - this is classic and will be used for later owning.
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Anyone who brings up slavery to justify genocide is ridiculous.
You can not compare the two. Was slavery bad? Of course... No one should be subjected to it, but that hasn't stopped people in Asia or Africa from still having slaves to this day.
The white slave trade is still in full effect, but I'm not going to compare it to the holocaust.
How about the shit that was going on in Bosnia? Darfur?
You want to compare those to the holocaust? There will always be loonies, but in the United States of America, they decided that shit was wrong, so they stopped it.
Let's not forget that the area known as Canada had slaves well into the 1830s.
For the record what canada did to natives was way the fuck worst than blacks. Molestation rape, and abuse were rampant onto natives. EXTRMELY actually.
Of course Darfur rawanada amerian genocide, japanese war acts were fucking awful that`s my point. Let us not forget the loads of acts that the british french portuguese spanish and belgian did (look up king leopolds plan for congo.
Anyone who brings up slavery to justify genocide is ridiculous.
This is my point. You guys bring up the genocide to scapegoat slavery. That`s the fucking problem.
What bothers you more a few corrupt generals that go crazy and start murdering, or a few million people that see nothing wrong with slavery. Of course you fixed it way to late but you did, we all got crimes.
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Keep it up bro - this is classic and will be used for later owning.
I stand by what I said what happen to natives was fucking awful, you americans would know that if you had any left. :P
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For the record what canada did to natives was way the fuck worst than blacks. Molestation rape, and abuse were rampant onto natives. EXTRMELY actually.
Of course Darfur rawanada amerian genocide, japanese war acts were fucking awful that`s my point. Let us not forget the loads of acts that the british french portuguese spanish and belgian did (look up king leopolds plan for congo.
Anyone who brings up slavery to justify genocide is ridiculous.
This is my point. You guys bring up the genocide to scapegoat slavery. That`s the fucking problem.
What bothers you more a few corrupt generals that go crazy and start murdering, or a few million people that see nothing wrong with slavery. Of course you fixed it way to late but you did, we all got crimes.
Sorry man... I don't see that at all.
You brought up slavery... No one else. It's been 150 years, it's time to let it go.
The holocaust was horrendous, but I'm all for letting that shit go too. Don't forget, but don't sit around and harp on it all the time, it's been 70 years, it's time to move on.
I didn't read your post on the general board, so I can't comment, but I'm definitely thinking that you need to let it go.
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I stand by what I said what happen to natives was fucking awful, you americans would know that if you had any left. :P
The US has quite a few natives... Who get EVERYTHING they want.
See, the Native American is probably the most cared for, given everything group of people out there.
I'm not against it, but that's a fact. Their reservations are sovereign territories where the US government has no say. They pay taxes in the form of a turkey once a year or something and they are educated 100 percent for free.
I'd say the US tries to make up for it's mistakes every day.
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The US has quite a few natives... Who get EVERYTHING they want.
See, the Native American is probably the most cared for, given everything group of people out there.
I'm not against it, but that's a fact. Their reservations are sovereign territories where the US government has no say. They pay taxes in the form of a turkey once a year or something and they are educated 100 percent for free.
I'd say the US tries to make up for it's mistakes every day.
Tu: Have you ever heard about the Pigford matter with the USDA?
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WOE. To assume that the intent of the colonists was to kill off blacks before they got to the mainland and that somehow that was the same as the intent of the Nazis to destroy a WHOLE race via concentration camps is utterly ridiculous.
Maybe you can point out another political state in the 20th or 21st century that has made it its national policy to exterminate a whole race to the extent of the Nazis. If you can, then you can gripe about the remembrance of the holocaust.
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Sorry man... I don't see that at all.
You brought up slavery... No one else. It's been 150 years, it's time to let it go.
The holocaust was horrendous, but I'm all for letting that shit go too. Don't forget, but don't sit around and harp on it all the time, it's been 70 years, it's time to move on.
I didn't read your post on the general board, so I can't comment, but I'm definitely thinking that you need to let it go.
Your not getting the context of the comment. I`m all about letting go. But please do it in the correct order. Segragation ended in the 60`s, the british empire ended in the 60`s, Canada`s poor treatment of native has ended since the 80`s, same with aussie`s and abo`s, .
Nazi germany ended in 45. I not saying the holocaust wasn`t bad. It`s history now, the youngest person that could of helped in the act legally is now 83. My point is in the grand scheme of world history, The holocaust was an expected return to the global norm, for the germans, not an isolated inccident that only speakers of german could do.
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Tu: Have you ever heard about the Pigford matter with the USDA?
I believe I read about that... wasn't that where the black farmers who tried to get loans and couldn't during more "racially tense" times received like 50K per person?
The US is always trying to right itself.
I love how people always want to talk about the Evils of America, yet always come asking the US for help when shit hits the fan. Hell, even Lundgren gets the benefit of being America's neighbor and receiving the benefit of protection that goes along with it along with economic stimulus from US companies.
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Your not getting the context of the comment. I`m all about letting go. But please do it in the correct order. Segragation ended in the 60`s, the british empire ended in the 60`s, Canada`s poor treatment of native has ended since the 80`s, same with aussie`s and abo`s, .
Nazi germany ended in 45. I not saying the holocaust wasn`t bad. It`s history now, the youngest person that could of helped in the act legally is now 83. My point is in the grand scheme of world history, The holocaust was an expected return to the global norm, for the germans, not an isolated inccident that only speakers of german could do.
You really are demented.
"expected return to the global norm" ? ? ? ?
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You guys know I have a pretty strong point, every western culture has fucked severly with one group or another. The holocaust was a scape goat for white people. Sure we fuck people up but we never put them in gas chambers ::)
I`d rather be a jew and take the 50 50 chance of being dead, versus, a native where 90 percent change of dieing of disease, and that 99 percent chance that all my ancestor would be eternally fucked for generations.
haha, you think 90% of north american indians "dieng (ed) of disease?" And why are there ancestors fucked? Please enlighten me....
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WOE. To assume that the intent of the colonists was to kill off blacks before they got to the mainland and that somehow that was the same as the intent of the Nazis to destroy a WHOLE race via concentration camps is utterly ridiculous.
Maybe you can point out another political state in the 20th or 21st century that has made it its national policy to exterminate a whole race to the extent of the Nazis. If you can, then you can gripe about the remembrance of the holocaust.
Read some history books my friend. It wasn`t the official plan to exteriminate the jews it was for them to be removed(assumed deported) from germany. Of course hitler and his generals took things into there own hands. Just look into how hitler recruited himmler(straight sociopath). This is what happens when the mentally ill get power.
You can say all you want the intentions of imperial or slave governments weren`t to fuck people up, but that was the same results again and again over the last few hundred years. Things can only go so far.
Please look up the history of the congo and king leopold, the atlantic slave trade, death of native americans, Armenian genocide, Stalins goulags, Japanese war crimes, how slavery worked before cameras :D, Cecil roads and his conquest against native africans(that one is a little enteraining I must say. And the geneocide that happened after the partion of india.
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Hello AXA. You tried this same exact song and dance about a year and a half ago. Still trying to play the "evil American slavery" bullshit?
Here's a little hint: It was your Muslim brethren that enabled the slave trade and it's the Muslim world that still practices it and refuses to condemn it to this day.
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haha, you think 90% of north american indians "dieng (ed) of disease?" And why are there ancestors fucked? Please enlighten me....
Lol Please goto northern labrador, that`s south of greenland. Rape and molestation were the norm among natives from whites, Priest really had there fun converting those little brown bumed savages. 90 percent is the common number that is agreed on. Not to mention the million that starved because we took there land, or the millions that were bread out of existance due to rape.
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Lol Please goto northern labrador, that`s south of greenland. Rape and molestation were the norm among natives from whites, Priest really had there fun converting those little brown bumed savages. 90 percent is the common number that is agreed on. Not to mention the million that starved because we took there land, or the millions that were bread out of existance due to rape.
Why don't you get off the stolen Indian land that you're living on then? Go back to Iran.
Self-loathing people who piss and moan about the Indian situation while living on stolen Indian land are some of the biggest hypocrites out there.
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Not only that. Nazis were killing not only Jews, but anyone with physical defects and ailmant, homosexuals, anyone who wasn't like them. Of Aryan blood. If they would have won. It would have been just a matter of time before they tried to destroy the Japanese, all Asians and Italians. Somehow, the colonists and slavery are just no where near that lunacy. But, thanks for trying to compare both when common sense should tell you is no where near the same.
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Read some history books my friend. It wasn`t the official plan to exteriminate the jews it was for them to be removed(assumed deported) from germany. Of course hitler and his generals took things into there own hands. Just look into how hitler recruited himmler(straight sociopath). This is what happens when the mentally ill get power.
You can say all you want the intentions of imperial or slave governments weren`t to fuck people up, but that was the same results again and again over the last few hundred years. Things can only go so far.
Please look up the history of the congo and king leopold, the atlantic slave trade, death of native americans, Armenian genocide, Stalins goulags, Japanese war crimes, how slavery worked before cameras :D, Cecil roads and his conquest against native africans(that one is a little enteraining I must say. And the geneocide that happened after the partion of india.
ha ha ha ha - are you freaking kidding?
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Hello AXA. You tried this same exact song and dance about a year and a half ago. Still trying to play the "evil American slavery" bullshit?
Here's a little hint: It was your Muslim brethren that enabled the slave trade and it's the Muslim world that still practices it and refuses to condemn it to this day.
No I`m saying humans are evil it`s our state of mind. we don`t go outright and kill people, but we find ways, to get thing done.
Just a question, but how many Iraquis have died of starvation due to the war. Please due this without quoting how bad Saddam was, for millions they rather have him with peace than you guys with war.
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I believe I read about that... wasn't that where the black farmers who tried to get loans and couldn't during more "racially tense" times received like 50K per person?
The US is always trying to right itself.
I love how people always want to talk about the Evils of America, yet always come asking the US for help when shit hits the fan. Hell, even Lundgren gets the benefit of being America's neighbor and receiving the benefit of protection that goes along with it along with economic stimulus from US companies.
I brought that up to bolster your point that we try to right our wrongs often times, even if it means we get raped $$$ wise in the end.
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Not only that. Nazis were killing not only Jews, but anyone with physical defects and ailmant, homosexuals, anyone who wasn't like them. Of Caucasian blood. If they would have won. It would have been just a matter of time before they tried to destroy the Japanese, all Asians and Italians. Somehow, the colonists and slavery are just no where near that lunacy. But, thanks for trying to compare both when common sense should tell you is no where near the same.
I`m not saying there the same I`m saying there on the same scale. Please just look up what happened in the congo.
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I brought that up to bolster your point that we try to right our wrongs often times, even if it means we get raped $$$ wise in the end.
Yeah man... It kills me when people want to talk about what the US "did do", and don't say shit about what other groups "are STILL doing".
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No I`m saying humans are evil it`s our state of mind. we don`t go outright and kill people, but we find ways, to get thing done.
Just a question, but how many Iraquis have died of starvation due to the war. Please due this without quoting how bad Saddam was, for millions they rather have him with peace than you guys with war.
Starvation? LOL. That's not even close to the main cause of most of the civilian casualties in Iraq. It was sectarian violence fueled by Iranian money. ::)
You are a fucking retard. Why Ron lets you carry on with your 45th gimmick is beyond me.
You jumping all over the place to defend your idiotic point only shows how clueless and brain-dead you are. Jumping from slavery to the Iraq war? Get the fuck out.
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I brought that up to bolster your point that we try to right our wrongs often times, even if it means we get raped $$$ wise in the end.
That`s not my point, you asked how I felt about the holocaust. I feel it`s on par with other acts of people in the past. I don`t give a fuck about anything before 1945. Segregation in the states, and Canada`s treatment of natives bothers me alot more than anything else. Segregation, because it`s effect is totally misunderstood, and misquoted.
Natives because no one gets the fucking details. FYI canada has 10 times more native per capita than the states even though they were in equal proportion before columbus something happened, and it wasn`t on our end.
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No I`m saying humans are evil it`s our state of mind. we don`t go outright and kill people, but we find ways, to get thing done.
Just a question, but how many Iraquis have died of starvation due to the war. Please due this without quoting how bad Saddam was, for millions they rather have him with peace than you guys with war.
Actually, the war was good for the Iraqi people... The sanctions AGAINST Iraq caused more starvation than anything during the war.
If Saddam wasn't such an ass hat and if he actually gave a shit about his own people, then he would have just allowed the UN people in and the sanctions would have been lifted on food embargos and his people wouldn't have starved.
SINCE the war, almost no one has starved, mostly because the US has supplied millions in food aide alone.
Keep trying.
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Starvation? LOL. That's not even close to the main cause of most of the civilian casualties in Iraq. It was sectarian violence fueled by Iranian money. ::)
You are a fucking retard. Why Ron lets you carry on with your 45th gimmick is beyond me.
You jumping all over the place to defend your idiotic point only shows how clueless and brain-dead you are. Jumping from slavery to the Iraq war? Get the fuck out.
And your excusing the situation. Of course Iran was gonna get involved. Chirst, if you didn`t know that you should of stayed the fuck away. If you actually knew people from the region and actually understood how shit works there, you`d get it.
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Actually, the war was good for the Iraqi people... The sanctions AGAINST Iraq caused more starvation than anything during the war.
If Saddam wasn't such an ass hat and if he actually gave a shit about his own people, then he would have just allowed the UN people in and the sanctions would have been lifted on food embargos and his people wouldn't have starved.
SINCE the war, almost no one has starved, mostly because the US has supplied millions in food aide alone.
Keep trying.
Also to note, while I'm not saying people didn't die as a result of those sanctions, the bulk of the evidence regarding the number of deaths comes from Saddam's regime's statistics. Not exactly the most trustworthy of numbers.
And your excusing the situation. Of course Iran was gonna get involved. Chirst, if you didn`t know that you should of stayed the fuck away. If you actually knew people from the region and actually understood how shit works there, you`d get it.
So you're saying it's OK for Iran, a foreign entity, to orchestrate the murders of tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians because they wanted to destabilize the country? Ahmed, your national pride is showing here. I'm almost 100% convinced now that you're yet another ASJ_Chaotic gimmick. :D
Oh, and understood the region? Iran and Iraq spent the better part of two decades embroiled in war. They're not friends by any means. Dipshit.
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Actually, the war was good for the Iraqi people... The sanctions AGAINST Iraq caused more starvation than anything during the war.
If Saddam wasn't such an ass hat and if he actually gave a shit about his own people, then he would have just allowed the UN people in and the sanctions would have been lifted on food embargos and his people wouldn't have starved.
SINCE the war, almost no one has starved, mostly because the US has supplied millions in food aide alone.
Keep trying.
The sanctions were done by the UN so you can`t blame it all on saddam. I`m not saying he`s better, but you gotta understand that Iraq was better off in a lot of ways not all before the invasion. Trying to reason with saddam, is like trying to reason with a wolf it just don`t happen he was a monster, but things could of been done differently, just compared libya to Iraq. If you don`t know anything about Libya plesae do`t fucking comment.
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The sanctions were done by the UN so you can`t blame it all on saddam. I`m not saying he`s better, but you gotta understand that Iraq was better off in a lot of ways not all before the invasion. Trying to reason with saddam, is like trying to reason with a wolf it just don`t happen he was a monster, but things could of been done differently, just compared libya to Iraq. If you don`t know anything about Libya plesae do`t fucking comment.
ha ha ha -keep it up.
Reagan knew how to deal with lybia - take out the kids and the palace.
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So you're saying it's OK for Iran, a foreign entity, to orchestrate the murders of tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians because they wanted to destabilize the country? Ahmed, your national pride is showing here. I'm almost 100% convinced now that you're yet another ASJ_Chaotic gimmick. :D
Oh, and understood the region? Iran and Iraq spent the better part of two decades embroiled in war. They're not friends by any means. Dipshit.
Where the fuck am I saying anything is ok. My whole fucking point is bad shit happens regardless of initial intentions.
Iraq was a powder keg, half the reason the Iran happened was the sunni shite, and kurds isssues. Civil conflict was expected if you knew anything about their history. This is well known.
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The sanctions were done by the UN so you can`t blame it all on saddam. I`m not saying he`s better, but you gotta understand that Iraq was better off in a lot of ways not all before the invasion. Trying to reason with saddam, is like trying to reason with a wolf it just don`t happen he was a monster, but things could of been done differently, just compared libya to Iraq. If you don`t know anything about Libya plesae do`t fucking comment.
If Saddam hadn't attacked Kuwait, and in turn, had listened to the UN people, that shit wouldn't have happened.
Libya? Libya had sanctions too, but their sanctions were not as harsh because the government did not try to take over another sovereign nation.
Don't bring up Libya... You can't compare the two because of the circumstances.
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Where the fuck am I saying anything is ok. My whole fucking point is bad shit happens regardless of initial intentions.
Iraq was a powder keg, half the reason the Iran happened was the sunni shite, and kurds isssues. Civil conflict was expected if you knew anything about their history. This is well known.
Sorry, you just justified Iran financing, training and orchestrating the Shiite death squads who, after AQI, were responsible for the majority of the civilian deaths in Iraq. Funny that you have a problem with the US military killing civilians but there you are justifying the Iranians sticking their nose in it and being responsible for killing 100x more.
Hello, AXA. :D
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Sorry, you just justified Iran financing, training and orchestrating the Shiite death squads who, after AQI, were responsible for the majority of the civilian deaths in Iraq. Funny that you have a problem with the US military killing civilians but there you are justifying the Iranians sticking their nose in it and being responsible for killing 100x more.
Hello, AXA. :D
Your a fucking idiot my friend. I`m not advocating what the Iranians, Im saying that anyone that understood the area knew that shit would happen. Americans seem to pretend like if they create a power vaccum somehow nothing that happens is their fault. You overthrew saddam, and you didn`t think beyond that. You sent a million fucking soldiers how with no pay.
But whatever I`m not getting into this shit, it not what was being discussed. You wanna get into it start a thread about this shit tomorrow.
My point was said again and again, people are fucking evil, they cause bad shit to happen no matter if their in brussels, ottawa, melbourn, bagdag, tehran, beijjing, or berlin. If you can`t understand how bad shit happens don`t comment on it.